You may have missed my previous liquid cooled 9900KS / 2080 Ti build here: ruclips.net/video/dbLugatTfTc/видео.html Also note: The ASUS B450-I Strix comes "Ryzen 3000 ready", which means that you won't need to worry about bios troubles out of the box.
honestly I'm disappointed. Instead of including other (cheaper) itx motherboards from different vendors you pick the impact which is not an itx in the first place.
"Also note: The ASUS B450-I Strix comes Ryzen 3000 ready" ...is that 100% confirmed as i've been looking at this board for a 3600 but seen conflicting info and some saying if you're unlucky and get a baord that's been sat on the shelf for a while it will need a bios update before being able to boot on a 3600?
Ali is one of my favorite content creators. ITX, minimalist aesthetic, and optimized space and equipment are all calming af when done well and this guy gets it!
@@AZmotion I know what you're referring to, but they've recognized that and fixed it. The MSI Meg Godlike and MSI Meg Unify have some of the best ratings out there.
@@AZmotion I would say they each have one model (if you count the Wi-Fi and non WiFi as one) at the $170-200 price point. This seems to be where the X570 MSI Tomahawk will enter. We're also talking ATX boards instead of ITX offerings. I think we're going to have to wait for B550 for more ITX options
I just wanted to mention that there is a mistake in the Video at 3:20. The X570 TB3 DOES have VRM cooling, there is a heatpipe connected to the fan which sits over the chipset
I purchased the B450-I gaming board literally yesterday after weighing out my options. I got no use for anything that the X570 chipset provides over the B450 one. Still happy to see that it seems I made the right choice for me!
what CPU did you use? can you provide your pc specs? I'm trying to build a pc with Asus b450-i and AMD 3600 for my son. what case did you use? Thank you.
Have no idea about ASUS, but on the ASRock X570, chipset fan is annoying *because* they added thin tin cover with slits. Over 4500 RPMs, this whines like crazy. But, just removing that tin cover and the fan is almost inaudible.
@@radiantav It would be great if a X570 chipset fan noise comparison for itx boards is made here since available information is scarce and subjective. I chose a B450 motherboard for my new 3700X build just to be safe, but if I was confident chipset fan noise was a non-issue, I would have chosen a X570 board.
People person well I had the asus x570i and the chipset fan was very loud on mine. It’s a high pitch sound. Bought a b450i instead which does the job just fine.
Once owned a R4E with that tiny fan for the chipset, and it was definitely producing super annoying high pitched noise all the time if you don't play with the fan curve. So my guess is, if you want performance, then yes, it will be loud or annoying. If you want it to be quiet, why not use a B450i since I don't really appreciate the idea of having 3950x in a itx case.
Absolutely Informative. Thank you for this review. I had a ROG B450-i, and having hard time stabilizing my corsair vengeance RGB pro 32GB 3200mhz (16x2). I was afraid at ramping up the voltage higher than 1.35. Now that you have tested it, I'm gonna try it later on my system.
Ali if there's one reason I like your videos, it's how deep you go into your reviews. This was a great way to show why a board is an X vs B series board. Armed with this info I am better equipped about looking at specs more before making a purchase. Thank you sir.
awesome vid! this upload is uncanny as i just completed my itx workstation two weeks ago; ROG x570i, r9 3950x, and completely air cooled (not OC tested yet). even after all of my exhaustive research its nice to see the numbers justify the extra $$ i spent haha, amazing content, keep up the good work, cheers
Personally went with the Asus x570-i because I needed active VRM cooling. For a sandwich case with a 92mm AIO, there's basically 0 airflow over the VRM, so the added fan gave me extra peace of mind.
Difficult to be happier: 3750X cooled by NZXT Kraken X62 280mm w/ two 140mm push fans on a ROG Strix X570-I with an NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2070 Super, Corsair Vengeance RGB PRO 32 GB (2x16) DDR4 3200 (should have gone 3600?) Dual Channel 1599.6 MHz 1:1616:18:18:36 and two Samsung SSD 970 EVO 1 TB NVMe's in a Sliger SM 580 mini-ITX . Cinebench: score of 8629 @ CPU temp of 71C (1 pass), Passmark Perf 9: 6056 overall @ CPU 70C and M.2 52C (9900K dominates in Overall, 2D, Disk but 3950X ~40% higher w/ CPU), & Novabench: 4436 Total for 3950X vs 3574 for 9900K. Great vid. Very helpful. Thank you!
I absolutely love your content! Not only do you build amazing looking machines, but you also care and discuss how the builds function when used. As someone who started building PCs back in the days of the Pentium II Xeon 400 I appreciate this a lot. Keep up the great work!
On one hand, B450 is definitely the option to to with until B550 comes out. But in the other, I'm really too lazy to call AMD for a MOBO upgrade kit to upgrade my motherboard.
actually most b450 boards sold nowadays come with BIOS ready for Ryzen 3000, check w the vendor first just in case, but I bought an ASROCK Fatal1y last week and it was the case for me!
I got the B450-I about a week ago because money :D It was about 120€ and I plan to pair it with Ryzen 5 2600x (because money) thanks for the review! :D Edit: built it, works amazing!
@@jussikayranen5839 i never play games except assetto corsa, i use my pc mainly for cad and cae applications. fem workloads use everything out of your cpu
I don't have an Asus board to confirm this, but one reddit user told me that he managed to override that 75c 100% fan PWM limit with Asus AI Suite instead of tinkering the bios settings.
Likely cooler VRM thermals than the Strix B450-I, but the Strix board is better overall (extra M.2 slot, faster rear I/O, extra PWM fan header, arguably better bios, Ryzen 3000 ready out of the box).
01:44 I must correct you there. The ASRock B450i Fatal1ty does not have a 6-phase and also not a "doubled 3-phase" Vcore VRM. Its got a 3-phase VRM with what's called a twin layout - each two phases are controlled as a single one. The voltage controller runs in 3+2 mode, as it is not even capable of running 6+2 phases. Also there are no doublers physically present on the board. This is usually done on cheaper boards and is definitley nowhere near as good as having six individual phases, since the signal has twice the ripple compared to a VRM running the same components but in a real 6-phase config. Theoretically, a twin layout can potentially help improving the transient, but not on a board with such low end MOSFETs.
