Mira is an example of how to get depressed really quickly in society and while Tom might not fit as well into society, he can at least find solace in himself. Intrinsic (first handedness) motivations are always superior and are what leads to innovation. Of course since we live with other humans, taking them into account is usually also good to have in order to get even further beyond. But Extrinsic motivations (second handedness) is almost always terrible because it's dogmatic by its nature. If you do not add a thorough explanation of why certain things are preferable (giving it a more intrinsic property) you are robbing a person of their own thinking. When raising children, let them do what they want and when they do something you disagree with, explain to them why. Don't just blatantly say "this is bad" because it's worthless advice. People should never cater to others. Let's say you own a restaurant and you love serving people but you do not have a way for people in wheelchairs to arrive and enjoy your business. It should come from you to build some path they could use. It shouldn't be forced on you by society or government. Context sometimes impedes from these types of things from happening because there are countless variables that contribute to decision making and personal satisfaction. Intrinsic people will always have it better on average. Sadly I see so many that are extrinsically motivated that they have no idea what to do in life and just do the bidding of others. When your parents want you to be a doctor. When your society tells you that you need a university/college degree. When you are told that art will not pay. When you are told that the government is X and Y and you should vote like this or that. All of those things teach you to be subservient and not a critical thinker. It teaches you to look up to others for approval and your body learns to release whatever hormones (dopamine I believe) only when you get approval from others or the imaginary potential of approval from others, rather than being satisfied with yourself. This also ultimately hurts self esteem because you can never rely on yourself. If society changes its mind and you no longer fit its mold, you could get into deep depression because you have no idea how to deal with it other than try to become a satisfier regardless of how it will objectively potentially hurt you. It's important to get feedback. It's important to take others into consideration when doing certain things. But never give others the power to control you. Extremely extrinsic people are no better than puppets (sometimes without a master). Ultimately in life the only person you will always have by your side is yourself. And if you cannot rely on yourself and be happy, then there won't ever be a guarantee that you'll ever be/remain happy. To transition from being an extrinsic person to a more intrinsic one, I'd recommend trying new things and actively not show them to anyone. Force yourself to be satisfied without the approval of others (many young artists, for example, stop doing art purely because as all artists they aren't very good and they don't get good feedback and it kills them as they are extrinsically motivated). You can pick a video game and try to become good at it. You can pick up an instrument and try to learn using the internet (a teacher who teaches extrinsically could hurt this conversion process). Get a few books and try to study math. Pick up a pencil and try to learn calligraphy. Anything will work. And when you find the thing that clicks with you, you can always later in life use it for some extrinsic boost. Seeing as other members of society approve of your skills/knowledge can also help with self esteem since it makes you more valuable and more competent. The process is not easy. It may take years. But it takes you off the extrinsic path where your happiness is tied to others and not yourself meaning it cannot be controlled. These are of course my opinions on the subject. I had a lot of introspection done in my very early adulthood and I do to this day and I keep working on it myself. Finding satisfaction in my own achievements in life without telling it to others. The more you force yourself to do it, the easier it becomes to just be whole with oneself. I still have friends and I still share things here and there, but I do not seek my primary satisfaction from showing off and I do not try to actively satisfy them with my work. Great friendships do not rely on forced approval. tl;dr You need both intrinsicism and extrinsicism but intrinsicism is overall way more valuable to an individual because it is genuine and self-reliant and it adheres to ethics (ethics being defined as the field that answers what one should do which is built on the hierarchy of values based on a rationality). I don't see in any way how being Mira is ever better than being Tom. Mira's life seems so much more miserable. This is, of course, my opinion. Feel free to add anything further or disagree in a reply. Knowing different perspectives is always useful :]
IMO the pandemic (and subsequent lockdowns) really emphasized the Miras from the Toms. Of course both Mira and Tom can be affected depending on how much they value social interactions for their health, but the notion of really being alone for prolonged periods of time really brings forth the extrinsic vs intrinsic conflict.
Said rules can be a real-life saver. sometimes just "following your heart" which is essentially "do what you want no matter the consequence" can lead to harming yourself or others.
@@mythm2063 Follow your “gut feeling” then 🙃 The gut has been found scientifically in the past few decades to possess a huge number of neurons, second place most densely filled with neuronal networks and receptors, after the brain of course. Like a second brain in command of creating neurotransmitters for your brain, mainly serotonin. So that “gut feeling” you get when something/someone rubs you the wrong way and seems a bad choice… or the one when something gives you butterflies in your stomach and makes you feel all happy and giddy… might just be really unto something real lol
I really relate to Tom. I spent a lot of time alone as a child playing with simple open ended toys. But received little feedback on anything and didn’t socialise with other kids because my highly religious parents believed we needed to separate ourselves from society to not be influenced by "the world". I consider myself intelligent but struggle to fit into society and the things I do or enjoy seem weird to others. I’m reasonably happy as an adult but I don’t care about other people unfortunately.
Not care about the wellbeing of other people ??? Is that what your parents' religion taught you? Not trying to be rude here, but what religion is that?
