Why do certain Israelis consider him a hero? He killed innocent Palestinians. Do these people who worship him really believe in murdering all Palestinians? If so what credibility do they have when accusing Palestinians of terrorism?
If you were once in Gaza, you would know that they are all the same. There are no innocents. Dr. Golstein saved many people's lives including the lives of innocent Arabs and knew who not to treat (*terror!!!!!!!s-t-s*) and as in his famous quote from Ecclesiastes "A time for the doctor and a time to kill"
If you were once in Gaza, you would know that they are all the same. There are no innocents. Dr. Golstein saved many people's lives including the lives of innocent Arabs and knew who not to treat (*terrorists*) and as in his famous quote from Ecclesiastes "A time for the doctor and a time to kill"
every country has its horrible people that the hail as a hero, also fun fact, every side can have terrorists on it, reality isn't good guys vs bad guys, its bad guys vs bad guys
I consider him our "Israeli Unabomber". He was a good man with a bright future, however events made him insane. He lived as a physician in Israel for about 11 years, mostly working in communitary services on poor settlements. Most of his patients were people injured by arab attacks, mainly women and children. When he tried moving away from this stressful life, a muslim killed his rabbi, what did you expect him to think about arab and muslims?
the things that are mainly shown in mainstream american news, are badly worded headlines. example : Palestinians launch rockest from a hospital, israel bombs that hospital. How will the headline be : ISRAEL BOMBS A HOSPITAL AND KILLS A FEW CITIZNES
@@amitkenan3878 No they dont, and even if, you dont bomb an entire hospital you psychopath. And if you want firecrackers not launched against you maybe stop the genocide, ethnic cleansing, apartheid and occupation
@@ansel5848 they are openly supporting extremists and terrorists. The far right Israelis are terrible, Ben Gvir is attending terrorists memorials and supporting extremist group (Kach). How can you let these terrorists rule a country?
He had many supporters and was only banned because he would have been the leader of the 3rd largest political group in Israel. He was murdered to keep the status quo quiet so Israel can maintain it's relationship with the West. Look at what Israel is becoming again today. There is a Kahane in the hearts of every right-wing Israeli.
It’s still very culturally and religiously important for many Israelis, though. And the Palestinian Territories are only semi-independent at the moment, so it’s not entirely wrong to call it an Israeli site.
@@capncake8837, wow. They are occupied lands. Calling it Israeli territories is aidind the colonialist agenda of the genocidal zionist state of Israel.
Today in Israel there was a pride festival and he told in one show that if his son was gay he would still love him. (And just to be clear is religous and wanted to stop the LGTBQ community festival)
@@harryoberlander2085 that's like saying "today everyone knows that Hitler was right". Both these statements are utter bullshit, and anyone who holds them is a monster that should be cast away from society.
A question. You said that Goldstein fired around a partition. I visited the Cave of the Patriarchs last year and I was told that the partition, including separate entrances was put up as a result of the Massacre. At the time, I believe it was "open plan". I visited both sides: the Jewish side with our Jewish guide and the Muslim side with a Palestinian.
hello, I am a Palestinian who used to live in Hebron. The separate quarters has been there for some time however the separate entrances were only built after the massacre. The partition has been there since around 1994, although something may have changed in the 15 years since I've been to the mosque. The way the massacre happened was Goldstein has armed with his riffle as his time in the IDF. There were 9 IDF soldiers assigned to patrol Ibrahimi mosque, 4 of which were late that day. The head officer on duty say Goldstein go in and since they were spread rather thin, he assumed Goldstein was a soldier on duty going into the compound to pray on the Jewish side, so he didn't stop him. Then he obviously did the massacre. That's why they built the separate entrances because it likely would've stopped the massacre.
It was a different time. The Jews were being attacked all the time in the early 90s. Goldstein was devastated his close friend's son who was murdered. He gave up his 4 kids and wife. It's more complicated than an evil terrorist. Kahane who married Goldstein(as the Rabbi 😂) was murdered 4 years prior(well 3.5) in NYC. Like the Hamas membership who've committed disgusting acts also, but it's an act of desperation.
@@Imhereforfun-jz2lu If I recall my history correctly, the attacks on Israelis (suicide bombings etc.), only began AFTER the Ibrahimi Mosque massacre and the brutal police assaults that followed. Remember that Arafat threw down arms and agreed to a peace deal that was heavily in Israel's favour, yet Palestinians were still brutalised, subjugated and oppressed and since then, have been living in a swiss cheese state, surrounded by Israeli settlements and military zones, a state that gets thinner and thinner with each passing moment.
@@truebeliever786 You recall it incorrectly. Goldstein was a medical Doctor who treated wounded Jews and was pushed to breaking point. Kahane had been assassinated and Dov Lior(his local Rabbi) was a very right wing religious Zionist. He probably encouraged this sort of thing. Not condoning but explaining. BG was no doubt a Jewish extremist and supremacist.
There will always be emotionally fragile people like Goldstein in any community. The mass murdering terrorists use these tactics w/ the expressed purpose of causing such reactions so as to exploit them as propaganda opportunities.
so when other do it they are lone wolf or they were provoked but when muslim do its their religion but the video is sham at being apologetic their are accounts of thousands of isrealis mourning at this grave till to this day settler go to his grave and pray . i lived in in Hebron and most isreali have no remorse for this event instead they see it as good thing
@Hadassa So when the Zionist invaded the West bank And the Palestinians fled In 100 years they will live there again And so Israel bombs the refugee camps because they know this Worse than anything's ng safaam Hussain did , it sent it?
It is a good sign when a society condemns one of its own for committing a heinous act (Israel) but a deeply disturbing one when a society not only condones evil deeds but calls for more (Palestinian territories).
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daniel albo Why do you Hasbara trolls lie so often in order to propagate the agenda of annexing more land, then blame Arabs for what you do?
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Macnos Mutano Sadly, bigotry and larger nations bullying the weaker ones will most likely never end until mankind ends. While Israel is still funded by the US it will remain an uncontrollable bully.
@ I am against US aid to Israel and I'm Israeli...Israel isn't going anywhere...no matter how hard you try! We Jews are native to our holy land (obviously) Israel is called the Holy Land because of us Jews...Judaism says that! Judaism and the Jewish people have been around way longer than Islam. When the Jewish people were made into a nation the Arabs were still fighting over each other's tents in the middle of the desert and killing their baby daughters because they wanted a boy. These are not hate comments...just plain facts.
@@AsemSaleh Crimes go on throughout the world everyday sadly. Judaism is the reason why people realize crime is wrong. Christianity and Islam are all distorted copies of Judaism. So mister Saleh...go get an education.
This guy was a monster just like the murderers of the Charleston church, Sutherland Springs church, Tree of Life synagogue and the Christchurch mosque. You have to be really evil to do this to innocent human beings anywhere, but especially in houses of worship.
lol as zionists are trying to start a war on the so called temple mount even tho mainstream archeologists say the original temple mount the romans tore down was near the city of david and spring of gehon, but the culture hawks would rather have violence then to build their temple somewhere else where families dont have to be thrown out of their homes.
Leviticus 19: 33-34 When a stranger dwells with you in your land, you shall do him no harm. You shall treat the stranger as native among you and love him as yourself, for you were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the Lord your God.
@@Lion_Hamza Habibi, Don't be a hypocrite Palestinians celebrate many killers as 'mujahidun' and 'shuhada' who've committed the same acts, without apology
@@joefreeman3772 Israel has streets named after terrorists. has special awards for them, has museums for them, military awards and allowed them into the army and government.
@@chainsaw3577 By not leaving Brooklyn to dispossess the indigenous people of their land. By apologizing. By paying reparations. By practicing his own religion in good faith instead of adopting the N@zi-like posture of ignoring those aspects that command him to treat others humanely. When your only tool is a hammer, everything looks like a nail. Unfortunately, you Zionists only came with hammers.
This is a act of a single emotional disturbed human being it happened once he did it on his own not under the government of Israel. But let's face the truth and reality everyday in Israel Israeli citizens face the same threats and the same terrorist acts and fierce that it can happen again which is being support it by the leaders of of those Arabs that live there You cannot compare these two stories let's face reality I would like to ask a question how come when the Jordanians were in control nobody demanded a Palestinian state when the English and the Turks were in control of this area nobody demanded a Palestinian state The answer to it is there's no such thing as a Palestinian people it never existed until Israel got this land which they came back after 2000 years of exile The Romans when they capture Jerusalem they changed the name of the place Philistine those people that live there are Arabs there's no such thing as Palestinians face the truth and face the facts I condemn what he did this is unacceptable but we go through this fear every single day
Zionist justification of murdering Palestinians. You,ve been doing it for a hundred years, who cares??? I can stay here counting Zionist massacres against the Palestinians for years and yet you zionists always play the victim.
How can these "religious" extremists claim they are carrying out G-d's will while at the same time rejecting G-d's very explicit commandments? Leviticus 19: 33-34 When a stranger dwells with you in your land, you shall do him no harm. You shall treat the stranger as native among you and love him as yourself, for you were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the Lord your God.
That’s an interesting point - but it’s much more complicated than that. If you read the whole Torah, you’ll find places where G-d says and instructs to wipe out Amalek (Deut. 25:19) and to destroy the nations living in the land (Deut 7:1, Deut 20:17). This is not to condone what Goldstein did or what religions extremists do, but to understand that it’s not as simple as just cherrypicking a verse that supports a cause.
@@UNPACKED It's not "cherry picking". The Amalek in Deut. refers to the past and Lev refers to now. The timeline actually matters. Either way, no one has the right to harm the innocent because of their interpretation - real or imagined- of their religion
You're definitely right that no one has the right to harm the innocent because of their interpretation - real or imagined- of their religion -- which is why I hope you condemn Hamas, whose very essence is doing just that.
