I never understand what and how does the "our data shows" in these big corporations always fail to appeal any of the majority of users, how does the analytics even approve of this? Prime example other than this is Microsoft removing features in Windows 11, like what does that make sense?
Honestly without the dislike button I'm checking out far less content. It helped me gauge if a video was honest about the title and worth my time. Especially working in the IT field and looking for solutions to odd little problems. This move was made to protect garbage corporations from negative consequences and nothing else.
@Danny Pope I say the same thing about most RUclips alternative suggestions. They’re usually echo chambers but of a different variety. I don’t want more choices to mean more echo chambers.
The equivalent of: "This house is on fire, and I have a fire extinguisher, but I don't know whether to use red or black gloves so I'll not use it all."
Yes, I would be MORE THAN HAPPY to fill out a quick survey as to why I used the dislike button. For me, I use the dislike button rarely, but when I do, it's because there is a specific reason. I would LOVE to see a formal way by RUclips to see WHY other people like or dislike a video. That would make this platform infinitely better, in every facet.
@@MrGamelover23 Saying "most" is a fallacy, regardless of that, its their choice and opinion if they want to dislike whatever they want or not; that's the whole point of 'disliking', to voice your general view of what you're watching. You mentioning a specific group holds no argument against the entire virtual removal of the system
Agreed. I give far more likes than dislikes. I haven't counted them but my ratio is probably 1 dislike per 100 likes or so, and even then I think I'm lowballing the amount of likes. Besides the obvious reason of disliking a video like for one, because it's objectively terrible (Rewinds), the dislikes I rarely dish out are either because the video is nonsense that just made me lose my time watching it (think of searching for a particular error code and the video has "Fix!" in the title and it's just a cam recording of the error code but not an actual fix, just someone sharing it and not even asking for help/info about it) OR because the information is either fake or potentially dangerous.
This. If anything is done to the Dislike button, I believe the same thing should happen to the Like button. It's like taking questions in a public speech, but positive ones pass no filter, while negative ones have to pass filters before reaching the speaker. Then the speaker is like "Wow, I was so good I heard only positive things".
its a "positivity" thing, and since people are seemingly incapable of seeing new perspectives on various subjects, everyone has to push positive vibes, and negativity is taken as toxic instead of honest judgement.
A few years of research should tell them that the "Dislike button" should be a "dislike drop down menu" with viable choices as to why one dislikes a video. The "Not interested" link in the drop down menu under each suggested Video on ones home page only gives two options where more would make a whole lot of sense too, and they haven't added viable valid choices there either. There are "I have already watched the video, which they already know because they track and log your every move, and "I don't like this video" which may only be partially true as in "I don't like the topic of this video" because you very well may like the channel just not the topic... They don't give reasonable choices anywhere to begin with! So they are either stupid as F, or purposely skewing the data for nefarious reasons! Don't forget that RUclips is run and owned by Google, so what can one expect but foul play! I am still pissed that they stopped email notifications on purpose, because they want to count hits, not give you a reason to choose when to go there, and when not, and it's obvious! The reason they gave "People don't want so many emails" is bogus, as they had choices to restrict, or even turn them off already, and the reaction showed that clearly, yet they did it anyhow, which was an asshole move! They show a clear and definitive pattern of assholery!
I enjoy watching RUclips on the Playstation 5. On the RUclips app it's signed onto my husband's account not mine, so if I later hop onto my PC and log into RUclips and see the same video being recommended don't watch it because I might've seen it already. Just wish as you suggested there was a another option, "passive-viewing: saw the video from another account" . Great idea though.
Making "Dislike" harder to access will only make me press it less. It will not mean I don't... you know... dislike the video. If you want to make "Dislike" harder to access, "Like" should get the same treatment, and you add reasons to why you like a video: It's fun, It's entertaining, It's informative, It's comical, so on, so on.
@@samasher5370 Smart idea bro. :) If YT removes dislikes, I'm betting honest creators will post their private dislike count using a bit of HTML code in their description. This is a crappy move on YT
There's a lot of scam videos that are heavily downvoted and it helps save people. When someone's doing one of these videos and it has the like-to-dislike button disabled its a red flag. This is a horrible change. If you're so scared of seeing dislikes just disable the feedback button all together. This "inclusive" crap is literally just for overly sensitive people. Sorry I disagree with you Linus, you have points I agree with but I still don't like it
Also, video tutorials, such as how to replace the brake pads on 2005 Honda Civic. I can easily tell which tutorials are garbage by the number of dislikes, particularly if the dislikes outnumber the likes, and simply bypass those videos. I mean, if a video tutorial has 5,000 likes, it is irrelevant if it has 100,000 dislikes.
.. you did watch the whole video, right? He was just playing devil's advocate, nobody in their right mind supports this crap. And I'm sorry but actually believing that they do this to protect small creators and their feelings is very naive. Google actively hates small channels since they take up bandwidth and storage space without providing enough advertisments for Google's pockets. They are just using this excuse to redirect some of the hate towards these people aka hurting them even more. This has only to do with making more money and taking away people's voices since that could stand in the way of the money flow
Meanwhile at YT headquarters: CEO: We want te bring back YT-rewind, but without people making fun of us for receiving the new thumb down world-record on our own platform... IT-department: Well, that's an easy fix...
Sooner or later they'll ban comments altogether because people will just make fun of them in the comments rather than the removed dislike counter and you'll see an overwhelming 90% negative comments on youtube videos. Heck some channels already disable comments by default. Censorship 101 and limiting free speech because it hurt someone's fee fee's. As long as someone isn't threatening to harm someone else, they have every right to dislike and write how much they dislike something, giving their opinion, as much as they want. This isn't diktatorship communist china that censors everything. Then again North America seems to be steadily hurtling towards that thought police wet state of no criticism of anything you dislike, whether its radical feminism, bad toxic content creators, trolls, predatory companies, corrupt thuggish cops and government practices....etc. Fking joke of a world to live in.
