I never realized how much time Eunchae spent in the back during their original choreography. Dang 🥲 I’m pretty sure I’m not the only one who has taken notice of her a lot better this time. She’s shining. Her styling is great, too! Regardless of the issue, an odd-number lineup will always look cleaner because there’s a clear center every time. It must’ve been hard to suddenly change choreography in the middle of promotions but they all did so well ✨
In the original choreography, there is always that one member who would be like HIDDEN or at the back most often so not everyone is noticed. That's why I liked OT5 choreo more. Everyone is in their place and no one is left behind. I noticed they enjoyed the performance more with the 5 membered choreography. Luv it!
I like the first row members are not blocking second row members. And during Chaewon's part, four members are sitting symmetrically on left and right, not 3 and 2.
The 5 version looks much cleaner. Members aren't all over the place and behind eachother. Odd numbers are always better for a cleaner dance, and even is better for when you want the person in the middle to stand out more.
setting the issue aside, garam really had a strong stage presence suited for a girl crush concept despite having an angelic and innocent like visual plus the intro fairy did suit her but dang!!! MANCHAE/EUNCHAE IS SOOO GOOOD. Even her facial expression is on set. She did so well and no one was clearly left behind.
Actually ever since then when le sserafim is beginning their debut, i really get different vibe when it comes to garam, idk why but wk she is in intro part for fearless but my eyes will always go on other members. She must been hard, if its really true how come she was able to face the public... like do they think if what if someone exposed something from her past, what does that company planning to do? Or change?
Honestly, 5 seems to be the better combination. More diverse and intricate formation, more screentime for each member, where each and everyone gets a chance to shine.. and the team doesn't feel too crowded.
I was curious if the 5 actually looked cleaner or if it was just bias from the controversy so thank you for this comparison! 5 looks way better! The only move I like better from 6 is the members covering each other's eyes but otherwise 5>6 for sure
I love it when it’s 5, no one is left in the back and there are also no odd numbers. Like there’s either 3 on one side and 2 on the other while one is in the middle it just looks weird but, I like that it’s evened out when it’s just 5.
I’ve never been a fan of 6 member groups because 1 member is always covered by the formations they have to make. So being able to see everyone in 5 is so much more eye pleasing
Coming back to these comments after Garam left makes me realize that people are so stupid and there is no denying it. Sometimes I wish I was never born in this era of hypocricy and toxicity.
We actually can see how much Eunchae is underappreciated in the original choreography. That is so upsetting... But for now, I am very happy for seeing her shine 😍😘❤
5 looks much better than 6...in 6 either one of the members got hidden and everyone couldn't shine...but here the choreography looks so clean and perfect..ot5✨
I mean even though they debuted as 6, it must have a special place for them in the group as a whole but I think le sserafim is better off of as 5 for the reputation of the group.
Honestly, they're still very good as 5 members. Even with 6 members, you barely get to see some of the members. With 5 you can atleast see them all better now even if some barely get any lines.
Okay nice. This is really good, before the 5th version was just weird to me but now i can see all the changes and adjustments and i agree with i think the majority. Eunchae in the back fro 60% is just sad. She doesn't deserve that and it looks much more balanced with only 5. I think I like the 5th version more.
@@brownieruby4984 I never said it was necessary to take Garam out. I've stayed neutral on the whole Garam situation. But I do think the choreography for Le Serrafim ot5 is less messy and much more preferable than the ot6 one. The first line should've went to Eunchae in my opinion. Also notice how I said "shine more".. even during the short period Garam promoted with them I always thought Eunchae shined the most to me. Please don't try to make drama just because you're upset about Garam leaving, I send all my support and love to all 6 girls and hope they all have bright futures.
@@amukanomi Please, in your comment you are basically saying that it was great that Garam was out, Eunchae was already shining on its own, it's not about what you care about, it's about the facts, the choreo looks messier with 5, since it was originally with 6, in certain steps like the one that is 3 rows of 2, literally.
