@@Theo_Skeptomai Atheists: "Magical talking fairy rocks informed the truine god who's name is 'Evolution, Time, and Chance' that humans need rules to peacefully co-exist, therefore the god who's name is 'Evolution, Time, and Chance' grabbed the magical talking fairy rocks, inserted the chemicals into a delicately designed DNA, and then blew life into the body". Atheism is dumb nonsense. Shame on you.
Here is the answer that Cliffe is missing. The word for "eternal" hell is aion and can just mean age. In Matthew 24 the disciples ask Jesus what will be the signs of the end of this world. World is aion here. So you gotta keep in mind that certain people had motives geared towards keeping people afraid of burning forever and making you pay $ for your own salvation. Luke 16 mentions a gulf. There is a good side and a bad side. Think to yourself. How could we enjoy heaven if all of the goody goodies are on one side and right next store there's a boiling pit of lava where people are not just burning for billions of years, but trillions upon trillions of years. How could a loving God allow that? And how could we enjoy heaven if one of our loved ones didn't make it? No, after the 1000 years they are blotted out. It's as if they never existed. Gone from our memories and gone from our lives for good. They burn up like fat to a spiddle and the smoke of their ashes go up forever and ever. Revelation 20:14 “And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.”God is a consuming fire and I'm not saying He is that lake of fire, but he indeed can destroy the soul. Taking the mistranslation out of hell part 1 ruclips.net/video/_7o6UD4z4Xc/видео.html Taking the mistranslation out of hell part 2 ruclips.net/video/S22ui_KZBAk/видео.html Shepherds Chapel God the consuming fire and hells fire ruclips.net/video/h25qRU9W2hg/видео.html
I feel like more efforts like this should be dedicated to the Church. We have so many “Christians” worshiping these false religions of Christian Nationalism and Christian Wokism. This is in large part why people turn away from Christ. People are looking for answers in these troubling times and these are likely the largest stumbling blocks in their way. It would be nice if street preachers respectfully challenged these church goers. Maybe stand in front of their church lovingly. Thank you Pastor Cliff for your boldness and love for your fellow man. I could listen to this all day.
So when does individual accountability begin? You blame the church and the preachers but Jesus Christ comes to each person individually, so when do you hold the individual accountable? Should we believe because of what brother Smith says or sister Brown does or what Pastor Jones preaches? I think we should believe God because we have had a personal encounter with Jesus Christ, like each one of His disciples had. “ Behold I stand at the door ( your heart) and knock if anyone hears my voice and opens the door ( their heart) then I will come in and dine with him and he with Me. “ Revelation 3:20.
Cliffe and Stuart, please make these longer. I believe many of us enjoy listening to long videos as we do chores and other things it's always a delight to see your videos! Thank you!
As a person who lives in Illinois I know the feeling of dealing with a smart alecks 😅 Cliffe never disappoints, he’s straight to the point & never misses ✨
@Justin Gary thanks for sharing, you definitely know your stuff. About a year & some months ago I was going through a rough time in life. I was dealing with strongholds such as smoking, drinking, lust, lying, disrespectful to family. I was living in the flesh & spiritually dead. I ended up finding Cliffe’s videos & I got obsessed with learning & the debates. I lost friends, I was parted from this earth . I felt isolated & lonely but didn’t see what was happening. God called my name, as I struggled not know if I become Christian would I be a hypocrite. It came to me like a gust of wind as I was about to light my cigar. The Holy Spirit led me to church, Baptized in water & I’m happy to say I’m delivered! I couldn’t believe how my mind was renewed & my life transformed. Temptation is no longer a issue. Satans demons came for me but just like Daniel 6:22, my faith in the lord protects me. Cliffe has a lot to do with my salvation 🙌🏽 the a Holy Spirit led me to him & changed my life. Hallelujah!
@@jasonnoble7302my brother in Christ, you sure do love hanging out around these videos trying to debate or argue with people of faith. Atheists don't do this because they're trying to "evangelize," their atheism. I find that atheists (like I was once), do this to try and convince themselves that God does not exist. It's validation for your anger and bitterness you're trying to find for yourself. I encourage you to let go of whatever hate you have towards the God you know exists and accept His love and ask for His forgiveness. Ask and you shall receive. Anything contrary of that is the peak of arrogance and irrationality.
@@COMPNOR Well, I’m convinced that the Christian God doesn’t exist. In fact it’s utterly impossible for the Christian God to exist as defined by Christianity. I’m here because I find it entertaining. I enjoy destroying the silly arguments Christians use in defending their silly beliefs. To claim atheists do not debate theists is just your attempt at gaslighting me into being ashamed of criticizing your silly Christian beliefs. Now, I understand you’re deathly afraid of atheists but if you have an coherent argument for the existence of the Christian God then how about make it, otherwise go kick rocks
To be SAVED according to our apostle Paul, you must BELIEVE/ TRUST that Jesus Christ died on the cross for you sins,was buried,and rose again on the third day,and He Shed His Blood as payment for all of your sins forever,( you personally).Romans 3:25” Faith in His Blood”.
@Jason Noble No. It's true enough to have just enough faith to humble yourself and pray. "God, if you're REAL and Jesus is the one you sent to save us all. Then please reveal yourself to me in any way that I can know that its true." The evidence is there. It's strong enough for you to say, "Okay, I'll humble myself enough to believe a little and ask." God is all knowing so he can see if you genuinely are seeking him. Jesus made a bold claim. He said seek and you shall find. If this were false the religion wouldn't have spread so much outside of the Jewish people.
@@Veritas231 No why ? How does non belief take more blind faith then belief ? What’s the “strong enough evidence” for ME to say “I’ll humble myself” to a God of my choice? Do you “humble yourself” to Vishnu or Apollo as well ? Whatever God you choose to “humble yourself” to will be the God you believe in.
@@jasonnoble7302 Non belief takes more faith because of REALITY. You gotta close you're eyes to not see how ridiculously complex the whole world around us is. Idk what your beliefs are about the origin of the world but like cliff said, "What's harder to believe? That life came from nothing or non life, or that life came from Life?" Name 1 time in our world that you see a living organism come from something inanimate. Never. Why? Because that violates the laws of this world. Oh, Yeah. Our world has laws that govern everything in it. Entropy, gravity, all the laws that make our universe rational and intelligible. If the laws of physics changed everyday the world wouldn't make any sense. We wouldn't be able to do science because everyday you'll get a different answer from the same test. Who put these laws into place?? Why is the world we live in rational?? Why can we as humans understand the world around us?? The evidence is all around us. You would have to be blind to not see it. I grew up being told that there was no God imagine my bewilderment when I realized there is. Imaging the fear then peace finding out He's a God that loves us. That's mind blowing stuff right there. Reality is better than any sci-fi movie ever could come up with.
@@Veritas231 No You’ve got it backwards. Atheism doesn’t make an origin claim. It doesn’t make a claim at all. Atheism is a rejection of your claim that you know your God is part of reality. Like I said if you “humble yourself” to Vishnu then you will believe in Vishnu. As for “That life came from nothing or non life, or that life came from Life?" Where did Gods desire to create this world come from ? Nothing ? Did Gods desire to create just arbitrarily happen ? See, cliff’s arguments are garbage. Gods desire to create isn’t more likely then something from nothing. And it gets even less likely with the Christian God. Before God created the universe was it perfect ? Was Gods existence perfect or not ?
There are different perspectives on what people think the place of hell is. It makes sense however, that it is where God is not, and that means it is darkness without the light if God, and all the good gifts God bestows on his children.
what is 'Hell' according to what you believe joanne? I'm perfectly fine with it being 'nothingness' but the thought of any human being being tortured in some way.. forever, is more than a little unsettling, even if it was someone who committed an horrific crime, no human judge would see fit to punish someone like that.
@@Theo_Skeptomaiis your reality simply made up by what you can actually see at the very moment? I've never been to Australia, but I'm pretty sure Australia exists. I wasn't alive when the Battle of Gettysburg was fought, yet I can go to the battlefield and see it and read the accounts of people that were there when it happened to know it happened. Have I "seen," God or Heaven? No. Yet we are not only surrounded by the evidence of God but the evidence is within us. Whether you believe or accept that evidence is irrelevant; it doesn't change the fact that that evidence is there.
@@Theo_Skeptomai "Spark of faith"??? When you watch a movie or TV show, your mind psychologically does a trick. Suspension of Disbelief. This means that even though you know the movie or TV show is fake, you ignore that, you suspend your disbelief, and then watch it as if it were real (so you can enjoy the show). After it's over, you know full well that it wasn't real, but it was entertaining. Ok, so what's the point about this having anything to do with "spark of faith"........ That's exactly what it is..... Suspending your disbelief is a spark of faith that it could be real for the time-period that you are watching it. If you used this SAME concept (suspension of disbelief) and read the bible as if it were true, your eyes would be opened to an entire new reality. Don't read the bible trying to disprove it. Read it as though it were true, just like any other novel you might read. Reading the bible this way will actually INCREASE your IQ. Of course the question is..... If Christianity is TRUE, would you even follow it? Doubt it, because you likely don't have the guts to discover if God actually exists by reading the bible with just a little bit of faith that it might be true. You can suspend your disbelief for a movie, or books, for TV shows, but not the bible? That's weak! Read the whole thing in context.
@justingary5322having so many words indicates many floors," thou shall not have any slaves" is so much more effective .the Bible has some of God's words in it not all due to having been written by man and not God -that is all.
Repent the kingdom of God is at hand! John 10:10👑 “The thief does not come except to steal, and to kill, and to destroy. I have come that they may have life, and that they may have it more abundantly.”