Meteor Media - source? I don’t have the board but I read that it was doubled. Either way it’s the weakest of the four there. I’m familiar with a twin layout, it’s how the X570-I and Impact fun.
@@optimumtech Source: I have done testing on all ITX boards on the AM4 platform. On this one, the outputs of each two of the high side MOSFETs are shorted. Also there are no doublers physically present on this board. You can also check the data sheet of the pwm controller, it's an Intersil 95712, capable of running 7 phases, but not the required 8 that would be necessary for real 6+2. For quick reference of all AM4 boards, you might find this spread sheet useful. It was compiled by Toms Hardware and includes multiple sources for each model: docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1wmsTYK9Z3-jUX5LGRoFnsZYZiW1pfiDZnKCjaXyzd1o/edit#gid=2112472504
02:03 Must correct you again. The Asus is actually a lot behind the MSI, as the difference between 40A and 60A smart power stages is massive. The MSIs VRM is not just way more capable overall, but under the same load is going to sit on much more favourable spot in the efficiency curve, thus running more efficiently and cooler which in turns means a longer life span before the MOSFETs seriously start degrading. So no, the Asus is not even close. Worse yet; the Asus is way more expensive (60-80€ more in Europe) and doesn't feature anything to make up for its price tag in a performance oriented scenario.
Any reason the Gigabyte B450 I AORUS PRO WIFI didn't get a mention? It seems to be at a good price here in Aus and comparable to the MSI equivalent (to be fair, I don't know anything about VRM stuff).
Thank you soooo much for this. I’m planing a new build in a NZXT H1 and have been driving myself crazy trying to decide between the two. Now I just need to decide to wait for the B550 to come out or not.
Wish we had thermals for the MSI B450i too, I'd love to see how close you can get to the VRM temps of the X570 boards with it and it's cheaper than the Asus B450-I
this might get blocked due to a link, but on this google doc you can find rough estimations of (nearly) all AM4 boards and there expected performance docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1d9_E3h8bLp-TXr-0zTJFqqVxdCR9daIVNyMatydkpFA/edit#gid=611478281
I have the MSI board and running a 3950x with a Kraken Z63. Handles it comfortably. Temp topped out at mid 70s after 20 mins of prime95 but I wasn’t looking at VRMs
Only problem with the MSi board would be the toasty m.2 temps. If you have an nVMe it would throttle most of the time. Otherwise it beats all of these boards in value since its 2nd best to the crosshair impact in quality VRM.
He is not gonna show it since he is probably sponsored by Asus. But it is obvious, msi has 1.5x power handling capability that lowers vrm temps significantly. Also i am sure he was pushing a lot of air to get vrms cool down. Otherwise with clc and standart air Flow b450i strix vrm Will easily exceed 100c mark especially running blender with oced r9 3950x
@Optimum Tech, I really do love your videos but for graphs like the CPU clock speed at 8:50 would you just include the range of clock speeds that are presented + a little extra I.e. 3000-4500 MHz. This would make it easier for everyone to see the relative difference
All I’ve got is a Ryzen 5 1600 and gtx 1660 super dual fan by Zotac.I want to go small form factor what’s best budget choice for a motherboard. (Yes I wish I had more power but that’s what I got and I can’t afford more than a mobo/case upgrade at the moment..)
I would go micro atx since they are cheapest form factor and still small enough to look clean and elegant with the right parts. Itx is relatively expensive
If you want to go itx then buy the coolermaster nr200 (new, cheap and very popular) and b450i aorus but dont forget itx cases need sfx powersupplies, atx will not fit
I have x570-i Strix and rgb is the first thing I disabled. Also in hindsight, I would have chosen b450 today. Maybe some powerful PCI-E 4 gfx card in a future will change by mind.
I went with the X570-i as well, mainly for the VRM and the fact it's an mITX board as I'm building a SFF system. Being that the VRM and chipset is actively cool I won't have to worry about board thermals in the case I'm going to be using.
Curious why you link but do not discuss at all the Gigabyte x570i. When I was online browsing, this seemed to be the board with the best features at a reasonable pricepoint.
Exceptional video as always! Targeting the SFF niche market with such up to date and quality videos is something I'm sure a lot of peope including myself are thankful for. Top notch quality! I just have a request if you could do the same for an Intel based ITX system as I would like to know which could be the best to handle the i9-9900K and the 5700 XT with possible hackintosh capabilities so like 2 PCIe slots for example. Thanks again!
Awesome video. Ended up getting the Aorus X570 as I wanted dual nvme and it was less expensive than the Asus boards as they have been very difficult to obtain. If you can find one the pricing right now is nuts.
I have the Asus X570-I with a 3700X. I'm having issues with the chipset and VRM fans being really loud while gaming. The CPU and GPU temps and fans are nice but the PCH fan is running at 6300rpm and the HS_fan is running at 1827 rpm. The Motherboard is only at 58 deg C and I can't control the PCH fan in the BIOS.
Hey there, Just came here to leave a like, a sub and a big "Thank You" for the content you've made. I am currently building my System around a Ghost S1 and still have to decide what CPU I'd like to use. You'r videos have been a great inspiration for me to start this build and were extremely helpful. Many thanks! I appreciate it :)
glad to know i made the right choice, I bought the msi b450 for a 3rd gen ryzen 5 and i think i made the best decision possible cos i only plan in having one m2 :)
*VRM lifespan* Plenty of motherboards can support the R9-3900x/R9-3950x in the short term but will kill the VRM's in the long-term. It's not just about handling a short overclock. If you guys have any doubts look into Buildzoid videos. I watched a lot back around AUGUST 2019. Having said that, don't spend much extra either. Do NOT get a borderline VRM solution then use liquid cooling for the CPU as you're going to have even less airflow over the VRM chips. VRM lifespan is mostly about how hot they get and for how long.
