What Happens to Rich People Under Socialism?
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Lovely video, like always!
I’m doing well, hope you are as well! I really like your content. It feels like a dream though ever being free of capitalism.
socialism + meritocracy, the perfect combo
@SecondThought Hey dude, I have signed up for Nebula a while ago... but it doesn't have Thumbs Up, nor comment. What's up with that? 🤔
How will we bicker?
I disagree with the message of this video. If we want these rich cunts to stop exploiting us and raping our world... We must take it from them, they will not give it up without a fight. To quote Malcom X: "Tactics based solely on morality can only succeed when you are dealing with people who are moral or a system that is moral."
People always wonder what will happen to the rich under socialism. No one seems concerned with what happens to the poor under capitalism.
We are sometimes troubled when we hear how the poor die. We are conditioned every single day to not care how the poor live.
Well said!
Please remember rule 13.5b under chapter 18 of your capitalist rulebook: poor people are worthless and no one should care about them
Damn 😔
Damn
"Nothing happens to wealthy people except they become less wealthy."
Wealthy person- "Nope, that's a fate worse than death."
"Then perish" **soviet anthem blares**
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Consider how the wealthy react to the concept of estate taxes. They're literally already dead by the point that comes up, and they still value the money that their dead corpse has legal rights over more than the health of the society they left behind.
“They want to hunt me for sport?”
tbh I evil laugh when I think about the ultra wealthy living among the common people because they will get to see how much better the world is without them in power. Though if we remove the ultra wealthy from there positions we might have to actively protect them because someone will be out to kill them and them being killed wouldn't be the best thing for us even if they are enemies of the common people. For them that's still a kick in the ass.
I rarely get pushback when I say that the wealthy deserve healthcare, housing, education, personal identity, and freedom; the only time people disagree with me is when I say that the poor deserve the same
Who really pushes back against that?? You might need to find better framing or there's more to your message than just that lol
I often hear, “why should they?” “Why do they deserve x,y,z?” …and don’t get me wrong I get where they come from, they feel as if some others may feel entitled to greater livelihood or wealth etc. but until they put in the work to get there, it’s just that; self entitlement. But my whole thing is, the minute a human is born into the world they truly are entitled to a fair chance at a balanced life. Stability. Many options to choose from, and overall happiness and contentment.
I get that this world is a fallen world and is bound to bring struggle, especially with free will. Free will is a tricky one. Slippy slope if I may lol. Point is, regardless of the laws of natural existence determining that so long as you exist in this world you will struggle to some degree-I personally believe everyone should have an equal balance and experience of struggle. Currently, some folks biggest struggle or sorrow is they can’t close on a 1.2M deal, so they go back to their penthouse and wallow in their misery. Where someone else just down on the ground outside is struggling to obtain a decent place to call home. That’s what’s so bizarre to me and needs to change.
I think everyone deserves that problem if it's comes from taxes. There should be a way for government to fund that things like government make a company and the company get profit use it to pay for it
Dont cry man, they already do. The best hospitals money can pay just like any person like you and me 😂
@@danielt8727People that say “oh we don’t want to give handouts… they need to work for it” (even though we could establish a program to assign people to jobs that are needed). I guess the people who are against it are those that don’t like giving away their wealth (taxes) to others for “free”, since they are “lazy”.
Would be great to see an episode about adult children living with parents because wages are preventing them from renting a decent apartment.
😅
I'll star in it.
@@usuallyangry same
As a parent of a teenager, I am 100% preparing for this. He has no chance if we don’t help him come up with a realistic plan for after school. This notion of ‘kick your kids out when they’re 18’ is ludicrous. I expect him to work on his career, but my job as a parent is to provide support. It’s a different world than when I grew up.
"When you're accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression."
@@Ethanthevegan lol you have no idea what you're talking about
@@Ethanthevegannope, I’m equal opportunity for eating the rich
@@Ethantheveganisn’t that an indirect quote by Rousseau, written in a context that has very little correlation with antisemitism?
@@camirdma Of course there is the rich and then there is (((the rich))) and we gotta make sure folks don't conflate the two. Anti-Semitism definitely tends to rise when capitalism is failing. And it's deliberate, as it deflects attention away from the bourgeoisie and capitalism itself.
For example, a now-disgraced local political blamed "greedy Jewish landlords" for gentrification and some folks, presumably harmed by gentrification, saw nothing wrong with that statement as the landlords were, in fact, greedy and Jewish. But the reactionary propagandist city councilor intended to attribute their greed to being Jewish rather than being landlords.
@@Ethanthevegan
Kneel to extinction, human. Your entire species is a joke to your Makers. But God isn't here in ways that matters. Evil smiles and "it" controls your bloody species.
They'd go from absurdly, cartoonishly rich to just rich. But that's a hellish nightmare for them.
That’s because they aren’t very smart.
Insane that we exult these people to sainthood and they are idiots.
I remember seeing a quote from Jennifer Lopez when she was at the height of her absurd career and she said “I wake up every morning, afraid that I’m going to lose it all.”
Then may I suggest you use some of your hoarded resources to go see a psychiatrist because you are bat guano bananas. 🙄
What's more hellish is the loss of power removing the profit motive from the system. It's not that they're gonna miss those billions: they're gonna miss being able to live a lawless existence.
