It took me about 3 years to get my and my son’s Dual Citizenship. I used a lawyer in Italy. He took it to the court of Rome because of the backlog of appointments at the Italian embassy. I had to take screenshots of the website saying there were no appointments available for a couple of weeks. What they didn’t tell me at the start of the process was that after the Judge orders that you are citizens, it will take up to another year for all the administrative processes to get to a point where you can accualy get an Italian passport.
I have Italian heritage and am 100% for encouraging dual-citizenship. Unfortunately, I got all my documents in order but discovered that my father renounced his Italian citizenship when he immigrated to the states. I still do everything I can to encourage our culture and spread our heritage 💕🇮🇹. Your video explains all the situations well- grazie!
I’m sorry to hear about the disappointing results. Did your mother come from Italy ? Is there any avenue via the females in the Italian line? And, by the way, the Italian government did not allow dual citizenship for most of the past, so if he naturalized in a different nation than Italy before 1992(?), he had no choice in the matter. So “renounced” was probably more like “renounced by default.”
@@italianspoken I share your thoughts and feelings especially with maintaining and promoting our Italian culture and customs. I can’t understand how the Italian government can justify that we are not of “Italian blood” when their laws clearly outline such a valid descent. I’m assuming that as minors we should have told our parents that we refused to give up our Italian citizenship when we had the chance. Getting lawyers etc. only feeds the Italian bureaucracy and reinforces the absurdity of the Italian government’s position.
It's too bad that he renounced before you were born but I understand that since you can still prove an Italian connection, you might be able to live in Italy and get citizenship with a much reduced waiting time (maybe a few years?) as opposed to people having to live there for 10 years. It might be worth asking an Italian lawyer if you have the means to pursue that route.
My wife and 10 year-old son have just become officially recognized as Italian citizens through a judiciary process in Italy. We've chose to follow this way because the Italian consulates in our country, Brazil, are too crowded and we spent several years trying to get an appointment in one of them. We don't regret it. We should have pursued this way earlier. Our lawyer was Maria Stella La Malfa. I recommend her. Encontrei seu canal recentemente e gostei muito!
My wife had great success in getting help from a service in Italy to get the documents she needed. The hard part is waiting for the consulate appointment. We have 4 more years to wait as first available we like 5 years out.
Remember that even if people get italian citizenship, italian-americans/canadians/australians/etc. will still be recognized as american by most italians unless you speak italian like a native.
😂😂 “Hey, I’m here! Make me Italian!” 😂😂 Hadn’t thought of that one. 👍🏻 Honestly, even though my case was ‘easy’ I found the NY consulate to be very difficult and slow (to say the least) so I obtained many documents in Italy. Was fortunate that my Comune had many services electronically plus friends and family that could assist after I returned to the US. Conclusion: Strongly consider obtaining docs through your Comune!!
I've started collecting documents. I have at least one I have to amend. It is a lot of work. Question: My daughter is over 18. You mention that it is more difficult for her. Does this mean she has to go through the same process I did? Won't there be any benefit in going to the consulate together, or if she applies after her father gets citizenship?
I believe if you use the same consulate, you might not need another set of documents and she can "piggy back" on your file if she is still living with you. Of course ask the consulate you are using to be sure but the Detroit consulate allowed it.
Hello this is such a great channel! thank you.] So my great grandparents were born in Sicily Italy. They both came over to Eli's Island in 1898 or 1899. She was 12 years old he was 22 years old. They met and married here in the states ,United States. Is that too far back for me to be able to get my citizenship in Italy?
I gave up, there is such a backlog at the consulate in NY. I have been waiting for over three years, made the mistake of not doing it when my father asked me to.
There’s always the option to apply directly in Italy 😅 I’ve heard of some people who are unable to get appointments are now going through the courts for citizenship
@@alfredorainuzzo555 going through the court wouldn’t require residency as far as I’m aware. However getting residency there definitely would take a bit of time to reside in the nation. But a very different process.
That's what happened with me.. my Grand Father naturalized before my Father was born so Im out of luck, my Grand Mother never became a US Citizen but they only went through the male side when I applied....
