This parenting could've had two outcomes. - 0.01 % Max Verstappen - 99.99 % a person who kills his father with an axe at night. Jos is really, really lucky.
I dont like this shit but tbh do you make a guy like verstappen by not being strict and extreme. I know there are some out there who can but most have the mad back story that molded them as a pro/person. A harsh reality of becoming obsessed and great
Jos "failed" for what...EIGHT SEASONS in Formula One? That's a hell of a long time to survive at the top of the sport on just talent. Nicolas Latifi lasted 3 seasons in F1, only because his billionaire father bankrolled the team. Max said he wanted to become the World Drivers Champion, Jos made him do what it takes to become WDC, that's called being a successful parent. That's why Max adores his father.
honestly, the worst isn't even seeing Max sharing his trauma probably not even realizing that what his father did is not normal,, it's seeing his dad talk so openly and shamelessly about it with a smile on his face.
@@motorsportfanboy7769When max was 4 he was crying next to a karting track becouse he also wanted to drive. Jos always said if you don’t want to drive it’s totally okey but if you do, and you have the ambition to become a f1 driver you have to go all in. And so he became. Yes it was harsch sometimes, and yes maybe some times unnecessarily. But I am sure that max is really thankfully for what all jos sacrificed for max. Racing in his early years costed jos a fortune
@@hoineenietjij3331 yes when Max was FOUR YEARS OLD he said he wants to be in the car vroom vroom go fast, so therefore the decades of abuse and torment that followed by Jos is totally justified. Great take.
Dont think so, that usually comes from parents neglecting their children. I think once Max started to win, he realised why his dad was so tough on him. Who doesnt like to win?
@@MyPopcornplayer Well, winning is certainly not something I would base my whole being on. Why? Because I had different parents. My point was, it is a miracle that Max remained a stable person (as far as I can tell). Remember that he also had a few years in which he barely won anything, during Alpha Tauri and in the first years of RBR, because of Mercedes dominance.
@@ronaldderooij1774 He is talking about his Go-karting days not about his early f1 career. In f1 finishing in the top 10 is a very big deal and his dad cannot complain as he has only scored 17 points in his entire f1 career
People here in the comment section are so quick to jump to conclusions. Granted, Jos definitely has anger issues, but what most people are forgetting is that Jos poured everything he had into Max's career from age 4 onward. He wasn't that rich and needed sponsors. He was doing everything when it comes to planning, maintenance, etc. He had to drive long distances to for instance Italy because Max had a race there. Jos sacrificed a lot for Max because Max really wanted to be a racer. Jos didn't want to buy Max a kart at age 4 because it would have to be replaced in 1 or 2 years because it would be too small. But Max really wanted a kart so Jos bought him one at age 4. Since this sport is something different than for instance soccer, Jos had to do a lot for Max and in return he demanded that Max would take racing very seriously and that he would continously try to improve. I think that's a fair demand from Jos towards Max. Kicking him out the car at the fuel station seems a bit much though, but I have no idea how much of a brat Max possibly was at that age :P
@@Benny_000Umm.. Lewis’s dad put the same work in for his son too. His financial condition were probably even worse + everything’s automatically much harder when you’re black. But he wasn’t harsh like Jos. And you don’t get to demand perfection from your kids just because they are your kids. You chose to have them. They owe you nothing. Nothing justifies Jos’ behaviour towards Max. That boy has spent his entire life being told he’s not good enough that he’s not worthy of love if he’s not winning.
It’s genuinely heartbreaking to see him so casually explain things that are genuinely not normal. His dad is a dickhead, and max is a champion in SPITE of his dad, not because of.
If this all was so hearthbreaking and traumatizing, do you think Max would sit face to face with his dad in all these interviews, bot laughing about all the things Jos did? They both know you don’t become what he is without the toughness. Some of the methods might have been extreme, but from the stories Jos never physically abused his child and he raised a world champion that is a pure winner who still loves his dad from as far as we can see. Or does it look like he hates his father to you? Most abused children hate their parents.
@@ct0332He laughs because Jos behaviour has been normalised to him. Abused people don’t always see the truth in the abuse and remain shackled to their abuser
im sure he does, there's just no point in dwelling on the past. this is the best way to move on, and this attitude is imo more improtant to his success than whatever his dad pushed him to do.
If he is, he is, if he isn't, he isn't. What the worst thing anyone can do in this kind of situation is trying to forcefully convince him that he was, in fact, traumatized. Convincing a person who doesn't think they've been traumatized that they have been, can literally retroactively traumatize that person.
To everyone thinking this parenting style works/children these days are soft: For every max verstappen in the world, there's a million who didn't make it. A million who committed suicide or have a boatload if problems. Jos got lucky. You did too, but others aren't so lucky.
My dad really liked to get mad at me for the slightest mistakes and fails so when I was like 7 I just ended up isolating myself from the world as much as possible since when I did nothing there was nothing for him to be mad about at least So yeah, not a great approach and it is *slightly* annoying how people defend child abuse because "it worked"
I’d also like to add: there’s plenty of Kobe Bryant’s (kids whose parents weren’t so draconian, and their drive was innate) that ended up becoming just as legendary as the Max Verstappen’s, without the extra child abuse (Kobe and the Parents beefed later on, but they didn’t ride on him like Jos did). So what Jos did was not only selfish and dangerous, but also quite likely unnecessary.
Absolutely agree, this is spot on. As an example of other approach, highly recommend autobiography by Jenson Button. His relations with father were great
The more I learn about Jos, the more I dislike him and the more I like Max. That he managed to come through that BS and be so even-tempered and functional speaks to his innate quality.
Max is more of a man than most guys like you. I saw a man the other day, he was “transgender” and taking hormones, he got a medical condition from it and says it’s “triggering” to go to the doctor. Boys need to be beat up otherwise they turn like this. I was usually beat by my mom, excessively sometimes, I also suffered severe depression in my teen years but the idea that I might be a woman never crossed me.
@@lizzy341 The memories that Max mentioned are stuck in his head forever. He will never forget his father’s violent nature. He talks about it in a way that’s funny, but that doesn’t mean we have to ignore the abuse. Sure, some parts made me laugh, but there were other moments that are worrying. Somebody might have abused you Lizzy. Joking about it might be a good way to talk about it, but you also must condemn that sort of behavior.
Well you clearly see he has no trauma, a typical Dutch tough love upbringing prepares you for the real world unlike the zillion of snowflakes we have nowadays. In my world kids with their mommy and daddy as their best friends not preparing them for the real world is the child abuse. Lewis complained about missing arm around his shoulder, Lewis spends hours at the psychotherapist as he says himself, you worry about the wrong people, accept different cultures, that you don't like Dutch culture is your problem. If you wanna pretend you family are only angels than that fine with me but if you think we believe it ? bad news not gonna happen
Hmm plenty of woke idiots in here who don’t know what they are talking about.. gaurentee they all support a certain woke princess Ironically all of these people are woke Lewis fans.. but Lewis is literally a celebrity victim 😂 Spends his entire life talking about oppression when he was on mclarens pay roll from being a small boy 😂 Ultimate pathetic victim complex Meanwhile verstappen wears everything on his sleeve and dosent complain or virtue signal Some people are absolutely brain washed 😂
oh absolutely he just thinks they’re slightly weird childhood stories because like…you grow up and that’s all you know so you think it’s normal. theres’s a quote “when you’re born in a burning house, you think the whole world is burning.” and i think that explains max’s whole kinda…attitude to his childhood, he’s just used to the burn of the fire so it’s nothing to him.
He knows, to an extent at least. He just isn't afraid to tell his truth which is kinda amazing. The abuse is noticeable to a kid. You know you are treated differently so an unconscious awareness is always there. Narcissism survivers dealing with it, always come out confident in their authenticity with strong boundaries. Plus they are skilled communicators like Max is. Especially when they face or have faced their demons. Max is a healing journey in progress and it's beautiful to see him put hit father on the spot and ground in his own self, reclaiming those inner childhood parts.. Jos hasn't been on the track as much as he used to. There's a distance growing between them. I've noticed Max giving his dad the cold shoulder even when jos was there. Max is showing tremendous growth in his character, one you can only make with a certain active awareness. And if time doesn't do it, having a kid of your own will sure as hell mirror unhealed hurt back. So yeah he knows and he is coping like the champ he is.
He let Checo moved by himself to Germany at the age of 14 without even knowing the Language at all & was having to fend for himself, basically NO Adult Supervision, was Living above a Pub & did NO School…
@@Mandykiss4500 But that was basically Checo's will that got him there. Checo the kid made it happen for himself - he called teams, he emailed them, he racked up the phone bills, and he found himself a sponsor. What do you do when your kid is smart and driven enough to do that on his own and actually found himself a team that would take him? You'd figure out that the kid is probably smart enough to live on his own and take the opportunity to see if the talent is there. It's even more amazing when you realize Perez Snr is a race car mechanic and not a rich businessman. Checo always describes his childhood as "tiring" (because they had to drive to these races) but "so happy" (because they saw it as a bonding experience with their dad). It's in stark contrast to Max's.
It is very well documented how abusive Jos was and is. An angry man. Wants to live vicariously through Max. His approach worked, but it’s not the only approach and a sad one at that.
he's very lucky max persevered. the kind of treatment jos was giving him could've broken a lot of children. i find it ridiculous he's being praised because it "worked". he's an awful man. many people who know max personally say he's very like his mother and is quite a gentle person. i'm glad he picked up those traits in his personal life
@@ronweasley5445 seeing the way he treats Penelope makes me happy. Seems much kinder and gentler than his upbringing. I was worried the cycle may continue, but hopefully Max adopts a different perspective and approach. Jos is a POS.
@@ronweasley5445 to be honest, alot of peopel who were abused are less likely to treat their children worse since theyve experienced how much bad parenting hurts. but it could also go to the other extreme and end up with people letting out their trauma on their children so yeah
Yes. Goes to show how important having a strict father figure AND a loving mother are. I was raised with just my father and brothers. I have serious issues with empathy and emotions because of it.
@Andrew_Tz Yah. I have empathy for others. But I really struggle to show it. I was always tought that it was weak. I was always made fun of if I "acted like a girl" and showed emotion. Now my dad and brothers wonder why I hate children, hate dogs, hate women and hate emotions in general. I wasn't born that way, they made me that way. Because everytime I think about showing my true emotions, "which I actually do have btw", I get a small dose of PTSD from my childhood to immediately shut that shit down.
