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Colorado Experience: Native Horses
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The history of our country has always been told from the colonizers’ perspective. One mythology is that horses integrated into Native American cultures after the Pueblo Revolt of 1680, but the truth was found hiding in plain sight - in both oral histories and the bones of Native horses. Archaeologists and Native Americans come together to retell the story of the horse.
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Whats important is they are here now. Part of our history and deserve to be treated with respect and protected. Not killed.
I don't get it why WOKENESS should be inserted into everything. It's a simple question - Is there any horse bones found older than 1492 anywhere in the Americas or not?
No. But here PBS and a bunch of others wage their sanctimonious self-righteous fingers - while being wholly in denial.
NO..!! IF there were tribes with horses it definitely would've been noted by the Europeans. Not only that but horse equipped tribes would've ruled very large tracts of territory. Horse use in the eastern US would've been of limited value. Its the Plains Indians that truly revolutionized life and warfare once they got enough horses.
They usually stole them from any group, native or Euros didn't matter. Lot of the tribal killing was over horses. The horses also allowed the Comanches (best example) to range further and steal more horses. Sort of a force multiplier.
Its utterly incredible, but not surprising, that such a solid historical fact would be the target of a fairy tale attempt.
Add: frankly the smaller Plains tribes are lucky the Comanche did not get horsed up any earlier in history. As nasty and brutal as they were to most other Indians, there likely would've been fewer tribes still existing when the first French trappers/explorers ventured out west. Before horses the Apache were constantly brutalizing the Comanche, as were Navajos. Horses came and the Apache headed for the hills for cover.
When I was a child I lived for a couple of years in Russel Gulch with my family. There were wild horses nearby, and it was a given that they had always been there before europeans ever arrived. Such majesty to hear and watch them thunder dusty trials through the valley. A most awe inspiring memory, forever recorded in my head.
Thats true we ate them into extinction about 10.000 years ago.
@@arniecockerill676 Interesting.
@@arniecockerill676 Down to 3800 years now.
We wish.
Beautiful 🤩 my love of horses began at the age of 8 yrs. old. They speak to my heart and soul.❤️🥰
incredibly misleading. Pre Pueblo Revolt (1680) is still post Columbian Discovery (1492). The Aztec and Inca certainly had no knowledge of horses when the Spanish got there and if Spanish horses were used by Native people prior to late 17th century they were still Spanish horses.
Horses and camels were native to the Americas then went extinct for eons. These animals were hunted by giant flightless birds that were also extinct long before anything humanoid left a mark in the west. It's astounding that people in the Americas did so well without them for so long. Along with horses came pigs, but domestic dogs were here before.
What about the geologic events that buried a horse that deep in the last few hundred years?
I don't know why finding evidence of horses before the Pueblo Horse stealing, and when they killed the priests is so important. 40 years before? The Spanish had been to Californi and Colorado 100 years before this.
Notice when the Natives would attack whites (or in this situation the Missionary Priests) its called an up rising. 🤣 But anytime whites would retaliate its called a massacre. The do
Unfortunately Rocky Mountain PBS has an extremely woke, leftist agenda. I wish they would just stick to the facts and leave their leftist agenda out of it.
So far, though: no bones from before 1500, right?
I notice of prehistoric horses, but not modern horses.
Correct. Horses are not native to the Western Hemisphere. They were not here until Europeans brought them.
@@4runnercolorado422 Horses and camels both originated in the Americas, but somehow walked away???
@@steffski1946 anything to denigrate the Whites, huh? Actually no. You’re referring to a similar, but different species.
@@4runnercolorado422 Ahem. WRONG.
The horse and the dog are indeed similar. They work with us and support us.
I remember calling horses “big dogs” as a child, due to not knowing the name back then. Imagine my chuckle when I found out many native Americans also closely associated horses with dogs
Can't DNA be examined in horse remains & fossils & compared to known breeds of horses worldwide? Wouldn't that answer questions about origin of modern horses in NA today?
Yes. And they trace back to the Spanish Barb horses. This is silly
Ummmm ... yes. And what we can prove with DNA is that horses in North America are descended primarily from the horses that came with Spanish conquistadors. Further, it is clear that almost immediately, the conquistadors lost their horse monopoly. Herds grow exponentially and people are not dumb. The use of horses was transformational, and fast. Just as smallpox raced through populations that had never seen Europeans, horsemanship caught on without Europeans present.
@@alicefreist318 so.. Escaped/stolen/lost Spanish horses that became feral were caught, trained & bred by indigenous ppl. That's always been the story I knew. Before that horses had been earlier the sectors versions in NA
Absolutely
Here's a copy of my comment, that helps understand the broader subject:
*"The Perspective of a Sociologist/Historian"*
*I felt this and knew this to be emerging: Truth of History, unfolding rapidly, through the value of Genetics/DNA Testing and the Awakening of the Collective, aided through the expansion of the Collective Consciousness.*
My degrees are in: "Sociology, History, and Journalism" with additional Post Grad Studies.