Laws of Rape (Deuteronomy 22:28-29 NAB) If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her. Rape then pay the price and still get the rewards 🤮
@@jasonnoble7302 You Atheists cherry-pick verses that sound bad on the surface level, completely miss the entire point because you refuse to read in context, and then act like God is evil. Did you copy and paste this from some dumb Atheist website and then think that you somehow "won"????? Listen up.... The word translated “rape” can mean other things. The Hebrew word . . . simply means to take hold of something, grasp it in hand, and (by application) to capture or seize something. It is the verb used for ‘handling’ the harp and flute (Gen. 4:21), the sword (Ezek. 21:11; 30:21), the sickle (Jer. 50:16), the shield (Jer. 46:9), the oars (Ezek. 27:29), and the bow (Amos 2:15). It is likewise used for ‘taking’ God’s name (Prov. 30:9) or ‘dealing’ with the law of God (Jer. 2:8). Joseph’s garment was ‘grasped’ (Gen. 39:12; cf. 1 Kings 11:30), even as Moses ‘took’ the two tablets of the law (Deut. 9:17). It is necessary to take Deuteronomy 22:28-29 together with Exodus 22:16-17, which says this: If a man seduces a virgin who is not betrothed and lies with her, he shall give the bride price for her and make her his wife. If her father utterly refuses to give her to him, he shall pay money equal to the bride price for virgins. These two passages cover the same situation: a man sleeps with a virgin who is not betrothed. Note that, in Exodus 22, there is no hint of force or rape-there is only enticement or seduction. The penalty is that he must pay the dowry and marry the girl; if the girl’s father doesn’t like the match, he can refuse to allow the marriage. According to the halakha, the girl had a similar right of refusal. But the man who fooled around must still pay the dowry. The fact that Deuteronomy 22:28-29 deals with consensual sex, not rape, is proved four ways: 1) A comparison with the parallel law in Exodus 22:16-17 (see above) shows that no force is involved. The “seizing” of the girl, as the ESV and NKJV say in Deuteronomy 22:28, has more to do with seduction than coercion. 2) The verses immediately preceding Deuteronomy 22:28-29 have already dealt with rape (verses 25-27). The penalty for that crime is specified: the rapist is executed. There’s no reason to deal with rape again in verses 28-29. Further, the penalties are different: in one, the man dies; in the other, the man lives. Obviously, different crimes are in view. 3) Deuteronomy 22:28 contains an important statement that cannot be overlooked: “and they are discovered.” In other words, it’s not just the man who is “found out” (NKJV); it’s both of them. It’s a case in which both the man and the woman somehow share a portion of the blame. Therefore, “there is no force involved, and it is not rape. But their action has been discovered. . . . The man cannot walk away from his sin. He has put the young woman in a very difficult life situation, in which there would be few (or no) other men who would want to marry her. . . . God holds both the parties accountable, instructing them to get married and stay together” (Butt, op. cit.). 4) There are two distinct Hebrew words used in the same passage. The word translated “rapes” in Deuteronomy 22:25 is the Hebrew word chazaq. But verse 28 contains a different verb, translated “seizes” in the ESV: taphas. The different verbs suggest different actions. No, the Old Testament never commands a rape victim to marry her rapist. The irrevocable marriage contract was reserved for men who had mistreated a woman in some way and damaged her ability to marry. This is in fact, God showing that women are valuable and giving them rights. You got a problem with women rights? Next time you think you are going to post a bible verse, google your bible verse from some other source than an Atheist website, then realize that your Atheist website is abjectly ignorant, then leave your dumb Atheist cult religion and enter reality.
Watching this and seeing people keep going back to saying that the consequence of people’s decisions means that God is not a loving God. I wish he had discussed what love really is in this context. That if God made us so that we can not choose to go against His wishes, then we do not have free choice and without free choice they is not love. If you can control how someone acts toward you, there is no place for love in that. It is robotic. It is choosing only to the extent that you don’t choose to go against another. Love means that you have a choice and you choose God (in this example). Just like if you had a significant other who you very much loved but you could force them to “love” you by not allowing them to make any decisions that are contradictory to what you what them to do… that is not allowing them to love you back. Because they may choice not to… God allows us to choose to go against what He would like to see us do because if He did not allow that then that is not actually allowing us the opportunity to love Him back. And from that, some choose to be separated from God in this life, and so he does honor your decision and does not force you to make a choice you do not want to make, but they also means you would spend eternity separate from Him. Just like if a boy likes a girl but she chooses not to like or love him back and instead chooses to separate herself from him… if he loves her then he will leave her alone and allow her to love her life separate from him… if he is obsessed and controlling then he might try to force her to stick around but they is not showing true love and not allowing her the choice to love him or not. Same thing.
"When the Bible says that God is all powerful that does not mean that he can make squre circles." You mean that gid can not make a rock that is not a rock. "When the Bible says that God is good and all powerful that does not mean that he can make a free human being that always chooses to do good." Do you mean that we're no longer free in heaven?
Daisy Daisy lyrics Daisy, Daisy, give me your answer do, I'm half crazy, All for the love of you. It won't be a stylish marriage, I haven't got a carriage, But you'll look sweet, up on the seat, Of a bicycle built for two
To the one man I would say this. All the good that we may do in our life does not cancel out the bad. If someone was to go to court for something really bad and you told the judge well listen judge I have done good. I feed the hungry children. If the judge is just he will judge on the crime not all the good. So remember the good does not cancel out the bad.
Have you ever lied, stolen, used God's name in vain, looked wuth lust? if so you need to repent today and Believe in Jesus Christ to save you from Hell and go to heaven instead
If Cliffe would find the truth of the Bible that hell also will be burned up in the Lake of Fire, and the wicked will be not forever, his words would have much more power to convince. Still, I praise and thank God for raising up Cliffe to preach the truth that he has.
Yes I agree that there is no way that the wicked will not be forever, it makes no sense for people that are in heaven to have eternal life and for people that are hell to have eternal life as well. Even if eternal life in suffering, is still eternal life. So Cliff is not wrong when he is saying that hell is eternal separation from God, but I also believe that many people are afraid of hell. But the way I understand it is that hell is the last act of mercy for wicked people, because when God will lift all of his good gifts there will only be dispair and suffering, so therefore They will burn and they will remain burnt forever, not in a eternal state of turure in fire but in eternal state of being burnt forever, mening there will be nothing left from their being.
@@Josiahministries Sure, fear as in how a child fears his parents because of their authority I presume, not terror, as in to controll someone, manipulate someone through it, like dark age catholic church. Cliff is just saying that hell is separation from God, and probably that's enough for people. There are more important issues to discuss, like discussing about Jesus.
@Justin Gary Slaves were a big part of society in those days, but the way God made the rules regarding the already existing slaves, it gave them more freedom and more rights. I like that it says in the Bible that if a slave wanted to ramai a slave after the end of his slave years, the slave's master should allow him to stay with him. People became slaves mostly because of poverty, so there is actually a good part of it, when a good master takes a slave and gives him a purpose instead of being a social burden, that's the way God allowed slavery. Of course that slavery shouldn't exist, but that's how wahs the world back than.
@Justin Gary Justin, you must humble yourself, repent of your pride, and ask the Holy Spirit to lead you into all truth, and away from your blasphemy. Do you want eternal life with your Creator - Jesus Christ?
The irony is that if any other religion, Hindu, Muslim, Buddhist, were preaching on univeristy grounds, nobody would dare laugh, mock or question them on their beliefs. Christianity is the only religion people openly hate.
I don't hate Christianity or Christians bugen5, but I certainly question the beliefs. I've certainly heard Cliffe question other beliefs on campus when Muslims have challenged him.
@@bonnie43uk 99.9% of Atheists hate God. It's just a fact. I know 100's of 1000's of ex-Atheists who have all told me the same thing. They hated God, didn't want him to exist, and got triggered every time God was brought up. So what makes you the 0.1% that "doesn't hate Christianity or Christians"? Did nothing (which is your invisible sky daddy) descend upon us and mandate that we be nice to each other?
Seems like Cliffe misspoke. God COULD create a free human being who always chooses to do good. It is possible that Adam and Eve could have never chosen to do evil. But God cannot create a free human being who is always FORCED to do good. Being free and never doing evil are not mutually exclusive categories. Being free and being forced are mutually exclusive categories.
He probably assumed this point. I agree with you that the explication of "forced to" is inherently opposed to "free to" as it applies to "doing". Again, This point is so utterly obvious that even a light adherence to the principle of charity will take it as implicit.
Under our apostle Paul’s ministry,to be SAVED you must BELIEVE The Gospel of Jesus Christ,1 st Corinthians Chapter 15 verse 1-4.Jesus Christ died on the cross for your sins,was buried,and rose again on the third day.Jesus Christ’s Shed Blood is what saves you when you believe this plan of salvation with your heart.
18:36 Adam and Eve's sin wasn't necessarily that they are the fruit of knowledge of good and evil, it was that they sinned in their hearts by not trusting God with what He said is right, good, and just. Their sin was trusting themselves, and the devil, over trusting God. It took root in their hearts first before they made any action. That is why salvation begins with Lord Jesus Christ changing the inner man, and later will change the outer man when He returns and makes us with glorified bodies. 22:14 My dude, the solution to your problems and your dilemma here is that God DID give you a solution, but in your stubborn rebellion you REJECT His FREE GIFT of salvation. You get saved, not hy what you do or your own merits of obedience to the Law, but hy putting your faith and trust in Lord Jesus Christ, believing and TRUSTING GOD that His plan for your salvation, Lord Jesus Christ bleeding and dying on the cross, being buried, and rising from the dead on the 3rd day is SUFFICIENT PAYMENT for your sins. THAT is how you get to Heaven. I am not going to Heaven because I met Gods standard of righteousness, I know irrefutably that I HAVE NOT done so, I am going to Heaven because Lord Jesus Christ died and bleed on the cross, was buried, and rose from the dead on the 3rd day to pay my debt I OWE God, a debt I cannot pay on my own. Most people are going to Hell not necessarily because they sin, the wages of sin is death not Hell, most people are going to be in Hell because they have rejected Gods gift of salvation. 25:28 One good act does not erase all of the countless times we sin. A billion good acts doesn't erase the times we broke Gods Laws. We are NOT justified by works. We are justified by putting our faith in Lord Jesus Christ, for He and He ALONE is the justifer and finisher of our faith, of our salvation, being God. For you have been saved by grace through faith, NOT of yourselves; this is a GIFT FROM GOD; NOT of works, so that nobody can boast.
@Justin Gary God bless you brother Justin Gary for taking the time to type out all of this and make it clear for those who actually are interested in learning something rather than shouting out religious athiest dogmas. All praise and glory be to Christ our King.
I've watched many of your videos now and am very grateful for your wisdom, thanks alot. I was wondering if you could some time address in further detail your idea and opinion on the spiritual layer of reality, what some other words are for it, what is it, how do we know it etc.
God created our free will, because to love him needs to be a free choice. Jesus, freely chose because of his love for humanity, to suffer and shed his blood, and die on a cross for us to obtain salvation.
As for the man in the black jumper and glasses,... We are saved by Grace through Faith and NOT by works..... Which is what he's talking about regarding the Jewish man who went to stay with his own people.... That's works.
Time Stamp 27:30. This guy has so much confidence he's, one-upped God. He doesn't realize he's talking his way into Luke 16:19. Man's love for themselves is a downfall.
Our finger prints alone point to order and design. No one in this world past or present has ever had the same finger prints, that alone should stand on itself that God exist. Not only that but he has a personal relationship with everyone of us. Try to just picture knowing every person in the world completely.