I also think it’s kind of telling how involved Jos is in interviews like this. Rarely remember seeing Hamiltons dad so often involved in interviews. Like he really is one of those sad parents living vicariously through the success of their children. He’s loving the limelight of success which he never obtained for himself.
that’s on display every race weekend when we see shots of him in the red bull garage. just a small man. I’m not the biggest max fan - we can all see his character flaws - but considering the obvious abuse he was subject to it’s remarkably he’s as relatively normal as he is.
i mean, from what i know anthony was a lot more involved(he was also lewis's manager) but in 2011 lewis basically dropped him as a manager. it took quite a few years until they reconciled, 2011 is also one of the worst years of lewis performance wise. of course anthony was nowhere near jos but a level of control was also present.
The thing is, Jos is an exceptionally talented driver in his own right. Things didn’t pan out the way they could’ve but he absolutely had the ability to be at the top of the sport The way he’s raised Max is just disgusting. I really dislike Max’s on track aggression and selfishness, but as others have pointed out, that he is as well adjusted as he is is honestly remarkable and a real testament to his character. This video has given me a new level of respect and empathy towards him tbh
'I was winning but it wasn't enough" 😢 It does make me think about the interview Max had with Steve Jones where Steve said "does your girlfriend address you as double World Champion Max" and he smiled and said "no, her Dad is a 3 times World Champion so I doubt she's impressed by that". I hadn't realised how much of an impact Jos still had on him.
It’s not that difficult. She points out how it never was enough for Jos, no matter what Max achieved. Then she recalls the interview where he doubts that Kelly Piquet is impressed with him being a two time world champ, because her dad is a triple champ. He can’t believe that somebody be impressed by ‘only’ having become world champion twice. …Now I’ll leave it up to you if you agree with her that he’s been scarred so badly that no achievement in F1 will ever be enough to make people happy/proud of him, if it’s his humor or if he’s just being modest.
Just... wow. I mean his dad did raised one of the best F1 drivers, but that was harsh no less. Probably why Max has such tenacious drive, but I see other F1 champions dad who can be supportive so this definitely isn't the only way to do it.
Having a harsh parenting style isn't the same as not being supportive. Not the way I would do it, but he did help him at every stage even building basically a go-kart factory for him.
@@dumbllama8495 Also Anthony had a semi reason to be "all on nothing" attitude with Lewis. He had to take up like 3-4 extra jobs to pay for Lewis karting didn't he? If lewis didn't get picked up by a program what else could Anthony do? He didn't know anyone in F1 nor racing nor the money to get to know them.
The one with Coulthard is so uncomfortable holy shit. The way Jos and Max are laughing about it and talking about it in a casual way whilst David just has a death smile on and is just like ‘tf’
It's actually a testament to how good of a person max is that he's turned out how he has and nothing like his dad, because his dad was an abusive bully.
@@faramund9865 that is very normal temper for sports being fair. Modern F1 is just very clean and sanitized. Look back in 90s and Max's temper looks mild in comparison to the inter team and inter driver rivalries
@@faramund9865 people who know him from off the tracks say he's actually different from what people expect. Especially, he's very polite and accessible.
No wonder Max had such an "attitude" in his early days in F1. The amount of pressure he must have had from his male parent (can't call him a "father") to be come a World Champion must have been immense. Which is probably why after the 1st championship, he got a huge weight off his chest and now just drives without really caring for more championships.
I keep coming back to this and just looking at the baffled and slightly horrified expressions on everyone's faces as Max tells these stories. I wonder if he notices that and if it gets to him that he's all "haha that's so funny, right?" and everyone else is just "what the fuck???" Like Daniel's smile totally freezes on his face when Max says Jos went at a guy with a fork. Idk I make jokes about traumatic relationships I've had, too, so I really relate to him laughing it off while everyone else is just sitting there, flabbergasted.
People keep saying that it's because of all these things that his Dad did to him that he is now the best - " diamonds are forged under pressure " kind of philosophy - yes, exactly, pressure, this was not pressure, this was abuse, it's a very fine line don't overlook it.
Definitely. This was painful to watch. From Max’s stories, it seems that he (as a child) was more mature that Jos. His father didn’t even have the maturity to listen and talk to him. I’m not even the biggest fan of Max in the race lol. He was raised to win so it probably explains his actions in the race. However I’ve seen clips of him around children and he’s warm and welcoming. Children seem to genuinely love him. Of course I dont know Max personally so i cant say much. But I think he would be a wonderful father figure - or he already is tbh. Someone he never had as a kid. I hope he’s healing.
@@suave-alpaca8412 I absolutely agree with you, I'm also not that big of a fan because I don't really like the way he acts sometimes but after seeing all these interviews I understand where he's coming from and I really hope he breaks the generational trauma and becomes a great dad one day :)
@@Chicken_cocknballsoup7376 No, THIS is not what it takes. There are lots of succesful people who didn't have to go through this and lots of unsuccessful people who did. Max already had a leg up by having a father who competed in F1.
@@issahgyandi3365 yes, but it mostly works. Look at the difference between Asian parenting and western parenting for example. One culture focuses harshly on education, uses physical punishments and scolds their children to be better at every field and as those children grow up and find success, they appreciate their parents and look after them until they die. In contrast to that, lots of western kids now can’t even learn anything because of attention span problems, get into drugs, get depressed etc. All because of different parenting
@@issahgyandi3365 Yeah, you're right buddy. I'm from a hardcore Asian household and that shit does NOT help lol. Every bit of success I've gotten is not because of my family, but despite of the shit they pulled off on me.
To anyone defending his father, Max's case is the exception. So many "dedicated" fathers have ruined their son's lives trying to chase the dream they lost. Max is a generational talent, perhaps the best ever. His father being terrible only hurt him, never helped him.
He's the best driver of his generation, but 'talent' has very little to do with it. He is arguably the most dedicated racer in F1, ever. When he's not racing in F1, he's on a simulator racing, he races every single day. That level of practice is what makes him the best.
@@doghat1619 To me, it’s makes me feel sadder for him. Yes, he is a generational talent and a dedicated driver, but his whole personality, his whole self identity is racing. He was groomed at an early stage to have no other aspirations, no other dreams, no other interests than to be a race driver. You see with other drivers they have other interests other than driving; Lewis with fashion, Daniel with farming, Pierre and Charles with travelling, heck even Lando seems really artsy and plays other video games than racing. But with Max, that’s it. Racing and nothing else.
@@ziggystatdust6008 the simplest explanation is that he genuinely enjoys racing, when he's not doing F1 he's sim racing. I don't know why you'd think that's sad, it's what he enjoys. he earns a ton of money with his main passion in life, and continues to engage in it outside of work. I think that's pretty cool that he really enjoys racing to such a level, can't really say that about other drivers because as you've said, they've got other side interests
as someone who grew up in that fucked up environment too, max has all my respect for being able to come out of it so strong. can't say the same for myself, but glad to see him strive
@@TwinHypeBack yeah but I feel like always discouraging your son and raising the bar is going to backfire at some point. It creates low self esteem, the thought of never being enough.
Max acts a certain way i can't describe, but this is probably why. Hes just wired to be a racer as he was raised that way. Im not diagnosing him, im not qualified but im just observing.
Sure maybe his upbringing made him better than he otherwise would have been, but then you look at Senna and from what I know his family simply supported his son in his passion and just wanted him to be safe. All the pressure Senna had to be the best came from himself. Maybe Max would be just as good, I mean the talent and skill isn’t something that can get beaten in to you. Max was always headed to the top. Perhaps he wouldn’t have cared so much for pursuing it were it not for his overbearing and violent father pretty much forcing him into this life. It’s just sad all round. Max could just as easily be even better and more rounded as a race driver had he had a more supportive and less abusive support for his racing career
@@DavidHunter "I mean the talent and skill isn’t something that can get beaten in to you." So, you've never heard of Boxing, Mixed Martial Arts, Muoy Thai, Shaolin monks...etc? American football, wrestling...the list goes on and on. If you've never bled for anything, you haven't the right to judge others.
I wouldn't recommend this approach to parenting to anyone looking to turn their kid into a superstar, even if it turned out right for Max' development into the driver we see today. It certainly explains how fucking well Max handles the pressure and how he didn't crack being brought into F1 at such an early age, but it's a rare personality type that can withstand this kind of childhood without being severely negatively affected. Which always begs the question, did Jos know what he was doing or did he just get very lucky Max was his son?
Jos had no idea what he was doing and his training only "worked" because of Max's talent. Jos being a driver did help get max the opportunities he had but that's about it. Also at least in my opinion having a mom who was also a talented driver and not a psychopath likely helped him as well
It isnt rare at all. Thats how 100% of children were brought up back in the day. Nowadays everybody is crying about mental health. Why? Because they are kept in a safe space as children and never encounter any struggle as kids. Therefore they never learn how to fight adversity.
This 'training' is very dependent on the type of personality trait the child has. Max was able to get through the abuse because of his resilient personality and competitive nature. It also helps he's brutally honest. He lets it out instead of letting it festering inside. If this happened to any other kid, they would be swimming in problems now. Yeah he may be too aggressive now and then, but he literally grew up to be the best possible outcome of his upbringing. Round of applause to his mental health.
It's not "abuse", I was raised in a similar way minus the motorsport part, but my dad was this harsh and no way would I qualify it as abuse, the sole difference is motivation behind it, eg is it coming from a place of wanting to help or not, a father with the right balance of being harsh but loving is the best kind of father. There's an interview where max talks about his dad and he basically says he's at peace with it, he understands why his dad was like that, and obviously it has paid off. Max does not consider his dad abusive and that is all that matters. Only writing this because I hate people throwing around the word "abuse" with no actual understanding of what real abuse looks like.
I can top that: My father always told me I'd become a cashier if I didn't get good grades. He used to make the beep sound you hear when items are scanned too. Me and my sister made it through school, excelled in uni and I think we also do our jobs pretty well. The downside: We are perfectionists and will never tell anyone no. We will manage to do every single task we are given because we were told not to fail ever. Sometimes I do feel burned out and I'm only 25.
Is that not normal? My father would say stuff like that, but I don't think he was nearly as abusive as Jo's, just traumatised himself & crippled by his own fears which he's projected onto me/family. Perhaps I have a warped sense of what normal and I've never realised it.