(I have discovered a variety of subjects to be inaccurate in the areas of Archaeology and History, challenging to my own Logic, History sources, the Artifacts, and Remains, structures that are misclassified and misdated.)
I have, for some time, felt the greater facts would be aided by turning to the Native Peoples, Indigenous Populations, in the Americas and the Eastern Countries, to gather the greater facts. The stories simply require greater clarity in their Interpretations.
The key points to the current inaccuracies in the stories written as History are the Influence of the "Human Ego Mind, aka Lower Mind"; the influence of the same in earlier times with History being largely written by the Victors; the influence of the Roman Emperor Model (the standard of warring aggression for Ownerships); + the Roman Model of Religion; and then the same attitudes and behaviors influencing the Scientific Model, superceding their own "Standards of Science and Research", as found in the Darwinian Model, the Mainstream Academics/Archaeologists using a *"19th Century Theory as the foundation and linear timeline for the Paradigm of Modern Humans", and using this as a Tool of Measure to ignore, destroy, and attack finds that don't support their Paradigm.*
Further, in relation to this Paradigm, the same Energies of Thoughts remain largely from the "Ego Mind, aka Lower Mind, aka Adolescent Mind".
Wisdom is found in the Higher Mind, aka Mature Mind, where all Positive Thought Energies reside. Likewise, from this perspective the "Standards of Science and Research" originated, and the Authentic Academics follow these Standards consistently.
Many of the se whom follow Mainstream Academics, do so out of fear, and of course, all that f the fear based, negative thoughts are found in the Ego Mind, aka Lower Mind.
I'm a Sociology Behavioralist, and Behaviors speak far louder than words. *" I follow the Standards of Science and Research."*
Beth Bartlett
December 4, 2023
There IS only one truth. Man, originated in Africa. Horses came to America via Spain.
I am aa native Coloradan and so love learning this history. Thanks for and excellent video!
Native?
What Tribal Nation are you again?
This is not about Europeans in Colorado.
-COMANCHE NATION
@@thechiefwildhorse4651 You people migrated here too. We just came a little later, and we won. Put that in your peace pipe and smoke it.
@@4runnercolorado422
My cousins from the southern border are laughing at white European people in America lol
-COMANCHE NATION
I’m local, and love native history, thats what he meant to say😊
@@4runnercolorado422what a weird thing to say
The white guilt in this video is almost painful.
The Spanish brought the first horses over, the Indians didn't have horses before that.
Actually they brought the first STDS
How did they bring horses lol
-COMANCHE NATION
Yep and thank goodness they stopped exploring when they hit Plymouth Rock or they would have fallen off the edge!
@@thechiefwildhorse4651 There IS only one truth. Man, originated in Africa. Horses came to America via Spain. And there was no Comanche "Nation".
@@billhosko7723
Donald Trump Lost and the southern border is open Making America Brown Again.
-COMANCHE NATION
It amazes me that in north america we ate all our horses. And had to wait for the spain to bring them back.
😂😂🍻
Fyi ... the new world horses that went extinct were barely recognizable as horses. They were more different from modern horses than donkeys are from modern horses.
Boy, you ticked many off with the fact.
Thanks ❤horses are the best ❤
Need to find horse skeleton that is pre-1400 to prove conclusively that the horse survived the ice age extinction. This extinction is puzzling. How the horse could die out and then be so successful is weird.
Make-believe is common among many.
Beautifully done...
EXCELLENT VIDEO
Comanches stole horses from the Spaniards and became a great power among the other plains Indians who did not have the horses at that time.
One cannot place a true value as to the worth of horses to the progress of man, all mankind here in north America. So true in other parts of the world also. Before combustion with metal the greatest form of transportation was by way of the horse. Like comparing today's world with the auto or truck. If we don't have one our lives are fairly limited as to what one can do and how mobile their live are limited to. The horse was priceless and toany today the same..today's form of transportation is the primary reason the world is slowly being decimated along with all it's resources. The natural way is always the safest way the other way seems to move man into a self destruction because it has developed into greed and laziness
The photo in the thumbnail and the beginning of the video of the man on horseback is Nez Perce and in the PNW, specifically the Columbia Basin where I’m from. Makes me question the accuracy of any of the examples you used.
The specifically reference the Nex Percent in the very beginning.
The horses are part of the Native American history, thanks to the Spaniards who brought them.
Horses and camels were native to the American continent since at least the ice age. Surely it is feasible that some of the horses survived whatever catastrophe killed off the megafauna that they were part off (animals weighing over 100lbs, I believe) and included giant ground sloths.
There are many accounts of Spanish immigrants saying there were more than enough horses in certain areas. too many even.documented.I believe there's enough evidence to support that there was in fact horse's long before the Spanish came
@@omar-uu8qo Could you give us a link to this information, thanks.
