She's really good, but her potential in competition is lacking because her gimmick is good, but it's still a gimmick. Ragavan and Yuriko have the benefit of a running start ahead of opponents, so if you play stacks, it's usually after you're already in a position to keep beating an opponent for more resources like they're a brick in Mario. She's coming down a little too late for that unless you play rituals and early-game swarm tactics to get the most benefit from her. Revel in Riches is likely her alt-win condition, but I love chucking her in Vihaan and snowballing an armada to make more bodies while using the opponent's resources. She is powerful, though, just too balanced from mana cost and needing more haste or a way to do things herself.
That bit about people getting frustrated over stax is so true. It blows my mind how a table of presumably grown adults can turn into a nursery of whining children because you won't let them draw their deck and run roughshod over the table. And everybody always thinks they are going to be the winner when they get rid of your stuff only to have someone else who had waited patiently snatch victory from them. Stax is a deck for a gentleman's game, but cEDH is for babies.
@@rubyyrare I'm telling you, I sat at a tournament table with Rograkh/Silas and watched people get mad that I had Drannith Magistrate to prevent their combo win. Instead of playing under the stax to gain advantage for when it was eventually removed, the game immediately became a rush to tear apart my board. Two rounds played out exactly like that, and one would have if I didn't have every perfect answer under the sun. cEDH players have a totally unearned reputation as these giga-brained intellectuals, but they are just as petty as everybody else when you change the game paradigm.
@@MasterDecoy1W There's a lot of bad cedh players out there. I definitely agree just because you are playing "cedh" doesn't mean players will play anywhere close to optimally.
Even at regular edh tables I find a lot of people are not really playing an interactive game but rather a race to see who combos off first. They get upset when significant control elements come to town.
I surprises me you didn't mention Praetor's Grasp. I been playtesting her since she was spoiled. Basically you don't need A+B . Just grasp and run the other bits such pact, consul, LED and etc. Odds are that someone in the pod will be running one of those common lines are really high. By any means she is not a game changer and she is better in the 99 imo.
Not really. Unless you just mean that they both can produce treasures. Ragavan’s explosiveness is from being 1cmc and in addition to making the treasure on impact, allows a spell to be cast. This card costs 4cmc, and only produces a treasure and some deathtouch enabling. It’s a great flavor card, and is. Fun for the moment while it’s fresh and new.. but it’s no Ragavan, and at 4cmc it won’t last more than a couple of months before folks go back to better options as mono-black commander. At this moment, Sheoldred herself in the command zone is more competitive than Rev at the same cmc. The main thing Rev and Ragavan have in common is that they’re both boltable.
It could and maybe should be in there. But I have found it a bit slow and expensive, personally. Also this is one again not a commander that draws cards from its own deck. I guess the best option is to get tutors from opponents deck, but that is a bit random.
i disagree with this commander being "all that good." literally a worse version of Gonti, Lord of luxury. Players are going to interact with you the most because you would be stopping them from PLAYING THE GAME. Also, players do not like their cards being exiled for another player to be able to cast. Also, if somehow you exile an Eternal Scourge, Squee the Immortal, or Misthollow Griffon, the player can cast that spell the same as you. Reason why people don't play Paco and Haldan is because Paco exiles from everyone's deck. in a singleton format, loosing "that one card" could mean the difference between winning the game or losing the game. Unless your game strat is "flood board with tokens" or "voltron" which is why those strats are so powerful and Paco is both doing what this commander wants to do and "voltron" without "voltron."
She's really good, but her potential in competition is lacking because her gimmick is good, but it's still a gimmick. Ragavan and Yuriko have the benefit of a running start ahead of opponents, so if you play stacks, it's usually after you're already in a position to keep beating an opponent for more resources like they're a brick in Mario. She's coming down a little too late for that unless you play rituals and early-game swarm tactics to get the most benefit from her. Revel in Riches is likely her alt-win condition, but I love chucking her in Vihaan and snowballing an armada to make more bodies while using the opponent's resources. She is powerful, though, just too balanced from mana cost and needing more haste or a way to do things herself.