@@Millixxxxxx Lmao oh no your dad told you that you’d be stuck working minimum wage service industry jobs if you don’t do well in school? Wow how terrible, I can’t believe you managed to survive
I like how you ignored the crippling neuroses that person described that are a consequence just to mock and minimize the abuse they experienced. Almost as if you experienced the same and are full of cope
Seeing this, I realize how great of a person Max is. He took all that abuse, all those years and he doesn't seem like his dad is. Great for him. He truly deserves to be champion.
Holy... shit. The segment with Coulthard where he's essentially describing torture was heartbreaking. Then on the boat where he said winning in F1 was not enough. There are drivers who have a hero's welcome who only ever made podiums or won a few times, and are considered very successful in F1. Jos is an actual monster, and I think Max is lucky to actually like racing as much as he does. I don't think his success is as much a result of his father's "methods" as a natural determination within himself. Compared to how Hamilton's dad helped him train it's complete opposites.
Max is successful, despite his father, and absolutely not because of him. His driving ability is something else, but his ability to excel despite all of the negativity he has faced from the people he relies on, and loves the most; that is truly what is exceptional. Absolutely my favourite driver. I hope he is a better father to his future children, if that is a journey that he undertakes...
His father definitely helped him get where he is right now. He might've screwed him up as a man and a member of society, which only those close to him will know but he did raise a champion for sure.
I'm not advocating his dad's methods but he definitely got where he was because of his dad. Without the hours and money Jos poured into his career he wouldn't have started racing to begin with.
You can tell it still affects him now because of how he's using comedy to casually talk about what he went through growing up, though I think its also made him the person he is today as a driver, but then you question mentally what would have happened to someone who wasn't as mentally up for what Max has been able to do as a driver
I already know that Max is going to be an amazing father in the future. We can see that with Kelly's daughter. He knows what to do because it's literally the opposite of how his father was.
When he crashed his quali lap in jeddah and as he was walking away probably thinking hes lost the championship and his dad was on the big screen hammerfisting the table and he just looked back down afterwards, that was a whole feeling in itself
If I ever get the chance to ask Max Verstappen a question it would definitely be "Do you realise you were abused as a child?" The only people I know who can talk that casually about these things are people who were abused. I didn't realise it until my therapist told me and was worried because I shared it like it was the most normal thing in the world.
He is still young, a day will come when he understands how truly wronged he was by his father. I hope he will do whatever he needs to heal, even if that means cutting Jos off.
Credit to Max for surviving, many claim this hardship is what makes champions,......it really doesnt. Jos is not a nice guy. Max his parents divorced coz jos was an agressive husband. More than one police report about domestic disturbance. He tried to run over his wife at some point. He also broke a mans skull on a karting track (together with his own father) ........ ...hope max does not have that part of the genetics. Btw, His mom was a far better driver than his father according to himself. ✌️❤️
well, i'm in shock when Jos proudly tell his "hardship" is pay off. I think he just lucky Max has grew up as a champion, or he will be forever weakling manchild like Homeleader (The Boys)
@@al_zaizal I know i'm arguing with a child but for fuck sakes. Was you're father perfect? Will you be as a father? I'm not saying that leaving your kid at a random gas station is concidered 'normal', however you muhfuggas are all projecting your own trauma's big time here. Saying it was pure 'luck' that max got to where he was shows how little you know about motorsports in general. You don't just roll in to it like you would in let's say football. And still in that sport there are a lot of politics and connections (aka connections) involved. You think it was cruel that messi's parents let him move from Argentinia to Spain to pursue his dream at the age of 13? Maybe it was. Look up any story of any great athlete of any sport and you'll see their story's aren't 'normal'. True GOAT athletes are in a league of their own. Mostly because of talent and circumstance and yes, a lot of luck. However you create most of your own luck in life.
@@CunningStuntsGoFast of course cultural differences are real, but being an emotionally abusive parent is not a cultural trait, it’s a personal one, one that an Asian, African, European or American person can all have.
@@maxdenbreejen9844 yes , that sounds utterly correct and aproved . now go and do a bit of research why asian familys in america produce educated and succesfull offspring . hint ; pushing parents who want results .
The awkward smile on David Coulthard's face during that section where Jos is describing making Max test parts on a freezing wet day... still not always a fan of Max, but my God it is a miracle he's not on a full Joker arc after that childhood.
You silly little girl 😂 You act like jos beat him with a hammer and dragged him with a rope on the back of his van 😂 You have zero grounding in reality I hope you realise that one day
@@mikemelina7395 might be true but ethically dubious. normalising and even singing praise about what is a difficult and harsh, if not abusive childhood is worrying to see. had that been a random karter who barely made it, everyone would be pissed that this person has been abused and broken down by their parent or whatever, but cause it’s max even the viewers normalise it, when we should call into question, that’s critical engagement he’s a great driver and he’s won the mental health lottery to take his dad’s behaviour and channel it into becoming one of the greatest in the sport. it probably played a part in bolstering confidence and striving for success, but not in making him faster or smarter. he did that himself.
@@mikemelina7395 no matter how much you earn, it doesn't undo the abuse. And the brainwashin Max has gone through, to still "love" his father. This isn't normal and shouldn't be normal. Jos is a psychopath and a narcissist. Especially after reading how Jos wanted to know how he's cart would behave and didn't give a shit that his son was cold. Everything is about Jos, in his eyes. What a piece of shit of a person.
@@jenko6196 Have you ever met a Shaolin monk? Have you any idea what they allow themselves to be put through to become a Shaolin monk? Back on topic, notice how Max is a completely "based", no BS ultra-realist, yet has one of the best senses of humor in the paddock and the largest circle of friends and friendly acquaintances of any of the drivers with the exception of Daniel? Notice how he's been with the same woman, has a beautiful relationship with her daughter and isn't trying to sell anyone anything...my God, it's so refreshing to see a real person with singularity of purpose and talent like that. He's Ayrton Senna reborn. Max Verstappen is Formula 1's Shaolin monk.
His story is so weird. Talent is bred, but it was the talent his father force bred on him so relentlessly (got him in a car at 4yo and made him believe that's what Max wanted) what made him actually survive his father. It's like the grandfather paradox but with racing instead of time travel. I'm happy for him tho, because he would be extremely miserable if he would've failed to live up to his father's expectations. Shit parenting sometimes can fluke a world class athlete. DO NOT TRY AT HOME.
@@LUITESLIFE You underestimate the power of an abusive relationship. People (specially kids) will do anything to apease the abuser, and it becomes second nature to do whatever they think the abuser wants or needs. To insanity levels. Max is a success story, but there are many many many horror ones out there that follow the same pattern. As a token. Max wanted to play football. Jos wouldn't allow. How many other things do you think Jos did not allow?
@@LUITESLIFE You're just repeating the same thing. You're wrong. Abuse can make you believe things you don't really believe and act upon them as if it was what you wanted in the first place, up to insanity levels. I'm not saying that Max is insane, but there are thousands of documented cases of child abuse with the same exact pattern and having the inner drive is not necessary to act upon and continue to do it for years and years with different levels of success. The abuse (and trauma thereafter) is enough to perform at the top level for long periods of time if you learn the talent like Max did by being stimulated at extremely early age and, by means of abusive behavior, remain blocked out of anything else other than racing. (Pretty much like the Polgar sisters.. do you think they all 3 chose to become Chess players? Do you think they all would have chosen to do it if not by paternal influence?) I'm not trying to fight you, just saying there's plenty of evidence to build a case about Max, and given his behavior and recurring comments about where he stands regarding racing in general, I do believe he was forced to become a racer and it's something he wouldn't have done without Jos extreme pressure. But what do I know?
@@anameyoucantremember Jos didn't really want him to go racing but one time he went to a track with his mother and he was crying because he wanted a go-kart. Of course the way of parenting from Jos was way too strict but it was Max's choice to race.
@@ollief1693 Yeah, I'd say it's my choice to race too if I saw my father stab a mechanic with a screwdriver. I'd say whatever it takes to keep him from getting mad at me.
The trauma Max has experienced. Yes, he’s a three-time world champion, but at what cost? A safe and happy childhood? A healthy relationship with a father and a suitable father figure to look up to? Yes he’s a multi-millionaire. Yes, his father’s “support” has helped get him to where he is. It’s just very unfortunate that Max had to endure such abuse, especially at such a young and impressionable age, to get to where he is. I wish more parents were as kind as Lewis’ father was and is with him. It’s still possible to breed championship mentality with kindness.
1:48 the fact that his dad was so proudly recalling the story of throwing his kid outside into the freezing cold over and over again, just to "test him" in suffering conditions.......yikes. 😶 I mean there's strict parenting and then there's borderline abuse
I always feel incensed when I see Jos on the grid, especially when the commentators and personalities are all happy family with him. He's a piece of shit, he sacrificed everything in his son's life for his own dream and he got it. He got all the glitz, glamour and vicarious satisfaction of being the dad of one of the greatest drivers of all time. Whether Max wanted or enjoys that dream dosn't matter, because it never mattered for a second to Jos. And all he does is throw himself around at anything he deems a threat, he's a bully and a narcissistic prick. I genuinely hope that whether it's in racing or other walks of life Max achieves all he wants and lives a happy life for himself and no one else.
Every time Max says something like that, i just wanna hug him and tell him the awesome person that he is. It's inspiring to see how someone who has been through really bad things can be able to be a great person
@@PlatapusPhuckera gentle reminder that Jos used to be Schumacher's teammates back in his Benetton day. Sure the point scoring system kinda different, but what Jos drive isn't always shitbox, he was driving for Benetton at their peak FFS, his teammates can be a world champion while he only managed to achieve couple podiums.
@@drmaulana2600 Ugh no shit Sherlock, reason why Jos was struggling in Benetton is exactly the same why Alex Was struggling in RB history repeated itself
@@PlatapusPhuckerAlex? Alex Albon? Why you brings up Alex? Also, Alex is doing better in RB than Jos in Benetton, oh and he's doing fine rn in Williams, so does his short stint in DTM, Jos however, how about you take a gander at his racing record before comparing him to Alex. Like, ik scoring system back in 90s is different, but OP is completely right, Max getting more points on one weekend, even using 90s scoring (15pts for 1st, etc) than Jos'a entire career, no need to defend Jos here.
@@drmaulana2600 Well idk how the hell you thought that Albon is rb was better than Jos in Benetton. They litterally done same job. Oh and i see absolutely no fkn sense in bringing DTM or Williams(may be if Jos was some team leader he also would have better results)
There's a difference between tough love which can make your son into a dedicated and disciplined person, and being a harsh and degrading father causing hurt and problems. Ultimately its helped make max the driver that he is today but I'm sure he would have made it just the same with tough love rather than harsh and hurtful parenting.