@@hetrodoxly1203 Why? So you could delete the source?
@@90blackrock How could i, there isn't any.
This is something that has the potential to be true people. You all need to open your eyes and your minds. Archeological dating has gotten a whole lot better than it was.
Then listen to the dates they actually give in this documentary because they provide no evidence Native Americans riding horses prior to 350 years ago. This video talks about all the test it could run and data it could collect but the only data or test results they actually share with you offer no evidence to suggest their point. They just say it with confidence and hope you won’t do the math. This emperor has no clothes on folks.
Woah PBS all horses in America are from the Old World, we have genetic evidence of this. It's the same way we know dogs were not introduced to these lands because of the deep cultural and genetic impact they have in the Native culture.
The horse evolved in North America
@@RonJacksonToahani There IS only one truth. Man, originated in Africa. Horses came to America via Spain.
Horses and camels were native to the American continent since at least the ice age. Surely it is feasible that some of the horses survived whatever catastrophe killed off the megafauna that they were part off (animals weighing over 100lbs, I believe) and included giant ground sloths.
Well Indigenous People are literally on every continent
We are first everywhere
-COMANCHE NATION
Nope. That’s not it.
Hhhhheeeeee!! 🪓
No…didn’t happen
No, they did not. No horse fossils are known between Pleistocene extinction and Spanish arrival, and existing horses are 100% European in ancestry.
Very speculative,
Entirely misleading was their goal.
In the CSI arena its called trying make the evidence fit a narrative. Very bad mark on anyone trying to pose as a "professional" something.
Very interesting. Thanks.
I wonder if there are any known Native American rock carvings or petroglyphs of domesticated pre Columbian era horses.
If the horses have been in North America where were they on the East coast early? Horses are perfectly happy in Maryland and Kentucky.
Europeans brought them to the colonies. They love Kentucky bluegrass, guess its like candy to them. We had a couple acres of bluegrass amidst the pasture and they found it. It was always kept very short by the horses. FWIW this was in northern Iowa.
Conquistadors DeSoto, Coronado, etc had horses when they explored the North American interior. Perhaps some escaped, were traded, or stolen ?
Exactly
The whole point of this show is that there were indigenous peoples in the Americas *who already had horses*.
Horses orginated in the Americas.
There's no *real* reason to believe none lived through the ice ages.
Seriously, the level of horsemanship in some First Nations would be difficult to achieve in a generation or two of humans.
What we're seeing now in TikTok girls jumping courses and trail riding bridleless is only now becoming a phenomenon instead of an anomoly in *mainstream* culture.
I can think of a thousand reasons American Mustangs would pack so much Spanish blood. Only one of them, and not the top of my list, would be that there were no horses here in the Americas before the Spanish came.
We've already learned that there was contact between different continents throughout our history.
No-one brought horses before the conquistadores? That's an outdated hill.
That is exactly how the native americans aquired horses.. exscaped horses multiplied to millions in a short time as they had little competition for food... natives they were quick to adopt them for travel and hauling and eating. One thing you may not know is that native americans did not fight in battle on horses. This is how they are shown in movies but no recorded battle ever tells of native americans in battle on horseback.
@@jennifersilves4195 Horsemanship isn't inherited. It's learned. Anyone with inclination and physical prowess, dexterity, motivation and knowledge of a horses mind can become a great rider. It was clear to natives that the horse could be highly valuable to their ability to travel, hunt and fight so it they were highly motivated to master horsemanship.
Horses evolved in North America, traveled the baring straight then went extant during the Pleistocene, so, they are American horses after all, if you go back long enough. Early Americans did come across these horses during the ice age, but only hunted them I believe?
I am 53%indigenous Indian from Mexico born in LA I love hearing Indian history.
My ancestors were Northern European and stole Native American land. I rode across fields as a young girl and even then I knew there was a deep history. I felt. I have remained deeply interested in the First Americans, from what little I can glean from- sadly- white history. I believe there is such a thing as a guilt passed down generations, like trauma. I can only have these inadequate puny words
@@junebrilly5302 Man, originated in Africa. Horses came to America via Spain.
@@billhosko7723 I know that, what's your point?
Fascinating research and history..
There IS only one truth. Man, originated in Africa. Horses came to America via Spain.
Creation of horses has been with us we all together here around the globe 🌐 and knowing your songs from feet foot legs and it's goes up to Created ❤
Thank you so much for this!
Through out this hole video they don’t show one thing that proves !!!!! That Native American were riding horses before the Spanish brought them here some stories the olds bones they have are only 350 years old if they we here before then in the numbers their ‘STORES’ talk about there would be MORE 🤯🤯🤯🤯
There are no native horses in the Americas when Europeans first arrived, they went extinct 10,000 years ago. The horse here to day were brought here by Europeans after Columbus. Someone is trying to rewrite history. Another fact Indians used dogs to haul things and they ate them as well. Oxen, horses and other animals used in the past for transportation and cultivating the land did not exist here until after the Europeans came. It is one reason that the native americans were so far behind the Europeans in development. One fact that is interesting is that the Aztecs made toys for their children that had wheels on them yet there is no trace of wheels being used in the Americas before Columbus... Why... no animals to pull a wheeled cart. Now there were buffalo but like most animals in Africa, buffalo could not be tamed.