No, they resist against colonizers and genociders because Palestinians are the indigenous population, the same way Jews resisted the SS, Native Americans resisted the British and Indigenous South Africans resisted the Boers. Do you condemn all those as well?
Oh boy, seems like you don't know much about Israel, Jews, and the region. Here are a few videos that may help you learn more: Are Jews indigenous to Israel or did they take over Palestine? ruclips.net/video/0BasXaiHiiI/видео.html Is Zionism Colonialism? ruclips.net/video/HkpAFhdPcVM/видео.html Let us know if you'd like more recommendations!
Well if you are going to build walls, limit what goes in and out, and also limit their economy for 75 years, do you think they would have the money for compensation?
Palestinian hatred for people that have slaughtered, brutalized and ethnically cleansed them, took their land and rights is justified. Jewish hatred is not
@@tahahagar7664 jewish hate justified to arab people who took their land didnt recugnise the jewish state in 1948 and try to killed them ever since and failed.
I used to debate the conflict in the Middle East with my father and a circle of politically active friends around the time of the latest intifada. It was a new issue back then and though most started from a steady base of preexisting concepts, it took us about 5 or 7 years to finally stop talking about it, altogether. Following a protracted period of lessening interest. Because there was nothing left to talk about after a while. All theoretical routes were explored and they all came to a set of conclusions that pretty much covered every identifiable sociopolitical agenda. If it took a handful of "outsiders" a few years to resolve the whole question, it shouldn't have taken much longer to the people in the thick of it to realize as much. To the extent that neither side employs any of the means available to it in implementing any of the clear cut options that would, from a political standpoint, resolve the conflict, either through critical escalation or decisive de-escalation, they're both responsible for maintaining the instability and both should burden the actual cost and actually both societies have proven over more than 70 years now that they'd rather pay the cost of dragging this on rather than going for a decisive breakthrough towards any conceivable direction... That the rest of the world would have to be dragged into it, along with them...of course they will! We are all human beings, after all... After all there's a bunch of hot spots around the world that might sprout a conflict that might spark out of control, at any given time, causing immense destruction on a global scale. And every local community is trusted with containing those conflicts. Because, for reasons practical even if poorly understood, the international relations scene is still pretty much governed by a law of the jungle where if your community is mature enough to cause trouble, they're also mature enough to handle it.
Palestinian here. I appreciate you took the time to think of any and all routes to a peaceful end. In my opinion, the power is with Israel to lessen the conflict but it does not due to xenophobia of Arabs and Muslims. I mean; let’s not pretend Zionists didn’t anticipate a inevitable conflict but they planned for it. People did migrate and ethnically cleanse Palestine while Britain and Zionists partitioned up the area as opposed to integrating. This is the problem. Colonial mindset. Palestine was already a hub. Not a great one but better than most (aka Germany or Russia). Onus is on Israel. Build a relationship with Hamas. They are not mere “terrorists” as people clammer on. We have justification to resist so the least you can do is attempt good faith negotiations and reconciliation for a century of fighting.
@@samwise4589 I can't see how Israel can do that. Hamas will not accept the existence of Israel. How do you create a relationship, or any sort of footing for talks, with an opponent whose position is that in rider for there to be peace you must cease to exist?
@@dm0065 Hamas historically had that shitty charter correct? The one where they vow to wage war on israel and its citizens. The charter has been changed. Leadership has changed. Charter now calls for pre 1967 lines. This is Hamas making the statement that pre 1967 lines are acceptable and theyre willing to talk. Now, why would israel not talk? Well they spent god knows how long and how much to convince people Hamas is a terrorist org (which its not), so talking to hamas would be seen as back peddling or "working with terrorists". I think its possible.
@@samwise4589 That is something, but do they say the 1967 lines are where peace is? Because if it were Israel would do that in two shakes. What it seems is that they want Israel to give up that territory so they, Hamas, can launch rockets from there. But if Hamas is willing to talk then great, they'll need to be ready to accept Israel can exist though. Otherwise it's just demanding Israel give up territory for nothing essentially.
@@dm0065 well, thats what negotiations are for. We dont know what israel will do, and we don't know what Hamas will do. Rockets didnt start out of nothing. And i dont care if it hurts your moral compass, people will fight. And in my opinion, its a just cause. I am against terrorism, and im telling you, Hamas should not be considered terrorists. Its the same as labelling israelis as nazis. Its a nice "gotcha" statement, but its an exaggeration. Deep down, i know what israel is doing isnt nazism, ands to make the similiarity is just to boil someones blood. Same with Hamas. They are not the same as ISIS for example. As for what Hamas or israel would do, we dont know. Thats why israel needs to accept Hamas's proposition and either counter it, or agree to it. But the talks need to start.
The condemed it because they had but for people in Kiryat Arba he was and still is a hero. As for the terrorists attacks that followed all those would have been carried out anyway, eventually, they probably just happened earlier because of it
@@heidiabreu348 "...I wanted to show the world that the "Jews had guts." Jack Ruby - after shooting an unarmed and likely innocent man while he was handcuffed and being held by his arms by police..."
@@heidiabreu348 They weren't praying...They were plotting. You need to understand that about the enemy. (Such naiveite on the Jewish side). Maybe that has changed after recent events.
Thanks for this video! We are still ahamed by what Baruh did. Nevertheless the one our goal is peace. Hope one day the opposite side will understand this clear
Hahaha I see the peace you want during the flag day march. Or when they destroy houses and expel families. Baruch Goldstein is the personification of Israeli apartheid
@@Mickey5070 I never wanted to go to this land of blood, but I'm already planning to go to Palestine. I want to see the walls and checkpoints. You know what people say about how Israelis treat tourists?
@@ivessandiego1545 I know how people treat tourists in Israel, because I live here. You may visit both sides to see how people live here with you own eyes. Just better to visit first Israel, and then West Bank or even Gaza if you dare. Just because if you'll go to Gaza first, you might never visit Tel-Aviv anymore 🤷♂️
@@Mickey5070 I'm not interested in Tel Aviv, I prefer places that have culture, something Israelis don't have. But I imagine what I would see, happy people with their easy lives enjoying the side of ap4rtheid oppressors.
Let us not forget the massacre of Israeli athletes in Munich in 1972.They too were innocent victims.Let us read history,n to remember to view both sides of the coin.
Hey Munich you remember because it was not in Israel. But in Israel we have terrorist attacks every day, they kill Jews Arabs Christians children old people, etc
Let s not forget the masscre od Deir Yasin The massacre of Tantoura, the massacre of Jaffa, the masscre of Lod, the masscre of Lifta, the masscre of kufr Qasem.....and I can stay here for years counting the zionist massacres against the Palestinians.
As a right wing Jewish Israeli I condemn all attacks against innocent civilians and I am proud that my country does as well. When Palestinian society will be like Israeli society there will be peace!!
YOUR COUNTRY DOES REALLY I HAT3 THIS ROOM I FEEL.BILE SAME WAY U DONT ASSOCIATE WITH ARAB I DONT ASSOCIATE.WITH HERECTIQUE I ACTUALLY SPIT.ON THE GROUND I SPIT AT SABRES NKUSA ORG
@Someoneak17 Somewhere Sharon did some good things and some bad things. His maneuvers beat the Egyptian army he built Jewish communities on uninhabited lands and he destroyed Jewish communities and that led to the strengthening of an oppressive regime in Gaza that harms both Israeli's and Palestinians.
You kept it unbiased till the end. You failed to hide your hate against Palestinians and Arabs at the end by cherry-picking pictures of extremists, when the same thing was found in Israelis after this massacre. Wasted a good video.
0:41Not to mention , he was an early devote follower and student of the late Meir Kahane (1932-1990) 0:44 And what he did was a retaliation of his murder and the hateful ideology that he was brought up with which today is now dubbed Kahanism Also he had a nightmare that the Jews were going to be massacred like Haman tried to do in the book of Esther. After his death in 1994 The Kach movement was outlawed by Israel, America, and many Western countries as a terrorist organization. 1:39 wrong, Goldstein actually emigrated to Israel in 1983
the price tag killers who burned a baby and his mother alive in 2014 had direct links to associated groups like kach, JDL, Kahane chai, as did the murder of alex odeh in california. this is an international crime ring posing as a govt.
Dr. Baruch* ברוך he was born as Benjamin, And changed the name as immigrating to Israel and getting married. He saved the lives of many people, including Arabs serving in the IDF as a doctor
goldstin is a notorious guy in Israel. the stain he left on the religeous jews and the right wing lasted for many years and this subject still comes up even 30 years later. on the other side when palestinians kill Israelis, they recieve money from their goverment and they considered heros. the more people they kill, the more they hurt, the more money they get. that's one of the greatest diffrences between the Israelis and the palestinians in my opinion. the money that the EU, the UN and some countries and anti- israeli organizations give to the palestinians as donations is being used as prizes for this "heros"
I love how he is trying to humanize a mass murder. showing the pictures of the isreali victims, but not those of the palestinian worshipers that were killed praying. As always showing the story in one direction, without stating any of the background facts. that he was a member of what even isreal declared to be a terrorist organisation. More importantly, you mention those killed in 1993 and 1994 in isreal, can you tell me how many palestinians died at the hand the occupation at the time? its easy to call the palestinian defending the lands and countried terrorists, when you take out the actions of the IDF.
You really know your subject, 02jh...You can't even spell Israel. More and more people are coming around to the fact that Dr. Baruch Goldstein was a hero.
"Jews around the world were quick to condemn". That is a clear lie. I read Jewish Fundamentalism in Israel by Israel Shahak and he was celebrated as a martyr.
@@chainsaw3577 Go back to Europe where your ancestors converted to Judaism. You have zero connection with this land. This Land is a holly one and does not embrace racists and criminals. Good and real jews are very welcome but zionist thugs are not.