“You can just leave a comment if you dislike a video” Can’t the video uploader hide comments that don’t agree with them, making the whole “just leave a negative comment” idea useless. I’ve already seen a bunch of echo chambers as it, now with dislikes being hidden, it’ll be worse. At least when likes and dislikes are hidden, we can easily interpret that video was heavily disliked enough to be shames and embarrassed by the ratio.
This combined with the ability to prevent comments means scam videos will have basically free reign for unsuspecting users, since the only way to know is to already have knowledge about whatever the video is talking about. Feels like every time youtube tries to "help the community" they just end up destroying things and tell us to be happy about it
Tin foil hat time: This change was made with the best interest of some large RUclipsrs who've been receiving a lot of hate recently, and more importantly, large companies who have been hated for a long while wanting to hide their public outrage as a marketing tactic.
The dislike button fits many of the qualities of destructive criticism. It doesn’t facilitate any advice on how to improve or comment on what part was disliked. It is a vague expression of negative reaction that only indicates to the creator “do not make this kind of content anymore.”
The dislike button isn't constructive criticism. I really agree with the guy in this comment section who said we should have a dislike dropdown menu with options for why we disliked the video. We should have known this stupid change was slowly on its way when newer features like RUclips Shorts and community posts from creators hid the number of dislikes...
All the changes RUclips has done in the last couple of years HURT the small creators. CREATORS made RUclips what it is and turning their back on them will kill their site.
1.) The dislike function, especially in relation to tutorials and ads can show if content is worth your time. If a tutorial has a very high dislike to like ratio you can tell it likely doesn't work. If an ad for a game has a high dislike ratio you might be able to tell beforehand if it's worth the (I'm in canada) $80 for a single new game. 2.) The like button provides EXACTLY as much feedback as the dislike button. If they want to remove the counter for the dislike button, just remove both buttons. There is no purpose for one without the other.
It’s about protecting brands, companies and government channels making them immune from criticism on this platform where they spend advertising money. We lost this platform the moment it was sold to Google.
Linus literally took the words out of my mouth. The only time I'd watch a video on RUclips to fix an issue when I cannot understand it via articles. Now, if I watch a video with wrong instructions and follow them. It will just increase my problem and not actually solve it. Well, one thing can be done for more techy/nerdy people will be to just upload a block chain hidden code and just syphon the viewer's resources for their purposes. User gets what he needs and creator gets free resources. This way newbies who are trying to learn will easily be fooled.
Then remove all counters. Like counter - remove. View counter - remove. Subscriber counter - remove. If we're going to care only about what the creator thinks, then only let the creator see any numbers. If you can't accept that, leave the dislike counter.
I really wouldn’t say reddit is a much better platform. There’s tons of karma botting/farming, most subreddits basically permaban anyone who doesn’t agree with them, powermods sometimes skew the entire platform towards a certain viewpoint, etc etc etc
@@jizburg The system originally was designed to push content that people liked further up into a feed. That was the original purpose, unfortunately once it became a statistic on profiles and was found to be exploitable the system has changed over time. Downvotes used to represent "not relevant" to a post or discussion, all it is now is a disagree button.
the first two and a half minutes I thought Linus was a sellout and couldn't confirm or deny the sentiment from the dislike count because there is none...
They remove dislike button only because of RUclips rewind saga that's all. No youtuber called for removal of dislike button. No youtuber actually think that's the problem they need to focus on. There are much more worse problems with youtube than getting dislikes.
128 people downvoted this as a final act of defiance. :) The use for the downvote count you mention is entirely accurate and is how it should be used. But YT doesn't want us to be able to not watch a video at a glance. Their business model relies on us watching more videos. So they want us to have to watch the entire video before we decide it's crap.
8:00 In case you didn't know you can actually disable ratings in the creator studio. It basically hides the Like/Dislike counter for a particular video. Which is hilarious to me because this is a feature that already exists and no one uses it, now YT wants to make this unsed feature the unrevesable default.
I call shenanigans. Corporate BS. The logic is broken. Everything they say goes both ways. I absolutely disdain feedback mechanisms that only have positive options (or, in this case, viewable) (hello, Goodreads and so many others). No. Just no. Edit: BTW - Leaving this message means that I'm going to get several notifications because several pr0n bots have replied to this comment. After the past month or two, I now rarely comment.
I've kept believing that RUclips has become a shell of its former selves ever since "Broadcast Yourself" is no longer a thing, but this is the lowest of the low and a sign that Susan must be replaced to bring RUclips back to its golden era.
I like Luke, a man of principles. As a smaller creator, after hearing the devils' advocate, those arguments are disingenuous to put it nicely. This is obviously a response to advertisers' and their poor performing content. The dislike button is MORE important than the like button. When my content drops in quality, my viewers let me know. When it's good, they also let me know. As someone who prides themselves on creating the best content they can, it's important to me that other viewers see that. If I was bad at it and still tried my best, I should still receive the dislikes. People need to know if this just ain't for them.
There's this clip of the neutral people from futurama. It has exactly the same amount of likes as dislikes, ti's in perfect neutral balance. They are gonna take that beautiful thing away and I cannot stand behind that.
I can still see the dislike numbers, but the moment I stop seeing them I will DISLIKE EVERY VIDEO I SEE, no matter if it's good, bad, liked or personally dislike it
hey thats exactly what i've been saying. The cap on liked vids folder on your profile is 5000 and i've looped it many times. Meanwhile i have like probably under 100 dislikes because i never do it. I like before watching the vid and i mostly use it as an indication that i've watched this vid at some point so no point in watching again. Well guess what, the dislike works just as well for this. This will 100% change the way I interact with youtube and ultimately spending less time on it.
@@jacksvk7690 My front page has already been a mess for years. All videos I've either already seen or indicated I'm not interested. Maybe if I dislike EVERYTHING now they'll suggest something new and interesting?
Isn't that just an option to disable both the like and dislike buttons, as opposed to just one? -and if you do that, then it says something about the video, or about the channel if you do it routinely on every video.
I would be down for filling out a "what didn't you like about this video?" when I dislike it. Because a simple dislike doesn't relay; "this is bad and you should feel bad for making it."
