The ADA microcab was the most amazing direct-to-tape product I ever tried, and I tried it all. When they came out they were only something like 115 bucks, and then the price went up. An MP-1 with the microcab could make recorded guitar sounds that compete with well-recorded amp/mic methods. I never heard anything else that had the thump.
I'll be honest, I've been pining for the MB-1 (bass version) ever since I heard Sleepytime Gorilla Museum live. Their bassist played a Stingray5 and one of those into a power amp and a couple 410 cabs and it was just the HUGEST bass sound. I've seen a lot of bands and a lot of bands with extreme bass, but to this day nothing kicked me in the chest like the low B on that rig. thing is, I have a great rig currently, but it's very different. and the price on an mb1 is not insignificant...
9:33 oops! Not only do we hear crunchy clipping, but we can see it: the OD-1 clip light went on. You shouldn't see that when using the solid state clean.
absolutely , i found the classic distortion channel to be kinda digital sounding more like an ada mp2. the classics "brown" channel was good though, but i still prefer original mp1. Best of all is 3Tube mod !
I used to run mine into the low input on my old Marshall 1987 with 4x12 cab. The ADA MP-1 also has a nice chorus built in. This was THE preamp back in the day!
Thank you very very much for the tutorial! Also, I did it... well, 3 years after you but I did it. I have ADA MP-1, Mesa Boogie Triaxis and another tube preamp/pedal that I love and I couldn't understand why everyone these days sells them to by a fully digital modelling system. I keep having them and when I want to record I send the preamplified signal to my DAW, I add modeled power amp (Ignite amps) and then IRs and it's perfect. Soon, I am going to do a comparison between them and fully digital systems. For those who want a more plug and play solution there is Mooer Radar, Nux Solid Studio, or the more expensive Two Notes products.
This thing popped into the world in 89 or 90 and every guitar rag had an ad for it. I do remember Jason Becker's ad "Tone for days, with my ADAs." I saw Alex Skolnick from Testament use it during a show in 1990 and it sounded OK. Never owned one myself as it was out of my price range.
Also, this preamp was on a ton of recordings during the 80's like Vito Bratta of White Lion, Paul Gilbert of Mr. Big, Metallica, Nuno Bettencourt of Extreme, Snake from Skid Row, etc. I believe Michael Wagener loved to use this for guitars. With today's recording, one can send out a guitar signal to multiple preamps and blend them all later in mixing a lot easier than a room full of gear back in the day.
JamminMan77 Technically the original ADA MP-1 was, the MP-1 classic is not quite as special, pretty close, but doesn't have that "liquid" lead sound, or the amp-like rhythm, sounds like a line 6 model of the original.
I have the real ADA MP-1 (Nott not The MP-1 Classic) and absolutely love it!!!! And it sounds amazing with my original run Nuno Bettencourt Washburn N4. I have the actual settings Nuno used with the MP-1 given to me from his guitar tech through ADA if anyone would like them.
The ADA MP-1 80 was the one Kenny Hickey used on Bloody Kisses before going to Mesa or at least that's what's splattered all over the internet. Didn't know they reissued it or renamed it to Classic.
I have an old Digi-tech GFX-1 Twin Tube. Always liked it and just replaced the battery and put in new tubes, I think Digi-tech came out with it after ADA came out with the MP-1. Never played through the MP-1, I'll have to check out E bay etc. for them. I have played through the old version of the "Rock-tron Voodu Valve" and it was very similar to my GFX-1. So many tube pre-amps so little time ;) P.S. I still like my Digitech RP-7 as well, got that dual delays effects and pre-amp tube as well.
I was torn between this and the jmp1...ended up getting a hnk acess...there’s so many cool rack pre amps you can get for decent money. Way cooler than a plugin! Ada also had some rack speaker simulators...
I had the Cream Machine and TBH it was a bit of a one-trick pony, loads of smooth gain, not really any cleans. It could also put out 1W into a speaker! They also did the Crunch Machine 9both wer 1/2 width 1U rack units), plus a more flexible full-width 1U valve preamp whose name escapes me...
Probably, there are quite a few examples of that. The 12ax7 is running, but in a low voltage way, mostly as a token gesture. Digitech have done it, Marshall’s Valvestate line was the exact same thing
I appreciate him sharing the MP-1 Classic, it is good, but the real "magic" is in the original ADA MP-1, I have owned several MP-1's and MP-1 Classics, they are not the same. The MP-1 sounds organic and lively, like an amp, the classic sounds like a digital model of the MP-1, cold and sterile. Of course the Rockmaster beats them all but I still use my MP-1 all the time.
Haha I have 3 MP-1's and 2 Rockmasters. My MP-1's are a bog standard, no mods, a modded version with noise mod and MDRT transformer (totally adds more steroids to the original) and then the 3TM which is then like having another layer of tube breakup in the circuit for super tight and heavy gain. You know what I use the most? The Rockmaster live and the Rockmaster in the studio. I do fight with it's EQ sometime though and have looked into modding them for more bottom end. Not sure if I've achieved that but I still love them. Just wished they had more bottom end. Live it's not an issue but in studio it can be. However when it come to sticking something in a mix it's like it has the right amount of low end taken out of it and you don't need to hi pass it!!