Ow stfu. He wanted to make it to f1 so his dad said okay but then we go for it. He spent all his time and money to make sure his son would get his wish as an f1 driver. He drove with Max to all the races, weekend after weekend. Most fathers would say, yeah forget it. That’s love, tough love…but that was needed for him to make it. Without his dad, he wouldn’t be the person he is today. So think about that before criticizing someone from the sideline
@@hiufgterde amazing the lengths people go to justify this behaviour in the name of muh' favourite driver. He did jail time for domestic violence. He is a prick.
@@hiufgterde Jos is a abusive horrible man that is a disgrace to humans. It's not "tough love" it's pure abuse. The less people like Jos in the world, the better.
His dad got lucky that he was so tenacious and succeeded. A kid with different personality or talents could have their life absolutely ruined by that parenthood
A guy that clearly wasn't enough to do it himself, living vicariously through his son. I get that it's made him the best but Jesus, it's a miracle this man turned out so level headed
homie just got abused, that's not discipline. Discipline is something you don't want to do because you know it's good for you, not because you will get beat for not doing it.
I’m a Lewis fan but have to say Max is awesome. People have unnecessary negative opinions about him but I think he’s as humble as anyone could be with the talent he clearly has
Ditto: Right now Lewis is now showing a level of resilience he never new he needed, and I admire him for that. He could easily call it a day. If Max had missed out on his first title, I would be more than happy he is the 'next generation'. As it is, I so want Lewis to get the eighth he so clearly deserved. That said, Max is an absolutely awesome driver, and as grounded as he could be - having Jos as a father.
@@DJP852795 saying someone 'deserved' a title is a bit weird, he raced in every race just like max. Max just scored more points per race finishes. max deserved it because he drove better across the season.
@@doghat1619 Weird ?! The rules were not applied as they had been for EVERY other race - just for the spectacle. On the basis that they should have been applied as they had been up to that day… he “deserved” the race. And therefore the championship. And consequently the 8th title. Simple. Anyone who can retain his composure through that flagrant manipulation by an authority “deserves” respect. No bitching, no nastiness, a true legend.
@@DJP852795 I mean, the regulations were followed, the teams specifically asked to not end races under safety car finishes after the farce of a race that was spa. If rules were broken, Mercedes would've actually appealed, they never did, nor did hamilton pursue that route, because they have no leg to stand on. Hamilton only wins that title in a weird scenario where the race director finishes a race under safety car, despite the track being clear for the last 2 laps.
It can be very tempting to be this brutal with raising a child, by all means it can make them very good at what they do. But there is a risk you’re taking, and it’s not a small one. The likelihood of the child being confident and resilient enough to take that kind of abuse without developing trauma is genuinely very small. Sure, every once in a while you’ll raise a Max Verstappen, but the vast majority of the time you’re going to put a kid through hell only to give them lingering, lifelong pain. It just happening to work out doesn’t excuse that, raising a child like this is never justified. Jos is unanimously not a good guy.
Yup, you will occasionally hear from a superstar who went through this kind of thing to turn them into who they are, but you won't hear about the hundreds of kids where it absolutely ruined them.
My dad is exactly the same, and we weren’t even training for anything. In fact, this is quite common in NL. Also, this hard side it just one part of the story. Jos also loves Max very much and always tells/shows him that. He sometimes lets his emotions get the best of him but I don’t buy he is unanimously a bad guy.
Max is lucky that he turned out successful. If he failed to live up to that harsh upbringing, he would have been broken, but have lived no redemption. At the same, I hate that Jos succeeded in his goal. He can use the fact that his son is dominant today to justify the unjustifiable. That man is a power hungry puppet master, an autocratic failed ex-F1 who projected his failures on his son since the beginning. I am happy that Max became more independent, you can see that he's become a much better person since he became an adult.
Even though Hamilton’s dad wasn’t quite as tough, Hamilton seems to have a similar father son relationship as Max does - Hamilton’s dad was also a tough taskmaster and was the hardest person for Hamilton to impress.
I don't know about that, but I used to observe some social awkwardness from him sometimes , like trying to be liked but not quite knowing how. I've been there. In the last 5-6 years or so years he seems so much more relaxed and confident in a healthy way though. Lewis I mean.
You can hear Red Bull trying to reprogram him over the radio to not go so hard when he's 24 seconds in the lead because he doesn't always have to be pushing to impress his dad.
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This parenting could've had two outcomes.
- 0.01 % Max Verstappen
- 99.99 % a person who kills his father with an axe at night.
Jos is really, really lucky.
And Jos is one of those that really deserves the axe.
exactly
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@@Zhort-rk9nd You know Max wouldn't be a champion today if not for Jos
@@IgnitionPyeah becoming a champion with a ruined childhood
@@nisithamirihagalla7505 I never heard Max say that, did you?
I feel like Max could casually explain a Murder crime that his dad committed 5 years ago and nobody would give a shit
Judging by some comments on this video, people would absolutely defend Jos for that too.
@@drmaulana2600yes they would😂
Jos actually was arrested (but not charged) for attempted murder for hitting his ex-wife with his car
@@hurricane.lilith Pure madness.
Not that he hit his ex wife but also murdered the childhood that his son deserved. He could have been a worldchampion with a happy childhood too.
A failed parent living his own dreams through his sons talent.
Absolutely spot on.
precisely
He wanted to created a better version of himself by making him work hard and share his own experiences
I dont like this shit but tbh do you make a guy like verstappen by not being strict and extreme. I know there are some out there who can but most have the mad back story that molded them as a pro/person. A harsh reality of becoming obsessed and great
Jos "failed" for what...EIGHT SEASONS in Formula One? That's a hell of a long time to survive at the top of the sport on just talent. Nicolas Latifi lasted 3 seasons in F1, only because his billionaire father bankrolled the team. Max said he wanted to become the World Drivers Champion, Jos made him do what it takes to become WDC, that's called being a successful parent. That's why Max adores his father.
honestly, the worst isn't even seeing Max sharing his trauma probably not even realizing that what his father did is not normal,, it's seeing his dad talk so openly and shamelessly about it with a smile on his face.
Still found it amazing how people in here are defending him 😂
@@motorsportfanboy7769i wonder what kind of fathers they have
@@juanncarrizo9508 must be fatherless then 😭
@@motorsportfanboy7769When max was 4 he was crying next to a karting track becouse he also wanted to drive. Jos always said if you don’t want to drive it’s totally okey but if you do, and you have the ambition to become a f1 driver you have to go all in. And so he became. Yes it was harsch sometimes, and yes maybe some times unnecessarily. But I am sure that max is really thankfully for what all jos sacrificed for max. Racing in his early years costed jos a fortune
@@hoineenietjij3331 yes when Max was FOUR YEARS OLD he said he wants to be in the car vroom vroom go fast, so therefore the decades of abuse and torment that followed by Jos is totally justified. Great take.
It is a miracle that he grew up to be a balanced character that he is. Most would have taken the bottle or drugs, or worse.
Or kill his/her dad 😂
Dont think so, that usually comes from parents neglecting their children. I think once Max started to win, he realised why his dad was so tough on him. Who doesnt like to win?
@@MyPopcornplayer Well, winning is certainly not something I would base my whole being on. Why? Because I had different parents. My point was, it is a miracle that Max remained a stable person (as far as I can tell). Remember that he also had a few years in which he barely won anything, during Alpha Tauri and in the first years of RBR, because of Mercedes dominance.
@@ronaldderooij1774 good points. I have extra respect for Max after learning what his dad put him through.
@@ronaldderooij1774 He is talking about his Go-karting days not about his early f1 career. In f1 finishing in the top 10 is a very big deal and his dad cannot complain as he has only scored 17 points in his entire f1 career
“Probably cost the marriage” he blames himself for his parents divorce 😭😭😭im literally sobbing 💔 ITS NOT YOUR FAULT MAX ❤
Jos being a terrible human cost the marriage not Max
People here in the comment section are so quick to jump to conclusions. Granted, Jos definitely has anger issues, but what most people are forgetting is that Jos poured everything he had into Max's career from age 4 onward. He wasn't that rich and needed sponsors. He was doing everything when it comes to planning, maintenance, etc. He had to drive long distances to for instance Italy because Max had a race there.
Jos sacrificed a lot for Max because Max really wanted to be a racer. Jos didn't want to buy Max a kart at age 4 because it would have to be replaced in 1 or 2 years because it would be too small. But Max really wanted a kart so Jos bought him one at age 4.
Since this sport is something different than for instance soccer, Jos had to do a lot for Max and in return he demanded that Max would take racing very seriously and that he would continously try to improve. I think that's a fair demand from Jos towards Max. Kicking him out the car at the fuel station seems a bit much though, but I have no idea how much of a brat Max possibly was at that age :P
@@Benny_000 you’re right we don’t know everything and we shouldn’t be jumping to conclusions based on our own personal experiences
@@Benny_000Umm.. Lewis’s dad put the same work in for his son too. His financial condition were probably even worse + everything’s automatically much harder when you’re black. But he wasn’t harsh like Jos. And you don’t get to demand perfection from your kids just because they are your kids. You chose to have them. They owe you nothing. Nothing justifies Jos’ behaviour towards Max. That boy has spent his entire life being told he’s not good enough that he’s not worthy of love if he’s not winning.
@@Cherieee09What a load of emotionally written BS. Especially your last sentence is full assumptions just because you watched an edited video.
It’s genuinely heartbreaking to see him so casually explain things that are genuinely not normal. His dad is a dickhead, and max is a champion in SPITE of his dad, not because of.
If this all was so hearthbreaking and traumatizing, do you think Max would sit face to face with his dad in all these interviews, bot laughing about all the things Jos did? They both know you don’t become what he is without the toughness. Some of the methods might have been extreme, but from the stories Jos never physically abused his child and he raised a world champion that is a pure winner who still loves his dad from as far as we can see.
Or does it look like he hates his father to you? Most abused children hate their parents.
@@ct0332He laughs because Jos behaviour has been normalised to him. Abused people don’t always see the truth in the abuse and remain shackled to their abuser
@samnash9098you couldn’t have explained it better
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Nope, he is as strong as he is because he has his father’s genes and upbringing.
I wonder if Max actually realizes how he was traumatized as kid and how these arent just silly stories.
