US BB was first like I played in wows , as I got free Texas , bb to New York where super borring to play , and my first battle first 3 min on New Mexico 20 km dev strike snipe on enemy BB ... awsome I loved that , and I had good time on her , then I unlocked Colorado , and ship is not bad , guns are actually very good , issue with her is speed and turning , and I rember I grinded her and my 2nd game was on Fault Line , 2nd & 3rd too , that map is hell for Colorado , islands block way , so your choice is go side and often you come too late to make any difference or enemies are allrady dead , or you can go middle and you are pray for dd , so yeah after 4 battles on her I quit that line and to be honnest whole wows for 3 months , and when I have returned I saved free xp and spend that to go past her ... WG have annouced that they introduce new BB line bougt times , I did what ever was needed to unlock T8 in event , I did not played Colorado since 28.02.2018 and I will never doo !
@@smilingpolitely12345 By the time Texas was in game Colorado had already been buffed A. LOT. from the old days. She used to be woefully bad, now she's perfectly usable, if horribly slow.
@@ainumahtar I like play Vermont , and she work good with 2p Brisk skill , there was some acceleration buff to all 3 alternative bb and now they are very playable , but I dunno if that apply to Colorado , I have 2 camos for Coloardo and eco perma bonus , but for me playing Colorado would be like have sex with ex Karen that you hate and she now weight 130kg and is 156cm tall ... nope , oh tho I have prive if WG put 1.000.000db on the table , I could play battle on Colorado ... in co op on auto pilot ... I would at that time be somwhere else .
American BB line is different then all the others, but when you know what these ships can do your prety good in winning games. Same goes for the Royal Navy DD's once you know how to play them ...
3men2destroyer here, the name is a word play in Spanish, it means awesome destroyer, as in tree(3)-men-do(2), tremendo. Complicated but not in Spanish lol. Thanks for the feature, finally got one of my replays posted.
With the reload upgrade on the tier 10, Netherlands cruiser gives its 283mm guns found on the sharnhoarst a 13-second reload, which is 2 seconds faster than japanese light cruiser guns lol
Hi Jingles, I am sitting across the pond on the east coast slowly healing from burst appendix surgery. I eagerly await your videos each week which has helped to break the boredom and discomfort of the healing process. I know it's your job, but thx for posting and being entertaining.
Speaking of being high on team list when you are playing badly... I had once a game on two brothers where both teams were just cruisers and maybe just 2 or 3 BB:s. I decided that I would play a DD in my T7 *french* cruiser and got immediately clapped for something like 95% of my health. In my defence, I did that because no-one else was doing anything. Our entire team just folded and sailed towards A line. I then sailed through the middle to cap red base (standard battle) just so that I could at least be a distraction while rest of the team finds their man-pants. I made 5 shell hits in entire game. Not even pens. 5 hits to enemy ship. I finished 3rd on the team.
Ok I was clapped too few times , cruisers are best to experience that , I remember when I have grinded Cleaveland one of my first battles on her , I have taken best camo I had best eco signals , I went close to cap I got spoted , I turned to run away ...
@@smilingpolitely12345and, clap! 😂 I have fealt that too! Imagine you have a dozen games where, no matter what you do you are the first one killed or did a s**t ton of damage but, since you didn't sink anything you finished 3rd to last in experience earned! My last game played was sometime in 2015 because I was in a battleship and one of the DD's on my team decided they didn't like the way I was playing and torpedoes me and we both sink! I reported that player and uninstalled the game! I still love to see games like this though! 😂😎👍
The sad thing about WoWs is that a lot of the high scores are one player carrying a terrible team and refusing to give up. On the other hand, I remember winning a Tier III standard battle in my V-25, last ship on my team against at least 4 enemies, I hid in the enemy cap with 10% hitpoints left, and the whole enemy team steamed across the map toward my team's base while I was capping. Darndest thing I ever saw.
Actually Jingles.... I really enjoyed the video. Your deviously overlord laughter sounds like it's nearly back to its normal self. Akazuki seems to notice too. Good to hear!
Bearn is actually a very interesting CV. If anything, I'm surprised there aren't any games featured for that one, considering that it acts as the antithesis to every other CV; a literal no fly zone for the enemy CVs.
When I first saw the spec for the new line of IJN Light Cruisers I thought WOW had crossed up the reload time with the turret rotation time. Unfortunately they had not despite swapping them would make the ships worth owning. A detail they do not currently possess and which WOW shows no intention of changing.
Sounds like a homebuilder friend of mine when evaluating workmanship. Me: What do you think? Him: "Is it not horrible?" Me: Not horrible. Him: "We're good. Let's go."
Colorado went south to support the rest of his team, he was alone at B by that point and would just be Sub food. He wasn't broadsiding, he only has 49k health (he has the A hull) and Colorado tends to eats pens at all angles. He allowed the 2 cruisers extra damage and to disengage at the cost of being focused by 2 BBs.
This was in the 1st Battle Pass for the final prize if you upgraded, it's sorta like an IJN Atlanta but more fun than an Atlanta. 360 degree turrets are sheer joy to use, esp with Yamamoto on board ;)
Sleep ? I have 'naps' that last only till I can not ignore the arthritis that reminds me of each and every time I did something I should NOT have done. Jingles is a very good distraction for when the pain meds have run out of use, ( *&%^$*^$^#@*&&*(@$*^%$^$&(^&%*&) !!! ) LOL.