I have the Peavey Rockmaster tube preamp as that was the one that sounded best out of the box at that time, among the contenders were ADA MP1, Boogie Studio and Quad, Chandler Tubedriver and the Soldano SP77 (I've had 2 of them).
A modern incarnation of the ADA rackmount tube preamp with midi in pedal form would be pretty cool but also have the preamp tubes easily accessible like on the Effectrode Blackbird would be great too. Combining it with the Two Notes Torpedo Cab or Line 6 HX Effects would give quite a bit of flexibility to run a line out to the effects return of a tube power amp or a stand-alone one like a Fryette Powerstation or Mesa Boogie Fifty Fifty or a solid state power amp like the Seymour Duncan PowerStage 170 or 700 or going to a FRFR active powered monitor wedge Laney IRT-X, ISP Technologies Vector FS8, Friedman ASM-12 or Atomic Amps CLR Neo MKII
So how much do preamps (not from the interfaces these days) for guitars effect tone when you go direct? That'd be interesting to see in comparison videos
forgetting the Rocktron and the other ART stuff, etc. Marshall also made the 9001, etc. I have an Ada Mp1 I just got back from the shop, got a new battery installed, but the weird thing is the amp out wont work, only the headphone out, THROUGH the power amp. No idea why its working this way but at least it works again lol. I also have a Mesa Studio, which is the one before they made the Quad. Many have said and this has been disputed by some, that it's the same (or close) to the preamp of the highly coveted Mark IIC+. Either way, it's very Mesa Mark sounding, and I use both with a Mesa 50/50. Also have a mosvalve thats having problems as a backup lol. I want a real marshall though...well one day. Btw, the cleans are to die for on the ADA. Pretty close to the awesomeness of the Mesa Studio. I also have a 5150 which, well, let's just say the cleans are less than heavenly (Well it doesnt have a clean channel lol)
I have the mp1 ( x2) , the classic, the jmp1, the MB studio and quad. All of them have their place. The classic sure is a Nice preamp , its a bit less in your face than the mp1 though. The quad / studio is my absolute favoriet, but so difficult to tweak since they are so sensitive
so this does have stage outputs to go to a power amp for live? i may be getting one of these for a super deal? think its worth it? do you ever use this for recording?
Yeah that's what these were originally designed for, live stage use with a rack power amp. It all depends on what sound you're after. I sold it on after a while, it's a great hair metal kind of sound, but didn't work with what my idea of a guitar tone should be. Doesn't mean it's a bad unit if you prefer this sound
Good morning, I own an Ada MP-1 Classic and would like to know how to put it in factory mode, erase all settings and leave it as it came in its original form, can you help me?
7:08 - ADA Recording Output 9:03 - Power am/IR jiggery Pokery Different....ADA is muddy in comparison sure....but I don't think terrible is the right word Good in studio review though dude! Shows the versatility for sure.
+Poot The Bard cool! It's hard to recommend, any good solid state amp with at least 250W at 8 ohms should work (it was designed to be used with solid state amps) or maybe a Mesa 20/20 or a Marshall 9100 if you're looking for a tube power amp
I am using an AMT SS-20 preamp along with an ISP Stealth power amp both in my pedalboard. The regular Stealth goes up to 180 watts into an 8 ohms cab, there is a smaller one too. Check those Stealth from ISP
I thought Extreme used the MP1 and not the MP1 Classic. And from what I am aware off the MP1 classic is not as good as the MP1. It's kinda like a re-issue with a few extras thrown in and a slightly different sound. I own a stock MP1, MP1 with MDRT transformer and a 3TM MP1. And also two Peavey Rockmasters for all of those people who mentioned that awesome preamp below!
Yeah didn't really get on with the Classic.I have a Stock MP-1.a 3.666,and one with just the noise mod.Also 2 MP-2s,and almost every other midi preamp,probably at least 25 preamps.
Wrong. The MP1 was voiced to replicate a whole amp head, that's why it works great with solid state power amps, and tube power amps can get kinda boomy. Remember the BBE sonic maximizer...it's useless without it. You would also need an eq in front, like the Furman PQ3. The ADA eats any digital garbage can for dinner thou... Wrong 2. The recording out sounds beautiful, you better dial in on your board, dude...
