Hello sir. I come across this video a year later which helps me as a beginner. I salute you for the fine work you are doing. Especially I look forward to the long video you are going to do on all types of overlay. I'm a fan and I never miss one of your videos.
Now that I will be finishing K35 (with Academy 35 immediately afterward) I can finally start building my troops and the layers around the generals that I have and will know exactly what gear to create. Chalons is today and i will be trying out a 4 varied presets (there is only so much I can do with the limited troops that I have). Yes, I am following up from over a year ago. I always review my homework to refresh my memory and deepen my understanding. Thanks as always.
@@RedEvony Unfortunately, our best opponent knew us well, and me very well (she had been in our alliance and did battlefield together). After I was zeroed and had recovered enough, I was back in the thick of it. However, the combined forces were able to eliminate my strategy of parking next to a building and defending it while I occupied others at a distance. So... after tiring of being force ported (I do not play defense very well) I decided to change my strategy and ported next to the player who was by far the strongest on the map and was using my strategy of park-and-defend to great success. I was no longer being force ported and was able to go back to playing a nerfed version of my style of play. rinrin knew I was not a threat and figured out what I was up to rather quickly. The fight for 2nd was a hard fought one, but we simply were outnumbered and ran out of time. Mistakes on my part in the beginning (getting greedy and getting caught with my troops returning) cost us dearly. At least we had fun and it is great to talk about the match with the enemy after the game in world chat, giving our opponent the well deserved credit that they had earned (and I can be a bit of a proud parent knowing that I had a part in rinrin's development). Thanks for coming along on my journey in Evony and keeping the light burning bright.
Late to the party but this is a great video for where I am right now... and, yes, as a "Mister Geek" 🤓 I do now have a spreadsheet that I can just put in 'March Size, Max Troop Level and March Type and out pop the answers!
I did the math. Your t12 should be 542,750 not 542,500. t13 should be 325,650 not 325,500. t14 or t11 should be 217,100 not 217,000. This video is super helpful since I had no idea about how to properly layer for pvp. I have troops to train. I made it to duke following your prestige and rank video advice. Much appreciated.
Yeah, when I was doing the calculation for my effective march, I left out about 500 troops 😅 I’m glad you found the videos helpful 😊 and well done to making it to Duke 🥳💪
@@RedEvony thank you sir! Haven’t trained the appropriate amount of troops for pvp just yet in the higher tiers so I’m shying away from pvp. Plus is some big players out their. 👀😂 I’ll enjoy battlefield and killing monsters for now.
The math kinda went over my head pretty quick once you started subtracting 40K, 50K x3, then adding 30K to 3 of them (counter), 10K to 6 others, and then fill out the rest with 1K troops. I guess once you've done it a dozen times or more it probably starts to sink in and make more sense and become second nature. I just need to remember the formula. I had to rewatch that part of the video several times before i could start to wrap my head around it. Thank you for the tutorials.
Hey, thanks for the video. I like it but i have one different approach for the protective layers. I would assign 1000 too. I can provide an example. If you send an archer march, they are weak against ground, so you would be adding more cav to protect them, but the reason why you are actually attacking a keep with archers is because the enemy has a lot of cavalry in the first place. So to add a bit move cav will just make them crash a wall of cav and to die before they can encounter or do a significant damage to ground units. Since cav have greater speed they will crush each other first and i dont think they will protect your archers much if you add more. You will just kill them. But if you add 1000 cav for T12-14 then what will happen is that the enemy will spend time getting rid of those. And actually i would say that for the ranged march what will protect them more is the siege that you add as layers, because the only thing that could attack your archers pretty early is the enemy siege, but the enemy siege will have to get rid of your own siege since they attack from the rear first. In summary i think that layers are just useful to make your enemy to waste turns as you move or attack, and by assigning too many troops for other types different than your type of march makes you to reduce your real march size. Regards!
Thank you 🙏 I get the point that you are making, but I feel like you may be overlooking certain things. First off, using the logic you laid out, why would 1K cav troops provide more protection than 10K or 30K cavs? It only stands to reason that the more protective troops, the better, no? Also, if the cavs are crashing against each other, then by definition they are doing their job as a protective layer. Secondly, with our current understanding of the game mechanics, I don’t think you can assume that the enemy’s ground troops will not encounter your cavs until the enemy’s cavs are wiped out first. Again in which case, they will be doing their job of providing protection. Thirdly, as you said, siege engage with siege first. Aside from that, they will not provide any other significant protection for archers. So they can’t function as a protective layer. That being said, there is no absolute certainty when it comes to Evony game mechanics and the layering approach I provided in the video is simplified. You are of course free to modify or adjust your march composition as you see fit or as the situation may require, just ensure that the basic rules of layering are followed 👍
Sorry I failed to mention, I DO agree with the general idea you stated about having too many troops as layers and that taking away from your effective march size. The question now becomes “How much is too many?”. It’s things like this that can make layering complicated 😅🤓. That’s why I felt a simplified approach would be good for everyone to start off with. March optimization can always be done later. Once again, thank you for watching and for the comment 🙏🙏
Thanks for the advice. I didn't know about having bigger layers for attacks the same troop type as your enemy, in this case cavalry. Also I've read in other guides that with regards to Ground troops, you need more of the highest Ground tiers instead of focusing on T12 as mentioned in this video.
Yeah, there are some intricacies when it comes to optimizing your attacking march. But if I included those here, it wouldn’t be simplified 😉 As for the ground troops, more accurately, it’s T13 that should be somewhat increased, followed by T12, then T14. (At least from my experience). Some people like to go heavy on T14s for ground, but that has its own detriments, assuming you have that many T14s to use for attacking.
Hey Aka! I have been referring this to everyone on our alliance for almost a year, so thank you! Also it would be nice to see and updated version of this video with t15s. I know people use different ratios for different troop types when you are high level, so also address that if you can? I would love to see your take on that. Thanks again!
Hi 🙂👋 and thanks for the referrals ☺️🙏 As T15s are still quite rare in the game, except in the upper leagues, there isn’t much clarity on how they behave yet imo. So, I’d likely wait a bit more before I make an updated version to include T15s. But I’ll definitely do it 😉👍
Many thanks for the kind words 🙏 I’m still trying to work out a viable uploading schedule, so please bear with me 🙏🙏. But there’ll be something up at least once a week 👍
I was just going over layering with members in our alliance yesterday and your video mirrored our discussion (without the math). Thank you for crunching the numbers and mentioning that T12 is the key.
@@RedEvony can you help me to find the no. of days it takes to upgrade the keeps at all levels. Keep 19 --> Keep 20 - 17Days What about after that. For me I'm will be starting to upgrade Keep to Lv20, Most of my buildings are at Lv19 only my resources are left so I will upgrade them side by side.
If you check each of the buildings, it should show you how long it’ll take to upgrade. Once you’ve completed one upgrade, it’ll show you the time for the next one. This time will vary for everyone depending on your level of research, any European sub-cities you may have, and a couple other things. So I don’t know of any place other than that where you can check the exact time 🤔
Finally an explanation that makes sense and easy to implement. I assume I would need 2x the t10, t11 and t12 archers to create 2 archer preset marches, correct?
This video is awesome! I still refer to it!! Thank you! Do you have a suggestion for your 4 highest troops? How about a video on ways to increase march size?
Thank you very much ☺️🙏 I’ll take note of the march size video 😇👌 For 4 highest troops, the effectiveness varies, but if your troop tiers are up to t14, you could include some t11 in your march, but not too much 😉
Hi Aka, love the videos. What is your mindset behind using mounted as the protective layer for ranged march? I saw some with ground troop as the protective layer and worked well.
I have watched this video again and often refer to it when building a March or helping someone build a march. What is the best way to make a siege march? What do you suggest for the protective layer? Thank you again for all of your videos.
hello akka i am using T13 siedges along ith my T13 ranges in my range pvp march. and i am getting great easults, like sometimes i am getting zero damaged seidge troops....and my seidge kills much more to what my range troops are supposed to kill.... also many on my server are using same same as me... so i just want to know if range + seidge layering is also good march for attaking march....or a pure range is better....?????? thanks if you still reply to this...
Thank you for your videos! This inspired me and I created a google sheet to do this calculations for me. I wanted to post a screenshot of it here but I can’t attach a screenshot😔
I love you. Also, you sounded just like the tipsy bartender, "And there you have it folks!" If you don't know who he is, go watch any of his videos. At the end you will hear it 😂
👋👋👋 good morning. With 1.5M march (so around 4.5M with 200% buff), how many troops do you suggest to dedicate to support layer? The same 50.000 (30k/10k/10k) or more? Thank you for help😄
What a great video. I was able to develop a spreadsheet to calculate what I needed based on the # troops I can use. I calculated the % based on your numbers. I have a question. I understand to put most of your main troops in T12 and the second lvl in T13. But what about when you get to having T14 troops? Can you make a little more advanced video on this? I am learning so much from you.