When I was just starting out in Warships seven plus years ago I started watching tons of videos, mostly yours, looking at how good and bad people played. I was still a noob for the first thousand games at least but finally got my WR over 56%; not great but getting better. So thank you for your videos and advice.
to be fair, that Colorado would have had to face a sub if it remained north to defend. if that sub wasnt a complete moron, it would have sunk him without getting any damage in return.
Why am I not surprised that Wargaming added in a whole line of ships that everyone wanted, but somehow managed to fuck it up? Jingles is fond of asking "how do you fuck that up?" to teams participathing in a Game of Throws episode. However, the people who keep fucking that up the most are the goddamn DEVELOPERS!
Starting off my day watching a Jingles video while waiting for hurricane Idalia to dance to the west and later to the north of me. Hopefully. LOL. After 50 years I am used to the watch and wait. Which made me think. Jingles? Do you have any stories about going through storms at sea? I can't imagine being on a smallish ship in a typhoon/hurricane.
I personally liked the Omono(the tier 7). It didn't feel all that bad to me. I haven't had enough games in the Shimanto to say how it feels but I've enjoyed the few games that I've put into it.
Speaking of the torpedoes: "they're not terrible". Yeah, aside from the low number of them, they're the best of any tier VII cruiser by far. "Not terrible" indeed... "arcs on launcher, which are pretty bad". Jingles, as usual, is completely high.
Agreed about the IJN light cruisers Gnome Overlord - playing last night on the PTS and got the Tier 8 turret rotation (180 degrees) down to 7.5 secs - sadly, nothing I could do about the 10 second reload.....no complaints from the Baltimore that sank me while I waited. And waited....
TBH, before the video started, I thought that the video would be about "Le Terrible - French premium Tier VIII destroyer." I guess, my sense of humor was let down at this point, hahaha!!
Oh wow I just had an interesting thought. Imagine Jingles on SatNav.. Make a mistake and you hear " will you cocked that up didn't you" Ok now I want that to happen lol.
I don't think the Colorado's move down the middle was especially atrocious. It's not great since a BB down the middle is always putting themselves into a bad position, but most of the enemy team was on the other side of the map and there wasn't much chance he could defend that cap alone. If he stayed he would have to take the sub head on and eat torpedoes. If he went the long way around to try and regroup he never would have gotten into a position to engage anyone while still having the sub on his tail. If the sub follows him into the gap he'll have an easier time hitting it with airstrikes. His mistake was stopping to back up into the gap after he cleared it, making him a sitting duck. He needed to push in the open and angle against the BBs to tank as long as he could while contesting the cap. Give the rest of the team an opportunity to whittle them down.
Great post-game advice, Jingles! Although one has to be able to view oneself with a critical eye, in order to get any benefit from that... I know plenty of co-op players who wouldn't.
@@smilingpolitely12345 you really want to see them balance a premium in the space of a month? If its bad people say they arent spending money, and if they release the next llowenhardt or cesare in a BP people claim the games P2W. Wg is doing the smart thing here. By sticking to crates and resources they can offer a decent reward without pressuring their balance department to get it right every time
3men2 destroyer here, that's how i got it. I hated it at first, you get bottom tier MM and will be mostly useless. But wen you are top tier you will definitely enjoy her a lot, she is what i call an "open water" ligth cruiser. Not like the Atlanta because you have long range fast torpedoes you can harass BBs from max distance and distract them from manuverig so they can hit you with their slow guns. 7 out 10 time you will hit them with a surprise torpedo from 11 km away.
The tier 8 Mogami with its fifteen 155mm guns has higher damage per minute than the tier 10 Yodo with its eighteen 150mm guns.... this could've been such a slam dunk for wargaming.. I will never forgive them
Leave it to wargaming to make you pay for a better ship than what the tech tree line is. Kinda reminds me of the controversy around the ISU-152 with the BL-10 gun. They removed that gun from the tech tree tank destroyer (because it was too good for a tech tree tank) only to reintroduce a premium ISU-152K WITH the BL-10 gun. Soo from the start WG meant to say was we want you to pay for this instead of having it for free.
That's been the way for any new tank line they introduce. The EBR 75 FL10 or whichever it was is probably the genesis of that. If you're lucky, Wargaming will sell you a vehicle that overstates the quality of the new tech tree, is equal to or better than the tier 9, and encourages you to waste your resources on the new line. That's if you're lucky, otherwise you have to gamble for it in loot boxes.
I disagree. The IJN CL line is a LOT of fun. Shimanto is one of my favorite ships in the game now. Yodo is a kite ship like most of the other IJN ships. I like New Mexico better than Colorado. I know that flies in the face of conventional wisdom but, I've never been conventional.
I'm pretty sure almost all players that have been around a while like NM better than Colorado, she was painful AF to use prior to all the buffs, now she's just slow but pretty good otherwise.