@@la381also notice how even thou their parents followed a religion, they did not purse some kind of altruism within that religion, since the main teaching this person mentions is "separate ourselves from society". My family is religion is Christianity, but the example they gave me was to criticize and separate from everything, hence I was also left with not caring about people needs and feedback. Religion is a dogma, not a personality. Being religious does not make you a "good" person, being a good person makes you a good person
The balancing of both is a great idea. Sometimes I need what others feel about me, sometimes what I am feeling about myself is better to go moderation. The important thing is learning attitude and analyzing people and ourselves to know and understand more about us. Learning from the inner and outer sides of the world is better to know more about the consequences. And it helps when I am alone, and I am with people.
Speaking of Intrinsic vs extrinsic value, yes, intrinsic is better. This video was too simplistic and used poor examples so that one could get confused between intrinsic /extrinsic value vs. intrinsic /extrinsic motivation.
It's clear for me that intrinsic motivation it's "better" because you will always find a strong fortress inside of you, even if, you will struggle in society. So, you'll be happy on inside, bat sad on the outside :P Moreover, I'm quite sure that this video will be seen especially by intrinsic people, who strive for better consciousness of themselves and personal growth for the sake of it 🤷♂️
I think it's important to have a bit of both. You need to open your mind to the thoughts of others but not to the point that it'll corrupt your heart and your interests.
This video is more focused on parenting and external socialization impacts on the child. However, the balance also needs to factor in the child's preference by "congenital disposition" of personality for extrinsic verses intrinsic interaction. Parents need to be flexible and adjust to what the child needs based on who the child is. Children are not text book, one size fits all.
The society then gives a tangible value to your intrinsic achievement and as you try to balance both out, you find yourself doubting if what you're doing is worth it. Because intrinsic achievements may not feed you while extrinsic reward may not fulfill you.
"Intrinsic achievements may not feed you while extrinsic reward may not fulfill you." is a brilliant statement. A keeper. The trick is to find the intrinsic fulfillment in life that leads to receiving extrinsic rewards.
At the end of the video when it talks about positive feedback doing more than material reward, it's true. You'll always remember a kind word or compliment freely given that you can look back and smile on ,but you'll always view a paycheck as a paycheck
I listen to both of them as there are many things that we can't change immediately but things that pleases the heart are more joyfull than worldly praise .A very warm welcome for this lesson ,its excellent.
I wanted to go into accounting but my father told me to take biology and now I am in med school. The experience right now is just uncertain. I am starting to have second thoughts as my mind diverts when I am no longer around the books. After my own assessment, I have to be honest at least for the readers of this comment, the decision to study medicine was more of driven by the social voices and the interests of my parents. Despite this, I am very much satisfied when I quench my inherent curiosity and expand my mind through aquiring the information pertaining the inner mechanics around me. It is like exploring a whole new system of pathways that I personally believe humans could never have progressed to design themselves.
I study physics for more than 2 years now and I quickly realized that I will never be the top at the class again since everyone is seemingly smarter. I recently considered getting into a second major and do something were I can earn some money but covid showed me that I want to get better at drawing... it's so hard to fit into society and br truely free I guess
Get a stable job (even if it doesn't pay much) and draw in your free time. You'll be much happier than if you made a lot of money and never had time to draw. Intrinsic motivations supersede extrinsic ones because as an individual true self esteem can only be gained by doing something you genuinely enjoy and not adhering to what others think you would enjoy.
You should find something which will satisfy your both the hobbies. Also like Physics and public speaking means becoming a teacher can satisfy my both hobbies. I like to talk people , I can not sit on desk all day, l like creaking joke,helping other. Even those currently I am not getting enough money as compared my classmates . But still I am satisfied
Its a balance of them, to be creative whilst understanding what society expects and also find what interests you. Its not an either or situation, its more complicated than that. Some people are more creative than others and some are more grounded than the rest...
I can relate with being alone and bored. What usually happens is the veil of night slowly pushes you toward a television, you start to experiment, make poorer decisions, and eventually encounter an obstacle you cannot change. I think this is when you are who you are in form. But it takes virtue to know when to act and when to hold your tongue. Sometimes creativity is not something you can expect or control. In the end you only have to ask yourself if you were truly tested and did your best. I think hiding and lying is what is unacceptable. You are a leader when you think on your own.
So now I realise I’m more extrinsically motivated in doing my physics and maths degree, because I needed to do well in it and get the good feedback to get my degree; but I can be intrinsically motivated to solve puzzles (including maths problems), and even more so in learning random facts (mostly about video games, board games, fandoms, train routes, etc.). I’ll search this up by myself, even at the cost of my time that I needed to spend on my degree. …which can be quite the issue, especially when I know I should fulfil my responsibility, but I’m more motivated in my interests. Also it’s interesting to note that one might be more extrinsically motivated to do something than intrinsically motivated to once rewards are given and there are responsibilities to bear, which might be what happened to my degree subject for me. One would start to do it for the reward instead of doing it out of pure interest, and when the reward’s reduced, so is the motivation. Is it hard to find that “sweet spot” in the two?