I actually mentioned this in the video 😅 Depending on whether your highest tier is T13 or T14, You would typically treat T11s & T14s the same: As the 3rd tier. You can just follow the recommendation in the video for how to fill your 3rd tier 😉👍
Hi Red, thanks for this content! I have some dubts: with K33, so with T13 like best troops, if my troops are more then % on video, especially for Tier1, what is the optimal choice between: 1) respect exactly base % (present in video) 2) put more T13, sacrificing T11 3) put more T12, sacrificing T11 4) put more T12, sacrificing T13 5) put more T13 sacrificing asupport layer (in this case which between T13/T12/T11) 6) put more T12 sacrificing asupport layer (in this case which between T13/T12/T11) In my case I have 1M march and above 520k t13 480k t12 and 250k t11
Hi 🙂👋 The layering shown in the video is meant to be a simplified guide to help you set up your march presets. After that’s done, you are free to adjust your troops as you think best 😇. You can try out different compositions and see what gives you the best results. Like I mentioned in the video, I personally would prefer more T12 than T13. So, give it a try and feel free to adjust afterwards 😉👍
AKA, I have a question with layers in regards to Arctic Barbarians. Mostly, is it possible to be keep lv30 and break the 44.2m power barrier to get points in a LV5AB? Tool march size, research, armor gear, march size buffs? To reinforce not necessarily attack to open the AB?
Would you do me a favour and put everything on percentage? It would be really nice to have it that way too cause you can make adjustments even in lower tiers. And this is the most simple layering guide I have watched. Cheers!
Thanks 😊🙏 Layering can get complicated and my plan here was to simplify it as much as I could. For your top 3 tiers, I believe there are percentages in the video (50%, 30%, 20% of your effective march). Those percentages still hold even if you have lower tiers. As for the distribution within each tier, it can really get tricky at that point. That’s why I didn’t go with percentages there and used a simpler approach. I would recommend you do the same, but if percentages would be better for you, maybe you can start out with something like this (75% main troop type, 14% protective troop type, 10% siege, 1 % for the remaining troop type.). You can apply that distribution within each of your top 3 tiers. Again, I would recommend the approach in the video, but as a starting point, feel free to use this distribution and adjust according to what you’d like 👍
Here's an example of a Cavalry Preset with T14 as the highest troops and how to build it. (This can be used for any troop type/tier.) Start at t1 and go all the way up to your highest tier, adding 1000 troops to every troop type. Add 30,000 T14, T13, and T12 Ground troops (Support Layer) Add 10,000 T14, T13, and. T12 Ranged troops and Siege Machines. (Tertiary support) Then, with how many more troops you can add to the march. Half of the amount with be T14 Cavalry, and with what's left, you split the difference between T13 and t12
Aka, 2 years gone from this video, there are T15 and even T16. Maybe it`s time make new big video about layering for PvP, Arctic Barbarians, BOC, BOG, BOSH, Huns, etc. Absolutely believe there are a lot of things that changed since this video. Thanks in advance.
Yes, you are right. A lot has changed since this video was published. However, a lot also hasn't changed. The majority of Evony players, myself included, don't have T15s yet. Only a handful of players in the game have T16s. So making a new video won't be helpful to many people. However, once I unlock T15s, I will make a new video on this 😉👍 Hopefully that should be in the next few months 🤞
For the most part, yes. But remember that this video was for simplified layering to help provide a simple way for players to set up their attacking layers in a way that works. 😇 My actual marches are a bit more optimized. So feel free to use this layering as a base/foundation, and you can tweak and optimize it as you like 😊
@Red Evony you mentioned other ratios. So in other words, make videos to show the more complex ratios for different kinds of attacks. It would be a good references for some of us to look back on. Thanks
First of all, thank you for this video. It is very informative. Now to my question: If I have T14 troops, can I make the T14 as my second level troops and my T13 as my third level while still keeping T12 as my primary level? Or should it be T12 as my primary, T13 as my secondary and T14 as my third level?
Ideally, you’d want T12 as primary, T13 as secondary, and T14 as the third. There are a few reasons for this, but the most important of them is what I call “Power Economy”. T14 is the strongest of the troop tiers, and also gives your march the most power. But the way the game mechanics works, T14s get killed off very quickly 😅😂 So stacking your march with more T14s increases the power lost in each attack. On the other hand, T12s, though not as strong as T14s in terms of pure stats, are the most efficient troop tier in terms of comparing the amount of kills they get to the power they add to your march. This is something you can verify from any attack report you have. Similar logic applies to T13 vs T14. So that’s why, in most situations, you’d still want T12s as your primary tier 👌 That being said, it’ll still be very important to have T14s in your march. What we are just trying to clarify here is “how much” 😉👍
Thank you. Wonderful explanation. what should be the protective troop type (as cavs are for archer march) for seize march? Or is there a complete different calculation?
Siege doesn’t need a protective layer, as Siege will primarily target siege. They operate a bit differently than the other troop types You will still need layers though 👌
Great video and really simplified. But is the protection layer not too many? I feel like it reduces the size of archers available for damage? What if i use 50%, 30% and 20% as in your explanation and 1000 everything else will i do lesser damage? Hope the 4 hour video on layering comes out soon.
Thank you 😊🙏 I guess it will be most critically affected by your march size. A lot of people have asked similar questions to this, so if possible, skim the comment section of the video and see some of my responses to them. Hopefully that should shed some light of some of your concerns 😊 And no, if you use the split suggested, you will not be doing lesser damage 👌 but feel free if you like to adjust things a bit 😂😂 the 4 hour video likely won’t be coming anytime soon 😜 but depending on how things go, I might make a video on optimized layering.
Hi, could you please give me an answer about: why T12 is king? So, if I have t13 and t14, I also put much size on t12? T12 is always put in a biggest size? thank you.
The simple way to put it is that t12 has the best killing efficiency for the amount of rss need to build them. This is particularly the case for ranged troops. Sorry, the explanation can get a bit long if I were to go through all aspects.
Who is the most powerful general you know from its raw skills itself (not on how you use it) and who are the most powerful alliance among all servers you know?
There is no one powerful general in Evony. You have top tier generals and several of them. Note that these, in most circumstances, will cost money 💵 to get. Also, you have top tier generals for each of the 4 different troops types in Evony👌 Currently, the most successful alliance in Evony competitions in RSP
Your videos are great 👍 aka but one thing that I didn’t understand was ! Why sending so much mount as protective layer … wouldn’t sending so many mount just be killed by oncoming archers … ? Help ( personally I would only send 1k mount as protective cause they will die or am I missing something ? )
Thank you 🙏 Though most people will use an archer march as an all purpose attacking march, the archer march is primarily for killing mounted troops. As such, one really shouldn’t be sending an archer march into a situation where there are a lot of archers. The second thing is that in situations where you are using the archer march as an all purpose march for attacking keeps, there will likely be quite a few ground troops in those keeps, along with archers. The purpose of the protective layer is to protect the attacking archers from the enemy’s ground troops. And a reasonable amount of mounted troops is required to allow the protective layer to function properly. Finally, yes, the mounted troops will likely be killed by the enemy’s archers as they are doing their protective work, but the power lost from the protective layer being killed is considerably small compared to the protection they will be providing. In addition, the protective layer will also be getting kills, so that minimizes the power exchange even more. 👌
@@RedEvony ok I see I will use this in next constapine …. Thanks again aka - I had a dad encounter in bog …. This k35 had over 1m siege t13 … no matter what I could not break his defence …. All other troops were dying but his siege stayed strong power exchange was good but his siege just would not die , in the end had to send mount / ground / siege to kill aka zero him at heavy cost any ideas why his defences was so strong he had William Marshall 3.2m on wall too
@@raajparkash7981 Yeah, try out the preset and see how it works for you 👌 Regarding that K35 situation, I wouldn't be able to say much until I actually have a look at the report. But typically when you are dealing with a player that has that much siege in their keep, you would either have to break that siege down first, or just stick to rallies. Will be too costly to break that kind of player down solo. The best thing to kill that many siege is a siege march, but preferably a siege rally. Once the siege has been cleared down to a reasonable level, then you can proceed as normal. But since siege marches are not something that many players will have until much later (even I haven't finished working on my siege general yet), it would be best to stick to rallying that kind of player 👌
So for starting to train troops how many of each should I have. I’m currently work for level ten and eleven . I have some numbers in my mind but for now I’m not sure. Thank you for your help. By the way good videos what I saw from you. Grüße aus Deutschland
Thanks 😊🙏 At first, you should aim to train enough troops that you will use in your attacking march. Then a little extra to replace some wounded troops when attacking, and that’s it. At this stage, you want to make sure that you can still ghost all of your troops.