I find Shimanto to be just fine. Gokase however is a fantastic ship to me. I played 50+ games in each of the ships of this line, and apart of these two, I find the line to be pretty bad. I was about to write a pretty detailed article on the line, and why it's a travesty from both a gameplay and historical perspective, but then they shut down the forum... At least the ships don't break the game, so if some people like them, it's not all bad I suppose...
On the note of playing badly while still being high on the scoreboard... It also matters how long you survived. If you swallow a handful of random torps (you never were spotted) and get devstruck early in battle you will score on the bottom. But if you survive until you are in the last 1/3 of your team (like that colorado) you will naturally score relatively high. So the colorado should've been placed on the scoreboard at least 2 places higher, at least judging from how long he survived
Great video as always! I really enjoyed it (and I don't even play WOW). Is there a way to increase the mini-map size during the replay like in WOT? It would help me understand the battle quite a bit.
I've actually played through Mogami using the 8" guns as soon as I could get them, because my captain was specced for the 8" guns and 155 mm guns without IFHE were pretty useless back then. This was years ago, mind me.
Jeez, I had to do a double take on that Ryulo. That camo scheme they're running, I genuinely thought it was an outcrop of rocks. 🤣 Until he started lighting it up!
I don't need an replay of myself to notice my mistakes. I see them immediately. That does however not mean that I can prevent doing them over and over again.
14:40 I shall take this as a sign that I'm at least okay at this game now seeing as when I'm not bottom tier and forced to dodge torpedos I rather like the New Mexico.
If that Undine had stayed at max range, he could've sunk the Carrier easily. The Carrier automatic anti-submarine warfare has limited range, which is ussually about 50-60% range of the submarines torpedoes. For example, Midway at T10 (USA) has an 8km range on it's automatic Anti-Submarine warfare planes, but submarines at T10 have between 12km (UK/USA) and 14km (Germany), so that's easily 4-6km range OUT of the what Jingles calls it "an auto-win against submarines" to spam sonar and torps from with 0 drawbacks. *Undine has 10km range on torps, that Bearn has 6km range on anti-submarine flight. So the Undine was 4km too close to the Carrier.
well played in a lil glass cannpn. yes jingles you were picking on the colorado, he did ok, so the dog.... scored 200xp just to put things in perspective here. any1 nowadays with decent damage and a coupla kills that got 1000-1200xp did contribute to their team.
It's not fast compared to other light cruiser guns, but when you have 15 guns of them, well, you could probably see how Jingles could consider the reload fast for something that has that much guns on it.
Wait a sec, I remember regrinding the IJN old cruiser line like a year ago and remembering that the Mogami's guns couldn't penetrate much at high tiers. Is Jingles talking about the DPM of a Mogami with IFHE or is he wrong? I'm confused.
@@drakeconsumerofsoulsandche4303 okay sure but do you use AP? It's been at least 4 patches but I remember the HE being anemic when it came to damaging superstructures
Mogami gets extra penetration for its HE compared to e.g. 152 mm-armed (non-German) light cruisers, since the extra 3 mm of its 155 mm guns make a difference (just like 460 vs 457 mm makes a difference for AP).
this video made me realize how absolutely useless AA is. like there's a moment where the planes run through a gauntlet of like 4 or 5 ships. still get their attacks off... then there's the one where the new orleans used a consumable to fire extra aa and still did dick all to stop the planes. it's ridiculous.
Again - AA does not mean all planes are killed - not sure why this thought even exists. Didn't happen in real life and there is tons of defense against a CV and TONS are killed in games. In fact - all games I have played in the last 2 years - had at least one CV die and most time - all are destroyed.
it has existed since the CV rework. Cus that is how AA used to work. In RTS CV days their where ships that where untouchable to CVs, namely any ship with DEF AA, US BBs, CLs, so on and so forth. Post CV rework, that "wave" attack system should never have been implimented, meanwhile the Russians get Attack waves similar to RTS cvs.
i was going to say shout out to the colorado player´s name but after seeing him play he surely named himself after the weed variety rather than the musician
I found that when you are in a 'Standard' U.S. BB you want to aim up the middle and hope your gun range lets you hit what is not yet tucked up against an Island to shield plunging fire. We knew as WWII kicked off that the new 'Fast BB's' were the new building blocks of the surface fleets. As for going down the middle in a BB on 'Two Brothers' You need Flambass with you to make it have a fair chance it will work or draw some back to cover the mouth of your end of that channel and hope, your team will see this and push accordingly. ( I said 'accordingly' ) WEEGEE did not add that to the algorithm so I added it to the list of things that just PUTMFO !!!. I have this question for all of the 'Viewers', Who are we going to get to commentate Jingles battles so we get a full dialog with all the trimmings as Jingles gets to blush like a school girl when we hear a JWITMF was that ? LOL. ( I vote for the man, the myth, the legend ) ' MrGibbins '. so we get a full dose of sarcasm to fill in the gaps between the last description to the next one. What say you all ?.
It was years ago that I played the Mogami . I never understood why so many players said that the 203 mm guns were weaker. I had much better results with them, more hit damage and fire damage. I even whent back to the smaller guns to see if I missed anything.
@@AllAhabNoMoby Yes but I still did more damage with the 203 mm guns. At the time I kept a record of battles with both guns, and the 203 did more damage. Just keep in mind this was before IFHE was in the game.