Ive thought that too
I'm sure he does, this is just how he vents
im sure he does, there's just no point in dwelling on the past. this is the best way to move on, and this attitude is imo more improtant to his success than whatever his dad pushed him to do.
If he is, he is, if he isn't, he isn't.
What the worst thing anyone can do in this kind of situation is trying to forcefully convince him that he was, in fact, traumatized.
Convincing a person who doesn't think they've been traumatized that they have been, can literally retroactively traumatize that person.
It would be insane if he haven't had that talk like years ago with the team/a therapist.
To everyone thinking this parenting style works/children these days are soft:
For every max verstappen in the world, there's a million who didn't make it. A million who committed suicide or have a boatload if problems. Jos got lucky. You did too, but others aren't so lucky.
My dad really liked to get mad at me for the slightest mistakes and fails so when I was like 7 I just ended up isolating myself from the world as much as possible since when I did nothing there was nothing for him to be mad about at least
So yeah, not a great approach and it is *slightly* annoying how people defend child abuse because "it worked"
I’d also like to add: there’s plenty of Kobe Bryant’s (kids whose parents weren’t so draconian, and their drive was innate) that ended up becoming just as legendary as the Max Verstappen’s, without the extra child abuse (Kobe and the Parents beefed later on, but they didn’t ride on him like Jos did). So what Jos did was not only selfish and dangerous, but also quite likely unnecessary.
idk but I relate to Max in a lot of situations and now I do therapy and shit, this checks out, a lot.
Absolutely agree, this is spot on. As an example of other approach, highly recommend autobiography by Jenson Button. His relations with father were great
facts, there are only a few good endings to stories like this
The more I learn about Jos, the more I dislike him and the more I like Max. That he managed to come through that BS and be so even-tempered and functional speaks to his innate quality.
I guess the influence of his mom had a good part in that.
wait till you hear about how he has been arrested for physically abusing his wife and trying to run over second wife with a car
@@StuffAndMoredont forget Jos beat his own father 😂
Max is more of a man than most guys like you. I saw a man the other day, he was “transgender” and taking hormones, he got a medical condition from it and says it’s “triggering” to go to the doctor.
Boys need to be beat up otherwise they turn like this. I was usually beat by my mom, excessively sometimes, I also suffered severe depression in my teen years but the idea that I might be a woman never crossed me.
@@StuffAndMorecolor me shocked
This is painfully funny to watch…he uses interviews as therapy sessions 😂
Abuse isn’t funny
@@WHALEx3 Relax, it is bit funny
@@lizzy341 The memories that Max mentioned are stuck in his head forever. He will never forget his father’s violent nature.
He talks about it in a way that’s funny, but that doesn’t mean we have to ignore the abuse. Sure, some parts made me laugh, but there were other moments that are worrying.
Somebody might have abused you Lizzy. Joking about it might be a good way to talk about it, but you also must condemn that sort of behavior.
Well you clearly see he has no trauma, a typical Dutch tough love upbringing prepares you for the real world unlike the zillion of snowflakes we have nowadays. In my world kids with their mommy and daddy as their best friends not preparing them for the real world is the child abuse. Lewis complained about missing arm around his shoulder, Lewis spends hours at the psychotherapist as he says himself, you worry about the wrong people, accept different cultures, that you don't like Dutch culture is your problem. If you wanna pretend you family are only angels than that fine with me but if you think we believe it ? bad news not gonna happen
Hmm plenty of woke idiots in here who don’t know what they are talking about.. gaurentee they all support a certain woke princess
Ironically all of these people are woke Lewis fans.. but Lewis is literally a celebrity victim 😂
Spends his entire life talking about oppression when he was on mclarens pay roll from being a small boy 😂
Ultimate pathetic victim complex
Meanwhile verstappen wears everything on his sleeve and dosent complain or virtue signal
Some people are absolutely brain washed 😂
As a wise man once said, "Do you know how much trauma does it take to be as talented as Max Verstappen."
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Do you think he knows that it is trauma? Like it was so normalised for him that he thinks he is just telling stories?
It's possible. Survivors of child abuse may not even know that they were abused until they receive help to begin reviewing the trauma.
@@juratory8876 oh wow that's though.
oh absolutely he just thinks they’re slightly weird childhood stories because like…you grow up and that’s all you know so you think it’s normal. theres’s a quote “when you’re born in a burning house, you think the whole world is burning.” and i think that explains max’s whole kinda…attitude to his childhood, he’s just used to the burn of the fire so it’s nothing to him.
He knows, to an extent at least. He just isn't afraid to tell his truth which is kinda amazing. The abuse is noticeable to a kid. You know you are treated differently so an unconscious awareness is always there. Narcissism survivers dealing with it, always come out confident in their authenticity with strong boundaries. Plus they are skilled communicators like Max is. Especially when they face or have faced their demons. Max is a healing journey in progress and it's beautiful to see him put hit father on the spot and ground in his own self, reclaiming those inner childhood parts.. Jos hasn't been on the track as much as he used to. There's a distance growing between them. I've noticed Max giving his dad the cold shoulder even when jos was there. Max is showing tremendous growth in his character, one you can only make with a certain active awareness. And if time doesn't do it, having a kid of your own will sure as hell mirror unhealed hurt back. So yeah he knows and he is coping like the champ he is.
@@juratory8876 another Lala Land citizen thinking that having a strict father = child abuse .
This is why I love it when Checo's dad is at the races and is so excited Max when he does well. He's like the proud Red Bull papa.
He let Checo moved by himself to Germany at the age of 14 without even knowing the Language at all & was having to fend for himself, basically NO Adult Supervision, was Living above a Pub & did NO School…
@@Mandykiss4500 But that was basically Checo's will that got him there. Checo the kid made it happen for himself - he called teams, he emailed them, he racked up the phone bills, and he found himself a sponsor. What do you do when your kid is smart and driven enough to do that on his own and actually found himself a team that would take him? You'd figure out that the kid is probably smart enough to live on his own and take the opportunity to see if the talent is there. It's even more amazing when you realize Perez Snr is a race car mechanic and not a rich businessman.
Checo always describes his childhood as "tiring" (because they had to drive to these races) but "so happy" (because they saw it as a bonding experience with their dad). It's in stark contrast to Max's.
It is very well documented how abusive Jos was and is. An angry man. Wants to live vicariously through Max. His approach worked, but it’s not the only approach and a sad one at that.
he's very lucky max persevered. the kind of treatment jos was giving him could've broken a lot of children. i find it ridiculous he's being praised because it "worked". he's an awful man. many people who know max personally say he's very like his mother and is quite a gentle person. i'm glad he picked up those traits in his personal life
@@ronweasley5445 seeing the way he treats Penelope makes me happy. Seems much kinder and gentler than his upbringing. I was worried the cycle may continue, but hopefully Max adopts a different perspective and approach. Jos is a POS.
@@ronweasley5445 to be honest, alot of peopel who were abused are less likely to treat their children worse since theyve experienced how much bad parenting hurts.
but it could also go to the other extreme and end up with people letting out their trauma on their children so yeah
Max is a champion because of his own determination and willpower, not the shitty treatment from his dad.
@@8thlvlMage Sure would help if that 'inherent' determination and willpower weren't also risked on his dad's method of parenting.
"My dad did that once to a mechanic with a fork." - Max Verstappen 💀
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remember, the only reason Max didn't crack is because his mother loved him unconditionally
Yes. Goes to show how important having a strict father figure AND a loving mother are. I was raised with just my father and brothers. I have serious issues with empathy and emotions because of it.
@@ChefofWar33same with me, i dont have any type of empathy toward any human being.
@Andrew_Tz Yah. I have empathy for others. But I really struggle to show it. I was always tought that it was weak. I was always made fun of if I "acted like a girl" and showed emotion. Now my dad and brothers wonder why I hate children, hate dogs, hate women and hate emotions in general. I wasn't born that way, they made me that way. Because everytime I think about showing my true emotions, "which I actually do have btw", I get a small dose of PTSD from my childhood to immediately shut that shit down.
@@ChefofWar33 Hun,maybe u should see a therapist.
@@Andrew_Tz Hun,u should probably see a therapist.
I also think it’s kind of telling how involved Jos is in interviews like this. Rarely remember seeing Hamiltons dad so often involved in interviews. Like he really is one of those sad parents living vicariously through the success of their children. He’s loving the limelight of success which he never obtained for himself.
that’s on display every race weekend when we see shots of him in the red bull garage. just a small man. I’m not the biggest max fan - we can all see his character flaws - but considering the obvious abuse he was subject to it’s remarkably he’s as relatively normal as he is.
the only time jos deserved the light he got was when he caught fire during refueling
@@crispybanana3198 goddamn maybe that's a little too much bro 🤣 but yeah he's a prick
i mean, from what i know anthony was a lot more involved(he was also lewis's manager) but in 2011 lewis basically dropped him as a manager. it took quite a few years until they reconciled, 2011 is also one of the worst years of lewis performance wise. of course anthony was nowhere near jos but a level of control was also present.
The thing is, Jos is an exceptionally talented driver in his own right. Things didn’t pan out the way they could’ve but he absolutely had the ability to be at the top of the sport
The way he’s raised Max is just disgusting. I really dislike Max’s on track aggression and selfishness, but as others have pointed out, that he is as well adjusted as he is is honestly remarkable and a real testament to his character. This video has given me a new level of respect and empathy towards him tbh
You know shit's real when even Helmut Marko says that Jos was too tough on him
2:14 Jos is the type of guy to joke and laugh with max about abusing his child in an interview because he “wanted to test things”
'I was winning but it wasn't enough" 😢 It does make me think about the interview Max had with Steve Jones where Steve said "does your girlfriend address you as double World Champion Max" and he smiled and said "no, her Dad is a 3 times World Champion so I doubt she's impressed by that". I hadn't realised how much of an impact Jos still had on him.
??? Correlation?
Jos never was world champion. His girlfriend is Piquet’s daughter, who is a 3-time World Champion.
@@robbetorfs4093thats what he wrote. "HER dad is a 3 time world champion"
@@miguelpereira9859he wrote? Pretty sure their profile picture is a woman
It’s not that difficult. She points out how it never was enough for Jos, no matter what Max achieved. Then she recalls the interview where he doubts that Kelly Piquet is impressed with him being a two time world champ, because her dad is a triple champ. He can’t believe that somebody be impressed by ‘only’ having become world champion twice.