Wow… you really don’t think the Indians were smart enough to pick up horsemanship in 40 years? Clearly the Native Americans figured out that horses were a huge boon and were quick studies. The implication that horses were wandering North America before the Spaniards brought them is just foolish. It doesn’t take anything away from Native Americans that the horse was brought from the Old World.
Ohh yesss it does... Politics baby. They will not admit they were wholly on foot. And canoe when needed.
My great grandfather told of a time when Apache.warriors rode horses with metal armor and those horses were 20 feet tall. Why not.
Judy Barnes doesn't realize that the Spanish Iberian IBE genetic marker went extinct in the old world (Spain) 5,000 years ago. So those wild horses on Wild horse Mesa didn't cross the ocean with any explorer's. They were already here
13:06 I really thought they were about to play the songs.
The result of archaeologists with an agenda trying to prove it.
It is IMPERATIVE to note that something is typically only considered a fossil if it is, at minimum, 10,000 yrs old. So, when ppl say something 'disappears' from the fossil record around 10,000 yrs ago...that is not conclusive proof that it actually went extinct or 'disappeared' at all.
Yes, they should say no remains were found after whatever the date was, can't recall, which is of course the case.
Horses were introduced to the Americas before the pueblo revolt, but during the conquistadors first incursions into the continent.
Horses were here already. Not all Tribes were using them.
Copy of my comment:
*"The Perspective of a Sociologist/Historian"*
*I felt this and knew this to be emerging: Truth of History, unfolding rapidly, through the value of Genetics/DNA Testing and the Awakening of the Collective, aided through the expansion of the Collective Consciousness.*
My degrees are in: "Sociology, History, and Journalism" with additional Post Grad Studies.
(I have discovered a variety of subjects to be inaccurate in the areas of Archaeology and History, challenging to my own Logic, History sources, the Artifacts, and Remains, structures that are misclassified and misdated.)
I have, for some time, felt the greater facts would be aided by turning to the Native Peoples, Indigenous Populations, in the Americas and the Eastern Countries, to gather the greater facts. The stories simply require greater clarity in their Interpretations.
The key points to the current inaccuracies in the stories written as History are the Influence of the "Human Ego Mind, aka Lower Mind"; the influence of the same in earlier times with History being largely written by the Victors; the influence of the Roman Emperor Model (the standard of warring aggression for Ownerships); + the Roman Model of Religion; and then the same attitudes and behaviors influencing the Scientific Model, superceding their own "Standards of Science and Research", as found in the Darwinian Model, the Mainstream Academics/Archaeologists using a *"19th Century Theory as the foundation and linear timeline for the Paradigm of Modern Humans", and using this as a Tool of Measure to ignore, destroy, and attack finds that don't support their Paradigm.*
Further, in relation to this Paradigm, the same Energies of Thoughts remain largely from the "Ego Mind, aka Lower Mind, aka Adolescent Mind".
Wisdom is found in the Higher Mind, aka Mature Mind, where all Positive Thought Energies reside. Likewise, from this perspective the "Standards of Science and Research" originated, and the Authentic Academics follow these Standards consistently.
Many of the se whom follow Mainstream Academics, do so out of fear, and of course, all that f the fear based, negative thoughts are found in the Ego Mind, aka Lower Mind.
I'm a Sociology Behavioralist, and Behaviors speak far louder than words. *" I follow the Standards of Science and Research."*
Beth Bartlett
December 4, 2023
@@bethbartlett5692 I hear a lot of pointing out inaccuracies and talking about higher minds, but neither you or this “documentary” have provided any evidence whatsoever
Did not Darwin discover ancient horse teeth in Argentina?
@@bethbartlett5692 There IS only one truth. Man, originated in Africa. Horses came to America via Spain.
This is so educational thank you so much I love horses
It's also not true, but fiction can be fun!
Don't use this show as historical reference. Its an embarrassment.
LONG LIVE THE QUAGGA!
buen video pro no aclara la versión de los caballos antes de la llegada de los españoles. Habrá que hacer una investigación a fondo para aclarar el tema de una vez. Busque restos arqueológicos y dátenlos con datos científicos para que el estudio sea serio.
How did they never figure out about the wheel? The medicine wheel in Wyoming is thousands of years old, yet the idea never clicked.
Thank you so much for this documentary! This is truly amazing because this proves that mustangs are native and should be recognized as a native species and be protected from harassment. This is their land and they deserve to be wild and free not in federal long term holding. Stop the roundups!
Then move back to Arica. Cradle on man.
