An interesting over-sight I've noticed, which would be interesting to me is the other amount of animal products. Reptile shed can be eaten for extra nutrients, feathers could be ground down and used as additional animal based nutrients, eggs from other types of birds, antlers, horns, hoof trimmings, those weird knee chestnuts that horses grow would all make tasty snacks/treats, ground down for drink mixes etc. Sure they're not as good a milk, eggs & meat as a whole- but there's also so many other herbivores that produce milk that can be milked, goats, sheep, camels even, a lot of ungulates produce very good quality milk. Turkeys, quails, ducks, geese, emus even produce eggs on the regular (not as common as chickens) other birds in general depending on the species may ovulate eggs every "breeding" season. These by-products could be consensually sold, hell a side story of a proud line of a bird species who've selectively bred themselves for egg production for the greater good of society would be interesting. There's SO much they could explore in a world setting like this that I wish they would!
Nifty! it seems like the kind of additive that everyday items would have. If I remember right, the dogs from Legosi's dorm had a summer shed that was in a saleable amount. I actually love the idea of different animals wearing other animals hair in these kinds of settings.
I raise chickens (a small flock they're all named and cuddled) and what I do is give them back their eggs as scrambled at least once a month and I powder their shells to return the calcium they gave up to make the eggs back. It's cheaper than oyster shells and they love it. Keeps them healthier as they age
for chickens you can argue their biology leads them to lay an egg every day so long as they are healthy, so you could see them as just making a little side cash from something they need to get rid of or use up anyways.
Well, that is what's actually going on with the ground birds we've since domesticated. Chickens naturally overlay when adequately fed, whether they're sexually active or not, other egg-laying animals also occasionally lay an infertile egg, but its a lot rarer from what I've read up.
As someone who loves eating eggs but has some experience with working with hens , the fertilized egg scenario is very unlikely. Chickens are capable of producing unfertilized eggs on a near daily basis without the need of roosters ( this is largely not true with other birds ) so while that doesn’t FULLY transfer to Beastars it does shed light on it to a degree. Presumably eggs could be freely donated if the hens wish to do so but infertile eggs would be the bulk of the product ( viable ones could be chalked up to accidental occurrences). The issue is muddled since the manga/anime depicts both wild and domesticated animals living together without fully explaining how this came to be ( Jack learns a bit about this but it’s still rather unclear how this happened). If domesticated animals weren’t in the series then the milk and egg issue would be nonexistent since milk would be near impossible to obtain in a large scale and unviable eggs would be much rarer.
9:46 Well, if I may assume why it was rationalised like that, milk and eggs are a protein, albeit not like meat, but it is enough for the carnivores in Beastars to just live if they’re not trying to “bulk up” heck we saw Legoshi have a goddamn instant bulk up eating Louis’ leg for his source of meat (which is of course already unrealistic that eating meat gives one super strength INSTANTLY XD) So safe to say that only meat apparently is associated with a carnivore’s sudden super strength thing, but not entirely a necessity to just get by, unlike the next best thing being milk and eggs. Of course now comes the next part, how does one even find enough chicken or cow beings to supply all that milk and eggs for the population?
who says its only one clade of animals? many birds lay (unfertile) eggs and all mammals lactate as a rule, maybe there are just lot more varieties of milk and eggs at the store replacing what would usually be just different brands of chicken eggs and cow milk plus the plant alternative
It would be really concerning if there was male cows being used in milk prodiction. As for milk, all female mammals produce it. It means there should be a milk market for all female mammals, with cows simply holding highest demand due to widest array of use. It's fish and reptiles that don't have this option to sell milk. Finally, eggs contain all material that would become meat. In essence it's just all the minerals and protiens that will become all bone, organs and muscles but sorted in goo form still, which is why obligate carnivore species in Beastars if being shown eating meat, often have them depicted eating eggs.