@@brownieruby4984 I never said anything about it "being great that Garam was out".. I said I was happy with the ot5 choreography. I get you want to start fights but please get the facts right. Your opinion is that ot5 choreography is messier, great! that's your opinion... Don't try to twist my words. ❤ have a good day and stan lesserafim.
I'm trying so hard to focus on Garam in OT6, but my eyes keeps shifting to Yunjin, Sakura and Kazuha. Garam really does add nothing to the group imo. Also, watching OT5 vs OT6, I'm glad the girl in the back is no longer in the back whenever there's a center, it just looks so off.
That was rude. And stupid in part, Garam added a great voice in it, that you start looking at the others is your problem, and now that it is shown that half of what the alleged victim said is false, you should apologize to the girl.
@@brownieruby4984 oh nooo, I'm rude ;( What the alleged victim and Garam did is their own problems, I don't care what happened in that scandal, I didn't even mention anything about it in my comment. I stated my opinion which is that in every group, there's someone who catches your attention and simply Garam did not catch my eyes. I tried to see what Garam can add to the group, but I ended up learning that the girl in the back is Hong Eunchae and she deserves more than 5 seconds in the song.
That's why I don't like even numbered formation for groups because the choreo are always n-1 members and one backup dancer behind and this video just proved it since theres no difference of formation for most parts
people say eunchae shines more now thats bec she got garams line after garam was gone, garam got lines because she was a great singer that the voice suits the song, so people should stop hating her when all she did was being center because she was talented
I hate to say it. They look happier and like they’re enjoying themselves as a 5 member group. They were already pleasing to the eye and I was an instant Stan. But I have to say. They look better as a 5 member group. Probably because they also look so happy. Coincidence?
Obviously they're going to look like this, it's their job to do so no matter what, and they couldn't help Garam either, even if they wanted to, don't trust what you see.
I assumed it’s cos they must have been stressed out due to the Garam controversy hanging in the air. Even if she’s innocent (and I genuinely believe she is), netizens already believe she’s guilty w/o even looking into the details and many have already threaten to boycott the group if she remains. Given the circumstances there was the chance the group would have been forced to disband. Now they can all concentrate on just doing the best they can whether they have sympathy for Garam or not.
garam deserves to reach her dream , she doesnt deserve what happen to her,atleast she was loved by her team mates and debuting her even after all the alegations that were never true in the end
Well, Seventeen has 13members but that isn't an issue. If people are so critical about it, then 5members+1whole group= six so it will still fit their group name
It's both the same but I think it was better when garam was there ik she was a bully I'm not saying she deserves to be in the group but she wasn't a bully in the group she doesn't deserve all this hate and she doesn't deserve to be in the group ik she was a bully but we are bullying her more and she was most of the time happy and I really liked it when she was in the group but I don't want her to be in it I want her to be in it but I also don't want her to be in it
Odd number of members is always cleaner, even numbers makes it easier to do more abstract formations and lines. I don’t think hybe is the best with odd number members XD. For example look at Stray kids, one of the few groups to DOMINATE the even number choreos, dance racha has their shit together and they are choreographing masterpieces that don’t look sloppy and they tend to find ways to not hide their members
not against anyone but 5 members looks cleaner all the members are shining and not covering untentionally the other members , 6 is just overwhelming or unbalanced eunchae always seems to be in the back i prefer her where shes noticeable IVE is a 6 member group but everything seems balanced
I'm gonna be honest first of all I like it that eunchae is more in the front and second of all its like garam wasn't singing for me because she does not even sang that much so yea
I'm sorry but I think the group should have debuted with a 4th lineup Would go to the squad Sakura, Chaewon, Yunjin, Kazuha I just think their age is not so great between each other and the concept suits them Since in the group everyone would be perfect and a little adult I think the four of them would be good friends and get along And they would all be comfortable and cozy I have nothing against Eunchae But I think she should have debuted in a group where her peers would be For example, the future new girl group from Ador and Hybe Or she could participate in the i-land 2 Or she could debut a little later when she gets older But I'm glad that Eunchae has a little more parts and I'm happy for her She is very cute and so radiant This is just my opinion
I personally prefer the 6 members because when they dancing with 5 members its look awkward for me. But Eunchae is totally shining when she sang chorus Garam part.