First the Shorts, now removing the dislikes, what's next, getting rid of the timeline bar? Why the heck is RUclips trying to imitate Tiktok? I really hope they don't end up being another Tiktok because i don't like Tiktok in any way. This suppresses viewer's opinions. Let's petition to get the disliked button back!
Linus, the other day I was debating with someone about this and for knowledge and to be sure, I searched how "top" comments work on RUclips. It's apparently a massive equation that takes into account 4 or 5 different variables. That is why "it doesn't work". Or actually, it does work as intended but not as it should for the rest of us.
Lukes reaction was my reaction 4:13 Also, youtube could implement some useful tools and politics, such as being able to search a video on your saved playlists (how the hell we still cant do that?!), allow creators to mark their videos as "not intended for children" (some adult cartoon creators get their videos automatically marked as "for children" because its a cartoon and have no option to unmark it), implement an impartial evaluation system stop this abusive bullshit where companies can strike channels and decide if they are right or not (judge, jury and executioner shenanigans), or even the basic of keeping the comment you flagged as spam hidden (they appear again if you refresh the page). I also noticed that some videos (mostly spam or children targeted) already don't show the like/dislike ratio. Was this part of their "study" or creators already have the tools to not show the ratio? Because, if the tools are already available, then this forced change doesnt make any sense and dislike raids will still be a thing. The dislike numbers are important to avoid spam and scam videos for uninformed viewers; specially since these videos have bots to like and comment their videos to induce trust to the viewer. Kinda off topic but this reminds me when they added that google+ bullcrap that allowed people to follow you with no means to be blocked, which generated harassment from stalkers to some friends of mine.
They'll never give creators control over the dislike feature, because the only channels that will disable this feature are the political, corporate and MSM channels (the same channels that disable comments), which would result in them being ridiculed even further. By forcing this on everybody, youtube can make out that it's to everybodies benefit. When really, 99.9% of creators didn't want this removed at all.
They could also make it so that you can only dislike a video after watching a certain percentage of it. Review bombers don't have the patience to wait for that. Problem solved! Making it optional for the creator to show or hide dislikes is also a great idea. You can already do this with comments. Without a dislike count you can't know if a tutorial is bad or dangerous. There's always the comments, but keep I'm mind that the creator can easily delete any negative comment, so there's really no way to know anymore.
What you guys are suggesting is basically what Slashdot has done for many years in being able to categorize why you upvoted or downvoted something. The ability to provide that feedback means any up or down vote is useful for the other users. Sometimes the reason a person dislikes a video is the exact same reason another person likes it.
“We’re going to be living in an information dystopia, unless we stop calling it a revolution against old media, and start making it a revolution against corporate media.” -ractalfece, like, at least ten years ago
Solution to dislike bombing: turning off both likes and dislikes on the video (something that is already available). If people don't watch the video because it's turned off, then that's fine. The content creator gets to be "protected" like youtube claims they want, they just have to deal with less interaction.
The point of a dislike button is not constructive criticism to the creator. It's to signal "this video is disliked by the community" or "this video is divisive" when the dislike ratio is very large. And that's good.
One reason I don’t like the removal is that smaller creators with worse quality may post something amazing like in a tutorial but with out the dislike you can be sure if it’s an ok tutorial or not most the tutorial videos for my truck are mostly all pushing 4 years old and without the dislike button I would skip past the worse quality. Especially if it has to do with something that you depend on.
otherwise, it would be like a 30-minute video😂 and this part is more about Linus talking about the good side of it and the next part is more about the bad side of it.
You solved the problem in your own statement. People top comment the issues with DIY, or programming, and why it's wrong. The comment section is better than the Dislike ratio on if a video is helpful or not. People now will jump immediately to comment section for those types of videos.
DISLIKE RUclips campaign STEP ONE go to the play store , STEP TWO go to the RUclips app STEP THREE rate 1 star , STEP FOUR write a review , one world review ,DISLIKE (in all caps)
RUclips has had an option to display or to not display likes and view count in their creative dashboard. This is solely to protect Legacy Media, and creators that are in the pocket of Susan Wojcicki. When I’ve seen independent creators get lots of dislikes that aren’t narcissistic Machiavellian personality types, they almost always address the viewers issues with that particular video/subject.
I’ve stopped liking videos. Others should also. This is the best way to get the message across. RUclips doesn’t respect our decision making, or the tools we need to watch content.
I *was* using youtube to automotive guides for home repair work, some of its really good, some of it is dangerous and should be avoided at all costs. Unfortunately some of the "avoid at all costs" videos may have had 15k dislikes, but they also had 3-4k likes. Now they just have 4k likes. Can't trust any of it now when dealing with things that absolutely must be done correctly else risk damage to car or self.
This change was catered to entertainment. Other entertainment platforms can get away with no dislikes because it’s a question of how popular something is, which can mostly be reflected by views and likes alone. However, RUclips is also an information hosting site, and in those kinds of online tools, a button to express that something doesn’t work, is harmful, or can otherwise inure you is massively important.
Actually, the origin of "Devil's Advocate" is when someone is up for beatification, there is an "Angel's Advocate" speaking in favor of the person's sainthood, while the Devil's Advocate argues against it.
I updated the RUclips app today and can still see the dislike number. Is there a date when it's supposed to go away or did RUclips change their mind again?
Yeah, TBH the "Rita, I want S E E X See video on my profile" comments are reaching a critical mass. In the past year or so they've become at least like 10% of all comments on popular channels. RUclips comment moderation seems like it has somehow slipped back to like 2012.
The thing I hate with RUclips is that they never share the numbers. They never shared the amount of people who were affected by dislike-bombing. They never shared how removing the ability to see the dislike button would discourage people from pressing it. If they had shared the data that proved this would be a net positive change I might reconsider my stance, but since they are purposely hiding this information I believe it's equally as fair to assume that they are doing this JUST to please larger businesses and nothing else.
The only examples I can find of dislike bombing are people targeted by cancel culture, bad videos/advertisement, music that people don't like, scams/fake content and RUclips Rewind.
