The Foundation Of The IWC "Big Pilot" & Flieger Watches
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- Опубликовано: 10 апр 2019
- A brief discussion surrounding the origins of the Flieger and its Design Development over the years, looking at brands like Laco and Stowa. The talk then focuses around IWC and how the brand has developed the Pilot Watch for the Modern Era.
Very happy to see you make this video about Flieger’s. You described very well the history and design past and present. Being an owner of mani iwc’s, I give a big thumbs up! Cheers, and please keep up the great work! (Suggestion for next video: panerai!)
Thank you, Joel! If my video has managed to pass by an IWC owner, then I feel like it has been a success! And World War two Panerai's are a must! The subject has already been added to the list ;) Again, thanks so much for the appreciation, man. All of this support really means a lot.
Love your take on watch design. I have never heard such a complete and unique design analysis of Fleigers before. Thanks
I think the best way we can conceptualize the WWII Flieger is that it’s a cockpit instrument the pilot wears. An absolutely superb video, IDGuy. Since we are on the topic of Second World War timepieces, would you consider discussing the history of Panerai watches and their legacy into the modern era?
The ingenuity that went into such basic things was astounding during the time. Oh, and World War Two Panerai's are definitely on the cards! I'm going to be busy with these requests until the middle of the year at this rate (the topic of Panerai was in the back of my mind as this one was coming to an end) Thank you for the comment and appreciation, man! It really means a lot.
Great review . I’ve recently acquired an IWC Pilot Mark XVII and love it 👌 Looking to add a 5002 or 5004 next year love the history. My dad of 98 was a front gunner and navigator in Wellingtons in WWII so the watch has even more sentimental elements for me . Keep the great reviews coming
With so many reincarnations and variations in modern days, Flieger Uhr proved to a real timeless timepiece !
Well done video ! Thank you for reminding us of yet another legend in horology !
And thank you for the support / appreciation, man! It feels so great when a narrative resonates with all of us!
I feel as if I am earning a MSc in Watch Design and History by viewing these videos. Keep up the great work, IDGuy. Cheers
Hahaha! David, if that is the case, then I have exceeded my expectations ;) It really means a lot having support like this (and it propels me to work longer and harder on this page) Thank you for always bringing forward great comments (I plan on getting to all of them in time)
Such a well made and informative vid! While I don't agree 100% with you on certain aesthetic points/choices, I am totally on board with your analysis on the flieger's design and functionality. Excellent work!
Thank you so much! We all have our opinions and discussions about them make a world of difference. It really means a lot that you appreciate / support what I'm doing. Thank you again!
GREAT Video.. thank you
i also love the 5002. and so happy to have one in my collection. it's my most favorite Flieger.
Excellent! Thanks so much for making this!
You're welcome man! Thank you for suggesting it! Some topics are so engrossing and this one definitely was a pleasure to make.
Another fantastic video. Keep them coming!
Thanks so much, man! I don'y plan on stopping them any time soon ;) The next video is going to be such a tough one...I'm still reeling thinking about which of the three watches I'd choose from the lineup.
IDGuy Looking forward to it 👍🏽
Beautiful episode and content 👌🏼
JMB
I just discovered your channel a few weeks ago and have been really enjoying your unique designer perspective - very cool, keep up the good work! Back to the subject of Fliegers, years ago I saw a Hamilton Khaki and bought it immediately because of its black-face and clear numerals. But IWC is in a whole different league, as I realized when I saw my work colleague's Big Pilot le Petit Prince - that blue dial is gorgeous. The 5002 is a very nice choice as well. Would love to see a review of the Glashutte Original PanoMatic Lunar if you have the time and interest!
Andrew, thank you for your comment! I'd love to talk all about Glashutte and A Lange & Sohne in future. There are so many things to mention with German watch design. I've added your request to the list (and might do a quick-fire video on the watch if push comes to shove, otherwise a fully video) Thanks again for the comment and support, man. It really means a lot!
Very informative and interesting video ID Guy!
Thank you, brother! All of this support is just pushing me to do more...it's unreal how this page has skyrocketed over the last month. Now I need to hire a team with writing and editing...
Excellent video. Thanks for posting it. Subscribed
It is such a pleasure and thank you for taking the time to watch it. All of this support really means a lot.
