Gotta get me on that list. Lmao - bro this is why I like my OEM filters. Holy hell. WIF has saved me a few times from garbage fuel stations when I had no choice.
In Michigan go to fuels stations that are owned by companies. Why? Because Company owned fuel stations are forced to have their fuel, pumps, and tanks checked quarterly. Your typical corner stations are privately owned franchises that aren't required by law to be checked. You would do yourselves a favor by going to company owned stations like Sam's Costco Meijer BJ's they own those stations and are not private franchises and are required by law to be inspected and maintained for fuel Quality!
All fuel has water in the storage tanks. Best not to fill up when a load of fuel is being delivered. All stations can tell you how much water is in the tank, in inches and gallons.
FASS system is junk. I bougth one and when I read the instuctions on how to install on 2017, powerstoke it made no sense. When I finally figured it out I returned to system. I cant speak for the FASS system on power stokes pre 2017, but after 2017, they're trash.
So to be fair there’s not enough data on these to do something like that. In other countries cp4’s see a 1% failure across the board for the vehicle manufacturers that use them. In the us its 7%. So they can’t justify it. With that being said, I put a dcr on my 6.7.
@@brycesettles2770 7% is a huge number for such an expensive repair. If I know the low sulfur diesel has an effect then the engineers do so they should make changes like you. It is unacceptable for the manufacturer to just hope it makes it out of warranty
I posted a thread on other site about the FASS system I ordered and could not figure out how to install on 2017 Superduty. I dropped the instructions for install to my good friend who owned a body shop and let him look at it. He called me back the next day and told me how it installed and I couldn't believe it. He also told me I probably should return it because it didn't make much sense the way it worked on 2017's and up. I did return it. When I posted about having to pay a 15% restocking fee I was shocked how many people told me I was very lucky I didn't install it becasue they did and had big problems.
Will, I have often thought about running a fass, or aftermarket filter system like H&S offers; but after seeing how well that water filtration worked, I think I’ll stick to my OEM filtration
A cat filter will serve you well too but why modify a system that works? There is more to the story of how the owner abused this truck it to get it into this condition. That said, I use OE filter(s) on my 11, 6.7ps which has almost 230,000 miles and the original CP4.
Imagine that, the engineers that designed the fuel system know what they are doing.... 🙄I too, like you, @jorrick66 will be sticking with the OEM filtration.
I’ve just a little less than 230,000 miles on my un-tuned, 11, f250, 6.7ps,. I just returned to the Left Coast from s trip to Tuktoyaktuk, NWT Canada on the Arctic Ocean via Montana and Wyoming. My truck is still running strong with the OE CP4 and filter(s). However, for peace of mind last year I installed your fuel bypass system. If an OE CP4 is not introduced to water, air, DEF or gas it will continue doing the job. Not running and not working a diesel engine is hard on them. They aren’t a good choice to run three blocks to the grocery the return. Work it with cetane additive and it will serve you well.
Driving to and dropping off my CP4 Core at Injectors Direct this morning, about 60 miles RT. Practically giddy about removing that thing from my truck and life. Am finally confident in the reliability of my 2016 F250 SD. A simple thanks seems entirely inadequate, but thanks again S&S, Pure Power, Stanadyne everyone involved with bringing the DCR Pump to market.
@@kevinmcquitery4543 The pump kit was 1995.00 + tax and if I recall 400 core charge that was promptly credited back. Bought from Injectors Direct in San Luis Obispo CA. Was closest dealer. Had local shop install, the bill including other work and LOF, Fuel Filters, ~4K. Just no time to do by self but certainly doable.
I appreciate the informative video. I own a 2020 Ford F-450 Limited with just 11k miles. After much research I have decided to replace the OEM fuel filters and water separator with a SPE Fuel Filter system that uses CAT filter IR-0749 and 256-8753 water separator filter and still uses the OEM water senor . I am also on a wait-list at JBJ Repair to replace th CP4 with a DCR pump once he receives the DCR pumps on order. I'm looking forward to getting the new pump installation completed .
Hey, SPE fuel filters look cool but I have a question...even though they retain the stock wif sensor...? Can the wif sensor really work if it's NOT located in the same place as where the separation & collection of water is occuring?????🤔
I also use the SPE fuel filter system and I'm very happy with it. I love that it filters down to half the microns that the Ford system does and that it uses CAT filters.
I was running the Airdog system for about a year and never had an issue. It doesn't use the stock water sensor but does have a water drain on one of the filters so it can be checked. Currently I'm back to the OEM system.
I appreciate what you guys do, and my only real way to combat this in Wisconsin has been to fill our transfer tanks and run a conditioning string before fuel goes in trucks or our equipment. The bobcats we have are common rail too and guess what, just as susceptible to bad fuel. Fuel quality has gone down consistently in my area, its certainly kept diesel shops busy. I will probably put a dcr in my 2017 because it has already had a relief and fuel rail issue that led to replacement but the cp4 survived.
I've been considering this pump for my truck but have received a lot of Super Duty owners who are skeptical due to the pump being made in China. Some who did purchase the pump reported things like the engine feeling off, possibly due to the DCR having two pulses per revolution versus the CP4 having four pulses per revolution. Something about being in sync. I'm not a modern diesel pro, but before I blow over $2,000 to replace a CP4 that has 160k on the clock with no issues (I run 4oz OptiLube XL per 20gal) I want to be thoroughly informed. This video shows that the pump can stand up to some serious abuse, but I'm still on the fence. Have you guys received any complaints or returns (that you can speak about publicly) that would shed light on some of the mentioned concerns above? I have no idea if the guys complaining have stock trucks or modded ones (mine is bone stock) and I imagine modded ones with a different pump would give issues. Just trying to determine whether or not I should drop cash on such an expensive part when my stock part is fine.
Great question and it's wise to get as much information as possible before spend your hard-earned money. There are 3,500+ and counting DCRs in service at this time, and with that there have been a few complaints, most of which can be attributed to install error or other systems that were apart during the install. Some complaints have been legitimate warranty issues, yet none of them was determined to be a result of 2 pulses vs 4 pulses. A common rail fuel pump does not need to be in sync with the engine, it just makes pressure. This video will help better-explain: ruclips.net/video/C9MQVg1AGVs/видео.htmlsi=xoeIcwzhCjTCzoW3 Current DCRs are made in China, yet a US-based plant is starting up in order to support the US DCR market that has been created. DCR owners can take pride in knowing that they are playing a role in bringing manufacturing back to the USA. As for quality, we have complete confidence in the DCR, regardless of where it is made. That's why we are willing to put our name and warranty on it. We don't blame you for being skeptical of a new product. Since we just launched it back in June, the DCR does not have a long track record... yet making metal is not on it. In the rare instances of a warranty issue, we have taken care of it in a timely manner... and will continue to do so. We would love to have your business and will stand behind DCR Pump Conversion.
@@SSfueled Zero problems with mine and now has about 5K miles on it. Zero difference performance - wise. Ran the CP4 without additive or accelerated F filter service first 35K miles or so, and am finding the peace of mind 100% worth it. I know several guys in my area whose CP4s imploded without a DPK on them, including both GM & Ford trucks. One was $12.5K repair the GM was $15K+.