The last gentleman: I took my children to get their shots from the dr as babies. They did nothing wrong, yet suffered. I did it not out of wrong nor not being powerful enough to keep them from the dr’s needle. I know that the brief moment of unhappiness (which seemed to last forever to the child) compared to the next 100 years of wellness that it will be worth it in the end. Too often we as people stumbling and bumbling around are focused on the (hopefully) 100 years in front of us. But considering my son at his experience of 6th birthday 🎂, my other son at his “I am finally there- many years to get to 7th birthday 🎉.!!” It seemed to them a day was long, a week really long and a year is almost forever. But when they are in their grey haired days a day will fly by unnoticed, a week in a flash and yet another year so quickly. It is all perspective. So that 100 years we stumble around and have suffering, we also have joy. But don’t be caught in the moment as if that is all there is. According to the bible WE all WILL be in eternity. So the 100 years off suffering if you could extrapolate a person suffered that long continuously- has the option to surrender themselves to God. And that 100 years after the first thousand in heaven will be like a single year to an old man. In a thousand years that first 100 will be a moment. What about a million years later in heaven? A moment so brief! A billion years later- a spec of dirt on an otherwise perfectly clean existence. At year one trillion, please explain to me how even something so radical a thought of someone suffering 100 years non stop would be anything more than laughable to that man who has been in heaven for a trillion years SO FAR, knowing he has the joy of it continuously growing at an ever increasing differential. Many people (God followers or not) can sing a couple lines of the song Amazing Grace- usually to the part of ‘but now I see’. Read the lyrics though. There is a more crucial line in application here: “When we’ve been dead ten thousand years, bright shinning as the sun… We’ve no less days to sing God’s praise, than when we’ve first begun.” Honestly contemplate that. The song writer’s desire to sing (obviously their personal passion) is on point with the realization of eternity still in front of them. I love to see and learn new things. God made everything there is the universe in 6 days. In theory I could learn it all- ahh, nothing new to see and experience. Unless, God decided to show me what Be could do next. What new emotions He can share. What new dimensions He can unvail. Never accept the bogus argument you would eventually tire of eternal heaven- won’t happen. The idea of God ending people’s lives, or allowing others to end their lives is about the worst case scenario someone can use in this gentleman’s argument. But God isn’t stopping anyone’s existence. You simply move to another “location” or another “state”. The Bible says: Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake: some to everlasting life, others to shame and everlasting contempt. So YOU have a choice to make. Dedicate time into learning about this and be willing to be humbled by God. Do it with an earnest openness. If you start playing a game determined to loose, you will. Don’t make that mistake here. Jesus stands at the door knocking. You can open it and yell at his face, or you can open it and let him in. You have eternity to contemplate why you did what you did. You have now only to make the right choice.
Mary is not the "Mother of God". That's ridiculous. She was the earthly mother of the human known as Jesus, not the spiritual mother of Jesus. God (The Father) has no mother that anyone is aware of or even spoke about.
When this was recorded, I wasn't even married to my 2nd wife yet, but I CAN tell you that, if someone is talking about Jesus, he knows damn well Jesus is "NOT delulted!" "Such sarcasm"! I pray that person has reiterated that comment and know, someday, we all will kneel before God! Take Jesus as your savior, and repent your sins to Jesus and be saved and live for eternity! John 3:16 in the KJB/KJV. With 🙏's and ❤️!
God is consistent, He decreed that the cost of sin is death, but He also love us so much He don't want us to die. Can an all powerful God change the law about the cost of sin? Sure, just like He can change round earth can be flat, but because God is consistent He sent Jesus to die on the cross for our sins to follow that consistent rule He decreed. The next question would be "then what about Lazarus's resurrection? Did God not decreed that once a being died, they cannot go back to life?" Based on what we know, God does not decreed that, therefore death does not mean permanent death, therefore life after death, like what Jesus said, is possible.
You can't study love. People often make empty gestures that from the outside may look loving, but inwardly they have an ulterior motive. Hugs, kisses, sex, gifts are not accurate quantifiers of what love is. Love is something that can only accurately be experienced by individuals and can't accurately be captured with physical evidence. All this to say that the fact that we are capable of experiencing something more than physical and tangible is evidence that there is more to this world than the physical and tangible. Being in a loving relationship with God is something that can only be experienced on an individual level, both by the individual and those around them.
I never understood the argument that because there is suffering in the world, this is a presupposition that either God doesn't exist, or God is not Love. God gives man free will. That is love. But free will can be used to cause suffering. Since we are created with fee will and choose to do evil, God will not go against His nature and immediate strip us of our free will. But God is patient as well. He gave Pharoah 400 years to repent. God takes no pleasure in the death of the wicked (Ezechiel 33:11) The bible also says there will be day of righteous judgement (Hebrews 9:27).
@Theo Skeptomai It would be a contradiction if a person doesn't understand how to read the Bible. Without God, suffering is subjective. If God is not the standard to judge good and evil, how can suffering be called suffering. You say rape is wrong, but it's just your opinion. It's impossible to live out moral relativism. Have a great day.
@@Disciple793 How does God giving us free will explain the suffering that millions of people suffer from via natural disasters like earthquakes, floods and droughts?, these are natural phenomenon which have absolutely no bearing on a persons free will to do good or bad. I can envision a God in my own mind who would create a world in which those types of natural phenomenon did not exist. Also, it's not just a case of saying "rape is wrong" as an opinion, the reason we can say it's wrong is because of the physical and mental harm it causes the victim. It's not something like preferring strawberry or vanilla, rape has terrible consequences, if i choose vanilla over strawberry, that is merely a preference.
@@Theo_Skeptomai And how the hell do you KNOW that there could not possibly be a creator god if there is suffering. Like, exactly explain to us how you know that is an absolute fact. I want evidentiary fact of that. I don't want your subjective opinion, I want to see the actual facts.
@@Theo_Skeptomai Yes you did. Here is what you wrote: "here can not possibly be an omni-benevolent, omnipotent, and omniscient creator god if there is uninvolved, needless suffering." So now I am asking you to provide evidentiary fact of how you know this to be true.
"God can do whatever He wants." Really? Any CEOs of a corporation or small business owners here? Anyone here working towards a certain objective? Can you just willy nilly do whatever you want and expect to be successful?
Last I checked a CEO is not all knowing and all powerful, nor did they create the entire universe from nothing. What's a CEO got to do with God's sovereignty?
At the 25 minute mark, the gentleman’s point of the jewish man who sacrificed himself attempting to save the others around him: There will be a judgment day. Think of a criminal who robs a bank of 2 million dollars but doesn’t kill anyone. Then he records giving away half the money helping hungry and homeless, walking little old ladies across the street in the process. Then goes in front of the judge for the bank robbery and shows the videos of all the help he did. Does that judge, if he is just, let him go? A penalty must be paid. Maybe the guy would continue helping others if not in jail, then a fine must be paid. He is judged for the errors committed not the good moments. The Bible says The wages of sin is death. Jesus who committed no sin paid the fine and offers that payment to you and I. If the judge levies a fine of 5 million dollars to the robber as to give restitution to both the bank and public, he only has 1 million left. He can’t pay it. But if I step in and pay the 5 million, the robber is free. It is a free gift from Jesus that your sins cost be covered by his death on the cross payment for the wage due. Now what if that Jewish man is condemned by God as the gentleman in the video implies? Jesus gave an example - The servant who knows the master’s will and does not get ready or does not do what the master wants will be beaten with many blows. But the one who does not know and does things deserving punishment will be beaten with few blows. From everyone who has been given much, much will be demanded; and from the one who has been entrusted with much, much more will be asked. So let’s imagine the Jewish guy choses not to be with God for eternity but instead gets hell. Maybe he will be at an unpleasant 89° in hell while Hitler is at 890°. Maybe the Jewish guy watches the re-runs on tv for eternity but has to have commercials and Hitler would get static and poor sound and only commercials with just a glimpse of the real show enough to get his hopes up. Now, the level of heat or tv example I give is a pure speculation obviously- but remember- God is just. God’s amount of just is so overflowing that it is where we get our desire for justice from. Something else to consider- on the viewpoint of there is no God and that Jewish man gave himself… then there is no absolute right or wrong so it wouldn’t matter they burned him or that he gave himself wanting to save his people. It just is what it is, and his choice was then wrong to do so because all we have is the time we are alive then nothing. So he should have taken the offer and found a few more moments of pleasure in doing something else before he perished in nothingness. No person knows the heart and last moment wishes and beliefs of another like God does. But think this through a minute. Jesus gave his life on a cross to offer eternal salvation to you and me. The Jewish man gave his life attempting to save or at least prolong (story not completely clear) the lives of others around him. Would God be pleased with that? The Bible say the devil came to kill, steal, and destroy. But Jesus said He is the way, the truth, and the life. Jesus told people to follow Him. Jesus said to love one another. You tell me, was he following the instructions God set forth? Was that Jewish man when in the building before the gas was turned on trying to comfort others? Was he praying to God? In my belief he was, and his prayers were answered by eternity with God. In the gentleman in the video’s viewpoint- it was all in vain. The gentleman in the video used emotions to tug at your heart trying to reach for some in justice that a flying spaghetti monster doesn’t exist BECAUSE HE IS MEAN. Mean spaghetti monster, mean and unfair!!! No. The Jewish man obviously loved God and loved his people more than himself. Like Moses who never heard the name Jesus will be in heaven (aka eternity with God) because he put his trust in God and it is plainly evident by his following God’s desire to be willing to help others the best way you can. It was a well executed emotional argument though, and I am sure it will hold water with those who don’t actually understand the other side of the argument who don’t realize it’s an emotive one that is self refuting based on if no God then no real justice exists.
@Justin Gary point is everyone does some positive things and some negative things. A just judge will look at the bad things and have to put a charge to them.
Cliffe is preaching to non believers, as a non believer, I can certainly accept a lot of Jesus's teachings of love, kindness and acceptance of others, those are commendable human attributes we should all adhere to. I do struggle to accept this same person was 'The son of God'. That is a mighty big claim. I think I'm right in saying that during the time he lived on the planet for 30+ years, and performed incredible miracles, not a single person wrote a single word about him. That in of itself gives me cause to doubt that claim. Am I condemned to eternal damnation for doubting other people's claims?
“I am trying here to prevent anyone saying the really foolish thing that people often say about Him: I’m ready to accept Jesus as a great moral teacher, but I don’t accept his claim to be God. That is the one thing we must not say. A man who was merely a man and said the sort of things Jesus said would not be a great moral teacher. He would either be a lunatic - on the level with the man who says he is a poached egg - or else he would be the Devil of Hell. You must make your choice. Either this man was, and is, the Son of God, or else a madman or something worse. You can shut him up for a fool, you can spit at him and kill him as a demon or you can fall at his feet and call him Lord and God, but let us not come with any patronizing nonsense about his being a great human teacher. He has not left that open to us. He did not intend to.” ~ Lewis
@@curiousgeorge555 Hi George, you're giving the 'Liar, lunatic or Lord' C S Lewis defence. Can you not think of a 4th option?. I'm not convinced that everything that Jesus said was of great moral righteousness. Saying we should love our enemies can be seen by many as extreme foolishness, if you're enemy is out to destroy you or enslave you. What would Jesus say to the likes of Hitler? Loving your enemy may be appropriate in certain situations, but it does not always work. The 4th option would be 'legend'. When a human being is given legendary supernatural status years after their death, .. i think this would fit Jesus.