Woah this is strange but meera is me at some points... I was a topper in class, was admired by all my teachers and friends, I worked hard and got into a medical school but....now things are difficult... I often wonder if this was the right choice? I can't go back and I guess I don't even have a choice... At present I am in a state of chaos. There is no extrinsic motivation left but I am in a process of finding myself, my intrinsic motivation. Thanks for this video. I will try to bring a healthy balance between both extrinsic and intrinsic motivation
Most people have experienced a fairly even mix of internally and externally generated scenarios in their lives. After all, during developmental years, we're subjected to dozens of role models - not just our parents! We can accrue and internalize vast arrays of habits and thought patterns, some of which can be contradictory, and have any combination of positive, neutral, or negative experiences therein.
I do believe balancing both is an ideal but most times one tends to override the other hence some people are more extrinsically motivated than intrinsically vise versa great video gives pure insight
It's like the nature of goals It's nice to have both mastery goals (aka the willingness to learn from an activity) and performance goals (aka the willingness to prove your ability) At the beginning i couldn't understand the importance of performance goals and the impact they have on our behavior, but i realized that we live in a society so our behavior is linked with our society in some way.
I have taken most of the decisions related to major to studies in the Bachelors I had my own choices. And yes it is true that I sometimes get out of this world and I do not think like most of the people around me. But soon I realised that this uniqueness should not get out of control and I should learn to follow the rules of the world too. Like I used to say that the money does not matter, but while growing up I saw things around me and all I could understand was that money is the major part of the life and I cannot ignore it.
So many great moments in this video, and some good insights! I actually disagree with the premise that extrinsic motivation = connecting with and understanding society/people around us. You can raise a child without extrinsic motivation and still teach them societal expectations and have a relationship with them, giving them feedback on their behavior. You can be intrinsically motivated to participate in relationships and society.
May I dub this in Japanese like a "reacts" video for the parents at my nursery here in Japan? I always try to explain this, but your video captures the idea so perfectly with practical examples. Very good work!
Hi Dale Berry! What a lovely idea:) Get in touch with us via sproutsschools.com/contact/ or drop us a message at www.patreon.com/sprouts so we can discuss this further. Cheers!
My parents never paid or gave physical rewards for grades. The marks that were first looked at by them were about our behavior because they always said that was the most important. Other parents couldn't believe they didn't have to pay us and we still had 3.9 GPAs. That's because our parents had given us a consistent routine and expectations for school and once met we were free to do what we wanted with minimal oversight. Plus once we were 5+ our parents checked in on the activities we were doing and whether we liked them/wanted to sign up for another year. The only requirement was we had to complete the season/year we signed up for because we had made a commitment to that group/activity
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I am very intrinsic, but that does not mean I don't make much money. I learned to use my creativity and unique insights to solve unintuitive engineering problems. Over the years, this has been somewhat lucrative although I will always be working on my people skills.
I grew up by single parent and don't know about socity need. Attitude, little bit connect with socity but lern from 💓 . Still I grew by inner strength.
I’ve always been more intrinsic I followed my heart and whatever I wanted to do sometimes I didn’t get the best grades and I wasn’t ever good at socializing and a part of me wishes my parents did force me to learn an instrument at a young age or had high expectations of me sometimes they did but they usually didn’t last long when I just kept disappointing them over and over I just want to function better in society i’m pretty passionate about art and music but its hard to really stay interested in anything else and I currently have almost no motivation to work on school and i’m so behind I wish I could have a good balance
What I like to do is first see the videos and then read other openings... There are different types of people in here.... Lots of ways to express themselves... Some of them you can agree with or not...but you can find a way of seeing the same aspect differently....
Balance does not mean 50/50. I'd argue that a good balance would be closer to 80/20 if not more extreme even, intrinsicism taking priority. You matter to yourself the most but since you live with other people in society, you have an extra perspective to pay attention to. If you go and look at who are some of the happiest people around, you'll find them to be more inclined intrinsically in a super majority of cases.
I was actually extrinsic motivated perhaps till 14 or maybe over 16, but when I went to college I had a little conversation with me and here I'm.. Studying what I mostly desire and dealing with my society happily. By the way I would love to say thank you, Sprouts for this content.💙
Besides motivation being intrinsic or extrinsic, it call also be positive or negative. Both negative intrinsic and negative extrinsic motivation can affect self-esteem. In the case of Tom getting no feedback from his parents when younger, this is effectively negative motivation, for example. There is a saying that goes "the beatings will stop when morale improves!"
I have learn that you can do what u love but u have to give up a little of freedom to make a living. Follow some unwritten rules of lives is needed to survive in this world but if u wanna feel happy u need do the things that you enjoy, not matter how childish, foolish, or crazy others can see them. Just don't let them take control of your life.
I've been motivated extrinsically till I was 15. Then something went wrong and I start questioning everything and eventually my grades got down. Now I'm following my heart. It's at times satisfying but out of my parents expectation. Pretty much lost and pretty much motivated to explore. Which category do I belong?