If they were given certain hormones they’d be able to produce milk in their nipples like females do, it’s possible in real life with human males after all (though that would mean more effort for the milking company which would mean they’d need to invest more time and money into males and we all know most company’s don’t like giving more money for a product)
Well, there was that one Dairy place with the overworked cows that Yafya helped out also. I'm kinda on the fence as to whether I'd feel anything bad as a Chicken in the Beastar's universe. Like, I'm already of the mind that one should always be allowed to claw for traction & if so you can't be angry with people for trying to be ethical about it. A chicken's labor in the form of their eggs fertile or not is an important source of income, & while I'd probably just eat enough & not bother with partners, I can get why a Chicken might not even think about it. I mean, assuming classical barrier-style STD protection exists in the Beastars universe.
if you want ethically raised chickens ( aka they do not get a vegan diet that's cruelty to them as they need the proteins) ( with no rooster or the rooster is with a breeding flock) raise them your selves :P you want milk same thing. ( I personally love chickens they make great pets but only some cows do)
I'll just point out though that you have to get those chickens from somewhere. And anywhere you buy hens or female chicks from, has a problem with what to do with their males. At some point, males were killed to produce those hens. You may go on to treat those hens very humanely and certainly if you aren't further breeding chickens yourself the cycle stops, but people forget that even backyard chickens came from somewhere, and any place that produces hens also produces roosters, and has the same inevitable issue of what to do with them.
@@trianglekitty Okay, but is it more ethical to keep an animal alive when you really don't have a place, use, or funds for it? Every animal with chromosomal sex-selection & an associated pecking order that humans have taken to breeding for any use has had this issue. Mostly 'cause the boundaries of the habitats human's make for them are inevitably safer than the natural world that would cull them in a much more drawn out fashion.
@@trashman11 I'd be fair with them, the breed-lines for meat & eggs are often different due to well, the genes associated with the best of either characteristic. So Culling isn't always off the table even if castration is an option, there's also the hormone/age factor on the meat which is part of the reason meat-birds tend to be young at slaughter. I'd still say its a bit more wasteful than absolutely necessary, but it makes sense for factory methods to be factory methods.
@@KabegamiTheGreat That's how it seems. However, Beastars has never been particularly realistic in various natural realities of animals. Hypercarnivores don't appear to exist, hybrids are possible, etc.
Perhaps the ones who do want to make milk without pregnancy might be taking synthetic prolactin and oxytocin to produce milk. There is a woman who produces milk even when she's not pregnant because of a hormonal imbalance with prolactin, maybe it's like that with the cows of this world.
I was about to say, as a vegan myself, the egg/hen explanation made a bit more sense to me as a concept here because eggs, in both the real world and in Beastars, are the equivalent of a period in humans- it’s a waste product if there is no male in the picture to fertilize the egg. While in nature a hen can eat their unfertilized eggs to regain lost nutrients, it can be inferred that isn’t a necessary thing to do in the human-like society of Beastars where food and healthcare is readily available everywhere. Thus, why NOT sell a waste product that can get you some added revenue? As gross as it sounds, I’m sure that if people could sell their own poop/urine that can turn into a pretty penny, people wouldn’t just be flushing it down a toilet. Or a more relative less gross example; recycling bottles and turning it in for money. The one thing I hadn’t thought about was how only chickens/certain birds would be able to do this “period selling” with any monetary value and thus would be unfair advantage, but there’s a lot of differences between all species in terms of traits and benefits so I didn’t hone in on this fact too deeply. That said, that is where I have a fundamental problem with the cow/dairy example. Like OP said, cows in the real world have to be pregnant to produce milk. They have to be expecting a child. So when I saw that scene in the manga, I was disgusted, because this implied strongly that these cow employees were getting impregnated like some kind of sick twisted sex work in order to even fulfill the requirements of this job. Another thing that is inaccurate that this video pointed out were that these were OLD cows- old cows do not produce enough milk to meet market needs, and are slaughtered. And like how chickens are not the only birds that can produce eggs as a waste product, cows are not the only mammals in the world that produce milk. Aside goat milk, EVERY female mammal has the capability to produce milk… but UNLIKE eggs from birds, milk is NOT a waste product. It is strictly natural food produced for the coming children… and for a society to be encouraging the monetization of selling such a product to other animals who DO NO NEED milk after weening (lactose intolerance exists for a reason believe it or not), is utterly repulsive and barbaric. Not just talking about Beastars here either. So that was ultimately the reason why I could kind of understand the world-building around chickens selling their eggs, but NOT cows consensually selling their milk. Those two products are NOT the same, and making them near equivalent in this regard in that world is both highly inaccurate, misleading, and disgusting.