I picked up a B450i for my 3700x build. The built-in realtek wifi module card kept giving my system stutters, especially while web browsing and video streaming. Swapped it out with an older Intel card and now system runs smoothly. Was switching from team blue to red, and at first was thinking that AMD Ryzen was overhyped trash haha. So if anyone is having issues, maybe try the wifi card swap!
One other difference I have come across is if you plan on using both m.2 drives the x570 boards don't take lanes away from your GPU like the B450 boards do. Not really an issue right now, but might be with more powerful GPUs down the road.
The only reason I'd not suggest the X570-I is quality control. My board's VRM Chipset tops out at 69.5'C inside an SG-13 with a 3700X and Noctua NH-L12S, and that was due to no thermal pad under the VRM Heatsink. It's been reported by many who experienced loud chipset fans and hot temps. www.reddit.com/r/sffpc/comments/eo5p5c/i_figured_out_why_chipset_was_hot/ Also the top M.2 screws will most likely come worn out of the box. Many complaints on how poorly manufactured the screw heads are making it difficult to remove top M.2 cover. Personally, I think the MSI and Gigabyte BIOS settings are superior for overclocking, ASUS confuses by renaming settings such as DOCP for XMP and removing settings like AMD Cool n Quiet.
Great video overall, though when discussing PCIe I was missing a mention of the second m.2 slot on the B450 taking away half the bandwidth of the x16 slot on that board - while PCIe 4.0 won't have much of an impact for now, halving your GPU bandwidth is likely to if you have a high end GPU.
@@flandrble It's not that much of an issue today (the 2080ti is pretty much the only card that really gets noticeably bottlenecked), but most people upgrade their GPUs once or twice for a build, and who knows how that will play out?
@@flandrble That is true, but again, the difference will only increase with future cards. If a 2080ti loses 2-3% (which, btw is about as much as you get for buying an expensive factory OC card, so clearly matters to people), the next gen flagship will lose more - 10% isn't unlikely, at which point you'd be better off buying the next tier down of GPU anyhow. And who knows for the generation after that? As I said: motherboards and CPUs tend to last through 2-3 GPUs, so planning to hit the limit with current hardware is rather shortsighted.
@@Kraaketaer Games don't use the PCIe bus the same way as synthetic PCIe 4.0 benchmarks do, throughout the years we've only ever seen 2-3% drops in performance, even dropping back to a 4 lane slot is still well below 10%. The only reason you see eGPUs with larger losses is because they need to feed back the raw video signal through the bus, which can be 20Gbit or more which brings the slot speed down to less than 2x worth. As for 3% being an OC, there's more than 3% variance depending on the weather due to how boost works.
You're really being a bit critical of VRM thermals. It's not a CPU. VRMs are fine at 120°c, perhaps higher. Their lifetime is rated at 120°c. 80° is absolutely fine under any condition.
... I built a miniITX PC two days ago. Using the B450I. What is this sorcery??? Anyway, I see I did make the right decision. Personally, I went with B450 due to cost, and the fact that the added benefits of X570 do not add value for me. So good to see it's for practical purposes, the same. BTW, I also had issues with DOCP my 3600MHz RAM. It was previously installed in a X570 system, and worked perfectly fine. With the B450, I had to increase DRAM Voltage from 1.35 to 1.37. Rock stable now.
The MSI Gaming Plus AC is also one of the cheapest boards now ($150-160 CAD) which makes it a great choice. I’ve been running one everyday for two years as my work computer. Highly recommended.
I went X570, R7 3700X, and am still trying different coolers. Liquid cooling isn't an option I want to attempt as the main reason I went ITX initially is the space constraints of being a trucker (and trucks bounce and shake like you wouldn't believe... 🤢)
I purchased the MSI B450i w/a 3700 and a Pulsefire 5700xt. It has not been a good time. I get frequent shut downs and blue screens. I held on thinking that it was bios updates and now Amazon won’t allow me to return anything. It’s been frustrating to say the least. I regret not going 570 and nvidea 2070 super.
I have a simple rule of thumb when someone asks me if they should choose between a B450 and X570. If it's anything higher than a 3600, then X570. 3600 and below, B450 is a better bet. Of course that's not really a one-size fits all advice but it's a helpful guideline to start from.
Agree hes the king on covering most things itx. Atleast the boards and cases I'm interested in to. Buying a new b450i board now. Got a sweet deal on 3700x but having issues on x370 after updating. So mees to make sure cpu is good.
This guy really does his research base off just looking at the Asus STRIX X570-i. Look at how he replaced the screws for the chipset and m.2 heatsink. Brass screws? Those are not the screws that come stock out of the box. The standard screws are pure crap. Lots of people are not able to unscrew that heatsink to access the m.2 slot. Mine came with the screws already partially stripped from someone at the factory installing them. HUGE warning if anyone wants to buy this particular board. Replace the screws, or in my case- Don't tighten in any degree at all, just attach the screws and let the thermal pad apply light pressure on the m.2 SSD so you can still remove the screws using a long nose plier/tweezers. Otherwise, you risk permanently damaging that part. Asus really has designed this board SOO well but provided the cheapest screws.
They had 20+ in stock 5 days ago. www.centralcomputer.com/asus-rog-strix-x570-i-gaming-x570-amd-mitx-gamingmotherboard-with-pcie-4-0-aura-sync-rgb-lighting-intel-gigabit-lan.html
Could you make a video like this but the Intel route? Looking to build a new ITX build this summer (that is if the current COVID-19 situation doesn’t inflate the prices) and would love to get a better idea of the actual numbers and tests between motherboards, rather than just reading a spec online. Thanks!
I have the X570i strix... Love the board but I gotta say tweaking RAM on this board in a case is a nightmare since there is no reset bios button. Other than that, Its been a great casual OC board for me so far.
I have a different board. But, the same issue. Any tweaks that don't stick- can cause a system hang. Where the only way to fix it, is if you're willing to poke a metal bit into where the header is... Right next to your expensive GPU.
Very detailed video. I have an Asus z390i itx though for my 9900k. But AMD has really stepped up and come such a long way. If I was to go ryzen I do like the strix board. I think it looks better.