I don't know why, but I feel I can breathe easier now given the insightful information as to the truth, the deep truth of the origins of the Americas' equines and the horse peoples who mastered the husbandry many ages prior to any other culture setting foot on these lands.
THANK YOU ALL!!!
For your research and dedication to the majestic and beautiful horses of the Americas whom are very much a part of the history of this country as much as the indigenous tribes that cared for them as much as the Rocky Mountains that all began here....
¡MUNCHO GRACIAS!
Not possible. Horses have only existed in North America for less than 500 years when they were imported by the Spanish.
Lies based on not reading the true chronicles, the American historians twisting the Spanish Conquest.
No horses in the Americas.
There is no doubt is a bad version of Hollywood.
@@angelagonimavalero7700 Stories do not line up with facts.
Not a single Native American rode horseback before Europeans arrived. This is an absolute fact
@@superjesus4307 That is a lie! Horses were in America from ANCIENT times!!
I'm Irish ,I've been fascinated by frist nations americans.. did horses already exist in Americas before white men? So much history needs retelling by the true natives of America, who love that land.. mind body and soul..
No
Man, originated in Africa. Horses came to America via Spain.
live in the san luis valley, and I find very very archaic arrowheads and tool's. Did these people have the horse? I basically at the foot of mount Blanca, colorado.
No…even in the San Luis Valley…
5 minutes in and i have heard more "ism" than at a clan rally .
Horses probably started to spread well before 1680 across SW North America…maybe in the late 1500’s as they were stolen or got loose…
Still Natives Americans did not domestic them till they were reintroduced to the americas
Not to mention Colorado has about the most spectacular Terrain, can just Imagine the Sheer Strength of those Ancient wild Breeds of Horses 🐎
A lot of these horses live in Western Colorado and are managed by BLM. They claim, they're just feral horses. Every year they round up many of them. A lot end up in slaughter houses in Mexico 😡
Gods... if I only had a time machine! I would try to trade for a trio and have trail horses with velcro for feet practically!
le peuple amérindiens une très belle nations et tribus.
This is a propaganda film. PBS should be ashamed
Yeup typical pbs woke prigramm
The Native American culture is poorly understood if understood at all. When I was growing up in the late 40's and 50's the bad guy was always the "Indian". At least that was what Hollywood told us. Even in school I was not educated about our Native Americans. Only study, reading and speaking to them have I learned a little. I am now approaching 80 and have little time to undertake such a study. I can only hope that a few or many will teach us about who was here first, that they had a very involved culture that continues to endure even today. My grandparents came from Russia, but I have always felt a kind of kinship to our natives.
I guess you never saw "The Lone Ranger" then.
It was not ONE culture, but many different cultures, just as was the case in Europe. In the distant past all of the modern day European countries were filled with many diverse groups with different cultures, customs and languages, just as with Native Americans.
Horses are not native, they were imported by the Spanish.
Yeah that’s what I said, but I think that’s what they’re trying to say, that there where native horses not from the old world, but I don’t believe that and besides all of the horses in Colorado today are Ferrell not “wild”.
Research this more, because I've seen people who went to Mongolia, and took dna from Appaloosa horses there, and found that they were a match for those the Nes Perce tribe breed.
@@ForrestAnna
Yes there are so many images of the spotted horse on cave walls. These drawings are so much like the Appaloosa even showing their "rat" tails.
@@ForrestAnna Research this more, horses were spread around the world through trade routes for thousands of years. Nearly all common horses share dna. Horses in the USA have existed here less than 500 years because their ancestors were brought on boats from Europe. True native horses died out long before humans ever set foor the continent.
@@superjesus4307 New world equines did not die out before people got here, but they were all gone by 10,000 to 8,000 years ago.
Without studying the Spanish history, nope, only speculations.
Too much romance in this opinion.
What do native American written records say?
Native Americans didn’t write their languages, only after the Spanish arrived, the friars learned their languages, developed their grammar and a written language.
I hope they are not going to start saying how bad the Spaniards were. Actually, they thought the hunters the agricultural skills, arts and crafts, besides the Spanish language.
The indigenous peoples of the northern hemisphere of the Americas passed down stories from one generation to another by telling of stories.
If written documents of their history ever existed, we may never know...
they did leave some forms of writing on their dwellings, lodges, clothes, baskets and such but it was mostly about that individual's background or life.
Please correct me if I am wrong...
You mean the ones that were BURNT by the romans/priests??
@@90blackrock Are there any written records?
Natives, like Africans, failed to develop a written language. They also never invented a wheel, constructed multi-story buildings, etc. These groups are less evolved than Europeans and Asians. Just a fact.
Let's preserve the wild equine treasures on our public lands b4 they're gone.Please BLM please please.
I love horses
Would not have thought the blond haired blue eyed man was native, looks like a typical European. i guess it’s what you connect with.
4:19 that is some vicious bit. Wow, I have never seen anything like it. A Native American design that the Spanish had never seen before.