@@bonnie43uk Hi Bonnie, here again Lewis is of great help: "It’s here that Lewis addresses the rebuttal that Jesus did not really say these things; his followers exaggerated the story and the legend grew that he really said these things. Lewis shows how unlikely it would be for the Jews to invent God become man: This is difficult because His followers were all Jews; that is, they belonged to that Nation which of all others was most convinced that there was only one God-that there could not possibly be another. It is very odd that this horrible invention about a religious leader should grow up among the one people in the whole earth least likely to make such a mistake. On the contrary we get the impression that none of His immediate followers or even of the New Testament writers embraced the doctrine at all easily. The other option is that the accounts of Jesus were written as legends. Here Lewis draws upon his scholarly expertise: Now, as a literary historian, I am perfectly convinced that whatever else the Gospels are they are not legends. I have read a great deal of legend and I am quite clear that they are not the same sort of thing. They are not artistic enough to be legends. From an imaginative point of view they are clumsy, they don’t work up to things properly. Most of the life of Jesus is totally unknown to us, as is the life of anyone else who lived at that time, and no people building up a legend would allow that to be so. Apart from bits of the Platonic dialogues, there is no conversation that I know of in ancient literature like the Fourth Gospel. There is nothing, even in modern literature, until about a hundred years ago when the realistic novel came into existence. So Lewis thinks it implausible that monotheistic Jews would have invented an incarnate Messiah and he thinks that the genre of the gospels bears none of the typical marks of legends-based upon a lifetime of scholarly and leisure reading of ancient legends. Therefore, the Jesus of the Bible is the Jesus of history. And if this one Jesus were not Lord, he would be a liar or a lunatic. But he is truthful (not a liar) and sane (not a lunatic). Therefore he is Lord."
i love these videos as im starting to ask more questions than i ever have. what happens to people that die from those irresponible decisions of other people if death comes before those people have time to repent for any sins they have committed?
@@Theo_Skeptomai BS. Absolute BS. Guess what you ignorant Atheist...... since you don't want to be with God, then in the end you will get your wish. You will either: 1. Become fertilizer with no further experience. 2. Burn in hell. So why are you on here lurking around and getting triggered by God? You win in the end.... you won't be with God. So stop complaining and getting triggered. No matter how evil people may act, the way people wish to be treated is in accordance with the 10 Commandments. No one wants to be lied to, murdered, cheated on, stolen from, etc. Atheists imagine that magical talking fairy rocks knows this and inserted cleverly designed chemicals into their DNA. Atheism is hogwash fairy tales as a way to deny stark reality. Stop complaining if you "win" in the end.
Here is an important answer that Cliffe is missing. The word for "eternal" hell is aion and can just mean age. In Matthew 24 the disciples ask Jesus what will be the signs of the end of this world. World is aion here. So you gotta keep in mind that certain people had motives geared towards keeping people afraid of burning forever and making you pay $ for your own salvation. Luke 16 mentions a gulf. There is a good side and a bad side. Think to yourself. How could we enjoy heaven if all of the goody goodies are on one side and right next store there's a boiling pit of lava where people are not just burning for billions of years, but trillions upon trillions of years. How could a loving God allow that? And how could we enjoy heaven if one of our loved ones didn't make it? No, after the 1000 years they are blotted out. It's as if they never existed. Gone from our memories and gone from our lives for good. They burn up like fat to a spiddle and the smoke of their ashes go up forever and ever. Revelation 20:14 “And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.”God is a consuming fire and I'm not saying He is that lake of fire, but he indeed can destroy the soul. Taking the mistranslation out of hell part 1 ruclips.net/video/_7o6UD4z4Xc/видео.html Taking the mistranslation out of hell part 2 ruclips.net/video/S22ui_KZBAk/видео.html Shepherds Chapel God the consuming fire and hells fire ruclips.net/video/h25qRU9W2hg/видео.html
Jesus said to Peter" you will be my rock within this rock I will build my church". Sir stop confusing people. We have to follow the holy word that is written. Man made church is not from God.
You contradicted yourself. If Jesus said to Peter that he will build his church (off of Peter), then man-made church is exactly what Jesus was condoning, or he wouldn't have said that he would use Peter to build "his church".
Here is the answer that Cliffe is missing. The word for "eternal" hell is aion and can just mean age. In Matthew 24 the disciples ask Jesus what will be the signs of the end of this world. World is aion here. So you gotta keep in mind that certain people had motives geared towards keeping people afraid of burning forever and making you pay $ for your own salvation. Luke 16 mentions a gulf. There is a good side and a bad side. Think to yourself. How could we enjoy heaven if all of the goody goodies are on one side and right next store there's a boiling pit of lava where people are not just burning for billions of years, but trillions upon trillions of years. How could a loving God allow that? And how could we enjoy heaven if one of our loved ones didn't make it? No, after the 1000 years they are blotted out. It's as if they never existed. Gone from our memories and gone from our lives for good. They burn up like fat to a spiddle and the smoke of their ashes go up forever and ever. Revelation 20:14 “And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.”God is a consuming fire and I'm not saying He is that lake of fire, but he indeed can destroy the soul. Taking the mistranslation out of hell part 1 ruclips.net/video/_7o6UD4z4Xc/видео.html Taking the mistranslation out of hell part 2 ruclips.net/video/S22ui_KZBAk/видео.html Shepherds Chapel God the consuming fire and hells fire ruclips.net/video/h25qRU9W2hg/видео.html
Cliffe will often use the phase "God chose to partially limit his power so that man could have free will", where in the Bible does God actually infer that?. And how is that beneficial to mankind if God has the power to prevent natural disasters which kill and maim millions of people all over the globe, destroying people's lives, when he has to power to prevent that? eg: 4 months ago there was a massive earthquake in Turkey and Syria that killed and injured around 200,000 people and destroyed their homes, could God have prevented that?, if you're a believer, you'd have to answer "yes, he is God, he can do anything", what possible reason would he have to allow such a thing from occurring when he could have prevented it in a heartbeat?
"Cliffe will often use the phase "God chose to partially limit his power so that man could have free will", where in the Bible does God actually infer that?" The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. - 2 Peter 3:8-10 And Jesus answering said unto them "Suppose ye that these Galilaeans were sinners above all the Galilaeans, because they suffered such things? I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish." - Luke 13:2-3 The Bible is clear that God doesn't want anyone to perish, but He gives us the choice to do so. If He does not use His power to control every moment of our lives, like puppets on a string, He is limiting His power. "And how is that beneficial to mankind if God has the power to prevent natural disasters which kill and maim millions of people all over the globe, destroying people's lives, when he has to power to prevent that?" Many times natural disasters are God's judgement. Many times natural disasters are just part of the curse that we have brought on ourselves due to our sin; our rebellion against God. So, I suppose, whichever way you look at it, it's still judgement for our sins. Syria and Turkey worship a false god as their national religion. They persecute worshippers of the one true God. If God is loving, how could He not punish them?
@@Malhaloc I appreciate your reply malholoc, you're free to believe that, if what you say is true, God would only punish non Christian countries, but if you look at natural disasters, they don't discriminate against any particular faith, plenty of Christian countries have suffered total devastation including Christian churches being totally destroyed these natural disasters also kill little children, pregnant mothers, little babies regardless of whether they are Christian, Muslim, Hindu or whatever. If God is loving, how could he punish people who love him and worship him, and why destroy his own place of worship devoted to him? From a natural point of view, it makes perfect sense why natural disasters happen, this world was not specifically designed for humanity.
@@robertmitchell-tv5yf Where does God personally claim to limit His power? I have a couple of examples to consider. Could probably locate more and better ones but have a look:- Numbers 11:23 (nasb translation) .. the Lord asks Moses rhetorically, "Is the LORD'S power limited?"..suggesting that He had displayed some restricted level of power but had much more in reserve that He chose to willingly limit use of. And if you grant His speaking through prophets, I would consider Hos 5:15 a candidate where the LORD says He will return to his place (willingly restrict His power to do something) until the people turn to Him again.
@@robertmitchell-tv5yf Deuteronomy 3: 17 "And the Lord sayeth to man, I shall limit my power, so that mankind shall haveth free will" . . . . Na, i made that up. 🙂 Yes, i think it's something that Cliffe has come up with based on some other passage that he's read. I could be wrong of course. I've not heard any other pastors aside from Cliffe have that particular take on God's word
@@jessebryant9233 Both rely on making up stories to fit their ridiculous magical worldview. I don't know how the universe started. I also don't know what causes my truck to have a knocking sound specifically at 40 mph. But either case it is pure fantasy to try to answer the question with magical characters causing it.
@@OMGUKILLKENNY2 Both? How do you know that? And of course you don't know. You're clueless because you ignore all the evidence and empirical experience. That's why you arbitrarily label the best explanation as 'ridiculous.'
How do yall not understand? Is it willfull ignorance? You call him a quack so why do you listen??? Your atheist are so confusing you hate that we believe in God but why does that matter to you?
"Draw near to God and He will draw near to you."
~ James 4:8
@JacobOfTheOT
I don't waste my time with fools like Theo or Bonnie. God bless you too.
@@Theo_Skeptomai
No, you're incorrect. You don't understand. But thank you for proving your own stupidity once again.
Good bye. 🖐️
Presuppose Allah
Get closer to Allah
@@jasonnoble7302
You really are stupid, aren't you, Jason.
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@@Theo_Skeptomai Atheists: "Magical talking fairy rocks informed the truine god who's name is 'Evolution, Time, and Chance' that humans need rules to peacefully co-exist, therefore the god who's name is 'Evolution, Time, and Chance' grabbed the magical talking fairy rocks, inserted the chemicals into a delicately designed DNA, and then blew life into the body".
Atheism is dumb nonsense. Shame on you.
More Cliffe in JESUS MIGHTY NAME 🙏
❤may God and Jesus Christ bless you day and night, and keep you for mee included whithin us! Any questions about people or anything? Delusional, etc?
Here is the answer that Cliffe is missing.
The word for "eternal" hell is aion and can just mean age. In Matthew 24 the disciples ask Jesus what will be the signs of the end of this world. World is aion here. So you gotta keep in mind that certain people had motives geared towards keeping people afraid of burning forever and making you pay $ for your own salvation. Luke 16 mentions a gulf. There is a good side and a bad side. Think to yourself. How could we enjoy heaven if all of the goody goodies are on one side and right next store there's a boiling pit of lava where people are not just burning for billions of years, but trillions upon trillions of years. How could a loving God allow that? And how could we enjoy heaven if one of our loved ones didn't make it? No, after the 1000 years they are blotted out. It's as if they never existed. Gone from our memories and gone from our lives for good. They burn up like fat to a spiddle and the smoke of their ashes go up forever and ever. Revelation 20:14 “And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.”God is a consuming fire and I'm not saying He is that lake of fire, but he indeed can destroy the soul.
Taking the mistranslation out of hell part 1
ruclips.net/video/_7o6UD4z4Xc/видео.html
Taking the mistranslation out of hell part 2
ruclips.net/video/S22ui_KZBAk/видео.html
Shepherds Chapel God the consuming fire and hells fire
ruclips.net/video/h25qRU9W2hg/видео.html
More reading and prayer, listening to cliff do NOT all together count as spending time with God like reading and prayer.
I feel like more efforts like this should be dedicated to the Church. We have so many “Christians” worshiping these false religions of Christian Nationalism and Christian Wokism. This is in large part why people turn away from Christ. People are looking for answers in these troubling times and these are likely the largest stumbling blocks in their way. It would be nice if street preachers respectfully challenged these church goers. Maybe stand in front of their church lovingly.
Thank you Pastor Cliff for your boldness and love for your fellow man. I could listen to this all day.
