When you see someone who is good at Taiji you don't see this kind of contact? - What you usually don't see is someone being genuinely tested - resisted. If you only practice set patterns then you are never really tested. When there is genuine resistance then things aren't so pretty. I take my hat of to Master Chen Ziqiang - many so called Masters don't allow such a situation to occur. At least these guys are keeping the art in some kind of a martial context. All the best
In truth, when there is "genuine resistance" the principles of Tai Chi are easier to apply not more difficult as there is more to work with and it is much easier to find an opponent's centre. what I see in this video is more akin to Judo. No judgement as Judo is a fine martial art/sport but I don't see in this video any internal principles being used.
To recordmymind, the tall student is pretty good, although he is much bigger in statue and often clings on to Master Chen ZiQiang when he falls. He likse to use his size and weight to dominate. Looks like he was trying to do some choking at some point. It really is not as easy as Chen ZiQiang makes it look -- being able to neutralize and overcome just about every technique that everyone and anyone throws at you, hoping for a chance for a moment of fame on RUclips. Look closely and you will see these situations throughout where Chen turned around every time. I see a true master. To gptaichi, Thanks for sharing. Good stuff.
We call the wrestling hand - jiao shou, which is closer to real fight than pushing hand. I was hurt before in this training but I like this. Thank you for sharing.
At 2:50 and after it is clear THAT right there is what he is capable of doing. The other guy was fully rooted and CZ just popped him around. Unbelievable because the other guy with the long hair is REALLY good. Wow I learned just from watching. Thanks for sharing.
chen zi qiang is an unassuming guy. can often notice his casual style with his neck line very soft almost as if wobbly a little. as if he could not be bothered. my understanding is that he is actually trying to use as little energy as possible against the unrefined and rough round the edges opponents. the truth is, from what i experienced myself he normally holds back a lot when sparring with most western students in order not to embarrass or discourage anyone. that's why we see a lot of these long videos on youtube. otherwise if you look at any serious chinese competitions (easier to look up the chinese characters) you will see that none of his experienced opponents last very long standing upright
For clarification, these are the results of push hands and TaiJi practice. If you don't like or understand what they are doing here, just stay away from it. You should research who Chen Ziqiang is and what they do. It's better to be informed about the history if things before making absurd comments.
Initially in tuishou you need to practice like you learn in most other Taiji schools(Yang,Wu,Hao,Sun),soft/easy and listening/feeling, then you should advance. In Chen Taiji there many routines and levels of progression in pushands. Moving pushands has more freedom of expression. And if you understand Taiji, you can definitely see Master Chen's Taiji principles at play!
Then perhaps the ones you see as "good at tai chi" are not so "good" at it after all. Taijiquan is basically wrestling with Taoist principles. Push hand patterns are preparations for the real application. Furthermore, whatever energies you are referring to, (silk reeling maybe?) they should not be visible in the real application, in order for the opponent not to spot or track your intentions. For this reason taijiquan is also called the "needle hidden inside a cotton ball".
Pushing hands is a practice and, as such, must be applied. This sort of thing is most commonly seen among Chen style practitioners. They are generally more oriented to the martial side of tai chi as a martial art. Yang stylists (of which I am one) more typically practice in terms of the formal patterns and seek to apply by evading and tossing the partner from more or less fixed positions. I rather like the Chen openness to more realistic scenarios myself.
hmmm you must not understand Taiji, or tuishou. This is Chen style (origin of all Taiji styles), not Yang style. And it's chen style FROM a descendent of the originator Chen Wangting. I've learned Yang style from 2 different teachers before I learned Chen style, and most Taiji teachers who don't teach Chen style, will show you the hippy push hand style of "chi projection" blah blah blah. Or they will show you a very soft non-moving version. That is only one, incomplete way to train.
It's all someone's story - who cares where it came from? I care what is most effective. ZiQiang is an effective Taiji player! Would love to meet him and touch hands one day.
@@TheRetroman68 I'm sorry, Tai chi did not come from Wudang. They capitalized on the popularity of Tai chi and created their own "Wudang" style. Taiji is from the village people.
Nobody says this bout is fake. Chen^s opponent has grappling experience and is tough bit he still neutralized him. A lot of egos in New York city need to get shut down. Chen we need you here
@@ISkandarash Truthfully, have you experienced or seen something that assures you it works on a high level fighter like khabib? There is an MMA fighter who tells a story of his experience against an 80 year old Tai chi practitioners.
It looks like wrestling to me. How can students learn tai chi energies when you are locked up in wrestling holds? Students should follow a push hands pattern so that the energies are repeated over and over. That is all I am saying. When I see someone who is good at tai chi I don't see this kind of contact.
Steve Cousins How could you put it to the test and prove to the public that it works in a wrestling situation if tai chi is only what you are saying it is?
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I have meet Master Chen Zhiqiang in Chenjiagou last year...
He is a real master for the simple fact that is not afraid to confront with others.
Great!
When you see someone who is good at Taiji you don't see this kind of contact? - What you usually don't see is someone being genuinely tested - resisted. If you only practice set patterns then you are never really tested. When there is genuine resistance then things aren't so pretty. I take my hat of to Master Chen Ziqiang - many so called Masters don't allow such a situation to occur. At least these guys are keeping the art in some kind of a martial context. All the best
In truth, when there is "genuine resistance" the principles of Tai Chi are easier to apply not more difficult as there is more to work with and it is much easier to find an opponent's centre. what I see in this video is more akin to Judo. No judgement as Judo is a fine martial art/sport but I don't see in this video any internal principles being used.
There is nothing 'martial' in this kind of exchange. It resembles amateur wrestling match...a friendly rules based exchange...nothing more.