…Now I’ll leave it up to you if you agree with her that he’s been scarred so badly that no achievement in F1 will ever be enough to make people happy/proud of him, if it’s his humor or if he’s just being modest.
Just... wow. I mean his dad did raised one of the best F1 drivers, but that was harsh no less. Probably why Max has such tenacious drive, but I see other F1 champions dad who can be supportive so this definitely isn't the only way to do it.
Such as?
@@cambuurleeuwarden Anthony Hamilton. Norbert Vettel.
@@smileplease1971 Anthony Hamilton was nearly as bad
Having a harsh parenting style isn't the same as not being supportive. Not the way I would do it, but he did help him at every stage even building basically a go-kart factory for him.
@@dumbllama8495 Also Anthony had a semi reason to be "all on nothing" attitude with Lewis. He had to take up like 3-4 extra jobs to pay for Lewis karting didn't he? If lewis didn't get picked up by a program what else could Anthony do? He didn't know anyone in F1 nor racing nor the money to get to know them.
It’s like RPM said “if max wasn’t an F1 driver, there would be 50 bodies underneath the floorboards in his kitchen”
The one with Coulthard is so uncomfortable holy shit. The way Jos and Max are laughing about it and talking about it in a casual way whilst David just has a death smile on and is just like ‘tf’
It's actually a testament to how good of a person max is that he's turned out how he has and nothing like his dad, because his dad was an abusive bully.
You have absolutely no fucking clue how person Max is.
Also, his father was a loser; Max is a 2 (we all know that 3 already tbh) wc, so yeah, even at his game Jos is less than Max
To be honest Max definitely has quite the temper. But given his upbringing, it's only natural.
@@faramund9865 that is very normal temper for sports being fair. Modern F1 is just very clean and sanitized. Look back in 90s and Max's temper looks mild in comparison to the inter team and inter driver rivalries
@@faramund9865 people who know him from off the tracks say he's actually different from what people expect. Especially, he's very polite and accessible.
No wonder Max had such an "attitude" in his early days in F1. The amount of pressure he must have had from his male parent (can't call him a "father") to be come a World Champion must have been immense. Which is probably why after the 1st championship, he got a huge weight off his chest and now just drives without really caring for more championships.
I keep coming back to this and just looking at the baffled and slightly horrified expressions on everyone's faces as Max tells these stories. I wonder if he notices that and if it gets to him that he's all "haha that's so funny, right?" and everyone else is just "what the fuck???" Like Daniel's smile totally freezes on his face when Max says Jos went at a guy with a fork. Idk I make jokes about traumatic relationships I've had, too, so I really relate to him laughing it off while everyone else is just sitting there, flabbergasted.
His jokes are coping mechanisms for his traumas, I'm sure of it.
People keep saying that it's because of all these things that his Dad did to him that he is now the best - " diamonds are forged under pressure " kind of philosophy - yes, exactly, pressure, this was not pressure, this was abuse, it's a very fine line don't overlook it.
exactly!
Definitely. This was painful to watch. From Max’s stories, it seems that he (as a child) was more mature that Jos. His father didn’t even have the maturity to listen and talk to him. I’m not even the biggest fan of Max in the race lol. He was raised to win so it probably explains his actions in the race. However I’ve seen clips of him around children and he’s warm and welcoming. Children seem to genuinely love him. Of course I dont know Max personally so i cant say much. But I think he would be a wonderful father figure - or he already is tbh. Someone he never had as a kid. I hope he’s healing.
@@suave-alpaca8412 I absolutely agree with you, I'm also not that big of a fan because I don't really like the way he acts sometimes but after seeing all these interviews I understand where he's coming from and I really hope he breaks the generational trauma and becomes a great dad one day :)
cant believe some people sat through this video and continue to say Jos was just "strict". This was srsly difficult to watch...
@@ban9693 I know, I feel bad for him, this is not normal or right 😥
bro his childhood was ass ngl
Fr bro. I couldn’t imagine being brought up like that
That’s what it takes to be top of the world. Because of his sacrifices in his childhood, he’s much more successful than you
@@Chicken_cocknballsoup7376 No, THIS is not what it takes. There are lots of succesful people who didn't have to go through this and lots of unsuccessful people who did. Max already had a leg up by having a father who competed in F1.
@@issahgyandi3365 yes, but it mostly works. Look at the difference between Asian parenting and western parenting for example. One culture focuses harshly on education, uses physical punishments and scolds their children to be better at every field and as those children grow up and find success, they appreciate their parents and look after them until they die. In contrast to that, lots of western kids now can’t even learn anything because of attention span problems, get into drugs, get depressed etc. All because of different parenting
@@issahgyandi3365 Yeah, you're right buddy. I'm from a hardcore Asian household and that shit does NOT help lol. Every bit of success I've gotten is not because of my family, but despite of the shit they pulled off on me.
It's a miracle that Max ended up as a pro F1 driver with 3 WDC instead of being the main subject of a netflix crime documentary.
To anyone defending his father, Max's case is the exception. So many "dedicated" fathers have ruined their son's lives trying to chase the dream they lost. Max is a generational talent, perhaps the best ever. His father being terrible only hurt him, never helped him.
Yh
He's the best driver of his generation, but 'talent' has very little to do with it. He is arguably the most dedicated racer in F1, ever. When he's not racing in F1, he's on a simulator racing, he races every single day. That level of practice is what makes him the best.
@@doghat1619 yeah
@@doghat1619 To me, it’s makes me feel sadder for him. Yes, he is a generational talent and a dedicated driver, but his whole personality, his whole self identity is racing. He was groomed at an early stage to have no other aspirations, no other dreams, no other interests than to be a race driver. You see with other drivers they have other interests other than driving; Lewis with fashion, Daniel with farming, Pierre and Charles with travelling, heck even Lando seems really artsy and plays other video games than racing. But with Max, that’s it. Racing and nothing else.
@@ziggystatdust6008 the simplest explanation is that he genuinely enjoys racing, when he's not doing F1 he's sim racing. I don't know why you'd think that's sad, it's what he enjoys. he earns a ton of money with his main passion in life, and continues to engage in it outside of work.
I think that's pretty cool that he really enjoys racing to such a level, can't really say that about other drivers because as you've said, they've got other side interests
as someone who grew up in that fucked up environment too, max has all my respect for being able to come out of it so strong. can't say the same for myself, but glad to see him strive
4:48 Max please realise this is not normal 😭
Depends on the tone and the moment
It was, until society got subverted by the commies
@@luuk6718yeah but max said it was always
I don’t think that one’s that bad his father was a bang average f1 driver and he knew if his son was gonna be the best he needed to be better
@@TwinHypeBack yeah but I feel like always discouraging your son and raising the bar is going to backfire at some point. It creates low self esteem, the thought of never being enough.
Max acts a certain way i can't describe, but this is probably why. Hes just wired to be a racer as he was raised that way. Im not diagnosing him, im not qualified but im just observing.
The simple explanation is that Max is "based".
Homie is observing
Sure maybe his upbringing made him better than he otherwise would have been, but then you look at Senna and from what I know his family simply supported his son in his passion and just wanted him to be safe. All the pressure Senna had to be the best came from himself. Maybe Max would be just as good, I mean the talent and skill isn’t something that can get beaten in to you. Max was always headed to the top. Perhaps he wouldn’t have cared so much for pursuing it were it not for his overbearing and violent father pretty much forcing him into this life. It’s just sad all round. Max could just as easily be even better and more rounded as a race driver had he had a more supportive and less abusive support for his racing career
@@DavidHunter "I mean the talent and skill isn’t something that can get beaten in to you."
So, you've never heard of Boxing, Mixed Martial Arts, Muoy Thai, Shaolin monks...etc? American football, wrestling...the list goes on and on. If you've never bled for anything, you haven't the right to judge others.
Classic stoicism
I wouldn't recommend this approach to parenting to anyone looking to turn their kid into a superstar, even if it turned out right for Max' development into the driver we see today. It certainly explains how fucking well Max handles the pressure and how he didn't crack being brought into F1 at such an early age, but it's a rare personality type that can withstand this kind of childhood without being severely negatively affected.
Which always begs the question, did Jos know what he was doing or did he just get very lucky Max was his son?
Jos had no idea what he was doing and his training only "worked" because of Max's talent. Jos being a driver did help get max the opportunities he had but that's about it. Also at least in my opinion having a mom who was also a talented driver and not a psychopath likely helped him as well
Bro, as a Max fan, hes fucked in the head
There are plenty of hard-ass dads yelling at their kids who will not grow up to be exceptional except at yelling at their kid own kids.
It isnt rare at all. Thats how 100% of children were brought up back in the day. Nowadays everybody is crying about mental health. Why? Because they are kept in a safe space as children and never encounter any struggle as kids. Therefore they never learn how to fight adversity.
@@armingleiner5292 because there were no mental health problems before safe spaces, …riiiight… 🤦♂️
2:55 that eye roll ☠️
I meam is he wrong? See what Leglerc says when he finishes 2nd ... He says that's not enough amd he deserves first.
What's more painful is seeing them both sharing those stories so normally. Like my bro in christ that's not laughable that's child bullying 💀
"Do you realize how much childhood trauma it takes to be that bloody talented?" -RPM
This 'training' is very dependent on the type of personality trait the child has. Max was able to get through the abuse because of his resilient personality and competitive nature.
It also helps he's brutally honest. He lets it out instead of letting it festering inside. If this happened to any other kid, they would be swimming in problems now.
Yeah he may be too aggressive now and then, but he literally grew up to be the best possible outcome of his upbringing.
Round of applause to his mental health.
If you think he is an individual without deep and obvious upbringing problems, you have some comprehension problems I'm afraid
What makes you so sure Max is not "swimming in problems"?
It's not "abuse", I was raised in a similar way minus the motorsport part, but my dad was this harsh and no way would I qualify it as abuse, the sole difference is motivation behind it, eg is it coming from a place of wanting to help or not, a father with the right balance of being harsh but loving is the best kind of father.
There's an interview where max talks about his dad and he basically says he's at peace with it, he understands why his dad was like that, and obviously it has paid off. Max does not consider his dad abusive and that is all that matters.
Only writing this because I hate people throwing around the word "abuse" with no actual understanding of what real abuse looks like.
@@justamanchimp he was not abusive to max, but he was abusive to his wife
@@justamanchimp idk leaving you child on his own at a gas station is pretty abusive, dude
This almost made me sob. I have newfound respect for Max.