At the time, Mogami was the only ship to feature 15 guns in its Light Cruiser configuration and Historical at that). And triple turrets look better to the eye. That being said I also, curiously, felt more at ease with the 203s just because I played the Myoko for so long before going to T8.
It is and was way easier to do damage with the 203s because of the caliber and the way HE penetration works, vs what you usually face, but if you know how to use them (and enemies let you get away with it), the 155s win every time because they have so much more dpm.
@@ainumahtar That's with the IFHE skill ? My experience with Mogami was before that skill was in the game. Maybe I should try the Mogami with that skill 😃
Interesting point at the end. I can apply that to my sport, rifle shooting. Was your shooting genuinely good or was it a fluke? So many times I thought I buggered up a shot and it turned out it was a bullseye. I mean its a bullseye, I'll take it. But that wasn't a good shot because I thought as soon as I pulled the trigger, i've f***ed it up. As soon as I was taught that way of thinking, my shooting improved. The good shots aren't necessarily good shots.
At least the IJN CLs are actually Japanese. Sure, the top tier ones are fake, but at least they're not just reflagged American and Soviet cruiser designs with no alterations.
Actually Jingles, that Colorado wasn't broadside to those two battleships at all, he remained bow on and started reversing to also use the islands as cover. While he should have stayed in the North to defend that cap point, that wasn't *that* bad of a play.
Thanks for the video. I know better than to hope Jingles will ever learn to pronounce foreignspeak, but on the off-chance: Bearn is pronounced like bay arn Undine is pronounced Oon (as in moon) DEE nay
The T8 and T9 IJN light cruisers are fun to play. They take s few matches to get used to, but I've had quite a few good games in them and enjoy their torps and fire arcs. They are fragile, but so are all light cruisers in the game. No, they don't shot fast, but if played to their strengths, they are good ships. Far from the best, but not "shit". I enjoy playing the Mino and Wooster so I know fragile ship play.
now i want jingless to commentate his own replays
oh hell yes! LOL
Yes I vote for that .
He used to.
I want that, but without him knowing they are. They did that with a few CS players and they were SO mean to themselves :D
OP's right.
The thing with the Colorado is that you really can't change your mind as it takes forever to do anything in it.
US BB was first like I played in wows , as I got free Texas , bb to New York where super borring to play , and my first battle first 3 min on New Mexico 20 km dev strike snipe on enemy BB ... awsome I loved that , and I had good time on her , then I unlocked Colorado , and ship is not bad , guns are actually very good , issue with her is speed and turning , and I rember I grinded her and my 2nd game was on Fault Line , 2nd & 3rd too , that map is hell for Colorado , islands block way , so your choice is go side and often you come too late to make any difference or enemies are allrady dead , or you can go middle and you are pray for dd , so yeah after 4 battles on her I quit that line and to be honnest whole wows for 3 months , and when I have returned I saved free xp and spend that to go past her ... WG have annouced that they introduce new BB line bougt times , I did what ever was needed to unlock T8 in event , I did not played Colorado since 28.02.2018 and I will never doo !
@AdamMarcinkowski-ys8dk You are damn what ever you do in the Colorado. 🤣
I only recall having one great game in Colorado and so so many boring games.
@@smilingpolitely12345 By the time Texas was in game Colorado had already been buffed A. LOT. from the old days. She used to be woefully bad, now she's perfectly usable, if horribly slow.
@@ainumahtar I like play Vermont , and she work good with 2p Brisk skill , there was some acceleration buff to all 3 alternative bb and now they are very playable , but I dunno if that apply to Colorado , I have 2 camos for Coloardo and eco perma bonus , but for me playing Colorado would be like have sex with ex Karen that you hate and she now weight 130kg and is 156cm tall ... nope , oh tho I have prive if WG put 1.000.000db on the table , I could play battle on Colorado ... in co op on auto pilot ... I would at that time be somwhere else .
American BB line is different then all the others, but when you know what these ships can do your prety good in winning games. Same goes for the Royal Navy DD's once you know how to play them ...
Akizuki with the impeccable timing at the end.
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3men2destroyer here, the name is a word play in Spanish, it means awesome destroyer, as in tree(3)-men-do(2), tremendo. Complicated but not in Spanish lol. Thanks for the feature, finally got one of my replays posted.
With the reload upgrade on the tier 10, Netherlands cruiser gives its 283mm guns found on the sharnhoarst a 13-second reload, which is 2 seconds faster than japanese light cruiser guns lol
Hi Jingles, I am sitting across the pond on the east coast slowly healing from burst appendix surgery. I eagerly await your videos each week which has helped to break the boredom and discomfort of the healing process. I know it's your job, but thx for posting and being entertaining.
Rough stuff, I almost burst mine earlier this year. Wish you a fast recovery! Jingles videos did seriously cut down on my recovery time.
Thx
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Speaking of being high on team list when you are playing badly... I had once a game on two brothers where both teams were just cruisers and maybe just 2 or 3 BB:s. I decided that I would play a DD in my T7 *french* cruiser and got immediately clapped for something like 95% of my health. In my defence, I did that because no-one else was doing anything. Our entire team just folded and sailed towards A line. I then sailed through the middle to cap red base (standard battle) just so that I could at least be a distraction while rest of the team finds their man-pants. I made 5 shell hits in entire game. Not even pens. 5 hits to enemy ship. I finished 3rd on the team.