I’m going with the strategy of using a debuff general as my assistant general for my archer march. I’m going thinking I should debuff ground troops. What do You think aka?
Hmmm 🤔 Going with a debuff general for assistant is not a bad idea👌 The issue is choosing to debuff ground troops for your archer march 🤔🤔 Ideally, you shouldn’t be sending your archer march into a place that has a lot of ground troops 😅 I guess the ground debuffs wouldn’t hurt to have, but I think probably a debuff general for mounted troops might be a better option
Very nice video. I love the strategy it is straight simple and easy to recreate. Also, going to save people popping buffs too if they have a bigger march size. I do have one question. During svs and battlefield will you be giving up more points though sending 30k cav top three (t12-14) to a keep that has archer in their defensive layers. It's a case by case basis. But I'm wondering if the 30k would take enough ground out so that archer do more damage or would they all die and not taking much ground with them and costing more points because cav die so easily..... Thoughts?
Thank you 🙂🙏 In the scenario you laid out, if the keep that is being attacked has ground, the 30K cavs in the top layers will function as protection for your archers and slow down the enemy’s ground from reaching them. It is likely that the cav layers will be killed by the enemy’s archers. In the illustration I gave, the total power for the 30K layers in T11 - T13 amounts to about 5-6M power only. If you consider that some of the enemy’s ground will be killed as well, the net power exchange from that alone is not bad. Of course, you are free to adjust the amount of troops in your layers as you see fit, but that is entering into the realm of March Optimization, which this video didn’t cover for the sake of simplicity. Hope my answer helps 👍
@@RedEvony absolutely brilliant. Thank you. Makes a lot of sense. I used to do 10k layers all the way down but this makes more sense. That 10k will help buff the top tiers and even out what you will lose of opposite troop type. I'm sure with ground march would be a lot better because most likely they would be ghosting cav. Well said!
Here let me help you, don’t send 30K Cav with this march they won’t kill anything. If your attack is not good enough to zero the keep you don’t throw in troops that won’t give you net points.
You are better off with adding siege if you mix. Look at an attack lost report. Siege kill approximately 20-30% of your archer attack. So you need to engage those troops to keep them off your archers as long as possible.
The premise of your argument is not clear. An “attack lost” is caused by a number of factors: troop count, buffs, debuffs, etc. That is well beyond just layering. Also in relation to your comment on siege, what exactly do you mean by “engage”? because the sample march shown in the video has 10K siege troops in each of the top 3 tiers.
Hi Akka, thank you very much for the effort you put in your videos. Should I assume this mechanism for boss, rally AND pvp? Or JUST pvp? I'm at k20 so I now need to kill monsters and bosses in the 2M-6M Power level.
Hi 🙂👋 The layering setup here is only for PvP, not for bosses. For bosses, you don’t need layers. Just go with your highest tier or best tier of mounted troops 👌
Thank you Aka, for all your videos. I apologize if this was asked and answered but I'm unable to find it. Because I am a real novice on this game could you please confirm if my understanding is correct? In your video you indicate that the protective layer for the ranged are the mounted. For the ranged are the ground and for the mounted are the ranged?
The simplest way to remember it is that the protective layer will end up being the same troop type as the one you are attacking. With ranged troops, you are attacking mounted troops, so your protective layer will be mounted troops. With ground troops, you are attacking ranged troops, so your protective layer will be ranged troops. Like that 😉👌
@@RedEvony quick question. Idk if I got confused about the T12 being King, but does that mean I always use T12 as primary and could use T14 as secondary? Or do I use the same steps but do T14 primary, T13 secondary and T12 as the third?
Technically, you could set your march up either way. But based on current understanding of the game mechanics, you’d be better off in most cases with having T12 as your primary tier. In the same vein, T14 would usually come in as the 3rd tier, with T13 as the secondary tier. That’s the simple answer 🙂👍
Aka do you do a preset for seige? do you attack with siege? should i set up 4 presets for pvp? ground,cav,ranged and seige.and do i unclick the 2 green sub city buttons when doing pvp that links them ?
Siege presets, no, not yet. My alliance isn’t at the point where we can consistently do siege, so the preset isn’t too helpful for me right now. I will do it later once our situation has improved 👌 Ideally, you should have presets for ranged, ground and cavs ready to go. Unlinking your subs will depend on your stage of development. If you don’t have much debuff gear yet, or your subs are not yet particularly helpful on defense, then you can unlink them. Otherwise, keep them linked. For reference, I always have my subs linked. 😉
Hello Dr. Aka.... Do the presets adjust and maintain the same distribution percentages when we put on buffs... or do we have to recalculate everything? Thank you!
Hi 🙂👋 If you are talking about march size buffs, assuming you have already calculated your troops distribution and made your preset, if you then put on the buff, the preset remains the same, and all that changes is your maximum troop capacity. However, if you calculated your distribution with the buff in consideration and made your preset that way, then you will only be able to get the full and complete troop distribution in that preset when you are using the march size buff 👌
@@RedEvony Perfect... Thank you and dually noted. If I understand your response correctly, I will go back and build all marches based on having a maximum march size buff, which should cover me for all buffs... or none at all... again, that is if I understand you correctly. I built an excel spreadsheet based on this video which generates all my march tier numbers for me... I just have to punch in the march size (see the next paragraph for a critical step in determining the most accurate march size....). Having it laid our for me in a matrix really helps me readily see where I need to build troops to completely fill a march, if need be. Combing that with an Troop Build RSS Calculator and I know exactly what I need troop wise... and the RSS I'll need to churn them out. 🤓 There is one point I stumbled across as I was loading a march that I wanted to mention: One should go into their individual presets (with generals in place) and pull their march size from there... again with their preferred and appropriate generals in place. The generals will probably have skills and or buffs which may increase march size beyond your Monarch's listed march size. Don't short yourself out of that extra march size my liege!!! This is Z, Signing out. 😁
Thanks for the simple explanation. The 50K used of the remaining troops is it based on percentage of the effective/initial march size or how? we have cases where the march size is 500k for example so the 50k may seems large with respect to the main tiers troops number. or just its fixed 50k?
The 50K is based on an average of sample march sizes. Ideally, you would want to have your troops spread out as percentages of your effective march size, but that would have made the illustration in video more complicated. If you feel the 50K might be too much for your march and want something simple to follow, then you can reduce it down to 30K spread out as (20K, 5K, 5K) 👌. This is getting more into the topic of march optimization
Thanks ☺️🙏 You should include some mounted in your PvP march. How much you include will depend on the type of march you are building. For example, you would want a bit more mounted in your ranged march than you would in your ground march 👌
First I would like to say Thank You for taking the time to do this video. It seems geared for people like me who are just learning the game. Even though I found your explanation easy to understand and easy to apply, I have a concern about one of the numbers. You say to remove 50,000 troops for the Protective Layer but unfortunately my march size would be dominated by the protective layer because of it's relatively low size. I found others mentioning something similar and your reply was if you think it's too high just lower the number. The problem is - I don't think anything. 😂 I'm too new to know anything. Can you tell me the Protective Layer as a proportion of the march size (pre the 1000 per extra layer)? Another concern I have is as I rise in Keep/Bunker level, these numbers will change causing a really bloated lower tiers. Should I even worry myself with this until I get to a higher level or do I just dismiss the extra troops? As I rise in rank using 1,000 troops out of 40,000 (let's say) seems a waste of resources to keep feeding them. But also seems a waste to train them and then dismiss them later. Any thoughts? Thanks in advance for any reply. If not, I understand; you may be busy. I look forward to more videos. Especially the really complicated ones. 😉
First thing: as you rise in keep size, your march size will also increase (as you upgrade your rally spot and improve your march capacity research). If you manage you lower tiers, you won’t need to worry about bloated lower tiers and 1000 troops for layers won’t be a problem 👌 That being said, if your march size is still very low right now, the first thing you can do is reduce the number going into your layers. Start off with using 500 instead of 1000 each. If that is still too much for your current size, then use 200 instead 👌. This reduction does have some effect on battle mechanics, but you don’t need to worry about that now. The 50K troops was based on the average march size of a sample of players K25 and above. I understand that this would not be suitable for everyone and for simplicity, I avoided putting too many percentages in the video explanation. So to help you out, try this: According to the video, go with a 50:30:20% split of your effective march size for your top 3 tiers. Then within those 3 highest tiers, use 75% for the main troop type, 14% for protective layer, 10% for siege and 1% for the other troop type. Hope that helps 😊👍
Hey Aka👋 What about mounted and ground? Some guide talk to different approach “more heavy”, with different percentage on first and second layer… but is, for t12, always the same (tier 1)? Considering K35 and T14, what have I to push like first tier of a ground/mounted march?