Look at the RCD Performance pump. That's the one I'm going to install in my 2017 Superduty. It makes for sense and is made in USA and still as a Bosch warranty.
Instead of buying this chinese made pump that doesn't have long-term testing on the 6.7. RCD CPX is a better choice. Buckets are pinned, which makes rotation (cause of failures) impossible, and case fuel is routed back to tank. All while keeping the 4 pulse per rotation setup, which is what the 6.7 is designed for, not the 2 pump dcr.
@@HSKFabricationsmy rcd cpx pump lasted 25,000 miles. The pin broke off went in my engine. The shaft seized inside the gear, and the pump broke in half. Left me broken down in New Mexico on the 10 loaded with 4 cars on my trailer. Metal everywhere. The pump did not redirect metal to the tank like they state. I would not ever again buy the cpx pump again or recommend it. That brake down screwed me so bad. So before you start calling this a Chinese pump you should maybe consider it a good pump. I think it’s funny how the pump you swear by is what left me stranded and in extreme stress.
Awesome video, pump is ordered and will be installed July 10th, along with a Fleece turbo and some other goodies on my 2013 F250, 138k long bed Well done S&S, and AArod/PPT keep up the good work.
I guess there not changing fuel filters, we run Fass pumps on trucks and if there water in fuel filters it will shut off pump, we check filters swap them out with new ones and back on the road. It’s saved use a few times going to different fuel stations you don’t know if they change there fuel filters on pumps
In this case, the truck owner changes the fuel filters with every oil change. It was just bad luck and he got a batch a fuel with water in it. These particular filters had roughly 5,000 miles and 3 months of use. The water did not shut the pump off, but the DCR and injectors handled it. We're glad it worked for you and not sure why it didn't for him.
Could the new DCR be equipped with a water sensor as well? Having multiple check points for a system as the 6.7L sounds reasonable. With all that rust I bet they will have a fuel injector issue in the near future. All that iron flying around the combustion chamber can not be good either and eat at any seals. All that rust in just a few months, imagine what years of such abuse will surmount too. All such system should all have steel components but cost would be a huge factor, but worth it in the long run, IMHO.
That's not a bad idea. We pulled and tested one injector; surprisingly, it performed identical to a brand new stock injector that we pulled from our inventory. So far so good and the truck is still running without issue. We'll keep you all informed of how the truck is doing since we put the same DCR right back in it after testing.
I have a 2017, f350 SWD with the SPE fuel system on which runs CAT filter and CAT water separator and uses the factory water sensor. It also filters down to half the microns as the factory filters. I spoke with a shop today about installing your DCR pump which would give me piece of mind over the CP4. I wish you have mentions the filters that were on your test truck. I don't think CAT filter and water separator would rust like the ones you showed. If I'm wrong about the filters get me know. I tried to check on that issue but how been unable to find the answer. I love your new pump and I'm looking forward to get it installed on truck.
Thank you for your business! We put CAT filters with a water drain back on this truck, that we he could visually check for water from time to time. We can't say whether they would rust or not, but since he had removed the OE filtrations system, it was the best we could do. An added benefit of the factory filters is that they are all plastic, which can't rust.
SS Fueled probably can't answer your question, but to me and others posting here that the filters on the test truck looked like ones from FASS, even with the names blurred out. They had the same dimensions, colouring, and black writing. I was looking at their system, but not anymore. I also have been looking at the system from SPE that you installed, but I was wondering if I installed it it could void my warranty. Thus, I think that I'll stick with the filters from Ford for now until at least the warranty is up.
The can that those filters sits in are metal and are capable of rusting out exactly like the FASS system. Anything that hold water will eventually rust unless it's made out of something that prevents it. The other thing is regular maintenance. Those filters looked like they hadn't been changed in quite some time so if you've already made the mistake of ditching the stock system you can at least make sure you regularly change the filters to prevent rust buildup in those metal cans.
@@SSfueled It seem to me that you don't know if CAT filters rust is unbelievable. Without doing any research on the subject I would bet they don't be a leader in diesel machinery.
Other then leaving the factory filtration in place, what’s the solution for the rust/water in the filters? Seems like there needs to be an addition of a water in fuel sensor and a drain. Wouldn’t that solve the rust build up issue?
Does the under hood filter have a steel mesh support liner or is it just plastic and pleats (similar yet different from the OEM undercab setup)? Just curious. This is great news to see though for the DCR pump.
That's part of the problem. The factory under hood filter was deleted in favor of the two aftermarket filters that created the rust. Retaining the stock under hood filter would have at least caught the rust.
No kidding, that's what we thought when we first opened up the fuel system, haha. Unfortunately, what really happened is much more disturbing. All of the water likely came from an unknown fuel station as a result of traveling. He parked the truck shortly after and then went on vacation without any indication that there was water in it. The truck started acting up when he got back 2 weeks later and the video shows why. The owner of the Rusteater is quite particular when it comes to maintenance, which is exactly what motivated him to purchase an aftermarket filtration system that he thought was an upgrade over stock. Good thing he had a DCR in it.
I have the same setup, top fuel delete kit, and fass 140 kit. Also a 2018 6.7. Had the s&s prevention kit installed, removed filter setup but kept the fca block on the cp4 and the bypass line off of it. Dealing with a crank, fire then instantly shutoff. Ran fine for about a week. Now it’s causing me issues. Thinking about just going to a dcr setup….
I’m about to buy a new F-350. Never owned a diesel, always purchased gasoline converted to propane/gas combo. We had a cattle ranch but sold and now I have a construction company. So…. A gasoline engine run on propane will be absolutely spotless clean inside. The oil will look clean even after 10,000 miles. That being said, you loose a lot of power with propane so when we pulled a very heavy trailer up to our ranch from the cities around us, we often switched to gasoline. Our ranch was at 4000-7000 ft msl and the cities around us were at 1000-1500’ msl. So buying a diesel sends a lot of caution signs to my mind.
The SPE Cat filter kit retains the factory WIF sensor and puts it before the water separator, how well it works IDK, but the cat filter at least has the water drain valve on the bottom of the water separator so you can periodically drain it to check for water. Just FYI anyone with a stock 6.7 ford fuel system you should periodically drain your water separator after it's been sitting a for a few hours. This allows all the water to separate from the fuel and get drained out.
@@zekester1 I'd assume not, unless there is a large amount of water like someone dumped DEF in the fuel tank. This is why I tell all my customer to run the factory setup which is good for a decent bit of HP anyways.
Blurred but looks like FASS filters. Which makes sense due to the description of the replacement underside and removed top side stock setup. I always wondered how good those Air dog and FASS work. Had a Duramax LML before and a ton of those guys use them stock or modded trucks I just wonder if it's more lack of maintenance? Due to the filters needed to be ordered in most cases, and cost, and supposed better filtration...do guys with those extend their replacement intervals? Also, maybe if the water in fuel this person got was just an anomaly? Maybe
In this particular case, the truck owner is really good about changing filters; he changes fuel filters with every oil change. The filters in the video were installed in March of 2023 and we estimate that he got a bad batch of fuel sometime before April, and then went on vacation for a week. The amount of rust suggests that the truck was sitting for a while with water in it. Since it's his work truck, the only week it sat was during the vacation. We're thrilled that the DCR could have been eating rust and water for months and was still making pressure!
