Can I be LGBTQIA+ and follow Jesus? | David Marvin
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- Опубликовано: 13 сен 2024
- In this message, we answer one of the most frequently asked questions, can I be LGBTQIA+ and follow Jesus? We look at what the Bible says about LGBTQIA+ relationships and discuss how to love LGBTQIA+ people as Jesus does.
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Thank you for having the courage to speak on what most are afraid to. God bless you
This. 🫂
Pretending to be concerned about you while still spreading hate. That is not courage, that is pathetic.
This was a really good sermon. I had a lot of questions about this topic but you broke it down perfectly, responding with scripture and pointing to Jesus. I'd rather stand with GOD and be judged by the world than to stand with the world and be judged by GOD! Amen. 🙏🏻❤
Amen
You guys have no idea. I have been battling with these feelings of confusion and questioning if Im still saved or can be saved. Thank you for truth and clarity!
Praying for you sister! Stay strong in the faith. God bless you. 🙏🏻❤
You cannot lose salvation. God chose you to save and it happened perfectly in His plan
Hey there I know how your feeling I myself experienced these feelings, and I have done my research on this topic to help me out, but I just want to say your not alone. And for I choice to embrace these feelings cause there apart of me, and with it I proud to say that I’m a gay celibate Christian.
You're not alone. I am gay, always have been. However, I am a child of the living God first and my relationship is far more important than anything else in life. Always put Him first and you will realize what God has made your to do.
Cannot be gay and Christian.The sin of evil desires is just as sinful as the act. Accepting it is the worst. Jesus’ death made it possible to be free from repeated evil desires that you had prior to salvation.
Church has been avoiding this topic in fear of backlash from the public and its own congregation. It's time we as Christians teach what Jesus taught on this particular subject and stand on the truthful doctrine of God's word. Especially in this confusing time we live in.
When did Jesus ever talk about it? He did have 12 "followers" so there's a big chance he would disagree with this hate-monger
IT'S NOT A TOPIC, IT'S TO ABSURD TO DISCUSS BECAUSE IF ONE LIVES IN HOMOSEXUALITY THEY WILL GO TO HELL, NO MATTER HOW MUCH THE NAME THE NAME OF JESUS.
I have so much faith in Jesus even though I’m struggling to provide for my children since losing my job over declining the vaccine. I declined the vaccine because I have pre existing health condition lupus, and heart disease. I was denied my medical/religious exemption by Forsyth Hospital. My husband passed away three years ago so I’m alone. Ever month is struggle to not end up on the streets with my two boys. Both of my sons are autistic and non verbal so they require a lot from me. I’m overwhelmed. Especially because I am a single mother. Even as I continue to struggle, I always remember to keep faith in God, losing my job over declining the vaccine has hurt not just my family but many other families. I’ve been put down for simply sharing my story, it hurts me. But. NO MATTER WHAT, even as I face homelessness with two children seemingly every month. I will continue to have Faith that God will provide! He has this far. THANK YOU JESUS! All praises to you.
Wow! amazing testimony. My office is looking for people who want to work from home if you're interested I can help you get connected to someone
Jireh, He is enough. be content in every circumstance. He will surely provide. He owns the cattle on a thousand hills (psalm 50:10)
You shoudl try setting up a gofund me!
Have you gone back to your previous employer? Most people I know got their job back if they wanted it because it’s not required anymore.
Praying for you and your boys!!!
I have spent so many sleepless nights scared and wanting to ask this question. Having struggled with these feelings my entire life but being so afraid to ask any religious person the question/questions that you address in the video. All I can say is thank you for addressing this subject and for doing so in a loving way.
What are you doing with those feelings now?
@@tatiannamaldonado3530 I am attempting to understand them.
@@TheLiprincessleah If your feelings involve consenting adults then you have nothing to be ashamed of. No one can tell you otherwise.
When you have a true encounter with Jesus Christ you will never be the same.
As always, biblical truth that is applicable and loving. I pray this message impacts the hearts of people suffering. God Bless!!
Important issues that need to be discussed are beautifully and lovingly addressed in a clear manner! The clarity brings peace.
It’s hard to find any fault with this message, as someone who has personally dealt with this issue and as a survivor of abuse by males and females before I reached puberty.