Do you have a video on Reinforcing marches? When reinforcing an unbubbled team mate should I use my pvp preset and add Dmitry as an assist. Or should I place a march of all highest tier troops?
No video yet on reinforcing If you don’t have Dmitry set up, ALWAYS go with your PvP march with layers 👍 I haven’t checked about the possibility of Dmitry as assistant. I’ll look into that. Your normal assistant general will be fine 👌
There are quite a few “Ranking” videos available on RUclips already, if that’s the kind of thing you are looking for. I plan on making a video on the basics of comparing generals, which will be out soon. That should help when you are looking at generals and trying to make comparisons on your own 👌
May i asked, first it's 50K number if troops is around 5% to cover main layer got of march size? Is that will not effected much when the buffs worked less for troops additional Wich excluding from highest buffs we bring?
In my opinion, that level of protection and assistance for your main troop types is justified. Those troops in the 50K won’t benefit from the maximum buffs for the main troop type of your march, but they will still get buffed a bit by the general. So it’s not too bad. Of course, you are free to adjust your march composition if you like and test things out. No problem with that 🙂👍
Thanks aka, i am agree with these idea because i am more likely a practical player, attacking buffs will always higher than defensive and the coats will also still have buffs from research and suits a little actually in scenario, i am still in k31 but i learnt a little from you and thanks!, i will see the results how good these coats will cover my main layer, your contents is good for me to learn lots for this game, i appreciated that
Hi, Is the number of troops deducted from the main troop type the same for any max tier? In your example for T12 this is 50k troops. Is it 50k for T13 and T14 or is it pro rata?
Hi! Very interesting but still have a question...or more 😊 I'M a beginner (5 monts) but now I realise that the game is not just about monsters 😅😅 So, because I thought that if you have big tier you'll get less damages and having a 34 lvl keep I trained t13 archery and t13 cavalery...I went into the battle with only t13 archery and I had a lot of wounds 🥺🥺 So...my question is: why t12 is better than t13? Thank you for the video! 🤗
Hi 👋 The answer for why T12 is king has to do with the battle mechanics of Evony. While T12 is not the strongest tier in terms of power, from observations of battle reports, T12 gets the most amount of kills amongst all the tiers. And since it is lower in power than T13 and T14, the power lost (exchange) is less if you have more T12. One other thing to keep in mind is that T12 is less expensive to heal than T13 or T14. T12 troops are also cheaper to build. Those factors combined make T12 most suited for PvP 👌
Anyone know of a video similar to this in Arabic for one of my alliance members? The in-game translator makes it super difficult for me to explain it to him.
Sorry, no. As a solution, check on the RUclips player when watching a video, there is a caption translation option. You can select the language you there. Not sure if Arabic is an option there, but it’s worth a try
Question..if I am short on troops in my secondary and 3rd tier can I add you xtra in my primary tier to fill my march size? Thanks for the great videos!!
Yes, it’ll still work 👍 If you are making an archer march, for example, all you do is add 1000 troops of the t13 cavs as layers. If you are making a cav march, then the t13 will be part of your top 3 tiers, and you distribute the remaining troop count accordingly amongst the top tier cavs 👌
Yeah, you need to include a bit of siege in your march. The question now becomes: How much? Siege is unique when it comes to PvP. Siege will engage/attack siege first. After that, it will start killing other troops. So essentially, you’d want to have enough siege in your march to keep the opponent’s siege “busy”. Also, even when the opponent doesn’t have any siege, your siege will help with long ranged attacks. Again, the question is how much do you need. The layering guide in the video has siege included in all layers, which I feel is a sufficient amount. Some people might want to add more, or less, that will depend. But you should definitely have some 😉👌
Depends on how many troops the enemy has and what troops they are. If it’s more than what you can clear in one hit, then you might need multiple hits, or you start attacking the enemy’s troop type that is the weakest link. (E.g. cavs first) Your buffs and the enemy’s buff will also influence this 👌
Yes. Imo, it will still work for K36 and upwards. Except for K40. At K40, you’ll start looking at unlocking T15. And there is little to no information on them just yet, so it’s not clear how they will affect the attacking and layering mechanics. Until then, stick with T12 as primary, and be sure to adjust your tiers accordingly in line with your march size as it increases 👍 Note that all layers must include a bit of siege. You can, of course, adjust how much you put in there 😉👌
It depends on how much is a small amount. As a simple suggestion, I’d say you set up assuming t11 as your highest tier. Once done, you can shift some troops from t9 and t10 to accommodate your small amount of t12. That should be alright until you get more t12 🙂👌
To put it simply: In most situations, T12s have a higher killing efficiency. They are also cheaper to build and account for lower power loss when wounded
Does T12 still takes No 1 place even when you have T14s? I am not sure when you made that video but any reference would be great and I am not good at math 😂
Hello sir.
I come across this video a year later which helps me as a beginner. I salute you for the fine work you are doing. Especially I look forward to the long video you are going to do on all types of overlay. I'm a fan and I never miss one of your videos.
Now that I will be finishing K35 (with Academy 35 immediately afterward) I can finally start building my troops and the layers around the generals that I have and will know exactly what gear to create. Chalons is today and i will be trying out a 4 varied presets (there is only so much I can do with the limited troops that I have).
Yes, I am following up from over a year ago. I always review my homework to refresh my memory and deepen my understanding.
Thanks as always.
Wow, Don getting some PvP action! 🥳🥳
Happy to hear that 😁💪
Let me know how it goes 😊
@@RedEvony Unfortunately, our best opponent knew us well, and me very well (she had been in our alliance and did battlefield together). After I was zeroed and had recovered enough, I was back in the thick of it. However, the combined forces were able to eliminate my strategy of parking next to a building and defending it while I occupied others at a distance. So... after tiring of being force ported (I do not play defense very well) I decided to change my strategy and ported next to the player who was by far the strongest on the map and was using my strategy of park-and-defend to great success.
I was no longer being force ported and was able to go back to playing a nerfed version of my style of play. rinrin knew I was not a threat and figured out what I was up to rather quickly.
The fight for 2nd was a hard fought one, but we simply were outnumbered and ran out of time. Mistakes on my part in the beginning (getting greedy and getting caught with my troops returning) cost us dearly.
At least we had fun and it is great to talk about the match with the enemy after the game in world chat, giving our opponent the well deserved credit that they had earned (and I can be a bit of a proud parent knowing that I had a part in rinrin's development).
Thanks for coming along on my journey in Evony and keeping the light burning bright.
Fantastic video that will help me and my young alliance tremendously! Cheers from TGH on 1565!
Late to the party but this is a great video for where I am right now... and, yes, as a "Mister Geek" 🤓 I do now have a spreadsheet that I can just put in 'March Size, Max Troop Level and March Type and out pop the answers!
I did the math. Your t12 should be 542,750 not 542,500. t13 should be 325,650 not 325,500. t14 or t11 should be 217,100 not 217,000. This video is super helpful since I had no idea about how to properly layer for pvp. I have troops to train. I made it to duke following your prestige and rank video advice. Much appreciated.
Yeah, when I was doing the calculation for my effective march, I left out about 500 troops 😅
I’m glad you found the videos helpful 😊 and well done to making it to Duke 🥳💪
@@RedEvony thank you sir! Haven’t trained the appropriate amount of troops for pvp just yet in the higher tiers so I’m shying away from pvp. Plus is some big players out their. 👀😂 I’ll enjoy battlefield and killing monsters for now.
I think that’s fine. 👌
There’s no rush, but try to get into PvP whenever you can.
It’s risky, but it is also one of the fun parts of the game 😇
@@RedEvony I indulged a few times. 😂 I’ll get my troop count up and get better at ghosting before I get more into it.
The math kinda went over my head pretty quick once you started subtracting 40K, 50K x3, then adding 30K to 3 of them (counter), 10K to 6 others, and then fill out the rest with 1K troops. I guess once you've done it a dozen times or more it probably starts to sink in and make more sense and become second nature. I just need to remember the formula. I had to rewatch that part of the video several times before i could start to wrap my head around it. Thank you for the tutorials.