If what you say is true, why was he giving a state funeral and a guard of honour? many of the rabbie never condemn instead heal his actions and blame the government gor exhausting him with work not to talk of pilgrims from all over the world flood to his tomb and ask for intercession. Your documentary disguish me.
Excellent video! You should have mentioned the massacre of Hebron's Jews in 1929 by the Arabs while the British army watched and did nothing. Many Jews in 1994 feared that the leftist government of Israel would allow history to repeat itself. Also, what makes Arabs more "Palestinian" than Jews? From 1948 until 1990, West Bank Arabs were considered JORDANIANS: that's why the West Bank is called the "West Bank," because the Jordanians considered it the West Bank of JORDAN.
Are you implying it was okay to brutally massacre innocent people because over 70+ years ago, a group of people 3 generations earlier killed a bunch of other people in the same place??
It's funny how after a religiously motivated attack the first act and overriding concern is to defend the religion in question and distance it from violence. Having to be constantly reminded how peaceful religions are suggests this may not be the case. Islam and Judaism are awash with violence and ethnic discrimination.
it doesn't matter what religion it is, any religion was, is and will be used to justify violence. religion is your morals guide, and religion can be practiced differently. Don't be a saint over there, your own religion not better.
@@TrashyWaffle Which religion? Classic mistake of the religious person to assume everyone must have a religion, Islam is above and beyond most other religions in it's sheer irrational violence and perversion, but this is because it was invented by a warlord. Any religion forged at a time of war is bound to be violent. Most religions are a supremacist Creed setting the believers above the "Unclean" infidels.
He's not a hero he's a murderer! There's NO justification for killing innocents! And before anyone says the IDF is killing innocents left and right you should know those "innocents" killed or tried to kill someone and that's why the IDF tried to arrest them. If the murderer isn't surrendering and attacking the cops/soldiers they shoot. It's like that in a lot of countries.
I like your video in general and I think it is quite balanced. But why did "terror attacks take the lives of 270 Israelis", and "the riots resulted in the death of 1,200 Palestinians"? In other words: "Israelis get killed, and Palestinians die". You should be careful with using this type of "us and them" language when discussing topics such as these. Also it might be worth mentioning that Kiryat Arbaa is a settlement that is considered illegal under international law and is a clear violation of the Fourth Geneva Convention. By not providing this detail you paint a false image about the current situation in the West Bank. The Israeli settlements in the West Bank are key to the conflict. What happens to the settlements will determine the future of Israel. Will it allow Palestinians to have a sovereign state, or will it stay an occupying power in the West Bank that practices apartheid against Palestinians?
he literally thwarted an October 7th-level attack. but hey, it's better to vilify religious people. The Supreme Court and media in Israel love doing that. they wake up every day with that goal.
Very well worded and carefully spoken narration but who'd understand it if they don't like Israelis/Jews? No careful wording will pacify a Jew-hater. Lastly, BG was an American first and then an Israeli.
I,d say who would ever be able to specify a ziont????? Hate and ethnic cleansing are embedded in the minds of zionists. Please don,t use jewsh and Israel interchangeably. We Palestinians differtiate between them clearly. No problems at all with jews and Judaism. Jews have been our cousins, our neighbors, and our friends for centuries, we used to babysit their kids in Yom Kippur and much more. Zionism and zionists are here to kill, to steal home, and to replace the Palestinians. They have been committing alot of crimes , massacres, and crimes against humanity. But ofcourse zionists refuse to see that so that they can continue committing their atrocities.
@@John-cg1ex on the previous elections he wasn't so popular and sometimes didn't even passed the elections. I think that the rising number of attacks on Israelis in the last year and a half, together with his more moderate attitude made him more popular. I think he should be thankfull to the palestinians, they helped him to be elected without voting for him.
Oppologize bec you lid, So you say, he was into voilence from his youth, and arrested many times for terrorist acts, also his godfather khana, then you make a very poor case of justification: you say Goldstein first handedly was exposed to the truma (wasn't he an army doctor, and what document do you have on that) , you say that Muslim worshipers started hate speech (again where is your documents) don't you know that this massacare happened in the holy month of Ramadan in the ibrahimi mosque no jew prays into mosque, you didn't say he was disguised in Israeli army uniform, you didn't say that he shot and killed children, shame on you.
Growing up in brooklyn is rough , you have to fight alot or you get punked , but i could imagine baruch going in front of hashem and elohim questioned him what gives you the right to destroy my creation ? , who knows him ,yeshua respond i do not know him , for he is of his father the devil
You failed to mention so many facts that change the entire narrative of this story. It’s a total shame that a decent young man like yourself would defend a terrorist and justify his actions on camera like this. Your ancestors’ legacy deserve better than that. Here are a couple of facts: 1- that terrorist lived on an illegal settlement on stolen Palestinian land, its not a “jewish neighbourhood”. It’s a colonial settlement. 2- after the shooting the army closed the gates and refused the injured worshipers medic attention which caused more deaths. So your whole piece on the government reaction is propagandaish and a simple research from any logical viewer will uncover it. 3- where’s your analysis on the trauma Palestinians carried after such heinous terrorist event? You didn’t even brush up on it for a little bit credibility. Where’s your heart? Where’s your “journalistic integrity”? Fam, beware, a fascist system holds the seeds of its demise within. It’s only a matter of time before Palestinians get their land back and tell his story on their own terms. While y’all are stuck with such fanatic Europeans settlers and their propagandists who will continue to kill each other in holy sites.
In a certain sense these Kahanist types are more intellectually consistent then the so called “liberal Zionists.” They are taking the colonialist founding ideology of Israel to its logical conclusion. No doubt they will continue to gain more influence in mainstream Israeli society.
"Ilegal settlement." You are being brainwashed by al jazeera. I don't support this terrorist of israel but i highly disagree with you about illegal settlement and that israel never care about this case. It's actually jewish land because God give it to jewish according to bible and archaological evidence suggest that jewish are descendants of cannanites due to cultural heritage. Israel called him as a shame for zionism and judaism. He didn't even recognized as jews. Israel labbelled kahanism as terrorist, took settlers arms and only allowed jews to pray.
@@antoniussamuelson3748 😂 “God gave the Jews that land” what a compelling argument! Well international law and the UN says it’s Palestinian land and all the settlements are illegal. And the dual legal system that exists between settlers and occupied Palestinians, along with the restricted movement of Palestinians, is apartheid.
@@idrislamont1064 bruh...UN.😂 What about NATO occupation of libya? UN passed the law that allowed NATO to intervene and kill gadaffi. UN are two face pretending to respect human rights while NATO enjoyed the oil in libya because of UN. UN is BS.
@@antoniussamuelson3748 Actually I totally agree with you on that. NATO is also a criminal organization especially what they did in Libya. Although you are forgetting that Israel supported NATOs actions in Libya and the Invasion of Iraq. Anyway you can read human rights watch report instead it’s not just the UN who condemns Israel.
Israel's goal has always been a refuge for Jews in a Jewish country of biblical origin, and peaceful relations with Arabs living in and outside of its boarders. If Israel can achieve a lasting peace with the Palestinian Arabs, notwithstanding the past violence and bloodshed, that would be a great achievement. Violence begets violence. Neither side "wins". Perhaps pursuing and achieving peace in spite of the violence is the secret catalyst to rebuilding the temple and perfecting the world. After all, at the root of it, we are all brothers.