I thought you should have introduced the 3rd kid so you could show it with a balance of encouragement from parents and yet not going overboard….then I kept listening & see that you did & I like your ending….all about balance! 😊
This video is so thought provoking but what can one do if they have somewhat grown up like Mira and are clueless about their interests and future? It's not like they have the same amount of time to explore and have Tom's childhood with some genuine feedback again.
if you learn do what you have to today , tomorrow you'll be able to do whatever and however you want...LEARN TO ENJOY LEARNING AND YOUR LIFE WILL NEVER BE BORING...SOCIETY IS JUST A GAME, TO TAKE YOUR ATTENTION OFF THE OBJECTIVE ...ATTENTION PAYS THOSE WHO PAY ATTENTION..not tuition lmao
I'll tell my kids do your best or try or try your best, you don't have to be the best or top of the class or have amazing grades, you can have from really good to good to average grades or whatever and it'll be cool
In Plato's Republic, Glaucon asks Socrates if Justice is a primary good or a secondary good. Something we do to keep the world just (extrinsic), else it is because it improves us and therefore our life outcome (intrinsic). Then Thrasymachus made an all too post modernist argument that the idea of justice is a tool the oppressors use to manipulate the oppressed into thinking their oppression is just. I suspect these ideas, and subcategories of them, have been debated for longer than most of us think.
Good info but in life nothing is just black and white (orange or red). In this case happiness is between the shades of orange and red. That's like hundreds of shade. TC out of my recommendations!
I don't believe this individuals dont find task's either inherintly or intrinsically motivating, I think intrinsic motivators are more like Maslow's heirarchy of needs. Meanwhile extrinsic motivators provide value to the ones around you. What happend is Tom completly disregards his psychological needs dilludes himself into getting esteem from selfish tasks which only build softskills. Mira neglects her basic needs (mostly rest) and saftey needs (never feels secure) pushing herself too far to please others thinking she can achieve anything she puts her mind to. The idea that we acomplish tasks via intrinsic/extrinsic motivation is more like: Tom sees somone that is great at something reciving external reward, believes he can get 'that good'. He does that task irregardless of external motivation as if he has reached that skill level: its as if he recived them rewards - giving him a feeling of faux self esteem. However he neglects his psychological needs as noone actually shows him love / gives him a sense of acomplishment. Thinking when im 'X' good ill do this or that. Mira knows that people will reward her if she acomplishes x or y so she does all she can to execute it and for them to notice. Sacrificing her basic needs for physilogical needs. Thinking i can rest later ill be safe later. Tom ends up selfish and mira ends up selfless. So if maybe we just make sure our basic needs are met and we do all we can to enrich the lifes of others in the left over time weyll be fine, meeting our full potential.
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Mira is an example of how to get depressed really quickly in society and while Tom might not fit as well into society, he can at least find solace in himself. Intrinsic (first handedness) motivations are always superior and are what leads to innovation. Of course since we live with other humans, taking them into account is usually also good to have in order to get even further beyond. But Extrinsic motivations (second handedness) is almost always terrible because it's dogmatic by its nature. If you do not add a thorough explanation of why certain things are preferable (giving it a more intrinsic property) you are robbing a person of their own thinking. When raising children, let them do what they want and when they do something you disagree with, explain to them why. Don't just blatantly say "this is bad" because it's worthless advice. People should never cater to others. Let's say you own a restaurant and you love serving people but you do not have a way for people in wheelchairs to arrive and enjoy your business. It should come from you to build some path they could use. It shouldn't be forced on you by society or government. Context sometimes impedes from these types of things from happening because there are countless variables that contribute to decision making and personal satisfaction. Intrinsic people will always have it better on average. Sadly I see so many that are extrinsically motivated that they have no idea what to do in life and just do the bidding of others.
When your parents want you to be a doctor. When your society tells you that you need a university/college degree. When you are told that art will not pay. When you are told that the government is X and Y and you should vote like this or that. All of those things teach you to be subservient and not a critical thinker. It teaches you to look up to others for approval and your body learns to release whatever hormones (dopamine I believe) only when you get approval from others or the imaginary potential of approval from others, rather than being satisfied with yourself. This also ultimately hurts self esteem because you can never rely on yourself. If society changes its mind and you no longer fit its mold, you could get into deep depression because you have no idea how to deal with it other than try to become a satisfier regardless of how it will objectively potentially hurt you.
It's important to get feedback. It's important to take others into consideration when doing certain things. But never give others the power to control you. Extremely extrinsic people are no better than puppets (sometimes without a master). Ultimately in life the only person you will always have by your side is yourself. And if you cannot rely on yourself and be happy, then there won't ever be a guarantee that you'll ever be/remain happy.