I'm gonna have to disagree with your take on Reddit's top comments and whatnot. It all results in an echo chamber of thought. Reddit is cancer just like every other social media place (including RUclips.)
"Small Creators" not a single small creator was consulted for this. When RUclips had their meeting about this, they had a few major creators, the major media companies, and the government show up. Not a single small creator.
I FELT THAT when you said you don’t see ads. It’s like I have my own internal ad block that’s on all the time. Probably also why I don’t get overstimulated in Times Square when I’ve seen that happen to other people 😂
Emplemon once said regarding the Dislike that the dislike doesn' hurt creators, they only hurt egos, which is I think a better solution than reddit where is limits visibility
That same logic can be said of the Like button. We can do this all day, running in circles, wearing beanies on our heads in doors, using stretched and disproportional green screen backgrounds on our podcast because who has the time to find one that actually matches the aspect ratio of the camera? Am I right?...
removing the dislike figures will just lead to the toxicity as on facebook where even irrational posts that get some likes can be seen as the norm to impressionable youths, for example logan pauls japan vlog still got thousands of likes despite its content and with the ever growing mental health issues could be taken by some people in a positive light
also, removing it means that a part of viewers will watch videos that they otherwise wouldnt and therefor more money from ads for youtube. Is all about cash as corporate interests. There's no way they are doing this for creators, either big or small.
As a software developer, I absolutely agree with the last point, I can no longer get a quick video tutorial for some trivial stuff I'm not familiar with or obscure tech... online articles is what I read now as well
Some creators don't care wether you like or dislike the the videos. RUclips would rather me spend useless amount of time watching fake, scammy, low quality videos when I could have just looked at the dislike button and passed.
How's this for "letting everyone have a voice": Allowing hateful videos - whose whole purpose is to take away someone's voice - to not be disliked? Every biggot, racist and extremist will LOVE this new feature.
The downvote button on reddit is both an amazing blessing but can also be problematic. Within a given community, it can be really helpful for allowing users to sort of self moderate the content by downvoting the spam/abusive comments. In contrast RUclips/Twitter/Facebook all have no way for a user to reduce the visibility of a comment - even a comment to dispute it will boost it's visibility. However, the downvote can also create massive echo chambers. This isn't a problem for uncontroversial stuff like tech videos but for anything political, all discourse (even civil) gets shut down and only one opinion gets shown. This is unlikely something RUclips needs given its existing disinformation problem
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"Our data says: If we make videos unavailable, people never dislike them" 🙃
yes
I never understand what and how does the "our data shows" in these big corporations always fail to appeal any of the majority of users, how does the analytics even approve of this? Prime example other than this is Microsoft removing features in Windows 11, like what does that make sense?
@@ryhanzfx1641 Or the search bar. I mean how can someone NOT see that Windows 10 + 11 search is crap?
I guess RUclips's planning another Rewind...
Yeah, they will get thousands of likes... xD
"Look guys we fixed rewind! Over 1.4k likes and 82 million views!"
@@Mgames_xd they will maybe stop showing views too.
@@Milos596 please don't give them ideas.
It’s funny how the rewind video with REBECCA BLACK has a higher proportion of likes than the 2019 one.
Honestly without the dislike button I'm checking out far less content. It helped me gauge if a video was honest about the title and worth my time. Especially working in the IT field and looking for solutions to odd little problems. This move was made to protect garbage corporations from negative consequences and nothing else.
Also the comments could be easily manipulated by the creator. They are not as reliable as like to dislike ratio which the creator has no control over.
I'm using different apps now for videos most of the time.
There are browser extensions you can use to show the dislike counter.
Mmm... RUclips rewind...
@@fiverZ I've been using one of those since they took away the counter
RUclips: “we’re giving everyone a voice”
Everyone: By taking everyone’s voice away??
This is another example of the “cure” being worse than the disease.
This creates a thousand more problems and fixes nothing.
"we're giving everyone a voice*"
*Voice that we wanna hear.
why do we need a Voice if RUclips can't even listen?
@Danny Pope I say the same thing about most RUclips alternative suggestions. They’re usually echo chambers but of a different variety. I don’t want more choices to mean more echo chambers.
If no one has a voice , everyone has a voice
“People are not willing to look at others point of view”. So, to fix that, we’ll just not let you express yours.
Social engineering 100%. They only want you to see their approved narratives.
The equivalent of: "This house is on fire, and I have a fire extinguisher, but I don't know whether to use red or black gloves so I'll not use it all."
Yes, I would be MORE THAN HAPPY to fill out a quick survey as to why I used the dislike button. For me, I use the dislike button rarely, but when I do, it's because there is a specific reason. I would LOVE to see a formal way by RUclips to see WHY other people like or dislike a video. That would make this platform infinitely better, in every facet.
Dislike: Why? Spam, scam, i disagree, etc... would be fantastic.
This
But most ratioed videos are disliked by people who think Bill gates is evil and Dr Fauci is a liar. Those idiots feelings aren't valid for anything.
@@MrGamelover23 Saying "most" is a fallacy, regardless of that, its their choice and opinion if they want to dislike whatever they want or not; that's the whole point of 'disliking', to voice your general view of what you're watching. You mentioning a specific group holds no argument against the entire virtual removal of the system
Agreed. I give far more likes than dislikes. I haven't counted them but my ratio is probably 1 dislike per 100 likes or so, and even then I think I'm lowballing the amount of likes.
Besides the obvious reason of disliking a video like for one, because it's objectively terrible (Rewinds), the dislikes I rarely dish out are either because the video is nonsense that just made me lose my time watching it (think of searching for a particular error code and the video has "Fix!" in the title and it's just a cam recording of the error code but not an actual fix, just someone sharing it and not even asking for help/info about it) OR because the information is either fake or potentially dangerous.
Any argument Linus made about the dislike button not being objective or constructive can also be applied to the like button.
You saved me the effort of writing this myself.
Like bombing good! Dislike bombing bad!