Even tho the evidences seems true, we should be carefull, Garam is minor tho i don't tolerate bullying but I still think that she deserve a second chance. If hybe will stop protecting her and she apologize to the real victim then that's ok, and if people demand her to leave then it's the people decision so should respect it. People are too much already, what if Garam will get depressed then decide to commit suic*de. You guys should stopped doing the same thing she did because it won't make everything better, we don't know her pov yet its okay to judge but not too much to the point that you all, death treathen her. What if she's really sorry for what she did? What if she wants to apologize but the company doesn't want her to do it?? I hope the Victim's and the supposedly "bully" is mentally fine. We should think what we're saying.
Garam is not a bully she just defended her friend from the real bully, she doesn’t need to apologize. I seriously worry with all the online bullying of Garam going on she might actually take her own life….I won’t be surprised if the alleged “victim” is the one still feeding the frenzy
Eu não, literalmente com 5 os passos mudam e fica bagunçado, o mal foi feito por a galera que odiava a Garam quando achavam que ela fazia Bullying, mas bem, ainda estamos esperando eles se desculparem.
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I never realized how much time Eunchae spent in the back during their original choreography. Dang 🥲 I’m pretty sure I’m not the only one who has taken notice of her a lot better this time. She’s shining. Her styling is great, too! Regardless of the issue, an odd-number lineup will always look cleaner because there’s a clear center every time. It must’ve been hard to suddenly change choreography in the middle of promotions but they all did so well ✨
Agreed. And she nailed that second chorus choreo, especially her "I'm fearless" delivery. It's just perfect. 👌
Yep only having 4.9 seconds line on the original song.
Her presence is just that not that will significant, thats why she doesnt get attention that much to people. She is average.
In the original choreography, there is always that one member who would be like HIDDEN or at the back most often so not everyone is noticed. That's why I liked OT5 choreo more. Everyone is in their place and no one is left behind. I noticed they enjoyed the performance more with the 5 membered choreography. Luv it!
I mean in ot5 choreo Garam is left behind
@@mopeacho nooo 💀😭
@@mopeacho BYEEE
I like the first row members are not blocking second row members. And during Chaewon's part, four members are sitting symmetrically on left and right, not 3 and 2.
yep
eunchae shines better now. you can barely see her when they were six. she's always at the back
It’s not garam’s fault though
She’s still a minor and this mv is a more mature concept
@@Secretlifeofnanaa So was garam
The 5 version looks much cleaner. Members aren't all over the place and behind eachother.
Odd numbers are always better for a cleaner dance, and even is better for when you want the person in the middle to stand out more.
2:08 ngl im going to miss this part of the choreo which had 6 members.
I prefer 6 members
setting the issue aside, garam really had a strong stage presence suited for a girl crush concept despite having an angelic and innocent like visual plus the intro fairy did suit her but dang!!! MANCHAE/EUNCHAE IS SOOO GOOOD. Even her facial expression is on set. She did so well and no one was clearly left behind.
5 members look more symmetrical, and eunchae can be better seen.
0:41 wtf js the cameraman doing
highlighting the details of the dance? isnt that their job?
Actually ever since then when le sserafim is beginning their debut, i really get different vibe when it comes to garam, idk why but wk she is in intro part for fearless but my eyes will always go on other members. She must been hard, if its really true how come she was able to face the public... like do they think if what if someone exposed something from her past, what does that company planning to do? Or change?
Honestly, 5 seems to be the better combination. More diverse and intricate formation, more screentime for each member, where each and everyone gets a chance to shine.. and the team doesn't feel too crowded.
I was curious if the 5 actually looked cleaner or if it was just bias from the controversy so thank you for this comparison! 5 looks way better! The only move I like better from 6 is the members covering each other's eyes but otherwise 5>6 for sure
very good
I love it when it’s 5, no one is left in the back and there are also no odd numbers. Like there’s either 3 on one side and 2 on the other while one is in the middle it just looks weird but, I like that it’s evened out when it’s just 5.
