Reinhardt Is Still A TERRIBLE Hero In Overwatch 2

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  • @jef92927
    @jef92927 24 дня назад +522

    Season 10 mid-season patch
    - Fixed a bug where Reinhardt could get kills
    - Orisa will now be in fortify permanently

    • @phizix5023
      @phizix5023 24 дня назад +5

      Coming next year. April Fools Patch 2025

    • @naliskun4222
      @naliskun4222 24 дня назад +1

      。゚(TヮT)゚。give rein something more those buffs ain't it
      like maybe "instant charge animation" or "rocket jump/step"

    • @WeeabooPocky
      @WeeabooPocky 20 дней назад

      -Genji nerfed

  • @yvestoto2086
    @yvestoto2086 24 дня назад +678

    The only thing rein is shattering nowadays is his pants

  • @themattermattman
    @themattermattman 24 дня назад +308

    emongg yelling "BIG SLAM" regardless of who slammed, was killing me. they need to add that as a rein voiceline.

    • @ilmstreams
      @ilmstreams 24 дня назад +24

      yea they need a legendary skin, or maybe when Rein gets his Mythic skin, where his ult voice line is just "BIG SLAM!" I can almost hear Rein saying it in his voice in my head, haha

    • @caebilix
      @caebilix 22 дня назад +9

      @12:09 "BIG..." (pause while flats gets juggled by orisa spin) "SLAM!" 😂

  • @_coralreeff
    @_coralreeff 24 дня назад +254

    this whole vid just felt like “reinhardt vs his natural predator”

    • @BogosBinted98
      @BogosBinted98 24 дня назад +26

      Reinhardts natural predator is existing lol

    • @sebastianrodriguez8992
      @sebastianrodriguez8992 24 дня назад +6

      Yeah orisa is basically designed to eat Reinhardt 😂

    • @Billy_The_Frog
      @Billy_The_Frog 24 дня назад +10

      Pretty lore accurate since the OR14s were what destroyed Reinhardt's squad during the omnic war. And during the omnic war, the Anubis apparently also adapts to it's threats. So it's likely the OR14s are actually designed specifically to deal with crusaders.

    • @robbanks7483
      @robbanks7483 21 день назад

      ​@@Billy_The_Frog imagine trying to excuse bad game balance with lore

    • @Billy_The_Frog
      @Billy_The_Frog 3 дня назад

      @@robbanks7483 lol, which part of my comment was trying to excuse blizzard for bad balancing? All I did was state how surprisingly similar the current state of rein and orisa is to the lore, don't misinterpret my words.

  • @DaRatsz
    @DaRatsz 24 дня назад +445

    Rein is NOT terrible. :,( I need my bottle of copium...

    • @calebbirnie3467
      @calebbirnie3467 24 дня назад +11

      You mean the whole vat

    • @justanotherdude_
      @justanotherdude_ 24 дня назад

      *Dont worry and let mommy copium breastfeed you*

    • @user-rk6ob3hz2x
      @user-rk6ob3hz2x 24 дня назад +3

      🍔

    • @Zeldamarie1482
      @Zeldamarie1482 24 дня назад +32

      All Rein players need to do is make fan art of Rein being gay or something. Blizzard is forced to appease wokies, so they’ll have to choice but to buff him

    • @copuim_dealer
      @copuim_dealer 24 дня назад +2

      Don't worry i'm here to help

  • @thatonepronoun7503
    @thatonepronoun7503 24 дня назад +214

    It turns out when you remove 300 damage pin and firestrike combo from rein. He gets worse who'd of though

    • @9895_
      @9895_ 24 дня назад +24

      I mean they removed his combo yea, but personally i think its less of that and more of thosr hitbox changes. Hes got pretty much the same hitbox as Roadhog, and while Roadhog needs arguably one of the games best self sustain abilities just to stay on the frontline, Rein doent have have any self sustain. I dont think shield counts personally cause unless its something like DVA bomb, your better not using it when trying to escape cause it makes you slower and unable to do damage. I dont think he needs more health, I think he needs like 5-7% damage resistance

    • @raffyarceus99
      @raffyarceus99 24 дня назад +12

      The problem is 6 v 6 and all the immortality ability there are now that can shut down everything he does

    • @ImEcchi
      @ImEcchi 24 дня назад +45

      I’m still wondering why his shield health is still at its nerfed amount when he got destroyed during Double shield meta. And they have yet to increase it back.
      Nobody is helping him. He doesn’t have a sigma or Orisa to back him up anymore. Plus his shield IS HIM, it’s not a deployable like other better shield tanks. He should be at least 2000 HP shield at the bare minimum.

    • @RK9th
      @RK9th 24 дня назад +14

      They need to give him 50 health and the rest armor at this rate

    • @quiteslayer4067
      @quiteslayer4067 24 дня назад +14

      @@RK9threalistic rein lol

  • @tiggle5485
    @tiggle5485 24 дня назад +59

    0:47 the fact that the torb lived that is atrocious. Pin damage should be 350 to compensate for the overall health increase (300 at the bare minimum.)

    • @sinistertoady6712
      @sinistertoady6712 23 дня назад +4

      honestly make it 250 but make it an insta kill on anyone that isn't tank. Because getting half of your health deleted on tank feels bad, no matter who or what does it to you.