Arabs? There are no Arabs in Levant. Here is some copy paste for you: A frequently recurring theme when discussing the history of Palestine, is the question of “who was there first?”. The implication being, whoever was there first deserves ownership of the land. I have lost count of how many times I have encountered the argument that “The Jewish people have been in Palestine before the Muslims/Arabs,” or a variation thereof. This has always struck me as an interesting example of how people learn just enough history to support their world view, separating it completely from any historical context or the larger picture of the region. Since this question is so widespread, and since I see it answered in different, and in my opinion, unhelpful ways, I would like to open up the topic for wider discussion. The argument is simple to follow: Palestinians today are mostly Arabs. The Arabs came to the Levant with the Muslim conquest of the region. Therefore, Arabs and as an extension Palestinians have only been in Palestine and the Levant since the seventh century AD. There are a couple of glaring problems with this line of thought. First of all, there is a clear conflation of Arabs, Muslims and Palestinians. None of these are interchangeable. Arabs have had a long history in the Levant before the advent of Islam. For example, The Nabataean kingdom ruled over Jordan, southern Palestine and Sinai a whole millennium before Muslims ever set foot in the area. Another example would be the Ghassanid kingdom, which was a Christian Arab kingdom that extended over vast areas of the region. As a matter of fact, many prominent Christian families in Palestine today, such as Maalouf, Haddad and Khoury, can trace their lineage back to the Ghassanid kingdom. The second problem with this is that there is a misunderstanding of the process that is the Arabization of the Middle East and North Africa. Once again, we must view the Islamization of newly conquered lands and their Arabization as two distinct phenomena. The Islamization process began instantly, albeit slowly. Persia, for example took over 2 centuries to become a majority Muslim province. The Levant, much longer. The Arabization of conquered provinces though, began later than their Islamization. The beginning of this process can be traced back to the Marwanid dynasty of the Ummayad Caliphate. Until that point, each province was ruled mostly with its own language, laws and currency. The process of the Arabization of the state united all these under Arabic speaking officials, and made it law that the language of state and of commerce would become Arabic. Thus, it became advantageous to assimilate into this identity, as many government positions and trade deals were offered only to Muslim Arabs. So although the vast majority of the population of these lands were not ethnically Arab, they came to identify as such over a millennium. Arab stopped being a purely ethnic identity, and morphed into a mainly cultural and linguistic one. In contrast to European colonialism of the new world, where the native population was mostly eradicated to make place for the invaders, the process in MENA is one of the conquered peoples mixing with and coming to identify as their conquerors without being physically removed, if not as Arabs, then as Muslims. Following from this, the Palestinian Arabs of today did not suddenly appear from the Arabian Peninsula in the 7th century to settle in Palestine, but are the same indigenous peoples living there who changed how they identified over time. This includes the descendants of every group that has ever called Palestine their home. When regions change rulers, they don’t normally change populations. Throughout history, peoples have often changed how they identified politically. The Sardinians eventually became Italians, Prussians became Germans. It would be laughable to suggest that the Sardinians were kicked out and replaced by a distinct foreign Italian people. We must separate the political nationalist identity of people from their personhood as human beings, as nationalism is a relatively modern concept, especially in the Middle East. Naturally, no region is a closed container. Trade, immigration, invasion and intermarriage all played a role in creating the current buildup of Palestinian society. There were many additions to the people of the land over the millennia. However, the fact remains that there was never a process where Arab or Muslim conquerors completely replaced the native population living there, only added to them. The trap So, what does this all mean for Palestine? Absolutely nothing. Although the argument has many ahistorical assumptions and claims, it is not these which form its greatest weakness. The whole argument is a trap. The basic implication of this line of argumentation is as follows: If the Jewish people were in Palestine before the Arabs, then the land belongs to them. Therefore, the creation of Israel would be justified. From my experience, whenever this argument is used, the automatic response of Palestinians is to say that their ancestors were there first. These ancestors being the Canaanites. The idea that Palestinians are the descendants of only one particular group in a region with mass migrations and dozens of different empires and peoples is not only ahistorical, but this line of thought indirectly legitimizes the original argument they are fighting against. This is because it implies that the only reason Israel’s creation is unjustified is because their Palestinian ancestors were there first. It implies that the problem with the argument lies in the details, not that the argument as a whole is absolute nonsense and shouldn’t even be entertained. The ethnic cleansing, massacres and colonialism needed to establish Israel can never be justified, regardless of who was there first. It’s a moot point. Even if we follow the argument that Palestinians have only been there for 1300 years, does this suddenly legitimize the expulsion of hundreds of thousands? Of course not. There is no possible scenario where it is excusable to ethnically cleanse a people and colonize their lands. Human rights apply to people universally, regardless of whether they have lived in an area for a year or ten thousand years. If we reject the “we were there first” argument, and not treat it as a legitimizing factor for Israel’s creation, then we can focus on the real history, without any ideological agendas. We could trace how our pasts intersected throughout the centuries. After all, there is indeed Jewish history in Palestine. This history forms a part of the Palestinian past and heritage, just like every other group, kingdom or empire that settled there does. We must stop viewing Palestinian and Jewish histories as competing, mutually exclusive entities, because for most of history they have not been. These positions can be maintained while simultaneously rejecting Zionism and its colonialism. After all, this ideologically driven impulse to imagine our ancestors as some closed, well defined, unchanging homogenous group having exclusive ownership over lands corresponding to modern day borders has nothing to do with the actual history of the area, and everything to do with modern notions of ethnic nationalism and colonialism.
How will Israel ever be a democratic refuge for Jews in a place where they are outnunbered? They will either have to stop being democratic (by denying Palestinians rights as they do now) or have to stop being Jewish. It's an impossible stance to have
@@muhammadabuzarkhan7450 Your long-winded comment is as grossly incomplete as it is long. HASHEM took this land from the Canaanites and gave it to the Hebrews, later called Jews. Your error here is that you are more "educated" in this trivial history and not familiar enough with the Torah (Or even the Quran, for that matter, where it states that the Land of Israel belongs to the Jews). Wake up, muhammadabuzarkhan7450, even if your brothers are ignorant of this.
@@charleshimes1634 I do not believe that God that claim to be the all merciful decide a group of people lose their land because their ancestor committed sin. In that way Israelites also committed a lot of sin and still do. Take away their land as well.
That's was intifada of the palestinian. They attacked us everyday, we can't don't do something. If the IDF can't do the full power, we need to do. This is the land of abraham, isaac and jakob. Hashem is the king of kings!🇮🇱🇮🇱🇮🇱
Against praying civilians? I dont think the intifada justifies such a disgusting act. Im definitely a Zionist but people like Amir and Goldstein are a shame and should not be apologized in any way. Contextualisation yes but youre defending his Acts.
@@oscarfra5170 A new age is coming, and your views will become the minority. Recent population statistics show there are now less Jews in Israel compared to Arabs. I’m afraid the time is now to fight back. On November 1st elect Netanyahu and Likud. Let’s see Ben gvir become Justice minister.
Why do certain Israelis consider him a hero? He killed innocent Palestinians. Do these people who worship him really believe in murdering all Palestinians? If so what credibility do they have when accusing Palestinians of terrorism?
If you were once in Gaza, you would know that they are all the same. There are no innocents. Dr. Golstein saved many people's lives including the lives of innocent Arabs and knew who not to treat (*terror!!!!!!!s-t-s*) and as in his famous quote from Ecclesiastes
"A time for the doctor and a time to kill"
If you were once in Gaza, you would know that they are all the same. There are no innocents. Dr. Golstein saved many people's lives including the lives of innocent Arabs and knew who not to treat (*terrorists*) and as in his famous quote from Ecclesiastes
"A time for the doctor and a time to kill"
every country has its horrible people that the hail as a hero, also fun fact, every side can have terrorists on it, reality isn't good guys vs bad guys, its bad guys vs bad guys
Most Israelis don’t consider him a hero. Only some do. There are always extremists in every society.
I consider him our "Israeli Unabomber". He was a good man with a bright future, however events made him insane. He lived as a physician in Israel for about 11 years, mostly working in communitary services on poor settlements. Most of his patients were people injured by arab attacks, mainly women and children. When he tried moving away from this stressful life, a muslim killed his rabbi, what did you expect him to think about arab and muslims?
I wonder why this wasn't showed in mainstream American news.
the things that are mainly shown in mainstream american news, are badly worded headlines. example : Palestinians launch rockest from a hospital, israel bombs that hospital. How will the headline be : ISRAEL BOMBS A HOSPITAL AND KILLS A FEW CITIZNES
It is.
@@lebronjames5577 1. The headline were exactly what you wrote
2. How is your opposition just?
@@lebronjames5577Hamas launches rockets from hospital!
@@amitkenan3878 No they dont, and even if, you dont bomb an entire hospital you psychopath. And if you want firecrackers not launched against you maybe stop the genocide, ethnic cleansing, apartheid and occupation
Just to remind you guys, this guys grave is glorified till this day.
EDIT, read the replies to my comment, they still glorify him
Israeli defense minister used to have a shrine to Goldstein in his home
@@ansel5848 they are openly supporting extremists and terrorists. The far right Israelis are terrible, Ben Gvir is attending terrorists memorials and supporting extremist group (Kach). How can you let these terrorists rule a country?
@@ansel5848*national security minister
He had many supporters and was only banned because he would have been the leader of the 3rd largest political group in Israel. He was murdered to keep the status quo quiet so Israel can maintain it's relationship with the West. Look at what Israel is becoming again today. There is a Kahane in the hearts of every right-wing Israeli.
If he was European he would not be praised very biased country Israel ...
Now make a video about why current Israeli National Security Minister used to have a portrait of Baruch Goldstein in his living room
Make one when he become pm
@@raghavmantri3464 hopefully make one before that so he doesn’t become PM
Ben Gvir
Lúcifer
It's on of Palestine's holiest sites, not "one of Israel's holiest sites". It's in Hebron!
Your ignorance is astounding. You can't be Jewish.
They just pretend to ignore the difference. It's a real shame.
It’s still very culturally and religiously important for many Israelis, though. And the Palestinian Territories are only semi-independent at the moment, so it’s not entirely wrong to call it an Israeli site.
@@capncake8837, wow. They are occupied lands. Calling it Israeli territories is aidind the colonialist agenda of the genocidal zionist state of Israel.
You obviously know nothing
... and yet, Itamar Ben Gvir - a follower of both Kahana and Goldstein, is currently a member of the Knesset.
Today in Israel there was a pride festival and he told in one show that if his son was gay he would still love him. (And just to be clear is religous and wanted to stop the LGTBQ community festival)
Today everybody knows khana was right
@@sagivmaaravi763 it doesn't mean nothing. He's a politician now. Also, that doesn't say anything about his views on Arabs.
@@harryoberlander2085 that's like saying "today everyone knows that Hitler was right". Both these statements are utter bullshit, and anyone who holds them is a monster that should be cast away from society.
So is mansur abbas
A question. You said that Goldstein fired around a partition. I visited the Cave of the Patriarchs last year and I was told that the partition, including separate entrances was put up as a result of the Massacre. At the time, I believe it was "open plan". I visited both sides: the Jewish side with our Jewish guide and the Muslim side with a Palestinian.
hello, I am a Palestinian who used to live in Hebron. The separate quarters has been there for some time however the separate entrances were only built after the massacre. The partition has been there since around 1994, although something may have changed in the 15 years since I've been to the mosque. The way the massacre happened was Goldstein has armed with his riffle as his time in the IDF. There were 9 IDF soldiers assigned to patrol Ibrahimi mosque, 4 of which were late that day. The head officer on duty say Goldstein go in and since they were spread rather thin, he assumed Goldstein was a soldier on duty going into the compound to pray on the Jewish side, so he didn't stop him. Then he obviously did the massacre. That's why they built the separate entrances because it likely would've stopped the massacre.
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It was a different time. The Jews were being attacked all the time in the early 90s. Goldstein was devastated his close friend's son who was murdered. He gave up his 4 kids and wife. It's more complicated than an evil terrorist. Kahane who married Goldstein(as the Rabbi 😂) was murdered 4 years prior(well 3.5) in NYC. Like the Hamas membership who've committed disgusting acts also, but it's an act of desperation.