@@capacamaru Fancy seeing you here Capac ;)
This. If anything is done to the Dislike button, I believe the same thing should happen to the Like button. It's like taking questions in a public speech, but positive ones pass no filter, while negative ones have to pass filters before reaching the speaker. Then the speaker is like "Wow, I was so good I heard only positive things".
its a "positivity" thing, and since people are seemingly incapable of seeing new perspectives on various subjects, everyone has to push positive vibes, and negativity is taken as toxic instead of honest judgement.
A few years of research should tell them that the "Dislike button" should be a "dislike drop down menu" with viable choices as to why one dislikes a video. The "Not interested" link in the drop down menu under each suggested Video on ones home page only gives two options where more would make a whole lot of sense too, and they haven't added viable valid choices there either. There are "I have already watched the video, which they already know because they track and log your every move, and "I don't like this video" which may only be partially true as in "I don't like the topic of this video" because you very well may like the channel just not the topic...
They don't give reasonable choices anywhere to begin with! So they are either stupid as F, or purposely skewing the data for nefarious reasons! Don't forget that RUclips is run and owned by Google, so what can one expect but foul play! I am still pissed that they stopped email notifications on purpose, because they want to count hits, not give you a reason to choose when to go there, and when not, and it's obvious! The reason they gave "People don't want so many emails" is bogus, as they had choices to restrict, or even turn them off already, and the reaction showed that clearly, yet they did it anyhow, which was an asshole move! They show a clear and definitive pattern of assholery!
I enjoy watching RUclips on the Playstation 5. On the RUclips app it's signed onto my husband's account not mine, so if I later hop onto my PC and log into RUclips and see the same video being recommended don't watch it because I might've seen it already.
Just wish as you suggested there was a another option, "passive-viewing: saw the video from another account" .
Great idea though.
Making "Dislike" harder to access will only make me press it less. It will not mean I don't... you know... dislike the video.
If you want to make "Dislike" harder to access, "Like" should get the same treatment, and you add reasons to why you like a video: It's fun, It's entertaining, It's informative, It's comical, so on, so on.
YT can also try steams implementation of negative review bombings and show how massive dislikes were spammed in a matter of short time
@@samasher5370 Smart idea bro. :) If YT removes dislikes, I'm betting honest creators will post their private dislike count using a bit of HTML code in their description. This is a crappy move on YT
Add this idea too. Comments should be 120 characters. No paragraphs.
There's a lot of scam videos that are heavily downvoted and it helps save people. When someone's doing one of these videos and it has the like-to-dislike button disabled its a red flag. This is a horrible change.
If you're so scared of seeing dislikes just disable the feedback button all together. This "inclusive" crap is literally just for overly sensitive people. Sorry I disagree with you Linus, you have points I agree with but I still don't like it
Also, video tutorials, such as how to replace the brake pads on 2005 Honda Civic. I can easily tell which tutorials are garbage by the number of dislikes, particularly if the dislikes outnumber the likes, and simply bypass those videos. I mean, if a video tutorial has 5,000 likes, it is irrelevant if it has 100,000 dislikes.
.. you did watch the whole video, right? He was just playing devil's advocate, nobody in their right mind supports this crap. And I'm sorry but actually believing that they do this to protect small creators and their feelings is very naive. Google actively hates small channels since they take up bandwidth and storage space without providing enough advertisments for Google's pockets. They are just using this excuse to redirect some of the hate towards these people aka hurting them even more. This has only to do with making more money and taking away people's voices since that could stand in the way of the money flow
@@neruwu I guess people comment while the video goes on so they don't lose their train of though about a part of it.
@@Dranzell This
and the problem with comments is that the scammers can just turn them off or delete the ones that try to warn the others
Meanwhile at YT headquarters:
CEO: We want te bring back YT-rewind, but without people making fun of us for receiving the new thumb down world-record on our own platform...
IT-department: Well, that's an easy fix...
lmao yes!!!
Sooner or later they'll ban comments altogether because people will just make fun of them in the comments rather than the removed dislike counter and you'll see an overwhelming 90% negative comments on youtube videos.
Heck some channels already disable comments by default. Censorship 101 and limiting free speech because it hurt someone's fee fee's.
As long as someone isn't threatening to harm someone else, they have every right to dislike and write how much they dislike something, giving their opinion, as much as they want. This isn't diktatorship communist china that censors everything.
Then again North America seems to be steadily hurtling towards that thought police wet state of no criticism of anything you dislike, whether its radical feminism, bad toxic content creators, trolls, predatory companies, corrupt thuggish cops and government practices....etc.
Fking joke of a world to live in.
“You can just leave a comment if you dislike a video”
Can’t the video uploader hide comments that don’t agree with them, making the whole “just leave a negative comment” idea useless. I’ve already seen a bunch of echo chambers as it, now with dislikes being hidden, it’ll be worse. At least when likes and dislikes are hidden, we can easily interpret that video was heavily disliked enough to be shames and embarrassed by the ratio.
On videos like that you will literally have one option to interact with the video "Like" so weird.
Not to mention that comments are quickly buried and forgotten. The like/dislike ratio should be clearly visible below the video itself.
" You could argue with her about this but she has disabled her comments " Nate video replying to Feminist Frequency over hitman games being sexist.
Don't comments help the video get ranked higher in the algorithms?
This combined with the ability to prevent comments means scam videos will have basically free reign for unsuspecting users, since the only way to know is to already have knowledge about whatever the video is talking about. Feels like every time youtube tries to "help the community" they just end up destroying things and tell us to be happy about it
Me wanting to dislike just to show how much I dislike RUclips doing this. But that won't help since this is a video complaining about it so like.
i'll do it on your behalf then. as a "f*** you" to google.
Tin foil hat time: This change was made with the best interest of some large RUclipsrs who've been receiving a lot of hate recently, and more importantly, large companies who have been hated for a long while wanting to hide their public outrage as a marketing tactic.
It's government censorship of covid propaganda.
@@veneratedmortal4369 Spot on.
Look at most news videos especially bbc news videos. They get ratioed to hell and back.