  • @poki8141
    @poki8141 24 дня назад +107

    Some dmg reduction on his pin would be nice. Also getting knocked down by maugas shouldnt be a thing cuz reins is litterally rocket powered💀 maugas just built different

    • @Weightsss
      @Weightsss 24 дня назад +27

      Not even gonna lie, I think that’s exactly what he needs! Damage reduction on charge will be perfect. That would be a great buff.

    • @sebastianrodriguez8992
      @sebastianrodriguez8992 24 дня назад +9

      I think rein should just also have maugas charge
      Given how great of an escape tool or engage tool it is for him it would be great on rein

    • @Shadowical
      @Shadowical 24 дня назад +19

      ​@@sebastianrodriguez8992rein with an unstoppable + danage reduction charge would make him so much more fun compared to beibg CC'd by literally everything

    • @eddiemate
      @eddiemate 24 дня назад +17

      @@sebastianrodriguez8992 Not to mention it's just crazy how a rocket powered man's charge is weaker than a dude who simply runs.

    • @sebastianrodriguez8992
      @sebastianrodriguez8992 24 дня назад

      @@eddiemate to be fair that dude who runs is using insanely high grade cybernetics and has double the blood flow of the average human
      He's literally a cyber psycho with all the tech he's got I don't think it's that far off given how advanced ow is

  • @masmarco_
    @masmarco_ 24 дня назад +131

    This entire video feels like I’m watching on 2X with all the sounds.

  • @qwop2893
    @qwop2893 24 дня назад +94

    The issue I find with Rein is he's not worth respecting. Whereas Orisa MUST be respected because it's incredibly difficult to push her in, no one respects Rein because any substantial ground he takes is immediately mitigated by a flurry of bullets but more importantly being pushed around. So many Heroes move you nowadays one way or another Rein just can't hold ground with a Queen, Lucio, Venture, or anyone with any form of moving enemies just pushing or pulling him out of positions, its most prevalent in 11:28-12:02. Buffing his Earthshatter doesn't do much because he can't do anything if he can't stay in a position where the shatter would matter most.
    That's how I personally see it, at least. I love Rein so much, but no one will ever respect him in his current state.

    • @zaco5206
      @zaco5206 24 дня назад +39

      They buffed shatter but forget the rest of the time you have to play Reinhardt which was the problem

    • @TheLonesomePagan.
      @TheLonesomePagan. 24 дня назад +7

      His attacks should ignore armor like Winstons zap and buff his move speed when swinging.

    • @diufool
      @diufool 24 дня назад +10

      The problem with rein is that he fundamentally doesn’t work in overwatch 2. He requires an off tank to offset the pressure is he wants to do anything 90% of the time. There are 3 things that characters can do: apply pressure , mitigate damage on themselves, and move around. For any character to be playable in this game, they need to be able to do at least 2 of those at all times. Every other tank in the game is able to do that but rein struggles to do any of these combinations without support from a lucio or off tank. The only times he will be good is when his numbers are simply too high.

    • @qwop2893
      @qwop2893 24 дня назад +7

      @@diufool And I believe he should have high numbers, at least high enough to make people respect him. I see him the way I see a "Grappler" in any fighting game, a character called "Potemkin" to be specific. Big body, big health, big hitboxes, big damage, but is incredibly slow and his best movement option requires a lot of dedication, making them difficult to approach but easy to poke/space out, something Rein should also follow. This also use to be something Orisa had, but they then removed her falloff for some reason so now I'm diffing Widows with her. Approaching Rein should be as difficult as approaching Orisa, and should require ground-level team coordination to effectively make them waste resources so you can only then push in. Would it make him fun to fight against? Probably not. He would DECIMATE lower to middle ranks and essentially become a competitive gatekeeper like aformentioned Grapplers. But like Grapplers, I find their inclusion essential for a couple reasons, it's also why I love Rein so much. The exhilarating feeling of being a menace to the enemy, a bossfight that they have to put all their efforts into felling, just like how I feel playing Potemkin. Unfortunately Rein can't do that as often, and I have to rely on Orisa or even Brigitte to get that feeling.
      (I'm so sorry for the long message, I'm just really adamant about Reinhardt I really love him so much)

    • @janpolansky9668
      @janpolansky9668 24 дня назад +7

      this is going to be overbuffing him BUT hear me out
      always immovable. everybody will enjoy it especially the 3 rein players left.

  • @Allan2670
    @Allan2670 24 дня назад +26

    I think simply making reins charge unstoppable like mangas would help him feel a lot better. I feel he gets thrown around and stopped way to easy for a big charging German

    • @jakeb807
      @jakeb807 22 дня назад +7

      Unrealistic, no way that a man with a full set of armour and a rocket on his back would be unstoppable compared to the man that runs fast

    • @luckybynn5788
      @luckybynn5788 22 дня назад +2

      It seems like most teams go "Look! It's a Reinhardt! Bully him!"

    • @necrosis6037
      @necrosis6037 22 дня назад +1

      As a brig I laugh my ass off when I can tip over a guy 3 times my size

  • @reddragon2943
    @reddragon2943 22 дня назад +12

    I feel that Doom Fist Slam and Reins Shatter should PoP Venture out from underground.

    • @necrosis6037
      @necrosis6037 22 дня назад +1

      Giving specific interactions between two characters like that doesn’t sound that fair

    • @reddragon2943
      @reddragon2943 21 день назад +4

      @@necrosis6037 well seeing that there are 0 ways to counter it something needs to be done.