Same for the middle class where it's simply a nightmare that they may not be able to afford a new car this year or a second lavish foreign holiday
@@skyblazeeterno The middle class is not your enemy, they're trapped in this with us, it just hasn't hit them as hard yet.
@@CraigKeidel all that is needed is to wait until capitalism begins to strangle the middle class in favor of the rich, when the middle class becomes impoverished, mass movements will begin
Talking about rich and poor, when I was a kid, growing up in socialist Yugoslavia, my parents were working in a bank. Back then, there were laws that prohibited that the difference in income between highest paid person in a company, and a lowest income person was not to be more than 4:1. So, if a cleaning lady (let's say) makes 1.000 USD per month, a CEO can make no more than 4.000 USD. On the other hand, 1.000 USD was quite enough to make a living: pay the rent, bills, purchase food, clothing, and even leave some small amount on the side (my parents were getting 1.500 USD each month, and we went to the seaside each summer, and sometimes spend winters in some mountain lodge or something like that). Now this difference of 3.000 USD/month was enough that you could purchase a two bedroom flat each 2 years (around 60-70.000 USD per unit). So, if you are a CEO of a big company for 20 years (let us ignore 15 years of work to get to that position), you would be able to own 10 two bedroom flats by the time that you retire. And the cleaning lady could, maybe, purchase 1 flat. Now, of course, you were not allowed to own that much property, but it gives you an image to understand what were the "theoretical" differences in Socialist Yugoslavia.
I have to mention that Yugoslav socialism was nothing like USSR, or Chinese socialism, since in this model companies were owned by the workers working there, and not the state. They were actually shareholders of a company, and the company had freedom to decide what to produce, where to sell it, to determine the price etc. Of course, government did intervene, but there was much more economic freedom than in USSR.
The point of this is that even under socialist rule you can still make much more than some other participant in economy, but not billions times more. Yugoslav government was setting a limit on how much you can be rich. Some other democracies today regulate that with progressive tax. And in the end, is it really so important to own 3, or 5, or 10 billions more money than some poor sod working at you plant? Owning 10 times more is really high enough.
what if what the CEO does made the company make more than 4 times what the cleaning guy makes the company make, the CEO should then deserve more than 4 times what the cleaning guy earns
@@ender_z4nd3r83the ceo only makes the decisions. The workers are the ones doing all the work, thus the ceo doesnt deserve as much pay as he gets in a capitalist society.
@@ender_z4nd3r83
Workers are called WORKers for a reason. The credit should not only go to the individual who has the idea, but also to the people who run the idea. Otherwise, they'd just be running the standard issue bad practices of capitalism; putting profit above everything
Edit: And let's not pretend becoming the "cleaning guy" is a simple task.
@@iwansays I didn't say workers dont deserve recognition, and I know cleaning is not easy, I survived 2 years of my life by cleaning apartments 24/7
@@ender_z4nd3r83 This is the 'marginalist' theory of value and it is one of many 'theories of value' that Marxists reject. The labour theory of value, as originally posited by Adam Smith and expanded upon by Marx, determines that the value of a produced commodity as the socially necessary labour time it takes to produce them. In reality, 'value' cannot be quantified, and is only done so for trade purposes (exchange-value), and the only true values of a commodity are use-values (i.e. what a commodity is used for) and is a qualitative trait, not a quantitative one. The labour theory of value holds true when we observe statistics of the price of various goods and the total labour hours worked to produce and distribute them, only breaking from this trend on certain natural resources (oil/gas for example) that form natural monopolies, which can be explained by the Ricardian theory of rent.
Fico muito feliz de ver um RUclipsr tão expressivo falando honestamente sobre socialismo.
Bom dia, camarada!
Imagine only owning two mansions and one yacht.
The horror.
I'd be happy just to not feel disillusioned just by checking my bank account
landlords doing the hard decision to raise rent on a single mother with four mouth to feed so he can buy another yacht
The notion that ANYONE deserves to hoard resources when children are dying due to a lack of food, shelter and clean water is criminal.
These are the billionares though, what about the modern millionares? Won't it affect them much more(i.e standard of living). Since billionares can pretty much retain they're same lifestyle the life of milllionares are more to be impacted I think.
Ben Shapiro would never!! 😯😂😂
No guillotines? No mass trials? No gulag? Where's the fun in that?
lol yes
Do we have to kill the wealthy? Of course not,
it's about sending a message :3
We all know there's going to be some guillotines and gulags. He's just trying to reassure the rich people.
Yeah I'm out.
Man, I was hoping to remove them through, ahem, "the French" way.
This is a really important point and one that is particularly useful to your audience. A lot of socialists don't seem to really grapple with this concept very well as it's such an emotionally provocative topic. An unfortunate reality of RUclips is that a lot of content really only reaches those already converted, and it's just preaching to the choir. But this is a message that is equally valuable to both the left and the right, so it has more power to legitimately change minds.
