Compliments on your disciplined daily postings. As for OOTP, I haven't played it so can't describe any results from actual simulations. But I would certainly have many questions about its accuracy for player career development before I'd invest in such a game. One of the reasons I switched to DMB from APBA BBW was because of the latter's inaccuracy in applying ballpark factors, as well as the ease to create and modify player ratings in DMB. And of course the statistical accuracy of the game. I've come to understand how DMB's eras work to the point where I could reasonable apply adjusted eras to account for player quality and adjusted statistics in expanded leagues or for "time-travel" baseball. How OOTP baseball does this (or even tries to do it), I do not know. I see in one of your OOTP examples, Sandy Koufax is out of the majors prematurely. Now, in an ahistorical sense there could be many reasons for this. What if the Dodgers remain in Brooklyn and he never gets to pitch in Dodger Stadium as his home park? What if he is released/traded and picked up by Boston (a lefty in Fenway)? What if he isn't signed by Brooklyn as a "bonus baby" (and therefore is required to remain on the roster) and the Dodgers keep Tommy Lasorda on the roster instead? What if Cleveland wins in the 1919 A.L. pennant? How can the "Black Sox" be banned from baseball for throwing a World Series they didn't participate in? Could the game wash out an 18-year old Ty Cobb because he hits .198 in his rookie season instead of .238? (similar to washing out Lou Gehrig in one of your examples.) For me, one the major enjoyments in playing season-to-season simulations would be watching how players I grew up seeing play (or reading about for those I didn't) perform over the course of time. I'd like to see if the Red Sox could form a dynasty in the mid-40s if not for World War II or in the mid and late '70s if free agency didn't come about until after a strike in 1981. Perhaps Lou Gehrig plays until 1942 if not for his terminal illness. Bobby Bonds staying in San Francisco with healthy knees. Sandy Koufax pitching into his late '30s. Thurman Munson not dying in that airplane crash and then getting traded to Cleveland. But to have a game arbitrarily wash out our heroes (or even rival villians) before they get their career on track? Especially without a clear understanding of how the game makes such decisions. No, not for me.
I'm really tempting as well to do so. I have to do the experiment as well. One of the main reasons I was looking at the development engine was to hope for long good career for Fydrich and Ankiel. I'm really surprised about your results. More testing needed. Thank you
No problem! I've got a feeling that OOTP might be a bit biased against Fydrich. You might remember the things Bill James wrote about him in the New Historical Baseball Abstract a few decades ago. Sabermetrics seems not to like guys who would pitch to contact like Fydrich did. I haven't spent the time to dig into the math behind that analysis. However, I really wish Bird had a longer career than he did.
I think so, though I haven't played it as much as I'd like to. The graphics seem to be upgraded a fairly decent amount, at least. The new default camera angles are quite good.
That was interesting. I usually use both. I also set talent change randomness to 200 (max. This means that players don't follow a set aging algorithm and provides some variation from history to simulate guys having weird one hit wonder seasons. Then at the end of the season their ratings get recalced based on 5 years of data. I find this the best happy medium as the OOTP dev engine is too random for me and makes me feel like I'm playing with made up players rather than real historical guys
Interesting - I'll give that a try as well. And, yeah, the development engine has never impressed me after I've read the experiences others have had with it.
@@baseballreplayjournal yeah. of course you get the most realistic historical results with one year recalculation but I find that gets a little too predictable. They do their best with the OOTP engine but it needs help in the historical leagues where you're dealing with actual players.
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Compliments on your disciplined daily postings.
As for OOTP, I haven't played it so can't describe any results from actual simulations.
But I would certainly have many questions about its accuracy for player career development before I'd invest in such a game.
One of the reasons I switched to DMB from APBA BBW was because of the latter's inaccuracy in applying ballpark factors, as well as the ease to create and modify player ratings in DMB. And of course the statistical accuracy of the game.
I've come to understand how DMB's eras work to the point where I could reasonable apply adjusted eras to account for player quality and adjusted statistics in expanded leagues or for "time-travel" baseball.
How OOTP baseball does this (or even tries to do it), I do not know.
I see in one of your OOTP examples, Sandy Koufax is out of the majors prematurely. Now, in an ahistorical sense there could be many reasons for this. What if the Dodgers remain in Brooklyn and he never gets to pitch in Dodger Stadium as his home park? What if he is released/traded and picked up by Boston (a lefty in Fenway)? What if he isn't signed by Brooklyn as a "bonus baby" (and therefore is required to remain on the roster) and the Dodgers keep Tommy Lasorda on the roster instead?
What if Cleveland wins in the 1919 A.L. pennant? How can the "Black Sox" be banned from baseball for throwing a World Series they didn't participate in?
Could the game wash out an 18-year old Ty Cobb because he hits .198 in his rookie season instead of .238? (similar to washing out Lou Gehrig in one of your examples.)
For me, one the major enjoyments in playing season-to-season simulations would be watching how players I grew up seeing play (or reading about for those I didn't) perform over the course of time. I'd like to see if the Red Sox could form a dynasty in the mid-40s if not for World War II or in the mid and late '70s if free agency didn't come about until after a strike in 1981. Perhaps Lou Gehrig plays until 1942 if not for his terminal illness. Bobby Bonds staying in San Francisco with healthy knees. Sandy Koufax pitching into his late '30s. Thurman Munson not dying in that airplane crash and then getting traded to Cleveland.
But to have a game arbitrarily wash out our heroes (or even rival villians) before they get their career on track? Especially without a clear understanding of how the game makes such decisions. No, not for me.
I'm really tempting as well to do so. I have to do the experiment as well. One of the main reasons I was looking at the development engine was to hope for long good career for Fydrich and Ankiel. I'm really surprised about your results. More testing needed.
Thank you
No problem!
I've got a feeling that OOTP might be a bit biased against Fydrich. You might remember the things Bill James wrote about him in the New Historical Baseball Abstract a few decades ago. Sabermetrics seems not to like guys who would pitch to contact like Fydrich did.
I haven't spent the time to dig into the math behind that analysis. However, I really wish Bird had a longer career than he did.
Fantastic video! Your videos have inspired me to start playing my ootp21 again. I'm primarily a strat guy. Is it worth the upgrade to ootp25?
I think so, though I haven't played it as much as I'd like to. The graphics seem to be upgraded a fairly decent amount, at least. The new default camera angles are quite good.
That was interesting. I usually use both. I also set talent change randomness to 200 (max. This means that players don't follow a set aging algorithm and provides some variation from history to simulate guys having weird one hit wonder seasons. Then at the end of the season their ratings get recalced based on 5 years of data. I find this the best happy medium as the OOTP dev engine is too random for me and makes me feel like I'm playing with made up players rather than real historical guys
Interesting - I'll give that a try as well.
And, yeah, the development engine has never impressed me after I've read the experiences others have had with it.
@@baseballreplayjournal yeah.
of course you get the most realistic historical results with one year recalculation but I find that gets a little too predictable. They do their best with the OOTP engine but it needs help in the historical leagues where you're dealing with actual players.