Nice, just a word. "I actually had to repair this....(or whatever you stated exactly) ...something was wrong, id turn it on and it would lose all of its presets...and all it was you know was just desoldering the battery..." Yikes man, please don't take this as a bitch slap or me being harsh on purpose. But you've got a lot of equipment behind you and you're giving a lot of technical advice about impulses and such and such that I happen to know about and a lot of other people do as well. Some people will know nothing but I will tell you this a lot will know that brother, when you buy an older piece of gear those batteries can sometimes last five years 10 years and if you're lucky some of them go surprising lengths.. 20 years! But man, lol, it's not a waste of money. There are people spending money for pedals that much or twice, a fucking pedal!....and this is not necessarily a "tube" preamp. It has two tubes in the circuitry. We are not running a 300 V rail here, with output transformers and shit. What makes so much of what people use for their sound ... hey! just popped in my mind, Ty Tabor... there's an example that shows you what you were really trying to say. But to finish what I was saying before so many things that go into distortion are the solid-state circuitry of finessing the gain to go from when you put that cord in the device, to the end result, brother, there are a lot of subtleties! And some solid state stuff sounds amazing! And some tubes stuff sounds amazing and some solid-state sounds like absolute garbage and some tube stuff sounds like garbage. This is not really a tube amp. Most of what you're hearing has to do with loading and ambulation of loading on your way out like when you mention the outputs but really 90% of it is in the circuitry I mean look at the inside of that box! Now you have a ton of electrolytic converters in there that are old like the dude from tales from the crypt. Going through the ones in the audio path, changing them it will sound like a different box. That said the tubes are doing a part, but not as much as you would think. The main thing that you acquaint to this box is all in the solid-state circuitry and then some warmth and maybe a little bit of a step up is happening in those tubes and those tubes are mainly to warm the non-distortion sound. But back to the battery thing, to be honest, one should know especially with all of that equipment behind you, and again please don't take me as an ass, turning a unit on and off and losing presets I mean come on that is to be expected on any older piece of gear. That doesn't mean something is wrong with the unit as you said or this needed repair, you have to assume as soon as you look at a piece of gear like that, before you purchase it the first thing that come in your mind should be...battery! Why? Because if that battery leaks because it's fucked and old, which it is, but in a particularly shitty way, so many of these machines from that time that didn't use flash, synthesizers everything, you will see batteries that have leaked especially the ones beginning with a V from Europe, all over your circuit board and that is a fucking problem! That is a repair! Maybe! Depending on how creative you are and the design of the piece. So many devices are throw out because of this. So whenever you purchase something this old always turn it on, turn it off and see as you're buying it, if it loses patches. Either way open it up put your eye right wherever a battery should be, or just look for one! Become acquainted with what you're purchasing inside and out before you go. Replace the battery immediately. Replace the tubes immediately! Do you know how many absolute morons icy looking at boogie amp's or preamps and they are like oh it sounds weird and I see that they pull out of it eventually and they are like tubes that haven't been made in 30 fucking years! ITS A WARE ITEM!!! Lol. If you want to know what this piece sounds like you have to throw at least some new piece of shit working tubes in it you know and I mean like sovtek would be garbage. If you want to know what it sounds like well, spend $13-$16 on two tubes in this case ...I have a funny feeling that those tubes probably were not changed?, Man they wear out especially in a real tube amp which this is not, running really high gain and high-voltage and high current. You know if you don't like it well put the two new 12 aX7's back in their boxes and save them for later and that's it. Spent some money on to good JJ's or Tung Sol are nice at this point in time. The Boogie pres can have 5-7 lets say 12ax7s that are all original which boggles my mind you know and they are 30 years old or 20 years old, and they are running very high voltages and gain. Even more disturbing and very very common, (I am tech for some serious people and situations as well as being a musician) you will be shocked at how many people have no idea what the fuck they're doing because they are guitarists and not in the know it all about anything technical, and they go to their local guitar dildo, and they purchase the wrong tubes or sold whatever they had and told that they can be a substitute. And can go from something totally common like the boogie which has all 12 series tubes in it, that look alike and they all say 12 a something, and you will see a 12ax7 in the reverb gain section. Nine out of 10 times. It requires a 12at7. It's lower gain and somethings going to happen when you put the other in, and you can completely fuck up the transformer for the reverb. Long story short change the tubes check the tubes have a pair or I don't know 4 to 5 if you're around something with testicles like a Boogie etc. In summation :-) lol, always expect to change a battery in any piece of gear 5 to 10 years old. And you should change the battery and you should check first just in case one has blown up and leaked shit, caused permanent damage to the unit. You can also tell a lot when you look inside sometimes you will see why people are selling things, things won't look right especially if you have a gut or you've taken a look online in one before and you see a bunch of weird shit wires moving from place to place which are corrections or modifications for fuck ups, or modifications that are fuck ups lol. Member a lot of times probably over half, let's say the normal distribution 68% of the time people get rid of things are because they have issues or they were too daft to do maintenance and don't like the sound anymore and think it's just broken, or that they have outgrown it. To give that unit a fair chance it should be working and it should have brand-new tubes, cleaned sockets as well. Word of advice to all of you, get some basic book in basics of text stuff and learn it and become acquainted. Nothing too complicated. Learn how to clean potentiometers, so many times these older units, you must check all of the pushbuttons and the potentiometers before purchase. Almost every amplifier I buy and we buy good! Fender Marshall whatever, they have at least a third of the potentiometers are bad not reparable but bad! Passengers they have a 2000 hour working life at best. Can they work past that? sure. But if they're in the audio path assume that that is just some sort of low pass filter or some other type of filter and man if that shit isn't working right which it most probably is not, cheap cabs are often used in average equipment, it's like putting a low pass filter your guitar output signal! Put a blanket over your amplifier LOL! And remember..."... this item actually needed repair, it had some problems with it, we noticed that it was losing its patches when we turned it off and it turned out to be a battery..." Man a lot of people that read these channels and listen, have that basic knowledge and as soon as they hear someone say something like that that's telling them and testing equipment and mentioning things like impulse and stuff, which is quite a complex, and completely different technical concept, soon as someone hears you say that at the end of the video they are going to be like oh my God, ...this guy probably didn't even change the tubes if he doesn't know that, and this guy doesn't realize that so much of the sound of a how do we say "mid fi" or even high-quality, "not real tube" gear, completely depends on the chips and all of that solid-state shit in there. You can run some of these pieces without the tubes in and they sound the same,, they will only sound different in the clean channel. The solid-state path matter so much, that companies like MXR and many other companies that make thousand dollar solid-state distortion pieces will use a "can type" older version or different company of an op amp as opposed to the "dip type", just because it makes such a dramatic difference, adding a tube at at most 110 V rail, just for some "warming" and soft saturation like an ART piece. Boogies use extremely high voltage rails yes 300 V or more sometimes DC which is death to the tech lol, and four 12aX7's, to create real tube hard distortion with a matched audio transformer. I subscribed to your channel and I hope you don't take this as an insult but I am a grumpy older experienced guy with many more people more experience than I, but as I said I subscribe to because I like your style and what you're trying to do and I hope this helps you to grow and get more followers. And I wish in the olden days, more of the basics were passed on to me that we had to find out on our own the hard way, everything was kept a secret. Nowadays, are no secrets. Cheers, lovely channel :)
Back in the day....I used this with a Marshall 50/50 stereo tube power amp....Which , sounded pretty darn good !! But...?...it didnt take long before I noticed the "digitalness" of it. I went back to Marshalls and was as happy as can be !!!....Needless to say , the ADA could be great for home recording ( as just about any other amp sim software these days )....but ?....live ?....I dont think anything comes close to a real amp. Great video !! 😊
I am searching about power amp and cabinet simulators of any kind. Up to today I found Nux Solid studio and Mooer Radar and of course there are the more expensive torpedo products. It's nice that I learned about this Ignite software. Does anybody know anything more than these?
