Really excellent video. Good clear speaking and pacing. Great camera angles. I’m impressed. Gave me the confidence to take out a huge cane in my rose bush.
Great advice in this vid, JUST what I was looking for. I bought a house and inherited several neglected roses. Probs not pruned in 10+ years. Problem is, they were JUST one barky old branch, with poor growth up top. My thinking is, the roots must be REALLY good. So I guess I will have to wait until I get SOME new growth at the base, and let that get going, before I lop off the old mono branch.
Thank you! Exactly the information I needed. Some of our roses have one or 2 old canes that are still prolific. Hoping for new canes before the old ones croak. Haven't seen new canes sprout in a year or so. Do we just wait or what measures can we take to save these decade+ rose bushes? Thanks again!
It's September here in warm SoCal, and removing an old cane here and there seemed just right yesterday. Good to know I wasn't breaking any hard and fast rules. Very helpful to understand why it's important not to get too aggressive with it in the Fall. Thank you.
I have a very old rose bush/shrub. I am not even sure what it is called; however, they are very common in my area. I see them everywhere, mostly in established/older gardens. It has NEVER been pruned or looked after. It is part of the landscape where we built our new home. Still blooms & is 8 ft tall. Question....should I take out one of the oldest canes each year. There is new growth as illistrated in your video:) Thanks. Oh....I am in zone 5B-6. Nova Scotia, Cape Breton, CANADA.
Hi thank you for this video! I purchased a house 4 years ago and i have a sterling silver hybrid its very very old. It is over 8ft tall. It has all old canes about 6 of them and they are all wood to about 5ft tall.. what method would you advise to get this rose under control?? We live in Vancouver Canada so very mild weather.
I would take out one old cane this year and then wait to see if more new growth comes up. If it does take out another next year but if it doesn't wait a year. A rose that old, and that established might be shocked a bit if too much is taken out at once. Go slow and trust your gardener's instincts.
Paul, I have some canes on my hybrid tea roses, some that have maybe a cane borers hole, and some stems that just don't look very healthy, any suggestions, or do you have a video on this? Thank you, John, from Indiana
I don't have a video but cut down the cane in short lengths (like an inch or so) until you come to a part with a clean white center. That's the the healthy part. Seal the tip with something like Elmers Glue and that should take care of it.
I have a two year old rose that bloomed very well this spring. It has now sent up two very large basal breaks above the rest of the shrub. They are well above the basic shape of the rose. Do I leave them because they are new growth? Can I prune them down in June so that they match the height of the shrub better?? TIA!!
Thank you for the video. I overtook a garden with two old roses. One looks about 40 years old, the other around 20 (judging from the thickness of the base and the woody bark). They are both straight growing roses and grow quite tall (more than 2 meters). Each rose has only two canes, each cane starts dividing a good meter above the ground. Should I also proceed as you explain with the bush rose and prune one old cane at a time all the way to the ground?
Someone asked me for a cutting of a rose I have. It had a perfect 4' mounded shape and chock full of roses. I wasn't going to be home for a few days so I told him he could take a few for himself. Unfortunately for me, I didn't realize that he didn't really know anything about roses and wanted the cuttings for his wife. When I got home after my trip my rose looked butchered. It was lopsided (whereas before it was a perfect 4' mound) and he had cut the stems almost all the way to the ground beyond the last leaf axle. As a result, the rose, from the front, looks like it has huge indents in it. I really can't believe he did this with such little care about the time and effort I took in growing this rose into this shape over the last 3 years. My questions are what can I do to balance the rose out now. Should I cut the other stems in front to try to eliminate those indents? Should I cut to the ground the stubs he left behind? And, will the plant send up new stems from the root into the front of the plant (where the indents are) if I don't cut the other stems in front?
Wow! I'm so sorry to hear that. Any stubs I'd cut down to the ground. That will encourage new growth. You can cut the other stems in front some but after what you friend did I would not do much extreme and further shock the rose. Let it grow out this year and then when you do your winter pruning that is when you can cut harder to try and get some shape back into the plant.