That’s a Spanish spade bit. The metal ring took the place of a curb chain.
@@UpSideDownDog52 Not a spade but a Cheleno or commonly called, a ring bit.
It looks very uncomfortable for the horse. Wherever it came from ...
@@TightwadTodd Yes, a very vicious bit. It can break a horses jaw.
There are some really vicious cruel bits in existence. I prefer a snaffle bit or no bit at all.
Kennewick Man was there before the horses and the Indians.
"Kennewick man" was an ancestor to the Nez Perce.
@@awake8794 No but they confiscated his remains anyway.
@@franks.2544 😆....OK
@@franks.2544his remains were given back to the tribe from that area, weren't they? I thought I heard that they were presented to the after analysis
@@kathleenmartin7498 The analysis was never completed but most scientists who studied the skeletal remains believed they were Caucasian. The federal govt. simply gave into native/tribal demands at the time.
Very tendentious and incoherent program.
pretty sure the true native american horses went extinct during the mega volcano eruption(which caused a lot of extinctions for the americas, including the american camels). i am also pretty sure that europeans(along with any who could sail a boat and make it to the americas), had been trading with tribes of the americas for hundreds of years bringing their horses with them, even before recorded history. So, yeah. I do believe Native Americans had horses before anyone who wrote history came along.
There IS only one truth. Man, originated in Africa. Horses came to America via Spain.
But the horses they are talking about are of Spanish descent they did DNA this story is just Native Americans wanting to say that they didn’t come from Europe so they can say they are the first horse people archaeology and DNA proves it
I believe that some of the petroglyphs and pictographs around northern Arizona depict horses. They have dated those back about 4000 years.
Horses were not here then. Period. You "believe" otherwise all you want.
@@billhosko7723 Archaeologists are down to 3800 now.
I believe the theory that warriors did not ride mares, is incorrect. Crazy Horse's family has wrote that Crazy Horse had a mare he used for hunting.
Mares make better war horses because they are less likely to vocalize and give up your position. Ask any Bedouin.
@@alicefreist318 We prefer mares over gledings and studs for working cattle and roping , so this makes perfect sense to me. Mares are better on their feet and are harder workers.
@@rachstrom7702 I spent my "formative years" with a 1/2 Arab, 1/2 Welsh babysitter. I may be biased, but I prefer to just think I'm right.
There IS only one truth. Man, originated in Africa. Horses came to America via Spain.
Is it possible that this was a result of trade in mesoamerica? The benefits cannot be understated. Seems like there could have been extensive trade between Spaniards, Aztecs, and native people well before the Pueblo Revolt. Sure the lack of surface tin and copper could explain why the native people were stuck in thr stone age, but lack of large beasts of burden could also explain this. Large scale farming beyond subsistence farming just isn't possible without draft animals. Without that surplus your societal energies can't as easily be devoted to endeavors not related in the gathering of survival specific resources.
a question. why we're the natives stuck in the stone age? what kind of foots and objects of whorship have they developed, that white US americans consumes so naturally today? at least, they knew what hygiene and body care are! i'm just saying WATER!!!!
They weren't stuck in the stone age!! They were CITIES built before Columbus, aka the arrival of romans...!! But after the genocide they became like in the stone age...
Surface copper around the Great Lakes was used for thousands of years, look up Old Copper Complex
@Doug Weller pure copper makes a poor tool. Early stone age societies need tin to make bronze.
@@JessRenee91481 By heating, annealing and hammering, these cultures worked the copper into shape and produced a variety of spearpoints, tools and decorative objects.
If you are speaking about any of the horses that we see today on the landscape then science has proven beyond any doubt what so ever that Native Americans had no horses- none - zero- zip before the Spanish arrived in North America. So this video is flat out wrong.. You need to deal with reality not with wishful thinking. Magical thinking is nonsense.
best
Bruce Peek
Bravo, Bruce, agree 100%. I don’t know how this kind of misinformation is out there, with all these wannabe historians or archeologists/activists saying non senses. People believe this kind of fake information and end up with no knowledge of the facts.
i remember i saw a great movie in the late 70s where a indian boy met a horse for the first time (maybe it had escaped from the spanish invaders. He befriended the horse an took it back to his tribe, and it made a great impression
Horses are not a native species in the Western Hemisphere. They were not here until Europeans brought them when we came over to take our land from the Indians. The Indians also migrated here across the Bering Strat. We just came later. And we defeated them and took the land by right of conquest as has happened all throughout history. The Indians did the same thing to each other as well.
Well kind of, horses evolved in North America first, spread across to Asia, went extinct in North America, then were primarily reintroduced by the Spanish to North America in the 1500’s.
@@billhillify4924 Cool... and they even swam to Asia...
Those are colonizer horses. Let’s be real.
I'm guessing PBS television is the same regardless of where you are in the US. Meaning, I assume as usual you guys did your homework. So thank you for the new information, it was quite interesting, thumbs up. John from philly.