A part 2 for this video would be awesome since the new releases from IWC.
This is a great channel
Thx for the great work
Great video thank you. I really like my Stowa Flieger Chrono though
Brilliant video mate
Craig, thank you! It's so amazing having your work appreciated and all of this support just pushes me to do more. Thank you again for al of your comments, brother
IWC is my favorite brand. It plays to its own music
I just wanted to pop into comment and say that these videos are extremely well done I don't think you can find better watch history videos right now on RUclips
Jim, that means so much, man. You're the second person to mention this in the comment section and it really is incredible to think that people like yourself appreciate it. It just pushes me to do more and to bring out more. I wish I could clone myself twice and triple the content ;) Again, thank you for the amazing comment, brother
Outstanding
Thank you so much, Keith! I hope to bring out much more in the future! Really appreciate the comment, man
Hey! Would love to see your take, thoughts and opinions about Deck marine watches! Grew alongside fliegars!
Thanks again
That was a very interesting video. I am sure a lot of research went into it. I love the history behind watches. I am not sure if IWC made watches during WWII, it was a long war and airplanes advanced a lot in technology. From the single propeller to large bombers. There are a number of watch companies making the homages to the Flieger watches. I did not know about the large crown, the reason behind it, I knew they wore the watches over the clothing and large numbers to see easily so they could concentrate on flying and attacking. My Grandfather was in WWII, I am sad I did not really know him. I was only 6 years old when he passed. I have wondered what kind of watches he had. He was born in 1907.
Would you believe that my grandfather was born in 1910 and died in his 90's (and I'm in my mid twenties). I just can't imagine the world they must have seen. Thank you for the excellent comments as always, Scott. I have to get around to replying to everything on the other video's over the next few days hahaha!
I have the 5002, but with the 5004 movement called the Transitional”. I got the best of both worlds with the original dial and the 51110 movement. There’s only 100 + Big Pilot Transitional watches made and I found mine in Spain. It’s advertised as a 5004 due to the movement, but the face is that of a 5002. I will own this watch for my life time.
Great vid, man! Also wanna find out more about the dirty dozen.
Thank you brother! Look up the history of them! It is fascinating and you can still find them on the market today!
What do you think of the Oris Propilot Date? it looks like a modern Flieger.
Hi! I would love to hear about your impressions regarding the Vostok Amphibia, I think its a very interesting piece design wise.
Absolutely Timmy! I'll be looking into all brands at all price ranges in the future, right now I'm trying to find a balance between all the names and will eventually touch on Vostok (because they have a hell of a history) Thanks for the comment, man!
Great video!
Thank you so much! The support really makes it all worthwhile!
@@ID-Guy i appreciate that you discuss the rationale of the design elements and not the typical ooohhhss and aaaahhs from other youtubers. 👍 Keep the videos coming!
Btw, why do you think there is a trend of watches getting smaller again? I used to wear a Stunt Modele depose 8500 but I find it too small. I personally think that 40-42mm is the sweet spot for men's watches.
How about a video about openworked watches. Would be interesting what your opinion is regarding those.
Absolutely man! I don't think I have reached that echelon of piece unique watches just yet, but I am dying to investigate the big names that nobody can pronounce and talk about all the intricacies. Thank you for the suggestion, brother. All of it is going to happen in good time!
ID Guy, one aspect of IWC's Pilot line in particular that has always gone unanswered for me, is why are only the 12, 3, 6 and 9 indices applied with Lume in addition to the minute and hour hands as opposed to all the indices and numerals? Is there some historic reference I'm missing or is this purely IWC attempting to be unique for a modern era of fashion?
Otherwise, I loved your video, this was highly informative. I own the Latest Le Petit Prince Big Pilot that recently incorporated a double barrel Pellaton winding system (as opposed to the single barrel in previous models), which I hope will provide a better distribution of power without compromising accuracy over time as it dissipates.
Good man
Nice! I have not seen this video yet, but I am sure it’s nice! ;-)
Thank you, Carlos! I'll have your Patek 5196 video up by the end of the weekend (I'm hoping) if not, then early next week ;)
IDGuy thank you some much!