    • @owl4356
      @owl4356 21 день назад +1

      ​@@necrosis6037they made it so that Lucio can drop the beat in the air while lifted by a Sigma, that also wasn't fair. Also, Venture can pick up health packs while underground. Its so goofy.

    • @necrosis6037
      @necrosis6037 20 дней назад

      @@reddragon2943 I think it should be a kind of ability rather than specific ones based on realism. Like if AoE attacks in general were the only ones that could effect venture underground. (Just an example)

    • @necrosis6037
      @necrosis6037 20 дней назад +1

      @@owl4356 as a sigma main, as much as I would love for lucio to not counter my ult, it’s more for balancing reasons, to kind of be on par with zen. Plus Moira and Reaper can also pick up health packs while invincible so it’s consistent

  • @SimCityEA1989
    @SimCityEA1989 24 дня назад +18

    3:04
    "It's Hiiiigh Nooon... OOF!-"
    I felt that so much... 😔✊️

  • @PrsOG7504
    @PrsOG7504 24 дня назад +20

    11:57 the orisa just blocking a whole charge with her spin😂😂

  • @rlotts6607
    @rlotts6607 24 дня назад +17

    “I only have one speed and it’s turbo feed” is just beautiful

  • @Sigmaine
    @Sigmaine 23 дня назад +8

    I love how positive Emongg is and how supportive he is of Flats.
    "Right click randy's on the case!" was so expected and normal, but it SENT me.

  • @JimGamingTV
    @JimGamingTV 24 дня назад +18

    How good would Rein be if they gave him Gundam Evo dashes + his charge is now connected to a resource meter and burning fire strike with the longer the fire strike travels the more it burns (nerf damage obviously)? Maybe nerf shatter a little bit to compensate

    • @VideoKingist
      @VideoKingist 24 дня назад

      Sniper Rein? That'd be interesting.

  • @ShashKetchum94
    @ShashKetchum94 24 дня назад +20

    The synced big slams at 4:20 was hilarious

    • @catgod1433
      @catgod1433 24 дня назад +2

      All Rein players simultaneously share one Brain Cell

    • @trisfaleel
      @trisfaleel 24 дня назад +2

      they both died at the same exact time too lol

    • @LexiTheHellhound
      @LexiTheHellhound 21 день назад

      420 :)

  • @untapped8776
    @untapped8776 24 дня назад +17

    The problem is that he can't take or hold any space.
    He should bare minimum have some damage resistance on his charge. If you fuck up a pin and get stuck out of position, you should be punished - but you shouldn't watch your health bar explode the second you press Shift. More of his health being armor again would also help.
    I also think he should have a stronger form of the Tank passive as well, something like a 70% reduction to knockback. If Rein is in an area, you shouldn't be able to just push him off with a slight breeze.
    It'd be nice if enemies also couldn't just walk up into your shield and shoot you from inside it. It should block damage a bit behind him as well. Or at least change the shape to be a bit more curved or add some side walls, he's way too vulnerable when he gets walked up on.

    • @connork9745
      @connork9745 24 дня назад +1

      I don't want all of these but Rein needs some serious buffs and a few wouldn't hurt
      1.25x current move speed
      1.25x current swing speed
      Firestrike now leaves a trail of fire on the floor for 2 seconds which ignites enemies that walk over it
      Firestrike now ignites on hit
      Rein gains a movement 1.25x speed buff when moving towards ignited enemies
      it will affect his charge
      Rein now has 3 damage thresholds in his shield bar 400 700 1000
      when a damage threshold is hit Rein is immune to damage for 1 second
      and gains a minor healing and speed boost 10 health a second up to 60
      and 1.1x speed boost
      Thresholds take 25 seconds of being above that threshold to regenerate
      Rein shatter now ignores fortify
      Rein shatter now comes out faster
      Rein now has a resource for his charge and gains fortify when charging
      Reins fortify takes priority over other instances of Fortify unless it is another Rein
      Reins shield once again blocks Orisa's ult
      Rein can charge while shielding and until he has moved 1 meter forward the shield will block damage and stay up
      Rein now has a 4th ability quake Rein will perform the shatter animation and disable movement abilities for all enemies hit
      in with the same reach as shatter for 2 seconds
      Doomfist now ignores movement disabling abilities on his ult and charge punch
      Preferred change Rein now oneshots Orisa
      I would prefer Orisa self destructs on using fortify but beggers can't be choosers

    • @Yasha_U
      @Yasha_U 20 дней назад +1

      @@connork9745 you're kinda cooking on some of those ngl
      orisa self destructing when fortifying? fuck yeah

  • @nuclearsimian3281
    @nuclearsimian3281 24 дня назад +8

    Who would have thought that the character who is a strict binary of "I can defend OR attack" would be rendered useless by the later characters who can defend, attack, and take over entire spaces/clear areas with ease?

  • @KH0RNE
    @KH0RNE 23 дня назад +5

    7:10 "wait that's an orisa"
    almost the funniest moment of the video.

  • @AlexNight
    @AlexNight 24 дня назад +8

    7:53 I swear the Orisa privilege is so ridiculous to the point it pisses me off. How does that even HIT Reinhardt at that angle?

    • @necrosis6037
      @necrosis6037 22 дня назад +2

      And they had to make her a sniper so even your hitscans aren’t safe

  • @makadenmitchell2909
    @makadenmitchell2909 24 дня назад +33

    Perfect streamer-mode name

  • @ninthfriend3347
    @ninthfriend3347 24 дня назад +36

    Yeah, Rein's current kit doesn't flow well in 5v5 format. His kit is outdated and works best with 6v6.
    I do hope they change him soon. I would love to have Rein metas because that's when the game feels great. He's the most fairest hero to fight against.