Yeah RUclips that is the reason you see Biden’s dislike to like they are lying there ass off
*cough fucai docu , cnn, and friends, lol
Linus "I thought we..."
Luke "no."
"Disklike" is a destructive force? How about constructive criticism?
The dislike button fits many of the qualities of destructive criticism. It doesn’t facilitate any advice on how to improve or comment on what part was disliked. It is a vague expression of negative reaction that only indicates to the creator “do not make this kind of content anymore.”
The dislike button isn't constructive criticism. I really agree with the guy in this comment section who said we should have a dislike dropdown menu with options for why we disliked the video. We should have known this stupid change was slowly on its way when newer features like RUclips Shorts and community posts from creators hid the number of dislikes...
All the changes RUclips has done in the last couple of years HURT the small creators. CREATORS made RUclips what it is and turning their back on them will kill their site.
Don't need them anymore.
@@ToreOnRUclips I guess you don’t need youtube anymore then either
@@JaylanxYT???
@@ToreOnRUclips You said you don’t need creators anymore, without them there would be no youtube
@@JaylanxYT You misunderstood my comment then. I am writing as a RUclips reply to not needing small creators. Related to OP's comment.
It was easier to avoid bad videos when they used to show the ratio in the search queue
damn shame it’s gone
"You're disliking the wrong things so we're going to take it away"
~RUclips
1.) The dislike function, especially in relation to tutorials and ads can show if content is worth your time. If a tutorial has a very high dislike to like ratio you can tell it likely doesn't work. If an ad for a game has a high dislike ratio you might be able to tell beforehand if it's worth the (I'm in canada) $80 for a single new game. 2.) The like button provides EXACTLY as much feedback as the dislike button. If they want to remove the counter for the dislike button, just remove both buttons. There is no purpose for one without the other.
Lmao, Luke was me throughout the whole "devils advocate" part xD
The "Return RUclips Dislike" - Firefox addon - is going to blow your mind.
"we didn't remove the dislike button , we just chopped all four of its limbs BUT u can still poke it"
Hilarious 😂😂 YT
It’s about protecting brands, companies and government channels making them immune from criticism on this platform where they spend advertising money. We lost this platform the moment it was sold to Google.
"What can the devil do"
Take away the dislike counter
Linus literally took the words out of my mouth. The only time I'd watch a video on RUclips to fix an issue when I cannot understand it via articles. Now, if I watch a video with wrong instructions and follow them. It will just increase my problem and not actually solve it. Well, one thing can be done for more techy/nerdy people will be to just upload a block chain hidden code and just syphon the viewer's resources for their purposes. User gets what he needs and creator gets free resources. This way newbies who are trying to learn will easily be fooled.
Youre wrong and so is he.
Taking away a persons voice is never a good thing.
RUclips are dumb on this one...
Then remove all counters. Like counter - remove. View counter - remove. Subscriber counter - remove. If we're going to care only about what the creator thinks, then only let the creator see any numbers. If you can't accept that, leave the dislike counter.
Guys literally he was playing devil’s advocate!!! He hates this idea and explains it not only in this video, but in part two as well!!!
I really wouldn’t say reddit is a much better platform. There’s tons of karma botting/farming, most subreddits basically permaban anyone who doesn’t agree with them, powermods sometimes skew the entire platform towards a certain viewpoint, etc etc etc
I never realy understood the karma system. Whats the point of it?
I do miss the times of the comment with most upvotes going to the top and the most disliked ones going to the bottom, though
@@jizburg The system originally was designed to push content that people liked further up into a feed. That was the original purpose, unfortunately once it became a statistic on profiles and was found to be exploitable the system has changed over time. Downvotes used to represent "not relevant" to a post or discussion, all it is now is a disagree button.
Straight up, it seems any large subreddit is just a large echo chamber that strikes down any dissenting oppinion.
the first two and a half minutes I thought Linus was a sellout and couldn't confirm or deny the sentiment from the dislike count because there is none...
Imagine being in a position when obtrusive advertising is so prevalent that people without AdBlockers just stop noticing the ads. That's just amazing.
They remove dislike button only because of RUclips rewind saga that's all. No youtuber called for removal of dislike button. No youtuber actually think that's the problem they need to focus on. There are much more worse problems with youtube than getting dislikes.
128 people downvoted this as a final act of defiance. :)
The use for the downvote count you mention is entirely accurate and is how it should be used. But YT doesn't want us to be able to not watch a video at a glance. Their business model relies on us watching more videos. So they want us to have to watch the entire video before we decide it's crap.
8:00
In case you didn't know you can actually disable ratings in the creator studio. It basically hides the Like/Dislike counter for a particular video.
Which is hilarious to me because this is a feature that already exists and no one uses it, now YT wants to make this unsed feature the unrevesable default.
Any video that has likes/dislikes disabled is an immediate red flag.
@@flameshana9 Go figure.
Nintendo recognizes the value of dislikes...
They added the boo button in Mario Maker 2!
I call shenanigans. Corporate BS. The logic is broken. Everything they say goes both ways. I absolutely disdain feedback mechanisms that only have positive options (or, in this case, viewable) (hello, Goodreads and so many others). No. Just no.
Edit: BTW - Leaving this message means that I'm going to get several notifications because several pr0n bots have replied to this comment. After the past month or two, I now rarely comment.
I've kept believing that RUclips has become a shell of its former selves ever since "Broadcast Yourself" is no longer a thing, but this is the lowest of the low and a sign that Susan must be replaced to bring RUclips back to its golden era.
I like Luke, a man of principles. As a smaller creator, after hearing the devils' advocate, those arguments are disingenuous to put it nicely. This is obviously a response to advertisers' and their poor performing content. The dislike button is MORE important than the like button. When my content drops in quality, my viewers let me know. When it's good, they also let me know. As someone who prides themselves on creating the best content they can, it's important to me that other viewers see that. If I was bad at it and still tried my best, I should still receive the dislikes. People need to know if this just ain't for them.
There's this clip of the neutral people from futurama. It has exactly the same amount of likes as dislikes, ti's in perfect neutral balance. They are gonna take that beautiful thing away and I cannot stand behind that.