The design of Jaeger le Coultre reverso or the design of the aquanaut
Oh, man. Do not worry, both are going to have their own lengthy videos in the future ;) Thanks for the suggestions, brother!
What would you add to this video if you had the Big Pilot 43 in your hands ?
An IWC Big pilot black dial, with a black buffalo leather strap, is my grail watch. Unfortunately, with a 10k price tag, it's out of my reach. lol
I feel you, man...but, nothing is out of our reach if we really, really want it. Give yourself another 5 - 10 years, put fifty dollars / pounds / euros aside every month and the game will change radically ;)
BP is the only watch I regret having let go... so I am buying a new one... the 5010-01 with the new double barrel movement... =p
Loving the Hamilton Pilot Day Date H64615135 modern interpretation of the flieger, just might be my next watch.
I have to look into it! Hamilton is definitely on my list for notable pieces in future discussions! Thanks for the comment, man.
I have one of those and it really has a big pilot vibe because I put it on a black riveted croc strap
@@jacksonk75k95 I'd keep mine on SS instead of going with a more traditional look, but either way it's a stunning design IMO. They're going for at least $150 over MSRP so maybe black Friday or some other time but the heart wants what the heart wants, it will be mine.
I want to get a flieger but can’t afford IWC so may go with a Laco.
Absolutely! Personally, I'd take Laco over the other groups (and then scale up to IWC if I got the chance) Laco really tries to mimic the watches they made in the past and I reckon they do a better job than their competition.
IDGuy That’s good to hear, man.
Watching this in my IWC mark. That’s a “big pilot” for those of us with smaller wrists..
Only serious channel about watches on RUclips. Period.
What an amazing comment, Goran. Thank you, from the bottom of my heart. I am really trying to break the mould in a different way and the feedback and support has been phenomenal . It just pushes me to do more and more (perhaps even dedicate all of my hours into creating a page that is an archive for everything watch design / design journalism related) This has to be one of the best comment's I've read from someone on this page before, so again, thank you so much, man.
I love an onion crown. I love my little seiko snk 809. Isn’t there a flight out there with a full lume dial? I might be dreaming that.
They really are superb and yes! I think there are variants of pilot watches with fully lumed dials and dark indices. Wasn't there as special edition IWC made for Korea with a white dial? I'm sure other brands do them as well. As always, thanks for the comment, man!
Lets talk about design. Angelus triple date black and grey dail, heuer monaco, ressence, jlc alarm deepsea, fp journe octa lune, chronometre blue, longines tre rachi 13zn, Mb&f watches, or urwerk..
These watches should have been handwound - like the originals. That would have made the power reserve make a lot more sense.
Only the 46 for me please😁😁
Did you just say that the 5002 at 46mm isn't oversized?!?
"all the original DNA is there" couldn't have said it better.
That's what your mother said.
I sence we both have our draw backs on pilot watches (...nah?). Love their practicality but I'd say it's like a plain cheese sandwich. Fair enough but still needs something more, right? Btw, i'd get a Stowa or a Laco, they tend more to the original side (=they are totally Germans LMAO).
PS I love fresh bread and good cheese... HAHAHAHAHA
excellent video, but the introduction a bit awkward... Just a personal opinion
Rafael Morales I couldn’t agree more!
Ah, what's life without a bit of tension ;) Thank you for the support / appreciation, brother!
The most confusing part of the watch is not even the design, it's the marketing. What exactly is this meant to compete with? It sits in a price bracket with one too many 'better' options.
obviously, this watch isn't for you
"Laco" is pronounced like "Lacko" and not "Lah-co". The company name derived from the surname "Lacher" and the abbreviation "Co".
7 days iwc is habdwound not automatik, so powerreserve is important
Which 7 day Model/Calibre are you referring to? My Big Pilot Le Petite prince is absolutely an Automatic. Most of the recent Big Pilots operate in the Calibre 52000 which is a Pellaton pawl winding system with an automatic wheel.
Best be careful with that intro😂 liberals will get all offended because you can hear what sounds like Hitler in the background..i completely understand why ya did it though. Great video!
Thanks for the comment, man. I think context is key (since this is all about War, Germany, Luftwaffe and Pilot Watches, we need the full soundbite just to round things off)