    • @ashfaaqashraf9046
      @ashfaaqashraf9046 24 дня назад +5

      100%. Sadly knowing Blizzard they will keep Rein as is because of how much he's played in the lower ranks plus the win rates of Rein in the lower ranks (I don't know if it has changed or not but last time I remember the devs mentioned this).

    • @aaronolson6736
      @aaronolson6736 24 дня назад +2

      Give him the buff from Balanced Overwatch

    • @ashfaaqashraf9046
      @ashfaaqashraf9046 24 дня назад

      @@aaronolson6736 yeaaaa. They should tune it a bit and see how they can implement it.

    • @Imaginettes101
      @Imaginettes101 24 дня назад +2

      So true. Rein meta has always been fun for me. It lets Ana (my favorite support) to be played more often so she can enable him in fights.
      I also miss 6 v 6 rein/zarya combo from OW1 so much. The tank synergy in brawl definitely was so thrilling and helped rein stay alive too. It's not a good time for him in general rn😅

    • @eddiemate
      @eddiemate 24 дня назад +2

      @@ashfaaqashraf9046 I've heard people say that Blizzard has confirmed Rein won't get a rework. So unfortunately he'll either need to be giga buffed through passives or get buffs to his kit if he wants to become viable again

  • @harrdeeharr
    @harrdeeharr 24 дня назад +7

    Torbintime has been my name in game for 3 years and now it’s a stock streamer mode name 🙃

  • @blackout995
    @blackout995 22 дня назад +2

    Rein players: there is no amount of stats that will make this kit viable
    Team 4: Would giving him better stats fix that?

  • @darthhiro7425
    @darthhiro7425 24 дня назад +3

    wait... was there a limit to how far Hanzo's dragons can move? It just popped at 1:05

    • @jokerking1195
      @jokerking1195 24 дня назад +6

      The enemy Hanzo switched heroes and that made their ult disappear

  • @_wrldventurekc4053
    @_wrldventurekc4053 24 дня назад +17

    I think they should allow Rein to apply the fire strike to his hammer to amp his swings while also applying fire damage overtime

  • @nonzer0value
    @nonzer0value 24 дня назад +4

    Pin and fire strike should do more damage given the level of commitment Rein requires. That Torb you pinned on Night Market should've died. Ridiculous that he didn't.

    • @nonzer0value
      @nonzer0value 24 дня назад +1

      And more damage from his melee would be welcome, too.

  • @adamosca6399
    @adamosca6399 24 дня назад +3

    Honestly as a junk main I’ve saved myself so many times by literally launching rein with a mine when he was trying to pin me. I feel like this poor guy could use a few buffs, at this point we are just bullying the old man

  • @dentylad_plays7159
    @dentylad_plays7159 24 дня назад +5

    as a rein main i can confirm he is horrible to play and makes me want to go dps every game
    the fact that his fire strikes dont set people on fire is insane
    to many characters can survive pin
    shatter can be countered to easily
    to much mobility in the game now for him to kill things
    and many more but im too lazy for that

  • @socsuck6135
    @socsuck6135 23 дня назад +2

    Did anyone else really like Reins relfect shield thingy from the April fools mode? Felt like it actually helped balance him

  • @columnarcarp7825
    @columnarcarp7825 24 дня назад +3

    I knew when I saw the patch notes that he was still gonna be terrible. Shatter was the only good part of reins kit before, it did not need a buff. He needs a new passive and maybe more armor

  • @archaeologyB0Y
    @archaeologyB0Y 24 дня назад +5

    one huge weakness is that he's the only tank who, when mitigating damage, is otherwise useless. every other shield user places a shield down and then can contunue to add pressure with attacks or abilities. so what if we make reinhardt focus more on poke than rush? make his shield detachable. He can hold it up and walk with it or if you use the interact key you place it down and it's essentially OG Orisa's shield, but then you can interact and pick it back up and it works like his current shield. that gives him the opportunity to set up shop and then still actively contribute, and even use it to steadily claim ground, instead of being a rectangle nobody else stands behind. maybe make firestike do less damage but have more charges and ACTUALLY SET ENEMIES ON FIRE. and obviously charge has to have the same quality-of-life as mauga, where he can still be damaged but can't be interrupted.

    • @octocoq
      @octocoq 24 дня назад +2

      Rein should 100% be unstoppable just like Mauga while he’s charging.

    • @RLplusabunchofdumbnumbers
      @RLplusabunchofdumbnumbers 24 дня назад

      You're right, but he's not the only one - Hog also can't damage while mitigating.

    • @gjota1371
      @gjota1371 24 дня назад +2

      @@RLplusabunchofdumbnumbers Hog is a human shield. You can take big damage then heal it all away with ease. Rein either takes it to his health bar and risk being jumped, or just hold his shield and be a very shitty wall.