So when does individual accountability begin? You blame the church and the preachers but Jesus Christ comes to each person individually, so when do you hold the individual accountable? Should we believe because of what brother Smith says or sister Brown does or what Pastor Jones preaches? I think we should believe God because we have had a personal encounter with Jesus Christ, like each one of His disciples had. “ Behold I stand at the door ( your heart) and knock if anyone hears my voice and opens the door ( their heart) then I will come in and dine with him and he with Me. “ Revelation 3:20.
My best preacher of all time
If you can not see what a moron he is you are one too
A Legend 💯💯💯
Thank you dear Sir. For putting your self out there and sharing the truth. What are children are taught to day has blinded there eyes.
Cliffe and Stuart, please make these longer. I believe many of us enjoy listening to long videos as we do chores and other things it's always a delight to see your videos! Thank you!
That’s what I do too!! Soo interesting and comforting while I’m doing such mundane tasks
Cliffe has near infinite patience.
A fruit of the Holy Spirit.
@@amaina67💯💯💯
Good bless Pastor Cliffe. Amen . 🙏
When you see how Jesus influences our lives, it makes it easy to believe and trust in Him.
The opening was so good... Looking forward to the rest. I love AskCliff. :)
As a person who lives in Illinois I know the feeling of dealing with a smart alecks 😅 Cliffe never disappoints, he’s straight to the point & never misses ✨
But you sure can feel his frustration at times! Yep, he does a great job of being patient despite the... [hugh sigh]
@@jessebryant9233
How do you know that ?
What is your justification for beliefs?
@Justin Gary thanks for sharing, you definitely know your stuff. About a year & some months ago I was going through a rough time in life. I was dealing with strongholds such as smoking, drinking, lust, lying, disrespectful to family. I was living in the flesh & spiritually dead. I ended up finding Cliffe’s videos & I got obsessed with learning & the debates. I lost friends, I was parted from this earth . I felt isolated & lonely but didn’t see what was happening. God called my name, as I struggled not know if I become Christian would I be a hypocrite. It came to me like a gust of wind as I was about to light my cigar. The Holy Spirit led me to church, Baptized in water & I’m happy to say I’m delivered! I couldn’t believe how my mind was renewed & my life transformed. Temptation is no longer a issue. Satans demons came for me but just like Daniel 6:22, my faith in the lord protects me. Cliffe has a lot to do with my salvation 🙌🏽 the a Holy Spirit led me to him & changed my life. Hallelujah!
@@jasonnoble7302my brother in Christ, you sure do love hanging out around these videos trying to debate or argue with people of faith. Atheists don't do this because they're trying to "evangelize," their atheism. I find that atheists (like I was once), do this to try and convince themselves that God does not exist. It's validation for your anger and bitterness you're trying to find for yourself. I encourage you to let go of whatever hate you have towards the God you know exists and accept His love and ask for His forgiveness. Ask and you shall receive. Anything contrary of that is the peak of arrogance and irrationality.
@@COMPNOR
Well, I’m convinced that the Christian God doesn’t exist. In fact it’s utterly impossible for the Christian God to exist as defined by Christianity. I’m here because I find it entertaining. I enjoy destroying the silly arguments Christians use in defending their silly beliefs.
To claim atheists do not debate theists is just your attempt at gaslighting me into being ashamed of criticizing your silly Christian beliefs.
Now, I understand you’re deathly afraid of atheists but if you have an coherent argument for the existence of the Christian God then how about make it, otherwise go kick rocks
I love how nostalgic these feel.
thank you cliff
To be SAVED according to our apostle Paul, you must BELIEVE/ TRUST that Jesus Christ died on the cross for you sins,was buried,and rose again on the third day,and He Shed His Blood as payment for all of your sins forever,( you personally).Romans 3:25” Faith in His Blood”.
That takes more blind faith then an atheist has
@Jason Noble No. It's true enough to have just enough faith to humble yourself and pray.
"God, if you're REAL and Jesus is the one you sent to save us all. Then please reveal yourself to me in any way that I can know that its true."
The evidence is there. It's strong enough for you to say, "Okay, I'll humble myself enough to believe a little and ask." God is all knowing so he can see if you genuinely are seeking him. Jesus made a bold claim. He said seek and you shall find. If this were false the religion wouldn't have spread so much outside of the Jewish people.
@@Veritas231
No why ? How does non belief take more blind faith then belief ?
What’s the “strong enough evidence” for ME to say “I’ll humble myself” to a God of my choice?
Do you “humble yourself” to Vishnu or Apollo as well ?
Whatever God you choose to “humble yourself” to will be the God you believe in.
@@jasonnoble7302
Non belief takes more faith because of REALITY. You gotta close you're eyes to not see how ridiculously complex the whole world around us is. Idk what your beliefs are about the origin of the world but like cliff said, "What's harder to believe?
That life came from nothing or non life, or that life came from Life?"
Name 1 time in our world that you see a living organism come from something inanimate.
Never. Why? Because that violates the laws of this world.
Oh, Yeah. Our world has laws that govern everything in it.
Entropy, gravity, all the laws that make our universe rational and intelligible.
If the laws of physics changed everyday the world wouldn't make any sense. We wouldn't be able to do science because everyday you'll get a different answer from the same test.
Who put these laws into place??
Why is the world we live in rational??
Why can we as humans understand the world around us??
The evidence is all around us.
You would have to be blind to not see it. I grew up being told that there was no God imagine my bewilderment when I realized there is. Imaging the fear then peace finding out He's a God that loves us.
That's mind blowing stuff right there. Reality is better than any sci-fi movie ever could come up with.
@@Veritas231
No
You’ve got it backwards. Atheism doesn’t make an origin claim. It doesn’t make a claim at all. Atheism is a rejection of your claim that you know your God is part of reality.
Like I said if you “humble yourself” to Vishnu then you will believe in Vishnu.
As for “That life came from nothing or non life, or that life came from Life?"
Where did Gods desire to create this world come from ? Nothing ? Did Gods desire to create just arbitrarily happen ? See, cliff’s arguments are garbage. Gods desire to create isn’t more likely then something from nothing.
And it gets even less likely with the Christian God.
Before God created the universe was it perfect ? Was Gods existence perfect or not ?
There are different perspectives on what people think the place of hell is. It makes sense however, that it is where God is not, and that means it is darkness without the light if God, and all the good gifts God bestows on his children.
what is 'Hell' according to what you believe joanne? I'm perfectly fine with it being 'nothingness' but the thought of any human being being tortured in some way.. forever, is more than a little unsettling, even if it was someone who committed an horrific crime, no human judge would see fit to punish someone like that.
@@Theo_Skeptomaiis your reality simply made up by what you can actually see at the very moment? I've never been to Australia, but I'm pretty sure Australia exists. I wasn't alive when the Battle of Gettysburg was fought, yet I can go to the battlefield and see it and read the accounts of people that were there when it happened to know it happened.
Have I "seen," God or Heaven? No. Yet we are not only surrounded by the evidence of God but the evidence is within us. Whether you believe or accept that evidence is irrelevant; it doesn't change the fact that that evidence is there.
nice work Cliffe.
Thank you 🙏
God is my one true eternal Father
I need Jesus Christ is my life 🙏🏼
What a wisdom. , cliffs is
A spark of faith is all a man needs to start being intelligent enough to start to understand God’s world
@@Theo_Skeptomai the mustard seed
@@Theo_Skeptomaiand you need to stop being inexorable so the spark of faith can grow.
@@Theo_Skeptomai "Spark of faith"???
When you watch a movie or TV show, your mind psychologically does a trick. Suspension of Disbelief.
This means that even though you know the movie or TV show is fake, you ignore that, you suspend your disbelief, and then watch it as if it were real (so you can enjoy the show). After it's over, you know full well that it wasn't real, but it was entertaining.
Ok, so what's the point about this having anything to do with "spark of faith"........ That's exactly what it is..... Suspending your disbelief is a spark of faith that it could be real for the time-period that you are watching it.
If you used this SAME concept (suspension of disbelief) and read the bible as if it were true, your eyes would be opened to an entire new reality. Don't read the bible trying to disprove it. Read it as though it were true, just like any other novel you might read. Reading the bible this way will actually INCREASE your IQ.
Of course the question is..... If Christianity is TRUE, would you even follow it? Doubt it, because you likely don't have the guts to discover if God actually exists by reading the bible with just a little bit of faith that it might be true. You can suspend your disbelief for a movie, or books, for TV shows, but not the bible? That's weak! Read the whole thing in context.
@@CelticSpiritsCoventhat is so weak and banale ,even a Kirby salesman could do better
@@ericscaillet2232 So you reject the science of psychology. Got it.
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Still needing others' approval. Serve the Lord, and we'll all be together.
@justingary5322having so many words indicates many floors," thou shall not have any slaves" is so much more effective .the Bible has some of God's words in it not all due to having been written by man and not God -that is all.
Who's tuning into Uncle Cliff from the glorious land of New Zealand ?
I'm tuning into Cliff from the glorious land of sunny England, praise the internet 😀
@@bonnie43uk Amen! 😆
Yes sir, I first saw Cliffe on Shine TV. I love these videos.
@@EmbracingTeReoMaorihave any idea whom you are glorifying wrong by saying amen ,do some research.
@@ericscaillet2232 why don't you kindly offer me up some gentle correction then Eric.
As Cliff has said numerous times its not religion but just to trust in and believing Jesus
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We're always so quick to get upset instead of just listening and hearing out the rationality amongst peers.
Dude was so mad that he took his glasses off and immediately put them back on again.
وَهذِهِ هِيَ الْحَيَاةُ الأَبَدِيَّةُ: أَنْ يَعْرِفُوكَ أَنْتَ الإِلهَ الْحَقِيقِيَّ وَحْدَكَ وَيَسُوعَ الْمَسِيحَ الَّذِي أَرْسَلْتَهُ." (يو 17: 3). تركتم الاب الاله الوحيد الحقيقي وعبدتم الرسول
And of course they killed the messenger ...
For love to exist there has to be free will.
*Research (supernatural bible changes), it's **_IMPORTANT!!!_* ❤✝️💪
Proverbs 18:10
The name of the LORD is a strong tower: the righteous runneth into it, and is safe.
Repent the kingdom of God is at hand!
John 10:10👑
“The thief does not come except to steal, and to kill, and to destroy. I have come that they may have life, and that they may have it more abundantly.”
Laws of Rape (Deuteronomy 22:28-29 NAB)
If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her.
Rape then pay the price and still get the rewards 🤮
@@jasonnoble7302 You Atheists cherry-pick verses that sound bad on the surface level, completely miss the entire point because you refuse to read in context, and then act like God is evil.
Did you copy and paste this from some dumb Atheist website and then think that you somehow "won"?????
Listen up....
The word translated “rape” can mean other things. The Hebrew word . . . simply means to take hold of something, grasp it in hand, and (by application) to capture or seize something. It is the verb used for ‘handling’ the harp and flute (Gen. 4:21), the sword (Ezek. 21:11; 30:21), the sickle (Jer. 50:16), the shield (Jer. 46:9), the oars (Ezek. 27:29), and the bow (Amos 2:15). It is likewise used for ‘taking’ God’s name (Prov. 30:9) or ‘dealing’ with the law of God (Jer. 2:8). Joseph’s garment was ‘grasped’ (Gen. 39:12; cf. 1 Kings 11:30), even as Moses ‘took’ the two tablets of the law (Deut. 9:17).