Yeah, it might take a little while for you to get used to it, but once you do, it's pretty straightforward 😁👍
Hey, thanks for the video. I like it but i have one different approach for the protective layers. I would assign 1000 too. I can provide an example. If you send an archer march, they are weak against ground, so you would be adding more cav to protect them, but the reason why you are actually attacking a keep with archers is because the enemy has a lot of cavalry in the first place. So to add a bit move cav will just make them crash a wall of cav and to die before they can encounter or do a significant damage to ground units. Since cav have greater speed they will crush each other first and i dont think they will protect your archers much if you add more. You will just kill them. But if you add 1000 cav for T12-14 then what will happen is that the enemy will spend time getting rid of those. And actually i would say that for the ranged march what will protect them more is the siege that you add as layers, because the only thing that could attack your archers pretty early is the enemy siege, but the enemy siege will have to get rid of your own siege since they attack from the rear first. In summary i think that layers are just useful to make your enemy to waste turns as you move or attack, and by assigning too many troops for other types different than your type of march makes you to reduce your real march size. Regards!
Thank you 🙏
I get the point that you are making, but I feel like you may be overlooking certain things. First off, using the logic you laid out, why would 1K cav troops provide more protection than 10K or 30K cavs? It only stands to reason that the more protective troops, the better, no? Also, if the cavs are crashing against each other, then by definition they are doing their job as a protective layer.
Secondly, with our current understanding of the game mechanics, I don’t think you can assume that the enemy’s ground troops will not encounter your cavs until the enemy’s cavs are wiped out first. Again in which case, they will be doing their job of providing protection.
Thirdly, as you said, siege engage with siege first. Aside from that, they will not provide any other significant protection for archers. So they can’t function as a protective layer.
That being said, there is no absolute certainty when it comes to Evony game mechanics and the layering approach I provided in the video is simplified. You are of course free to modify or adjust your march composition as you see fit or as the situation may require, just ensure that the basic rules of layering are followed 👍
Sorry I failed to mention, I DO agree with the general idea you stated about having too many troops as layers and that taking away from your effective march size. The question now becomes “How much is too many?”.
It’s things like this that can make layering complicated 😅🤓. That’s why I felt a simplified approach would be good for everyone to start off with. March optimization can always be done later.
Once again, thank you for watching and for the comment 🙏🙏
Thanks for the advice. I didn't know about having bigger layers for attacks the same troop type as your enemy, in this case cavalry. Also I've read in other guides that with regards to Ground troops, you need more of the highest Ground tiers instead of focusing on T12 as mentioned in this video.
Yeah, there are some intricacies when it comes to optimizing your attacking march. But if I included those here, it wouldn’t be simplified 😉
As for the ground troops, more accurately, it’s T13 that should be somewhat increased, followed by T12, then T14. (At least from my experience).
Some people like to go heavy on T14s for ground, but that has its own detriments, assuming you have that many T14s to use for attacking.
@@RedEvonyIf you don't mind me asking, what about siege and cav? What percentage philosophy would you go with on these?
Hey Aka! I have been referring this to everyone on our alliance for almost a year, so thank you! Also it would be nice to see and updated version of this video with t15s. I know people use different ratios for different troop types when you are high level, so also address that if you can? I would love to see your take on that. Thanks again!
Hi 🙂👋 and thanks for the referrals ☺️🙏
As T15s are still quite rare in the game, except in the upper leagues, there isn’t much clarity on how they behave yet imo.
So, I’d likely wait a bit more before I make an updated version to include T15s.
But I’ll definitely do it 😉👍
@@RedEvony would it help with the T15 if we sent you battle reports?
Really easy and simple video, thanks mate. Now I desperately waiting your video
Many thanks for the kind words 🙏
I’m still trying to work out a viable uploading schedule, so please bear with me 🙏🙏. But there’ll be something up at least once a week 👍
I was just going over layering with members in our alliance yesterday and your video mirrored our discussion (without the math).
Thank you for crunching the numbers and mentioning that T12 is the key.
Talk about coincidental timing. Thank you and hope the video can be a bit helpful to you and your alliance mates 🙏
thank you my friend :) , please make a video about complicated layers too.
yes would like to see that
I just finished Keep 19 and now I realise how technical this game is!!!
Congrats 🥳🥳 and Yes, there’s a whole lot more to this game 😅😂
Take your time and enjoy yourself as you keep playing 👍
@@RedEvony can you help me to find the no. of days it takes to upgrade the keeps at all levels.
Keep 19 --> Keep 20 - 17Days
What about after that.
For me I'm will be starting to upgrade Keep to Lv20, Most of my buildings are at Lv19 only my resources are left so I will upgrade them side by side.
If you check each of the buildings, it should show you how long it’ll take to upgrade. Once you’ve completed one upgrade, it’ll show you the time for the next one.
This time will vary for everyone depending on your level of research, any European sub-cities you may have, and a couple other things. So I don’t know of any place other than that where you can check the exact time 🤔
Finally an explanation that makes sense and easy to implement. I assume I would need 2x the t10, t11 and t12 archers to create 2 archer preset marches, correct?
Yes, that’s correct 👌😊
This video is awesome! I still refer to it!! Thank you! Do you have a suggestion for your 4 highest troops? How about a video on ways to increase march size?
Thank you very much ☺️🙏
I’ll take note of the march size video 😇👌
For 4 highest troops, the effectiveness varies, but if your troop tiers are up to t14, you could include some t11 in your march, but not too much 😉
Definitely going to have to watch again
You’re more than welcome to 🙂👍
Hi Aka, love the videos. What is your mindset behind using mounted as the protective layer for ranged march? I saw some with ground troop as the protective layer and worked well.
Beautiful and powerful.... thanks buddy
Glad to help 😊👍
I have watched this video again and often refer to it when building a March or helping someone build a march. What is the best way to make a siege march? What do you suggest for the protective layer? Thank you again for all of your videos.
hello akka
i am using T13 siedges along ith my T13 ranges in my range pvp march. and i am getting great easults, like sometimes i am getting zero damaged seidge troops....and my seidge kills much more to what my range troops are supposed to kill....
also many on my server are using same same as me...
so i just want to know if range + seidge layering is also good march for attaking march....or a pure range is better....??????
thanks if you still reply to this...
Thank you for your videos! This inspired me and I created a google sheet to do this calculations for me. I wanted to post a screenshot of it here but I can’t attach a screenshot😔
Yeah, RUclips doesn't all to post screenshots 😅
But glad you found it helpful 😇😇
Hi nice explanation . I have a doubt. . I have lot of t13 archers compared to t12 . Can I know why you suggest to layer more t12 than t13 🙈
I love you.
Also, you sounded just like the tipsy bartender, "And there you have it folks!" If you don't know who he is, go watch any of his videos. At the end you will hear it 😂
😄😄 thanks 😊🙏
I’ll check him out 👌
... Thank you so much for the information...
Glad to help 😊👍
👋👋👋 good morning. With 1.5M march (so around 4.5M with 200% buff), how many troops do you suggest to dedicate to support layer? The same 50.000 (30k/10k/10k) or more? Thank you for help😄
Have anyone tested if this layered archer march would beat same march size consisting of only T13 archers?
What a great video. I was able to develop a spreadsheet to calculate what I needed based on the # troops I can use. I calculated the % based on your numbers. I have a question. I understand to put most of your main troops in T12 and the second lvl in T13. But what about when you get to having T14 troops? Can you make a little more advanced video on this? I am learning so much from you.
I actually mentioned this in the video 😅
Depending on whether your highest tier is T13 or T14, You would typically treat T11s & T14s the same: As the 3rd tier.
You can just follow the recommendation in the video for how to fill your 3rd tier 😉👍
Hi Red, thanks for this content!
I have some dubts: with K33, so with T13 like best troops, if my troops are more then % on video, especially for Tier1, what is the optimal choice between:
1) respect exactly base % (present in video)
2) put more T13, sacrificing T11
3) put more T12, sacrificing T11
4) put more T12, sacrificing T13
5) put more T13 sacrificing asupport layer (in this case which between T13/T12/T11)
6) put more T12 sacrificing asupport layer (in this case which between T13/T12/T11)
In my case I have 1M march and above 520k t13 480k t12 and 250k t11
Hi 🙂👋
The layering shown in the video is meant to be a simplified guide to help you set up your march presets.
After that’s done, you are free to adjust your troops as you think best 😇. You can try out different compositions and see what gives you the best results.
Like I mentioned in the video, I personally would prefer more T12 than T13. So, give it a try and feel free to adjust afterwards 😉👍
7:15 I for one would like to see this hour long video about detailed layering strategies
😂😂
Quite a few people have asked for that
They are ! They just are ! 😂 I started busting out
😂😂 😉👍
Thank you from Brazil
Glad to help 😊👍
AKA, I have a question with layers in regards to Arctic Barbarians. Mostly, is it possible to be keep lv30 and break the 44.2m power barrier to get points in a LV5AB? Tool march size, research, armor gear, march size buffs? To reinforce not necessarily attack to open the AB?