    • @RLplusabunchofdumbnumbers
      @RLplusabunchofdumbnumbers 24 дня назад

      @@gjota1371 Except comparing their health pools alone, Rein has more effective health than Hog due to armor. Rein is 400 health + 300 armor and Hog is just 800 straight health. Since armor reduces all incoming damage 30%, that 300 armor is effectively 428 health - i.e., 28 *more* than Hog.
      Also because of that, Rein not only isn't any harder to heal than Hog, he actually heals faster from external healing, since armor takes 0.7 of incoming damage but heals up at a normal rate (i.e., enemies have to do 428 hp damage to drop Rein from 700 to 400 but his supports only need to heal 300 hp to get him back).
      Hog can self heal, but that heal is also his mitigation and - if you play a lot of hog or just watch a lot of Cyx - if Hog **has** to self-heal, it's very bad because he needs to use breather for mitigation. That's his tanking and using it primarily for healing means you're gonna lose.
      So, not the case - and even if it were, it still wouldn't change that Hog cannot damage while mitigating.

  • @laxattack4620
    @laxattack4620 22 дня назад

    What if they gave each type of Tank a passive trait based on their playstyle (dive, poke and rush) that could be specialized on a per-hero level?
    Maybe for rush (as an example for general passive traits) they could give some form of dr (while being sure to nerf built-in dr e.g. Fortify on Orisa), for dive they could give cc reduction and for poke they could give a damage buff at a given range away from an enemy.

  • @chrisbourquin5771
    @chrisbourquin5771 24 дня назад +2

    3:26
    Did anyone else see this illusion?

  • @kielmessersmith1956
    @kielmessersmith1956 24 дня назад +2

    Whenever I play him it feels like he needs more speed, like the transition between shield and swing/ firestrike feels way to slow at times.

  • @AllofPokemonTCG
    @AllofPokemonTCG 24 дня назад

    There was a lot of full sending into the enemy backline and immediately falling over lol

  • @rockyracoon7181
    @rockyracoon7181 12 дней назад +1

    It would be amazing if they made a passive for rein where when his shield breaks he gets a bit of over shield and it’s called recycled it’s fitting since Germans have a whole culture around recycling, also if they added speed boost when shield breaks too it would make him OP against any tier below diamond.

  • @DyogoCosta
    @DyogoCosta 24 дня назад +5

    I know this will sound weird but what if they buffed his shield regen how fast it goes after its broken, or increase his base movement speed?

    • @PurpleMoon799
      @PurpleMoon799 24 дня назад +2

      i feel like he'll suck even if you do both

    • @calebbirnie3467
      @calebbirnie3467 24 дня назад +1

      How about giving him 2000 Shield back

    • @DyogoCosta
      @DyogoCosta 24 дня назад +1

      @@calebbirnie3467 Yup but in all honestly i think reindhart doesnt fit into 5x5...

    • @juveintheusa6261
      @juveintheusa6261 24 дня назад +1

      His shield is fine if you manage it well the problem is he gets melted when shield is down trying to get close to swing.

  • @PurpleMoon799
    @PurpleMoon799 24 дня назад +14

    so happy to finally see him playing with emongg more. needed to hear those "big slam!"s

  • @son_guhun
    @son_guhun 20 дней назад

    Rein ideas:
    Hammer Punch (Quick Melee): Deals 50 damage and breaks the opponent's armor. For 5 seconds, they cannot benefit from any effects that reduce damage taken (including Armor, Nanoboost and Fortify). 12 second CD. Needs a good UI implementation, both for the punched player and for allies (so support can know they are taking more damage).
    Jet Rush (Air Jump): Stops downward momentum, cannot be knocked back (but can still be pinned and CC'd), rushes 3 to 4 meters forward (only goes forward, unlike Hanzo's 8m air jump). 8 to 10 second CD. Useful to avoid getting thrown off the map, and also to close the distance.

  • @sirfailalotful
    @sirfailalotful 24 дня назад +2

    I feel like pin should definitely go through orisa spin, along with hammer. An actual counter to her would be amazing.

    • @necrosis6037
      @necrosis6037 22 дня назад

      I don’t like Mauga but at least SOMEONE could counter her, but blizzard immediately got rid of that yet refuse to acknowledge how she counters everything

  • @FenekkuKitsune
    @FenekkuKitsune 23 дня назад

    The entirety of rein’s kit needs a buff, I feel, aside from his melee. I feel like his melee is… relatively ok?
    His shield as it is is basically worthless. Any time it’s up it either doesn’t help the team in any way or just gets burned down. I’ve seen many suggestions for fixes regarding the shield from allowing him to switch between personal or team modes to increasing the size to even using the April fools change of reflecting bullets.
    His charge right now is a kill switch - and not for the enemy. It never received a buff afaik since the global hero health buff, so it’s no longer an insta kill on some heroes. In addition, rein is so easily moved (booped out of the way) and cc’d (sleep/counter-charge/hinder) you’re more liable to just get put in a bad spot than get value with it. It also makes rein a very big target in the fact that immediately everyone’s looking at him and burning him down. Making rein’s charge into mauga’s charge is NOT the answer. Damage resistance might be nice but I’d put it on his entire kit, not just the charge. Unstoppable would be good, yes. Something I would recommend is making the charge into a channeled ability. Currently, you can cancel it, but that puts it on cooldown. What if it had a bar, and you could charge for any amount of time so long as you had “juice” in the bar. Gives rein mobility and also acts like it does now - just better.
    Shatter is honestly not that great atm. I’d compare it to Zarya Grav in that it opens up the enemy team for a follow-up but zarya’s grav also groups the enemy up so the follow up is easier. Shatter can be used well, but a lot of the time the value is minimal (or even nothing in some cases) due to the victims being so spread out.
    Rein’s entire kit needs a make-over. He doesn’t do well at all in 5v5 and there’s been too many other hero changes and buffs (and additions)… he’s just fallen behind.