I am perhaps most grateful that the message reaching all your churches is all people need Jesus first, that actions matter(versus the sacrifice of abstinence) and that it can be heavier than carrying other things as a follower of Christ. It’s not a competition for who has the heaviest cross but some of the heaviness comes from tacit and overt rejection in the body of Christ, even when your every choice about the issue honors God.
Thanks for this altho I didn’t love the initial anecdote, which was hardly referenced later because it just isn’t great to compare a toddler to an adult wrestling with an unasked for temptation.
It would be cool or have been cool to hear from any of the people who wrestle themselves with this issue.
To hear the very hope in their voices and see it on their faces.
Thank you so much! I have been getting to know two people who are currently engaging in this, one of which claims Christianity, and I seriously needed this! It is confusing and tempting to be around it when the world around you is telling you that it's correct to live that way.
It is a way to live. Just because others live their lives like that does not mean you have to. If you are their friend you leave them alone and let them be happy.
I think it’s important to differentiate our temptations/desires and our identity. Oftentimes, those who claim the name of Jesus yet behave contrary to his message through self-affirmed, habitual sin actually don’t follow Jesus. You can be tempted to murder, but that does not make you a murderer, but it’s different to say I was born a murderer, therefore I cannot choose to be anything else. Behavior plays a role in identity, but self-image and temptation do not.
God is real. He is alive. He has plans for us and is raising up a generation that will speak His truth. Thank you Jesus.
Such an amazing sermon! Definitely a must listen for anyone.
This is how I approach people. We are all sinners who need Jesus.
Thank you for sharing truth in such a loving way
Yes. It’s about Jesus not us. Doesn’t matter who you are, He saved you for a reason.
Come to Jesus, just as you are! That applies to everyone. No matter who you are, no matter the struggle. Doesn't matter. God is God and He can overcome any and every sin in your life! Jesus blood covers it all! The only issue I have is when people say that the Bible doesn't say that it's a sin to be sexually immoral. It is. Let Him overcome it all in your life! Praise Jesus!
Dmarv gave it to us straight, am sometimes made to think that may be am supposed to hate this kind of people because am christian but i have leaned in and understood that it's my duty to love them and for the Holy Spirit to convict them.
Thank you! The answer is always Jesus! ❤
This is so good, thank you
AMAZING sermon. Points I’ve not heard yet, we’ll done!
You are a brave preacher
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such a good message! thank you for touching on the topic!
The vast majority of homosexual Christians never have a change in their attraction, even if married to the opposite sex. Therefore, a gay Christian's most likely options are either to remain celibate, or to marry someone to whom they are not sexually attracted. Because of this, any sermon on this topic needs to spend plenty of time taking about how to live a fulfilling life in either of these scenarios, all while still having your sinful sexual desires and no valid outlet to meet those desires according to the Bible. Preston Sprinkle's interviews with people like Gregory Coles and Wesley Hill have great discussion on that very topic.
We are able to be saved and delivered, as we are given the power from the Word
Let people be gay. They should have their right to happiness. Stop tormenting them with threats of punishment for who they are.
@@GimbalosMorkinar would you say the same thing for pedophilia or bestiality? Doing what makes you happy isn't the threshold for morality.
People need spiritual deliverance from sexual immorality to have a change of heart and that can only come through their relationship with Jesus Christ.
Lol when a kid throws a tantrum and you’re like, “ I don’t think you understand this situation. I can literally throw you across this entire store right now.” 🤣
Such a great sermon!
This sermon was very good. Well done, Pastor.
I was out after the opening when he makes the analogy of the kid not wanting to PICK a toy for the pool.
I am a Christian and I will say this is the number one reason Christians have historically had such a hard time relating to homosexuals, is because they won't get their heads around the concept that people are not CHOOSING same sex attraction, at least not the majority.
It's just such a bad starting point because you have to be able to walk with someone on their struggles, and you can't even legitimately start the conversation when you're not willing to meet the person where they are.
Great sermon! Must have take quite some courage to deliver it. God bless you!
Is it courage to tell lies to a bunch of hateful sheep?