I didn't realize how hidden Eunchae was until now. I'm really happy she can be up front more for the time they are ot5.
i prefer it with garam... but i understand why she needed to be in this hiatus
same:)
Yah 5 member is better bcs garam deserves a better company and BETTER fans
5 members are so much better! No one is left behind 🤍🤍
I’ve never been a fan of 6 member groups because 1 member is always covered by the formations they have to make. So being able to see everyone in 5 is so much more eye pleasing
same even number of groups are bad because theres always one member hidden in the back.
the choreo was built for a 5 person group , love that my baby eunchae got more time in the center
Ot6 💗
This is what we needed!
this is why group choreography with an uneven number is so much better. you can actually see each member and the symmetry is so much better
Coming back to these comments after Garam left makes me realize that people are so stupid and there is no denying it. Sometimes I wish I was never born in this era of hypocricy and toxicity.
Oh, you were bOrn iN thE wRonG gEnEraTioN? What a hot take! What a bold opinion that no one's ever had before! You are so interesting!
odd numbers always look better in choreo a lot cleaner and members aren't hidden in the back, also eunchae shines more and has more parts
We actually can see how much Eunchae is underappreciated in the original choreography. That is so upsetting...
But for now, I am very happy for seeing her shine 😍😘❤
5 looks much better than 6...in 6 either one of the members got hidden and everyone couldn't shine...but here the choreography looks so clean and perfect..ot5✨
Eunchae >>>>>> Garam
Ot6 in my opinion
in the nicest way possible the choreo looks cleaner and no member is left hiding behind another to make specific formations
I don’t know if it’s only me but the 5 member version makes me so mad I can’t even look at it
no hate but 5 members were way more better, bcs everybody gets to shine ;))
its honestly sm better with 5 members
I like how you can see everybody clearly in OT5 it’s less distracting trying to look for a member and to me is seems more clean and not as rushed
they absolutely NEED to pull a skz and re record the whole fearless album as ot5
no.never.
Maybe we'll have LESSERAFIM2023 if they ended up doing that in the future 😂
@@murpbe9086 LMAOO THIS IS ACTUALLY FUNNY
I miss garam.. but great for the other girls they have a better presence choreo
I mean even though they debuted as 6, it must have a special place for them in the group as a whole but I think le sserafim is better off of as 5 for the reputation of the group.
we r looking forward to seeing your comeback
this choreo just feels like it was made for a 5 member group , everything looks and flows so much better
Honestly, they're still very good as 5 members. Even with 6 members, you barely get to see some of the members. With 5 you can atleast see them all better now even if some barely get any lines.
hmmm seems like 5 is the way to go!
i miss her
Not to throw shade, but I'm enjoying the choreo more with Eunchae center.
I am just ot6 Garam is my bias wiecker
Okay nice. This is really good, before the 5th version was just weird to me but now i can see all the changes and adjustments and i agree with i think the majority. Eunchae in the back fro 60% is just sad. She doesn't deserve that and it looks much more balanced with only 5. I think I like the 5th version more.
Eunchae should've got Garam's first line :((
I'm really happy with the 5 member choreography!! Everyone looks so good, Eunchae gets to shine more
Yeah,,,i think they have the same vocal tone,,,,, garam lines into eunchae lines,,,then eunchae's previous lines will be divided to other members
It was not necessary to take Garam out to make Enchae shine, if so then you are saying that Garam overshadowed her.
@@brownieruby4984 I never said it was necessary to take Garam out. I've stayed neutral on the whole Garam situation. But I do think the choreography for Le Serrafim ot5 is less messy and much more preferable than the ot6 one. The first line should've went to Eunchae in my opinion. Also notice how I said "shine more".. even during the short period Garam promoted with them I always thought Eunchae shined the most to me. Please don't try to make drama just because you're upset about Garam leaving, I send all my support and love to all 6 girls and hope they all have bright futures.
@@amukanomi Please, in your comment you are basically saying that it was great that Garam was out, Eunchae was already shining on its own, it's not about what you care about, it's about the facts, the choreo looks messier with 5, since it was originally with 6, in certain steps like the one that is 3 rows of 2, literally.