  • @Th3LonelyWolf
    @Th3LonelyWolf 24 дня назад

    they just need to give rein fire effect for firestrike and be able to charge orisa (when she does ult) and mauga when he charges. also be able to earthshatter orisa when she does her ult.

  • @jremigio24
    @jremigio24 24 дня назад

    Would it be better if instead of Javelin Spin being another dva matrix, it just blocked damage like a shield would but projectiles like fire strike go through it ?

    • @necrosis6037
      @necrosis6037 22 дня назад +1

      So basically like a temp barrier in the shape of a javelin

  • @azseal2669
    @azseal2669 24 дня назад

    I foresee a return to 2000hp shield on the horizon, it's far more likely than any substantial buff or rework at least.

  • @attlas3
    @attlas3 12 дней назад

    When I really think about it, I havent touched Rein in months, personally at the rate he needs some buffs or a rework, far too many of the other tanks have awesome gap closers or a heavy amount of range capability, I'd actually like to see a shield charge ability for Rein that shares a cd with his regualur charge, that we he can still have some offense while he plays defense

  • @georgioszampoukis1966
    @georgioszampoukis1966 23 дня назад

    Rein buffs:
    1) make his shield a bit bigger. He stands behind it, making difficult for others to use it because he covers HALF OF THE AREA. Another workaround would be for rein to be able to pin his shield on the ground and walk away.
    2) Give him a a healing amplification when he damages people. It would encourage rein players to be more aggressive, and supports can sustain him a bit better during fights.
    3) Implement a resource meter for the firestrike and let him charge firestrikes by holding down E. Each firestrike will cost a certain amount of the resource meter depending on how charged it is. This way he can choose to fire 2 big firestrikes (120 dmg each) or 4 smaller ones (60dmg each), you get the idea.

  • @pan1tal0co
    @pan1tal0co 11 дней назад

    For Rein, maybe increase move speed by 10%, and taking x% of shield damage reduces firestrike CD by X%. Hammer swing animation after a firestrike is a swing down, to make it seamless and adds more burst with firestrike/melee swing. This way, if he gets to you, its harder to escape, and he can sort of poke with consistent firestrikes every x seconds when shielding a corner.

  • @thepelicanman7436
    @thepelicanman7436 16 дней назад

    We need the speed boost swing from mirrorwatch in normal modes

  • @mateusz8794
    @mateusz8794 22 дня назад

    I think that blizzard should increase reins attack speed (or give him dmg boost) and give him some form of dmg reduction while charging to make him more viable on the battlefield but i know it might not help that much (although its still much better than just stunning people for a little longer and having 5 more meters range on shatter)

  • @ollydavis2495
    @ollydavis2495 9 часов назад

    The issue with rein isnt the shield its the fact that when you swing/ pin you get melted. He needs damage resistance akin to orrisas fortify when charging and maybe another 50 armour.
    Pin is already trash in comparison to release with its damage and hitbox let alone it now being essentially press shift to die button unless used perfectly

  • @SamOliver4
    @SamOliver4 20 дней назад

    5:13
    "85%, we gotta look for something here, do we have anything?"
    "uhhh... each other?"
    😂😭

  • @Joe-xy1fe
    @Joe-xy1fe 23 дня назад

    I feel like Rein should get like 150 overhealth for 3 seconds after using charge so that he isn’t immediately forced to back out after using the move, and it’ll allow him to apply pressure for a little longer or at least have a smaller chance to back out of the fight safely.

  • @VampDemigod
    @VampDemigod 23 дня назад +1

    "I only have one speed and it's turbofeed" is my favorite quote from this, by far.

  • @tomodayama7101
    @tomodayama7101 24 дня назад +2

    I haven't played Overwatch in forever, so having only Flats as my context on how tanks are played is a little depressing. How much would they have to change Reinhardt to make him playable? Since I haven't played since OW1, I'm sad how far the giant has fallen.

    • @gjota1371
      @gjota1371 24 дня назад +6

      I think the issue is just how much he is bullied by the other tanks. Rein gets destroyed by at least half of the other tanks.

    • @omegagoober513
      @omegagoober513 24 дня назад

      To be completely honest I don’t think they can fix Reinhardt, he just doesn’t work in the game anymore

  • @quiteslayer4067
    @quiteslayer4067 24 дня назад +1

    So hear me out. Give him a small speed boost when his shield is up. Not only does it help with engagements, but the new shield weaving play style might help with survivability a bit.
    Ofc other changes would still be made like more armor and possibly faster shield charge to help either the weaving. Thoughts?

    • @necrosis6037
      @necrosis6037 22 дня назад

      So remove his movement penalty?

    • @quiteslayer4067
      @quiteslayer4067 22 дня назад

      @@necrosis6037 no, make him move faster then without the shield. But only a bit

  • @Worcraftman
    @Worcraftman 24 дня назад +1

    “I ain’t staying there” holy shit that emongg bit had me rolling 😂

  • @alexerhardt662
    @alexerhardt662 24 дня назад

    I too am Constantly ROYALLY pissed off looking at patch notes every season and seeing "Orisa buffs" every single time. Or just no nerfs to her

  • @crazydave152
    @crazydave152 17 дней назад

    the frenzy from the mirrorwatch could be a legit change imo.

  • @Crankyfiber
    @Crankyfiber 24 дня назад

    Does Orisa get damaged by any knock back effects (rein charge and doom punch) while in fortify?