Author needs to get a hold of an Original MP-1, then a Peavey Tubefex to test. To me the Tubefex WAS the best preamp ever made, followed close by the MP-1, the classic feels and sounds "rigid" by comparison.
Well, the MP-1 must be the most requested model for the Axe FX, but there is no indications of it coming yet. But by all means, if you have an ADA to sell, I'll take it of your hand and spare you the trouble of throwing it out. ;-)
Don't get all butt hurt because the truth hurts don't it you can't play you need to practice that's the only thing that is limited the Ada mp1 is a great processor it sounds fantastic but you've made it because of your lousy playing and poor technique
Hmm...Bought mine for about 50 $ two years ago. The seller thought it was broken because when powered on, it only show a strange code (do not remember what exactly). I just did a reset after reading online and all the factory preset came back...but the code came back as soon that I powered it down... So change the battery (a battery holder was added because the battery was soldered directly on board) and everything's all right now... I still see some working unit selling for less than 150$-200$ on kijiji, craigslist, ebay, reverb (mine was on Reverb). I think it worth every penny ;)
The ADA microcab was the most amazing direct-to-tape product I ever tried, and I tried it all. When they came out they were only something like 115 bucks, and then the price went up. An MP-1 with the microcab could make recorded guitar sounds that compete with well-recorded amp/mic methods. I never heard anything else that had the thump.
I'll be honest, I've been pining for the MB-1 (bass version) ever since I heard Sleepytime Gorilla Museum live. Their bassist played a Stingray5 and one of those into a power amp and a couple 410 cabs and it was just the HUGEST bass sound. I've seen a lot of bands and a lot of bands with extreme bass, but to this day nothing kicked me in the chest like the low B on that rig.
thing is, I have a great rig currently, but it's very different. and the price on an mb1 is not insignificant...
Have you tried this with the Two Notes WoS plugin (which has a power amp sim). Cool to see the MP-1 Classic given a workout.
9:33 oops! Not only do we hear crunchy clipping, but we can see it: the OD-1 clip light went on. You shouldn't see that when using the solid state clean.
I think the original sounded better than the classic model.
When I had mine I paired it with an ART SGE Mach ||. Sounded awesome live.
absolutely , i found the classic distortion channel to be kinda digital sounding more like an ada mp2. the classics "brown" channel was good though, but i still prefer original mp1. Best of all is 3Tube mod !
I used to run mine into the low input on my old Marshall 1987 with 4x12 cab. The ADA MP-1 also has a nice chorus built in. This was THE preamp back in the day!
Thank you very very much for the tutorial!
Also, I did it... well, 3 years after you but I did it.
I have ADA MP-1, Mesa Boogie Triaxis and another tube preamp/pedal that I love and I couldn't understand why everyone these days sells them to by a fully digital modelling system. I keep having them and when I want to record I send the preamplified signal to my DAW, I add modeled power amp (Ignite amps) and then IRs and it's perfect. Soon, I am going to do a comparison between them and fully digital systems.
For those who want a more plug and play solution there is Mooer Radar, Nux Solid Studio, or the more expensive Two Notes products.
This thing popped into the world in 89 or 90 and every guitar rag had an ad for it. I do remember Jason Becker's ad "Tone for days, with my ADAs." I saw Alex Skolnick from Testament use it during a show in 1990 and it sounded OK. Never owned one myself as it was out of my price range.
Also, this preamp was on a ton of recordings during the 80's like Vito Bratta of White Lion, Paul Gilbert of Mr. Big, Metallica, Nuno Bettencourt of Extreme, Snake from Skid Row, etc. I believe Michael Wagener loved to use this for guitars. With today's recording, one can send out a guitar signal to multiple preamps and blend them all later in mixing a lot easier than a room full of gear back in the day.