Is the rose grafted or own-root. If you are not sure the name of the rose and where you bought it will help. If the rose is grafted and the growth is coming from below the bud union then it's rootstock and not the rose you purchased so cutting won't help. If it's own root you are going to be okay.
Now what about a seriously overgrown shrub rose bush? I recently moved and as a result inherited several shrub type rose bushes, not sure specific breed but definitely seems to be a shrub type. One rose is well over 6 feet tall and has several canes that are barked over. In fact most of the canes are. I live in West Texas, so it doesn’t get super cold, would it be safe to remove one or even two of the old canes now or should I wait until the spring?
Based on where you live I would remove one old now and then see how the rose reacts in spring. If by this time next year it has put out more new canes you can remove another old one.
Thank you for your video. I have rose cane borers and am wondering how far down it is okay to cut and at what point it will kill the plant? How can you tell how much is too much? Also I am in Central Florida - there should be a freeze coming up in a few weeks but they don't usually get below 20 except once or twice a season. If you have to cut the cane to get the rose borers out, and have no way around it, is there a way to protect the plant from freezing? We look good for the next ten days or so, shouldn't have any freezes in that time. we do get 30-32 every month or so.
The best thing to do is simply start cutting down about an inch at a time. Once you reach an area where there is no longer a "tunnel" in the middle of the cane you've gone far enough. You won't get cold long enough to worry about freezing. What I would advise is after you've cut the cane get some pruning sealant (your local nursery will have one) and put it on the end of the cane to discourage more borers.
Thank you! Hey is it ok to ask a few more questions? 1) Is there anything more natural or safe that can be used for recurring black spot? 2) Originally I planted these way too close together because they were really small. Now the knockout rose is 4' tall and the surrounding three roses (different varieties) are 1.5' 2.5 feet tall. They are only about 2' from each other. I wanted to replant the smaller ones out a bit to give them some space. It is better to do that now, in January? Or wait until spring? Although it's almost always spring, here. Also, is it best to wait after cutting out the rose borers, if it ends up being cut way back, rather than stress it further? Thank you! My roses thank you too!
1) copper based products are quite safe and work very well. 2) Now is a fine time to do it. 3) I would cut out the rose borers and then move it. Quite honestly cutting it back will help it survive the transplant.
@@Paulzimmermanroses Thanks for the reply. It's very daunting, the plant would just be a 2inch diameter stump. I'd like to do it, for it to regrow in a more shapely fashion. Or so I can cut the roses down to just above ground level every autumn. Unfortunately an old rose has black spot and has now spread to two other roses near by. I've cut it down. Went out and bought fungal spray, need to de leaf and mulch too.
@@Paulzimmermanroses cool, I don't have facebook but il use someone elses account that does. Thanks. Be interesting to know more about the specific type plants I got and what I can get away with. I'm airlayering a iceberg atm but darent cut it off in case it hasn't rooted, been on since autumn. Il send some pics across when I can
How can you tell the difference between a dead Rose cane and a live Rose cane my Rose of sharlot Rose looks like in died over the 2018 winder I live in michigan
Cut into it. If the center is white it's alive. If it's brown it's dead. Keep cutting down the cane until you come to white. If you never come to white likely the rose didn't survive.
Really excellent video. Good clear speaking and pacing. Great camera angles. I’m impressed. Gave me the confidence to take out a huge cane in my rose bush.
Glad it was helpful!
Great way of explaining so much so quickly. Thank you!
You're very welcome!
I'm love how you're in conversation with your roses and other plants!
They are good listeners!
Great advice in this vid, JUST what I was looking for. I bought a house and inherited several neglected roses. Probs not pruned in 10+ years. Problem is, they were JUST one barky old branch, with poor growth up top. My thinking is, the roots must be REALLY good. So I guess I will have to wait until I get SOME new growth at the base, and let that get going, before I lop off the old mono branch.
Yes, I would start doing some basic care and then when you see new growth lop of the old cane.
Thank you! Exactly the information I needed. Some of our roses have one or 2 old canes that are still prolific. Hoping for new canes before the old ones croak. Haven't seen new canes sprout in a year or so. Do we just wait or what measures can we take to save these decade+ rose bushes? Thanks again!
@@soleiloqui5835 New canes don't emerge every year so just be patient.