I can still see the dislike numbers, but the moment I stop seeing them I will DISLIKE EVERY VIDEO I SEE, no matter if it's good, bad, liked or personally dislike it
hey thats exactly what i've been saying. The cap on liked vids folder on your profile is 5000 and i've looped it many times. Meanwhile i have like probably under 100 dislikes because i never do it. I like before watching the vid and i mostly use it as an indication that i've watched this vid at some point so no point in watching again. Well guess what, the dislike works just as well for this. This will 100% change the way I interact with youtube and ultimately spending less time on it.
I recommend disliking only videos from YTs you are not subscribed to, or your front page might become a mess
It's already stopped for me, and I am doing exactly this!!! DISLIKE EVERYTHING.
@@jacksvk7690 My front page has already been a mess for years. All videos I've either already seen or indicated I'm not interested. Maybe if I dislike EVERYTHING now they'll suggest something new and interesting?
7:54 actually creators already had the ability to remove the count. They are just forcing it now
Isn't that just an option to disable both the like and dislike buttons, as opposed to just one? -and if you do that, then it says something about the video, or about the channel if you do it routinely on every video.
Linus not being able to see ads, makes a lot of sense.
RUclips getting real comfortable with these double unskippable and hour long ads
I would be down for filling out a "what didn't you like about this video?" when I dislike it. Because a simple dislike doesn't relay; "this is bad and you should feel bad for making it."
First the Shorts, now removing the dislikes, what's next, getting rid of the timeline bar? Why the heck is RUclips trying to imitate Tiktok? I really hope they don't end up being another Tiktok because i don't like Tiktok in any way. This suppresses viewer's opinions. Let's petition to get the disliked button back!
Linus, the other day I was debating with someone about this and for knowledge and to be sure, I searched how "top" comments work on RUclips. It's apparently a massive equation that takes into account 4 or 5 different variables.
That is why "it doesn't work". Or actually, it does work as intended but not as it should for the rest of us.
Word
Lukes reaction was my reaction 4:13
Also, youtube could implement some useful tools and politics, such as being able to search a video on your saved playlists (how the hell we still cant do that?!), allow creators to mark their videos as "not intended for children" (some adult cartoon creators get their videos automatically marked as "for children" because its a cartoon and have no option to unmark it), implement an impartial evaluation system stop this abusive bullshit where companies can strike channels and decide if they are right or not (judge, jury and executioner shenanigans), or even the basic of keeping the comment you flagged as spam hidden (they appear again if you refresh the page).
I also noticed that some videos (mostly spam or children targeted) already don't show the like/dislike ratio. Was this part of their "study" or creators already have the tools to not show the ratio? Because, if the tools are already available, then this forced change doesnt make any sense and dislike raids will still be a thing. The dislike numbers are important to avoid spam and scam videos for uninformed viewers; specially since these videos have bots to like and comment their videos to induce trust to the viewer.
Kinda off topic but this reminds me when they added that google+ bullcrap that allowed people to follow you with no means to be blocked, which generated harassment from stalkers to some friends of mine.
They'll never give creators control over the dislike feature, because the only channels that will disable this feature are the political, corporate and MSM channels (the same channels that disable comments), which would result in them being ridiculed even further. By forcing this on everybody, youtube can make out that it's to everybodies benefit. When really, 99.9% of creators didn't want this removed at all.
How mad will linus be if we all just dislike this video 😂😂😂😂
lets do it xD
They could also make it so that you can only dislike a video after watching a certain percentage of it. Review bombers don't have the patience to wait for that. Problem solved! Making it optional for the creator to show or hide dislikes is also a great idea. You can already do this with comments.
Without a dislike count you can't know if a tutorial is bad or dangerous. There's always the comments, but keep I'm mind that the creator can easily delete any negative comment, so there's really no way to know anymore.
What you guys are suggesting is basically what Slashdot has done for many years in being able to categorize why you upvoted or downvoted something. The ability to provide that feedback means any up or down vote is useful for the other users.
Sometimes the reason a person dislikes a video is the exact same reason another person likes it.
I was gonna write an essay if Linus ended up agreeing with it through and through, thank goodness he didn't otherwise my fingers would be in danger.
Okay but Linus, a fairly good reason to use Adblock is to block ads that may contain malware.
2:10 this is why i like this duo.
Linus: Dont even think about it. Luke, wait!
Luke: Never compromise. Not even in the face of Armageddon.
“We’re going to be living in an information dystopia, unless we stop calling it a revolution against old media, and start making it a revolution against corporate media.”
-ractalfece, like, at least ten years ago
"There are small creators out there applauding this."
Oh? Name one. Name a single one.
Solution to dislike bombing: turning off both likes and dislikes on the video (something that is already available). If people don't watch the video because it's turned off, then that's fine. The content creator gets to be "protected" like youtube claims they want, they just have to deal with less interaction.
If dislike counter does not show why someone disliked, then neither does the like button show why someone liked.
Tutorial videos on YT are dead to me now. Without community feedback, how will I know the material is any good?
Devil being roasted isn't exactly what I expected from a tech channel, but AMEN BROTHA ✝️
The point of a dislike button is not constructive criticism to the creator. It's to signal "this video is disliked by the community" or "this video is divisive" when the dislike ratio is very large. And that's good.
I think a lot of dislikes on this video were made by people who watched the first minute and didn't listen further to what Linus had to say.
One reason I don’t like the removal is that smaller creators with worse quality may post something amazing like in a tutorial but with out the dislike you can be sure if it’s an ok tutorial or not most the tutorial videos for my truck are mostly all pushing 4 years old and without the dislike button I would skip past the worse quality. Especially if it has to do with something that you depend on.
why did this need to be 2 parts?
otherwise, it would be like a 30-minute video😂 and this part is more about Linus talking about the good side of it and the next part is more about the bad side of it.
You solved the problem in your own statement. People top comment the issues with DIY, or programming, and why it's wrong. The comment section is better than the Dislike ratio on if a video is helpful or not.