This is something I've become concerned with as of late. We can't make any significant changes in order to solve the big problems (climate change, salt cycle destabilization, etc.) because nobody gets the same information. Since nobody gets the same information, nobody agrees. If nobody agrees, solutions are out of reach. And it's a result of these machine-learning algorithms designed to increase watch times, which drive profits for incredibly powerful tech companies. So how are we supposed to tear down these digital walls?
the problem is we are to affraid what would happen to rich people under socialism, that what is happening now with poor people in capitalism. There arethousands of people die each day of hunger and curable diseases just so that a few people can be filthy rich.
It should be noted that even the rich benefit HUGELY from more equal societies, as the world around them becomes significantly better (eg. lower crime, happier people, cleaner communities, etc). The reduction of desperation should be a PRIORITY for all.
Only narcissists (or those under their spell) would argue otherwise.
People like Putin shouldn’t be allowed to benefit though. That’s where violence is genuinely justified.
@@kingmannar69 Nonsense. They were either handed money from their parents or they exploited people to get where they are. The majority of wealthy people are not great innovators.
@@faustinpippin9208They most certainly are, as they frequently have to pass through it, hear about it, and worry about it bleeding into their spaces.
The rich don't care about that because their wealth isolates them from those problems. As in, they rarely even see people suffering from that.
@kingmannar69 emerald mine
Thing is, the oligarchs aren't going to give up their power without a vicious, underhand, and bloody fight against anyone trying to bring about change.
I was waiting for somebody to make this point. The 1% will unleash hell itself to hold onto power.
I'm surprised this comment doesn't have more upvotes
Like a kid with it's toy, they don't want to hand it back, even if it wouldn't be the end of the world for them, i think they may live just as much as us in the so called capital realism
Thing is, if enough people stand together they can do nothing about it.
@adomelka a few things they have done over the years: divide and rule, infiltration and internal sabotage, bribery and blackmail of leaders, smears and propaganda, fabricating crimes, subverting elections, proscribing groups or activies like protest, prison, violence, assassination.
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Hey SecondTh, there is an incredibly important topic that has barely been covered by the media lately. It's called project 2025. Most people don't know anything about it but this project, if succeeds could restructure the entirety of America and shift power into the Republican party. America would change as we know it. I'd love to see your take on this, as well as explain it better because right now it's hard to actually understand the situation and what the project is.
This project could be absolutely devastating to America and it's democracy and yet barely anyone knows it exists.
When people think they are fighting for their country, but they actually doing all that for the rich and greedy politician😭
You’re dead on! Just about every war has been about rich people asserting their power. They sit out of harm’s way and come out of it even richer! In the US it’s been happening since the Mayflower landed, they forced the Poor to go west and fight the Native Americans with the promise that they too could own land. The rich sat on their asses until the coast was clear and then moved in and hustled the poor uneducated out of their gains. Then they just kept repeating the process.
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@@jcgongavoe337 you’re so insightful. Maybe you should write a book?
We eat them of course
Ewwwww
Do millionaires or billionaires taste better?
@@macomputersuckyes.
@@macomputersuckwe will find out. I have a feeling they all taste disgusting
@@macomputersuck Definitely billionaires, their a more exotic cuisine.
Socialism really just benefits society as a whole. It's unfathomable to me how anyone pushes back against it.
you probably also think that high schools and colleges should teach chemistry too 😂..
I push back against this because its capitalism, this guy is a social democrat and so are you
9:36 this part reminded me of a quote that lives very near the top of my mind, and i really wish i remember where i got it.
"A protest agreeable to the oppressor will not end oppression."
omg under socialism billionaires might have to pay for the consequences of their own actions 😱😭😰
Why do you think they loathe the idea of democratic socialism.
@@sophiepooks2174I understand what you're saying but remember socialism and democratic socialism are labeled as 2 different things. Like I said ik what you meant but democratic socialism is the "socialism" most of Europe functions under currently.
@@bavingates2502No, they're both socialism. What you mean is social democracy not Democratic socialism
@@bavingates2502Europe uses social democracy not democratic socialism. The state does not own the industry. Modern Europe is more of a New Deal offspring than socialism
That's social democracy. @@bavingates2502
What I fear is that in times of turmoil and revolution; the ruling class will do many horrible things to prevent it. Such as mobilized assault, unjust imprisonment, and more. These kind of acts may inspire more drastic measures and make people more willing to be violent. But overall I agree the key virtue and ideals socialism is that everyone gets their fair share and due.
They literally already do-the police, military, and PMC are all lackies of the capitalist class. The capitalists have sooooo much blood on their hands.
Oh totally, they'll show their true face.
They would deserve the retort in that case.
Aren't they doing that now? When companies have an argument, "Does curing cancer help us make a profit," to sicking the police, national guard, and military on protestors, they're showing ugly every day. The best way to prevent this is to get support from the police, military, and National Guard to see our side. When that happens, what "force" do the wealthy indeed have? Do you really expect Bezos and his billionaire/millionaire friends to fight us?
that is why almost every revolution had to be violent. The ones in power will not give it up easy. They will lobby, they will ban, and they will ultimately kill, in order for the status quo not to change.
5:50 - Completely neglecting how all his other associates were treated. He was only spared for politically motivated reasons by his successors. He was also given highly preferential treatment in terms of the roles he was given and where he was allowed to live compared to the rest of the population.