I am a huge fan of WIX filters.... and WIX diesel fuel filters are also white...... Could have been a specific brand system purchased and then a different filter used?
I never considered the metal inside the filters to actually be an issue. I was going to put the SPE filter system on, but decided against it after seeing this. If anything this was a PERFECT test for this new pump design, you couldn't have planned this any better. I wonder how the injectors are holding up.
I have the SPE filter system on my 2017 Superduty and think it is the best system. First it uses CAT filters that screen down to 1/2 microns verus Ford's filters. It doesnt use that crap filter that FASS use.
@@moosergs As long as the metal can can't rust when water gets in, then they are fine. I was considering the SPE but after seeing that the filters can rust if water gets in them I will stick with OEM, but ONLY OEM, no third party crap that looks like OEM.
The SPE system uses CAT filters that without knowing I would bet don't rust. CAT is a world leading in diesel equipment so I'm sure that CAT filters are the best filters available. Also, it's been mentioned in several other threads that the suspect filters that rusted in S & S video were from FASS. Just sayin.@@acdii
We do not have any plans for a DCR for the LML as we already have the cp3 conversion which is tried and true! The CP3 is a very robust and reliable design!
So far so good on the DCR that ate the rust and water. It is still running in the truck without issue. We don't have enough data to give you a service life estimate, since none have failed yet. The only catastrophic failure we have seen so far is when spinning it backwards on a test bench. The 6.7F DCR is designed to turn one way due to the offset of the plungers. The good news is that no debris was passed through the plungers. We only recommend running clean diesel through them, but there is at least one instance of a DCR handling water.
The filters were actually generating rust because of the water in the fuel. I’ve always been a fan of the factory setup for the better micron rating, factory drain and sensor. For higher hp setups once you have upgraded injectors or stroker/dual pumps I’ve always recommended run the aftermarket lift pump feeding the factory FCM.
The parts before AND after the filter rusted. The rust didn't make it past the filters but rather rust formed on the parts that come after the filter so it went straight into the pump. What's more curious is why the injectors weren't damaged. The DCR has a small screen but it looked mostly empty of debris. Either way, rust didn't get past the filter is was created after the point of filtration within the filter itself.
they answered ........"SSfueled said, 7 months ago, In this case, the truck owner changes the fuel filters with every oil change. It was just bad luck and he got a batch a fuel with water in it. These particular filters had roughly 5,000 miles and 3 months of use. The water did not shut the pump off, but the DCR and injectors handled it. We're glad it worked for you and not sure why it didn't for him."
i just ordered the dcr conversion kit for my 13 6.7 powerstroke yesterday. were building the truck and currently have it torn down. i have a fass system titanium series and disaster prevention kit to install on this build aswell but it looks like i might be better off to stick with the oem since ive decided to throw the DCR in while we have it apart. would you agree or do you think it would be fine to just put it all in? it will be mainly a daily drivable tow rig that can make a strong pull if needed. but not trying to make anything to crazy with it just looking for reliability and dependability.
Thank you for your business. The Disaster Prevention Kit is not compatible with the DCR and we prefer the factory supply pump and filtration system. That's what we run in both of our company-owned development trucks.
@@SSfueled ok great so the factory supplied pump and filter kit should be sufficient for any extra power or stress thrown at the truck? i purchased the fass system and disaster prevention kit prior to getting the DCR. and not knowing they were avalable at the time. so i can just sell them. but will the fass system work with the DCR?
@@roymooney2921 I'm not sure how far along you have come on your build since it's been six months since your post, but to me the filters in the video that SS Fueled took out of the truck look like they came from FASS.
Just orders mine. Nice work fellas! Quite excited. …now wait a second…that no drain water separator filter is “aviation grade” technology 😂 Airdog 165G!! CAT filter conversion and move on with life.
12,600 miles total and 6,000 miles since the last fuel filter change back in March. Based on the amount of rust, we estimate that water was introduced sometime before April, when the truck sat for a week while the owner was on vacation. That's the only period of time that the truck has not been used daily.
@@FRZNTYM1 The frequency of use does not play much of a role in water contamination, but it does play a role in corrosion. In the case of this truck, the rust in the filter was very bad, which suggests that it sat with water in the filter for some time. Driving the truck will move fuel and water throughout the system, which is why we also saw rust formation on the return lines and inside of the pump. Water can cause issues either way. What really made the difference, in this case, was the DCR pump. It survived the water and rust, and is still running in the truck today... scored bushings and all. We've had reports of many CP4 warranties being denied due to fuel contamination, yet with a DCR it does not appear to be an issue.
@@SSfueled wow, that's unfortunate to see. I've sold a lot of thos systems on older trucks. We have always told customers that it is unnecessary on their 6.7Ls though.
What is your guys recommendation for fuel filter change intervals? I've always done every other oil change, seems like every time I try to go longer there's always something that happens. Even my older mechanical diesels get the same treatment, and once I started owning newer common rail diesels I figured it's cheap insurance to keep the fuel system clean as I can. Maybe some areas have cleaner fuel, but I've always just noted that diesel is a dirty fuel, whether it be crap, algae or water.
We recommend the factory fuel filter service intervals which can be found here: www.fordservicecontent.com/Ford_Content/vdirsnet/OwnerManual/Home/Content?variantid=9071&languageCode=en&countryCode=USA&Uid=G2267560&ProcUid=G2207675&userMarket=USA&div=f&vFilteringEnabled=False&buildtype=web
Great question. We are currently testing a DCR on a 2023 HO model. We do not expect there to be any issues, but we want to make sure before selling DCRs for 2023 trucks.
@@Kinginwar ohhh. Thank you. Here is where I went wrong: in another video, a Ford rep (Shawn Spannbauer) said (when discussing changes form 6.7l to the HO) "...increased displacement of the high-pressure fuel pump...", so to me that meant the cp4 was physically redesigned or replaced. Perhaps Ford is just using the same cp4 and pushing it harder?
Not sure if you'll read this comment since it's been 7 months since yours, but were you worried about voiding the Ford warranty? I ask because I also have a 2023, just bought last summer.
@@stevenjefferys10 I have a 24 H.O and already installed the DCR conversion just to be safe. Why people think an entire warranty is voided because of a single mod is beyond me. In this case the fuel pump warranty is the only thing voided. In order for Ford to be able to deny a warranty claim they have to prove it was a direct result of a given modification. Read up on the moss ferguson case. It is federal law that auto manufactuerers must honor their warranties regardless of after market modifications unless they can prove a specific modification caused the issue and even then they can only deny that specific claim. The warranty remains in effect for all other failures in all other systems on the truck.
Why dont people change their dang filters? I put 15k at most on my truck per year, oil, oil filter and both fuel filters 3 times a year, even if i put 10k on the truck, it still gets 3 services per year.