That bit about people getting frustrated over stax is so true. It blows my mind how a table of presumably grown adults can turn into a nursery of whining children because you won't let them draw their deck and run roughshod over the table. And everybody always thinks they are going to be the winner when they get rid of your stuff only to have someone else who had waited patiently snatch victory from them. Stax is a deck for a gentleman's game, but cEDH is for babies.
you have it wrong at the end there, most cedh tables are fine with stax. you're thinking higher power casual.
@@rubyyrare I'm telling you, I sat at a tournament table with Rograkh/Silas and watched people get mad that I had Drannith Magistrate to prevent their combo win. Instead of playing under the stax to gain advantage for when it was eventually removed, the game immediately became a rush to tear apart my board. Two rounds played out exactly like that, and one would have if I didn't have every perfect answer under the sun. cEDH players have a totally unearned reputation as these giga-brained intellectuals, but they are just as petty as everybody else when you change the game paradigm.
@@MasterDecoy1W There's a lot of bad cedh players out there. I definitely agree just because you are playing "cedh" doesn't mean players will play anywhere close to optimally.
Even at regular edh tables I find a lot of people are not really playing an interactive game but rather a race to see who combos off first. They get upset when significant control elements come to town.
i feel like Rev is better in the 99 of Yuriko than as a commander. it just doesnt offer enough value for the reduction in colors.
I would agree. But still some people wanna build this even if it suboptimal.
Ive found her stronger in the 99 for evereth. Crazy when you combine her with more of the ragavan type effects with evereth
I have heard that a lot of players want her in the 99. I will say maybe sure.
I surprises me you didn't mention Praetor's Grasp. I been playtesting her since she was spoiled. Basically you don't need A+B . Just grasp and run the other bits such pact, consul, LED and etc.
Odds are that someone in the pod will be running one of those common lines are really high.
By any means she is not a game changer and she is better in the 99 imo.
It is in the list but no I didn't meantion it. Feels quite autoincluded in my opinion.
Isn't Rev just a different version of Ragavan?
Not really. Unless you just mean that they both can produce treasures.
Ragavan’s explosiveness is from being 1cmc and in addition to making the treasure on impact, allows a spell to be cast.
This card costs 4cmc, and only produces a treasure and some deathtouch enabling. It’s a great flavor card, and is. Fun for the moment while it’s fresh and new.. but it’s no Ragavan, and at 4cmc it won’t last more than a couple of months before folks go back to better options as mono-black commander.
At this moment, Sheoldred herself in the command zone is more competitive than Rev at the same cmc.
The main thing Rev and Ragavan have in common is that they’re both boltable.
@remy333 well both produce treasures and steal cards, but I am mostly agreeing that Rev is unexciting for cedh play
They are close to the exact same but Rev is an more expensive version. But close to identikal.
@@cedhtv that cost diff is huge though. Puts them in entirely different galaxies. Feature-wise, I guess. 🤷♂️
What do you think of Onyx + chain of smog combo?
It could and maybe should be in there. But I have found it a bit slow and expensive, personally. Also this is one again not a commander that draws cards from its own deck. I guess the best option is to get tutors from opponents deck, but that is a bit random.
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Rug of smothering maybe? Its a body and can stop people storming. Also pressures life totals
yeah I forgot about that one. Thanks.
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She is? I didn't know that.
i disagree with this commander being "all that good." literally a worse version of Gonti, Lord of luxury. Players are going to interact with you the most because you would be stopping them from PLAYING THE GAME. Also, players do not like their cards being exiled for another player to be able to cast. Also, if somehow you exile an Eternal Scourge, Squee the Immortal, or Misthollow Griffon, the player can cast that spell the same as you. Reason why people don't play Paco and Haldan is because Paco exiles from everyone's deck. in a singleton format, loosing "that one card" could mean the difference between winning the game or losing the game. Unless your game strat is "flood board with tokens" or "voltron" which is why those strats are so powerful and Paco is both doing what this commander wants to do and "voltron" without "voltron."
Gonti is quite weak tho. I really think this is better then gonti. That commander demands a lot of set up, this dosen't demand the same amount.