@@Imhereforfun-jz2lu If I recall my history correctly, the attacks on Israelis (suicide bombings etc.), only began AFTER the Ibrahimi Mosque massacre and the brutal police assaults that followed. Remember that Arafat threw down arms and agreed to a peace deal that was heavily in Israel's favour, yet Palestinians were still brutalised, subjugated and oppressed and since then, have been living in a swiss cheese state, surrounded by Israeli settlements and military zones, a state that gets thinner and thinner with each passing moment.
@@truebeliever786 You recall it incorrectly. Goldstein was a medical Doctor who treated wounded Jews and was pushed to breaking point. Kahane had been assassinated and Dov Lior(his local Rabbi) was a very right wing religious Zionist. He probably encouraged this sort of thing. Not condoning but explaining. BG was no doubt a Jewish extremist and supremacist.
What play at the start and at the end of each video ? I really like this sound)
"Harem Schiksa" by Handel
There will always be emotionally fragile people like Goldstein in any community. The mass murdering terrorists use these tactics w/ the expressed purpose of causing such reactions so as to exploit them as propaganda opportunities.
I mean, I'm an atheist, but it's pretty obvious that he was provoked.
so when other do it they are lone wolf or they were provoked but when muslim do its their religion but the video is sham at being apologetic their are accounts of thousands of isrealis mourning at this grave till to this day settler go to his grave and pray . i lived in in Hebron and most isreali have no remorse for this event instead they see it as good thing
@@monisahmedrizvi1697 IDF war hero!
@@chainsaw3577 Remorseless psychopath
@@chainsaw3577 thoughts on goldstein?
I condemn this act of terrorism.
So f'ing what ? And you are what, a high school student.
@@junaid1
Do you fault someone for being young?
I welcome his opinions and appreciate his response.
While your is deragatory for no sensible reason n
@Hadassa
So when the Zionist invaded the West bank
And the Palestinians fled
In 100 years they will live there again
And so
Israel bombs the refugee camps because they know this
Worse than anything's ng safaam Hussain did , it sent it?
@@junaid1 , get a life
Goddamn homosexual
Goldstein: WE NEED A FINAL SOLUTION TO THE PALESTINIAN PROBLEM!
Guy in video: We'll never know what Goldstein motives were.
It is a good sign when a society condemns one of its own for committing a heinous act (Israel) but a deeply disturbing one when a society not only condones evil deeds but calls for more (Palestinian territories).
Macnos Mutano You got THAT right.🎯🎯🎯👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
daniel albo Why do you Hasbara trolls lie so often in order to propagate the agenda of annexing more land, then blame Arabs for what you do?
Macnos Mutano Sadly, bigotry and larger nations bullying the weaker ones will most likely never end until mankind ends. While Israel is still funded by the US it will remain an uncontrollable bully.
@ I am against US aid to Israel and I'm Israeli...Israel isn't going anywhere...no matter how hard you try! We Jews are native to our holy land (obviously) Israel is called the Holy Land because of us Jews...Judaism says that! Judaism and the Jewish people have been around way longer than Islam. When the Jewish people were made into a nation the Arabs were still fighting over each other's tents in the middle of the desert and killing their baby daughters because they wanted a boy. These are not hate comments...just plain facts.
@@AsemSaleh Crimes go on throughout the world everyday sadly. Judaism is the reason why people realize crime is wrong. Christianity and Islam are all distorted copies of Judaism. So mister Saleh...go get an education.
As usual, very interesting.
This guy was a monster just like the murderers of the Charleston church, Sutherland Springs church, Tree of Life synagogue and the Christchurch mosque.
You have to be really evil to do this to innocent human beings anywhere, but especially in houses of worship.
I don’t think you can understand. I was no fan of Goldstein, but you cannot compare him to those other groups
@@thechosensuperstar966 What do you mean?
@@oofmcoofy6769 Goldstein wanted his people to be left alone. Those other groups were radicals and supremests
@@thechosensuperstar966 His people were radicals and supremacists themselves, idiot!
lol as zionists are trying to start a war on the so called temple mount even tho mainstream archeologists say the original temple mount the romans tore down was near the city of david and spring of gehon, but the culture hawks would rather have violence then to build their temple somewhere else where families dont have to be thrown out of their homes.
Ben Gvir's golden calf.
Why was he talking to Arafat if he despised murderers?
Murder is wrong
Leviticus 19: 33-34
When a stranger dwells with you in your land, you shall do him no harm. You shall treat the stranger as native among you and love him as yourself, for you were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the Lord your God.
The fact that most Israeli's don't agree with this shows their humanity.
You are full of.......! He is for many a hero! Right wing radicals are in power in israel!
@@Lion_Hamza Habibi, Don't be a hypocrite Palestinians celebrate many killers as 'mujahidun' and 'shuhada' who've committed the same acts, without apology
U mean the same population that has appointed terrorists as Prime ministers?
@@joefreeman3772 Israel has streets named after terrorists. has special awards for them, has museums for them, military awards and allowed them into the army and government.
@@deficrypto1234 that is a complete lie, no terrorist is been praised in Israel, gibe me names, what terrorists are been viewed as heros?
the final notes could have been tenuously true when the video was published, but they are utterly false now
My god this was terrifying
Rocks thrown daily - how would you respond?
@@chainsaw3577 With equal force. I guess I'm just not an inhuman sociopath :/
@@chainsaw3577 occupying lands....how you will respond?
@@Sarkoths_ClawFriend's and their kids killed..
@@chainsaw3577 By not leaving Brooklyn to dispossess the indigenous people of their land. By apologizing. By paying reparations. By practicing his own religion in good faith instead of adopting the N@zi-like posture of ignoring those aspects that command him to treat others humanely. When your only tool is a hammer, everything looks like a nail. Unfortunately, you Zionists only came with hammers.
This is a act of a single emotional disturbed human being it happened once he did it on his own not under the government of Israel. But let's face the truth and reality everyday in Israel Israeli citizens face the same threats and the same terrorist acts and fierce that it can happen again which is being support it by the leaders of of those Arabs that live there You cannot compare these two stories let's face reality I would like to ask a question how come when the Jordanians were in control nobody demanded a Palestinian state when the English and the Turks were in control of this area nobody demanded a Palestinian state The answer to it is there's no such thing as a Palestinian people it never existed until Israel got this land which they came back after 2000 years of exile The Romans when they capture Jerusalem they changed the name of the place Philistine those people that live there are Arabs there's no such thing as Palestinians face the truth and face the facts I condemn what he did this is unacceptable but we go through this fear every single day
Zionist justification of murdering Palestinians. You,ve been doing it for a hundred years, who cares???
I can stay here counting Zionist massacres against the Palestinians for years and yet you zionists always play the victim.
How can these "religious" extremists claim they are carrying out G-d's will while at the same time rejecting G-d's very explicit commandments?
Leviticus 19: 33-34
When a stranger dwells with you in your land, you shall do him no harm. You shall treat the stranger as native among you and love him as yourself, for you were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the Lord your God.
That’s an interesting point - but it’s much more complicated than that. If you read the whole Torah, you’ll find places where G-d says and instructs to wipe out Amalek (Deut. 25:19) and to destroy the nations living in the land (Deut 7:1, Deut 20:17). This is not to condone what Goldstein did or what religions extremists do, but to understand that it’s not as simple as just cherrypicking a verse that supports a cause.
@@UNPACKED It's not "cherry picking". The Amalek in Deut. refers to the past and Lev refers to now. The timeline actually matters. Either way, no one has the right to harm the innocent because of their interpretation - real or imagined- of their religion
You're definitely right that no one has the right to harm the innocent because of their interpretation - real or imagined- of their religion -- which is why I hope you condemn Hamas, whose very essence is doing just that.
No, they resist against colonizers and genociders because Palestinians are the indigenous population, the same way Jews resisted the SS, Native Americans resisted the British and Indigenous South Africans resisted the Boers. Do you condemn all those as well?
Oh boy, seems like you don't know much about Israel, Jews, and the region. Here are a few videos that may help you learn more:
Are Jews indigenous to Israel or did they take over Palestine? ruclips.net/video/0BasXaiHiiI/видео.html
Is Zionism Colonialism? ruclips.net/video/HkpAFhdPcVM/видео.html
Let us know if you'd like more recommendations!
Surely they must know that the shrine to Goldstein was bulldozed in 1999
A bigger and better one was built and Baruch Goodstein Ave in Tel Aviv...
@@chainsaw3577 and they should still both be annihilated. His memory will be erased.
This video is hasbara. Trying to justify and explain a fascist
Where is the compensation from the Palestinian authority for all the terror attacks
Answer: none they only have money for terrorism
@Richi RIch "Good" answer
Well if you are going to build walls, limit what goes in and out, and also limit their economy for 75 years, do you think they would have the money for compensation?
2 wrongs on both sides don't make a right.
What’s the wrong on palestine side ?
@@f7mog they elected terrorists group in gaza they try to destroy israel since 1948 and etc...
@@f7mog the streets named after people that murdered entire families 😑, you can complain about Israel but don't say Palestinians are not wrongdoers
@@chnsm Must we live in terror daily?
How come you don't mention how many Palestinians were killed and displaced?
Because it’s not relevant to this specific topic.
This is an awesome, masterful handling of a difficult subject. So intelligent. Kol hakavod.
So much hate on all sides and no end.
Palestinian hatred for people that have slaughtered, brutalized and ethnically cleansed them, took their land and rights is justified. Jewish hatred is not
@@tahahagar7664 jewish hate justified to arab people who took their land didnt recugnise the jewish state in 1948 and try to killed them ever since and failed.
@@tahahagar7664 your God is so weak he can't even free Palestine 😂
Israel is keeping a critic eye on its radicals, whether religious or nationalist.
Whereas Palestinians name roads after them.
That's the difference.
Keep lying to yourself.
@@MrCIM92 Is it your only argument?
@@DogesBasement They are in power lol and doing settlements what more you need?