It is necessary to take Deuteronomy 22:28-29 together with Exodus 22:16-17, which says this:
If a man seduces a virgin who is not betrothed and lies with her, he shall give the bride price for her and make her his wife. If her father utterly refuses to give her to him, he shall pay money equal to the bride price for virgins.
These two passages cover the same situation: a man sleeps with a virgin who is not betrothed. Note that, in Exodus 22, there is no hint of force or rape-there is only enticement or seduction. The penalty is that he must pay the dowry and marry the girl; if the girl’s father doesn’t like the match, he can refuse to allow the marriage. According to the halakha, the girl had a similar right of refusal. But the man who fooled around must still pay the dowry.
The fact that Deuteronomy 22:28-29 deals with consensual sex, not rape, is proved four ways:
1) A comparison with the parallel law in Exodus 22:16-17 (see above) shows that no force is involved. The “seizing” of the girl, as the ESV and NKJV say in Deuteronomy 22:28, has more to do with seduction than coercion.
2) The verses immediately preceding Deuteronomy 22:28-29 have already dealt with rape (verses 25-27). The penalty for that crime is specified: the rapist is executed. There’s no reason to deal with rape again in verses 28-29. Further, the penalties are different: in one, the man dies; in the other, the man lives. Obviously, different crimes are in view.
3) Deuteronomy 22:28 contains an important statement that cannot be overlooked: “and they are discovered.” In other words, it’s not just the man who is “found out” (NKJV); it’s both of them. It’s a case in which both the man and the woman somehow share a portion of the blame. Therefore, “there is no force involved, and it is not rape. But their action has been discovered. . . . The man cannot walk away from his sin. He has put the young woman in a very difficult life situation, in which there would be few (or no) other men who would want to marry her. . . . God holds both the parties accountable, instructing them to get married and stay together” (Butt, op. cit.).
4) There are two distinct Hebrew words used in the same passage. The word translated “rapes” in Deuteronomy 22:25 is the Hebrew word chazaq. But verse 28 contains a different verb, translated “seizes” in the ESV: taphas. The different verbs suggest different actions.
No, the Old Testament never commands a rape victim to marry her rapist. The irrevocable marriage contract was reserved for men who had mistreated a woman in some way and damaged her ability to marry. This is in fact, God showing that women are valuable and giving them rights. You got a problem with women rights?
Next time you think you are going to post a bible verse, google your bible verse from some other source than an Atheist website, then realize that your Atheist website is abjectly ignorant, then leave your dumb Atheist cult religion and enter reality.
“ I like mission impossible”😂 18:06
That was funny 😂 it got me too!
May Lord Jesus cover you Cliff with his precious blood 🩸 in Jesus Mighty Name
I was 7 years old when this was recorder now I'm 34
I wasn’t born for another 5yrs 😅😂I love the older videos of Cliffe
Watching this and seeing people keep going back to saying that the consequence of people’s decisions means that God is not a loving God. I wish he had discussed what love really is in this context. That if God made us so that we can not choose to go against His wishes, then we do not have free choice and without free choice they is not love. If you can control how someone acts toward you, there is no place for love in that. It is robotic. It is choosing only to the extent that you don’t choose to go against another. Love means that you have a choice and you choose God (in this example). Just like if you had a significant other who you very much loved but you could force them to “love” you by not allowing them to make any decisions that are contradictory to what you what them to do… that is not allowing them to love you back. Because they may choice not to… God allows us to choose to go against what He would like to see us do because if He did not allow that then that is not actually allowing us the opportunity to love Him back. And from that, some choose to be separated from God in this life, and so he does honor your decision and does not force you to make a choice you do not want to make, but they also means you would spend eternity separate from Him. Just like if a boy likes a girl but she chooses not to like or love him back and instead chooses to separate herself from him… if he loves her then he will leave her alone and allow her to love her life separate from him… if he is obsessed and controlling then he might try to force her to stick around but they is not showing true love and not allowing her the choice to love him or not. Same thing.
"When the Bible says that God is all powerful that does not mean that he can make squre circles."
You mean that gid can not make a rock that is not a rock.
"When the Bible says that God is good and all powerful that does not mean that he can make a free human being that always chooses to do good."
Do you mean that we're no longer free in heaven?
Daisy Daisy lyrics
Daisy, Daisy, give me your answer do,
I'm half crazy,
All for the love of you.
It won't be a stylish marriage,
I haven't got a carriage,
But you'll look sweet, up on the seat,
Of a bicycle built for two
To the one man I would say this. All the good that we may do in our life does not cancel out the bad. If someone was to go to court for something really bad and you told the judge well listen judge I have done good. I feed the hungry children. If the judge is just he will judge on the crime not all the good. So remember the good does not cancel out the bad.
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Have you ever lied, stolen, used God's name in vain, looked wuth lust? if so you need to repent today and Believe in Jesus Christ to save you from Hell and go to heaven instead
If Cliffe would find the truth of the Bible that hell also will be burned up in the Lake of Fire, and the wicked will be not forever, his words would have much more power to convince.
Still, I praise and thank God for raising up Cliffe to preach the truth that he has.
Yes I agree that there is no way that the wicked will not be forever, it makes no sense for people that are in heaven to have eternal life and for people that are hell to have eternal life as well. Even if eternal life in suffering, is still eternal life.
So Cliff is not wrong when he is saying that hell is eternal separation from God, but I also believe that many people are afraid of hell. But the way I understand it is that hell is the last act of mercy for wicked people, because when God will lift all of his good gifts there will only be dispair and suffering, so therefore They will burn and they will remain burnt forever, not in a eternal state of turure in fire but in eternal state of being burnt forever, mening there will be nothing left from their being.
Telling people hell isn't forever will have LESS power to convince. The fear of God is the beginning of wisdom.
@@Josiahministries Sure, fear as in how a child fears his parents because of their authority I presume, not terror, as in to controll someone, manipulate someone through it, like dark age catholic church.
Cliff is just saying that hell is separation from God, and probably that's enough for people. There are more important issues to discuss, like discussing about Jesus.
@Justin Gary Slaves were a big part of society in those days, but the way God made the rules regarding the already existing slaves, it gave them more freedom and more rights.
I like that it says in the Bible that if a slave wanted to ramai a slave after the end of his slave years, the slave's master should allow him to stay with him. People became slaves mostly because of poverty, so there is actually a good part of it, when a good master takes a slave and gives him a purpose instead of being a social burden, that's the way God allowed slavery. Of course that slavery shouldn't exist, but that's how wahs the world back than.
@Justin Gary Justin, you must humble yourself, repent of your pride, and ask the Holy Spirit to lead you into all truth, and away from your blasphemy.
Do you want eternal life with your Creator - Jesus Christ?
The irony is that if any other religion, Hindu, Muslim, Buddhist, were preaching on univeristy grounds, nobody would dare laugh, mock or question them on their beliefs.
Christianity is the only religion people openly hate.
I don't hate Christianity or Christians bugen5, but I certainly question the beliefs. I've certainly heard Cliffe question other beliefs on campus when Muslims have challenged him.
@@bonnie43uk 99.9% of Atheists hate God. It's just a fact. I know 100's of 1000's of ex-Atheists who have all told me the same thing. They hated God, didn't want him to exist, and got triggered every time God was brought up.
So what makes you the 0.1% that "doesn't hate Christianity or Christians"?
Did nothing (which is your invisible sky daddy) descend upon us and mandate that we be nice to each other?
Seems like Cliffe misspoke. God COULD create a free human being who always chooses to do good. It is possible that Adam and Eve could have never chosen to do evil.
But God cannot create a free human being who is always FORCED to do good.
Being free and never doing evil are not mutually exclusive categories. Being free and being forced are mutually exclusive categories.
He probably assumed this point. I agree with you that the explication of "forced to" is inherently opposed to "free to" as it applies to "doing". Again, This point is so utterly obvious that even a light adherence to the principle of charity will take it as implicit.
Is the Bible and the apocrifs the only books that can absorb the word of God? How can we keep the people of God around us? Bless everyone reading this
Under our apostle Paul’s ministry,to be SAVED you must BELIEVE The Gospel of Jesus Christ,1 st Corinthians Chapter 15 verse 1-4.Jesus Christ died on the cross for your sins,was buried,and rose again on the third day.Jesus Christ’s Shed Blood is what saves you when you believe this plan of salvation with your heart.
18:36 Adam and Eve's sin wasn't necessarily that they are the fruit of knowledge of good and evil, it was that they sinned in their hearts by not trusting God with what He said is right, good, and just. Their sin was trusting themselves, and the devil, over trusting God. It took root in their hearts first before they made any action. That is why salvation begins with Lord Jesus Christ changing the inner man, and later will change the outer man when He returns and makes us with glorified bodies.
22:14 My dude, the solution to your problems and your dilemma here is that God DID give you a solution, but in your stubborn rebellion you REJECT His FREE GIFT of salvation. You get saved, not hy what you do or your own merits of obedience to the Law, but hy putting your faith and trust in Lord Jesus Christ, believing and TRUSTING GOD that His plan for your salvation, Lord Jesus Christ bleeding and dying on the cross, being buried, and rising from the dead on the 3rd day is SUFFICIENT PAYMENT for your sins. THAT is how you get to Heaven. I am not going to Heaven because I met Gods standard of righteousness, I know irrefutably that I HAVE NOT done so, I am going to Heaven because Lord Jesus Christ died and bleed on the cross, was buried, and rose from the dead on the 3rd day to pay my debt I OWE God, a debt I cannot pay on my own.
Most people are going to Hell not necessarily because they sin, the wages of sin is death not Hell, most people are going to be in Hell because they have rejected Gods gift of salvation.
25:28 One good act does not erase all of the countless times we sin. A billion good acts doesn't erase the times we broke Gods Laws. We are NOT justified by works. We are justified by putting our faith in Lord Jesus Christ, for He and He ALONE is the justifer and finisher of our faith, of our salvation, being God.
For you have been saved by grace through faith, NOT of yourselves; this is a GIFT FROM GOD; NOT of works, so that nobody can boast.
@Justin Gary God bless you brother Justin Gary for taking the time to type out all of this and make it clear for those who actually are interested in learning something rather than shouting out religious athiest dogmas. All praise and glory be to Christ our King.
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Time Stamp: 14:59.
Mike drop 🎤
Mike might have dropped but still has not reached the floor.
I've watched many of your videos now and am very grateful for your wisdom, thanks alot. I was wondering if you could some time address in further detail your idea and opinion on the spiritual layer of reality, what some other words are for it, what is it, how do we know it etc.
care to elaborate on this?
So much for the holy joes answering.
God created our free will, because to love him needs to be a free choice. Jesus, freely chose because of his love for humanity, to suffer and shed his blood, and die on a cross for us to obtain salvation.