To transition from being an extrinsic person to a more intrinsic one, I'd recommend trying new things and actively not show them to anyone. Force yourself to be satisfied without the approval of others (many young artists, for example, stop doing art purely because as all artists they aren't very good and they don't get good feedback and it kills them as they are extrinsically motivated). You can pick a video game and try to become good at it. You can pick up an instrument and try to learn using the internet (a teacher who teaches extrinsically could hurt this conversion process). Get a few books and try to study math. Pick up a pencil and try to learn calligraphy. Anything will work. And when you find the thing that clicks with you, you can always later in life use it for some extrinsic boost. Seeing as other members of society approve of your skills/knowledge can also help with self esteem since it makes you more valuable and more competent. The process is not easy. It may take years. But it takes you off the extrinsic path where your happiness is tied to others and not yourself meaning it cannot be controlled.
These are of course my opinions on the subject. I had a lot of introspection done in my very early adulthood and I do to this day and I keep working on it myself. Finding satisfaction in my own achievements in life without telling it to others. The more you force yourself to do it, the easier it becomes to just be whole with oneself. I still have friends and I still share things here and there, but I do not seek my primary satisfaction from showing off and I do not try to actively satisfy them with my work. Great friendships do not rely on forced approval.
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You need both intrinsicism and extrinsicism but intrinsicism is overall way more valuable to an individual because it is genuine and self-reliant and it adheres to ethics (ethics being defined as the field that answers what one should do which is built on the hierarchy of values based on a rationality). I don't see in any way how being Mira is ever better than being Tom. Mira's life seems so much more miserable. This is, of course, my opinion. Feel free to add anything further or disagree in a reply. Knowing different perspectives is always useful :]
IMO the pandemic (and subsequent lockdowns) really emphasized the Miras from the Toms. Of course both Mira and Tom can be affected depending on how much they value social interactions for their health, but the notion of really being alone for prolonged periods of time really brings forth the extrinsic vs intrinsic conflict.
Reading your comment is much more satisfying!!
Thanks man for your words👍
Great 🙌
Thank you brother 💙
Wow. Thank you for sharing your knowledge and experience!
A person has to follow their heart, however in order to fit in with Society a person has to follow their rules.
I think the expression follow your heart is BS, the heart doesn't control anything of you, maybe you talking about consciousness and unconsciousness ?
@@mythm2063 take...care 😇
Said rules can be a real-life saver. sometimes just "following your heart" which is essentially "do what you want no matter the consequence" can lead to harming yourself or others.
@@mythm2063 Follow your “gut feeling” then 🙃 The gut has been found scientifically in the past few decades to possess a huge number of neurons, second place most densely filled with neuronal networks and receptors, after the brain of course. Like a second brain in command of creating neurotransmitters for your brain, mainly serotonin. So that “gut feeling” you get when something/someone rubs you the wrong way and seems a bad choice… or the one when something gives you butterflies in your stomach and makes you feel all happy and giddy… might just be really unto something real lol
Imma show this to my parents because this is literally me and me brother.
Most of Asian students have the same situation
This is me and me sister, she's a doctor
@@GarviHere its me and my sister
its me and my brother
Heyy budy I and u have the same name
I really relate to Tom. I spent a lot of time alone as a child playing with simple open ended toys. But received little feedback on anything and didn’t socialise with other kids because my highly religious parents believed we needed to separate ourselves from society to not be influenced by "the world". I consider myself intelligent but struggle to fit into society and the things I do or enjoy seem weird to others. I’m reasonably happy as an adult but I don’t care about other people unfortunately.
Not care about the wellbeing of other people ??? Is that what your parents' religion taught you? Not trying to be rude here, but what religion is that?
@@la381 he meant not care about other forms of feedback from other people, such as extrinsic motivations
@@la381also notice how even thou their parents followed a religion, they did not purse some kind of altruism within that religion, since the main teaching this person mentions is "separate ourselves from society". My family is religion is Christianity, but the example they gave me was to criticize and separate from everything, hence I was also left with not caring about people needs and feedback.
Religion is a dogma, not a personality. Being religious does not make you a "good" person, being a good person makes you a good person
The balancing of both is a great idea. Sometimes I need what others feel about me, sometimes what I am feeling about myself is better to go moderation. The important thing is learning attitude and analyzing people and ourselves to know and understand more about us. Learning from the inner and outer sides of the world is better to know more about the consequences. And it helps when I am alone, and I am with people.
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I always thought intrinsic motivation is good and extrinsic motivation is bad.....this video changed my thinking
Me too!
Speaking of Intrinsic vs extrinsic value, yes, intrinsic is better. This video was too simplistic and used poor examples so that one could get confused between intrinsic /extrinsic value vs. intrinsic /extrinsic motivation.
It's clear for me that intrinsic motivation it's "better" because you will always find a strong fortress inside of you, even if, you will struggle in society. So, you'll be happy on inside, bat sad on the outside :P
Moreover, I'm quite sure that this video will be seen especially by intrinsic people, who strive for better consciousness of themselves and personal growth for the sake of it 🤷♂️
I think it's important to have a bit of both. You need to open your mind to the thoughts of others but not to the point that it'll corrupt your heart and your interests.
This video is more focused on parenting and external socialization impacts on the child. However, the balance also needs to factor in the child's preference by "congenital disposition" of personality for extrinsic verses intrinsic interaction. Parents need to be flexible and adjust to what the child needs based on who the child is. Children are not text book, one size fits all.