Based on how bad the filters look, you would think they have never been changed, but that's what water can do. In actuality, the filters were changed in March of 2023 and he got bad fuel sometime after that. The truck sat for a week in April, while the owner was on vacation. That's likely when most of the corrosion occurred. While we don't know for sure, it's possible that the truck has been driving around with water in fuel for months. We're extremely happy with how well the DCR held up to it.
@@SSfueled if that's the case, running OEM is way better than aftermarket. Plastic no metal and you have a sensor. You can literally spend yourself into more breakdowns by thinking aftermarket is better, these companies just want your hard earned money. Drain the fuel/water separator once a month. These trucks require much more maintenance than most are willing to do.
@@SSfueled and I was one of the skeptics on the OCR, I will purchase one for myself as a Christmas present from my wife. I appreciate the hard work your team has done on getting this sore thumb item sorted out
i appreciate the video, i plan to update to the dcr pump an get rid of the cp4. but, an i mean BIG BUT, how do you get corrosion? its a closed system if it wasn't a closed system it would leak correct!?! To have corrosion you need air!, yes the tank filter could have gotten air based on filling up traping air. BUT! ALL other fuel components would not have air introduced to the fuel, hence no corrosion, just water! too much water (not run), no rust. BASIC SCIENCE GUYS AN GALS
@lewisbolman7862 good lord guy, no kidding. Go get a steel gas tank, or metal tank of any size. Put water in it an seal it!. Let me know if it rusts inside.
We're right there with you. It would be ideal for the DCRs to be 100% made in the USA, and maybe one day they will be. DCRs were originally made in China when we first released the Ford 6.7L DCR Pump Conversion. Since then, we have created a large enough market for the DCR in the USA that Stanadyne has built a DCR assembly line in Blythewood, South Carolina. While many of the components are still made in China, the assembly, end of line testing, and quality control are done in the USA. Even the pump bodies are forged in the USA. It's not uncommon for a global company to use a global supply chain. The main takeaway is that Stanadyne is a reputable company with locations all over the world. Since the DCR was originally developed for engines in the Asian market, that's where the original plant was built. Thankfully, a young engineer working in a US branch discovered that the DCR would fit in the valley of the 6.7 Power Stroke. That engineer insisted on working with S&S to develop a variant specifically for the 6.7 Ford and the rest is history. We have complete confidence in the DCR and will continue to grow the demand so that we can help bring even more manufacturing, than we already have, back to the USA. Here's a link to a video tour of the plant in South Carolina: ruclips.net/video/y8IOhefx4Sw/видео.htmlsi=RE1j3AW7UaKZ2Yy7
Step 1: Blame the Fxss pump Step 2: use a Milwaukee impact battery as a hammer to dissemble the pump you are trying to promote. Lol is this for real ??
Absolutely for real. We know it's really hard to believe that the thing that's supposed to stop the water and rust, created the rust and let the water through. We're just showing what we found. Furthermore, everybody knows that a Milwaukee impact doubles as a hammer, that's common knowledge.
I really dislike this company. They have had so many versions on disaster kits. I bet this whole company was mostly built off of consumer fear. I purchased their first version of disaster kits for almost $400 bucks only to be told…oh this may not work. Buy our version 2. Whatever! Just wait I bet it won’t be long before this DCR Is in the same boat.
It would be easy to hide this comment, but we would rather talk about it. We want all of our customers to like us and feel good about their purchase. We first developed the Disaster Prevention Kit in 2016 and it has been proven to work on many occasions. We improved the design in 2021 when we discovered a potential way that it could allow some debris into the high-pressure system. We are a company founded and lead by fuel system engineers, if we discover a way to improve, we will. It's not our goal to force people to buy the latest version, yet innovation is at our core. Since 2012, S&S has been built off of our expertise and innovation in modern diesel fuel systems, for competition and durability alike. Fear has nothing to do with our success, yet trust does. Our customers trust us to provide the best solution, even if it obsoletes the previous one. We truly feel it when you say you dislike us because we are passionate about the products we design and manufacture.
It's unfortunate that you'd make this type of comment about a company as dedicated to quality and service as S&S. I suggest your beef is and should be with Ford for using a known weak problematic fuel pump. Venting on people like S&S who are the only one's trying to help you doesn't seem productive. What you basically said is that you bought something that worked, was later improved and now has an available permanent preventative fix. Yourcomment is proof that you can't please some people no matter how you hard you try no matter what you do.
@@SSfueled I only know one thing about S & S is that you guys like cutting OEM fuel lines which is something I would never have done. I would worry that by cutting fuel lines you could introduct metal shaving into the system. I would install the SPE system which does not cut fuel lines.
We all appreciate you all & your team Luke. DCRs lined up
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Gotta get me on that list. Lmao - bro this is why I like my OEM filters. Holy hell. WIF has saved me a few times from garbage fuel stations when I had no choice.
In Michigan go to fuels stations that are owned by companies. Why? Because Company owned fuel stations are forced to have their fuel, pumps, and tanks checked quarterly. Your typical corner stations are privately owned franchises that aren't required by law to be checked. You would do yourselves a favor by going to company owned stations like Sam's Costco Meijer BJ's they own those stations and are not private franchises and are required by law to be inspected and maintained for fuel Quality!
All fuel has water in the storage tanks. Best not to fill up when a load of fuel is being delivered. All stations can tell you how much water is in the tank, in inches and gallons.
@@jackylsmith8138 yep. I never get fuel when a tanker is there
This is proof the DCR is the pump to buy.....
FASS has some explaining to do😮
FASS system is junk. I bougth one and when I read the instuctions on how to install on 2017, powerstoke it made no sense. When I finally figured it out I returned to system. I cant speak for the FASS system on power stokes pre 2017, but after 2017, they're trash.
What a failure for Fass with all the trash they talk about QC.
Crazy how well the pump handled all that rust/debris
Watching 😮
I had an S&S DCR pump installed after a CP4 failure (2014 F-250). Thanks JBJ Diesel in Caldwell, Idaho.
Thank you for your business! JBJ is a great S&S dealer.
You would think ford would drop Bosch and order a million of these?
So to be fair there’s not enough data on these to do something like that. In other countries cp4’s see a 1% failure across the board for the vehicle manufacturers that use them. In the us its 7%. So they can’t justify it. With that being said, I put a dcr on my 6.7.
@@brycesettles2770 7% is a huge number for such an expensive repair. If I know the low sulfur diesel has an effect then the engineers do so they should make changes like you. It is unacceptable for the manufacturer to just hope it makes it out of warranty
Has me thinking about getting rid of my FASS now...
I posted a thread on other site about the FASS system I ordered and could not figure out how to install on 2017 Superduty. I dropped the instructions for install to my good friend who owned a body shop and let him look at it. He called me back the next day and told me how it installed and I couldn't believe it. He also told me I probably should return it because it didn't make much sense the way it worked on 2017's and up. I did return it. When I posted about having to pay a 15% restocking fee I was shocked how many people told me I was very lucky I didn't install it becasue they did and had big problems.