As for the man in the black jumper and glasses,... We are saved by Grace through Faith and NOT by works..... Which is what he's talking about regarding the Jewish man who went to stay with his own people.... That's works.
Damn lookit that young whippersnapper
God created Reality and chooses to obey the own rules of reality he set
Time Stamp 27:30. This guy has so much confidence he's, one-upped God. He doesn't realize he's talking his way into Luke 16:19. Man's love for themselves is a downfall.
Our finger prints alone point to order and design. No one in this world past or present has ever had the same finger prints, that alone should stand on itself that God exist. Not only that but he has a personal relationship with everyone of us. Try to just picture knowing every person in the world completely.
The last gentleman:
I took my children to get their shots from the dr as babies. They did nothing wrong, yet suffered. I did it not out of wrong nor not being powerful enough to keep them from the dr’s needle. I know that the brief moment of unhappiness (which seemed to last forever to the child) compared to the next 100 years of wellness that it will be worth it in the end.
Too often we as people stumbling and bumbling around are focused on the (hopefully) 100 years in front of us.
But considering my son at his experience of 6th birthday 🎂, my other son at his “I am finally there- many years to get to 7th birthday 🎉.!!” It seemed to them a day was long, a week really long and a year is almost forever. But when they are in their grey haired days a day will fly by unnoticed, a week in a flash and yet another year so quickly. It is all perspective.
So that 100 years we stumble around and have suffering, we also have joy. But don’t be caught in the moment as if that is all there is. According to the bible WE all WILL be in eternity. So the 100 years off suffering if you could extrapolate a person suffered that long continuously- has the option to surrender themselves to God. And that 100 years after the first thousand in heaven will be like a single year to an old man. In a thousand years that first 100 will be a moment. What about a million years later in heaven? A moment so brief! A billion years later- a spec of dirt on an otherwise perfectly clean existence. At year one trillion, please explain to me how even something so radical a thought of someone suffering 100 years non stop would be anything more than laughable to that man who has been in heaven for a trillion years SO FAR, knowing he has the joy of it continuously growing at an ever increasing differential.
Many people (God followers or not) can sing a couple lines of the song Amazing Grace- usually to the part of ‘but now I see’. Read the lyrics though. There is a more crucial line in application here: “When we’ve been dead ten thousand years, bright shinning as the sun… We’ve no less days to sing God’s praise, than when we’ve first begun.”
Honestly contemplate that. The song writer’s desire to sing (obviously their personal passion) is on point with the realization of eternity still in front of them. I love to see and learn new things. God made everything there is the universe in 6 days. In theory I could learn it all- ahh, nothing new to see and experience. Unless, God decided to show me what Be could do next. What new emotions He can share. What new dimensions He can unvail. Never accept the bogus argument you would eventually tire of eternal heaven- won’t happen.
The idea of God ending people’s lives, or allowing others to end their lives is about the worst case scenario someone can use in this gentleman’s argument. But God isn’t stopping anyone’s existence. You simply move to another “location” or another “state”.
The Bible says: Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake: some to everlasting life, others to shame and everlasting contempt.
So YOU have a choice to make. Dedicate time into learning about this and be willing to be humbled by God. Do it with an earnest openness. If you start playing a game determined to loose, you will. Don’t make that mistake here. Jesus stands at the door knocking. You can open it and yell at his face, or you can open it and let him in.
You have eternity to contemplate why you did what you did. You have now only to make the right choice.
Unlikely
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Hey cliffe you know if Mary is the mother of god ?
Mary is not the "Mother of God". That's ridiculous. She was the earthly mother of the human known as Jesus, not the spiritual mother of Jesus.
God (The Father) has no mother that anyone is aware of or even spoke about.
Why does all his opponents always get upset and angry? I really haven't seen a student that he debated that didn't get mad.
When this was recorded, I wasn't even married to my 2nd wife yet, but I CAN tell you that, if someone is talking about Jesus, he knows damn well Jesus is "NOT delulted!" "Such sarcasm"! I pray that person has reiterated that comment and know, someday, we all will kneel before God! Take Jesus as your savior, and repent your sins to Jesus and be saved and live for eternity! John 3:16 in the KJB/KJV. With 🙏's and ❤️!
God is consistent, He decreed that the cost of sin is death, but He also love us so much He don't want us to die. Can an all powerful God change the law about the cost of sin? Sure, just like He can change round earth can be flat, but because God is consistent He sent Jesus to die on the cross for our sins to follow that consistent rule He decreed. The next question would be "then what about Lazarus's resurrection? Did God not decreed that once a being died, they cannot go back to life?" Based on what we know, God does not decreed that, therefore death does not mean permanent death, therefore life after death, like what Jesus said, is possible.
I can not Anderstand... Please subtitle Indonesia or Malaysia..
You can't study love. People often make empty gestures that from the outside may look loving, but inwardly they have an ulterior motive. Hugs, kisses, sex, gifts are not accurate quantifiers of what love is. Love is something that can only accurately be experienced by individuals and can't accurately be captured with physical evidence.
All this to say that the fact that we are capable of experiencing something more than physical and tangible is evidence that there is more to this world than the physical and tangible. Being in a loving relationship with God is something that can only be experienced on an individual level, both by the individual and those around them.
Why dont you talk bout the sabbath....
I never understood the argument that because there is suffering in the world, this is a presupposition that either God doesn't exist, or God is not Love. God gives man free will. That is love. But free will can be used to cause suffering. Since we are created with fee will and choose to do evil, God will not go against His nature and immediate strip us of our free will. But God is patient as well. He gave Pharoah 400 years to repent. God takes no pleasure in the death of the wicked (Ezechiel 33:11) The bible also says there will be day of righteous judgement (Hebrews 9:27).
@Theo Skeptomai It would be a contradiction if a person doesn't understand how to read the Bible. Without God, suffering is subjective. If God is not the standard to judge good and evil, how can suffering be called suffering. You say rape is wrong, but it's just your opinion. It's impossible to live out moral relativism. Have a great day.
@@Disciple793 How does God giving us free will explain the suffering that millions of people suffer from via natural disasters like earthquakes, floods and droughts?, these are natural phenomenon which have absolutely no bearing on a persons free will to do good or bad. I can envision a God in my own mind who would create a world in which those types of natural phenomenon did not exist.
Also, it's not just a case of saying "rape is wrong" as an opinion, the reason we can say it's wrong is because of the physical and mental harm it causes the victim. It's not something like preferring strawberry or vanilla, rape has terrible consequences, if i choose vanilla over strawberry, that is merely a preference.
@@Theo_Skeptomai And how the hell do you KNOW that there could not possibly be a creator god if there is suffering. Like, exactly explain to us how you know that is an absolute fact.
I want evidentiary fact of that. I don't want your subjective opinion, I want to see the actual facts.
@@CelticSpiritsCoven You're asking Theo for 'evidentiary fact' while not giving any evidentiary fact of God's existence in the first place.
@@Theo_Skeptomai Yes you did. Here is what you wrote: "here can not possibly be an omni-benevolent, omnipotent, and omniscient creator god if there is uninvolved, needless suffering."
So now I am asking you to provide evidentiary fact of how you know this to be true.
"God can do whatever He wants." Really? Any CEOs of a corporation or small business owners here? Anyone here working towards a certain objective? Can you just willy nilly do whatever you want and expect to be successful?
Last I checked a CEO is not all knowing and all powerful, nor did they create the entire universe from nothing. What's a CEO got to do with God's sovereignty?
At the 25 minute mark, the gentleman’s point of the jewish man who sacrificed himself attempting to save the others around him:
There will be a judgment day. Think of a criminal who robs a bank of 2 million dollars but doesn’t kill anyone. Then he records giving away half the money helping hungry and homeless, walking little old ladies across the street in the process. Then goes in front of the judge for the bank robbery and shows the videos of all the help he did. Does that judge, if he is just, let him go? A penalty must be paid. Maybe the guy would continue helping others if not in jail, then a fine must be paid. He is judged for the errors committed not the good moments.
The Bible says The wages of sin is death. Jesus who committed no sin paid the fine and offers that payment to you and I. If the judge levies a fine of 5 million dollars to the robber as to give restitution to both the bank and public, he only has 1 million left. He can’t pay it. But if I step in and pay the 5 million, the robber is free. It is a free gift from Jesus that your sins cost be covered by his death on the cross payment for the wage due.
Now what if that Jewish man is condemned by God as the gentleman in the video implies? Jesus gave an example - The servant who knows the master’s will and does not get ready or does not do what the master wants will be beaten with many blows. But the one who does not know and does things deserving punishment will be beaten with few blows. From everyone who has been given much, much will be demanded; and from the one who has been entrusted with much, much more will be asked. So let’s imagine the Jewish guy choses not to be with God for eternity but instead gets hell. Maybe he will be at an unpleasant 89° in hell while Hitler is at 890°. Maybe the Jewish guy watches the re-runs on tv for eternity but has to have commercials and Hitler would get static and poor sound and only commercials with just a glimpse of the real show enough to get his hopes up. Now, the level of heat or tv example I give is a pure speculation obviously- but remember- God is just. God’s amount of just is so overflowing that it is where we get our desire for justice from.
Something else to consider- on the viewpoint of there is no God and that Jewish man gave himself… then there is no absolute right or wrong so it wouldn’t matter they burned him or that he gave himself wanting to save his people. It just is what it is, and his choice was then wrong to do so because all we have is the time we are alive then nothing. So he should have taken the offer and found a few more moments of pleasure in doing something else before he perished in nothingness.
No person knows the heart and last moment wishes and beliefs of another like God does. But think this through a minute. Jesus gave his life on a cross to offer eternal salvation to you and me. The Jewish man gave his life attempting to save or at least prolong (story not completely clear) the lives of others around him. Would God be pleased with that? The Bible say the devil came to kill, steal, and destroy. But Jesus said He is the way, the truth, and the life. Jesus told people to follow Him. Jesus said to love one another. You tell me, was he following the instructions God set forth? Was that Jewish man when in the building before the gas was turned on trying to comfort others? Was he praying to God? In my belief he was, and his prayers were answered by eternity with God. In the gentleman in the video’s viewpoint- it was all in vain. The gentleman in the video used emotions to tug at your heart trying to reach for some in justice that a flying spaghetti monster doesn’t exist BECAUSE HE IS MEAN. Mean spaghetti monster, mean and unfair!!! No. The Jewish man obviously loved God and loved his people more than himself. Like Moses who never heard the name Jesus will be in heaven (aka eternity with God) because he put his trust in God and it is plainly evident by his following God’s desire to be willing to help others the best way you can. It was a well executed emotional argument though, and I am sure it will hold water with those who don’t actually understand the other side of the argument who don’t realize it’s an emotive one that is self refuting based on if no God then no real justice exists.
God doesn’t exist
Nice try though 🫠
@Justin Gary point is everyone does some positive things and some negative things.
A just judge will look at the bad things and have to put a charge to them.
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Cliffe is preaching to non believers, as a non believer, I can certainly accept a lot of Jesus's teachings of love, kindness and acceptance of others, those are commendable human attributes we should all adhere to. I do struggle to accept this same person was 'The son of God'. That is a mighty big claim. I think I'm right in saying that during the time he lived on the planet for 30+ years, and performed incredible miracles, not a single person wrote a single word about him. That in of itself gives me cause to doubt that claim. Am I condemned to eternal damnation for doubting other people's claims?