The society then gives a tangible value to your intrinsic achievement and as you try to balance both out, you find yourself doubting if what you're doing is worth it. Because intrinsic achievements may not feed you while extrinsic reward may not fulfill you.
"Intrinsic achievements may not feed you while extrinsic reward may not fulfill you." is a brilliant statement. A keeper. The trick is to find the intrinsic fulfillment in life that leads to receiving extrinsic rewards.
Motivation is basically reason for doing anything
At the end of the video when it talks about positive feedback doing more than material reward, it's true. You'll always remember a kind word or compliment freely given that you can look back and smile on ,but you'll always view a paycheck as a paycheck
I listen to both of them as there are many things that we can't change immediately but things that pleases the heart are more joyfull than worldly praise .A very warm welcome for this lesson ,its excellent.
Thanks for sharing!
I wanted to go into accounting but my father told me to take biology and now I am in med school. The experience right now is just uncertain. I am starting to have second thoughts as my mind diverts when I am no longer around the books. After my own assessment, I have to be honest at least for the readers of this comment, the decision to study medicine was more of driven by the social voices and the interests of my parents. Despite this, I am very much satisfied when I quench my inherent curiosity and expand my mind through aquiring the information pertaining the inner mechanics around me. It is like exploring a whole new system of pathways that I personally believe humans could never have progressed to design themselves.
John Holloway here. I been working with Shirley Clay and she been motivating me
I study physics for more than 2 years now and I quickly realized that I will never be the top at the class again since everyone is seemingly smarter. I recently considered getting into a second major and do something were I can earn some money but covid showed me that I want to get better at drawing... it's so hard to fit into society and br truely free I guess
Get a stable job (even if it doesn't pay much) and draw in your free time. You'll be much happier than if you made a lot of money and never had time to draw. Intrinsic motivations supersede extrinsic ones because as an individual true self esteem can only be gained by doing something you genuinely enjoy and not adhering to what others think you would enjoy.
You should find something which will satisfy your both the hobbies. Also like Physics and public speaking means becoming a teacher can satisfy my both hobbies. I like to talk people , I can not sit on desk all day, l like creaking joke,helping other. Even those currently I am not getting enough money as compared my classmates . But still I am satisfied
Its a balance of them, to be creative whilst understanding what society expects and also find what interests you. Its not an either or situation, its more complicated than that. Some people are more creative than others and some are more grounded than the rest...
I can relate with being alone and bored. What usually happens is the veil of night slowly pushes you toward a television, you start to experiment, make poorer decisions, and eventually encounter an obstacle you cannot change. I think this is when you are who you are in form. But it takes virtue to know when to act and when to hold your tongue. Sometimes creativity is not something you can expect or control. In the end you only have to ask yourself if you were truly tested and did your best. I think hiding and lying is what is unacceptable. You are a leader when you think on your own.
So now I realise I’m more extrinsically motivated in doing my physics and maths degree, because I needed to do well in it and get the good feedback to get my degree; but I can be intrinsically motivated to solve puzzles (including maths problems), and even more so in learning random facts (mostly about video games, board games, fandoms, train routes, etc.). I’ll search this up by myself, even at the cost of my time that I needed to spend on my degree.
…which can be quite the issue, especially when I know I should fulfil my responsibility, but I’m more motivated in my interests.
Also it’s interesting to note that one might be more extrinsically motivated to do something than intrinsically motivated to once rewards are given and there are responsibilities to bear, which might be what happened to my degree subject for me. One would start to do it for the reward instead of doing it out of pure interest, and when the reward’s reduced, so is the motivation. Is it hard to find that “sweet spot” in the two?
Woah this is strange but meera is me at some points... I was a topper in class, was admired by all my teachers and friends, I worked hard and got into a medical school but....now things are difficult... I often wonder if this was the right choice? I can't go back and I guess I don't even have a choice... At present I am in a state of chaos. There is no extrinsic motivation left but I am in a process of finding myself, my intrinsic motivation.
Thanks for this video. I will try to bring a healthy balance between both extrinsic and intrinsic motivation
How is it possible that I have the issues of both of these children?
Damn!!!
Then you're trying to balance both out but a successful balance isn't easy to achieve either.
are you saying you can fit in society and not fit in society at the same time.
Most people have experienced a fairly even mix of internally and externally generated scenarios in their lives. After all, during developmental years, we're subjected to dozens of role models - not just our parents! We can accrue and internalize vast arrays of habits and thought patterns, some of which can be contradictory, and have any combination of positive, neutral, or negative experiences therein.
You need a third child 😂
The extrinsic motivation felt like a personal attack.
I do believe balancing both is an ideal but most times one tends to override the other hence some people are more extrinsically motivated than intrinsically vise versa great video gives pure insight
The artist better be getting paid well. He/she attracts a lot of viewers.
It's like the nature of goals
It's nice to have both mastery goals (aka the willingness to learn from an activity) and performance goals (aka the willingness to prove your ability)
At the beginning i couldn't understand the importance of performance goals and the impact they have on our behavior, but i realized that we live in a society so our behavior is linked with our society in some way.