I think a lawyer could help in this case...many law firms offer free phone consultations to review your eligibility. also if your father was born after 1948, then you can apply at the consulate through your grandma anyway
@@DJPTEXAS - But how long ago did you make the attempt? Because it’s only been more recently that people like you & I have been able to become Italian citizens through the female side of things. That’s the “1948 case” reference, spoken of at around timepoint 16:20 (for ancestors born BEFORE 1948). But it’s NOT through the regular descent citizenship application/consulate process. It’s through having an Italian lawyer take a case to their court - sometimes small, local courts, even. It’s basically a challenge to the old laws on behalf of individuals, citing the discrimination against females (that they weren’t treated equally by not being able to pass on their citizenship, unlike males). So it’s a legal challenge, dealt with in the courts. It’s a 2nd way. I only realized this recently. All these years I was so disappointed that my candidacy for Italian citizenship seemed to stop because my grandfather didn’t start his family until he got citizenship in the U.S.. I’m really excited about this. Get more info on the 1948 cases from other videos on Italian citizenship through Descent!
Thank you for clarifying. My grandmother was the 6th child, my great grandfather became a US citizen right before she was born. My great grandmother didn't become a citizen until my grandmother was 10 years old, but my grandmother was born before 1948....1926 to be precise. So to have any chance, I need to hire a lawyer? Thanks, again.
Mine was a 1948 case. It's possible that you can gather all of the necessary documentation without a lawyer, but when it comes to filing the court case you will need to be represented by a lawyer. In my opinion, it's probably better to hire a lawyer to help through the entire process from start to finish.
Can you make a video regarding the recent law change in Italy regarding júris sanguinus? Apparently now if anyone in the chain was a minor at the time the “root relative” got naturalized, it voids the right to citizenship. I was recently granted citizenship but this law change would have destroyed my case. Thanks!
I'm going through the process of collecting the necessary paperwork. I have been trying for over a month to get an appointment with the PA Consulate but there are never any openings so that definitely sets the tone for how hard this will be. If I need to go the lawyer route or even just to get an Italian lawyer to look over my completed application before submitting it, I would love to get an idea on how much approximately it might cost me so I can start budgeting now. Can anyone who has used an Italian lawyer give me an idea of what total costs might be for the whole process? I plan to collect all the paperwork, apostilles, and translations myself. I’ve seen some things such as $8-$10k which I hope is not true.
As an Italo-Australian, whose parents are still Italian citizens, but permanent residents here in Australia (they’ve been here since 1970), I was lucky enough to get automatic Italian citizenship because my parents had the nous to register my birth at the local council where they come from. When I turned 18, all I had to do was make an appointment to go the Italian consulate in my city, bring along my birth certificate, and within a couple of hours, I got my citizenship papers and Italian/EU passport. I must admit, my situation was much easier than some of the horror stories I’ve heard from others.
It's a shame. We are giving free citizenship to people whose great-grand fathers were by chance Italian in the 19th century. I've met so many people especially from Latin America with Italian citizenship, they have never been to Italy, they don't speak Italian and they don't bother to learn, in general they have a very stereotypical view of Italy as any other foreigner. They use the passport to travel and if they move to Europe they go to work to countries speaking their same language (Spain or Portugal) or to Northern Europe. Meanwhile, we have immigrants who came here as children, did all the schools and university in Italy, speak and act as perfect Italians, and they have tremendous difficulties in becoming citizens.
@@marcoac-sx6lq I can understand this dilemma. I am hoping to experience..enjoy.. and write about Italy. My ancestry is one generation from the grandparents. I hope to be a productive part of Italy's economy. Nothing for nothing. People don't respect what they don't pay for.
Honestly don't understand why you guys think Italy should make it easier for foreigners to obtain citizenship when they consider descendancy to be valid from three generations back. Pretty obvious they require proof. Not sure that other European countries are so generous except for the Republic of Ireland!
Why is it so difficult not to mention absurd, that those of us who were born in Italy and naturalized as minors in Canada, for example, not able to reacquire their Italian citizenship? The requirements for getting it back even as a dual citizenship, always ends with having to live in Italy for a year. Frustrating and perhaps discriminating.