To recordmymind, the tall student is pretty good, although he is much bigger in statue and often clings on to Master Chen ZiQiang when he falls. He likse to use his size and weight to dominate. Looks like he was trying to do some choking at some point. It really is not as easy as Chen ZiQiang makes it look -- being able to neutralize and overcome just about every technique that everyone and anyone throws at you, hoping for a chance for a moment of fame on RUclips. Look closely and you will see these situations throughout where Chen turned around every time. I see a true master.
To gptaichi, Thanks for sharing. Good stuff.
We call the wrestling hand - jiao shou, which is closer to real fight than pushing hand. I was hurt before in this training but I like this. Thank you for sharing.
Very solid foundation for the pony-tailed white guy.
At 2:50 and after it is clear THAT right there is what he is capable of doing. The other guy was fully rooted and CZ just popped him around. Unbelievable because the other guy with the long hair is REALLY good. Wow I learned just from watching. Thanks for sharing.
chen zi qiang is an unassuming guy. can often notice his casual style with his neck line very soft almost as if wobbly a little. as if he could not be bothered. my understanding is that he is actually trying to use as little energy as possible against the unrefined and rough round the edges opponents. the truth is, from what i experienced myself he normally holds back a lot when sparring with most western students in order not to embarrass or discourage anyone. that's why we see a lot of these long videos on youtube. otherwise if you look at any serious chinese competitions (easier to look up the chinese characters) you will see that none of his experienced opponents last very long standing upright
For clarification, these are the results of push hands and TaiJi practice. If you don't like or understand what they are doing here, just stay away from it. You should research who Chen Ziqiang is and what they do. It's better to be informed about the history if things before making absurd comments.
Initially in tuishou you need to practice like you learn in most other Taiji schools(Yang,Wu,Hao,Sun),soft/easy and listening/feeling, then you should advance. In Chen Taiji there many routines and levels of progression in pushands. Moving pushands has more freedom of expression. And if you understand Taiji, you can definitely see Master Chen's Taiji principles at play!
@thomaskacken Why don't you go challenge him then? If it's that easy for you beat the Chen lineage holder, why don't you do it?
Then perhaps the ones you see as "good at tai chi" are not so "good" at it after all. Taijiquan is basically wrestling with Taoist principles. Push hand patterns are preparations for the real application. Furthermore, whatever energies you are referring to, (silk reeling maybe?) they should not be visible in the real application, in order for the opponent not to spot or track your intentions. For this reason taijiquan is also called the "needle hidden inside a cotton ball".
Pushing hands is a practice and, as such, must be applied. This sort of thing is most commonly seen among Chen style practitioners. They are generally more oriented to the martial side of tai chi as a martial art. Yang stylists (of which I am one) more typically practice in terms of the formal patterns and seek to apply by evading and tossing the partner from more or less fixed positions. I rather like the Chen openness to more realistic scenarios myself.
hmmm you must not understand Taiji, or tuishou. This is Chen style (origin of all Taiji styles), not Yang style. And it's chen style FROM a descendent of the originator Chen Wangting. I've learned Yang style from 2 different teachers before I learned Chen style, and most Taiji teachers who don't teach Chen style, will show you the hippy push hand style of "chi projection" blah blah blah. Or they will show you a very soft non-moving version. That is only one, incomplete way to train.
jdub7771 the origin of Taijiquan is Mount Wudang not Chen village :)
It's all someone's story - who cares where it came from? I care what is most effective. ZiQiang is an effective Taiji player! Would love to meet him and touch hands one day.
@@TheRetroman68 I'm sorry, Tai chi did not come from Wudang. They capitalized on the popularity of Tai chi and created their own "Wudang" style. Taiji is from the village people.
I want to know when he's coming back so I can attend his seminar?
redhead practitioner is good... but at 2:47, kinda excessive strike to Chen Ziqiang's jaw/neck...
oh, I c, these are Master Ren Guangyi's students, no wonder they can play around with Master Ziqiang.
Guy with pony tail is very good.
Oh damn, this breaks all the rules of the 36 sickness of push hands T_T
Chen Xin who wrote 36 push hand sicknesses also belong to Chen family ;)
He looks a very good push hands player
Nobody says this bout is fake. Chen^s opponent has grappling experience and is tough bit he still neutralized him. A lot of egos in New York city need to get shut down. Chen we need you here
Will this work on Khabib???
How many muggers or average bullies are as good as khabib? It's a martial arts school for self defense not prize fighting.
By your Logic MMA sucks because 29 MMA pro fighters lost to Khabib xD
It works on khabib fan boys'
@@ISkandarash Truthfully, have you experienced or seen something that assures you it works on a high level fighter like khabib? There is an MMA fighter who tells a story of his experience against an 80 year old Tai chi practitioners.
@steve cousins, what u know from other taiji styles isn't close to realistic fighting.
This is wrestling, not push hand.
Which one is the master?
Ark Shen Obviously the one that did all the throws. Chen Ziqiang.
Push hand😂😂😂
Wy attack the master u never learn
It looks like wrestling to me. How can students learn tai chi energies when you are locked up in wrestling holds? Students should follow a push hands pattern so that the energies are repeated over and over. That is all I am saying. When I see someone who is good at tai chi I don't see this kind of contact.
Steve Cousins How could you put it to the test and prove to the public that it works in a wrestling situation if tai chi is only what you are saying it is?
Tai chi evolved from wrestling in one form or another.
muy realista pero no me gusta
Awkward that the red head guy can move him that easy, but what do i know...
Ark Shen should be awkward that the redheaded guy is the one getting thrown to the floor. But what do you know?
NOT GOOD TAI CHI. Pretty good big time wrestling though.
Tell us how you would "pressure test" Tai chi for a realistic situation.
@@CharlesBetancourt-iq9oe Tai Chi is better for health than fighting. Boxing would be better and a pistol would work even better.