@@DogesBasement What's yours ? Free Palestine stealer.
@@warror9559 You can't steal the free.
And wasn’t that settlement he lived in illegal?
It depends on whether you worship the UN or HASHEM.
This take seems extremely biased for one side
I used to debate the conflict in the Middle East with my father and a circle of politically active friends around the time of the latest intifada.
It was a new issue back then and though most started from a steady base of preexisting concepts, it took us about 5 or 7 years to finally stop talking about it, altogether. Following a protracted period of lessening interest. Because there was nothing left to talk about after a while. All theoretical routes were explored and they all came to a set of conclusions that pretty much covered every identifiable sociopolitical agenda.
If it took a handful of "outsiders" a few years to resolve the whole question, it shouldn't have taken much longer to the people in the thick of it to realize as much.
To the extent that neither side employs any of the means available to it in implementing any of the clear cut options that would, from a political standpoint, resolve the conflict, either through critical escalation or decisive de-escalation, they're both responsible for maintaining the instability and both should burden the actual cost and actually both societies have proven over more than 70 years now that they'd rather pay the cost of dragging this on rather than going for a decisive breakthrough towards any conceivable direction...
That the rest of the world would have to be dragged into it, along with them...of course they will! We are all human beings, after all...
After all there's a bunch of hot spots around the world that might sprout a conflict that might spark out of control, at any given time, causing immense destruction on a global scale. And every local community is trusted with containing those conflicts.
Because, for reasons practical even if poorly understood, the international relations scene is still pretty much governed by a law of the jungle where if your community is mature enough to cause trouble, they're also mature enough to handle it.
Palestinian here.
I appreciate you took the time to think of any and all routes to a peaceful end. In my opinion, the power is with Israel to lessen the conflict but it does not due to xenophobia of Arabs and Muslims. I mean; let’s not pretend Zionists didn’t anticipate a inevitable conflict but they planned for it. People did migrate and ethnically cleanse Palestine while Britain and Zionists partitioned up the area as opposed to integrating. This is the problem. Colonial mindset. Palestine was already a hub. Not a great one but better than most (aka Germany or Russia).
Onus is on Israel. Build a relationship with Hamas. They are not mere “terrorists” as people clammer on. We have justification to resist so the least you can do is attempt good faith negotiations and reconciliation for a century of fighting.
@@samwise4589 I can't see how Israel can do that. Hamas will not accept the existence of Israel. How do you create a relationship, or any sort of footing for talks, with an opponent whose position is that in rider for there to be peace you must cease to exist?
@@dm0065 Hamas historically had that shitty charter correct? The one where they vow to wage war on israel and its citizens. The charter has been changed. Leadership has changed. Charter now calls for pre 1967 lines. This is Hamas making the statement that pre 1967 lines are acceptable and theyre willing to talk. Now, why would israel not talk? Well they spent god knows how long and how much to convince people Hamas is a terrorist org (which its not), so talking to hamas would be seen as back peddling or "working with terrorists". I think its possible.
@@samwise4589 That is something, but do they say the 1967 lines are where peace is? Because if it were Israel would do that in two shakes. What it seems is that they want Israel to give up that territory so they, Hamas, can launch rockets from there. But if Hamas is willing to talk then great, they'll need to be ready to accept Israel can exist though. Otherwise it's just demanding Israel give up territory for nothing essentially.
@@dm0065 well, thats what negotiations are for. We dont know what israel will do, and we don't know what Hamas will do. Rockets didnt start out of nothing. And i dont care if it hurts your moral compass, people will fight. And in my opinion, its a just cause. I am against terrorism, and im telling you, Hamas should not be considered terrorists. Its the same as labelling israelis as nazis. Its a nice "gotcha" statement, but its an exaggeration. Deep down, i know what israel is doing isnt nazism, ands to make the similiarity is just to boil someones blood. Same with Hamas. They are not the same as ISIS for example.
As for what Hamas or israel would do, we dont know. Thats why israel needs to accept Hamas's proposition and either counter it, or agree to it. But the talks need to start.
The condemed it because they had but for people in Kiryat Arba he was and still is a hero. As for the terrorists attacks that followed all those would have been carried out anyway, eventually, they probably just happened earlier because of it
Justifying the killing of innocent worshipers is simply insane!!
@@heidiabreu348 "...I wanted to show the world that the "Jews had guts." Jack Ruby - after shooting an unarmed and likely innocent man while he was handcuffed and being held by his arms by police..."
@@heidiabreu348 They weren't praying...They were plotting. You need to understand that about the enemy. (Such naiveite on the Jewish side). Maybe that has changed after recent events.
@3:00 the most important part of the whole video.
Thanks for this video! We are still ahamed by what Baruh did. Nevertheless the one our goal is peace. Hope one day the opposite side will understand this clear
Hahaha I see the peace you want during the flag day march. Or when they destroy houses and expel families. Baruch Goldstein is the personification of Israeli apartheid
@@ivessandiego1545 have you ever been here?
@@Mickey5070 I never wanted to go to this land of blood, but I'm already planning to go to Palestine. I want to see the walls and checkpoints. You know what people say about how Israelis treat tourists?
@@ivessandiego1545 I know how people treat tourists in Israel, because I live here. You may visit both sides to see how people live here with you own eyes. Just better to visit first Israel, and then West Bank or even Gaza if you dare. Just because if you'll go to Gaza first, you might never visit Tel-Aviv anymore 🤷♂️
@@Mickey5070 I'm not interested in Tel Aviv, I prefer places that have culture, something Israelis don't have. But I imagine what I would see, happy people with their easy lives enjoying the side of ap4rtheid oppressors.
100 percent biased
just the facts no opinion great youtube channel
I thought he was a dentist.
A very good dentist...
אתם מקלים עם הרוצח ועם המחנה שלו.
Baruch was a horrible human being.
@interesting. You must be a psychopath to think killing innocents is good.
@Nick Arjomand Accountable for what..?
@Nick Arjomand how is that relevant in this conversation?
you guys consider him as hero in Hebron settlments
@@jabbathetrump187 same innocents who shouted "slaughter all jews" that same day
Let us not forget the massacre of Israeli athletes in Munich in 1972.They too were innocent victims.Let us read history,n to remember to view both sides of the coin.
Don't forget the collapses of the Maccabean Bridge and Versailles Wedding Chapel are linked to Hamas, too!
Hey Munich you remember because it was not in Israel. But in Israel we have terrorist attacks every day, they kill Jews Arabs Christians children old people, etc
Let s not forget the masscre od Deir Yasin
The massacre of Tantoura, the massacre of Jaffa, the masscre of Lod, the masscre of Lifta, the masscre of kufr Qasem.....and I can stay here for years counting the zionist massacres against the Palestinians.
Make-believe.@@hassanabuhassan3978
@@hassanabuhassan3978 the massacre of your mind.
Very interesting indeed
The problem is, that now, in Israel, we have one of Goldsteins' fanboys, in the government.
As a right wing Jewish Israeli I condemn all attacks against innocent civilians and I am proud that my country does as well. When Palestinian society will be like Israeli society there will be peace!!
Ok for you to be right wing anyone else is a nazi
Anti Zionism and proud of it
AS EH RIGHT ANTI ZIONIST
I DONT.CARE
ALL GOOD TO BE.RIGHT.WING ZIONIST
BUT.OHH DEAR.ANYONE.HATE.ZIONIST.IS ANTI SEMITE
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@Someoneak17 Somewhere I worship the G-d of Abraham Issac and Jacob and no one else.
@Someoneak17 Somewhere Sharon did some good things and some bad things. His maneuvers beat the Egyptian army he built Jewish communities on uninhabited lands and he destroyed Jewish communities and that led to the strengthening of an oppressive regime in Gaza that harms both Israeli's and Palestinians.
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Kahanists were condemned back then, but now there are Kahanists in the government. I wish they were in prison and not in the government.
Well handed topic.
Killing 1 innocent person is like killing ALL of humanity. Saving 1 kife is like saving ALL of humanity.
You kept it unbiased till the end. You failed to hide your hate against Palestinians and Arabs at the end by cherry-picking pictures of extremists, when the same thing was found in Israelis after this massacre. Wasted a good video.
We definitely have no hate towards Arabs, Palestinians, or Muslims. We're sorry you feel that is the case.
@@UNPACKED of course not, the Jew hates all Gentiles with equal passion, the Talmud is very clear.
@@toobalkain that is disgusting. Just piss off if you’re gonna spread these lies
He (baruh) was not a new kind of evil he was just like many many many Arabs
@Someoneak17 Somewhere exactly Arabs did those things that remind us of baruh Goldstein
Ask Dov Lior what he thought. That was his Rabbi. And he also approved what happened to Rabin..
He approved but Goldstein had lost many friends..
this Goldstein jit half backed if ya feel me feel me 🥴
Make a video about the attack on U.S.S. Liberty or something the Semites have done we all haven't heard about
This is literally one of the best balanced videos I’ve ever seen, made by a party to a conflict
Nothing balanced here
@@burhan8795 how?
I don't see where you see balance. This guy was more bias than bias can be. Give me a break.
@@rhoulaso r u saying he’s pro Palestine ?
0:41Not to mention , he was an early devote follower and student of the late Meir Kahane (1932-1990)
0:44
And what he did was a retaliation of his murder and the hateful ideology that he was brought up with which today is now dubbed Kahanism
Also he had a nightmare that the Jews were going to be massacred like Haman tried to do in the book of Esther.
After his death in 1994
The Kach movement was outlawed by Israel, America, and many Western countries as a terrorist organization.
1:39 wrong, Goldstein actually emigrated to Israel in 1983
the price tag killers who burned a baby and his mother alive in 2014 had direct links to associated groups like kach, JDL, Kahane chai, as did the murder of alex odeh in california. this is an international crime ring posing as a govt.