JamminMan77 Technically the original ADA MP-1 was, the MP-1 classic is not quite as special, pretty close, but doesn't have that "liquid" lead sound, or the amp-like rhythm, sounds like a line 6 model of the original.
Yeah No,that was the MP-1.
I have the real ADA MP-1 (Nott not The MP-1 Classic) and absolutely love it!!!! And it sounds amazing with my original run Nuno Bettencourt Washburn N4. I have the actual settings Nuno used with the MP-1 given to me from his guitar tech through ADA if anyone would like them.
yes please
How do I get them to you?
Mark Williams adadepot.com/mods/Nuno1993.jpg
The ADA MP-1 80 was the one Kenny Hickey used on Bloody Kisses before going to Mesa or at least that's what's splattered all over the internet. Didn't know they reissued it or renamed it to Classic.
Nice info dude , longtime ada player , longtime type o fan. ahhh the 90s (and 80s!) what a time compared to this shit we live in now
The Classic came out alongside or after the MP-2, it was basically the MP-1 with an extra channel & a noise gate which was missing from the original.
What is the software at the 4 second mark of your video, that has that Peavey Dual 10 Band EQ on the screen? Just curious.
So with the MP-1 did you switch the output to line for your audio interfaces? How about using the FX loop?
I have an old Digi-tech GFX-1 Twin Tube. Always liked it and just replaced the battery and put in new tubes, I think Digi-tech came out with it after ADA came out with the MP-1. Never played through the MP-1, I'll have to check out E bay etc. for them. I have played through the old version of the "Rock-tron Voodu Valve" and it was very similar to my GFX-1. So many tube pre-amps so little time ;) P.S. I still like my Digitech RP-7 as well, got that dual delays effects and pre-amp tube as well.
The Voodu Valve is basically a 12AX7 buffer into a DSP preamp,the GFX-1 has all 4 tube gain stages.
I was torn between this and the jmp1...ended up getting a hnk acess...there’s so many cool rack pre amps you can get for decent money. Way cooler than a plugin! Ada also had some rack speaker simulators...
The H&K with the B board is awesome.
Interesting piece of gear.
You mentioned Marshall, Mesa, and ADA - Hughes & Kettner also did some valve rack pre-amps in the 90s, e.g the Cream Machine.
+GScott50 thanks for the info! Were they any good?
I had the Cream Machine and TBH it was a bit of a one-trick pony, loads of smooth gain, not really any cleans. It could also put out 1W into a speaker! They also did the Crunch Machine 9both wer 1/2 width 1U rack units), plus a more flexible full-width 1U valve preamp whose name escapes me...
+GScott50 hmm, sounds like why you do t see them around now, one trick ponies don't tend to last unless it's one hell of a trick!
Was H&K the company who put out a "tube" preamp that was solid state but had a 12ax with an LED behind it that made the tube appear to be running?
Probably, there are quite a few examples of that. The 12ax7 is running, but in a low voltage way, mostly as a token gesture. Digitech have done it, Marshall’s Valvestate line was the exact same thing
ADA MP-1 > MP-1 Classic, the classic is close but not as magical, MP-1 is more amp-like, less processed sounding.
The MP-1 was a weapon...still is.!
I appreciate him sharing the MP-1 Classic, it is good, but the real "magic" is in the original ADA MP-1, I have owned several MP-1's and MP-1 Classics, they are not the same. The MP-1 sounds organic and lively, like an amp, the classic sounds like a digital model of the MP-1, cold and sterile. Of course the Rockmaster beats them all but I still use my MP-1 all the time.
If we're talking Peavey the TubeFex>Rockmaster.
Haha I have 3 MP-1's and 2 Rockmasters. My MP-1's are a bog standard, no mods, a modded version with noise mod and MDRT transformer (totally adds more steroids to the original) and then the 3TM which is then like having another layer of tube breakup in the circuit for super tight and heavy gain. You know what I use the most? The Rockmaster live and the Rockmaster in the studio. I do fight with it's EQ sometime though and have looked into modding them for more bottom end. Not sure if I've achieved that but I still love them. Just wished they had more bottom end. Live it's not an issue but in studio it can be. However when it come to sticking something in a mix it's like it has the right amount of low end taken out of it and you don't need to hi pass it!!
I have the Peavey Rockmaster tube preamp as that was the one that sounded best out of the box at that time, among the contenders were ADA MP1, Boogie Studio and Quad, Chandler Tubedriver and the Soldano SP77 (I've had 2 of them).
@@Slicklickz no, it sounded digital
A modern incarnation of the ADA rackmount tube preamp with midi in pedal form would be pretty cool but also have the preamp tubes easily accessible like on the Effectrode Blackbird would be great too. Combining it with the Two Notes Torpedo Cab or Line 6 HX Effects would give quite a bit of flexibility to run a line out to the effects return of a tube power amp or a stand-alone one like a Fryette Powerstation or Mesa Boogie Fifty Fifty or a solid state power amp like the Seymour Duncan PowerStage 170 or 700 or going to a FRFR active powered monitor wedge Laney IRT-X, ISP Technologies Vector FS8, Friedman ASM-12 or Atomic Amps CLR Neo MKII
ADA MP1 to a Mesa Boogie Strategy 500 thru 2 - 4x12 cabs is pretty rocking :)
That sounds like a real monster!