Just a correction: there's no an Italian citizen by descent, we all are Italians the same as those who were born in Italy, we are Italians, not descendants, because our parents are Italians, that's it, we born in american continent have some difficulties to understand because like here in brazil we get nationality because the place we born, europe is the old continent, things are different
@@nicolettastrada5976 Sì fratello, parlo italiano, inglese e portoghese, parlo anche il dialetto veneto, la lingua madre dei miei nonni, figli di italiani emigrati dal Veneto, sono italiano, mi sento italiano, anche se voi in Italia non ci riconoscete come tali, solo noi conosciamo la storia della nostra famiglia, di tutte le difficoltà che hanno attraversato, l'Italia li ha abbandonati, espulsi, ha avuto fame
It took me about 3 years to get my and my son’s Dual Citizenship. I used a lawyer in Italy. He took it to the court of Rome because of the backlog of appointments at the Italian embassy. I had to take screenshots of the website saying there were no appointments available for a couple of weeks. What they didn’t tell me at the start of the process was that after the Judge orders that you are citizens, it will take up to another year for all the administrative processes to get to a point where you can accualy get an Italian passport.
Did you use Smart Move Italy?
We are in the process of doing the same thing.
How much did that process cost?
I have Italian heritage and am 100% for encouraging dual-citizenship. Unfortunately, I got all my documents in order but discovered that my father renounced his Italian citizenship when he immigrated to the states. I still do everything I can to encourage our culture and spread our heritage 💕🇮🇹. Your video explains all the situations well- grazie!
I’m sorry to hear about the disappointing results.
Did your mother come from Italy ? Is there any avenue via the females in the Italian line?
And, by the way, the Italian government did not allow dual citizenship for most of the past, so if he naturalized in a different nation than Italy before 1992(?), he had no choice in the matter. So “renounced” was probably more like “renounced by default.”
@@italianspoken I share your thoughts and feelings especially with maintaining and promoting our Italian culture and customs. I can’t understand how the Italian government can justify that we are not of “Italian blood” when their laws clearly outline such a valid descent. I’m assuming that as minors we should have told our parents that we refused to give up our Italian citizenship when we had the chance. Getting lawyers etc. only feeds the Italian bureaucracy and reinforces the absurdity of the Italian government’s position.
It's too bad that he renounced before you were born but I understand that since you can still prove an Italian connection, you might be able to live in Italy and get citizenship with a much reduced waiting time (maybe a few years?) as opposed to people having to live there for 10 years. It might be worth asking an Italian lawyer if you have the means to pursue that route.
My wife and 10 year-old son have just become officially recognized as Italian citizens through a judiciary process in Italy. We've chose to follow this way because the Italian consulates in our country, Brazil, are too crowded and we spent several years trying to get an appointment in one of them. We don't regret it. We should have pursued this way earlier. Our lawyer was Maria Stella La Malfa. I recommend her. Encontrei seu canal recentemente e gostei muito!
Marco Permunian is representing me and my family. It's a long process (made longer by the pandemic). Pazienza!
My wife had great success in getting help from a service in Italy to get the documents she needed. The hard part is waiting for the consulate appointment. We have 4 more years to wait as first available we like 5 years out.
Thanks so much for this update!
I did it DYI and it helped a lot that I spoke and wrote Italian decently.
Remember that even if people get italian citizenship, italian-americans/canadians/australians/etc. will still be recognized as american by most italians unless you speak italian like a native.
😂😂 “Hey, I’m here! Make me Italian!” 😂😂 Hadn’t thought of that one. 👍🏻
Honestly, even though my case was ‘easy’ I found the NY consulate to be very difficult and slow (to say the least) so I obtained many documents in Italy. Was fortunate that my Comune had many services electronically plus friends and family that could assist after I returned to the US.
Conclusion: Strongly consider obtaining docs through your Comune!!
LA Consulate was the same...
There’s sooo many New Yorkers who have Italian heritage so the consulate is definitely swamped. Glad you were able to make it through the process 😁
Thank you for posting your tip !
I'm going through it now. I hired an Italian attorney. Waiting for one more piece of paper from US. I'm over their with wings on my feet.
That’s so exciting! It’s definitely a process…
Congratulations ❗️ 🎉🎊
I hope to be behind you anywhere from 6 months to 2 years.
How much the attorney fee?