Ok I was clapped too few times , cruisers are best to experience that , I remember when I have grinded Cleaveland one of my first battles on her , I have taken best camo I had best eco signals , I went close to cap I got spoted , I turned to run away ...
@@smilingpolitely12345and, clap! 😂 I have fealt that too! Imagine you have a dozen games where, no matter what you do you are the first one killed or did a s**t ton of damage but, since you didn't sink anything you finished 3rd to last in experience earned! My last game played was sometime in 2015 because I was in a battleship and one of the DD's on my team decided they didn't like the way I was playing and torpedoes me and we both sink! I reported that player and uninstalled the game! I still love to see games like this though! 😂😎👍
The sad thing about WoWs is that a lot of the high scores are one player carrying a terrible team and refusing to give up. On the other hand, I remember winning a Tier III standard battle in my V-25, last ship on my team against at least 4 enemies, I hid in the enemy cap with 10% hitpoints left, and the whole enemy team steamed across the map toward my team's base while I was capping. Darndest thing I ever saw.
The two Girls One Cup reference is one for the Dark Ages 🤣🤣
Never expected the Gnome Overlord be that deep in the internet "culture"😭😭
The workers in the Salt mines must of mentioned it enough that he googled it...
Actually Jingles, the tier 10 Yodo has 18 guns, not 15
And it can wreck face.
@@ImpendingJoker Yeah I've seen some madlad games in that ship
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@@ImpendingJoker not really.
It's worthlessly inept except for it's torps. Which are only pertinent if you live long enough to get in range.
Actually Jingles.... I really enjoyed the video. Your deviously overlord laughter sounds like it's nearly back to its normal self. Akazuki seems to notice too. Good to hear!
Anybody remember Fighting Steel? In night battles the 6" Mogami was so much better than the 8" cruisers. But Alaskas were terrifying.
I never really liked playing the Japanese/American campaigns
Bearn is actually a very interesting CV. If anything, I'm surprised there aren't any games featured for that one, considering that it acts as the antithesis to every other CV; a literal no fly zone for the enemy CVs.
A missed opportunity for a 'purrfect' at the end of the video.
Akisuki is always purrfect, with her meows at the right time!
When I first saw the spec for the new line of IJN Light Cruisers I thought WOW had crossed up the reload time with the turret rotation time. Unfortunately they had not despite swapping them would make the ships worth owning. A detail they do not currently possess and which WOW shows no intention of changing.
Sounds like a homebuilder friend of mine when evaluating workmanship.
Me: What do you think?
Him: "Is it not horrible?"
Me: Not horrible.
Him: "We're good. Let's go."
Always posting at 3 am for me, damn it jingles let me sleep!
Colorado went south to support the rest of his team, he was alone at B by that point and would just be Sub food. He wasn't broadsiding, he only has 49k health (he has the A hull) and Colorado tends to eats pens at all angles. He allowed the 2 cruisers extra damage and to disengage at the cost of being focused by 2 BBs.
Perhaps he thought that the AC would de-dap too ?
he was broadsiding at least some of the time
This was in the 1st Battle Pass for the final prize if you upgraded, it's sorta like an IJN Atlanta but more fun than an Atlanta.
360 degree turrets are sheer joy to use, esp with Yamamoto on board ;)
Shot out to my fellow Jingle enjoyers who cant sleep
Sleep ? I have 'naps' that last only till I can not ignore the arthritis that reminds me of each and every time I did something I should NOT have done. Jingles is a very good distraction for when the pain meds have run out of use, ( *&%^$*^$^#@*&&*(@$*^%$^$&(^&%*&) !!! ) LOL.
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18:30 -- the Cat droppin' nuthin' but truth. : D
When I was just starting out in Warships seven plus years ago I started watching tons of videos, mostly yours, looking at how good and bad people played. I was still a noob for the first thousand games at least but finally got my WR over 56%; not great but getting better. So thank you for your videos and advice.
"Not completely shit if you pay enough for it" should be the WG slogan...
to be fair, that Colorado would have had to face a sub if it remained north to defend.
if that sub wasnt a complete moron, it would have sunk him without getting any damage in return.
Why am I not surprised that Wargaming added in a whole line of ships that everyone wanted, but somehow managed to fuck it up?
Jingles is fond of asking "how do you fuck that up?" to teams participathing in a Game of Throws episode. However, the people who keep fucking that up the most are the goddamn DEVELOPERS!
Jingles- How can I say the exact same thing three dozen times to fill the silence of a replay?
Starting off my day watching a Jingles video while waiting for hurricane Idalia to dance to the west and later to the north of me. Hopefully. LOL. After 50 years I am used to the watch and wait. Which made me think. Jingles? Do you have any stories about going through storms at sea? I can't imagine being on a smallish ship in a typhoon/hurricane.
I personally liked the Omono(the tier 7). It didn't feel all that bad to me. I haven't had enough games in the Shimanto to say how it feels but I've enjoyed the few games that I've put into it.
every day's a good day when I see a Mighty Jingles post!