Thank you for making and posting this.
I mean, "nothing will happen" is kind of incorrect because if rich people were held financially responsible for their mistakes they would very quickly become very very poor people...
I mean. They'd go from billionaires to millionaires and still be fine. I wouldn't know what to do if I made a 100 million a year let alone a billion
Probably would not go that far, chances are their assets would more than cover for their transgressions, after all most of them have plenty of skeletons in their closets and in order to compensate, they have funds squirreled away just in case they are exposed.
A stupid thing really, they could just use those funds to clean up their act but no... They would prefer to keep the money and only spend it when there is no other choice.
define "poor", if you mean not a billionaire anymore then yes, but if you mean they won't be able to afford living then no. Everyone gets a relatively equal size of the pie and nobody gets to take 90% of the pie
This is the thing tho. Most rich peoples mistakes can be financially tied to corporate institutions meaning those institutions will pay for the mistakes minimizing the overall personal responsibility one person or a family may have to bear.
While going from a few billion (or dozens of billions) in assets to a few million might SEEM like becoming poor to them, the current ultra wealthy would still end up with relatively more than the rest of us, even with asset redistribution. While they may not have liquid billions, billionaires have enough liquidity to live a few lifetimes over if all of their assets disappear.
As some bloke once said: “The very concept of "revolutionary violence" is somewhat falsely cast, since most of the violence comes from those who attempt to prevent reform, not from those struggling for reform. By focusing on the violent rebellions of the downtrodden, we overlook the much greater repressive force and violence utilized by the ruling oligarchs to maintain the status quo, including armed attacks against peaceful demonstrations, mass arrests, torture, destruction of opposition organizations, suppression of dissident publications, death squad assassinations, the extermination of whole villages, and the like.”
those who make peaceful revolution impossible make violent revolution inevitable - JFK (which is ironic)
In Colombia they murdered thousands of people of a whole leftist party (Unión Patriótica) in the 80s-90s and in Indonesia in the 60s with the help of the US they murdered between 500,000 and 1 million leftists. It clearly shows socialists have an interest in preserving human rights
Excellent video! Informative and captivating!
Insane how quickly this guy went from a science channel, to a socialist political channel, to just straight up justifying and openly celebrating the massacre of civilians by Hamas on twitter.
Fucking for real
The bottom line is that Frederick Douglass was exactly right when he told us that "power concedes nothing without a demand".
Violence is the sole prerogative of power, and the powerful will always resort to it when threatened with the real or perceived loss of power. It doesn't matter which brand of power is in charge because power is all that matters to the powerful.
Funnily enough, the transition to capitalism was not bloody and didn't involve anything more than institutional changes in governance and the introduction of a market economy. In fact, it was probably the most peaceful and natural transition of human society in history, which may contribute to why we still live under capitalism many hundreds of years later.
This channel, which aligns itselfwith Marxism-Lenninism (the Bolsheviks, infamous for overthrowing a democratic election and going on a killing spree to gain and maintain their power) advocates for the exact conditions highlighted in this video: police violence, artificial poverty, imperial wars, and hierarchical structures in society. Conveniently, he phrases his arguments as "socialism doesn't involve regularly killing rich people" but omits that it is necessary for a Marxist-Lenninist socialist revolution.
He never goes into specific details on what his idea of a socialist system would actually address and replace the issues that capitalism does currently. On a global scale, there is not enough resources for everyone to share. And in the West, where we do live in post-scarcity for many resources, the biggest issue that capitalism addresses is that of distribution, which may also be why Amazon is so profitable.
The revolution he advocates for definitely will be a bloody one, but who is to say what will happen after that revolution? Will we have a Stalin, a Mao, a Pol Pot ruling us?
Edit: Read 'The Origin of Capitalism' by Ellen Meiksins Wood. She is a marxist but details a critical look into the malignant growth and spread of capitalism.
Check out this lecture series on pre-industrial society and the economic transition into the industrial revolution. The man behind these lectures is a capitalist economist but most of the points he ends up making advocates against our current economic model: ruclips.net/p/PL_w_qWAQZtAYqD1KnrMdZ5vpxyNUlq_rr
Just because I am critical of grifters and misinformation doesn't mean I am not a socialist, and yet to Marxism-Leninists, I may as well be Thatcher. If you want to replace capitalism, you must replace the necessity of human labour and provide strong social welfare.
@@t.7124 If you mean feudalism evolving into capitalism, then it's nothing similar to capitalism transitioning to capitalism. Many western countries still have nobles and monarchs, why is that? Because capitalism is not a polar opposite of feudalism, it merely add a option for people to become the ruling class without limiting them to bloodline. Nobles and monarchs still keep their power because they're already rich, so they persisted because they're already a proto-capitalist before the transition (don't you know that Saudi and UK royal families, for example, own many businesses?). So of course transitioning from feudalism into capitalism is relatively peaceful because it doesn't threaten the ruling class, and that's why western powers traditionally supported monarchies during the Cold War.
Hence, the empty promises of Supply-Side Economics.