Lab grown meat could be the awnser to the meat problem in Beastars. Its also possible that there are alternatives to milk and other animal products. Surprised no one talked about that.
I think that's mostly on 'cause of the "human experimentation/cloning" question. Animals like dogs, horses & Rabbits have obviously been under breeding programs in universe(if the real world/names used maps at all), but that's still "animals who get to live their lives." Human Cell Cultures sometimes get that treatment in real life, so I wonder if the average animal in universe would feel that ambivalent about "a chunk of cloned meat" doing the job of being food instead. Especially when so many of the herbivores seem to be against Carnivores even being. For animals like that, an ambivalent view might feel straight up charitable or wishful rather than simply functional. That's not to say it wouldn't be an answer, but I wouldn't really like it if these weren't the kinda issues it brought up.
woulda subbed, but I have the higher ground with loving my animals until they die of old age or untreatable medical issues from aging (Tried, tried the one legged chicken in a wheel chair to spare my 9 year old hen after removing the other because of cancer, she died anyway 1500$ later but she at least had the chance) and say my chickens give me eggs until they don't and I keep them around for pest control and keeping their friends company. But I am also a proponent of lab grown meat and want that to happen. Imagine having to have less domesticated animals and instead having the blessing of raising, cultivating, and providing them with friendship and care while only asking of them to produce enough to replace themselves and using the cloned meat you extracted to eat without ever having to harm your pet? Best way to give thanks back to them for caring for you as you have cared for them. That's why I am glad the ending of the manga goes the way it did.
I was so confused about the egg and milk thing too. You're explanation made it make way more sense than in the show. Great job! 👍
@@KhloeKat126 Thank you! 😁
An interesting over-sight I've noticed, which would be interesting to me is the other amount of animal products.
Reptile shed can be eaten for extra nutrients, feathers could be ground down and used as additional animal based nutrients, eggs from other types of birds, antlers, horns, hoof trimmings, those weird knee chestnuts that horses grow would all make tasty snacks/treats, ground down for drink mixes etc.
Sure they're not as good a milk, eggs & meat as a whole- but there's also so many other herbivores that produce milk that can be milked, goats, sheep, camels even, a lot of ungulates produce very good quality milk.
Turkeys, quails, ducks, geese, emus even produce eggs on the regular (not as common as chickens) other birds in general depending on the species may ovulate eggs every "breeding" season. These by-products could be consensually sold, hell a side story of a proud line of a bird species who've selectively bred themselves for egg production for the greater good of society would be interesting.
There's SO much they could explore in a world setting like this that I wish they would!
Nifty! it seems like the kind of additive that everyday items would have. If I remember right, the dogs from Legosi's dorm had a summer shed that was in a saleable amount.
I actually love the idea of different animals wearing other animals hair in these kinds of settings.
I raise chickens (a small flock they're all named and cuddled) and what I do is give them back their eggs as scrambled at least once a month and I powder their shells to return the calcium they gave up to make the eggs back. It's cheaper than oyster shells and they love it. Keeps them healthier as they age
for chickens you can argue their biology leads them to lay an egg every day so long as they are healthy, so you could see them as just making a little side cash from something they need to get rid of or use up anyways.
Well, that is what's actually going on with the ground birds we've since domesticated. Chickens naturally overlay when adequately fed, whether they're sexually active or not, other egg-laying animals also occasionally lay an infertile egg, but its a lot rarer from what I've read up.
As someone who loves eating eggs but has some experience with working with hens , the fertilized egg scenario is very unlikely. Chickens are capable of producing unfertilized eggs on a near daily basis without the need of roosters ( this is largely not true with other birds ) so while that doesn’t FULLY transfer to Beastars it does shed light on it to a degree.
Presumably eggs could be freely donated if the hens wish to do so but infertile eggs would be the bulk of the product ( viable ones could be chalked up to accidental occurrences).
The issue is muddled since the manga/anime depicts both wild and domesticated animals living together without fully explaining how this came to be ( Jack learns a bit about this but it’s still rather unclear how this happened). If domesticated animals weren’t in the series then the milk and egg issue would be nonexistent since milk would be near impossible to obtain in a large scale and unviable eggs would be much rarer.