@@brownieruby4984 I never said anything about it "being great that Garam was out".. I said I was happy with the ot5 choreography. I get you want to start fights but please get the facts right. Your opinion is that ot5 choreography is messier, great! that's your opinion... Don't try to twist my words. ❤ have a good day and stan lesserafim.
ot6 Look your best. Everyone is there. Ready to go through obstacles together until we debut ❣️❣️
tbu 5 feels more lonley.
They are better wuth 6 members✔ not 5✖.
it's ironic, everyone is saying "OT5 choreo it's better" but when soojin leave nobody said nothing jeez
Because they prefer to throw themselves on others instead of waiting for things to clear up.
cuz we want her back
I have tO say those 5 members killed The stage Like nothing happened tO them
5 members look better
I'm trying so hard to focus on Garam in OT6, but my eyes keeps shifting to Yunjin, Sakura and Kazuha. Garam really does add nothing to the group imo. Also, watching OT5 vs OT6, I'm glad the girl in the back is no longer in the back whenever there's a center, it just looks so off.
That was rude. And stupid in part, Garam added a great voice in it, that you start looking at the others is your problem, and now that it is shown that half of what the alleged victim said is false, you should apologize to the girl.
@@brownieruby4984 oh nooo, I'm rude ;( What the alleged victim and Garam did is their own problems, I don't care what happened in that scandal, I didn't even mention anything about it in my comment. I stated my opinion which is that in every group, there's someone who catches your attention and simply Garam did not catch my eyes. I tried to see what Garam can add to the group, but I ended up learning that the girl in the back is Hong Eunchae and she deserves more than 5 seconds in the song.
@@Mickyr3mix cringe
@@brownieruby4984 girl same.
Not being a full on le sserafim stan, I can say that i think the five member choreo actually looks better. Really
miss u garam sm 😭😭😭💙🫂
5 members looks 'messy'? 6 members the choreography looks clean
But still i don't hate garam
She's only have 16 year's old 🥺
Now I really do believe that the 5 members choreography is actually the original one :))) which also makes more sense with all the Garam drama.
That's why I don't like even numbered formation for groups because the choreo are always n-1 members and one backup dancer behind and this video just proved it since theres no difference of formation for most parts
Oohhh the management of le sserafim knew how to fix the choreography, they're ready if garam.... you know 😆
people say eunchae shines more now thats bec she got garams line after garam was gone, garam got lines because she was a great singer that the voice suits the song, so people should stop hating her when all she did was being center because she was talented
I still cant find the difference camera so fast i dont know who left 🤣🤣 they look the same wtf!
I think it looks better with 6. With or without Garam. It looks better with 6
I feel bad for everyone who's glad she's out.
I hate to say it. They look happier and like they’re enjoying themselves as a 5 member group. They were already pleasing to the eye and I was an instant Stan. But I have to say. They look better as a 5 member group. Probably because they also look so happy. Coincidence?
Obviously they're going to look like this, it's their job to do so no matter what, and they couldn't help Garam either, even if they wanted to, don't trust what you see.
I assumed it’s cos they must have been stressed out due to the Garam controversy hanging in the air. Even if she’s innocent (and I genuinely believe she is), netizens already believe she’s guilty w/o even looking into the details and many have already threaten to boycott the group if she remains. Given the circumstances there was the chance the group would have been forced to disband. Now they can all concentrate on just doing the best they can whether they have sympathy for Garam or not.
it honestly works way better with 5 people but i feel bad for garam
You just have to see the bad vocal difference of yujin and garam's is nice
garam deserves to reach her dream , she doesnt deserve what happen to her,atleast she was loved by her team mates and debuting her even after all the alegations that were never true in the end
OT6
Seraphim - 6 winged angel
Their name will no longer match
their count 😅😂
Well, Seventeen has 13members but that isn't an issue. If people are so critical about it, then 5members+1whole group= six so it will still fit their group name
6
From a choreo perspective… Odd number of members look even. Even number of members look odd.
5 !!
A mí de 6
honestly with 6 members the formation sometimes looks messy, as we can see here 0:16, it looks way better with an odd number group.