Speaking of the torpedoes:
"they're not terrible". Yeah, aside from the low number of them, they're the best of any tier VII cruiser by far. "Not terrible" indeed...
"arcs on launcher, which are pretty bad". Jingles, as usual, is completely high.
love how the tokachi has a wiki page whilst its tech tree equivalent the omono doesnt have a complete wiki
Agreed about the IJN light cruisers Gnome Overlord - playing last night on the PTS and got the Tier 8 turret rotation (180 degrees) down to 7.5 secs - sadly, nothing I could do about the 10 second reload.....no complaints from the Baltimore that sank me while I waited. And waited....
I am a genius on tactics. Right up until I press the battle button and my IQ drops in half.
TBH, before the video started, I thought that the video would be about "Le Terrible - French premium Tier VIII destroyer." I guess, my sense of humor was let down at this point, hahaha!!
Same for me tbh.
Oh wow I just had an interesting thought. Imagine Jingles on SatNav.. Make a mistake and you hear " will you cocked that up didn't you" Ok now I want that to happen lol.
Love your commentary at the end! : )
I don't think the Colorado's move down the middle was especially atrocious. It's not great since a BB down the middle is always putting themselves into a bad position, but most of the enemy team was on the other side of the map and there wasn't much chance he could defend that cap alone. If he stayed he would have to take the sub head on and eat torpedoes. If he went the long way around to try and regroup he never would have gotten into a position to engage anyone while still having the sub on his tail. If the sub follows him into the gap he'll have an easier time hitting it with airstrikes.
His mistake was stopping to back up into the gap after he cleared it, making him a sitting duck. He needed to push in the open and angle against the BBs to tank as long as he could while contesting the cap. Give the rest of the team an opportunity to whittle them down.
Great post-game advice, Jingles! Although one has to be able to view oneself with a critical eye, in order to get any benefit from that... I know plenty of co-op players who wouldn't.
Tokachi isnt in the store, she was last years BP reward
Yup first BP reword ever , and after that BP suck ass .
@@smilingpolitely12345 you really want to see them balance a premium in the space of a month? If its bad people say they arent spending money, and if they release the next llowenhardt or cesare in a BP people claim the games P2W.
Wg is doing the smart thing here. By sticking to crates and resources they can offer a decent reward without pressuring their balance department to get it right every time
@@smilingpolitely12345yup, the next one after that was Spanish Santa 😂
3men2 destroyer here, that's how i got it. I hated it at first, you get bottom tier MM and will be mostly useless. But wen you are top tier you will definitely enjoy her a lot, she is what i call an "open water" ligth cruiser. Not like the Atlanta because you have long range fast torpedoes you can harass BBs from max distance and distract them from manuverig so they can hit you with their slow guns. 7 out 10 time you will hit them with a surprise torpedo from 11 km away.
The tier 8 Mogami with its fifteen 155mm guns has higher damage per minute than the tier 10 Yodo with its eighteen 150mm guns.... this could've been such a slam dunk for wargaming.. I will never forgive them
I never catch the vids this early😂 hope you're doing well jingles
Leave it to wargaming to make you pay for a better ship than what the tech tree line is. Kinda reminds me of the controversy around the ISU-152 with the BL-10 gun. They removed that gun from the tech tree tank destroyer (because it was too good for a tech tree tank) only to reintroduce a premium ISU-152K WITH the BL-10 gun. Soo from the start WG meant to say was we want you to pay for this instead of having it for free.
That's been the way for any new tank line they introduce. The EBR 75 FL10 or whichever it was is probably the genesis of that. If you're lucky, Wargaming will sell you a vehicle that overstates the quality of the new tech tree, is equal to or better than the tier 9, and encourages you to waste your resources on the new line. That's if you're lucky, otherwise you have to gamble for it in loot boxes.
Yes, we all agree; Akizuki is purrrfect.
And those super floaty Japanese shells....
I disagree. The IJN CL line is a LOT of fun. Shimanto is one of my favorite ships in the game now. Yodo is a kite ship like most of the other IJN ships. I like New Mexico better than Colorado. I know that flies in the face of conventional wisdom but, I've never been conventional.
I'm pretty sure almost all players that have been around a while like NM better than Colorado, she was painful AF to use prior to all the buffs, now she's just slow but pretty good otherwise.
I find Shimanto to be just fine. Gokase however is a fantastic ship to me. I played 50+ games in each of the ships of this line, and apart of these two, I find the line to be pretty bad.
I was about to write a pretty detailed article on the line, and why it's a travesty from both a gameplay and historical perspective, but then they shut down the forum...
At least the ships don't break the game, so if some people like them, it's not all bad I suppose...
On the note of playing badly while still being high on the scoreboard...
It also matters how long you survived.
If you swallow a handful of random torps (you never were spotted) and get devstruck early in battle you will score on the bottom.
But if you survive until you are in the last 1/3 of your team (like that colorado) you will naturally score relatively high.
So the colorado should've been placed on the scoreboard at least 2 places higher, at least judging from how long he survived
the last good BP reward
Great video as always! I really enjoyed it (and I don't even play WOW). Is there a way to increase the mini-map size during the replay like in WOT? It would help me understand the battle quite a bit.