Those Palestinians taunting him when he was praying also probably hardened his views.
30 years has passed..
Brachrachucgh Goldstein... is what I hear when this guy pronounces the killer's name. 😐 very phlegmy.
That's Hebrew for ya
Dr. Baruch* ברוך he was born as Benjamin, And changed the name as immigrating to Israel and getting married.
He saved the lives of many people, including Arabs serving in the IDF as a doctor
goldstin is a notorious guy in Israel. the stain he left on the religeous jews and the right wing lasted for many years and this subject still comes up even 30 years later.
on the other side
when palestinians kill Israelis, they recieve money from their goverment and they considered heros. the more people they kill, the more they hurt, the more money they get.
that's one of the greatest diffrences between the Israelis and the palestinians in my opinion.
the money that the EU, the UN and some countries and anti- israeli organizations give to the palestinians as donations is being used as prizes for this "heros"
A monster who was psychologically unhinged...
Goldstein fought and gave his life for our existence. Sorry you can't see that...!
Baruch Goldstein was an honest Jew!
@@erickomar3152 He murdered so many undefended unarmed creations of Hashem- he was unhinged & you admire that?Shame on you.a Chilul Hashem...
@@Coconutkid788 I support people who are honest about their intentions.
@@erickomar3152 You are sick in the head- a Equivalence of Kanye West
What is your yeshiva bro?!💞💞💞
Context is everything.
if he is palestinian he will be called as hero.
Were you not aware that there is a shrine dedicated to this piece of filth in his suburb? The piece of filth is considered a martyr by many.
@@Will_Moffett not majority.
israelis do think he is a hero.
@@SidewaysBurnouts then why they put more security and metal detector to prevent it happen again?
@@jaeger9654 PR
I love how he is trying to humanize a mass murder. showing the pictures of the isreali victims, but not those of the palestinian worshipers that were killed praying. As always showing the story in one direction, without stating any of the background facts. that he was a member of what even isreal declared to be a terrorist organisation. More importantly, you mention those killed in 1993 and 1994 in isreal, can you tell me how many palestinians died at the hand the occupation at the time? its easy to call the palestinian defending the lands and countried terrorists, when you take out the actions of the IDF.
29 for 1. IDF numbers are much higher and greatly appreciated.
You really know your subject, 02jh...You can't even spell Israel. More and more people are coming around to the fact that Dr. Baruch Goldstein was a hero.
Vicious circle so sad…
"Jews around the world were quick to condemn". That is a clear lie. I read Jewish Fundamentalism in Israel by Israel Shahak and he was celebrated as a martyr.
you are justyifing the crime
He is a stain on our people
If someone kills rats - his soul remains clean!
Zionists and zionism are a disaster for your people and for good jews and good Judaism.
@@chainsaw3577
Go back to Europe where your ancestors converted to Judaism. You have zero connection with this land.
This Land is a holly one and does not embrace racists and criminals.
Good and real jews are very welcome but zionist thugs are not.
If what you say is true, why was he giving a state funeral and a guard of honour? many of the rabbie never condemn instead heal his actions and blame the government gor exhausting him with work not to talk of pilgrims from all over the world flood to his tomb and ask for intercession. Your documentary disguish me.
Качественная хасбара, мне нравится.
Excellent video!
You should have mentioned the massacre of Hebron's Jews in 1929 by the Arabs while the British army watched and did nothing. Many Jews in 1994 feared that the leftist government of Israel would allow history to repeat itself.
Also, what makes Arabs more "Palestinian" than Jews? From 1948 until 1990, West Bank Arabs were considered JORDANIANS: that's why the West Bank is called the "West Bank," because the Jordanians considered it the West Bank of JORDAN.
Are you implying it was okay to brutally massacre innocent people because over 70+ years ago, a group of people 3 generations earlier killed a bunch of other people in the same place??
and they call palestinians terrorists 😑
Did you even watched the video?
@@Woobyer yes why?
@@user-cs2mx4lt3q because there are Palestinians terrorists and that’s a fact.
Cuz they are
@@Polo12348 wow how racist bro did you even watch the video?
Khna Tsdq
This video keeps going off topic...
It's funny how after a religiously motivated attack the first act and overriding concern is to defend the religion in question and distance it from violence. Having to be constantly reminded how peaceful religions are suggests this may not be the case. Islam and Judaism are awash with violence and ethnic discrimination.
it doesn't matter what religion it is, any religion was, is and will be used to justify violence.
religion is your morals guide, and religion can be practiced differently.
Don't be a saint over there, your own religion not better.
@@TrashyWaffle Which religion? Classic mistake of the religious person to assume everyone must have a religion, Islam is above and beyond most other religions in it's sheer irrational violence and perversion, but this is because it was invented by a warlord. Any religion forged at a time of war is bound to be violent. Most religions are a supremacist Creed setting the believers above the "Unclean" infidels.
Yeah because most terrorist groups are Jewish, right?
No "religion" has been responsible for more suffering and deaths in history THAN CHRISTIANITY, charliecatesby3346 !
"A loathsome, criminal act of muder" yet you knew that he was an extremist and had evidence about it and turned a blind eye
He was a hero!
He's not a hero he's a murderer! There's NO justification for killing innocents! And before anyone says the IDF is killing innocents left and right you should know those "innocents" killed or tried to kill someone and that's why the IDF tried to arrest them. If the murderer isn't surrendering and attacking the cops/soldiers they shoot. It's like that in a lot of countries.
Dr. Golstein saved the lives of many people, including Arabs serving in the IDF
You gave a justification then said I m not going to give justification
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I like your video in general and I think it is quite balanced. But why did "terror attacks take the lives of 270 Israelis", and "the riots resulted in the death of 1,200 Palestinians"? In other words: "Israelis get killed, and Palestinians die". You should be careful with using this type of "us and them" language when discussing topics such as these. Also it might be worth mentioning that Kiryat Arbaa is a settlement that is considered illegal under international law and is a clear violation of the Fourth Geneva Convention. By not providing this detail you paint a false image about the current situation in the West Bank. The Israeli settlements in the West Bank are key to the conflict. What happens to the settlements will determine the future of Israel. Will it allow Palestinians to have a sovereign state, or will it stay an occupying power in the West Bank that practices apartheid against Palestinians?
International Law??? You give credence to International Law???
he literally thwarted an October 7th-level attack.
but hey, it's better to vilify religious people.
The Supreme Court and media in Israel love doing that. they wake up every day with that goal.
Yes, the Arabs were very quiet for some time afterward.
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Your closing remarks gave you away.
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Very well worded and carefully spoken narration but who'd understand it if they don't like Israelis/Jews? No careful wording will pacify a Jew-hater. Lastly, BG was an American first and then an Israeli.
I,d say who would ever be able to specify a ziont????? Hate and ethnic cleansing are embedded in the minds of zionists.
Please don,t use jewsh and Israel interchangeably. We Palestinians differtiate between them clearly. No problems at all with jews and Judaism.
Jews have been our cousins, our neighbors, and our friends for centuries, we used to babysit their kids in Yom Kippur and much more.
Zionism and zionists are here to kill, to steal home, and to replace the Palestinians. They have been committing alot of crimes , massacres, and crimes against humanity. But ofcourse zionists refuse to see that so that they can continue committing their atrocities.
His actions are no different to the perpetrators of the Nakbah.
the nakba = the war that arabs start to destroy israel and lost and crying ever since
@@SigalDa no it isn't
@@ilomilo1387 yes it is
@@SigalDa fact.
Drunk.....
It's February. May Allah grant them paradise.
ALLA is elohim And the Jews are his servants
The new government will Itamar Gvril a supporter of Goldstein. There is a memorial to him in the Israeli settlement of Kiryat Arba.
Why a memorial...? It's like the Americans memorialize confederate generals...
I don't like ben gvir much but he changed himself and he is less extreme than he was 30 years ago when it happened. at least that's what he says.
That’s the problem, not a justification, instead a warning of rising fascism.
In your dreams, or perhaps the Zionist center has revealed its failure and only fascism remains.
@@John-cg1ex on the previous elections he wasn't so popular and sometimes didn't even passed the elections. I think that the rising number of attacks on Israelis in the last year and a half, together with his more moderate attitude made him more popular.
I think he should be thankfull to the palestinians, they helped him to be elected without voting for him.
My hero 🙌🏽🙌🏽🙌🏽🙌🏽 Baruch Goldstein CHAIIIIIIIIIII
So you like killing people...?
Pinchas in the Bible would have done the same
gloire a Baruch
And they hurt the Jews every day😭
what
@@F_antomas You made the list, pal!
@@chainsaw3577 you are bunch of criminals .... you're not a '' man of God''
Now I hope we understand why Palestine is attacking Israel
Oppologize bec you lid, So you say, he was into voilence from his youth, and arrested many times for terrorist acts, also his godfather khana, then you make a very poor case of justification: you say Goldstein first handedly was exposed to the truma (wasn't he an army doctor, and what document do you have on that) , you say that Muslim worshipers started hate speech (again where is your documents) don't you know that this massacare happened in the holy month of Ramadan in the ibrahimi mosque no jew prays into mosque, you didn't say he was disguised in Israeli army uniform, you didn't say that he shot and killed children, shame on you.
Growing up in brooklyn is rough , you have to fight alot or you get punked , but i could imagine baruch going in front of hashem and elohim questioned him what gives you the right to destroy my creation ? , who knows him ,yeshua respond i do not know him , for he is of his father the devil
You failed to mention so many facts that change the entire narrative of this story. It’s a total shame that a decent young man like yourself would defend a terrorist and justify his actions on camera like this. Your ancestors’ legacy deserve better than that. Here are a couple of facts:
1- that terrorist lived on an illegal settlement on stolen Palestinian land, its not a “jewish neighbourhood”. It’s a colonial settlement.