Would you do me a favour and put everything on percentage? It would be really nice to have it that way too cause you can make adjustments even in lower tiers. And this is the most simple layering guide I have watched. Cheers!
Thanks 😊🙏 Layering can get complicated and my plan here was to simplify it as much as I could.
For your top 3 tiers, I believe there are percentages in the video (50%, 30%, 20% of your effective march). Those percentages still hold even if you have lower tiers.
As for the distribution within each tier, it can really get tricky at that point. That’s why I didn’t go with percentages there and used a simpler approach. I would recommend you do the same, but if percentages would be better for you, maybe you can start out with something like this (75% main troop type, 14% protective troop type, 10% siege, 1 % for the remaining troop type.). You can apply that distribution within each of your top 3 tiers.
Again, I would recommend the approach in the video, but as a starting point, feel free to use this distribution and adjust according to what you’d like 👍
@@RedEvony This is great! Thanks Aka! Keep on posting for more guides I love your videos! ♥️
Thanks 😊🙏 Will do 😁💪
Who's still confused 😢
Here's an example of a Cavalry Preset with T14 as the highest troops and how to build it. (This can be used for any troop type/tier.)
Start at t1 and go all the way up to your highest tier, adding 1000 troops to every troop type.
Add 30,000 T14, T13, and T12 Ground troops (Support Layer)
Add 10,000 T14, T13, and. T12 Ranged troops and Siege Machines. (Tertiary support)
Then, with how many more troops you can add to the march. Half of the amount with be T14 Cavalry, and with what's left, you split the difference between T13 and t12
Me 😅
I saw ton of videos about t1 t12 main with layers t2 t3 t4 t5 t6 t7 t8 t9 t10 t11 it's pure mathematics
@@dejandobrodolac8347 Not me having math anxiety though 😩
"They are. They just are" 🤣🤣 Got it
Yup, they are 😁👍
thank you bro now i understand i will get my wings next svs ❤️
Woohoo!! 🥳 Wishing you all the best 👍 Hope you fly high 💪
I think we need the hour long version 😅❤
😂😂 I’ll take note of that 👌
@@RedEvony Thank you! Love your content, it's so helpful 🥰
Thank you, thank you, thank you!!!!!
Glad to help 😊👍
Hello Aka, should we do this same type of layering for Small and Big Siege?
Siege requires a different set up.
I’ll do a video on siege layering sometime soon 👍
A good explanation, thanks my dude.
Glad to help 😊👍
thank you for the easy explanation. This helps
Glad to help 😊👍
Gracias Aka.
😊🙏
Aka, 2 years gone from this video, there are T15 and even T16. Maybe it`s time make new big video about layering for PvP, Arctic Barbarians, BOC, BOG, BOSH, Huns, etc. Absolutely believe there are a lot of things that changed since this video. Thanks in advance.
Yes, you are right. A lot has changed since this video was published. However, a lot also hasn't changed. The majority of Evony players, myself included, don't have T15s yet. Only a handful of players in the game have T16s. So making a new video won't be helpful to many people.
However, once I unlock T15s, I will make a new video on this 😉👍 Hopefully that should be in the next few months 🤞
@@RedEvony Ok, but tell me please do you still use the same set up for pvp 50% of T12, 30% of T13 and 20% of T14?
For the most part, yes.
But remember that this video was for simplified layering to help provide a simple way for players to set up their attacking layers in a way that works. 😇
My actual marches are a bit more optimized. So feel free to use this layering as a base/foundation, and you can tweak and optimize it as you like 😊
Can you make videos showing all the other kind of layering tiers and what they are good for??
By “other kind of layering” do you mean like for other troop types?
@Red Evony you mentioned other ratios. So in other words, make videos to show the more complex ratios for different kinds of attacks. It would be a good references for some of us to look back on. Thanks
Very helpful
First of all, thank you for this video. It is very informative. Now to my question:
If I have T14 troops, can I make the T14 as my second level troops and my T13 as my third level while still keeping T12 as my primary level? Or should it be T12 as my primary, T13 as my secondary and T14 as my third level?
Ideally, you’d want T12 as primary, T13 as secondary, and T14 as the third.
There are a few reasons for this, but the most important of them is what I call “Power Economy”.
T14 is the strongest of the troop tiers, and also gives your march the most power. But the way the game mechanics works, T14s get killed off very quickly 😅😂 So stacking your march with more T14s increases the power lost in each attack.
On the other hand, T12s, though not as strong as T14s in terms of pure stats, are the most efficient troop tier in terms of comparing the amount of kills they get to the power they add to your march. This is something you can verify from any attack report you have.
Similar logic applies to T13 vs T14.
So that’s why, in most situations, you’d still want T12s as your primary tier 👌
That being said, it’ll still be very important to have T14s in your march. What we are just trying to clarify here is “how much” 😉👍
@@RedEvony Thank you for your quick response. You are awesome!
Thank you. Wonderful explanation. what should be the protective troop type (as cavs are for archer march) for seize march? Or is there a complete different calculation?
Siege doesn’t need a protective layer, as Siege will primarily target siege.
They operate a bit differently than the other troop types
You will still need layers though 👌
Great video and really simplified. But is the protection layer not too many? I feel like it reduces the size of archers available for damage? What if i use 50%, 30% and 20% as in your explanation and 1000 everything else will i do lesser damage? Hope the 4 hour video on layering comes out soon.
Thank you 😊🙏
I guess it will be most critically affected by your march size.
A lot of people have asked similar questions to this, so if possible, skim the comment section of the video and see some of my responses to them. Hopefully that should shed some light of some of your concerns 😊
And no, if you use the split suggested, you will not be doing lesser damage 👌 but feel free if you like to adjust things a bit
😂😂 the 4 hour video likely won’t be coming anytime soon 😜 but depending on how things go, I might make a video on optimized layering.
Thank you so much for this info
Happy to help 🙂🙏
you said this was simple, my head hurts XD
Hi, could you please give me an answer about: why T12 is king? So, if I have t13 and t14, I also put much size on t12? T12 is always put in a biggest size? thank you.
The simple way to put it is that t12 has the best killing efficiency for the amount of rss need to build them. This is particularly the case for ranged troops.
Sorry, the explanation can get a bit long if I were to go through all aspects.
Who is the most powerful general you know from its raw skills itself (not on how you use it) and who are the most powerful alliance among all servers you know?
There is no one powerful general in Evony. You have top tier generals and several of them. Note that these, in most circumstances, will cost money 💵 to get.
Also, you have top tier generals for each of the 4 different troops types in Evony👌
Currently, the most successful alliance in Evony competitions in RSP
Your videos are great 👍 aka but one thing that I didn’t understand was ! Why sending so much mount as protective layer … wouldn’t sending so many mount just be killed by oncoming archers … ? Help ( personally I would only send 1k mount as protective cause they will die or am I missing something ? )
Thank you 🙏
Though most people will use an archer march as an all purpose attacking march, the archer march is primarily for killing mounted troops. As such, one really shouldn’t be sending an archer march into a situation where there are a lot of archers.
The second thing is that in situations where you are using the archer march as an all purpose march for attacking keeps, there will likely be quite a few ground troops in those keeps, along with archers. The purpose of the protective layer is to protect the attacking archers from the enemy’s ground troops. And a reasonable amount of mounted troops is required to allow the protective layer to function properly.
Finally, yes, the mounted troops will likely be killed by the enemy’s archers as they are doing their protective work, but the power lost from the protective layer being killed is considerably small compared to the protection they will be providing. In addition, the protective layer will also be getting kills, so that minimizes the power exchange even more. 👌
@@RedEvony ok I see I will use this in next constapine …. Thanks again aka - I had a dad encounter in bog …. This k35 had over 1m siege t13 … no matter what I could not break his defence …. All other troops were dying but his siege stayed strong power exchange was good but his siege just would not die , in the end had to send mount / ground / siege to kill aka zero him at heavy cost any ideas why his defences was so strong he had William Marshall 3.2m on wall too
@@raajparkash7981 Yeah, try out the preset and see how it works for you 👌
Regarding that K35 situation, I wouldn't be able to say much until I actually have a look at the report. But typically when you are dealing with a player that has that much siege in their keep, you would either have to break that siege down first, or just stick to rallies. Will be too costly to break that kind of player down solo.
The best thing to kill that many siege is a siege march, but preferably a siege rally. Once the siege has been cleared down to a reasonable level, then you can proceed as normal. But since siege marches are not something that many players will have until much later (even I haven't finished working on my siege general yet), it would be best to stick to rallying that kind of player 👌
excelente video. gracias
Thank you 🙏
So for starting to train troops how many of each should I have. I’m currently work for level ten and eleven . I have some numbers in my mind but for now I’m not sure. Thank you for your help. By the way good videos what I saw from you. Grüße aus Deutschland
Thanks 😊🙏
At first, you should aim to train enough troops that you will use in your attacking march. Then a little extra to replace some wounded troops when attacking, and that’s it.