I think you just need to click on it or there should be a +/- button by it! 😊😎👍
I've actually played through Mogami using the 8" guns as soon as I could get them, because my captain was specced for the 8" guns and 155 mm guns without IFHE were pretty useless back then.
This was years ago, mind me.
I grinded to get the Yodo cause I think its the best looking cruiser ive ever seen. Its so much fun to.
Jeez, I had to do a double take on that Ryulo. That camo scheme they're running, I genuinely thought it was an outcrop of rocks. 🤣 Until he started lighting it up!
I don't need an replay of myself to notice my mistakes. I see them immediately.
That does however not mean that I can prevent doing them over and over again.
Four brothers, two cap circles sounds more fun.
Great video, thanks!
14:40 I shall take this as a sign that I'm at least okay at this game now seeing as when I'm not bottom tier and forced to dodge torpedos I rather like the New Mexico.
Cruisers.. Can't hide, can't run. can't fight
If that Undine had stayed at max range, he could've sunk the Carrier easily. The Carrier automatic anti-submarine warfare has limited range, which is ussually about 50-60% range of the submarines torpedoes. For example, Midway at T10 (USA) has an 8km range on it's automatic Anti-Submarine warfare planes, but submarines at T10 have between 12km (UK/USA) and 14km (Germany), so that's easily 4-6km range OUT of the what Jingles calls it "an auto-win against submarines" to spam sonar and torps from with 0 drawbacks.
*Undine has 10km range on torps, that Bearn has 6km range on anti-submarine flight. So the Undine was 4km too close to the Carrier.
well played in a lil glass cannpn. yes jingles you were picking on the colorado, he did ok, so the dog.... scored 200xp just to put things in perspective here. any1 nowadays with decent damage and a coupla kills that got 1000-1200xp did contribute to their team.
Mogami with 2x5 8'' Japanese guns was strong even before they gave it the trip 6's...I miss old wows.
I'm deeply concerned. We just saw a Two Brothers match and no one rushed the middle. Wait, Colorado at 11:00 minutes...
I gave up on this game and abandoned it two and a half years ago but I still like your videos.
Mogami's 10 sec reload is "blistering fast"?? how!!??
It's not fast compared to other light cruiser guns, but when you have 15 guns of them, well, you could probably see how Jingles could consider the reload fast for something that has that much guns on it.
Wait a sec, I remember regrinding the IJN old cruiser line like a year ago and remembering that the Mogami's guns couldn't penetrate much at high tiers. Is Jingles talking about the DPM of a Mogami with IFHE or is he wrong? I'm confused.
8" mogami loses almost 70k DPM compared to her stock turrets
@@drakeconsumerofsoulsandche4303 okay sure but do you use AP? It's been at least 4 patches but I remember the HE being anemic when it came to damaging superstructures
@@roys.1889 that is HE alpha. The difference in AP alpha is almost 100k in favor of the 155s
Mogami gets extra penetration for its HE compared to e.g. 152 mm-armed (non-German) light cruisers, since the extra 3 mm of its 155 mm guns make a difference (just like 460 vs 457 mm makes a difference for AP).
Does anyone remember when jingles channel was called the bohemian eagle?
this video made me realize how absolutely useless AA is. like there's a moment where the planes run through a gauntlet of like 4 or 5 ships. still get their attacks off... then there's the one where the new orleans used a consumable to fire extra aa and still did dick all to stop the planes. it's ridiculous.
I put the 8" guns on it. I prefer range which gives survivability to high-volume fire-power.
Both the 155mm and 203mm guns on Mogami have the exact same range...
Really, Jingles missed an opportunity to say of the Mogami that it "do[es]n't react well to bullets"? SAD!
I'm surprised this wasn't a game of throws.
Morning Gnome Overlord
Again - AA does not mean all planes are killed - not sure why this thought even exists. Didn't happen in real life and there is tons of defense against a CV and TONS are killed in games. In fact - all games I have played in the last 2 years - had at least one CV die and most time - all are destroyed.
it has existed since the CV rework. Cus that is how AA used to work. In RTS CV days their where ships that where untouchable to CVs, namely any ship with DEF AA, US BBs, CLs, so on and so forth.
Post CV rework, that "wave" attack system should never have been implimented, meanwhile the Russians get Attack waves similar to RTS cvs.
Excellent, it's breakfast time.
i was going to say shout out to the colorado player´s name but after seeing him play he surely named himself after the weed variety rather than the musician
"Not Completely Terrible" There's a ringing endorsement. Was 'almost doesn't suck' already taken?
Your list of light cruisers missed mine, the Iwaki Alpha.
He was talking about tech tree ships so he did not.
Jingles, do you have a replay involving the Gokase? There is some potential there if played properly imo . . .
I found that when you are in a 'Standard' U.S. BB you want to aim up the middle and hope your gun range lets you hit what is not yet tucked up against an Island to shield plunging fire. We knew as WWII kicked off that the new 'Fast BB's' were the new building blocks of the surface fleets. As for going down the middle in a BB on 'Two Brothers' You need Flambass with you to make it have a fair chance it will work or draw some back to cover the mouth of your end of that channel and hope, your team will see this and push accordingly. ( I said 'accordingly' ) WEEGEE did not add that to the algorithm so I added it to the list of things that just PUTMFO !!!.