I've started collecting documents. I have at least one I have to amend. It is a lot of work. Question: My daughter is over 18. You mention that it is more difficult for her. Does this mean she has to go through the same process I did? Won't there be any benefit in going to the consulate together, or if she applies after her father gets citizenship?
I believe if you use the same consulate, you might not need another set of documents and she can "piggy back" on your file if she is still living with you. Of course ask the consulate you are using to be sure but the Detroit consulate allowed it.
Hello this is such a great channel! thank you.]
So my great grandparents were born in Sicily Italy. They both came over to Eli's Island in 1898 or 1899. She was 12 years old he was 22 years old. They met and married here in the states ,United States. Is that too far back for me to be able to get my citizenship in Italy?
No
That prenotami website is such a pain. Still waiting to “win the online lottery “ for the consulate appointment
Sane here. It's been over a yr and I can't get through to book an appointment. SO Frustrating!!
I gave up, there is such a backlog at the consulate in NY. I have been waiting for over three years, made the mistake of not doing it when my father asked me to.
There’s always the option to apply directly in Italy 😅
I’ve heard of some people who are unable to get appointments are now going through the courts for citizenship
@@RafaelDiFuria so did I , but there are complications there too, taking about a year now, and that's too long for a vacation!!
@@alfredorainuzzo555 going through the court wouldn’t require residency as far as I’m aware.
However getting residency there definitely would take a bit of time to reside in the nation. But a very different process.
Great video, but one question. Was it legal advice?
That's what happened with me.. my Grand Father naturalized before my Father was born so Im out of luck, my Grand Mother never became a US Citizen but they only went through the male side when I applied....
I think a lawyer could help in this case...many law firms offer free phone consultations to review your eligibility. also if your father was born after 1948, then you can apply at the consulate through your grandma anyway
@@gregoryhunt9898 I had a Lawyer and there is no getting around it and my Father was born before 1948....
@@DJPTEXAS - But how long ago did you make the attempt? Because it’s only been more recently that people like you & I have been able to become Italian citizens through the female side of things. That’s the “1948 case” reference, spoken of at around timepoint 16:20 (for ancestors born BEFORE 1948).
But it’s NOT through the regular descent citizenship application/consulate process.
It’s through having an Italian lawyer take a case to their court - sometimes small, local courts, even.
It’s basically a challenge to the old laws on behalf of individuals, citing the discrimination against females (that they weren’t treated equally by not being able to pass on their citizenship, unlike males).
So it’s a legal challenge, dealt with in the courts.
It’s a 2nd way.
I only realized this recently. All these years I was so disappointed that my candidacy for Italian citizenship seemed to stop because my grandfather didn’t start his family until he got citizenship in the U.S..
I’m really excited about this. Get more info on the 1948 cases from other videos on Italian citizenship through Descent!
@@sfstucco 2019-2020, I had an Italian Lawyer that also worked for the Consulate at the time.....
If your gma never became a US citizen, you can apply through her in a 1948 case.
I'm dealing with OATS cases right now. Every name on each certificate must match or you have to get an OATS judgment.
Thank you for clarifying. My grandmother was the 6th child, my great grandfather became a US citizen right before she was born. My great grandmother didn't become a citizen until my grandmother was 10 years old, but my grandmother was born before 1948....1926 to be precise. So to have any chance, I need to hire a lawyer? Thanks, again.
I am in a similar situation-- and as far as I know, yes a lawyer would be required. That's what my lawyers have said haha
@gregoryhunt9898 thank you, I was going to contact some and get some opinions and prices.
Does thatt mean a Italian husband. .... I can't even find a Italian
Mine was a 1948 case. It's possible that you can gather all of the necessary documentation without a lawyer, but when it comes to filing the court case you will need to be represented by a lawyer. In my opinion, it's probably better to hire a lawyer to help through the entire process from start to finish.
Can you make a video regarding the recent law change in Italy regarding júris sanguinus? Apparently now if anyone in the chain was a minor at the time the “root relative” got naturalized, it voids the right to citizenship. I was recently granted citizenship but this law change would have destroyed my case. Thanks!
If you’re a “1948 case” what are the chances of ultimately getting citizenship? I don’t want to go through all the work and be disappointed.