2- after the shooting the army closed the gates and refused the injured worshipers medic attention which caused more deaths. So your whole piece on the government reaction is propagandaish and a simple research from any logical viewer will uncover it.
3- where’s your analysis on the trauma Palestinians carried after such heinous terrorist event? You didn’t even brush up on it for a little bit credibility. Where’s your heart? Where’s your “journalistic integrity”?
Fam, beware, a fascist system holds the seeds of its demise within. It’s only a matter of time before Palestinians get their land back and tell his story on their own terms. While y’all are stuck with such fanatic Europeans settlers and their propagandists who will continue to kill each other in holy sites.
In a certain sense these Kahanist types are more intellectually consistent then the so called “liberal Zionists.” They are taking the colonialist founding ideology of Israel to its logical conclusion. No doubt they will continue to gain more influence in mainstream Israeli society.
"Ilegal settlement."
You are being brainwashed by al jazeera. I don't support this terrorist of israel but i highly disagree with you about illegal settlement and that israel never care about this case. It's actually jewish land because God give it to jewish according to bible and archaological evidence suggest that jewish are descendants of cannanites due to cultural heritage. Israel called him as a shame for zionism and judaism. He didn't even recognized as jews. Israel labbelled kahanism as terrorist, took settlers arms and only allowed jews to pray.
@@antoniussamuelson3748 😂 “God gave the Jews that land” what a compelling argument! Well international law and the UN says it’s Palestinian land and all the settlements are illegal. And the dual legal system that exists between settlers and occupied Palestinians, along with the restricted movement of Palestinians, is apartheid.
@@idrislamont1064 bruh...UN.😂 What about NATO occupation of libya? UN passed the law that allowed NATO to intervene and kill gadaffi. UN are two face pretending to respect human rights while NATO enjoyed the oil in libya because of UN. UN is BS.
@@antoniussamuelson3748 Actually I totally agree with you on that. NATO is also a criminal organization especially what they did in Libya. Although you are forgetting that Israel supported NATOs actions in Libya and the Invasion of Iraq. Anyway you can read human rights watch report instead it’s not just the UN who condemns Israel.
Dr. BARUCH GOLDSTEIN...never forgotten
He gave his life and death for the race of Hashem...RIP
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Israel's goal has always been a refuge for Jews in a Jewish country of biblical origin, and peaceful relations with Arabs living in and outside of its boarders. If Israel can achieve a lasting peace with the Palestinian Arabs, notwithstanding the past violence and bloodshed, that would be a great achievement. Violence begets violence. Neither side "wins". Perhaps pursuing and achieving peace in spite of the violence is the secret catalyst to rebuilding the temple and perfecting the world. After all, at the root of it, we are all brothers.
Arabs? There are no Arabs in Levant. Here is some copy paste for you:
A frequently recurring theme when discussing the history of Palestine, is the question of “who was there first?”. The implication being, whoever was there first deserves ownership of the land. I have lost count of how many times I have encountered the argument that “The Jewish people have been in Palestine before the Muslims/Arabs,” or a variation thereof. This has always struck me as an interesting example of how people learn just enough history to support their world view, separating it completely from any historical context or the larger picture of the region.
Since this question is so widespread, and since I see it answered in different, and in my opinion, unhelpful ways, I would like to open up the topic for wider discussion.
The argument is simple to follow: Palestinians today are mostly Arabs. The Arabs came to the Levant with the Muslim conquest of the region. Therefore, Arabs and as an extension Palestinians have only been in Palestine and the Levant since the seventh century AD.
There are a couple of glaring problems with this line of thought. First of all, there is a clear conflation of Arabs, Muslims and Palestinians. None of these are interchangeable. Arabs have had a long history in the Levant before the advent of Islam. For example, The Nabataean kingdom ruled over Jordan, southern Palestine and Sinai a whole millennium before Muslims ever set foot in the area. Another example would be the Ghassanid kingdom, which was a Christian Arab kingdom that extended over vast areas of the region. As a matter of fact, many prominent Christian families in Palestine today, such as Maalouf, Haddad and Khoury, can trace their lineage back to the Ghassanid kingdom.
The second problem with this is that there is a misunderstanding of the process that is the Arabization of the Middle East and North Africa. Once again, we must view the Islamization of newly conquered lands and their Arabization as two distinct phenomena. The Islamization process began instantly, albeit slowly. Persia, for example took over 2 centuries to become a majority Muslim province. The Levant, much longer. The Arabization of conquered provinces though, began later than their Islamization. The beginning of this process can be traced back to the Marwanid dynasty of the Ummayad Caliphate. Until that point, each province was ruled mostly with its own language, laws and currency. The process of the Arabization of the state united all these under Arabic speaking officials, and made it law that the language of state and of commerce would become Arabic. Thus, it became advantageous to assimilate into this identity, as many government positions and trade deals were offered only to Muslim Arabs.
So although the vast majority of the population of these lands were not ethnically Arab, they came to identify as such over a millennium. Arab stopped being a purely ethnic identity, and morphed into a mainly cultural and linguistic one. In contrast to European colonialism of the new world, where the native population was mostly eradicated to make place for the invaders, the process in MENA is one of the conquered peoples mixing with and coming to identify as their conquerors without being physically removed, if not as Arabs, then as Muslims.
Following from this, the Palestinian Arabs of today did not suddenly appear from the Arabian Peninsula in the 7th century to settle in Palestine, but are the same indigenous peoples living there who changed how they identified over time. This includes the descendants of every group that has ever called Palestine their home. When regions change rulers, they don’t normally change populations. Throughout history, peoples have often changed how they identified politically. The Sardinians eventually became Italians, Prussians became Germans. It would be laughable to suggest that the Sardinians were kicked out and replaced by a distinct foreign Italian people. We must separate the political nationalist identity of people from their personhood as human beings, as nationalism is a relatively modern concept, especially in the Middle East.
Naturally, no region is a closed container. Trade, immigration, invasion and intermarriage all played a role in creating the current buildup of Palestinian society. There were many additions to the people of the land over the millennia. However, the fact remains that there was never a process where Arab or Muslim conquerors completely replaced the native population living there, only added to them.
The trap
So, what does this all mean for Palestine?
Absolutely nothing.
Although the argument has many ahistorical assumptions and claims, it is not these which form its greatest weakness. The whole argument is a trap. The basic implication of this line of argumentation is as follows:
If the Jewish people were in Palestine before the Arabs, then the land belongs to them. Therefore, the creation of Israel would be justified.
From my experience, whenever this argument is used, the automatic response of Palestinians is to say that their ancestors were there first. These ancestors being the Canaanites. The idea that Palestinians are the descendants of only one particular group in a region with mass migrations and dozens of different empires and peoples is not only ahistorical, but this line of thought indirectly legitimizes the original argument they are fighting against.
This is because it implies that the only reason Israel’s creation is unjustified is because their Palestinian ancestors were there first. It implies that the problem with the argument lies in the details, not that the argument as a whole is absolute nonsense and shouldn’t even be entertained.
The ethnic cleansing, massacres and colonialism needed to establish Israel can never be justified, regardless of who was there first. It’s a moot point. Even if we follow the argument that Palestinians have only been there for 1300 years, does this suddenly legitimize the expulsion of hundreds of thousands? Of course not. There is no possible scenario where it is excusable to ethnically cleanse a people and colonize their lands. Human rights apply to people universally, regardless of whether they have lived in an area for a year or ten thousand years.
If we reject the “we were there first” argument, and not treat it as a legitimizing factor for Israel’s creation, then we can focus on the real history, without any ideological agendas. We could trace how our pasts intersected throughout the centuries. After all, there is indeed Jewish history in Palestine. This history forms a part of the Palestinian past and heritage, just like every other group, kingdom or empire that settled there does. We must stop viewing Palestinian and Jewish histories as competing, mutually exclusive entities, because for most of history they have not been.
These positions can be maintained while simultaneously rejecting Zionism and its colonialism. After all, this ideologically driven impulse to imagine our ancestors as some closed, well defined, unchanging homogenous group having exclusive ownership over lands corresponding to modern day borders has nothing to do with the actual history of the area, and everything to do with modern notions of ethnic nationalism and colonialism.
How will Israel ever be a democratic refuge for Jews in a place where they are outnunbered? They will either have to stop being democratic (by denying Palestinians rights as they do now) or have to stop being Jewish. It's an impossible stance to have
@@muhammadabuzarkhan7450 Your long-winded comment is as grossly incomplete as it is long. HASHEM took this land from the Canaanites and gave it to the Hebrews, later called Jews. Your error here is that you are more "educated" in this trivial history and not familiar enough with the Torah (Or even the Quran, for that matter, where it states that the Land of Israel belongs to the Jews). Wake up, muhammadabuzarkhan7450, even if your brothers are ignorant of this.
@@charleshimes1634 I do not believe that God that claim to be the all merciful decide a group of people lose their land because their ancestor committed sin. In that way Israelites also committed a lot of sin and still do. Take away their land as well.
That's was intifada of the palestinian. They attacked us everyday, we can't don't do something. If the IDF can't do the full power, we need to do. This is the land of abraham, isaac and jakob.
Hashem is the king of kings!🇮🇱🇮🇱🇮🇱
Against praying civilians? I dont think the intifada justifies such a disgusting act.
Im definitely a Zionist but people like Amir and Goldstein are a shame and should not be apologized in any way.
Contextualisation yes but youre defending his Acts.
Lmao Imagine being this deluded.
@@oscarfra5170 Hey fascist. Can you guess who is next?
@@oscarfra5170 A new age is coming, and your views will become the minority. Recent population statistics show there are now less Jews in Israel compared to Arabs. I’m afraid the time is now to fight back. On November 1st elect Netanyahu and Likud. Let’s see Ben gvir become Justice minister.
@@oscarfra5170Don't forget that most of them hate us, and he saved a lot of people, including some Arabs in the IDF