Late to the party, but I’m amazed how well he handled this topic. At the end of the day, we can either follow Christ or follow our own desires. “For to set the mind on the flesh is death, but to set the mind on the Spirit is life and peace. For the mind that is set on the flesh is hostile to God, for it does not submit to God’s law; indeed, it cannot. Those who are in the flesh cannot please God.” Romans 8:6-8
Whichever path you and I choose eventually leads to a harvest both on this earth and in eternity.
So well said❤️❤️❤️
I love this! I am coming Tuesday!
So Jesus died on the cross for all sin past, future, and present and loves me unconditionally, yet if I choose to make love or marry a same sex partner I love I will not inherit the kingdom of Heaven? I think if it truly is a sin (which I don’t believe) that God of all people would understand, forgive, and love me eternally in the kingdom of Heaven.
@@Petrovvvv you don’t know what you’re talking about
@@Petrovvvv I’m not concerned about a flawed man made book, only my personal relationship with God. I could never understand people who are so wrapped up in one “sin” that they lose sight of their own.
@@Petrovvvv You know exactly what I’m saying. The statement was directed towards you and people like you. Perhaps since you’re so concerned about what the Bible says about my sin, you should consider reading John 8:7. Or perhaps Matthew 7:5.
I would ask if marrying a same sex partner is truly obeying Gods commandments and understand that your identity is not in being gay but in Christ. I would also add that there is probably a lot of trauma you’ve delt with maybe in your childhood and you probably had confusion early on (that may not be true for you but it’s common) Your personal relationship with Jesus is the only thing that can bring spiritual deliverance from that trauma. That goes for everyone gay or not as WE ALL have trauma related to sexual immorality.
@@AshtasticAcrobat Bless you
Sweden legalized gay marriage in 2009 not 1944, that's a huge difference.
4 minutes in and I have issues with the analogy. It’s not a “want” or a “choice” somebody can make. It’s a matter of who people are.
I thought the same at that point. I think the message works better without that metaphor as it isn’t integral to the message and really isn’t a good metaphor for same-sex attraction. I’m curious if you finished it?
@@R33AD honestly no, it was going down a road I’ve heard before. I feel like sins like adultery can be more of a choice. Being LGBT has more to do with who a person is. You’re already a sinner in need of repentance just for feeling the way you are and trying to exist? It just wasn’t a great place to start when you feel people trying to have an explanation for something they don’t actually understand. He said he’s had “family or friends” struggle, but I suspect not himself or his children. It’s easy to condemn when it doesn’t cost you much.
@@ryancaldwell9463 the message of the Gospel is that all human beings, regardless of their sexual orientation, are sinners in need of repentance. Having a same-sex attraction is not what damns a person in-and-of itself.
@@ryancaldwell9463 you have been indoctrinated to believe that being lgbt is part of a persons being when in fact its not. There is no proof to suggest any physical difference in someones brain when they are gay or any other factor that shows a clear difference. They are simply people made a choice to give in to their sexual desires. God does not make people predestined to be gay because its “who they are”.
The concept of "all human beings are sinners in need of repentance" is a toxic one that teaches people to always be ashamed of themselves. It's unhealthy.
God loves you; not the sin
This was interesting.
If one misses 1st base then they are not saved, They can go to 2nd base and get a free bath. Look at me I'm Christian now but the the umpire say's your out at home plate. Why? Lord look what I done! Me took a bath. I ran for this and I ran for that. Your out because you didn't touch 1st base.
To touch 1st base is to have a hate for sin so bad that you have genuine tears of sorrow and regret. To hate sin like God hates it. Then they are saved and God will change him. Those who wait upon the Lord shall be saved and all things work together for the good that loves the Lord.
If A Gay though parades around honoring what God calls an abomination is only a religious nut with no fruit, then I doubt their salvation. God hates a prideful look that thinks they are so sharp like a thorn that God will pull it out.
Good message David... But David, if anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart. You say if they don't act it out then they have not sinned. God's Word differs...
I thought he was going to put the sources in the desc?
Wow, just wow, amazing sermon. God bless, AMEN🙏🏽❤️
12:56 Wrong, buddy. He who looks at another woman lustfully has committed adultery in their heart as Jesus said.
Yes!!!🤲🏻truth.
Titus 2:11-15 Trained by Saving Grace
11 For the grace of God that brings salvation has appeared to all men, 12 teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly in the present age, 13 looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ, 14 who gave Himself for us, that He might redeem us from every lawless deed and purify for Himself His own special people, zealous for good works.