It was The King of live rigs I sold the Mesa but kept my ada Mp1
I still use one to this day
So how much do preamps (not from the interfaces these days) for guitars effect tone when you go direct? That'd be interesting to see in comparison videos
forgetting the Rocktron and the other ART stuff, etc. Marshall also made the 9001, etc. I have an Ada Mp1 I just got back from the shop, got a new battery installed, but the weird thing is the amp out wont work, only the headphone out, THROUGH the power amp. No idea why its working this way but at least it works again lol. I also have a Mesa Studio, which is the one before they made the Quad. Many have said and this has been disputed by some, that it's the same (or close) to the preamp of the highly coveted Mark IIC+. Either way, it's very Mesa Mark sounding, and I use both with a Mesa 50/50. Also have a mosvalve thats having problems as a backup lol. I want a real marshall though...well one day. Btw, the cleans are to die for on the ADA. Pretty close to the awesomeness of the Mesa Studio. I also have a 5150 which, well, let's just say the cleans are less than heavenly (Well it doesnt have a clean channel lol)
so are you going out from speaker emulated out into audio interface ?
I have the mp1 ( x2) , the classic, the jmp1, the MB studio and quad. All of them have their place. The classic sure is a Nice preamp , its a bit less in your face than the mp1 though. The quad / studio is my absolute favoriet, but so difficult to tweak since they are so sensitive
so this does have stage outputs to go to a power amp for live? i may be getting one of these for a super deal? think its worth it? do you ever use this for recording?
Yeah that's what these were originally designed for, live stage use with a rack power amp. It all depends on what sound you're after. I sold it on after a while, it's a great hair metal kind of sound, but didn't work with what my idea of a guitar tone should be. Doesn't mean it's a bad unit if you prefer this sound
cool, thanks for the input!
Could one use this just infront of an amp? Or one needs a power amp? Thx
The effects return on an amp is like using just a power amp. I’d do that
Get an ADA Microcab (or Monstercab mod) to get the best out of your mp1 when recording direct
Ampulator is much better!!!
@@RoKneMusic Only ever saw one never played ! Would love to try !
Good morning, I own an Ada MP-1 Classic and would like to know how to put it in factory mode, erase all settings and leave it as it came in its original form, can you help me?
If you remove the battery on the circuit board, all stored settings will be lost. The factory stored sounds are on a ROM chip.
i am wondering i have a mackie profx12v2 mixer they say i need a guitar preamp rack mount could i use that to run my guitar on that threw my mixer
7:08 - ADA Recording Output
9:03 - Power am/IR jiggery Pokery
Different....ADA is muddy in comparison sure....but I don't think terrible is the right word
Good in studio review though dude! Shows the versatility for sure.
+Poot The Bard thanks! Tomorrow I'll add the timings to the description
I'm picking one up tomorrow actually! Footswitch and all. Do you have a power amp you would recommend?
+Poot The Bard cool! It's hard to recommend, any good solid state amp with at least 250W at 8 ohms should work (it was designed to be used with solid state amps) or maybe a Mesa 20/20 or a Marshall 9100 if you're looking for a tube power amp
I am using an AMT SS-20 preamp along with an ISP Stealth power amp both in my pedalboard. The regular Stealth goes up to 180 watts into an 8 ohms cab, there is a smaller one too. Check those Stealth from ISP
what are these white monitors you have next to your a7x´s?
They're Studiospares SN10s - Yamaha NS10 clones. I ues them for checking mids, and not a lot else
Chandler Tube Driver, ART SGX are 2 more rack mount tube preamps.
Love it!
I use an older model Art SGX2000 with an express chip I stuck in, and an old Digitech IHP55 for my preamps. Direct, no miking.
I bought one new when they came out,and I have the last one they made 1.10.Also I think you mean DHP-55,I have 1 and a DHP-33.
unless youre into modern metal I think the best part of the dirty sound comes from the power amp,bassmen,selmers,carlsbros
Are there recording musicians who really don't know what rack mountable gear is?
Yes.
Rocktron chameleon and the ProGap you are missing.
Peavey Rockmaster tube preamp was also cool, just knobs only, not like the MP-1 with memories etc.
The TubeFex was Peavey's flagship midi preamp,used by Tony Iommi.
I thought Extreme used the MP1 and not the MP1 Classic. And from what I am aware off the MP1 classic is not as good as the MP1. It's kinda like a re-issue with a few extras thrown in and a slightly different sound. I own a stock MP1, MP1 with MDRT transformer and a 3TM MP1. And also two Peavey Rockmasters for all of those people who mentioned that awesome preamp below!
Yeah didn't really get on with the Classic.I have a Stock MP-1.a 3.666,and one with just the noise mod.Also 2 MP-2s,and almost every other midi preamp,probably at least 25 preamps.
8:15 the sound of most guitar amps in the 90's below £500.
THE CLEAN ?
Forgot the Mesa V-Twin !! ;)
Wrong. The MP1 was voiced to replicate a whole amp head, that's why it works great with solid state power amps, and tube power amps can get kinda boomy. Remember the BBE sonic maximizer...it's useless without it. You would also need an eq in front, like the Furman PQ3. The ADA eats any digital garbage can for dinner thou... Wrong 2. The recording out sounds beautiful, you better dial in on your board, dude...