People now will jump immediately to comment section for those types of videos.
DISLIKE RUclips campaign
STEP ONE
go to the play store ,
STEP TWO
go to the RUclips app
STEP THREE
rate 1 star ,
STEP FOUR
write a review , one world review ,DISLIKE (in all caps)
RUclips has had an option to display or to not display likes and view count in their creative dashboard. This is solely to protect Legacy Media, and creators that are in the pocket of Susan Wojcicki. When I’ve seen independent creators get lots of dislikes that aren’t narcissistic Machiavellian personality types, they almost always address the viewers issues with that particular video/subject.
I’ve stopped liking videos. Others should also. This is the best way to get the message across. RUclips doesn’t respect our decision making, or the tools we need to watch content.
This was at 404 dislikes when I saw it. Dislike button not found.
Bring back the star rating system then you wouldn't have all the hate that you have all the videos problem solved
I *was* using youtube to automotive guides for home repair work, some of its really good, some of it is dangerous and should be avoided at all costs. Unfortunately some of the "avoid at all costs" videos may have had 15k dislikes, but they also had 3-4k likes. Now they just have 4k likes.
Can't trust any of it now when dealing with things that absolutely must be done correctly else risk damage to car or self.
This change was catered to entertainment. Other entertainment platforms can get away with no dislikes because it’s a question of how popular something is, which can mostly be reflected by views and likes alone. However, RUclips is also an information hosting site, and in those kinds of online tools, a button to express that something doesn’t work, is harmful, or can otherwise inure you is massively important.
Actually, the origin of "Devil's Advocate" is when someone is up for beatification, there is an "Angel's Advocate" speaking in favor of the person's sainthood, while the Devil's Advocate argues against it.
If you don’t update the app the dislikes are still there. I don’t know if anyone has realized this yet.
Google: Announces to remove dislike counter
Also Google: Removes like and dislike counters and buttons completely
I updated the RUclips app today and can still see the dislike number. Is there a date when it's supposed to go away or did RUclips change their mind again?
Yeah, TBH the "Rita, I want S E E X See video on my profile" comments are reaching a critical mass. In the past year or so they've become at least like 10% of all comments on popular channels. RUclips comment moderation seems like it has somehow slipped back to like 2012.
If RUclips wants to diminish the value of the dislike button, then they batter stop treating dislikes as "engagement" for the "algorithm".
The thing I hate with RUclips is that they never share the numbers. They never shared the amount of people who were affected by dislike-bombing. They never shared how removing the ability to see the dislike button would discourage people from pressing it. If they had shared the data that proved this would be a net positive change I might reconsider my stance, but since they are purposely hiding this information I believe it's equally as fair to assume that they are doing this JUST to please larger businesses and nothing else.
The only examples I can find of dislike bombing are people targeted by cancel culture, bad videos/advertisement, music that people don't like, scams/fake content and RUclips Rewind.
I'm gonna have to disagree with your take on Reddit's top comments and whatnot. It all results in an echo chamber of thought. Reddit is cancer just like every other social media place (including RUclips.)
"Small Creators" not a single small creator was consulted for this. When RUclips had their meeting about this, they had a few major creators, the major media companies, and the government show up. Not a single small creator.
RUclips is just sick of dislikes on their rewind video.
I still see the dislikes on the app
I still see them on TY desktop here in the UK.
I FELT THAT when you said you don’t see ads. It’s like I have my own internal ad block that’s on all the time. Probably also why I don’t get overstimulated in Times Square when I’ve seen that happen to other people 😂
Coming soon on youtube : No view count ; invisibile titles and blurred videos, so that you don't need to see the video
Emplemon once said regarding the Dislike that the dislike doesn' hurt creators, they only hurt egos, which is I think a better solution than reddit where is limits visibility
Linus is implying that it's for the creators sake, not because in the past some corporate fee fees have been hurt in the past :)
Oh, we KNOW that's the real reasoning behind it. Google has to bow down to their master's in the WH, Disney, and especially the CCP.
That same logic can be said of the Like button. We can do this all day, running in circles, wearing beanies on our heads in doors, using stretched and disproportional green screen backgrounds on our podcast because who has the time to find one that actually matches the aspect ratio of the camera? Am I right?...
Remember when the quality of a video's content was determined by the number of stars the video had?
removing the dislike figures will just lead to the toxicity as on facebook where even irrational posts that get some likes can be seen as the norm to impressionable youths, for example logan pauls japan vlog still got thousands of likes despite its content and with the ever growing mental health issues could be taken by some people in a positive light
also, removing it means that a part of viewers will watch videos that they otherwise wouldnt and therefor more money from ads for youtube. Is all about cash as corporate interests. There's no way they are doing this for creators, either big or small.
I will tell you how my behaviour has changed : I will not like any video because there is no point to it.
"I've used it many times this month."
RUclips: "This awful thing needs to be destroyed."
As a user, a visible like / dislike ratio has prevented me from wasting time on a TON of spammy videos.
welp, they removed the dislike button on the asian region today
As a software developer, I absolutely agree with the last point, I can no longer get a quick video tutorial for some trivial stuff I'm not familiar with or obscure tech... online articles is what I read now as well
Some creators don't care wether you like or dislike the the videos.
RUclips would rather me spend useless amount of time watching fake, scammy, low quality videos when I could have just looked at the dislike button and passed.
How's this for "letting everyone have a voice": Allowing hateful videos - whose whole purpose is to take away someone's voice - to not be disliked? Every biggot, racist and extremist will LOVE this new feature.
The downvote button on reddit is both an amazing blessing but can also be problematic. Within a given community, it can be really helpful for allowing users to sort of self moderate the content by downvoting the spam/abusive comments. In contrast RUclips/Twitter/Facebook all have no way for a user to reduce the visibility of a comment - even a comment to dispute it will boost it's visibility.
However, the downvote can also create massive echo chambers. This isn't a problem for uncontroversial stuff like tech videos but for anything political, all discourse (even civil) gets shut down and only one opinion gets shown. This is unlikely something RUclips needs given its existing disinformation problem