Will, I have often thought about running a fass, or aftermarket filter system like H&S offers; but after seeing how well that water filtration worked, I think I’ll stick to my OEM filtration
A cat filter will serve you well too but why modify a system that works? There is more to the story of how the owner abused this truck it to get it into this condition. That said, I use OE filter(s) on my 11, 6.7ps which has almost 230,000 miles and the original CP4.
Imagine that, the engineers that designed the fuel system know what they are doing.... 🙄I too, like you, @jorrick66 will be sticking with the OEM filtration.
I’ve just a little less than 230,000 miles on my un-tuned, 11, f250, 6.7ps,. I just returned to the Left Coast from s trip to Tuktoyaktuk, NWT Canada on the Arctic Ocean via Montana and Wyoming. My truck is still running strong with the OE CP4 and filter(s). However, for peace of mind last year I installed your fuel bypass system. If an OE CP4 is not introduced to water, air, DEF or gas it will continue doing the job. Not running and not working a diesel engine is hard on them. They aren’t a good choice to run three blocks to the grocery the return. Work it with cetane additive and it will serve you well.
I agree. Instilling fear in 6.7 owners.
The unintentional is the best real world test!!....Great info let us know more after bench test!!👍💪💯
Wow very informative. Congrats to S&S and also to Ford for their pretty well designed factory fuel system (not including the Cp4)
Driving to and dropping off my CP4 Core at Injectors Direct this morning, about 60 miles RT. Practically giddy about removing that thing from my truck and life. Am finally confident in the reliability of my 2016 F250 SD. A simple thanks seems entirely inadequate, but thanks again S&S, Pure Power, Stanadyne everyone involved with bringing the DCR Pump to market.
Thanks, Ray! We appreciate your business.
How much were you quoted for everything?
@@kevinmcquitery4543 The pump kit was 1995.00 + tax and if I recall 400 core charge that was promptly credited back. Bought from Injectors Direct in San Luis Obispo CA. Was closest dealer. Had local shop install, the bill including other work and LOF, Fuel Filters, ~4K. Just no time to do by self but certainly doable.
Thanks for the update. Excited to drop mine in this weekend.
Great video. I can’t wait to get one of these on my truck.
I appreciate the informative video. I own a 2020 Ford F-450 Limited with just 11k miles. After much research I have decided to replace the OEM fuel filters and water separator with a SPE Fuel Filter system that uses CAT filter IR-0749 and 256-8753 water separator filter and still uses the OEM water senor . I am also on a wait-list at JBJ Repair to replace th CP4 with a DCR pump once he receives the DCR pumps on order. I'm looking forward to getting the new pump installation completed .
Hey, SPE fuel filters look cool but I have a question...even though they retain the stock wif sensor...? Can the wif sensor really work if it's NOT located in the same place as where the separation & collection of water is occuring?????🤔
I also use the SPE fuel filter system and I'm very happy with it. I love that it filters down to half the microns that the Ford system does and that it uses CAT filters.
I was running the Airdog system for about a year and never had an issue. It doesn't use the stock water sensor but does have a water drain on one of the filters so it can be checked. Currently I'm back to the OEM system.
That's probably the best system. See so many issues with FASS. So if someone wants an aftermarket solution then Airdog is the way to go.
I appreciate what you guys do, and my only real way to combat this in Wisconsin has been to fill our transfer tanks and run a conditioning string before fuel goes in trucks or our equipment. The bobcats we have are common rail too and guess what, just as susceptible to bad fuel. Fuel quality has gone down consistently in my area, its certainly kept diesel shops busy. I will probably put a dcr in my 2017 because it has already had a relief and fuel rail issue that led to replacement but the cp4 survived.
Glad to see this system working as intended!
I've been considering this pump for my truck but have received a lot of Super Duty owners who are skeptical due to the pump being made in China. Some who did purchase the pump reported things like the engine feeling off, possibly due to the DCR having two pulses per revolution versus the CP4 having four pulses per revolution. Something about being in sync. I'm not a modern diesel pro, but before I blow over $2,000 to replace a CP4 that has 160k on the clock with no issues (I run 4oz OptiLube XL per 20gal) I want to be thoroughly informed. This video shows that the pump can stand up to some serious abuse, but I'm still on the fence.
Have you guys received any complaints or returns (that you can speak about publicly) that would shed light on some of the mentioned concerns above? I have no idea if the guys complaining have stock trucks or modded ones (mine is bone stock) and I imagine modded ones with a different pump would give issues. Just trying to determine whether or not I should drop cash on such an expensive part when my stock part is fine.
Great question and it's wise to get as much information as possible before spend your hard-earned money. There are 3,500+ and counting DCRs in service at this time, and with that there have been a few complaints, most of which can be attributed to install error or other systems that were apart during the install. Some complaints have been legitimate warranty issues, yet none of them was determined to be a result of 2 pulses vs 4 pulses. A common rail fuel pump does not need to be in sync with the engine, it just makes pressure. This video will help better-explain: ruclips.net/video/C9MQVg1AGVs/видео.htmlsi=xoeIcwzhCjTCzoW3
Current DCRs are made in China, yet a US-based plant is starting up in order to support the US DCR market that has been created. DCR owners can take pride in knowing that they are playing a role in bringing manufacturing back to the USA. As for quality, we have complete confidence in the DCR, regardless of where it is made. That's why we are willing to put our name and warranty on it. We don't blame you for being skeptical of a new product. Since we just launched it back in June, the DCR does not have a long track record... yet making metal is not on it. In the rare instances of a warranty issue, we have taken care of it in a timely manner... and will continue to do so. We would love to have your business and will stand behind DCR Pump Conversion.
@@SSfueled Zero problems with mine and now has about 5K miles on it. Zero difference performance - wise. Ran the CP4 without additive or accelerated F filter service first 35K miles or so, and am finding the peace of mind 100% worth it. I know several guys in my area whose CP4s imploded without a DPK on them, including both GM & Ford trucks. One was $12.5K repair the GM was $15K+.
Look at the RCD Performance pump. That's the one I'm going to install in my 2017 Superduty. It makes for sense and is made in USA and still as a Bosch warranty.
@@moosergs Is it a direct replacement though, like the DCR? Mine is a 2017 also. 162k miles, no issues yet. I use OptiLube XL in every tank.
This is proof the DCR is the pump to buy...... Glad to see this system working as intended!.
Instead of buying this chinese made pump that doesn't have long-term testing on the 6.7. RCD CPX is a better choice. Buckets are pinned, which makes rotation (cause of failures) impossible, and case fuel is routed back to tank. All while keeping the 4 pulse per rotation setup, which is what the 6.7 is designed for, not the 2 pump dcr.
@@HSKFabricationsmy rcd cpx pump lasted 25,000 miles. The pin broke off went in my engine. The shaft seized inside the gear, and the pump broke in half. Left me broken down in New Mexico on the 10 loaded with 4 cars on my trailer. Metal everywhere. The pump did not redirect metal to the tank like they state. I would not ever again buy the cpx pump again or recommend it. That brake down screwed me so bad. So before you start calling this a Chinese pump you should maybe consider it a good pump. I think it’s funny how the pump you swear by is what left me stranded and in extreme stress.
@@ballacii What pin broke off and went into your engine?