"My dad always told I would be a truck driver" might be the meanest thing I've ever heard
I can top that: My father always told me I'd become a cashier if I didn't get good grades. He used to make the beep sound you hear when items are scanned too.
Me and my sister made it through school, excelled in uni and I think we also do our jobs pretty well. The downside: We are perfectionists and will never tell anyone no. We will manage to do every single task we are given because we were told not to fail ever. Sometimes I do feel burned out and I'm only 25.
Is that not normal? My father would say stuff like that, but I don't think he was nearly as abusive as Jo's, just traumatised himself & crippled by his own fears which he's projected onto me/family. Perhaps I have a warped sense of what normal and I've never realised it.
@@MillixxxxxxThats just banter mate, not even that mean
@@Millixxxxxx Lmao oh no your dad told you that you’d be stuck working minimum wage service industry jobs if you don’t do well in school? Wow how terrible, I can’t believe you managed to survive
I like how you ignored the crippling neuroses that person described that are a consequence just to mock and minimize the abuse they experienced.
Almost as if you experienced the same and are full of cope
Seeing this, I realize how great of a person Max is. He took all that abuse, all those years and he doesn't seem like his dad is. Great for him. He truly deserves to be champion.
Holy... shit. The segment with Coulthard where he's essentially describing torture was heartbreaking. Then on the boat where he said winning in F1 was not enough. There are drivers who have a hero's welcome who only ever made podiums or won a few times, and are considered very successful in F1. Jos is an actual monster, and I think Max is lucky to actually like racing as much as he does. I don't think his success is as much a result of his father's "methods" as a natural determination within himself. Compared to how Hamilton's dad helped him train it's complete opposites.
Max is successful, despite his father, and absolutely not because of him.
His driving ability is something else, but his ability to excel despite all of the negativity he has faced from the people he relies on, and loves the most; that is truly what is exceptional.
Absolutely my favourite driver.
I hope he is a better father to his future children, if that is a journey that he undertakes...
His father definitely helped him get where he is right now. He might've screwed him up as a man and a member of society, which only those close to him will know but he did raise a champion for sure.
Without Jos, Max would not be in F1
Name one world champion who had an easy youth, never got pushed and did everything because they liked to do it.
I'm not advocating his dad's methods but he definitely got where he was because of his dad. Without the hours and money Jos poured into his career he wouldn't have started racing to begin with.
@@ct0332 obviously any type of sport or competition is going to be hard, that doesn’t warrant abuse. Look at hamilton, vettel, etc
You can tell it still affects him now because of how he's using comedy to casually talk about what he went through growing up, though I think its also made him the person he is today as a driver, but then you question mentally what would have happened to someone who wasn't as mentally up for what Max has been able to do as a driver
Man.. now i see why he drives the way he drives
The way Daniel just looks at him 0:03
I already know that Max is going to be an amazing father in the future. We can see that with Kelly's daughter. He knows what to do because it's literally the opposite of how his father was.
yeah i respect Max for that, he is a better man than he was destined to be
THIS
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At this point, little Penelope IS basically his daughter.
When he crashed his quali lap in jeddah and as he was walking away probably thinking hes lost the championship and his dad was on the big screen hammerfisting the table and he just looked back down afterwards, that was a whole feeling in itself
If I ever get the chance to ask Max Verstappen a question it would definitely be "Do you realise you were abused as a child?" The only people I know who can talk that casually about these things are people who were abused. I didn't realise it until my therapist told me and was worried because I shared it like it was the most normal thing in the world.
You were abused as a child by feminism and communists
He is still young, a day will come when he understands how truly wronged he was by his father. I hope he will do whatever he needs to heal, even if that means cutting Jos off.
As RPM said, "it takes a lot of childhood trauma to be as good as Verstappen is"
Who is RPM?
@@djabber RocketPoweredMohawk, he does short race recaps and vids about f1
@@user-bq9jp7bl5p Ah right, thanks!
Credit to Max for surviving, many claim this hardship is what makes champions,......it really doesnt.
Jos is not a nice guy. Max his parents divorced coz jos was an agressive husband. More than one police report about domestic disturbance. He tried to run over his wife at some point. He also broke a mans skull on a karting track (together with his own father) ........ ...hope max does not have that part of the genetics. Btw, His mom was a far better driver than his father according to himself. ✌️❤️
are you saying without any hardship Max would be able to be where he is now?
@@FaceFish9 look at Hamilton and his dad's relationship vs Jos and Max
@@gawdpromaxultra703 so you think this is the reason max is a bit better than Lewis?
well, i'm in shock when Jos proudly tell his "hardship" is pay off. I think he just lucky Max has grew up as a champion, or he will be forever weakling manchild like Homeleader (The Boys)
@@al_zaizal I know i'm arguing with a child but for fuck sakes. Was you're father perfect? Will you be as a father? I'm not saying that leaving your kid at a random gas station is concidered 'normal', however you muhfuggas are all projecting your own trauma's big time here.
Saying it was pure 'luck' that max got to where he was shows how little you know about motorsports in general. You don't just roll in to it like you would in let's say football. And still in that sport there are a lot of politics and connections (aka connections) involved.
You think it was cruel that messi's parents let him move from Argentinia to Spain to pursue his dream at the age of 13? Maybe it was. Look up any story of any great athlete of any sport and you'll see their story's aren't 'normal'. True GOAT athletes are in a league of their own. Mostly because of talent and circumstance and yes, a lot of luck. However you create most of your own luck in life.
My heart hurts for max cause he seems such like a genuine soul and a funny guy, so the fact that this didn’t make him cold hearted is amazing
David Coulthard internally cringing but unable to show it and puts on a fake smile is everything 😂😅
max is literally every Arab, African, Asian kid talking casually about their trauma
you forget latin american...., just sayin´...
Dutch too. Exact same. My dad said the exact same stuff. It is never ever enough
@@shanikavandermerwe4764 ok snowflake , lets pretend cultural differences are not real
@@CunningStuntsGoFast of course cultural differences are real, but being an emotionally abusive parent is not a cultural trait, it’s a personal one, one that an Asian, African, European or American person can all have.
@@maxdenbreejen9844 yes , that sounds utterly correct and aproved . now go and do a bit of research why asian familys in america produce educated and succesfull offspring . hint ; pushing parents who want results .
The awkward smile on David Coulthard's face during that section where Jos is describing making Max test parts on a freezing wet day... still not always a fan of Max, but my God it is a miracle he's not on a full Joker arc after that childhood.
Where's the line between legitimate coaching, legitimate parenting, and child abuse? I hope Max has a good counsellor......
He earns a $65 million annual salary as a result of all that "child abuse" and he adores his father for what he did for/to him.
You silly little girl 😂
You act like jos beat him with a hammer and dragged him with a rope on the back of his van 😂
You have zero grounding in reality I hope you realise that one day
@@mikemelina7395 might be true but ethically dubious. normalising and even singing praise about what is a difficult and harsh, if not abusive childhood is worrying to see. had that been a random karter who barely made it, everyone would be pissed that this person has been abused and broken down by their parent or whatever, but cause it’s max even the viewers normalise it, when we should call into question, that’s critical engagement
he’s a great driver and he’s won the mental health lottery to take his dad’s behaviour and channel it into becoming one of the greatest in the sport. it probably played a part in bolstering confidence and striving for success, but not in making him faster or smarter. he did that himself.
@@mikemelina7395 no matter how much you earn, it doesn't undo the abuse. And the brainwashin Max has gone through, to still "love" his father.
This isn't normal and shouldn't be normal.
Jos is a psychopath and a narcissist. Especially after reading how Jos wanted to know how he's cart would behave and didn't give a shit that his son was cold. Everything is about Jos, in his eyes. What a piece of shit of a person.
@@jenko6196 Have you ever met a Shaolin monk? Have you any idea what they allow themselves to be put through to become a Shaolin monk? Back on topic, notice how Max is a completely "based", no BS ultra-realist, yet has one of the best senses of humor in the paddock and the largest circle of friends and friendly acquaintances of any of the drivers with the exception of Daniel? Notice how he's been with the same woman, has a beautiful relationship with her daughter and isn't trying to sell anyone anything...my God, it's so refreshing to see a real person with singularity of purpose and talent like that.
He's Ayrton Senna reborn. Max Verstappen is Formula 1's Shaolin monk.
Keep in mind Max moved out of his dad’s house (and into a different country) as soon as he was 18. That says a lot to me
4:48 Savage😂
His story is so weird.
Talent is bred, but it was the talent his father force bred on him so relentlessly (got him in a car at 4yo and made him believe that's what Max wanted) what made him actually survive his father. It's like the grandfather paradox but with racing instead of time travel.
I'm happy for him tho, because he would be extremely miserable if he would've failed to live up to his father's expectations.
Shit parenting sometimes can fluke a world class athlete. DO NOT TRY AT HOME.
@@LUITESLIFE You underestimate the power of an abusive relationship.
People (specially kids) will do anything to apease the abuser, and it becomes second nature to do whatever they think the abuser wants or needs. To insanity levels.
Max is a success story, but there are many many many horror ones out there that follow the same pattern.
As a token. Max wanted to play football. Jos wouldn't allow. How many other things do you think Jos did not allow?
@@LUITESLIFE You're just repeating the same thing. You're wrong. Abuse can make you believe things you don't really believe and act upon them as if it was what you wanted in the first place, up to insanity levels.
I'm not saying that Max is insane, but there are thousands of documented cases of child abuse with the same exact pattern and having the inner drive is not necessary to act upon and continue to do it for years and years with different levels of success.
The abuse (and trauma thereafter) is enough to perform at the top level for long periods of time if you learn the talent like Max did by being stimulated at extremely early age and, by means of abusive behavior, remain blocked out of anything else other than racing. (Pretty much like the Polgar sisters.. do you think they all 3 chose to become Chess players? Do you think they all would have chosen to do it if not by paternal influence?)
I'm not trying to fight you, just saying there's plenty of evidence to build a case about Max, and given his behavior and recurring comments about where he stands regarding racing in general, I do believe he was forced to become a racer and it's something he wouldn't have done without Jos extreme pressure. But what do I know?
@@anameyoucantremember Jos didn't really want him to go racing but one time he went to a track with his mother and he was crying because he wanted a go-kart. Of course the way of parenting from Jos was way too strict but it was Max's choice to race.
@@ollief1693 Yeah, I'd say it's my choice to race too if I saw my father stab a mechanic with a screwdriver. I'd say whatever it takes to keep him from getting mad at me.