    • @eddiemate
      @eddiemate 24 дня назад +2

      Orisa doesn't take knockback while in fortify. So doom's normal punch does damage, but no knockback damage.
      As for rein charge, she just completely ignores it. No damage.

  • @twistedxxfreedom1379
    @twistedxxfreedom1379 22 дня назад

    With the current state of every other character if they want to make Reinhardt A potential threat he's going to need at least 600 health with 300 armor and each swing does 70 Dam And fire strike does 120.

  • @AV-qs4ye
    @AV-qs4ye 22 дня назад +4

    Flats slam is worse than Jay pulse

  • @sakitoshi
    @sakitoshi 21 день назад

    reinhardt is insane now.
    the problem is that in high elo people has perfect positioning, so he doesn't work. but he works almost every time down here in gold.

  • @marthajimenez3421
    @marthajimenez3421 18 дней назад

    Rein is one of my backup tanks if Dva isn't working. In gold I've learned if you play unpredictability and throw caution to the wind that'll be the only way for the enemy team to respect you. Otherwise Rein is going to be dumped on every match, make them frustrated.

  • @mkgaming5823
    @mkgaming5823 19 дней назад

    Ok two potential changes for Rein
    More control while charging ( Movement is one of the best skill expressions in gaming and I think Tokyo drift Rein would be cool)
    or maybe after charging some distance, Rein becomes Unstoppable (Immune to all CC and slight damage reduction maybe 10% ) so you still have to think about charging in as the unstoppable only activates after a distance.

  • @AlexNight
    @AlexNight 24 дня назад +2

    Somehow, the April Fool's change on Reinhardt doesn't sound so bad if it'll stop Orisa from just non-stop shooting Rein so he can breath for one second.

  • @negativenuss
    @negativenuss 24 дня назад

    I'd love to play the game, unfortantly it keeps crashing. Managed to get the BP which I cannot really use or update...

  • @tonythunder6048
    @tonythunder6048 22 дня назад

    Honestly I kinda wish they gave him like 50% damage reduction as he charged cause when I play rein and my shield goes down for 2 seconds, I just get evaporated sometimes. Honestly I want him to have something else but blizzard will make him busted af, which I think he deserves it as the only melee hero besides brig

  • @stumbling_
    @stumbling_ 23 дня назад

    I’m not sure what it is rein needs, he feels like a hero that could easily become broken with too many changes. Maybe give him orisa’s fortify effect while charging?
    Make fire strike travel in a horizontal arc instead of vertical? Slightly nerf the damage to compensate it hitting more people maybe cause them to ignite for a brief second or get pushed back slightly?

    • @necrosis6037
      @necrosis6037 22 дня назад

      I think he’s just kinda outdated, he needs a rework

  • @500ncb
    @500ncb 24 дня назад +1

    rein has no improvements at all on regular play. he is only buffed for 0.25 seconds per ult. that's like 1 second improvement the whole game if u have 4 ults.

  • @pokieplayboy
    @pokieplayboy 24 дня назад

    I like how the talon rein got the maunga treatment and is just big dude instead of normal dude in big suit.

  • @Max-ek4dn
    @Max-ek4dn 24 дня назад +1

    I just cry everytime i need to fight torb. He wins!!! In a 1v1 the torb winst everytime in close range, after a charge, anytime and he has a 10th of the rein hitbox+range + turret. Its so damm sad because you cant walk in because everyone solos rein and your hitbox is now just a big truck. Your shield is basically useless and you get displaced or outrun by every ability

  • @crazyrussianman2128
    @crazyrussianman2128 22 дня назад

    Honestly, the big buff rein needs is to fix his fucking hit boxes. Every time I see a rein chage he'll miss the zarya right in front of him but somehow pin the tracer behind him. Same with shatter.

  • @idoitturtle4348
    @idoitturtle4348 24 дня назад

    Flats I need help, I have a very unethical friend who mains Orisa, and if we start losing he switches to Muaga. What do I do? Do I cut off all communication, do I try and get them help?

    • @necrosis6037
      @necrosis6037 22 дня назад

      You set up an intervention, they’re a danger to society

  • @llBurnzll
    @llBurnzll 24 дня назад +2

    Flats you got worked the first game hollllyyyyy

  • @moistwindow6094
    @moistwindow6094 24 дня назад

    It's crazy you drop this after having mad fun in clash with rein

  • @eduardomartins3879
    @eduardomartins3879 24 дня назад

    A big buff that the Rein needs. No other projectile or ability except Ana's sleep dart or Orisa's freeze can stop him when hes using charge. Why? Because the charge is the only ability that Rein has to give him more mobility, attack aggressively with his hammer or gain space for his team, and having several abilities in the game that can stop his charge makes him extremely weak to play aggressively, leaving him completely defenseless, relying only on his shield which breaks very quickly. As a mauga, why not make him invulnerable to certain abilities when he uses his charge? For me, Rein is a completely wronged hero, with a big potential to become strong again. But Blizzard seems afraid to make big changes to his abilities, or it's probably the fault of many people in this community who think Rein is strong the way he is.

    • @Chazza-01
      @Chazza-01 24 дня назад +1

      Blizzard needs to do more than "big changes" to fix this game. They need to reconsider the entire game. Full 10 seasons and tank still feels like ass, maybe they need to look at what they are doing wrong rather than thinking what they should do next. Rein doesn't need to be giga buffed, the game needs to change. Back to something that worked. Samito had a blast on stream today (id recommend watching it from about the 2 hour mark). Maybe people should listen to Samito, his takes are our best shot at getting OW back into a healthy state.