I’ve told to countless people that have grandparents born in Italy that they can apply for the Italian citizenship but they just don’t care
😱😱😱😱
I'm going through the process of collecting the necessary paperwork. I have been trying for over a month to get an appointment with the PA Consulate but there are never any openings so that definitely sets the tone for how hard this will be. If I need to go the lawyer route or even just to get an Italian lawyer to look over my completed application before submitting it, I would love to get an idea on how much approximately it might cost me so I can start budgeting now. Can anyone who has used an Italian lawyer give me an idea of what total costs might be for the whole process? I plan to collect all the paperwork, apostilles, and translations myself. I’ve seen some things such as $8-$10k which I hope is not true.
You are in the ballpark with those numbers if they help you from start to finish. Mine was a 1948 case and was around US$10k.
What if your relatives are from Sicily? I believe Sicily merged with Italy about 1861.
As an Italo-Australian, whose parents are still Italian citizens, but permanent residents here in Australia (they’ve been here since 1970), I was lucky enough to get automatic Italian citizenship because my parents had the nous to register my birth at the local council where they come from.
When I turned 18, all I had to do was make an appointment to go the Italian consulate in my city, bring along my birth certificate, and within a couple of hours, I got my citizenship papers and Italian/EU passport. I must admit, my situation was much easier than some of the horror stories I’ve heard from others.
What about war orphans? Or kidnaped ones?
It's a shame. We are giving free citizenship to people whose great-grand fathers were by chance Italian in the 19th century. I've met so many people especially from Latin America with Italian citizenship, they have never been to Italy, they don't speak Italian and they don't bother to learn, in general they have a very stereotypical view of Italy as any other foreigner. They use the passport to travel and if they move to Europe they go to work to countries speaking their same language (Spain or Portugal) or to Northern Europe. Meanwhile, we have immigrants who came here as children, did all the schools and university in Italy, speak and act as perfect Italians, and they have tremendous difficulties in becoming citizens.
@@marcoac-sx6lq I can understand this dilemma. I am hoping to experience..enjoy.. and write about Italy. My ancestry is one generation from the grandparents. I hope to be a productive part of Italy's economy. Nothing for nothing. People don't respect what they don't pay for.
Yes I agree. And how about those of us who were actually born in Italy and emigrated as minors? Why can’t we reacquire our Italian citizenship?
Stop complaining about other people and mind your own business. You have no idea what other people will use their new Italian citizenship for.
I want to marry and settle in Italy can you help me
It's a lot easier when your father was still an Italian national at the time of your birth... (But even then it's a pain in the a**.)
They sure don't make it easy, even getting my resident Visa was an incredible pain....
Honestly don't understand why you guys think Italy should make it easier for foreigners to obtain citizenship when they consider descendancy to be valid from three generations back. Pretty obvious they require proof. Not sure that other European countries are so generous except for the Republic of Ireland!
Why is it so difficult not to mention absurd, that those of us who were born in Italy and naturalized as minors in Canada, for example, not able to reacquire their Italian citizenship? The requirements for getting it back even as a dual citizenship, always ends with having to live in Italy for a year. Frustrating and perhaps discriminating.
Just a correction: there's no an Italian citizen by descent, we all are Italians the same as those who were born in Italy, we are Italians, not descendants, because our parents are Italians, that's it, we born in american continent have some difficulties to understand because like here in brazil we get nationality because the place we born, europe is the old continent, things are different
Ok for our law it is like you say but you know Italian I hope
@@nicolettastrada5976 Sì fratello, parlo italiano, inglese e portoghese, parlo anche il dialetto veneto, la lingua madre dei miei nonni, figli di italiani emigrati dal Veneto, sono italiano, mi sento italiano, anche se voi in Italia non ci riconoscete come tali, solo noi conosciamo la storia della nostra famiglia, di tutte le difficoltà che hanno attraversato, l'Italia li ha abbandonati, espulsi, ha avuto fame
Sono sorella, fratello 😊
If you are young man under 30 wait, Italian politicians are talking about introducing mandatory miltary service.
😂😂😂😂😂😂 sure
Just to scare them away
You all better rush before the language test will be replaced by that in Arabic 😂
Che battutona
Old world bureaucracy! 🤮
I’m dealing with Hungary right now! 🤮