@@anameyoucantremember he was 3,5 at the time and with his mother not his father
The trauma Max has experienced. Yes, he’s a three-time world champion, but at what cost? A safe and happy childhood? A healthy relationship with a father and a suitable father figure to look up to? Yes he’s a multi-millionaire. Yes, his father’s “support” has helped get him to where he is. It’s just very unfortunate that Max had to endure such abuse, especially at such a young and impressionable age, to get to where he is. I wish more parents were as kind as Lewis’ father was and is with him. It’s still possible to breed championship mentality with kindness.
1:48 the fact that his dad was so proudly recalling the story of throwing his kid outside into the freezing cold over and over again, just to "test him" in suffering conditions.......yikes. 😶
I mean there's strict parenting and then there's borderline abuse
I always feel incensed when I see Jos on the grid, especially when the commentators and personalities are all happy family with him. He's a piece of shit, he sacrificed everything in his son's life for his own dream and he got it. He got all the glitz, glamour and vicarious satisfaction of being the dad of one of the greatest drivers of all time. Whether Max wanted or enjoys that dream dosn't matter, because it never mattered for a second to Jos. And all he does is throw himself around at anything he deems a threat, he's a bully and a narcissistic prick. I genuinely hope that whether it's in racing or other walks of life Max achieves all he wants and lives a happy life for himself and no one else.
As someone said as a joke once... " Do you know how much childhood trauma it takes to be THAT good at something?" Kind of funny, kind of not...
It must've been the mohawk guy
It was a joke though 😂
And your all acting like it was a philosophical statement 😂
Pathetic 😂
Every time Max says something like that, i just wanna hug him and tell him the awesome person that he is. It's inspiring to see how someone who has been through really bad things can be able to be a great person
Failure dad dumping his insecurities and trauma onto his son. Imagine the person Max would be with a proper parental figure.
For real. Jos is living his own dreams of success through his son’s.
One of the reasons Max is able to deal with the insane pressure of Red Bull… it’s because all that is easy compared to Jos
max is absolutely a beast, emotionaly and in the track. mad respect
max verstappen is that one friend who ur having fun with then randomly begins venting so you yourself has to lock in.
I feel so sorry for him and so angry at his dad. He still seem to hurt. Bless him.
people like max are truly a miracle, most would not have made it
That very first clip is the best I reckon, just Daniel being like "lol what" after hearing Max recount that tale.
Max gets more points in a typical weekend than Jos' entire career
1-compare their cars. 2 I know it sounds weird, but before 2010 there was different points system
@@PlatapusPhuckera gentle reminder that Jos used to be Schumacher's teammates back in his Benetton day.
Sure the point scoring system kinda different, but what Jos drive isn't always shitbox, he was driving for Benetton at their peak FFS, his teammates can be a world champion while he only managed to achieve couple podiums.
@@drmaulana2600 Ugh no shit Sherlock, reason why Jos was struggling in Benetton is exactly the same why Alex Was struggling in RB history repeated itself
@@PlatapusPhuckerAlex? Alex Albon? Why you brings up Alex? Also, Alex is doing better in RB than Jos in Benetton, oh and he's doing fine rn in Williams, so does his short stint in DTM, Jos however, how about you take a gander at his racing record before comparing him to Alex.
Like, ik scoring system back in 90s is different, but OP is completely right, Max getting more points on one weekend, even using 90s scoring (15pts for 1st, etc) than Jos'a entire career, no need to defend Jos here.
@@drmaulana2600 Well idk how the hell you thought that Albon is rb was better than Jos in Benetton. They litterally done same job. Oh and i see absolutely no fkn sense in bringing DTM or Williams(may be if Jos was some team leader he also would have better results)
Every day for the rest of his life he's going to wake up hearing his dad's voice in his head telling him he isn't good enough.
There's a difference between tough love which can make your son into a dedicated and disciplined person, and being a harsh and degrading father causing hurt and problems. Ultimately its helped make max the driver that he is today but I'm sure he would have made it just the same with tough love rather than harsh and hurtful parenting.
His dad doesn’t just look like a prick, he is one. Seems like the kind of person who would kick an animal
Ow stfu. He wanted to make it to f1 so his dad said okay but then we go for it. He spent all his time and money to make sure his son would get his wish as an f1 driver. He drove with Max to all the races, weekend after weekend. Most fathers would say, yeah forget it. That’s love, tough love…but that was needed for him to make it. Without his dad, he wouldn’t be the person he is today. So think about that before criticizing someone from the sideline
@@hiufgterde amazing the lengths people go to justify this behaviour in the name of muh' favourite driver. He did jail time for domestic violence. He is a prick.
@@hiufgterde Jos is a abusive horrible man that is a disgrace to humans. It's not "tough love" it's pure abuse. The less people like Jos in the world, the better.
Did he beat his wife?
kicked his wife 🤷♀️
Even the Spartans are saying "wasn't that a bit harsh, Jos?"
5:20 😂😂 "probably cost the marriage"😂😂
this is why Max is so mature beyond his age (forced to)
I thought he seemed very young. Agree to disagree. 😉
His dad got lucky that he was so tenacious and succeeded. A kid with different personality or talents could have their life absolutely ruined by that parenthood
Some kids stand up to bully parents and leave home adap.
A guy that clearly wasn't enough to do it himself, living vicariously through his son. I get that it's made him the best but Jesus, it's a miracle this man turned out so level headed
He isn't joking even though it might seem like it, people with traumatic childhoods often use humor to deal with it.
Didn't know Max Verstappen worked this hard. Salute to him for his discipline!
homie just got abused, that's not discipline. Discipline is something you don't want to do because you know it's good for you, not because you will get beat for not doing it.
that shows how strong he is to still keep going and trying to stay positive :(
this should go viral 😢
thank u for thisss
I’m a Lewis fan but have to say Max is awesome. People have unnecessary negative opinions about him but I think he’s as humble as anyone could be with the talent he clearly has
Ditto: Right now Lewis is now showing a level of resilience he never new he needed, and I admire him for that. He could easily call it a day. If Max had missed out on his first title, I would be more than happy he is the 'next generation'. As it is, I so want Lewis to get the
eighth he so clearly deserved. That said, Max is an absolutely awesome driver, and as grounded as he could be - having Jos as a father.
@@DJP852795 saying someone 'deserved' a title is a bit weird, he raced in every race just like max. Max just scored more points per race finishes. max deserved it because he drove better across the season.
@@doghat1619 Weird ?! The rules were not applied as they had been for EVERY other race - just for the spectacle. On the basis that they should have been applied as they had been up to that day… he “deserved” the race. And therefore the championship. And consequently the 8th title. Simple. Anyone who can retain his composure through that flagrant manipulation by an authority “deserves” respect. No bitching, no nastiness, a true legend.
@@DJP852795 I mean, the regulations were followed, the teams specifically asked to not end races under safety car finishes after the farce of a race that was spa.
If rules were broken, Mercedes would've actually appealed, they never did, nor did hamilton pursue that route, because they have no leg to stand on.
Hamilton only wins that title in a weird scenario where the race director finishes a race under safety car, despite the track being clear for the last 2 laps.
@@DJP852795 Give the SPECIFIC rules that were broken. The FIA PDF is right there. Go and point it out.
I will wait.
most caring and loving dutch parent pov
It can be very tempting to be this brutal with raising a child, by all means it can make them very good at what they do. But there is a risk you’re taking, and it’s not a small one. The likelihood of the child being confident and resilient enough to take that kind of abuse without developing trauma is genuinely very small. Sure, every once in a while you’ll raise a Max Verstappen, but the vast majority of the time you’re going to put a kid through hell only to give them lingering, lifelong pain. It just happening to work out doesn’t excuse that, raising a child like this is never justified. Jos is unanimously not a good guy.
Yup, you will occasionally hear from a superstar who went through this kind of thing to turn them into who they are, but you won't hear about the hundreds of kids where it absolutely ruined them.
My dad is exactly the same, and we weren’t even training for anything. In fact, this is quite common in NL. Also, this hard side it just one part of the story. Jos also loves Max very much and always tells/shows him that. He sometimes lets his emotions get the best of him but I don’t buy he is unanimously a bad guy.
@@ytwos1 I don’t know, if you take a look at some of the reports about him and his wife, not a great sign
@@ytwos1 anyone who tries to run someone over with a car is a bad guy. He beat max’s mother, fractured a guys skull, dudes a POS.
asian kids everyday
This man assaulted a man on a karting circuit, the man had a fractured skull. He also threaten his ex wife the mother of max
The classic Dutch brutal honesty, honestly no taboos
classic coping mechanism
It is rather unfortunate how he was brought up like this, but it does help explain how Max is the closest thing we have to a perfect racing machine.
This video helped me a lot. I feel enlightened.
"Imagine all the childhood trauma he had to endure for him to be this good." - Rocketpoweredmohawk
Max is lucky that he turned out successful. If he failed to live up to that harsh upbringing, he would have been broken, but have lived no redemption.
At the same, I hate that Jos succeeded in his goal. He can use the fact that his son is dominant today to justify the unjustifiable. That man is a power hungry puppet master, an autocratic failed ex-F1 who projected his failures on his son since the beginning. I am happy that Max became more independent, you can see that he's become a much better person since he became an adult.
Even though Hamilton’s dad wasn’t quite as tough, Hamilton seems to have a similar father son relationship as Max does - Hamilton’s dad was also a tough taskmaster and was the hardest person for Hamilton to impress.
I like to think of Anthony Hamilton as what Jos should've been. Still hard to impress, but not *literally abusive*. not that we know at least
Let’s not talk about the pathetic virtue signalling woke princess shall we
@@zenon459 Yeah there's a line between pressure and abuse and Anthony is on the pressure side for sure.
@@zenon459 absolutely, while i get harsh love jos just seems like a horrible dad and person in general tbh
I don't know about that, but I used to observe some social awkwardness from him sometimes , like trying to be liked but not quite knowing how. I've been there. In the last 5-6 years or so years he seems so much more relaxed and confident in a healthy way though.
Lewis I mean.
honestly it's no surprise this guy is the best racing driver ever if he's litteraly been forced to race his entire life
You can hear Red Bull trying to reprogram him over the radio to not go so hard when he's 24 seconds in the lead because he doesn't always have to be pushing to impress his dad.
My heart broke watching this. At least he has Christian Horner who has been a father figure over the years