  • @Not_Ciel
    @Not_Ciel 22 дня назад

    I love Emongg’s dialogue from 9:43 to 10:05 😂 “okay you’re lucky it’s me. I’m going in. I don’t wanna I’m off the point now though, okay I’ll do it. Nobody else is

  • @mitchprice3841
    @mitchprice3841 23 дня назад

    Idea to improve reinhardt- if its even possible at this point- allow him to use fire strike while shielding and change the animation to come from his left hand which is holding the shield up, and/or give him a slight speed boost or overhealth when shield breaks. Rein is the ONLY tank that cant mitigate damage and deal damage at the same time

  • @-Alter-
    @-Alter- 22 дня назад

    im not a rein player by any means, but isn't his biggest flaw the fact he has no offensive capability while using his shield? he's just a wall?
    He uses his shield with one arm right? how about we allow him to make a slow overhead attack with his hammer hand? not sure if it should do more damage to compensate for its slower swing, probably not. maybe also allow him to firestrike without dropping shield, it wouldn't be much but i don't see why he wouldn't be able to do the firestrike animation with just one hand rather than two

  • @alittlebirdi
    @alittlebirdi 23 дня назад

    The DK64 music is the perfect accompaniment to this chaos.

  • @MaxTM_
    @MaxTM_ 24 дня назад

    The only way to fix him at this point is by reworking his shield. It just doesn't work with only one tank.

  • @PezzaHando
    @PezzaHando 24 дня назад

    Yeah that quarter of a second made such a huuuge difference

  • @puretestosterone9614
    @puretestosterone9614 22 дня назад

    4:55 I'm glad we all know appropriate mei treatment

  • @NeonJesusOW
    @NeonJesusOW 23 дня назад

    Give rein 5% movement speed increase while shielded that stacks 3 times for a total of 15% (dependant of having teammates play within 5 meter aura of rein to encourage playing with tank)
    Reduce fire strikes base damage and add burn over time effect
    Give rein shield bash (for displacement, no stun)

    • @RyuuRider
      @RyuuRider 23 дня назад +1

      This makes me think 'What if Rein's shield buffed projectiles like a weaker Amplification Matrix?" Team would play around the shield, team would be able to apply pressure so that the shield couldn't be so easily mowed down, and it would give Rein's defensive play some offensive benefit (if the team plays with it).
      Doesn't really fit his theme, but I like the idea of Rein becoming a mobile fortress that not only defends but buffs his team's offense.

    • @NeonJesusOW
      @NeonJesusOW 23 дня назад

      @@RyuuRider could also make it so double fire strike becomes a skill-shot so if you hit the same target with both you leech a portion of that targets health pool as over-health for 3 seconds or something like that, or make it so when he drops shield, he puts it on his back and it does 50% damage reduction from behind. I feel like there are so many options and they need to just start throwing shit at the wall and see what sticks.

  • @samzamzow8314
    @samzamzow8314 24 дня назад

    I know this is far-fetched, but hear me out! Reinhardt always does so good with supports like Lucio. What if we just gave Reinhardt inability that acts as a mix between fortify and queen shout but only for self. Maybe an ability that you can use while the shield is up to give him just a little bit more gap closing potential. I feel like a boost like that would be so nice to have That way I don't have to rely on having supports such as Lucio in order to play Reinhardt.

  • @asilva5021
    @asilva5021 24 дня назад +2

    Blizzard really has a skin available in their $40 pack and they dont bother to buff the character to entice whales.
    Wild

    • @NC_Quantum
      @NC_Quantum 24 дня назад +1

      I mean I don't think whales play overwatch

    • @eddiemate
      @eddiemate 24 дня назад +1

      @@NC_Quantum Overwatch still has its whales, even if they don't need to pay as much compared to something like Genshin.

  • @miasdaycore
    @miasdaycore 24 дня назад

    emongg being in flats' videos is such a treat

  • @garrisoncornwell9585
    @garrisoncornwell9585 24 дня назад +1

    13:26 average “high level” Moira gameplay 😂

  • @NoLifeLudas
    @NoLifeLudas 21 день назад

    playing with plat/diamond friends has been the best thing for my mental health as a rein player cause I can just spin to win with hammer

  • @mr.shreddergaming1940
    @mr.shreddergaming1940 23 дня назад

    You can really tell Flats hasnt played rein in a while with how hard he lost that Rein v Rein duel.

  • @asumiluna9066
    @asumiluna9066 20 дней назад

    We need the second tank role back :(

  • @JayBirdJay
    @JayBirdJay 23 дня назад

    "Torbintime" got me good 💀

  • @ramennguyy
    @ramennguyy 24 дня назад +2

    Yea I’m not playing till orissa is nerfed

  • @Klevermoregames
    @Klevermoregames 24 дня назад

    Does papa rein need major buff attention or a major rework?

  • @bobloblaw4361
    @bobloblaw4361 24 дня назад

    Maybe give him like an Ana nade passive with each hammer swing so he doesn't get completely melted

  • @Spumoon
    @Spumoon 24 дня назад

    Take away Rein's 2nd charge of Fire Strike and make it create a huge tornado like in WoW Plunderstorm.

  • @KuraiTV
    @KuraiTV 23 дня назад

    7:10 holy hell XD