@@mickeyg7219But wasn't the transition from feudalism to capitalism during Cromwell's time violent? What about the transition in France? The transition from monarchical absolutism to the republic was generally bloody
@@vladdumitrica849 Yes, but make no mistake, anti-monarchism is not a mandatory aspect of capitalism. We know UK eventually returned to monarchism, but it's still capitalist. Also, French Revolution have a strong working class radicalism in it, which is why there's another revolution about a century later. Republicanism predated capitalism and is a whole different concept, it's wrong to equate both as one and the same. Capitalism can and do thrive under monarchy.
When I went to Cuba earlier this year, I went on a tour through a neighborhood full of mansions. My tour guide said this is where rich people used to live under the former dictatorship. I asked what happened to them after the revolution? Were they thrown out of their homes? I was told of course not. Everyone kept their homes. If they left the country, their servants were given the home.
Mansions are usually owned by the government hierarchy, replace one with the other.
How does one go on this tour?
*Cubans from Miami are typing away in the chat*
@@alexmorrison3442 best bet is when you reserve an Airbnb in Havana, tell your host you want a walking tour and a driving tour. They will arrange it. They all have connections like that. Driving tours are even easier to find. Pick the classic car of your choice and negotiate a price.
@AssBlasster "opinions from minorities living in USA don't matter, unless they put X after Latin" -Americans.
Nice video JT. Totally needed.
Speaking from the other side (hi downvotes), I can say the beginning of me returning to socialist thinking is definitely not feeling like I'm going to beheaded for participating or even being "good" at capitalism. I'd be curious to hear an extended cut of what the transition to socialism looks like for you, perhaps including various options and degrees? more stages? maybe new versions of market socialism?
So the thing with socialism is it's rooted in materialist thought. That means that each iteration of socialism will both transition and look very different because of the material conditions of the people and the state.
I heard somebody put it perfectly in a video recently. In response to somebody posing this as a challenge, he said something along the lines of, "when we say eat the rich, we are not talking about people with a big house or a fancy car. We're not talking about people who have a few million dollars. You can't even comprehend how much even one billion is. You wish you were who we are referring to when we say eat the rich".
In reality, people who ask these questions, are, like the rest of us, closer to poverty than they are being a billionaire. Then again, it does make that Steinbeck quote about socialism not taking route in America due to people viewing themselves not as an oppressed class but as temporarily embarrassed billionaires.
You're right, but our family mill and home was still taken away. There's reason to be wary and dangers in the ambiguity, so this stuff needs to be discussed more.
A functional socialist society has always sounded as a much more ethical world to live in. Capitalism has proven time and time again that it does not work for most of us in the long run, hell even the people on the top have everything but at the same time they have not learned a damn thing.
@aluisious I mean, the prize for them is living vicariously as they watch others ☠️ while on their yacht yachts and ISS escape pod. Then write a long winded sympathy note they'll call "History".
It's not cancer, it's stage 4 cancer!
@@cberg2655484Oh my... What would be a "True capitalist society" in your eyes?
Capitalism has seen an unprecedented, dramatic rise in quality of life, education and political rights. It has _absolutely_ worked out well for most people across the world.
@@Greatkingrat88 > Raise in quality of life
For a few people, the rest be damned.
> Education
Student debt says otherwise.
> and political rights
..... No??? Political rights were born because of fierce *opposition* to the then capitalist status quo. A compromise in spite of capitalism doesn't make those rights "Thanks" to it, quite the opposite.
The Rich become richer under Socialism!
I have to admit since finding your channel I have been tantalized, but after this video, I am intrigued, please continue and hopefully, you can provide direction to ensure you are putting your best foot forward and providing proof against the negative stream as if so, this is what I believe our society should be working towards for all.
Oh, they'll receive the most imhumane treatment!
They will be limited to a two bedroom apartment, have to work a normal job and will even have to take public transport! It'll be atrocious!
So basically still better than my life😂
Good. They'll know what it's like to be less materialistic and back to where they came from.
@@poenpotzu2865precisely, except you’ll have all that too by default 🤣
@@poenpotzu2865 The good news is that you're getting the same if you don't have it already! :)
@@oneofthegoodonesokThey come the Hamptons.
It's pure sociopathy to NOT want the world around you to be a better place, even if it doesn't benefit you. Because, fun fact, when everyone does well, EVERYONE does well!
Great stuff! Keep it up. Proud of ya!
They wont accept It, Billionaire's worst nightmare is to be one of us
A nitpick: the one who became member of the Chinese National People's Congress wasn't Puyi but his younger brother Puchie. Puyi became a contemporary historian, writing books about late Imperial and post-Imperial China, including an auto-biography called "The Last Emperor" (which is a must-read for anyone interested on the China of the era).
i’m assuming you mean Pujie?
@@billyma6Yes, in my version of Puyi's memoirs his name was transcripted as Puchie.
@@podemosurss8316 I think the only thing wrong he said is that Puyi didn’t had any power at all when he became emperor, first he was a child and that when he became old enough the Dinasty is already dead
@@RoanShip Yeah, there was a Regency under his father and the late Emperor's Queen Consort, which surrended in 1912 to the revolutionaries. It was a mess. Puyi tries to explain things a bit in his memoirs.