@ 4:55 Cliffe answers that question. Did you watch the vid'?
“I am trying here to prevent anyone saying the really foolish thing that people often say about Him: I’m ready to accept Jesus as a great moral teacher, but I don’t accept his claim to be God. That is the one thing we must not say. A man who was merely a man and said the sort of things Jesus said would not be a great moral teacher. He would either be a lunatic - on the level with the man who says he is a poached egg - or else he would be the Devil of Hell. You must make your choice. Either this man was, and is, the Son of God, or else a madman or something worse. You can shut him up for a fool, you can spit at him and kill him as a demon or you can fall at his feet and call him Lord and God, but let us not come with any patronizing nonsense about his being a great human teacher. He has not left that open to us. He did not intend to.” ~ Lewis
@@curiousgeorge555 Hi George, you're giving the 'Liar, lunatic or Lord' C S Lewis defence. Can you not think of a 4th option?. I'm not convinced that everything that Jesus said was of great moral righteousness. Saying we should love our enemies can be seen by many as extreme foolishness, if you're enemy is out to destroy you or enslave you. What would Jesus say to the likes of Hitler? Loving your enemy may be appropriate in certain situations, but it does not always work.
The 4th option would be 'legend'. When a human being is given legendary supernatural status years after their death, .. i think this would fit Jesus.
@@bonnie43uk Hi Bonnie, here again Lewis is of great help:
"It’s here that Lewis addresses the rebuttal that Jesus did not really say these things; his followers exaggerated the story and the legend grew that he really said these things. Lewis shows how unlikely it would be for the Jews to invent God become man:
This is difficult because His followers were all Jews; that is, they belonged to that Nation which of all others was most convinced that there was only one God-that there could not possibly be another. It is very odd that this horrible invention about a religious leader should grow up among the one people in the whole earth least likely to make such a mistake. On the contrary we get the impression that none of His immediate followers or even of the New Testament writers embraced the doctrine at all easily.
The other option is that the accounts of Jesus were written as legends. Here Lewis draws upon his scholarly expertise:
Now, as a literary historian, I am perfectly convinced that whatever else the Gospels are they are not legends. I have read a great deal of legend and I am quite clear that they are not the same sort of thing. They are not artistic enough to be legends. From an imaginative point of view they are clumsy, they don’t work up to things properly. Most of the life of Jesus is totally unknown to us, as is the life of anyone else who lived at that time, and no people building up a legend would allow that to be so. Apart from bits of the Platonic dialogues, there is no conversation that I know of in ancient literature like the Fourth Gospel. There is nothing, even in modern literature, until about a hundred years ago when the realistic novel came into existence.
So Lewis thinks it implausible that monotheistic Jews would have invented an incarnate Messiah and he thinks that the genre of the gospels bears none of the typical marks of legends-based upon a lifetime of scholarly and leisure reading of ancient legends. Therefore, the Jesus of the Bible is the Jesus of history. And if this one Jesus were not Lord, he would be a liar or a lunatic. But he is truthful (not a liar) and sane (not a lunatic). Therefore he is Lord."
Paper and writing was expensive. Reading and writing wasn’t commonplace like now. People preferred hearing it from eyewitnesses.
i love these videos as im starting to ask more questions than i ever have. what happens to people that die from those irresponible decisions of other people if death comes before those people have time to repent for any sins they have committed?
@@Theo_Skeptomai BS. Absolute BS.
Guess what you ignorant Atheist...... since you don't want to be with God, then in the end you will get your wish. You will either:
1. Become fertilizer with no further experience.
2. Burn in hell.
So why are you on here lurking around and getting triggered by God? You win in the end.... you won't be with God. So stop complaining and getting triggered.
No matter how evil people may act, the way people wish to be treated is in accordance with the 10 Commandments. No one wants to be lied to, murdered, cheated on, stolen from, etc. Atheists imagine that magical talking fairy rocks knows this and inserted cleverly designed chemicals into their DNA.
Atheism is hogwash fairy tales as a way to deny stark reality. Stop complaining if you "win" in the end.
Here is an important answer that Cliffe is missing.
The word for "eternal" hell is aion and can just mean age. In Matthew 24 the disciples ask Jesus what will be the signs of the end of this world. World is aion here. So you gotta keep in mind that certain people had motives geared towards keeping people afraid of burning forever and making you pay $ for your own salvation. Luke 16 mentions a gulf. There is a good side and a bad side. Think to yourself. How could we enjoy heaven if all of the goody goodies are on one side and right next store there's a boiling pit of lava where people are not just burning for billions of years, but trillions upon trillions of years. How could a loving God allow that? And how could we enjoy heaven if one of our loved ones didn't make it? No, after the 1000 years they are blotted out. It's as if they never existed. Gone from our memories and gone from our lives for good. They burn up like fat to a spiddle and the smoke of their ashes go up forever and ever. Revelation 20:14 “And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.”God is a consuming fire and I'm not saying He is that lake of fire, but he indeed can destroy the soul.
Taking the mistranslation out of hell part 1
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Taking the mistranslation out of hell part 2
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Shepherds Chapel God the consuming fire and hells fire
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Bro what are these guys even saying
Jesus said to Peter" you will be my rock within this rock I will build my church". Sir stop confusing people. We have to follow the holy word that is written. Man made church is not from God.
You contradicted yourself. If Jesus said to Peter that he will build his church (off of Peter), then man-made church is exactly what Jesus was condoning, or he wouldn't have said that he would use Peter to build "his church".
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Here is the answer that Cliffe is missing.
The word for "eternal" hell is aion and can just mean age. In Matthew 24 the disciples ask Jesus what will be the signs of the end of this world. World is aion here. So you gotta keep in mind that certain people had motives geared towards keeping people afraid of burning forever and making you pay $ for your own salvation. Luke 16 mentions a gulf. There is a good side and a bad side. Think to yourself. How could we enjoy heaven if all of the goody goodies are on one side and right next store there's a boiling pit of lava where people are not just burning for billions of years, but trillions upon trillions of years. How could a loving God allow that? And how could we enjoy heaven if one of our loved ones didn't make it? No, after the 1000 years they are blotted out. It's as if they never existed. Gone from our memories and gone from our lives for good. They burn up like fat to a spiddle and the smoke of their ashes go up forever and ever. Revelation 20:14 “And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.”God is a consuming fire and I'm not saying He is that lake of fire, but he indeed can destroy the soul.
Taking the mistranslation out of hell part 1
ruclips.net/video/_7o6UD4z4Xc/видео.html
Taking the mistranslation out of hell part 2
ruclips.net/video/S22ui_KZBAk/видео.html
Shepherds Chapel God the consuming fire and hells fire
ruclips.net/video/h25qRU9W2hg/видео.html
You don't know definitely any of this
Cliffe will often use the phase "God chose to partially limit his power so that man could have free will", where in the Bible does God actually infer that?. And how is that beneficial to mankind if God has the power to prevent natural disasters which kill and maim millions of people all over the globe, destroying people's lives, when he has to power to prevent that? eg: 4 months ago there was a massive earthquake in Turkey and Syria that killed and injured around 200,000 people and destroyed their homes, could God have prevented that?, if you're a believer, you'd have to answer "yes, he is God, he can do anything", what possible reason would he have to allow such a thing from occurring when he could have prevented it in a heartbeat?
"Cliffe will often use the phase "God chose to partially limit his power so that man could have free will", where in the Bible does God actually infer that?"
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. - 2 Peter 3:8-10
And Jesus answering said unto them "Suppose ye that these Galilaeans were sinners above all the Galilaeans, because they suffered such things? I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish." - Luke 13:2-3
The Bible is clear that God doesn't want anyone to perish, but He gives us the choice to do so. If He does not use His power to control every moment of our lives, like puppets on a string, He is limiting His power.
"And how is that beneficial to mankind if God has the power to prevent natural disasters which kill and maim millions of people all over the globe, destroying people's lives, when he has to power to prevent that?"
Many times natural disasters are God's judgement. Many times natural disasters are just part of the curse that we have brought on ourselves due to our sin; our rebellion against God. So, I suppose, whichever way you look at it, it's still judgement for our sins. Syria and Turkey worship a false god as their national religion. They persecute worshippers of the one true God. If God is loving, how could He not punish them?
@@Malhaloc I appreciate your reply malholoc, you're free to believe that, if what you say is true, God would only punish non Christian countries, but if you look at natural disasters, they don't discriminate against any particular faith, plenty of Christian countries have suffered total devastation including Christian churches being totally destroyed these natural disasters also kill little children, pregnant mothers, little babies regardless of whether they are Christian, Muslim, Hindu or whatever. If God is loving, how could he punish people who love him and worship him, and why destroy his own place of worship devoted to him?
From a natural point of view, it makes perfect sense why natural disasters happen, this world was not specifically designed for humanity.
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Where does God personally claim to limit His power? I have a couple of examples to consider. Could probably locate more and better ones but have a look:-
Numbers 11:23 (nasb translation) .. the Lord asks Moses rhetorically, "Is the LORD'S power limited?"..suggesting that He had displayed some restricted level of power but had much more in reserve that He chose to willingly limit use of.
And if you grant His speaking through prophets, I would consider Hos 5:15 a candidate where the LORD says He will return to his place (willingly restrict His power to do something) until the people turn to Him again.
@@robertmitchell-tv5yf you are now changing your question. I take it i answerd your previous question then.
Do you believe the story of the flood?
@@robertmitchell-tv5yf Deuteronomy 3: 17 "And the Lord sayeth to man, I shall limit my power, so that mankind shall haveth free will" . . . .
Na, i made that up. 🙂 Yes, i think it's something that Cliffe has come up with based on some other passage that he's read. I could be wrong of course. I've not heard any other pastors aside from Cliffe have that particular take on God's word
Btw the earth is flat, stationary and enclosed just as the Bible describes...
Shut up.
@@jessebryant9233 Is that idea any more ridiculous then the idea of an invisible space wizard making everything?
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The two are not even close. What do you believe? The cosmic nothing did it story? C'mon now...
@@jessebryant9233 Both rely on making up stories to fit their ridiculous magical worldview.
I don't know how the universe started. I also don't know what causes my truck to have a knocking sound specifically at 40 mph. But either case it is pure fantasy to try to answer the question with magical characters causing it.
@@OMGUKILLKENNY2
Both? How do you know that? And of course you don't know. You're clueless because you ignore all the evidence and empirical experience. That's why you arbitrarily label the best explanation as 'ridiculous.'
The first minute and a half are some of the most rambling nonsense I’ve ever heard in my life 😅 cliffe is a quack to this day
How do yall not understand? Is it willfull ignorance? You call him a quack so why do you listen??? Your atheist are so confusing you hate that we believe in God but why does that matter to you?
Racist attitudes who are you to say who is damned to hell You don't know it is beyond your understanding
Huh??!! 😕
No it’s pretty straightforward (and not based on race).
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