The Intel version of this video convinced me to buy the z390 asrock itx gaming oc I'm really happy with it. the only downside is that it doesn't have a USB-C connector for my case
Hi! Firstly, thank you for your informative videos. You've really helped me navigate building my SFF build. I'm having some issues finding the MSI B450i MB you mention in the video. The link you provided points to a version that supports 32gb max memory, not 64. Can you or anyone else please clarify? Thanks!
I built my first ever pc about 1 1/2 years ago and went with the asus x570-i. There are definitely some problems with it, but the pros completely outweigh the cons! Its a fantastic motherboard and will buy it again if somthing happens to this one 😂
So the NR200 supports 4x120mm fans and 1x92mm. But the ROG Strix x570-i only has 3 fan ports. So 2 on the bottom, 2 on top, 2 from the air-cooler, and 1 for the rear and you got yourself 3 fans on the board (with the split cable) and 1 missing for the rear. Is there a way to solve this with this motherboard and use all the fans your case allows you to?
I'm wondering how much B450i VRM thermals would improve with air-cooled CPU fan pushed towards the motherboard in my current 3700X/NH-L12S configuration. This video helps justify the wait for Zen4/DDR5 as my next upgrade target. Keep up the superb videos!!
Got 3900x (no O.C.) on Asus x570i / Noctua NH-U9S / Cougar QBX: Render in Corona gives short jumps up to 107C at the start. After a couple of minutes the temperature levels off and stays at 89-90C (AIDA64) PCH diode shows 72C. And for some reason there is no VRM sensor. Before that, I had an Aorus b450-i pro wi-fi, for which AIDA displayed a VRM sensor, and it reached 123C in three minutes, because of what it was decided to change a motherboard. It seems, that the thermals are quite acceptable now, but the condition оf VRM is now a mystery to me. I would be extremely grateful for some practical advice.
I have owned both the B450-I strix and the x470-I Strix and the only difference I noticed was how far I could overclock my RAM. Was able to get an extra 200Mtps out of the x470 board.
The larger "Impact" board should not be part of this comparison IMO. Add prices to your mobo feature matrix, so you can compare what you are getting. Professional video tho, great work
Thanks for the comparison. I have a 3800X paired with the X470-I Strixx and can run my Micron E die at 3600Mhz XMP, and my B-Die Samsung 3200Mhz CL14 at XMP. Both at 1.35v.
Have you been kicking around the idea of swapping from team blue to team red in your personal build? Is it possible to fit one of these boards into your current setup?
You may have missed my previous liquid cooled 9900KS / 2080 Ti build here: ruclips.net/video/dbLugatTfTc/видео.html
Also note: The ASUS B450-I Strix comes "Ryzen 3000 ready", which means that you won't need to worry about bios troubles out of the box.
honestly I'm disappointed. Instead of including other (cheaper) itx motherboards from different vendors you pick the impact which is not an itx in the first place.
What's the chances of you doing a Ryzen build inside the Corsair One case? Do you think it's even possible?
@@hhcollective this would be an amazing idea for a good 20 min video, i wish he would do it :(
Do a comparison between all the x570 itx mobos
"Also note: The ASUS B450-I Strix comes Ryzen 3000 ready"
...is that 100% confirmed as i've been looking at this board for a 3600 but seen conflicting info and some saying if you're unlucky and get a baord that's been sat on the shelf for a while it will need a bios update before being able to boot on a 3600?
When it comes to ITX, Optimum Tech always nails at it!
Ali is one of my favorite content creators. ITX, minimalist aesthetic, and optimized space and equipment are all calming af when done well and this guy gets it!
@@Just_Call_Me_Tim yes, he is a professional tech reviewer loved by the community. Hope he keeps updating us with thorough reviews and news.
Dude how do you know what we want
I have been waiting for this video for soo long
Thank you soo much
Well, since you have been waiting for soo long, he didnt know. You just waited for soo long, that he did it.
I've build this setup about 8 months ago, without waiting ;)
Same, i have been waiting a loong time
When you can't find what you want out there, you make it!
He is reading our minds thru the internet verse. LOL
Your channel has quickly become one of my favorites on RUclips!
Wanted to see the MSI b450i vs x570 since it has the best VRMs of the 450 boards, but you generally do great work, keep it up
But MSIs X570 boards have the WORST VRMs out of all the options
@@AZmotion I know what you're referring to, but they've recognized that and fixed it. The MSI Meg Godlike and MSI Meg Unify have some of the best ratings out there.
@@johngamble5270 still not the best. Aorus' and Asus' motherboards at the same price points still have better VRMs and overall features.
I too would like to see maybe a b450 lineup vs the 3950X
@@AZmotion I would say they each have one model (if you count the Wi-Fi and non WiFi as one) at the $170-200 price point. This seems to be where the X570 MSI Tomahawk will enter. We're also talking ATX boards instead of ITX offerings. I think we're going to have to wait for B550 for more ITX options
Dude I'm so happy I found your channel, I'm in the process of planning and doing an ITX build and you have so much good info.
Love to see this test redone with the 5900x and 5950x they have more power efficiency and I’d be curious to see how the b450i holds up.
Never been happier to own the Strix B450i. Suuuper relevant vid Optimum. Tysm
@SmashStomp Inc the previous BIOS sets the fclk just fine, just rollback, it's faster than the agesa 1.0.0.4 bios anyway.
does it have bluetooth?
@@hansihinterweltler1198 yes
I just wanted to mention that there is a mistake in the Video at 3:20. The X570 TB3 DOES have VRM cooling, there is a heatpipe connected to the fan which sits over the chipset
Bottom line: B450i is enough.
@danny boy 3900X works just fine on the B450-I here even in a tight case with minimal airflow.
depends on the IO, some people want USB-C ports
@@jtothewa4858 The ASRock B450i has a USB-C port.
I agree with you and this video does showcase this fact for us. (:
I got my x570 asus itx love it
I purchased the B450-I gaming board literally yesterday after weighing out my options. I got no use for anything that the X570 chipset provides over the B450 one. Still happy to see that it seems I made the right choice for me!