@@podemosurss8316 they made a film about him, which was more of a “showing pity of Puyi” cause he had everything since as a child and then had to learn everything such as tying shoes and putting on clothes, also he was the only emperor to have to pay to go to his house
Honestly, I think the rich would prefer die, because becoming a worker is a fate worse than death for this kind of people
They'll use half their wealth to keep the other half theirs.
The only "peaceful" way is to make their money worthless, so they can keep the money, but not the power or influence.
They'll still get so mad they'll shit their pants, but they won't be able to do anything about it with worthless Weimar bucks.
Finally! A wish from the rich I am willing to grant.
Most billionaires worked their way up to that wealth by working harder and longer hours than your lazy ass, who has no ambition to take any risks. I do agree that the rich are often corrupt, but to say that they are lazy is stupid@@Praisethesunson
Nooooo i need to spend a billion dollars so I can eat dinner in space instead of using my money on something useless like “saving the planet”
nothing a trip to a reeducation camp in Siberia cannot fix
Speaking of things happening to people: I can't find you on Nebula anymore, what happened?
Nebula creators demanded JT "both sides" ethnic cleansing and apartheid. That company should go down in flames, they are defeating the entire purpose they made and marketed it to begin with.
Really enjoy your videos! Sad that it is only available in english. I feel this type of high quality content would be very helpful in many, if not all countries!
Greetings from Germany 🙌
If at some point there is any powerful socialist presence in the US at all it would always be met with violent suppression. Weve seen that time and time again in the past. Any conflict that ends with a principled socialist government in charge implies billionaires and corporations having been suppressed.
Yep, Allende tried the fully peaceful approach. The revolution, even if achieved democratically, has to be defended against counterrevolution.
In the long run it won't matter, we die or we win the billionaires will always loose because in the end we will be free one way or another. Should they salt the earth and bring this world to ruin they will be the last to survive and they will come to terms with their crimes as they starve on a world they destroyed. We will all be smiling six feet under whilst they learn the true meaning of agony and suffering.
It will be all their fault.
The only suppression should be making sure billionaires have no access to the systems they used to stay in power. If they don't have access to exorbitant wealth they have no power. They might still have fame and connections they could use to get things done though, not sure how to tackle that issue
Yup, I disagree with this message of this video. If we want these rich cunts to stop exploiting us and raping our world. We must take it from them, they will not give it up without a fight. To quote Malcom X: "Tactics based solely on morality can only succeed when you are dealing with people who are moral or a system that is moral."
@@KarlSnarks study socialist history, dozens of movements have had to deal with these exact problems and much of that conflict is documented
I agree that bonking billionaires is not the solution, but I also think it's important to understand that bonking billionaires is going to be an inevitable part of socialist revolution. Most of the time, they are not going to let go of their ownership and power voluntarily, and there are imperialist states who are more than willing to fund their fight to retain power. It's all well and good to reintegrate them into society whenever possible, but that's not going to be the case most of the time.
Indeed and I bet a shit ton of millionaires are probably hate watching this video lol
Yes I don’t usually disagree with JT but any attempt at socialist revolution in the global north would culminate in full on class warfare - which would make bonking the rich a focus to achieve the goal
@@lowkeydemodest8381probably explains the "debunking" points against socialism that have been countered numerous times before, many on this very channel.
What if we beat them at their own game? That would be brilliant! We don't have to 'bonk' them, but we can persuade them, maybe even shame them a little for their egregious insane wealth. But I think the ultimate system change would be where some conscious millionaires and billionaires see investment into innovative community co-operatives as the best choice for their future because they will get gratitude, respect and contribute to a healthier future that way.
Just see how the One Small Town Contributionism structure is set up to keep at least 60% of the co-operative projects co-owned, while also giving space for investors to get tokens of appreciation as well.
what happens if people within a socialist economy decide to puruse capitalism through democratic means?
This is a good one. 100p Necessary. Well done mate 👏
Great video I love how you explain that we don’t believe in punitive justice and explain our inclination toward restorative justice.
Perhaps an important note about Puyi, the last Emperor of China part of the reason he was able to be "rehabilitated" was largely because all sides of the political spectrum in China hated the institution of Emperor at that point. The Imperial House had collaborated with the Japanese making them universally loathed, there were no "Whites" in China, unlike in Russia, desperately trying to reinstall him.
I was hoping we would get to eat them, I was kinda curious what caviar raised human tasted like.
Salty, mostly.
I have heard from a few sources that it is like pork, or veal. Still the mental anguish would warrant a flavor of it´s own I reckon.
Long pork.
they taste like chicken
In China they did that to them and their families along with torture and gang r@pe of the children as well. One instance I read was a daughter of a landowner being assaulted 47 times then cut up and eaten alive. I don’t believe any moral person would support this and hope you are being hyperbolic because this is what you wish for looks like because people aren’t going to descriminate.
Great video my friend. You have to make it make sense and that’s exactly what you do.
Just so you know you're still welcome to use the video on my channel of Burger King denying someone water because they didn't have 25 cents.
I partially agree with this one. I don’t think people in their position are going to easily concede power. I think, as a last resort, being punitive might mean saving humanity from annihilation. It’s not a pleasant or optimistic approach but it’s a conversation that needs to be had, too.