Nice, just a word. "I actually had to repair this....(or whatever you stated exactly) ...something was wrong, id turn it on and it would lose all of its presets...and all it was you know was just desoldering the battery..."
Yikes man, please don't take this as a bitch slap or me being harsh on purpose. But you've got a lot of equipment behind you and you're giving a lot of technical advice about impulses and such and such that I happen to know about and a lot of other people do as well. Some people will know nothing but I will tell you this a lot will know that brother, when you buy an older piece of gear those batteries can sometimes last five years 10 years and if you're lucky some of them go surprising lengths.. 20 years! But man, lol, it's not a waste of money. There are people spending money for pedals that much or twice, a fucking pedal!....and this is not necessarily a "tube" preamp. It has two tubes in the circuitry. We are not running a 300 V rail here, with output transformers and shit. What makes so much of what people use for their sound ... hey! just popped in my mind, Ty Tabor... there's an example that shows you what you were really trying to say. But to finish what I was saying before so many things that go into distortion are the solid-state circuitry of finessing the gain to go from when you put that cord in the device, to the end result, brother, there are a lot of subtleties! And some solid state stuff sounds amazing! And some tubes stuff sounds amazing and some solid-state sounds like absolute garbage and some tube stuff sounds like garbage. This is not really a tube amp. Most of what you're hearing has to do with loading and ambulation of loading on your way out like when you mention the outputs but really 90% of it is in the circuitry I mean look at the inside of that box! Now you have a ton of electrolytic converters in there that are old like the dude from tales from the crypt. Going through the ones in the audio path, changing them it will sound like a different box. That said the tubes are doing a part, but not as much as you would think. The main thing that you acquaint to this box is all in the solid-state circuitry and then some warmth and maybe a little bit of a step up is happening in those tubes and those tubes are mainly to warm the non-distortion sound. But back to the battery thing, to be honest, one should know especially with all of that equipment behind you, and again please don't take me as an ass, turning a unit on and off and losing presets I mean come on that is to be expected on any older piece of gear. That doesn't mean something is wrong with the unit as you said or this needed repair, you have to assume as soon as you look at a piece of gear like that, before you purchase it the first thing that come in your mind should be...battery! Why? Because if that battery leaks because it's fucked and old, which it is, but in a particularly shitty way, so many of these machines from that time that didn't use flash, synthesizers everything, you will see batteries that have leaked especially the ones beginning with a V from Europe, all over your circuit board and that is a fucking problem! That is a repair! Maybe! Depending on how creative you are and the design of the piece. So many devices are throw out because of this. So whenever you purchase something this old always turn it on, turn it off and see as you're buying it, if it loses patches. Either way open it up put your eye right wherever a battery should be, or just look for one! Become acquainted with what you're purchasing inside and out before you go. Replace the battery immediately. Replace the tubes immediately! Do you know how many absolute morons icy looking at boogie amp's or preamps and they are like oh it sounds weird and I see that they pull out of it eventually and they are like tubes that haven't been made in 30 fucking years! ITS A WARE ITEM!!! Lol. If you want to know what this piece sounds like you have to throw at least some new piece of shit working tubes in it you know and I mean like sovtek would be garbage. If you want to know what it sounds like well, spend $13-$16 on two tubes in this case ...I have a funny feeling that those tubes probably were not changed?, Man they wear out especially in a real tube amp which this is not, running really high gain and high-voltage and high current. You know if you don't like it well put the two new 12 aX7's back in their boxes and save them for later and that's it. Spent some money on to good JJ's or Tung Sol are nice at this point in time. The Boogie pres can have 5-7 lets say 12ax7s that are all original which boggles my mind you know and they are 30 years old or 20 years old, and they are running very high voltages and gain. Even more disturbing and very very common, (I am tech for some serious people and situations as well as being a musician) you will be shocked at how many people have no idea what the fuck they're doing because they are guitarists and not in the know it all about anything technical, and they go to their local guitar dildo, and they purchase the wrong tubes or sold whatever they had and told that they can be a substitute. And can go from something totally common like the boogie which has all 12 series tubes in it, that look alike and they all say 12 a something, and you will see a 12ax7 in the reverb gain section. Nine out of 10 times. It requires a 12at7. It's lower gain and somethings going to happen when you put the other in, and you can completely fuck up the transformer for the reverb. Long story short change the tubes check the tubes have a pair or I don't know 4 to 5 if you're around something with testicles like a Boogie etc.
In summation :-) lol, always expect to change a battery in any piece of gear 5 to 10 years old. And you should change the battery and you should check first just in case one has blown up and leaked shit, caused permanent damage to the unit.
You can also tell a lot when you look inside sometimes you will see why people are selling things, things won't look right especially if you have a gut or you've taken a look online in one before and you see a bunch of weird shit wires moving from place to place which are corrections or modifications for fuck ups, or modifications that are fuck ups lol. Member a lot of times probably over half, let's say the normal distribution 68% of the time people get rid of things are because they have issues or they were too daft to do maintenance and don't like the sound anymore and think it's just broken, or that they have outgrown it. To give that unit a fair chance it should be working and it should have brand-new tubes, cleaned sockets as well.