@@ballacii Nothing? Interested in the details.
Awesome video, pump is ordered and will be installed July 10th, along with a Fleece turbo and some other goodies on my 2013 F250, 138k long bed
Well done S&S, and AArod/PPT keep up the good work.
Lol I wouldn't do it.
Just got my DCR today thank you thank you .
I guess there not changing fuel filters, we run Fass pumps on trucks and if there water in fuel filters it will shut off pump, we check filters swap them out with new ones and back on the road. It’s saved use a few times going to different fuel stations you don’t know if they change there fuel filters on pumps
In this case, the truck owner changes the fuel filters with every oil change. It was just bad luck and he got a batch a fuel with water in it. These particular filters had roughly 5,000 miles and 3 months of use. The water did not shut the pump off, but the DCR and injectors handled it. We're glad it worked for you and not sure why it didn't for him.
Could the new DCR be equipped with a water sensor as well? Having multiple check points for a system as the 6.7L sounds reasonable. With all that rust I bet they will have a fuel injector issue in the near future. All that iron flying around the combustion chamber can not be good either and eat at any seals. All that rust in just a few months, imagine what years of such abuse will surmount too. All such system should all have steel components but cost would be a huge factor, but worth it in the long run, IMHO.
That's not a bad idea. We pulled and tested one injector; surprisingly, it performed identical to a brand new stock injector that we pulled from our inventory. So far so good and the truck is still running without issue. We'll keep you all informed of how the truck is doing since we put the same DCR right back in it after testing.
AMAZING!! I WILL be installing one .
Absolutely brilliant S&S. Buying mine next month!!
I have a 2017, f350 SWD with the SPE fuel system on which runs CAT filter and CAT water separator and uses the factory water sensor. It also filters down to half the microns as the factory filters. I spoke with a shop today about installing your DCR pump which would give me piece of mind over the CP4. I wish you have mentions the filters that were on your test truck. I don't think CAT filter and water separator would rust like the ones you showed. If I'm wrong about the filters get me know. I tried to check on that issue but how been unable to find the answer. I love your new pump and I'm looking forward to get it installed on truck.
Thank you for your business! We put CAT filters with a water drain back on this truck, that we he could visually check for water from time to time. We can't say whether they would rust or not, but since he had removed the OE filtrations system, it was the best we could do. An added benefit of the factory filters is that they are all plastic, which can't rust.
SS Fueled probably can't answer your question, but to me and others posting here that the filters on the test truck looked like ones from FASS, even with the names blurred out. They had the same dimensions, colouring, and black writing. I was looking at their system, but not anymore. I also have been looking at the system from SPE that you installed, but I was wondering if I installed it it could void my warranty. Thus, I think that I'll stick with the filters from Ford for now until at least the warranty is up.
FASS systems are terrible on 2017 superdutys and up. I ordered one and when I figured out it installed I sent it back. JUNK@@stevenjefferys10
The can that those filters sits in are metal and are capable of rusting out exactly like the FASS system. Anything that hold water will eventually rust unless it's made out of something that prevents it. The other thing is regular maintenance. Those filters looked like they hadn't been changed in quite some time so if you've already made the mistake of ditching the stock system you can at least make sure you regularly change the filters to prevent rust buildup in those metal cans.
@@SSfueled It seem to me that you don't know if CAT filters rust is unbelievable. Without doing any research on the subject I would bet they don't be a leader in diesel machinery.
Just ordered one, those that have them how are you liking them
Thank you for your business!
Could a small strainer at the pump inlet (like on TDIs) have caught the rust flakes from upstream?
Did this customer use any sort of additives?
Other then leaving the factory filtration in place, what’s the solution for the rust/water in the filters? Seems like there needs to be an addition of a water in fuel sensor and a drain. Wouldn’t that solve the rust build up issue?
That's a great idea. We prefer the factory filtration because it retains that feature.
Does the under hood filter have a steel mesh support liner or is it just plastic and pleats (similar yet different from the OEM undercab setup)? Just curious. This is great news to see though for the DCR pump.
That's part of the problem. The factory under hood filter was deleted in favor of the two aftermarket filters that created the rust. Retaining the stock under hood filter would have at least caught the rust.
Also has been running with a missing fuel cap for a year.😂
No kidding, that's what we thought when we first opened up the fuel system, haha. Unfortunately, what really happened is much more disturbing. All of the water likely came from an unknown fuel station as a result of traveling. He parked the truck shortly after and then went on vacation without any indication that there was water in it. The truck started acting up when he got back 2 weeks later and the video shows why. The owner of the Rusteater is quite particular when it comes to maintenance, which is exactly what motivated him to purchase an aftermarket filtration system that he thought was an upgrade over stock. Good thing he had a DCR in it.
Leave the stock filters on for safety. 3k and your back where you started. AWESOME!
Ok Fass time for you to chime in on this!
I was looking at doing my 2018 with the cat setup 265k miles only major crank seal leaking oil.
I have the same setup, top fuel delete kit, and fass 140 kit. Also a 2018 6.7.
Had the s&s prevention kit installed, removed filter setup but kept the fca block on the cp4 and the bypass line off of it.
Dealing with a crank, fire then instantly shutoff. Ran fine for about a week. Now it’s causing me issues.
Thinking about just going to a dcr setup….
As I have said before, the FASS system makes absoluely no sense after the 2016, 6.7.
I’m about to buy a new F-350. Never owned a diesel, always purchased gasoline converted to propane/gas combo. We had a cattle ranch but sold and now I have a construction company.
So…. A gasoline engine run on propane will be absolutely spotless clean inside. The oil will look clean even after 10,000 miles. That being said, you loose a lot of power with propane so when we pulled a very heavy trailer up to our ranch from the cities around us, we often switched to gasoline. Our ranch was at 4000-7000 ft msl and the cities around us were at 1000-1500’ msl.
So buying a diesel sends a lot of caution signs to my mind.
Hmmmm.....SPE & HSM fuel filter replacements??? Thanks much Luke...ARod, thoughts?
After seeing this video I won’t be doing it
That was a FASS fuel system
The SPE Cat filter kit retains the factory WIF sensor and puts it before the water separator, how well it works IDK, but the cat filter at least has the water drain valve on the bottom of the water separator so you can periodically drain it to check for water. Just FYI anyone with a stock 6.7 ford fuel system you should periodically drain your water separator after it's been sitting a for a few hours. This allows all the water to separate from the fuel and get drained out.
@@JaegerWrenching My question is: can the wif sensor do its job if it isn't located in the same place as were the water separation is occuring??🤔🤷
@@zekester1 I'd assume not, unless there is a large amount of water like someone dumped DEF in the fuel tank. This is why I tell all my customer to run the factory setup which is good for a decent bit of HP anyways.
Blurred but looks like FASS filters. Which makes sense due to the description of the replacement underside and removed top side stock setup. I always wondered how good those Air dog and FASS work. Had a Duramax LML before and a ton of those guys use them stock or modded trucks
I just wonder if it's more lack of maintenance? Due to the filters needed to be ordered in most cases, and cost, and supposed better filtration...do guys with those extend their replacement intervals?