See where he loses me is that the people in charge will not concede power, use members of our class as pawns to keep it. Those people are the ones that are gonna face the harm. The rich are shielded from the violence and the consequences of said violence. And if they lose, they get to live in peace? What? That doesn’t sit right with me.
@@birdiewolf3497 well the point is that the ones who will not go peacefully will face the consequences
@@sebastiangorka200 How are we defining “going peacefully?” Again they aren’t directly involved in. They’ll call on the government to “uphold the law and order.”
@@birdiewolf3497 well lets take a historical example. in the october revolution, taking over the central government and local governments was a mostly peaceful affair. the refusing to go peacefully part came with the counter revolution of kornilovs uprising then after that failed the subsequent gathering of reactionaries in southern russia where they all met up to plot a full on violent revolt. as you can imagine thats a thing that costs money. giving money and instructing such actions is refusing to go peacefully. we can shift that analysis back too. calling for "law and order" and doing nothing else? meh. calling for "law and order" and then giving money/resources/manpower/intel/etc to the government to do that? thats calling for some consquences. not very peaceful. are you taking this on board?
@@sebastiangorka200 That’s fine. As long as it includes execs backing lobbying efforts, funding initiatives for cop cities, if they are donating to (buying) certain candidates to back antisocialist policies, etc.
You're forgetting one key element that got the ultra-rich where they are. Personal ego. Most of them exploited subordinates simply because they value themselves far higher than anyone else. They feel they earned it and deserve it, every time. Even in cases of foolish self-glorification they still value their own efforts far beyond others. That is not given up lightly.
Exactly. A rabid dog cannot be convinced. It can only be caged or put down.
Right. Could you imagine trying to rehabilitate a malignant narcissistic sociopath like Trump??? Dude couldn't last two days in court hearing hard facts of his own actions without literally crying and running away.
Even people who inherited everything they own think they deserve it more than the rest of us. Wealthy people are all narcissists. They’re antisocial people who are a threat to civil society. Something has to be done about billionaires and I’m not confident that we can re-educate these people. Leftists have a hard enough time convincing working class people to vote in their own self interest. I’m not confident that we are gonna be able to convince billionaires that we don’t owe them anything.
You're kidding, right? Ego don't got them where they are. They have an inflated ego BECAUSE the position they are in.
The material conditions one is born into shapes your ideology and not the other way around.
@@cosmefulanito5052agreed, we need to treat them as psychologically unwell people
We can’t even joke about guillotines because the opposition doesn’t comprehend satire 😂
Satire? Jokes? Nah, fam, the necky chop chop is serious business.
If billionaires get to keep (most of) their money, how would we make sure they don't use it to corrupt the system again and slowly lead it back towards capitalism via lobbyism?
guillotine
What about the billionaires that refuse to give up the wealth that they extracted under capitalism?
well they cant refuse, except fleeing the country. their assets will be evaluated to be taxed or even seized to be put to use for society.
Gulag, get them in some re-education cakes
@@Bwilli1990nah rather take back what they have stole from us
@@Bwilli1990you can't earn a billion dollars through individual work. Billionaires are rich by taking their workers' surplus value. Socialists simply want to end that exploitation.
@@Bwilli1990 yes
I don't know if it's just me but JTs hair seems to get better with every video, it's incredible.
Such a beautiful precise inspirational presentation!
okay but the real question is: would we still have youtube ads under socialism?
Probably but less
That's why I like credit unions over banks. Credit unions can only earn 1 percent profits. Anything over that has to be given to the members or re-invested
Cooperatives are the way ✌️
I am down for that
Thanks for the video :)
I know it's not a solution, but can we bonk the rich anyway? At least with one of those giant inflatable hammers that squeak. Bonk and annoy them at the same time.
Watching these videos and listening to your podcast has put me in a place where I constantly see the problems with capitalism in a new light. Now I spend much of my time dreaming up how our society could be different and trying to find ways to make it happen. It's torture in the best possible way.
me too man
Here's one way you might really enjoy: One Small Town Contributionism with Michael Tellinger. A simple, yet smart way to use cooperation, collaboration and co-ownership to the collective advantage of the people, for the people, in a community of willing volunteers.
Same
What about getting organized to actually bringing about socialism?
Bro, i live in Denmark the least corrupt country in the world and one of the leading social-democratik nations. Also i'm 15, the most i can do is join the youth socialsts, which i'm currently trying to
@@Zayden.
I love your videos, mate. They're clear to the point of what should unite leftists. Talking about what occurs at protests and trying to point out that it's a response to police brutality is a hard balance to achieve, especially when the various news channels want to spin it like the police were responding to protest violence. They fired tear gas into a coffee shop where people were being treated for tear gas on South Grand here in St. Louis, but it was the "violent protesters" that were condemned by our local media. I know officers that were bullied into resigning because they tried to raise awareness to the lack of accountability post-protest in Ferguson. Sadly, I fear capitalists will do their best to undermine any and all attempt at a peaceful transition to the future, and things will get worse before they get better, and we will carry the brunt of the blame in the eyes of the public as the capitalists own the ability to propagandize movements on a massive scale.
They own that news channel, stop watching it. They don't deserve revenue for ads shown to you.