I went with a Aorus B450-I Pro Wifi from Gigabyte
X570 has pci-e gen 4 for high speed nvme drives but B450 is still at gen 3
From where? I've been trying to get the Asus ROG Strix for over a month and they're either priced above $250 or just unavailable.
@@MrStrizver microcenter has them in stock. You can order them online. I ordered mine from them yesterday.
what CPU did you use? can you provide your pc specs? I'm trying to build a pc with Asus b450-i and AMD 3600 for my son. what case did you use? Thank you.
You are clearly the SFF King on RUclips
Are any of the fans on these boards loud? I've never had a board with active cooling so I have no reference for these small fans.
Have no idea about ASUS, but on the ASRock X570, chipset fan is annoying *because* they added thin tin cover with slits. Over 4500 RPMs, this whines like crazy. But, just removing that tin cover and the fan is almost inaudible.
@@radiantav It would be great if a X570 chipset fan noise comparison for itx boards is made here since available information is scarce and subjective. I chose a B450 motherboard for my new 3700X build just to be safe, but if I was confident chipset fan noise was a non-issue, I would have chosen a X570 board.
People person well I had the asus x570i and the chipset fan was very loud on mine. It’s a high pitch sound. Bought a b450i instead which does the job just fine.
Once owned a R4E with that tiny fan for the chipset, and it was definitely producing super annoying high pitched noise all the time if you don't play with the fan curve.
So my guess is, if you want performance, then yes, it will be loud or annoying.
If you want it to be quiet, why not use a B450i since I don't really appreciate the idea of having 3950x in a itx case.
My Gigabyte Aorus x570i is inaudible
Absolutely Informative. Thank you for this review. I had a ROG B450-i, and having hard time stabilizing my corsair vengeance RGB pro 32GB 3200mhz (16x2). I was afraid at ramping up the voltage higher than 1.35. Now that you have tested it, I'm gonna try it later on my system.
Extremely good video, a must to know for Ryzen users. Congrats Ali!
Thank you sooooo much for making this vid I am ordering the parts for my new PC in a few days and this helped tremendously!
I watch this channel more than any other channel. Obsessed with SFF.
Ali if there's one reason I like your videos, it's how deep you go into your reviews. This was a great way to show why a board is an X vs B series board. Armed with this info I am better equipped about looking at specs more before making a purchase. Thank you sir.
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Thank you......... I just needed this comparison.👌👍
awesome vid! this upload is uncanny as i just completed my itx workstation two weeks ago; ROG x570i, r9 3950x, and completely air cooled (not OC tested yet). even after all of my exhaustive research its nice to see the numbers justify the extra $$ i spent haha, amazing content, keep up the good work, cheers
How does it work with only air?
at the moment i have:
corsair h60
asus 570 i
r9 3900x
Personally went with the Asus x570-i because I needed active VRM cooling. For a sandwich case with a 92mm AIO, there's basically 0 airflow over the VRM, so the added fan gave me extra peace of mind.
I've been waiting for this! Thanks!
Difficult to be happier: 3750X cooled by NZXT Kraken X62 280mm w/ two 140mm push fans on a ROG Strix X570-I with an NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2070 Super, Corsair Vengeance RGB PRO 32 GB (2x16) DDR4 3200 (should have gone 3600?) Dual Channel 1599.6 MHz 1:16 16:18:18:36 and two Samsung SSD 970 EVO 1 TB NVMe's in a Sliger SM 580 mini-ITX
. Cinebench: score of 8629 @ CPU temp of 71C (1 pass), Passmark Perf 9: 6056 overall @ CPU 70C and M.2 52C (9900K dominates in Overall, 2D, Disk but 3950X ~40% higher w/ CPU), & Novabench: 4436 Total for 3950X vs 3574 for 9900K. Great vid. Very helpful. Thank you!
I absolutely love your content! Not only do you build amazing looking machines, but you also care and discuss how the builds function when used.
As someone who started building PCs back in the days of the Pentium II Xeon 400 I appreciate this a lot.
Keep up the great work!
I bought the Impact VIII because it has USB-C front header and I couldn't find any other ITX-ish board that had one for my Ncase V6 build.
37 thumbs down wtf! Love your reviews! Keep up the good work!
Great timing on this video, as I just bought the ROG B450i! Just waiting on my NZXT H1 to ship...... -.-
I've got the same build in mind. With a 1660 super.
On one hand, B450 is definitely the option to to with until B550 comes out.
But in the other, I'm really too lazy to call AMD for a MOBO upgrade kit to upgrade my motherboard.
I actually just went to a friend with a 2600 and updated my bios there, took less than 30minutes :D
actually most b450 boards sold nowadays come with BIOS ready for Ryzen 3000, check w the vendor first just in case, but I bought an ASROCK Fatal1y last week and it was the case for me!
B550 is out as proprietary only at the moment, it is a slightly upgraded 450
I got the B450-I about a week ago because money :D It was about 120€ and I plan to pair it with Ryzen 5 2600x (because money)
thanks for the review! :D
Edit: built it, works amazing!
Using the b450-i strix with a 3700x. Planning to upgrade for a 16 core in some months
hmu if you trying to send that 3700x over lol
stai attento che te pia foco
Fortnite needs cores
@@jussikayranen5839 i never play games except assetto corsa, i use my pc mainly for cad and cae applications. fem workloads use everything out of your cpu
I don't have an Asus board to confirm this, but one reddit user told me that he managed to override that 75c 100% fan PWM limit with Asus AI Suite instead of tinkering the bios settings.
I'll give that a shot!
Had the Asus B450-I but didn't really like a few things about the layout and BIOS. Returned it for the Gigabyte x570 I and have been a bit happier.
I"m curious how the MSI B450i will perform vs. Asus B450-i.
Likely cooler VRM thermals than the Strix B450-I, but the Strix board is better overall (extra M.2 slot, faster rear I/O, extra PWM fan header, arguably better bios, Ryzen 3000 ready out of the box).
lot of awesome info on the b450 v x570 - thanks for these videos and potentially saving me some money ^__^
Can i connect the B450i motherboard to a USB C case port?
After a week of research, I've found out that the answer is *NO*
Due to the lack of a front header on the Mobo.