Also, maybe if the water in fuel this person got was just an anomaly? Maybe
Maybe the use of a daily treatment would be good?
In this particular case, the truck owner is really good about changing filters; he changes fuel filters with every oil change. The filters in the video were installed in March of 2023 and we estimate that he got a bad batch of fuel sometime before April, and then went on vacation for a week. The amount of rust suggests that the truck was sitting for a while with water in it. Since it's his work truck, the only week it sat was during the vacation. We're thrilled that the DCR could have been eating rust and water for months and was still making pressure!
I am a huge fan of WIX filters.... and WIX diesel fuel filters are also white...... Could have been a specific brand system purchased and then a different filter used?
I never considered the metal inside the filters to actually be an issue. I was going to put the SPE filter system on, but decided against it after seeing this. If anything this was a PERFECT test for this new pump design, you couldn't have planned this any better. I wonder how the injectors are holding up.
I have the SPE filter system on my 2017 Superduty and think it is the best system. First it uses CAT filters that screen down to 1/2 microns verus Ford's filters. It doesnt use that crap filter that FASS use.
@@moosergs As long as the metal can can't rust when water gets in, then they are fine. I was considering the SPE but after seeing that the filters can rust if water gets in them I will stick with OEM, but ONLY OEM, no third party crap that looks like OEM.
The SPE system uses CAT filters that without knowing I would bet don't rust. CAT is a world leading in diesel equipment so I'm sure that CAT filters are the best filters available. Also, it's been mentioned in several other threads that the suspect filters that rusted in S & S video were from FASS. Just sayin.@@acdii
When can I get this DCR for my lml
We do not have any plans for a DCR for the LML as we already have the cp3 conversion which is tried and true! The CP3 is a very robust and reliable design!
Ironic that the filter MAKES debris..
We don't seem to have as many problems with CP4's up in alberta canada. Are these DCR's pretty much bulletproof? How may miles can I get out of one?
So far so good on the DCR that ate the rust and water. It is still running in the truck without issue. We don't have enough data to give you a service life estimate, since none have failed yet. The only catastrophic failure we have seen so far is when spinning it backwards on a test bench. The 6.7F DCR is designed to turn one way due to the offset of the plungers. The good news is that no debris was passed through the plungers. We only recommend running clean diesel through them, but there is at least one instance of a DCR handling water.
I find it crazy through four fing filters there is still a possibility of contamination going through the fuel pump
The filters were actually generating rust because of the water in the fuel. I’ve always been a fan of the factory setup for the better micron rating, factory drain and sensor. For higher hp setups once you have upgraded injectors or stroker/dual pumps I’ve always recommended run the aftermarket lift pump feeding the factory FCM.
How did the junk make it past both filters?
The parts before AND after the filter rusted. The rust didn't make it past the filters but rather rust formed on the parts that come after the filter so it went straight into the pump. What's more curious is why the injectors weren't damaged. The DCR has a small screen but it looked mostly empty of debris. Either way, rust didn't get past the filter is was created after the point of filtration within the filter itself.
Just curious, but how many miles between fuel filter changes on this truck?
Fuel filters were changed at every oil change. So about 7000 miles
@@danecrowder But how long did it take to go those 7k miles? It seems that kind of rust would take a bit of time to develop no?
they answered ........"SSfueled said,
7 months ago,
In this case, the truck owner changes the fuel filters with every oil change. It was just bad luck and he got a batch a fuel with water in it. These particular filters had roughly 5,000 miles and 3 months of use. The water did not shut the pump off, but the DCR and injectors handled it. We're glad it worked for you and not sure why it didn't for him."
i just ordered the dcr conversion kit for my 13 6.7 powerstroke yesterday. were building the truck and currently have it torn down. i have a fass system titanium series and disaster prevention kit to install on this build aswell but it looks like i might be better off to stick with the oem since ive decided to throw the DCR in while we have it apart. would you agree or do you think it would be fine to just put it all in? it will be mainly a daily drivable tow rig that can make a strong pull if needed. but not trying to make anything to crazy with it just looking for reliability and dependability.
Thank you for your business. The Disaster Prevention Kit is not compatible with the DCR and we prefer the factory supply pump and filtration system. That's what we run in both of our company-owned development trucks.
@@SSfueled ok great so the factory supplied pump and filter kit should be sufficient for any extra power or stress thrown at the truck? i purchased the fass system and disaster prevention kit prior to getting the DCR. and not knowing they were avalable at the time. so i can just sell them. but will the fass system work with the DCR?
@@roymooney2921The dcr isn't proven in any way in modified trucks. A better route is the RCD CPX stroker.
@@roymooney2921 I'm not sure how far along you have come on your build since it's been six months since your post, but to me the filters in the video that SS Fueled took out of the truck look like they came from FASS.
Just orders mine. Nice work fellas! Quite excited.
…now wait a second…that no drain water separator filter is “aviation grade” technology 😂
Airdog 165G!! CAT filter conversion and move on with life.
I'm looking at the Bosch conversion from RCD Performance. To me it makes more sense.
So how many hours and miles got put on the pump ?
12,600 miles total and 6,000 miles since the last fuel filter change back in March. Based on the amount of rust, we estimate that water was introduced sometime before April, when the truck sat for a week while the owner was on vacation. That's the only period of time that the truck has not been used daily.
@@SSfueled So if not a daily driver these systems are more susceptible to water?
@@FRZNTYM1 The frequency of use does not play much of a role in water contamination, but it does play a role in corrosion. In the case of this truck, the rust in the filter was very bad, which suggests that it sat with water in the filter for some time. Driving the truck will move fuel and water throughout the system, which is why we also saw rust formation on the return lines and inside of the pump. Water can cause issues either way. What really made the difference, in this case, was the DCR pump. It survived the water and rust, and is still running in the truck today... scored bushings and all. We've had reports of many CP4 warranties being denied due to fuel contamination, yet with a DCR it does not appear to be an issue.
How many miles were on those filters
3 months and roughly 6,000 miles
@@SSfueled wow, that's unfortunate to see. I've sold a lot of thos systems on older trucks. We have always told customers that it is unnecessary on their 6.7Ls though.
What is your guys recommendation for fuel filter change intervals? I've always done every other oil change, seems like every time I try to go longer there's always something that happens. Even my older mechanical diesels get the same treatment, and once I started owning newer common rail diesels I figured it's cheap insurance to keep the fuel system clean as I can. Maybe some areas have cleaner fuel, but I've always just noted that diesel is a dirty fuel, whether it be crap, algae or water.
We recommend the factory fuel filter service intervals which can be found here: www.fordservicecontent.com/Ford_Content/vdirsnet/OwnerManual/Home/Content?variantid=9071&languageCode=en&countryCode=USA&Uid=G2267560&ProcUid=G2207675&userMarket=USA&div=f&vFilteringEnabled=False&buildtype=web
Can these go on high output 6.7s?
Great question. We are currently testing a DCR on a 2023 HO model. We do not expect there to be any issues, but we want to make sure before selling DCRs for 2023 trucks.
@@SSfueled Not to take away from SS but I thought the HO 6.7 did not use a CP4?