15 Speak these things, exhort, and rebuke with all authority. Let no one despise you.
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We are not broken We are not struggling We are proud of who we are We're normal we did not choose to be gay You chose to be a straight man You're hiding as a gay man and you chose to be straight We choose to tell the truth and live out our identity pastor Amen cuz our Jesus can handle the truth. Praying for you 🙏😇🏳️🌈
It's nice to find this kind of a comment in here
Romeinen 10:4 Galaten 5 en Galaten 3 🌹♥️
Horribly incorrect overview of the scientific literature. Even if you read their cherry picked studies in detail it actually shows that the single best intervention to close the health disparity gap (suicide risk, life expectancy, mental health disorders etc) between homosexuals and heterosexuals IS TO ALLOW GAY PEOPLE TO GET MARRIED. Either the preacher is grossly negligent in their reading of the literature or consciously manipulative to meet his ends. Either way he is not fit for the platform God has given him and I pray that lgbtq people and their loved ones are not led astray by his falsehoods and conviction.
Pray that they receive Gods word by reading the Bible themselves directly.
My advice to fellow LGBTQ : I do not support progressive Christianity as a sin is a sin and that we are all sinners and only GOD JESUS CHRIST AND HIS HOLY SPIRIT can forgive our sins and Iniquities by HIS LOVE, GRACE AND MERCY AND HIS RIGHTEOUSNESS AND KJV BIBLE GUIDELINES. Nothing upon our self righteousness or any form of self human manuel works or deeds can remove or pardon our sins and Iniquities. And to be changed and renewed by HIS HOLY SPIRIT as such we do not want to sin consciously anymore. Homosexuality is a sin and I acknowledge that as a lesbian. Anyone be they heterosexuals or homosexual, etc who looks upon another lustfully is sinful adultery or cohabitation before sanctity of marriage and that many heterosexuals in churches or not practice that too which many tend to contradict themselves as there are those who are homophobic. So best that as LGBTQ Christians that we be mindful and respecful as not to practice promiscuity, polygamy and that we practice celibacy before marital marriage unions... All humans be one hetero or homosexual LGBTQ are not perfect as we were born sinners and have our weaknesses and some have addictions and codependency excess spiritual baggage shortcomings to be removed as all have our personal journey in GOD JESUS CHRIST by surrendering upon Repentance and that Faith that only GOD JESUS CHRIST is our only true SAVIOUR AND CREATOR and the KJV BIBLE is the best living guidebook. Pray in GOD JESUS CHRIST to be protected against spiritual warfares too. There are many apostate churches with false spirits and lying wonders like speaking in pagan tongues glassalonia Oracles of Delphi, slain in the spirit, holy laughter, prosperity laws of attraction, yoga, kundalini, psychic fortune telling, tarot cards, mediums, wizardry Sorcery (Pharmakeia Pharmaceutical), etc. Never worship mere mortals religious leaders or mary fatimah, repetitious prayers like rosaries, necromancy of mere mortal dead saints, Ref : KJV BIBLE
Going by the title. Some things are so absurd that there is no need for discussion.
UNLESS YOU HUMBLE YOURSELF AND REPENT(TURN FROM ALL SIN) AND RECEIVE JESUS BEING BORN AGAIN OF THE SPIRIT OF GOD LIKE JESUS TOLD NICODEMUS THERE IS NO SALVATION, YOU WILL DIE IN YOUR SINS AND GO TO HELL.
GOD IS NOT MOCKED WHATSOEVER YOU SOW, YOU WILL REAP.
What he is teaching is not the full counsel of God. In the sermon on the Mount Jesus said, "If a man lusts after a woman, he has committed adultery in his heart.." If we hate someone it is the same as murder. These things, our actions proceed out of the heart. All sin is what put Jesus on the Cross.
Yes, we can be forgiven, but the Bible says, "Let him (or her) that names the name of Christ depart from sin..."
We are not to continue in sin thinking that grace will abound, that is deceiving ourselves.
There is something evil here never confuse the territory from the map.. always keep an open mind & dogmatically believing any one persons a pinion or ideology is a road paved to hell with some daym good intentions
Please stop saying we are an inspiration. It hurts and hearing you say that brings pain and anger. Just stop it. Please.