That first quote their is brilliant, perfectly summing up the reasons why people work.
Thanks
I have taken most of the decisions related to major to studies in the Bachelors I had my own choices. And yes it is true that I sometimes get out of this world and I do not think like most of the people around me. But soon I realised that this uniqueness should not get out of control and I should learn to follow the rules of the world too. Like I used to say that the money does not matter, but while growing up I saw things around me and all I could understand was that money is the major part of the life and I cannot ignore it.
So many great moments in this video, and some good insights! I actually disagree with the premise that extrinsic motivation = connecting with and understanding society/people around us. You can raise a child without extrinsic motivation and still teach them societal expectations and have a relationship with them, giving them feedback on their behavior. You can be intrinsically motivated to participate in relationships and society.
May I dub this in Japanese like a "reacts" video for the parents at my nursery here in Japan?
I always try to explain this, but your video captures the idea so perfectly with practical examples. Very good work!
Hi Dale Berry! What a lovely idea:) Get in touch with us via sproutsschools.com/contact/ or drop us a message at www.patreon.com/sprouts so we can discuss this further.
Cheers!
Balance, balance in everything!
My parents never paid or gave physical rewards for grades. The marks that were first looked at by them were about our behavior because they always said that was the most important. Other parents couldn't believe they didn't have to pay us and we still had 3.9 GPAs. That's because our parents had given us a consistent routine and expectations for school and once met we were free to do what we wanted with minimal oversight. Plus once we were 5+ our parents checked in on the activities we were doing and whether we liked them/wanted to sign up for another year. The only requirement was we had to complete the season/year we signed up for because we had made a commitment to that group/activity
Awesome 👍
واو شكلك مثقفة وين ما بروح ع قنوات جميلة بشوفك
I'm invigorated by the transformative essence of this material. A book with like content inspired change and growth. "Dominating Your Clock: Strategies for Professional and Personal Success" by Anthony Rivers
This is so relatable.....I think this channel deserves much moree.!
I am very intrinsic, but that does not mean I don't make much money. I learned to use my creativity and unique insights to solve unintuitive engineering problems. Over the years, this has been somewhat lucrative although I will always be working on my people skills.
A balance of intrinsic and extrinsic motivation is definitely needed
…And then there is who follows both ways of motivation but results in having both negative impacts
Are you spying on me or something?
Wow this was a lot deeper than I thought it would be when I started the video
Can we just appreciate the little story about Mira and Tom real quick? XD That was really cool.
Wow, you're one video taught me more about my workout problems than a million workout motivation videos.
I grew up by single parent and don't know about socity need. Attitude, little bit connect with socity but lern from 💓 . Still I grew by inner strength.
really really Really REALLY GOOD ONE!
Yes it's really new information for me.
Thanks
When asked what is the most difficult thing in life, my ans has always been the same: Finding a balance
I’ve always been more intrinsic I followed my heart and whatever I wanted to do sometimes I didn’t get the best grades and I wasn’t ever good at socializing and a part of me wishes my parents did force me to learn an instrument at a young age or had high expectations of me sometimes they did but they usually didn’t last long when I just kept disappointing them over and over I just want to function better in society i’m pretty passionate about art and music but its hard to really stay interested in anything else and I currently have almost no motivation to work on school and i’m so behind I wish I could have a good balance
This is vibrant content. A book I read of the same vibe was equally dynamic. "The Art of Meaningful Relationships in the 21st Century" by Leo Flint
What I like to do is first see the videos and then read other openings... There are different types of people in here.... Lots of ways to express themselves... Some of them you can agree with or not...but you can find a way of seeing the same aspect differently....
Your best video yet! Masterpiece.
Thanks 🙏
Thanks for advocating a balance here. History is full of the mistakes of one extreme or the other. Good job! :)
Balance does not mean 50/50. I'd argue that a good balance would be closer to 80/20 if not more extreme even, intrinsicism taking priority. You matter to yourself the most but since you live with other people in society, you have an extra perspective to pay attention to. If you go and look at who are some of the happiest people around, you'll find them to be more inclined intrinsically in a super majority of cases.
2:00, 3:42 Nice ending. The elaboration of opposites! :)
When I was in my twenties/thirties definitely society but forties and now fifties my heart as I learnt happiness is the only real answer.
Very helpful video. Appreciate the work!
I deeply sympathize with Mira....
I was hoping they would end up together , and they DID!
This is such a good video....chef's kiss
I listen to my heart and use society to get what I want in life
Well that's story of my life in less than 5 minutes.
I was actually extrinsic motivated perhaps till 14 or maybe over 16, but when I went to college I had a little conversation with me and here I'm.. Studying what I mostly desire and dealing with my society happily.
By the way I would love to say thank you, Sprouts for this content.💙
As a new parent this was great
Amazing!!!
Besides motivation being intrinsic or extrinsic, it call also be positive or negative. Both negative intrinsic and negative extrinsic motivation can affect self-esteem. In the case of Tom getting no feedback from his parents when younger, this is effectively negative motivation, for example. There is a saying that goes "the beatings will stop when morale improves!"