9:46 Well, if I may assume why it was rationalised like that, milk and eggs are a protein, albeit not like meat, but it is enough for the carnivores in Beastars to just live if they’re not trying to “bulk up”
heck we saw Legoshi have a goddamn instant bulk up eating Louis’ leg for his source of meat (which is of course already unrealistic that eating meat gives one super strength INSTANTLY XD)
So safe to say that only meat apparently is associated with a carnivore’s sudden super strength thing, but not entirely a necessity to just get by, unlike the next best thing being milk and eggs.
Of course now comes the next part, how does one even find enough chicken or cow beings to supply all that milk and eggs for the population?
who says its only one clade of animals? many birds lay (unfertile) eggs and all mammals lactate as a rule, maybe there are just lot more varieties of milk and eggs at the store replacing what would usually be just different brands of chicken eggs and cow milk plus the plant alternative
Female Chicks: 😟
Male Chicks: 💀
It would be really concerning if there was male cows being used in milk prodiction.
As for milk, all female mammals produce it. It means there should be a milk market for all female mammals, with cows simply holding highest demand due to widest array of use. It's fish and reptiles that don't have this option to sell milk.
Finally, eggs contain all material that would become meat. In essence it's just all the minerals and protiens that will become all bone, organs and muscles but sorted in goo form still, which is why obligate carnivore species in Beastars if being shown eating meat, often have them depicted eating eggs.
If they were given certain hormones they’d be able to produce milk in their nipples like females do, it’s possible in real life with human males after all (though that would mean more effort for the milking company which would mean they’d need to invest more time and money into males and we all know most company’s don’t like giving more money for a product)
There's no such thing as male "cows". They're either Bulls or Steers. Cow is female, end of story. Like sow, bitch, etc. when it comes to terminology.
Well, there was that one Dairy place with the overworked cows that Yafya helped out also. I'm kinda on the fence as to whether I'd feel anything bad as a Chicken in the Beastar's universe.
Like, I'm already of the mind that one should always be allowed to claw for traction & if so you can't be angry with people for trying to be ethical about it.
A chicken's labor in the form of their eggs fertile or not is an important source of income, & while I'd probably just eat enough & not bother with partners, I can get why a Chicken might not even think about it. I mean, assuming classical barrier-style STD protection exists in the Beastars universe.
if you want ethically raised chickens ( aka they do not get a vegan diet that's cruelty to them as they need the proteins) ( with no rooster or the rooster is with a breeding flock) raise them your selves :P you want milk same thing. ( I personally love chickens they make great pets but only some cows do)
I'll just point out though that you have to get those chickens from somewhere. And anywhere you buy hens or female chicks from, has a problem with what to do with their males. At some point, males were killed to produce those hens. You may go on to treat those hens very humanely and certainly if you aren't further breeding chickens yourself the cycle stops, but people forget that even backyard chickens came from somewhere, and any place that produces hens also produces roosters, and has the same inevitable issue of what to do with them.
@@trianglekittyyour one of those people that don’t understand how farming works
@@trianglekitty Okay, but is it more ethical to keep an animal alive when you really don't have a place, use, or funds for it? Every animal with chromosomal sex-selection & an associated pecking order that humans have taken to breeding for any use has had this issue.
Mostly 'cause the boundaries of the habitats human's make for them are inevitably safer than the natural world that would cull them in a much more drawn out fashion.
@@trashman11 I'd be fair with them, the breed-lines for meat & eggs are often different due to well, the genes associated with the best of either characteristic. So Culling isn't always off the table even if castration is an option, there's also the hormone/age factor on the meat which is part of the reason meat-birds tend to be young at slaughter.
I'd still say its a bit more wasteful than absolutely necessary, but it makes sense for factory methods to be factory methods.
So cows in this world can always make milk? Unlike real cows that need to be late in their pregnancy or recently given birth?
@@KabegamiTheGreat That's how it seems. However, Beastars has never been particularly realistic in various natural realities of animals. Hypercarnivores don't appear to exist, hybrids are possible, etc.
@LCLupus realistic? Do I have to remind you legoshi's mom is half venomous reptile? Lol
@@KabegamiTheGreat Definitely extremely realistic 🤣
Perhaps the ones who do want to make milk without pregnancy might be taking synthetic prolactin and oxytocin to produce milk.