01:44 I must correct you there. The ASRock B450i Fatal1ty does not have a 6-phase and also not a "doubled 3-phase" Vcore VRM. Its got a 3-phase VRM with what's called a twin layout - each two phases are controlled as a single one. The voltage controller runs in 3+2 mode, as it is not even capable of running 6+2 phases. Also there are no doublers physically present on the board.
This is usually done on cheaper boards and is definitley nowhere near as good as having six individual phases, since the signal has twice the ripple compared to a VRM running the same components but in a real 6-phase config. Theoretically, a twin layout can potentially help improving the transient, but not on a board with such low end MOSFETs.
Meteor Media - source? I don’t have the board but I read that it was doubled. Either way it’s the weakest of the four there. I’m familiar with a twin layout, it’s how the X570-I and Impact fun.
@@optimumtech Source: I have done testing on all ITX boards on the AM4 platform. On this one, the outputs of each two of the high side MOSFETs are shorted. Also there are no doublers physically present on this board. You can also check the data sheet of the pwm controller, it's an Intersil 95712, capable of running 7 phases, but not the required 8 that would be necessary for real 6+2.
For quick reference of all AM4 boards, you might find this spread sheet useful. It was compiled by Toms Hardware and includes multiple sources for each model: docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1wmsTYK9Z3-jUX5LGRoFnsZYZiW1pfiDZnKCjaXyzd1o/edit#gid=2112472504
02:03 Must correct you again. The Asus is actually a lot behind the MSI, as the difference between 40A and 60A smart power stages is massive. The MSIs VRM is not just way more capable overall, but under the same load is going to sit on much more favourable spot in the efficiency curve, thus running more efficiently and cooler which in turns means a longer life span before the MOSFETs seriously start degrading. So no, the Asus is not even close. Worse yet; the Asus is way more expensive (60-80€ more in Europe) and doesn't feature anything to make up for its price tag in a performance oriented scenario.
just when i was looking for a good itx mother board your video came along.....thanks mate! really helped me decide!
Any reason the Gigabyte B450 I AORUS PRO WIFI didn't get a mention? It seems to be at a good price here in Aus and comparable to the MSI equivalent (to be fair, I don't know anything about VRM stuff).
It's a fine board and costs much less, he's just over dramatic about these boards and VRM.
I order the x570i ROG strix. Should I get the aorus x570i instead?
I've recently upgraded my B450 Mini ITX board from an Athlon to a Ryzen 5 2600x and the performance just feels great now. :)
Great little board. :D
Jeez the production quality is insane.
Thank you soooo much for this. I’m planing a new build in a NZXT H1 and have been driving myself crazy trying to decide between the two. Now I just need to decide to wait for the B550 to come out or not.
Wish we had thermals for the MSI B450i too, I'd love to see how close you can get to the VRM temps of the X570 boards with it and it's cheaper than the Asus B450-I
Same, my only interest was to see that board's stats..
this might get blocked due to a link, but on this google doc you can find rough estimations of (nearly) all AM4 boards and there expected performance docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1d9_E3h8bLp-TXr-0zTJFqqVxdCR9daIVNyMatydkpFA/edit#gid=611478281
I have the MSI board and running a 3950x with a Kraken Z63. Handles it comfortably. Temp topped out at mid 70s after 20 mins of prime95 but I wasn’t looking at VRMs
Only problem with the MSi board would be the toasty m.2 temps. If you have an nVMe it would throttle most of the time.
Otherwise it beats all of these boards in value since its 2nd best to the crosshair impact in quality VRM.
He is not gonna show it since he is probably sponsored by Asus. But it is obvious, msi has 1.5x power handling capability that lowers vrm temps significantly. Also i am sure he was pushing a lot of air to get vrms cool down. Otherwise with clc and standart air Flow b450i strix vrm Will easily exceed 100c mark especially running blender with oced r9 3950x
@Optimum Tech, I really do love your videos but for graphs like the CPU clock speed at 8:50 would you just include the range of clock speeds that are presented + a little extra I.e. 3000-4500 MHz. This would make it easier for everyone to see the relative difference
All I’ve got is a Ryzen 5 1600 and gtx 1660 super dual fan by Zotac.I want to go small form factor what’s best budget choice for a motherboard. (Yes I wish I had more power but that’s what I got and I can’t afford more than a mobo/case upgrade at the moment..)
I would go micro atx since they are cheapest form factor and still small enough to look clean and elegant with the right parts. Itx is relatively expensive
If you want to go itx then buy the coolermaster nr200 (new, cheap and very popular) and b450i aorus but dont forget itx cases need sfx powersupplies, atx will not fit
Zeronin that was very helpful and I’ll be able to get a lot better measurements before I choose my case. Thanks 🙏🏽
I have the x570-i strix and I love the rgb!
I have x570-i Strix and rgb is the first thing I disabled. Also in hindsight, I would have chosen b450 today. Maybe some powerful PCI-E 4 gfx card in a future will change by mind.
I went with the X570-i as well, mainly for the VRM and the fact it's an mITX board as I'm building a SFF system. Being that the VRM and chipset is actively cool I won't have to worry about board thermals in the case I'm going to be using.
You are going to worry if you use CPU cooler that blows hot air down the motherboard like stock AMD cooler.
@@reav3rtm nope
@@reav3rtm I have axp-90
Curious why you link but do not discuss at all the Gigabyte x570i. When I was online browsing, this seemed to be the board with the best features at a reasonable pricepoint.
he did.
can I cool the B450 or x570 with just air-cooling? maybe a low-profile Noctua fan?
With ryzen 3/5 and no overclocking yes
@@zeronin4696 what about ryzen 3950x no overclocking?
Awesome video! Hope to see the B550 comes to compare later
Exceptional video as always! Targeting the SFF niche market with such up to date and quality videos is something I'm sure a lot of peope including myself are thankful for. Top notch quality! I just have a request if you could do the same for an Intel based ITX system as I would like to know which could be the best to handle the i9-9900K and the 5700 XT with possible hackintosh capabilities so like 2 PCIe slots for example. Thanks again!