Where's garam?
It's both the same but I think it was better when garam was there ik she was a bully I'm not saying she deserves to be in the group but she wasn't a bully in the group she doesn't deserve all this hate and she doesn't deserve to be in the group ik she was a bully but we are bullying her more and she was most of the time happy and I really liked it when she was in the group but I don't want her to be in it I want her to be in it but I also don't want her to be in it
Odd number of members is always cleaner, even numbers makes it easier to do more abstract formations and lines. I don’t think hybe is the best with odd number members XD. For example look at Stray kids, one of the few groups to DOMINATE the even number choreos, dance racha has their shit together and they are choreographing masterpieces that don’t look sloppy and they tend to find ways to not hide their members
not against anyone but 5 members looks cleaner all the members are shining and not covering untentionally the other members , 6 is just overwhelming or unbalanced
eunchae always seems to be in the back i prefer her where shes noticeable
IVE is a 6 member group but everything seems balanced
we miss u Garam
I'm gonna be honest first of all I like it that eunchae is more in the front and second of all its like garam wasn't singing for me because she does not even sang that much so yea
Why garam leaves the group?😐
Garam's lines who pass from?
I'm sorry but I think the group should have debuted with a 4th lineup
Would go to the squad Sakura, Chaewon, Yunjin, Kazuha
I just think their age is not so great between each other and the concept suits them
Since in the group everyone would be perfect and a little adult
I think the four of them would be good friends and get along
And they would all be comfortable and cozy
I have nothing against Eunchae
But I think she should have debuted in a group where her peers would be
For example, the future new girl group from Ador and Hybe
Or she could participate in the i-land 2
Or she could debut a little later when she gets older
But I'm glad that Eunchae has a little more parts and I'm happy for her
She is very cute and so radiant
This is just my opinion
eunchae center W 5 five member choreo
I personally prefer the 6 members because when they dancing with 5 members its look awkward for me. But Eunchae is totally shining when she sang chorus Garam part.
They are 5 members group from now on ?
they look happier 😭😭😭
I don’t know but ot6❤️🩹
i think they are better when they're ONLY 5. *no disrespect to Garam*
But who miss Garam bro 😂😂
Around 2:10 Kazuha has to remember what to do with her hands without Garam 😣
6 members :(..
I still can't recognize between Eunchae and Kazuha and even Garam.. These 3 look the same to me. I'm glad I only need to remember 2 faces now.
Even tho the evidences seems true, we should be carefull, Garam is minor tho i don't tolerate bullying but I still think that she deserve a second chance. If hybe will stop protecting her and she apologize to the real victim then that's ok, and if people demand her to leave then it's the people decision so should respect it. People are too much already, what if Garam will get depressed then decide to commit suic*de. You guys should stopped doing the same thing she did because it won't make everything better, we don't know her pov yet its okay to judge but not too much to the point that you all, death treathen her. What if she's really sorry for what she did? What if she wants to apologize but the company doesn't want her to do it?? I hope the Victim's and the supposedly "bully" is mentally fine. We should think what we're saying.
Garam is not a bully she just defended her friend from the real bully, she doesn’t need to apologize. I seriously worry with all the online bullying of Garam going on she might actually take her own life….I won’t be surprised if the alleged “victim” is the one still feeding the frenzy
Prefiro com as 5 membros, 6 estavam sobrando e fazendo mal a todos os envolvidos.
Eu não, literalmente com 5 os passos mudam e fica bagunçado, o mal foi feito por a galera que odiava a Garam quando achavam que ela fazia Bullying, mas bem, ainda estamos esperando eles se desculparem.
If the company insists on having 6 members, getting Chaeyeon in this group would raise them to an amazing level
Com 5 membros ta melhor
Ot5 is better
Shut
@@fearnot_jeans I'm typing, not talking
@@ddwanp shut your phone
@@fearnot_jeans phone speak?
@@ddwanp why do you ask stupid question ?
6 is better than 5. Kazuha, Yunjin and Garam presence is what make their group diverse and unique compare to other gg's
Garam doesn't do shit, she is below average and boring