At this stage, you want to make sure that you can still ghost all of your troops.
I’m going with the strategy of using a debuff general as my assistant general for my archer march. I’m going thinking I should debuff ground troops. What do You think aka?
Hmmm 🤔
Going with a debuff general for assistant is not a bad idea👌
The issue is choosing to debuff ground troops for your archer march 🤔🤔
Ideally, you shouldn’t be sending your archer march into a place that has a lot of ground troops 😅
I guess the ground debuffs wouldn’t hurt to have, but I think probably a debuff general for mounted troops might be a better option
Very nice video. I love the strategy it is straight simple and easy to recreate. Also, going to save people popping buffs too if they have a bigger march size. I do have one question. During svs and battlefield will you be giving up more points though sending 30k cav top three (t12-14) to a keep that has archer in their defensive layers. It's a case by case basis. But I'm wondering if the 30k would take enough ground out so that archer do more damage or would they all die and not taking much ground with them and costing more points because cav die so easily..... Thoughts?
Thank you 🙂🙏
In the scenario you laid out, if the keep that is being attacked has ground, the 30K cavs in the top layers will function as protection for your archers and slow down the enemy’s ground from reaching them. It is likely that the cav layers will be killed by the enemy’s archers. In the illustration I gave, the total power for the 30K layers in T11 - T13 amounts to about 5-6M power only. If you consider that some of the enemy’s ground will be killed as well, the net power exchange from that alone is not bad.
Of course, you are free to adjust the amount of troops in your layers as you see fit, but that is entering into the realm of March Optimization, which this video didn’t cover for the sake of simplicity.
Hope my answer helps 👍
@@RedEvony absolutely brilliant. Thank you. Makes a lot of sense. I used to do 10k layers all the way down but this makes more sense. That 10k will help buff the top tiers and even out what you will lose of opposite troop type. I'm sure with ground march would be a lot better because most likely they would be ghosting cav. Well said!
Here let me help you, don’t send 30K Cav with this march they won’t kill anything. If your attack is not good enough to zero the keep you don’t throw in troops that won’t give you net points.
You are better off with adding siege if you mix. Look at an attack lost report. Siege kill approximately 20-30% of your archer attack. So you need to engage those troops to keep them off your archers as long as possible.
The premise of your argument is not clear.
An “attack lost” is caused by a number of factors: troop count, buffs, debuffs, etc. That is well beyond just layering.
Also in relation to your comment on siege, what exactly do you mean by “engage”? because the sample march shown in the video has 10K siege troops in each of the top 3 tiers.
Hi Akka, thank you very much for the effort you put in your videos. Should I assume this mechanism for boss, rally AND pvp? Or JUST pvp? I'm at k20 so I now need to kill monsters and bosses in the 2M-6M Power level.
Hi 🙂👋
The layering setup here is only for PvP, not for bosses.
For bosses, you don’t need layers. Just go with your highest tier or best tier of mounted troops 👌
Thank you Aka, for all your videos. I apologize if this was asked and answered but I'm unable to find it. Because I am a real novice on this game could you please confirm if my understanding is correct? In your video you indicate that the protective layer for the ranged are the mounted. For the ranged are the ground and for the mounted are the ranged?
The simplest way to remember it is that the protective layer will end up being the same troop type as the one you are attacking.
With ranged troops, you are attacking mounted troops, so your protective layer will be mounted troops.
With ground troops, you are attacking ranged troops, so your protective layer will be ranged troops.
Like that 😉👌
@@RedEvony thank you 🙏
Great video! I’m looking to make a ground army, any tips on that for the defensive layer portion ??
Thanks 🙂🙏 and glad you found the video helpful ☺️
You can check out by video on building a good defense. You might get some tips there 😉👌
Thanks for this breakdown; looking forward for more information.
Glad to help 🙂🙏
@@RedEvony quick question. Idk if I got confused about the T12 being King, but does that mean I always use T12 as primary and could use T14 as secondary? Or do I use the same steps but do T14 primary, T13 secondary and T12 as the third?
Technically, you could set your march up either way. But based on current understanding of the game mechanics, you’d be better off in most cases with having T12 as your primary tier. In the same vein, T14 would usually come in as the 3rd tier, with T13 as the secondary tier.
That’s the simple answer 🙂👍
@@RedEvony thank you a million times
You are welcome 🙂
Gracias Aka
😊🙏
Aka do you do a preset for seige? do you attack with siege? should i set up 4 presets for pvp? ground,cav,ranged and seige.and do i unclick the 2 green sub city buttons when doing pvp that links them ?
Siege presets, no, not yet. My alliance isn’t at the point where we can consistently do siege, so the preset isn’t too helpful for me right now. I will do it later once our situation has improved 👌
Ideally, you should have presets for ranged, ground and cavs ready to go.
Unlinking your subs will depend on your stage of development. If you don’t have much debuff gear yet, or your subs are not yet particularly helpful on defense, then you can unlink them. Otherwise, keep them linked.
For reference, I always have my subs linked. 😉
7:28 please do it probapely splitted but please do it
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Hello Dr. Aka.... Do the presets adjust and maintain the same distribution percentages when we put on buffs... or do we have to recalculate everything? Thank you!
Hi 🙂👋
If you are talking about march size buffs, assuming you have already calculated your troops distribution and made your preset, if you then put on the buff, the preset remains the same, and all that changes is your maximum troop capacity.
However, if you calculated your distribution with the buff in consideration and made your preset that way, then you will only be able to get the full and complete troop distribution in that preset when you are using the march size buff 👌
@@RedEvony Perfect... Thank you and dually noted. If I understand your response correctly, I will go back and build all marches based on having a maximum march size buff, which should cover me for all buffs... or none at all... again, that is if I understand you correctly.
I built an excel spreadsheet based on this video which generates all my march tier numbers for me... I just have to punch in the march size (see the next paragraph for a critical step in determining the most accurate march size....). Having it laid our for me in a matrix really helps me readily see where I need to build troops to completely fill a march, if need be. Combing that with an Troop Build RSS Calculator and I know exactly what I need troop wise... and the RSS I'll need to churn them out. 🤓
There is one point I stumbled across as I was loading a march that I wanted to mention: One should go into their individual presets (with generals in place) and pull their march size from there... again with their preferred and appropriate generals in place. The generals will probably have skills and or buffs which may increase march size beyond your Monarch's listed march size. Don't short yourself out of that extra march size my liege!!! This is Z, Signing out. 😁
Thanks for the simple explanation. The 50K used of the remaining troops is it based on percentage of the effective/initial march size or how? we have cases where the march size is 500k for example so the 50k may seems large with respect to the main tiers troops number. or just its fixed 50k?
The 50K is based on an average of sample march sizes.
Ideally, you would want to have your troops spread out as percentages of your effective march size, but that would have made the illustration in video more complicated.
If you feel the 50K might be too much for your march and want something simple to follow, then you can reduce it down to 30K spread out as (20K, 5K, 5K) 👌. This is getting more into the topic of march optimization
Aka why you called t12 as king and did t12 archers kill t13 mounted??? waiting for you reply!!
Awesome information as usual, very helpful.
I never include mounted troops in my PVP layers, is that correct?
Thanks ☺️🙏
You should include some mounted in your PvP march. How much you include will depend on the type of march you are building.
For example, you would want a bit more mounted in your ranged march than you would in your ground march 👌
AKA, why T12 is king?
First I would like to say Thank You for taking the time to do this video. It seems geared for people like me who are just learning the game.
Even though I found your explanation easy to understand and easy to apply, I have a concern about one of the numbers. You say to remove 50,000 troops for the Protective Layer but unfortunately my march size would be dominated by the protective layer because of it's relatively low size.
I found others mentioning something similar and your reply was if you think it's too high just lower the number. The problem is - I don't think anything. 😂 I'm too new to know anything. Can you tell me the Protective Layer as a proportion of the march size (pre the 1000 per extra layer)?
Another concern I have is as I rise in Keep/Bunker level, these numbers will change causing a really bloated lower tiers. Should I even worry myself with this until I get to a higher level or do I just dismiss the extra troops? As I rise in rank using 1,000 troops out of 40,000 (let's say) seems a waste of resources to keep feeding them. But also seems a waste to train them and then dismiss them later.
Any thoughts?