Word of advice to all of you, get some basic book in basics of text stuff and learn it and become acquainted. Nothing too complicated. Learn how to clean potentiometers, so many times these older units, you must check all of the pushbuttons and the potentiometers before purchase. Almost every amplifier I buy and we buy good! Fender Marshall whatever, they have at least a third of the potentiometers are bad not reparable but bad! Passengers they have a 2000 hour working life at best. Can they work past that? sure. But if they're in the audio path assume that that is just some sort of low pass filter or some other type of filter and man if that shit isn't working right which it most probably is not, cheap cabs are often used in average equipment, it's like putting a low pass filter your guitar output signal! Put a blanket over your amplifier LOL! And remember..."... this item actually needed repair, it had some problems with it, we noticed that it was losing its patches when we turned it off and it turned out to be a battery..." Man a lot of people that read these channels and listen, have that basic knowledge and as soon as they hear someone say something like that that's telling them and testing equipment and mentioning things like impulse and stuff, which is quite a complex, and completely different technical concept, soon as someone hears you say that at the end of the video they are going to be like oh my God, ...this guy probably didn't even change the tubes if he doesn't know that, and this guy doesn't realize that so much of the sound of a how do we say "mid fi" or even high-quality, "not real tube" gear, completely depends on the chips and all of that solid-state shit in there. You can run some of these pieces without the tubes in and they sound the same,, they will only sound different in the clean channel. The solid-state path matter so much, that companies like MXR and many other companies that make thousand dollar solid-state distortion pieces will use a "can type" older version or different company of an op amp as opposed to the "dip type", just because it makes such a dramatic difference, adding a tube at at most 110 V rail, just for some "warming" and soft saturation like an ART piece. Boogies use extremely high voltage rails yes 300 V or more sometimes DC which is death to the tech lol, and four 12aX7's, to create real tube hard distortion with a matched audio transformer. I subscribed to your channel and I hope you don't take this as an insult but I am a grumpy older experienced guy with many more people more experience than I, but as I said I subscribe to because I like your style and what you're trying to do and I hope this helps you to grow and get more followers. And I wish in the olden days, more of the basics were passed on to me that we had to find out on our own the hard way, everything was kept a secret. Nowadays, are no secrets. Cheers, lovely channel :)
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holy fuckin shit man. dead battery=replace. thats it
Back in the day....I used this with a Marshall 50/50 stereo tube power amp....Which , sounded pretty darn good !! But...?...it didnt take long before I noticed the "digitalness" of it. I went back to Marshalls and was as happy as can be !!!....Needless to say , the ADA could be great for home recording ( as just about any other amp sim software these days )....but ?....live ?....I dont think anything comes close to a real amp. Great video !! 😊
Wanna sell it?
I am searching about power amp and cabinet simulators of any kind.
Up to today I found Nux Solid studio and Mooer Radar and of course there are the more expensive torpedo products. It's nice that I learned about this Ignite software.
Does anybody know anything more than these?
Ampulator by ADA
Peavey Rock Master rackmount tube preamp...
Thirdgen83 Shhh...don't tell anyone, you'll drive the prices up. Seriously though, Rockmaster = best preamp ever made
I had both Ada and the Rockmaster when I was a teenager. I wish I would have held on to the Rockmaster.
The ultimate preamp!!
how to use this on stage in live situations.thanku in advance!
from india
Plug it into a power amp! That is either a solid state amp, or the effects return of a tube amp and then have a cabinet to make noise on stage
Gear is good. It keeps experts out there that know how to fix them. Computers are shit. Don't fall for it. Maybe tracking, But not everything
Author needs to get a hold of an Original MP-1, then a Peavey Tubefex to test. To me the Tubefex WAS the best preamp ever made, followed close by the MP-1, the classic feels and sounds "rigid" by comparison.
Yep,TubeFex is awesome.I have a V1 and V2.
Rocktron Piranha slays them all!!!
Nelson Nazario Pihrana is ok, but not Peavey Rockmaster great
It's fairly decent,but the VooDu Valve still sounds better.
axe fx and kemper has replaced them all now, all going to the front of house.
Well, the MP-1 must be the most requested model for the Axe FX, but there is no indications of it coming yet. But by all means, if you have an ADA to sell, I'll take it of your hand and spare you the trouble of throwing it out. ;-)
Stanley thing I seen limited was your playing ability
The only thing limited here is your grammar.
@@adamsteelproducer not as limited as your ability to play
@@adamsteelproducer fuck you how is that
Don't get all butt hurt because the truth hurts don't it you can't play you need to practice that's the only thing that is limited the Ada mp1 is a great processor it sounds fantastic but you've made it because of your lousy playing and poor technique
The truth hurts don't get all butt hurt because you can't stand to be told you need to practice
Marshall JMP-1 Rack preamp
Just buy a kemper ;P
+Kyle Judkins at about 5-10 times the price :p
Hmm...Bought mine for about 50 $ two years ago. The seller thought it was broken because when powered on, it only show a strange code (do not remember what exactly). I just did a reset after reading online and all the factory preset came back...but the code came back as soon that I powered it down... So change the battery (a battery holder was added because the battery was soldered directly on board) and everything's all right now... I still see some working unit selling for less than 150$-200$ on kijiji, craigslist, ebay, reverb (mine was on Reverb). I think it worth every penny ;)
this sounds terrible, buy a les paul
It’s personal preference, I have a Les Paul. Thanks.
It's your personal preference up the point that I have to listen to it
Tons of gear, minimal talent.
Um No.
@@adamsteelproducer and lame.