Thank you for taking the time to do this. Very helpful and informative and removed a lot of fear of killing my plant.
It's September here in warm SoCal, and removing an old cane here and there seemed just right yesterday. Good to know I wasn't breaking any hard and fast rules. Very helpful to understand why it's important not to get too aggressive with it in the Fall. Thank you.
You're welcome!
Does this apply to climbing & rambling roses as well? Thank you for great educational videos
Yes. Applies to both.
I have a very old rose bush/shrub. I am not even sure what it is called; however, they are very common in my area. I see them everywhere, mostly in established/older gardens. It has NEVER been pruned or looked after. It is part of the landscape where we built our new home. Still blooms & is 8 ft tall.
Question....should I take out one of the oldest canes each year. There is new growth as illistrated in your video:) Thanks.
Oh....I am in zone 5B-6. Nova Scotia, Cape Breton, CANADA.
Hi thank you for this video!
I purchased a house 4 years ago and i have a sterling silver hybrid its very very old. It is over 8ft tall. It has all old canes about 6 of them and they are all wood to about 5ft tall.. what method would you advise to get this rose under control?? We live in Vancouver Canada so very mild weather.
You might try cutting back 1 of them to about two feet or so to see how it responds. If it puts out fresh growth you can cut the others back as well.
Paul Zimmerman Roses thank you i will try that
Great explanation! Really helped this 1st timer.
I would take out one old cane this year and then wait to see if more new growth comes up. If it does take out another next year but if it doesn't wait a year. A rose that old, and that established might be shocked a bit if too much is taken out at once. Go slow and trust your gardener's instincts.
Paul, I have some canes on my hybrid tea roses, some that have maybe a cane borers hole, and some stems that just don't look very healthy, any suggestions, or do you have a video on this? Thank you, John, from Indiana
I don't have a video but cut down the cane in short lengths (like an inch or so) until you come to a part with a clean white center. That's the the healthy part. Seal the tip with something like Elmers Glue and that should take care of it.
@@Paulzimmermanroses Thank you, John
I have a two year old rose that bloomed very well this spring. It has now sent up two very large basal breaks above the rest of the shrub. They are well above the basic shape of the rose. Do I leave them because they are new growth? Can I prune them down in June so that they match the height of the shrub better?? TIA!!
You can prune them down to fit the rest of the bush.
Wow great vid thanks for the know how !
Thank you for the video. I overtook a garden with two old roses. One looks about 40 years old, the other around 20 (judging from the thickness of the base and the woody bark). They are both straight growing roses and grow quite tall (more than 2 meters). Each rose has only two canes, each cane starts dividing a good meter above the ground. Should I also proceed as you explain with the bush rose and prune one old cane at a time all the way to the ground?
I kinda have the same situation and questions, that's why I watch the video. Would be great to know how to proceed 🙏
I am down to one old cane that is not doing good but no growth like yours around it. Will cutting this cane promote growth of new canes?
Probably not. It might be time to replace it.
Someone asked me for a cutting of a rose I have. It had a perfect 4' mounded shape and chock full of roses. I wasn't going to be home for a few days so I told him he could take a few for himself. Unfortunately for me, I didn't realize that he didn't really know anything about roses and wanted the cuttings for his wife. When I got home after my trip my rose looked butchered. It was lopsided (whereas before it was a perfect 4' mound) and he had cut the stems almost all the way to the ground beyond the last leaf axle. As a result, the rose, from the front, looks like it has huge indents in it. I really can't believe he did this with such little care about the time and effort I took in growing this rose into this shape over the last 3 years. My questions are what can I do to balance the rose out now. Should I cut the other stems in front to try to eliminate those indents? Should I cut to the ground the stubs he left behind? And, will the plant send up new stems from the root into the front of the plant (where the indents are) if I don't cut the other stems in front?
Wow! I'm so sorry to hear that. Any stubs I'd cut down to the ground. That will encourage new growth. You can cut the other stems in front some but after what you friend did I would not do much extreme and further shock the rose. Let it grow out this year and then when you do your winter pruning that is when you can cut harder to try and get some shape back into the plant.