@@carrieullrich5059 but everyone still watches it!!!!!!!! even the most "anti-fake news" people ;__; it drives me insane!!! across the entire political spectrum, the news is just there to make us REACTIONARY as fuck (left and right and "in between")
46 seconds in, and I’m glad socialist content can still land a sponsorship from google
They're just capitalizing on his viewership lol
that's a big oxymoron, why would you need a sponsor? oh yes, the same way a socialist country needs the rich to thrive or it dies
Fantastic video! As are all the videos
We eat them
Really good video. Honestly clears up a lot of misconceptions.
Fantastic explanation! Congratulations 🎉
Great video!
we [redacted] them-
kidding we introduce scientific socialism and seize their assets to fund publically own environmental reconstruction projects also all sorts of workers endeavours, non-profit innovations etc
what do you do when their private security personell comes after you.
When new leftists ask where they can learn more, I always send them to your channel. Those of us who have experience organizing and studying dialectical materialism sometimes lose sight of what's like to be a newbie. Thank you for remembering the newcomers and meeting them where they are!
I wish leftist and right wingers would wake tf up and realize all this red vs blue, black vs white ect is just Hegelian dialectic. The 3rd party never wins. All this is rigged in every form of government. Voting doesn't matter. I don't got a answer but I know the problem. The problem is buying into the idea of there only being 2 sides and you can only choose one. None of that's real, wake up
Then where do you send the rural Americans who work for what they own and who are lambasted by elite liberals and called racist and idiot for wanting to own a pistol to shoot snakes.
@@holdencaulfield9470wat
00:25 searching `` jeff bezos´´ inmediately followed by searching ``guillotine´´ is pretty funny
Great video as allways 🤝🙌
We need more people like you J.T. your no nonsense explanations are the best way to educate others. Keep up the good work bro!
This channel is truly excellent. Every video you post directly addresses any issue that a person could have with socialism directly and comprehensively. These damn videos should be streamed internationally, by force if need be
"by force" spoken like a true socialist
I mean...let's not totally rule out the guillotines and rotten tomato crates JUST yet...
Venezuela always comes to mind whenever I Think about Socialism
it was heavily sanctioned for not privatizing its oil fields.
I'm glad that you continue to be a voice of reason in this debate, very good video, JT
what debate? he's not debating anyone this is a video essay lol
Spoiler: the wall.
"we're not gonna pull out the guillotines"
Me - "but can we anyway?"
- What's considered shameful and worthy of mockery if you're poor but cool and worthy of global praise if youre rich?
- Being an adult and relying entirety on your parents for financial support.
Please keep making these videos!! I'm actively using this information to reform my workplace in ME, USA
Always remember: The last drop of fuel, won't go to riding to work, but to warm up the bosses home.
Nicely explained :) thank you
Funny as soon as I saw the title, my brain immediately said "nothing". I've also never heard that story about the last Chinese emperor, if that can happen in China of all places, it does give a bit of hope for our future.
It can be hard for me to shake the thought that we should treat the rich as well as they treated the workers. However, you're probably correct, revenge wouldn't be fair. Thanks for sharing, great video.
Exactly. Communism was born as a response to capitalism and its flaws. We have an obligation to be better.
The thing no one seems to get is that socialism isn’t against people being rich, socialism is against getting rich by exploiting other people.
As well as stupidly assuming that "exploiting" has an objective meaning, in this context.
So you say really high taxes don’t work against getting rich?
You can't get that rich without the exploitation. The furthest you get without exploitation is well off. Not rich
How do you explain exploiting? first world countries need to shutup and watch how they treat others in third world countries.
Socialism is absolutely against people getting rich, being rich is inherently a contrast to being poor. The whole point is raising everyone’s lives. The “Nordic model” is capitalism with a shine, not socialism- and it still exploits the poor greatly particularly in other countries.
They get richer, rules for thee but not for me, privatize the gain, socialize the loss
"Eat the rich." Thank you, Aerosmith.
I feel like the unions such as the UAW is making history as we speak. It could turn out to be one of the defining moment of human history!
I like your energy
I hope they don't just rest on their laurels after this. The 1970s proved definitively that "reform" in capitalism is only temporary. Capitalism has to be, to steal and modify a certain neoliberal quote regarding government, "reduced and shrunk until it can be drowned in a bath tub". @@chickensandwich8808
They should have to live in abject poverty, like people do now.
Very important points, comrade. Thanks a lot and respect for all your work.
All systems are games
The rules are written by the rich
The goal of all games is for the rich to win all assets
When they achieve this goal the system collapses
A new game begins.
But it will be different this time. We have learnt from the past. Lol
Brilliantly explained comrade. You're videos really get to the ❤ of the matter.
A major problem is that greed is a drug and people are addicted but won't admit it...
My dear comrade please don't fall for the libertarian lie of human nature.
@@cosmefulanito5052 no lie... have wittnessed this...
I think plenty of younger people would be open to the fine content such as this channel and are already in some way or another realizing the failure of capitalist hegemony. Nobody dreams of the kind of dangerous action necessary in times of change but for the time being it will go far to spread this information and in essence grow the base of class conscious people now while the waters are still calm.