Outside of maybe DTX boards, I don't know of any ITX main boards that have two PCIe slots (if you're meaning the x8/x16 lanes used for gpus).
Awesome video. Ended up getting the Aorus X570 as I wanted dual nvme and it was less expensive than the Asus boards as they have been very difficult to obtain. If you can find one the pricing right now is nuts.
I have the Asus X570-I with a 3700X. I'm having issues with the chipset and VRM fans being really loud while gaming. The CPU and GPU temps and fans are nice but the PCH fan is running at 6300rpm and the HS_fan is running at 1827 rpm. The Motherboard is only at 58 deg C and I can't control the PCH fan in the BIOS.
Really enjoying your videos, keep up the great content
Hey there,
Just came here to leave a like, a sub and a big "Thank You" for the content you've made.
I am currently building my System around a Ghost S1 and still have to decide what CPU I'd like to use.
You'r videos have been a great inspiration for me to start this build and were extremely helpful.
Many thanks!
I appreciate it :)
Finally, I need this video.
glad to know i made the right choice, I bought the msi b450 for a 3rd gen ryzen 5 and i think i made the best decision possible cos i only plan in having one m2 :)
Did you have to flash for an updated bios? Or does the 2020 b450i come with 3rd ryzen support now...?
it might be worth mentioning, that the second m.2 on the b450 i is sharing bandwith with the x16 pcie slot. When using it, the slot only runs in x8
Yeah, but unless you're using something like 2080Ti, PCI-E x8 is totally fine.
Something I have to consider in my future builds
*VRM lifespan*
Plenty of motherboards can support the R9-3900x/R9-3950x in the short term but will kill the VRM's in the long-term. It's not just about handling a short overclock. If you guys have any doubts look into Buildzoid videos. I watched a lot back around AUGUST 2019. Having said that, don't spend much extra either. Do NOT get a borderline VRM solution then use liquid cooling for the CPU as you're going to have even less airflow over the VRM chips. VRM lifespan is mostly about how hot they get and for how long.
I picked up a B450i for my 3700x build. The built-in realtek wifi module card kept giving my system stutters, especially while web browsing and video streaming. Swapped it out with an older Intel card and now system runs smoothly. Was switching from team blue to red, and at first was thinking that AMD Ryzen was overhyped trash haha. So if anyone is having issues, maybe try the wifi card swap!
I just bought an x570i strix. I chose the more expensive one because I know it would serve me better in the long run with no regrets.
Nice work! This is what I really want to know. It will be better if you can test the ram overclocking.
One other difference I have come across is if you plan on using both m.2 drives the x570 boards don't take lanes away from your GPU like the B450 boards do. Not really an issue right now, but might be with more powerful GPUs down the road.
The only reason I'd not suggest the X570-I is quality control. My board's VRM Chipset tops out at 69.5'C inside an SG-13 with a 3700X and Noctua NH-L12S, and that was due to no thermal pad under the VRM Heatsink. It's been reported by many who experienced loud chipset fans and hot temps.
www.reddit.com/r/sffpc/comments/eo5p5c/i_figured_out_why_chipset_was_hot/
Also the top M.2 screws will most likely come worn out of the box. Many complaints on how poorly manufactured the screw heads are making it difficult to remove top M.2 cover. Personally, I think the MSI and Gigabyte BIOS settings are superior for overclocking, ASUS confuses by renaming settings such as DOCP for XMP and removing settings like AMD Cool n Quiet.
Great video overall, though when discussing PCIe I was missing a mention of the second m.2 slot on the B450 taking away half the bandwidth of the x16 slot on that board - while PCIe 4.0 won't have much of an impact for now, halving your GPU bandwidth is likely to if you have a high end GPU.
It's fine with a 1080Ti here, and I doubt it's a real issue in return for the extra NVMe capacity.
@@flandrble It's not that much of an issue today (the 2080ti is pretty much the only card that really gets noticeably bottlenecked), but most people upgrade their GPUs once or twice for a build, and who knows how that will play out?
@@Kraaketaer Even with a 2080Ti the difference between gen 3 8x and gen 3 16x is 2-3% at most.
@@flandrble That is true, but again, the difference will only increase with future cards. If a 2080ti loses 2-3% (which, btw is about as much as you get for buying an expensive factory OC card, so clearly matters to people), the next gen flagship will lose more - 10% isn't unlikely, at which point you'd be better off buying the next tier down of GPU anyhow. And who knows for the generation after that? As I said: motherboards and CPUs tend to last through 2-3 GPUs, so planning to hit the limit with current hardware is rather shortsighted.
@@Kraaketaer Games don't use the PCIe bus the same way as synthetic PCIe 4.0 benchmarks do, throughout the years we've only ever seen 2-3% drops in performance, even dropping back to a 4 lane slot is still well below 10%. The only reason you see eGPUs with larger losses is because they need to feed back the raw video signal through the bus, which can be 20Gbit or more which brings the slot speed down to less than 2x worth.
As for 3% being an OC, there's more than 3% variance depending on the weather due to how boost works.
I have the X570-i with 3950x, its also very well at FaH
You're really being a bit critical of VRM thermals. It's not a CPU. VRMs are fine at 120°c, perhaps higher. Their lifetime is rated at 120°c. 80° is absolutely fine under any condition.
... I built a miniITX PC two days ago. Using the B450I. What is this sorcery???
Anyway, I see I did make the right decision. Personally, I went with B450 due to cost, and the fact that the added benefits of X570 do not add value for me. So good to see it's for practical purposes, the same.
BTW, I also had issues with DOCP my 3600MHz RAM. It was previously installed in a X570 system, and worked perfectly fine. With the B450, I had to increase DRAM Voltage from 1.35 to 1.37. Rock stable now.
The MSI Gaming Plus AC is also one of the cheapest boards now ($150-160 CAD) which makes it a great choice. I’ve been running one everyday for two years as my work computer. Highly recommended.
I wish this video came out 1 week ago lol. Just got my ITX B450. Which if I'm frank, I love.
Which one did you get Frank?
@@simonbaker7462 The Gigabyte Auros B450 Pro Wifi and a AMD 3600 CPU.