I have this question for all of the 'Viewers', Who are we going to get to commentate Jingles battles so we get a full dialog with all the trimmings as Jingles gets to blush like a school girl when we hear a JWITMF was that ? LOL. ( I vote for the man, the myth, the legend ) ' MrGibbins '. so we get a full dose of sarcasm to fill in the gaps between the last description to the next one. What say you all ?.
👍😹 Akizuki approved! ❤
@MrGibbins indeed!!!
I still can’t forgive they changed the 140mm guns that this thing should have for pitiful 127
Do you pick videos based purely on how much you can complain about the featured ship(s) or what they are fighting?
Actually, tier X Yodo has 18 guns.
Actually enjoyable
It was years ago that I played the Mogami . I never understood why so many players said that the 203 mm guns were weaker. I had much better results with them, more hit damage and fire damage. I even whent back to the smaller guns to see if I missed anything.
It's the reload and the number of guns. The DPM is so much better, + if you take IFHE you get to pen 38mm, which is a somewhat relevant threshold.
@@AllAhabNoMoby Yes but I still did more damage with the 203 mm guns. At the time I kept a record of battles with both guns, and the 203 did more damage. Just keep in mind this was before IFHE was in the game.
At the time, Mogami was the only ship to feature 15 guns in its Light Cruiser configuration and Historical at that). And triple turrets look better to the eye.
That being said I also, curiously, felt more at ease with the 203s just because I played the Myoko for so long before going to T8.
It is and was way easier to do damage with the 203s because of the caliber and the way HE penetration works, vs what you usually face, but if you know how to use them (and enemies let you get away with it), the 155s win every time because they have so much more dpm.
@@ainumahtar That's with the IFHE skill ? My experience with Mogami was before that skill was in the game. Maybe I should try the Mogami with that skill 😃
Jingles Tokachi was the final premium reward for the first battle pass, I don’t believe you can buy it off the shop right now.
Interesting point at the end. I can apply that to my sport, rifle shooting. Was your shooting genuinely good or was it a fluke? So many times I thought I buggered up a shot and it turned out it was a bullseye. I mean its a bullseye, I'll take it. But that wasn't a good shot because I thought as soon as I pulled the trigger, i've f***ed it up. As soon as I was taught that way of thinking, my shooting improved. The good shots aren't necessarily good shots.
It's the ones that feel good that aren't good that really get you.
@@StarkRaven59 Yep, it goes both ways. 😅
I got flagged pink when got a dc due ISP and was back in the game in about a minute, still pink
The ships aren't "bad", just higher skill floor. Tho Def some bias here as a light cruiser main😉 o7
I would agree. They are not "gunboats" dispite the number of cannons they carry, they are torpedo cruisers, all of which can stealth torpedo.
Playing carriers with subs on the table i've never had luck with my auto depth charges cause they have a 4km range so they are effectively useless.
One thing to keep in mind about critical people is how critical they tend to be towards themselves (meaning a lot)!
I wonder which one had the most lukewarm response from the players: The Pan-Asian CLs or the IJN CLs?
At least the IJN CLs are actually Japanese. Sure, the top tier ones are fake, but at least they're not just reflagged American and Soviet cruiser designs with no alterations.
My one regret from last nights game was unknowingly charging at two subs
I am playing the Undine currently and the torps are terrible they only do like 2-3k damage per hit
The way to make tier 6 carriers less strong, is to add tier 7 carriers back in, and nerf the Ryujo.
Actually Jingles, that Colorado wasn't broadside to those two battleships at all, he remained bow on and started reversing to also use the islands as cover. While he should have stayed in the North to defend that cap point, that wasn't *that* bad of a play.
Hopefully the Colorado isn't watching the video what a dressing down. 😂
So was this an unreleased episode of ‘A game of throws’?
Learn? Are you mad?! This from the guy who spent an entire replay calling a New Orleans a Colorado ;)
Was that a rusty gate creaking or jingles laughing?
Thanks for the video. I know better than to hope Jingles will ever learn to pronounce foreignspeak, but on the off-chance:
Bearn is pronounced like bay arn
Undine is pronounced Oon (as in moon) DEE nay
Undine is British - so however it should properly be pronounced - the Brits will have called it un-DEEN or un-DINE
About the aircraft carrier on 3men2destroyer's team: it is pronounced like "bean" - just with an R after the A. So I tend to just call it bean.
So "beer" with an "n" tacked on the end? I guess we figured out what happened to the German aircraft carriers, the French stole them. 😁
Beern?
Hey Jingles, when are you going to do the Duty Eternal DLC for WH40k? I'm still sitting here waiting...
The T8 and T9 IJN light cruisers are fun to play.
They take s few matches to get used to, but I've had quite a few good games in them and enjoy their torps and fire arcs. They are fragile, but so are all light cruisers in the game. No, they don't shot fast, but if played to their strengths, they are good ships. Far from the best, but not "shit". I enjoy playing the Mino and Wooster so I know fragile ship play.