There IS only one truth. Man, originated in Africa. Horses came to America via Spain.
PBS went woke long ago.
The First Nations can only account stories that others tell them to remember. Only since the Spanish arrival, there is a true account of the introduction of horses and running lose in the prairies, becoming wild.
Who cares about the lying "account"?? Natives have ALWAYS had horses!!
I'm sorry but just because we refuse to share our written language and stories with you doesn't mean you get to say how Indigenous teach one another
-COMANCHE NATION
@@thechiefwildhorse4651 are you claiming a secret written language. Keeping a secret like that if thousands know it is impossible. And do other Native Americans agree the Comanche were first?
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Don't try to divide and conquer Karen lol
All Indigenous agree Indigenous are First People.
Why don't you shut down our underground facility with our written documents then?
Bet you didn't know about that place.
All 3 of those generations of your family didn't keep tabs on Indigenous People and now we went and did what we wanted lol
-COMANCHE NATION
@@thechiefwildhorse4651 I didn't realise you were joking about written documents. Yes, Indigenous peoples are culturally distinct ethnic groups whose members are directly descended from the earliest known inhabitants of a particular geographic region
I've been saying for years that the horse never went extinct in America, and I'm so happy scientists are working on proving it now.
I think this is sooo cool.
There is history that has been lost. I agree that when European people came here, they felt more superior because the cultures were so different. Such a wrong attitude.
We need to look at this and other archeological evidence to really tell the story. Americans want to know what happened and who are the people, the animals and culture before the Europeans. Europe is rich in history, we want a rich history too. We don't live in that age of only one culture can be correct. Most people know the history books are wrong. But where do we find the facts, the true history?
Very interesting, thanks for sharing.
Wrong, what happened, most of the Native Americans were still in the Neolithic period and The Spanish Kingdom was the most advanced of their time in Europe.
Rome didn’t conquered its Empire out of nothing, if it wasn’t for its advanced civilization, inherited from Greece.
Let’s instead say that when the English arrived, they wanted to destroy the Native Americans and they did despised them, treating them like “savages”. The Spanish never did that, on the contrary, they mixed with the Indians, and that is an overwhelming fact that nobody can deny. That is why, we people from the America conquered by Spain are “mestizos”. That includes the Southwest States, which part of Spain, and after, part of Mexico.
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Actually Europeans brought the first STDS and smallpox.
Their hair fell out like it still does lol
There is still nothing more advanced about Caucasians considering all the world's disease still starts with you people.
Amber Heard is the best representation of Caucasians to go down in history
-COMANCHE NATION
@@angelagonimavalero7700 this is a crock! There are archives that discribe the cruelty of the Spanish! No one invited the ships of horror! The Americas were very advanced. The 365 day calendar is based on our calculations. The Natives taught the Michilan man about rubber. We had one of the most sophisticated observatory in the world! Read a history or science book! The only thing the European had over us, were guns and a lot of evil greed!
@@angelagonimavalero7700 they mixed by force! Columbus was tried and found guilty of sins against humanity! It's documented! Not just the Spanish were violent towards the Natives, so were the Afros!! After all the riches Columbus took and gave to the crown, not even the queen could stomach what the Fryers and others wrote and said. It's tru history, documented! Not talking culture vultures BS!!
@@angelagonimavalero7700 chopping the foot off of Acoma Pueblo Indians men for practicing their religion in NM sounds like they were so nice.
Okay. Right from the first line this is BS. "From the deepest of deep time horses were a part of the landscape". What a crock. Horses were brought to this continent by the Spanish explorers. There were no horses, pigs, or chickens before the Europeans came here. Go back to school and learn something.
The biggest thing that kept the early Americans from advancing as much as the Europeans is that they had no domesticated beasts of burden. No Oxen, or horses to do the heavy lifting. No farm animals to live off of. In fact the reason the viruses the Europeans brought were so devastating was that the natives didn't live in close contact with animals like the Europeans did. As a result, they didn't develop immunity to swine flu, bird flu, and that sort of thing.
Don't waste your time watch this nonsense.
Fact, there were Horses, but they became extinct!
They were brought back by the Europeans.
Horse originated in North America
@@catherinemicalizzi1615 I have no idea where you got that information, but I would stop listening to whoever told you that. Horses did not originate in North America. If there were horses here in the far distant past, they were long gone by the time the early tribes got here from Asia. No American tribe had horses before the European explorers brought them in the late 15th or early 16th century. In South America they had Llamas, and Alpacas. That was the only beast of burden around, and were of limited use. Domesticated animals in general didn't really exist. No chickens, goats or pigs. There were bear, deer, mountain lions, and elk, none of which can be domesticated.
And nobody should waste their time on YOUR convoluted BS. You have such a bigoted and superior attitude that any open enquiring person should avoid your opinions
@@junebrilly5302 At what point did I say anything about superiority? And an enquiring person should study some history to find the circumstances that lead to differences in cultures to begin with, thereby leading to a deeper understanding, and appreciation of just how much the same we are underneath it all.