Thanks in advance for any reply. If not, I understand; you may be busy. I look forward to more videos. Especially the really complicated ones. 😉
First thing: as you rise in keep size, your march size will also increase (as you upgrade your rally spot and improve your march capacity research). If you manage you lower tiers, you won’t need to worry about bloated lower tiers and 1000 troops for layers won’t be a problem 👌
That being said, if your march size is still very low right now, the first thing you can do is reduce the number going into your layers. Start off with using 500 instead of 1000 each. If that is still too much for your current size, then use 200 instead 👌. This reduction does have some effect on battle mechanics, but you don’t need to worry about that now.
The 50K troops was based on the average march size of a sample of players K25 and above. I understand that this would not be suitable for everyone and for simplicity, I avoided putting too many percentages in the video explanation.
So to help you out, try this: According to the video, go with a 50:30:20% split of your effective march size for your top 3 tiers. Then within those 3 highest tiers, use 75% for the main troop type, 14% for protective layer, 10% for siege and 1% for the other troop type.
Hope that helps 😊👍
Hey Aka👋 What about mounted and ground? Some guide talk to different approach “more heavy”, with different percentage on first and second layer… but is, for t12, always the same (tier 1)?
Considering K35 and T14, what have I to push like first tier of a ground/mounted march?
Do you have a video on Reinforcing marches? When reinforcing an unbubbled team mate should I use my pvp preset and add Dmitry as an assist. Or should I place a march of all highest tier troops?
No video yet on reinforcing
If you don’t have Dmitry set up, ALWAYS go with your PvP march with layers 👍
I haven’t checked about the possibility of Dmitry as assistant. I’ll look into that. Your normal assistant general will be fine 👌
Great guide mate
Many thanks ☺️🙏
Need not we are supposed to use 10% top seize?
If you mean using siege, there should be some siege included in the march, yes. Whether that is up to 10% will depend on the person setting the march.
Can you make a Video On some Range Generals.. Minamoto, Elektra, Princess Kaguya and Thutmote III, Which one is better.. Please
There are quite a few “Ranking” videos available on RUclips already, if that’s the kind of thing you are looking for.
I plan on making a video on the basics of comparing generals, which will be out soon. That should help when you are looking at generals and trying to make comparisons on your own 👌
Thanks aka... love sikhni..
Thanks 😊 🙏
How is T13 your second highest (Secondary)?..or highest tier is not the from top to bottom?
What is the best strategy when you have 2 bullies on your server
May i asked, first it's 50K number if troops is around 5% to cover main layer got of march size? Is that will not effected much when the buffs worked less for troops additional Wich excluding from highest buffs we bring?
In my opinion, that level of protection and assistance for your main troop types is justified.
Those troops in the 50K won’t benefit from the maximum buffs for the main troop type of your march, but they will still get buffed a bit by the general. So it’s not too bad.
Of course, you are free to adjust your march composition if you like and test things out. No problem with that 🙂👍
Thanks aka, i am agree with these idea because i am more likely a practical player, attacking buffs will always higher than defensive and the coats will also still have buffs from research and suits a little actually in scenario, i am still in k31 but i learnt a little from you and thanks!, i will see the results how good these coats will cover my main layer, your contents is good for me to learn lots for this game, i appreciated that
Hi,
Is the number of troops deducted from the main troop type the same for any max tier? In your example for T12 this is 50k troops. Is it 50k for T13 and T14 or is it pro rata?
50K flat. Better to keep it simple that way 😉👍
Hi best one!!! What troops is it best to use to keep the time on the enemy temple running? 5M of what??? 🥷🙏
5M of any troop. It doesn’t matter the troop 😉👍
For example, if your general’s power is 5M, you can send that general with just 1 troop 😂👌
Why are T12's the main?
And if a wanted attack with Calvary ? Is the same ? I hear is not the same
Yeah, it is a bit different.
You could still use the preset shown here to start off with if you wanted to, and then optimize later
thanks mate
Fantastic... thanks
Thanks 🙏 Hope you found it helpful
Hi! Very interesting but still have a question...or more 😊
I'M a beginner (5 monts) but now I realise that the game is not just about monsters 😅😅 So, because I thought that if you have big tier you'll get less damages and having a 34 lvl keep I trained t13 archery and t13 cavalery...I went into the battle with only t13 archery and I had a lot of wounds 🥺🥺
So...my question is: why t12 is better than t13?
Thank you for the video! 🤗
Hi 👋
The answer for why T12 is king has to do with the battle mechanics of Evony.
While T12 is not the strongest tier in terms of power, from observations of battle reports, T12 gets the most amount of kills amongst all the tiers. And since it is lower in power than T13 and T14, the power lost (exchange) is less if you have more T12.
One other thing to keep in mind is that T12 is less expensive to heal than T13 or T14. T12 troops are also cheaper to build.
Those factors combined make T12 most suited for PvP 👌
@@RedEvony thank you very much 😊🤗
Anyone know of a video similar to this in Arabic for one of my alliance members? The in-game translator makes it super difficult for me to explain it to him.
Sorry, no.
As a solution, check on the RUclips player when watching a video, there is a caption translation option. You can select the language you there.
Not sure if Arabic is an option there, but it’s worth a try
Cool, I’ll tell him to try that. Thanks for responding. ☺️
Question..if I am short on troops in my secondary and 3rd tier can I add you xtra in my primary tier to fill my march size? Thanks for the great videos!!
Thank you 🙏, and YES, you can.
Depending on the tiers that you have, it’ll affect the power exchange a bit, but you’d still be good to go 👍
What if we don’t have t13 yet
Then go with your highest fier troops
If I have t13 cavalry and only up to t12 of the other troop types, will this still work? Thank you very much.
Yes, it’ll still work 👍
If you are making an archer march, for example, all you do is add 1000 troops of the t13 cavs as layers.
If you are making a cav march, then the t13 will be part of your top 3 tiers, and you distribute the remaining troop count accordingly amongst the top tier cavs 👌
What about the siege in the march?!! I see a lot of players layering siege to their march, does this have an effect on pvp?!!!
Yeah, you need to include a bit of siege in your march. The question now becomes: How much?
Siege is unique when it comes to PvP. Siege will engage/attack siege first. After that, it will start killing other troops. So essentially, you’d want to have enough siege in your march to keep the opponent’s siege “busy”.
Also, even when the opponent doesn’t have any siege, your siege will help with long ranged attacks.
Again, the question is how much do you need.
The layering guide in the video has siege included in all layers, which I feel is a sufficient amount. Some people might want to add more, or less, that will depend. But you should definitely have some 😉👌
At 2:00 you said you're taking out 3 from T13. What are you exactly taking out? I didn't quite understand that part
That’s for you to calculate how many tiers you’d have in your bottom layers 👌
What to do if enemy has mixed troops?
Depends on how many troops the enemy has and what troops they are.
If it’s more than what you can clear in one hit, then you might need multiple hits, or you start attacking the enemy’s troop type that is the weakest link. (E.g. cavs first)
Your buffs and the enemy’s buff will also influence this 👌
Does going heavy on T12 still work for K36 and above? If not, what T14 layering do you recommend (with or without siege)?
Yes. Imo, it will still work for K36 and upwards. Except for K40.
At K40, you’ll start looking at unlocking T15. And there is little to no information on them just yet, so it’s not clear how they will affect the attacking and layering mechanics.
Until then, stick with T12 as primary, and be sure to adjust your tiers accordingly in line with your march size as it increases 👍
Note that all layers must include a bit of siege. You can, of course, adjust how much you put in there 😉👌
Thanks
Happy to help 🙂🙏
U just got a sub
Woohoo!! 🥳🙏
What about t14 , should be put t12 as a primary as well
Simple answer: Yes.
T12 is King 🙂👍
@@RedEvony thank you I’m new still learning, great content my friend 🙏
Glad to help 😊👍
Question! I only have a small amount of T12 troops in Archers and Mounted… should I just ignore them and start with T11?
It depends on how much is a small amount.
As a simple suggestion, I’d say you set up assuming t11 as your highest tier. Once done, you can shift some troops from t9 and t10 to accommodate your small amount of t12.
That should be alright until you get more t12 🙂👌
Hello I have a question. Why are the T12’s tier 1 and not your T13 range troops? Given that T13 are stronger.
To put it simply: In most situations, T12s have a higher killing efficiency.
They are also cheaper to build and account for lower power loss when wounded
Does T12 still takes No 1 place even when you have T14s? I am not sure when you made that video but any reference would be great and I am not good at math 😂
Yes. T12 is King
Also, I believe I referenced T14s in the video 😉
And don’t worry about the math, you are not alone 😄
Make that hour long video about layering!!!!!!!
Hahahaha!!! 😂 I knew someone was gonna ask for that!! 🤣🤣
It needs to be done 😈😈