I have learn that you can do what u love but u have to give up a little of freedom to make a living. Follow some unwritten rules of lives is needed to survive in this world but if u wanna feel happy u need do the things that you enjoy, not matter how childish, foolish, or crazy others can see them. Just don't let them take control of your life.
I was the 2end girl😊 I was alone and as everything has been choosen for me by others I could never learn how to impose my opinion and choose
Thank you so much. This is the best video i have seen that year so far.
Wow, thank you!
I've been motivated extrinsically till I was 15. Then something went wrong and I start questioning everything and eventually my grades got down. Now I'm following my heart. It's at times satisfying but out of my parents
expectation. Pretty much lost and pretty much motivated to explore. Which category do I belong?
Intrinsic now
This is great! Thanks for the video!
What application do you use for this?
Finally after sooooooooo long man!!!! ❤
I thought you should have introduced the 3rd kid so you could show it with a balance of encouragement from parents and yet not going overboard….then I kept listening & see that you did & I like your ending….all about balance! 😊
Thanks ☺️
Literally my dilemma right now. My life summed up in 5mins. So what should be the right thing to do?
This video is so thought provoking but what can one do if they have somewhat grown up like Mira and are clueless about their interests and future? It's not like they have the same amount of time to explore and have Tom's childhood with some genuine feedback again.
You took the words out of my mouth. I wonder the same thing and I need an answer because basically I am Mira
Which software do you use to create the artwork? I really love the progression effect of the drawings.
Excellent coverage of the topic.
And thank you for all your efforts
if you learn do what you have to today , tomorrow you'll be able to do whatever and however you want...LEARN TO ENJOY LEARNING AND YOUR LIFE WILL NEVER BE BORING...SOCIETY IS JUST A GAME, TO TAKE YOUR ATTENTION OFF THE OBJECTIVE ...ATTENTION PAYS THOSE WHO PAY ATTENTION..not tuition lmao
I'll tell my kids do your best or try or try your best, you don't have to be the best or top of the class or have amazing grades, you can have from really good to good to average grades or whatever and it'll be cool
Informative
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now my life makes much more sense!
Thanks for the review
it's sooo underrated !
May I ask which app or website can make this kind of video, plz?
Thanks for all the content!
Glad you like it, Cody Mao!
I am in this situation now.. Inshallah i can listen to myself
In Plato's Republic, Glaucon asks Socrates if Justice is a primary good or a secondary good. Something we do to keep the world just (extrinsic), else it is because it improves us and therefore our life outcome (intrinsic).
Then Thrasymachus made an all too post modernist argument that the idea of justice is a tool the oppressors use to manipulate the oppressed into thinking their oppression is just.
I suspect these ideas, and subcategories of them, have been debated for longer than most of us think.
Hooray!
Is there anyone who knows about the background music in this video. If yes, then could you please share the details. Thank you so much in advance. 🙏🏻
Check the descriptions or email us ;)
I listen to my heart, but I know how to appear to adapt to situations that societal “normalcy”.
How do you download your videos?
Good info but in life nothing is just black and white (orange or red). In this case happiness is between the shades of orange and red. That's like hundreds of shade. TC out of my recommendations!
Sir please make a video on paradigm
And how one can change then please 🙏🙏🙏
Iam trying hard for some extrinsic motivation as I have very few people who are close to me. Intrinsic is very easy and I always have it.
I relate so much to Tom, still, I don't find not fitting into society bad.
Mira being every asian kid ever😭
I don't believe this individuals dont find task's either inherintly or intrinsically motivating,
I think intrinsic motivators are more like Maslow's heirarchy of needs.
Meanwhile extrinsic motivators provide value to the ones around you.
What happend is Tom completly disregards his psychological needs
dilludes himself into getting esteem from selfish tasks which only build softskills.
Mira neglects her basic needs (mostly rest) and saftey needs (never feels secure)
pushing herself too far to please others thinking she can achieve anything she puts
her mind to.
The idea that we acomplish tasks via intrinsic/extrinsic motivation is more like:
Tom sees somone that is great at something reciving external reward, believes
he can get 'that good'. He does that task irregardless of external motivation as
if he has reached that skill level: its as if he recived them rewards - giving him a feeling of
faux self esteem. However he neglects his psychological needs as noone actually shows
him love / gives him a sense of acomplishment. Thinking when im 'X' good ill do this
or that.
Mira knows that people will reward her if she acomplishes x or y so she does all
she can to execute it and for them to notice. Sacrificing her basic needs for physilogical
needs. Thinking i can rest later ill be safe later.
Tom ends up selfish and mira ends up selfless.
So if maybe we just make sure our basic needs
are met and we do all we can to enrich the lifes
of others in the left over time weyll be fine, meeting our full potential.
Totally relates to me....but not very intelligent
Amazing work from the team......
Which software do u use for animation?
Can u also please bring back the male voice this is also awesome
My heart
can you please bring back male voice it was awesome