Thank you. I am feeling much better already.
how long to you have to dry them out before you can smoke them ?
Is the rose grafted or own-root. If you are not sure the name of the rose and where you bought it will help. If the rose is grafted and the growth is coming from below the bud union then it's rootstock and not the rose you purchased so cutting won't help. If it's own root you are going to be okay.
Now what about a seriously overgrown shrub rose bush? I recently moved and as a result inherited several shrub type rose bushes, not sure specific breed but definitely seems to be a shrub type. One rose is well over 6 feet tall and has several canes that are barked over. In fact most of the canes are. I live in West Texas, so it doesn’t get super cold, would it be safe to remove one or even two of the old canes now or should I wait until the spring?
Based on where you live I would remove one old now and then see how the rose reacts in spring. If by this time next year it has put out more new canes you can remove another old one.
Awesome, thank you so much!
Thank you for your video. I have rose cane borers and am wondering how far down it is okay to cut and at what point it will kill the plant? How can you tell how much is too much? Also I am in Central Florida - there should be a freeze coming up in a few weeks but they don't usually get below 20 except once or twice a season. If you have to cut the cane to get the rose borers out, and have no way around it, is there a way to protect the plant from freezing? We look good for the next ten days or so, shouldn't have any freezes in that time. we do get 30-32 every month or so.
The best thing to do is simply start cutting down about an inch at a time. Once you reach an area where there is no longer a "tunnel" in the middle of the cane you've gone far enough. You won't get cold long enough to worry about freezing. What I would advise is after you've cut the cane get some pruning sealant (your local nursery will have one) and put it on the end of the cane to discourage more borers.
Thank you! Hey is it ok to ask a few more questions?
1) Is there anything more natural or safe that can be used for recurring black spot?
2) Originally I planted these way too close together because they were really small. Now the knockout rose is 4' tall and the surrounding three roses (different varieties) are 1.5' 2.5 feet tall. They are only about 2' from each other. I wanted to replant the smaller ones out a bit to give them some space. It is better to do that now, in January? Or wait until spring? Although it's almost always spring, here.
Also, is it best to wait after cutting out the rose borers, if it ends up being cut way back, rather than stress it further?
Thank you! My roses thank you too!
1) copper based products are quite safe and work very well.
2) Now is a fine time to do it.
3) I would cut out the rose borers and then move it. Quite honestly cutting it back will help it survive the transplant.
Thank you Paul!!!! Is there any reason I should do it now instead of spring? Is one better than the other?
The rose is dormant now. Much easier for it to recover.
What if there is no younger shoots lower than the old wood?
Generally the younger shoots will appear after you cut out the old wood.
@@Paulzimmermanroses Thanks for the reply. It's very daunting, the plant would just be a 2inch diameter stump. I'd like to do it, for it to regrow in a more shapely fashion. Or so I can cut the roses down to just above ground level every autumn. Unfortunately an old rose has black spot and has now spread to two other roses near by. I've cut it down. Went out and bought fungal spray, need to de leaf and mulch too.
@@wiggledytoes Post some photos on my Facebook Discussion Group. Paul Zimmerman Roses Gardening. It would helpful to see it.
@@Paulzimmermanroses cool, I don't have facebook but il use someone elses account that does. Thanks. Be interesting to know more about the specific type plants I got and what I can get away with. I'm airlayering a iceberg atm but darent cut it off in case it hasn't rooted, been on since autumn. Il send some pics across when I can
@@wiggledytoes Great. Just search for the group and ask to join. Be sure to answer the questions. See you over there.
Glue or some kind of standard pruning sealer will work.
Thanks again🌸🌼🌹
You're welcome 😊
How can you tell the difference between a dead Rose cane and a live Rose cane my Rose of sharlot Rose looks like in died over the 2018 winder I live in michigan
Cut into it. If the center is white it's alive. If it's brown it's dead. Keep cutting down the cane until you come to white. If you never come to white likely the rose didn't survive.
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Can you move a rose after cutting an old cane or should you let it rest for a year?
You can move it.
@@Paulzimmermanroses thank you!
thank you, you helpd me
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Thank you!
Yeah! More rose lessons.
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