I went X570, R7 3700X, and am still trying different coolers. Liquid cooling isn't an option I want to attempt as the main reason I went ITX initially is the space constraints of being a trucker (and trucks bounce and shake like you wouldn't believe... 🤢)
I purchased the MSI B450i w/a 3700 and a Pulsefire 5700xt. It has not been a good time. I get frequent shut downs and blue screens. I held on thinking that it was bios updates and now Amazon won’t allow me to return anything. It’s been frustrating to say the least. I regret not going 570 and nvidea 2070 super.
I have a simple rule of thumb when someone asks me if they should choose between a B450 and X570. If it's anything higher than a 3600, then X570. 3600 and below, B450 is a better bet. Of course that's not really a one-size fits all advice but it's a helpful guideline to start from.
Agree hes the king on covering most things itx. Atleast the boards and cases I'm interested in to. Buying a new b450i board now. Got a sweet deal on 3700x but having issues on x370 after updating. So mees to make sure cpu is good.
This guy really does his research base off just looking at the Asus STRIX X570-i. Look at how he replaced the screws for the chipset and m.2 heatsink. Brass screws? Those are not the screws that come stock out of the box. The standard screws are pure crap. Lots of people are not able to unscrew that heatsink to access the m.2 slot. Mine came with the screws already partially stripped from someone at the factory installing them. HUGE warning if anyone wants to buy this particular board. Replace the screws, or in my case- Don't tighten in any degree at all, just attach the screws and let the thermal pad apply light pressure on the m.2 SSD so you can still remove the screws using a long nose plier/tweezers. Otherwise, you risk permanently damaging that part. Asus really has designed this board SOO well but provided the cheapest screws.
OR wait for B550 since the ASUS ROG X570-I Strix isn't in stock anywhere :(
They had 20+ in stock 5 days ago.
www.centralcomputer.com/asus-rog-strix-x570-i-gaming-x570-amd-mitx-gamingmotherboard-with-pcie-4-0-aura-sync-rgb-lighting-intel-gigabit-lan.html
It’s instock at Newegg now
Could you make a video like this but the Intel route? Looking to build a new ITX build this summer (that is if the current COVID-19 situation doesn’t inflate the prices) and would love to get a better idea of the actual numbers and tests between motherboards, rather than just reading a spec online. Thanks!
I have the X570i strix... Love the board but I gotta say tweaking RAM on this board in a case is a nightmare since there is no reset bios button. Other than that, Its been a great casual OC board for me so far.
I have a different board. But, the same issue. Any tweaks that don't stick- can cause a system hang. Where the only way to fix it, is if you're willing to poke a metal bit into where the header is... Right next to your expensive GPU.
Love it I’m a itx fan, keep them coming , I wish gigabyte would make a x570 xtreme version I would buy it in a heart beat
They do
Very detailed video. I have an Asus z390i itx though for my 9900k. But AMD has really stepped up and come such a long way. If I was to go ryzen I do like the strix board. I think it looks better.
Great video as always. Just about six weeks late for me. Turns out you can't really go wrong though, so good deal.
The Intel version of this video convinced me to buy the z390 asrock itx gaming oc
I'm really happy with it.
the only downside is that it doesn't have a USB-C connector for my case
I still have one thanks to him
Couldn't the high vrm temperatures be solved by copper modding the vrm cooling? I'd like to see how that would change the temps
Hi! Firstly, thank you for your informative videos. You've really helped me navigate building my SFF build. I'm having some issues finding the MSI B450i MB you mention in the video. The link you provided points to a version that supports 32gb max memory, not 64. Can you or anyone else please clarify? Thanks!
Sad thing is that it's no longer a discussion of which is better and/or best fits your budget... it's about trying to find one that's in stock lol
I built my first ever pc about 1 1/2 years ago and went with the asus x570-i. There are definitely some problems with it, but the pros completely outweigh the cons! Its a fantastic motherboard and will buy it again if somthing happens to this one 😂
I've always kinda second guessed my ASUS B450-I purchase for future 3950x upgrades, but thank you so much for this.
How loud is the x570-I board?
So the NR200 supports 4x120mm fans and 1x92mm. But the ROG Strix x570-i only has 3 fan ports. So 2 on the bottom, 2 on top, 2 from the air-cooler, and 1 for the rear and you got yourself 3 fans on the board (with the split cable) and 1 missing for the rear. Is there a way to solve this with this motherboard and use all the fans your case allows you to?
You just summoned a 3950x from thin air 😂
I'm wondering how much B450i VRM thermals would improve with air-cooled CPU fan pushed towards the motherboard in my current 3700X/NH-L12S configuration. This video helps justify the wait for Zen4/DDR5 as my next upgrade target. Keep up the superb videos!!
Got 3900x (no O.C.) on Asus x570i / Noctua NH-U9S / Cougar QBX: Render in Corona gives short jumps up to 107C at the start. After a couple of minutes the temperature levels off and stays at 89-90C (AIDA64) PCH diode shows 72C. And for some reason there is no VRM sensor. Before that, I had an Aorus b450-i pro wi-fi, for which AIDA displayed a VRM sensor, and it reached 123C in three minutes, because of what it was decided to change a motherboard. It seems, that the thermals are quite acceptable now, but the condition оf VRM is now a mystery to me. I would be extremely grateful for some practical advice.
Does anyone else feel like this channel makes videos just for them? I was just shopping for an AM4 ITX mobo
You deserve more subscribers! Great vid quality
I have b450i msi gaming. Couldnt be any happier
I have owned both the B450-I strix and the x470-I Strix and the only difference I noticed was how far I could overclock my RAM. Was able to get an extra 200Mtps out of the x470 board.
The larger "Impact" board should not be part of this comparison IMO. Add prices to your mobo feature matrix, so you can compare what you are getting. Professional video tho, great work
Thanks for the comparison. I have a 3800X paired with the X470-I Strixx and can run my Micron E die at 3600Mhz XMP, and my B-Die Samsung 3200Mhz CL14 at XMP. Both at 1.35v.
Have you been kicking around the idea of swapping from team blue to team red in your personal build? Is it possible to fit one of these boards into your current setup?