@@tattooedmillionairHO is cp4
@@Kinginwar ohhh. Thank you. Here is where I went wrong: in another video, a Ford rep (Shawn Spannbauer) said (when discussing changes form 6.7l to the HO) "...increased displacement of the high-pressure fuel pump...", so to me that meant the cp4 was physically redesigned or replaced. Perhaps Ford is just using the same cp4 and pushing it harder?
Ford should take note of your pump. Ford would use cheaper materials and redesign the unit. Then blame you. Congratulations on your success!
I’ve replaced several RV valves due to rust buildup on screen!
Is the DCR compatible with a 22MY?
Not at this time, due to high-pressure line clearance. We are about 3 months out on a revised line.
Ford should buy your pumps to install at factory.
Well, im ordering one my 2023 has 1500 miles on it and im swapping!
Not sure if you'll read this comment since it's been 7 months since yours, but were you worried about voiding the Ford warranty? I ask because I also have a 2023, just bought last summer.
@@stevenjefferys10 I have a 24 H.O and already installed the DCR conversion just to be safe. Why people think an entire warranty is voided because of a single mod is beyond me. In this case the fuel pump warranty is the only thing voided. In order for Ford to be able to deny a warranty claim they have to prove it was a direct result of a given modification. Read up on the moss ferguson case. It is federal law that auto manufactuerers must honor their warranties regardless of after market modifications unless they can prove a specific modification caused the issue and even then they can only deny that specific claim. The warranty remains in effect for all other failures in all other systems on the truck.
Why dont people change their dang filters? I put 15k at most on my truck per year, oil, oil filter and both fuel filters 3 times a year, even if i put 10k on the truck, it still gets 3 services per year.
The filters were changed every oil change at 7k mile intervals.
Based on how bad the filters look, you would think they have never been changed, but that's what water can do. In actuality, the filters were changed in March of 2023 and he got bad fuel sometime after that. The truck sat for a week in April, while the owner was on vacation. That's likely when most of the corrosion occurred. While we don't know for sure, it's possible that the truck has been driving around with water in fuel for months. We're extremely happy with how well the DCR held up to it.
@@SSfueled if that's the case, running OEM is way better than aftermarket. Plastic no metal and you have a sensor. You can literally spend yourself into more breakdowns by thinking aftermarket is better, these companies just want your hard earned money. Drain the fuel/water separator once a month. These trucks require much more maintenance than most are willing to do.
@@betterthanideserve76 Agreed. 👍
@@SSfueled and I was one of the skeptics on the OCR, I will purchase one for myself as a Christmas present from my wife. I appreciate the hard work your team has done on getting this sore thumb item sorted out
so lessons learned -- stop deleting factory safety equipment thinking the Internet knows better!
Well fass sales just went down but then again the product is made in china but the question remains what do we do
What I heard is… keep your factory plastic fuel filters!!! They are plastic for a reason.
Not a good ad for FASS!
i appreciate the video, i plan to update to the dcr pump an get rid of the cp4. but, an i mean BIG BUT, how do you get corrosion? its a closed system if it wasn't a closed system it would leak correct!?! To have corrosion you need air!, yes the tank filter could have gotten air based on filling up traping air. BUT! ALL other fuel components would not have air introduced to the fuel, hence no corrosion, just water! too much water (not run), no rust. BASIC SCIENCE GUYS AN GALS
H2O, the o stands for oxygen!
@lewisbolman7862 good lord guy, no kidding. Go get a steel gas tank, or metal tank of any size. Put water in it an seal it!. Let me know if it rusts inside.
I am really disappointed to learn these pumps are manufactured in China 🇨🇳 and not here in the United States. 🇺🇸🇺🇸
We're right there with you. It would be ideal for the DCRs to be 100% made in the USA, and maybe one day they will be. DCRs were originally made in China when we first released the Ford 6.7L DCR Pump Conversion. Since then, we have created a large enough market for the DCR in the USA that Stanadyne has built a DCR assembly line in Blythewood, South Carolina. While many of the components are still made in China, the assembly, end of line testing, and quality control are done in the USA. Even the pump bodies are forged in the USA. It's not uncommon for a global company to use a global supply chain. The main takeaway is that Stanadyne is a reputable company with locations all over the world. Since the DCR was originally developed for engines in the Asian market, that's where the original plant was built. Thankfully, a young engineer working in a US branch discovered that the DCR would fit in the valley of the 6.7 Power Stroke. That engineer insisted on working with S&S to develop a variant specifically for the 6.7 Ford and the rest is history. We have complete confidence in the DCR and will continue to grow the demand so that we can help bring even more manufacturing, than we already have, back to the USA. Here's a link to a video tour of the plant in South Carolina: ruclips.net/video/y8IOhefx4Sw/видео.htmlsi=RE1j3AW7UaKZ2Yy7
Step 1: Blame the Fxss pump
Step 2: use a Milwaukee impact battery as a hammer to dissemble the pump you are trying to promote.
Lol is this for real ??
Absolutely for real. We know it's really hard to believe that the thing that's supposed to stop the water and rust, created the rust and let the water through. We're just showing what we found. Furthermore, everybody knows that a Milwaukee impact doubles as a hammer, that's common knowledge.
get air dog or cat filters?
Cat
AirDog filter system sucks. FASS is the best fuel filter system.
I have installed many FASS systems. They seem great, until I saw this video.... it looks like when there was more than usual water if failed terribly.
Both suck.
I really dislike this company. They have had so many versions on disaster kits. I bet this whole company was mostly built off of consumer fear. I purchased their first version of disaster kits for almost $400 bucks only to be told…oh this may not work. Buy our version 2. Whatever! Just wait I bet it won’t be long before this DCR Is in the same boat.
It would be easy to hide this comment, but we would rather talk about it. We want all of our customers to like us and feel good about their purchase. We first developed the Disaster Prevention Kit in 2016 and it has been proven to work on many occasions. We improved the design in 2021 when we discovered a potential way that it could allow some debris into the high-pressure system. We are a company founded and lead by fuel system engineers, if we discover a way to improve, we will. It's not our goal to force people to buy the latest version, yet innovation is at our core. Since 2012, S&S has been built off of our expertise and innovation in modern diesel fuel systems, for competition and durability alike. Fear has nothing to do with our success, yet trust does. Our customers trust us to provide the best solution, even if it obsoletes the previous one. We truly feel it when you say you dislike us because we are passionate about the products we design and manufacture.
Its easy copy SPE
@@SSfueled
It's unfortunate that you'd make this type of comment about a company as dedicated to quality and service as S&S. I suggest your beef is and should be with Ford for using a known weak problematic fuel pump. Venting on people like S&S who are the only one's trying to help you doesn't seem productive. What you basically said is that you bought something that worked, was later improved and now has an available permanent preventative fix. Yourcomment is proof that you can't please some people no matter how you hard you try no matter what you do.
@@SSfueled I only know one thing about S & S is that you guys like cutting OEM fuel lines which is something I would never have done. I would worry that by cutting fuel lines you could introduct metal shaving into the system. I would install the SPE system which does not cut fuel lines.