But yes. History can be fairly convoluted at times. Deal with it.
Why isn't this easily verified with fossils?
Because it isn't true.
Why don't you tell the history of Anasazi enslaving other Indians?
Like she said, it's about time...we know the real truth about the history of our nation/ continent. The horse is such an important part of this!!!👍🙋♀️🙅♀️🙆♀️🖖
The truth is the Spanish brought horses here. There are no native species of horse in the North American continent.
It’s important to know the truth, and be honest. The horses were brought by the Spanish. The mustangs are showing to be descendants of the Arabic horses brought by the Spaniards.
There IS only one truth. Man, originated in Africa. Horses came to America via Spain.
Loved the story and history. I’m much in favor of bringing Native People history into the American story. I did have one dislike - the music was poorly chosen and too loud for the video. But thank you…
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I want to hear more about the horse, not about the blame. Although they are right, I just want to hear about the subject🙄
Lack of fossil evidence in the appropriate places means horses were extinct in North America by ~10,000 years ago. When fossils younger than that surface, I will be more likely to jump on board. Native folklore might be describing events that are only a couple of hundred years old.
Nice addition of Critical Theory to drive history into myth. The woman with the hat gives wonderful contradictory commentary.
What human beings have done to these beautiful animals is nothing short of barbaric. We have essentially enslaved them for our needs. Both white and native American alike.
Indigenous people trying to rewrite history....again. I say indigenous, but Chief Blue eyes looks like he is 100th native American and is in love with the romance of being native American.
He's 1/2 Pawnee and grew up on the reservation, then was adopted by a Crow family and lived on that reservation.
I live in the San Pedro Valley in SE AZ. Prehistoric horse remains have been found and documented from this area. It makes perfect sense to me that these evolved into present day horses and that the natives of the times tamed them and used them.
There IS only one truth. Man, originated in Africa. Horses came to America via Spain. The little horses you speak about went extinct before man arrived.
except the archeological data shows they didn't survive the iceage.
GREAT VIDEO!
Very interesting for an german professional like me. Lost year I heard/read a lot about the wild bunch of horses found in the territory of the Theodore Roosevelt National Park, newly called, restistrated and recogniciond breed NOKOTA. Scientits found out theyr DNA is the same like Viking horses (whatever ,,Vikings" means) . The origin typ of them should be the followers of the horses of Sitting Bull (I prefare his other name in Lakota). Any winter counts and others show him and his warriors on Greys or other monochrome, NOTpainted horse.
This horses must have a very very high level of reasons and courage, one stallion fought against the culling helikopter. But this is another story....
Oh that's right.
The Vikings were here long before the Spanish.
I super appreciate your input.
So the horses DID come from the whites
Hokahey...!
Equidae.🐴🌎🌈
Beautiful Story of a part of my People. Although I am a 1/3 Indian I feel the Greatness in the Indian Legends.
Friend, no one is 1/3 anything. 1/2, 1/4. 1/8, but definitely NOT 1/3. Check the math.
@@kathywilkes9222 2 + 2 = 4 not 3 1/3!
@@kathywilkes9222 well all I really know is My Grandmother was Full Blood Indian, and have been told by Grandmother, that she would Get to see her Father from time to time, along the Routes to tribal Meeting, Not really sure If I am Cherokee nation or seminole,, Since in the war's and Relocation camps by the Federal Calvary, Indians were put in Camps all over Florida, Crammed together like sheep!! I've heard stories from Grandmother herself say that Indian chief mcnaobi wS my Great Grandfather, and she was Cast out For Being on love with a white Man, But he wou still visit her from time to time on his Trips to meet with the White Man!. Never knew Grandmother to Lie!! So yeah I would say most likely Half Indian. Seminole or Cherokee that I do not really know Seminole or Cherokee that I do not really know, they were housed together in Florida in Indian Camp's, So this One thing has always Puzzled me,?
@@dannycollingwood6528 We all have two parents, four grandparents, eight great grandparents, 16 great-great grandparents and so one. So our ancestry is always divisible by two, not by three. So let's say your father and your mother each had one grandparent who was Native American. That would be one out of four grandparents for your father's side and one out of four grandparents for your mother's side. So 1/4 on one side + 1/4 on the other side = 2 out of 8 or 1/4th of your ancestors would be Native American. Of course, many Native Americans have some European ancestors and vice versa.
@@vernonfrance2974 what does it matter how they say it, if they have proof. Not like other culture vultures who claim to be what they are not. European was FORCED on us, we were perfectly fine being and looking full Native. We didn't invite the ships of horror. Afros have the most mixed DNA in the world. Almost all of them have Caucasian DNA, they don't embrace their white genes, but always try to make the Natives Afro or European. Double standards r hypocritical!
Pilamiya! ♥