There is a woman who produces milk even when she's not pregnant because of a hormonal imbalance with prolactin, maybe it's like that with the cows of this world.
I was about to say, as a vegan myself, the egg/hen explanation made a bit more sense to me as a concept here because eggs, in both the real world and in Beastars, are the equivalent of a period in humans- it’s a waste product if there is no male in the picture to fertilize the egg.
While in nature a hen can eat their unfertilized eggs to regain lost nutrients, it can be inferred that isn’t a necessary thing to do in the human-like society of Beastars where food and healthcare is readily available everywhere.
Thus, why NOT sell a waste product that can get you some added revenue?
As gross as it sounds, I’m sure that if people could sell their own poop/urine that can turn into a pretty penny, people wouldn’t just be flushing it down a toilet. Or a more relative less gross example; recycling bottles and turning it in for money.
The one thing I hadn’t thought about was how only chickens/certain birds would be able to do this “period selling” with any monetary value and thus would be unfair advantage, but there’s a lot of differences between all species in terms of traits and benefits so I didn’t hone in on this fact too deeply.
That said, that is where I have a fundamental problem with the cow/dairy example.
Like OP said, cows in the real world have to be pregnant to produce milk. They have to be expecting a child. So when I saw that scene in the manga, I was disgusted, because this implied strongly that these cow employees were getting impregnated like some kind of sick twisted sex work in order to even fulfill the requirements of this job.
Another thing that is inaccurate that this video pointed out were that these were OLD cows- old cows do not produce enough milk to meet market needs, and are slaughtered.
And like how chickens are not the only birds that can produce eggs as a waste product, cows are not the only mammals in the world that produce milk.
Aside goat milk, EVERY female mammal has the capability to produce milk… but UNLIKE eggs from birds, milk is NOT a waste product. It is strictly natural food produced for the coming children… and for a society to be encouraging the monetization of selling such a product to other animals who DO NO NEED milk after weening (lactose intolerance exists for a reason believe it or not), is utterly repulsive and barbaric. Not just talking about Beastars here either.
So that was ultimately the reason why I could kind of understand the world-building around chickens selling their eggs, but NOT cows consensually selling their milk. Those two products are NOT the same, and making them near equivalent in this regard in that world is both highly inaccurate, misleading, and disgusting.
Lab grown meat could be the awnser to the meat problem in Beastars. Its also possible that there are alternatives to milk and other animal products. Surprised no one talked about that.
I think that's mostly on 'cause of the "human experimentation/cloning" question. Animals like dogs, horses & Rabbits have obviously been under breeding programs in universe(if the real world/names used maps at all), but that's still "animals who get to live their lives."
Human Cell Cultures sometimes get that treatment in real life, so I wonder if the average animal in universe would feel that ambivalent about "a chunk of cloned meat" doing the job of being food instead. Especially when so many of the herbivores seem to be against Carnivores even being. For animals like that, an ambivalent view might feel straight up charitable or wishful rather than simply functional.
That's not to say it wouldn't be an answer, but I wouldn't really like it if these weren't the kinda issues it brought up.
Gross
Since when has giving more money to the rich ever solved any problems? Ever heard about trickle down economics.
woulda subbed, but I have the higher ground with loving my animals until they die of old age or untreatable medical issues from aging (Tried, tried the one legged chicken in a wheel chair to spare my 9 year old hen after removing the other because of cancer, she died anyway 1500$ later but she at least had the chance) and say my chickens give me eggs until they don't and I keep them around for pest control and keeping their friends company.
But I am also a proponent of lab grown meat and want that to happen. Imagine having to have less domesticated animals and instead having the blessing of raising, cultivating, and providing them with friendship and care while only asking of them to produce enough to replace themselves and using the cloned meat you extracted to eat without ever having to harm your pet? Best way to give thanks back to them for caring for you as you have cared for them. That's why I am glad the ending of the manga goes the way it did.
most likly those other poorer animals end up in or working for the black market
@@WTSD850 Very likely. Or winding up like the beggar character.
Cats are compulsory carnivores and REQUIRE meat
Your name is silly
@@RavenheartArts I know, but I still try 😉