For anyone struggling I pray that you come to kno the love of the Father. Through the witness of the Messiah Yehosuah (Jesus the Christ) and become commited to Him through the good works of His word, to show YHWH Elohim(Father God) that you love Him. John 14:15-31
Jesus Promises Another Helper
15 “If you love Me, [a]keep My commandments. 16 And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another [b]Helper, that He may abide with you forever- 17 the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you. 18 I will not leave you orphans; I will come to you.
Two comments:
1. There is a not-insignificant segment of (legitimate, actual, good faith) Christ-followers who believe “the Bible says” something totally different than what this pastor believes, about sex, marriage, sexual orientation, and flourishing within human relationships. Read Colby Martin, Stan Mitchell, Kathy Baldock, Jeff Chu, and others for a different perspective.
2. If you hope to “reach” LGBT people with your flawed message, you should avoid analogies that make you “God” and queer people the ungrateful, petulant child who-due to his immaturity and lack of understanding-misinterprets his good father’s intentions and, consequently, “no one gets a toy” because of his willful refusal to cooperate. It’s offensive, and not in a “The gospel offends the wisdom of man” sort of way, but in a “I am tone-deaf and insensitive” sort of way.
Bonus comment: Please stop “welcoming” and “accepting” LGBT people the way you would accept adulterers or porn addicts or other random sexual sinners. It’s degrading and dehumanizing.
I don't know why you have a problem with the pastor "welcoming "and "accepting" LGBT just like those who engage in adultery and pornography. Sin is sin man. The practice of homosexuality is clearly a sin just like the practice of engaging in adultery, pornography, theft, gossip, etc is sin. The Bible clearly defines each of these practices as sins. For a follower of Christ to accept the practice of homosexuality as alright is compromising the truth of scripture. We as Christ followers are called to be set apart from the world. No, Christ followers are certainly not perfect, but we do serve a perfect God who fortunately convicts of sin.
No; no you can’t. Galatians 5 states that lgbt goes against God
Idc what you say...You can. My Uncle is gay and he's a believer, God isn't cold hearted like that
Romans 3:10-12 says we all go against God.
For those who are in christ, there is now no condemnation. Romans
I wonder if you watched the sermon. It’s interesting that he covered what you just did in the message. And while he answered biblically he didn’t answer the way you did
Ummm I just want to say that Sweden legalize same sex marriage in 2009 right
Romans 1:26, can you explain why God would place them in shamefulness and lust? People only know or believe that God wouldn’t do bad things, that Satan ‘Santa’ is the one who would temp us into destruction.
Because we live in a world where Satan is the god of, meaning the world at large is demonically influenced. Also there is free will and man by nature is sinful
NO.
Let's stop it with the "community" nonsense, as if "LGBTQIA+" are in any real sense a "community." And of course there isn't mobilized efforts against gossiping -- because gossiping isn't fundamentally disorienting our society and giving vulnerable kids hormonal replacement pills and life-altering surgery.
Terrible sermon for so many reasons…and where does the Bible claim to be the actual words of God?
You can be LGBT and Christian 👬
Stop lying and demoralizing, dan
Yes, but you’re a Christian in sin just as I am with sin in my life. It’s not in God’s plan for our lives. Sin is sin and we must repent. A repentive life is one that turns away from our sin and to Christ.
@@jacksonstenhouse4429 so you know good and evil as God. Is that the way to life? What did it do for Adam and eve?
@@dansaber4427 God knows good and evil. And He told us what it was. In no uncertain terms. Also, I have no idea who adam and eve are. The story I heard was about Adam and steve
I can't be a murdering Christian. God is working it out of me. He explicitly says we shouldn't murder. I also don't want to be a prideful Christian. I want God to make me holy. I'm a sinner saved by grace who God is making holy. If I label myself AS A SIN, then I am just giving myself license and excuse to sin. That's not biblical at all. People want to excuse their sin, I get it, I find myself doing it too and continue to pray for sanctification. But saying sin is not a sin, that's just not biblical. Saying it's a sin that you struggle with but love God and want Him to make you holy, whatever that means, that's a fair statement. Not that you're an LGBT Christian.
Orientation? Really? Wow… this is a misinterpretation of the scripture!!