I didn't find Cassian and Melshi being helped by the locals particularly contrived at all. The show (repeatedly) established that the Empire doesn't particularly care much for indigenous peoples. It makes sense that any locals they encountered would harbor anti-Imperial sentiment.
I would imagine Empire escapee convincts would put quite the bounty on their heads. I would still imagine there are people out there who would still do anything for a bounty, despite hating the Empire. Although, I will agree that it is less contrived than I originally thought.
@@introvertedrobot They do explore the idea of collaboration with Imperial authorities with Nurchi on Ferrix. But that has the added setup of Cassian having had a strained relationship with him due to their prior debts.
@@introvertedrobot that type of character exists in people like Skeen and Nurchi. Also, antagonists aren't always evil, but Syril is. He didn't get dragged into anything. He's a fascist. As you said, he wants to eliminate chaos (aka disorder) at any cost. He's ideologically aligned with the empire. Mosk, on the other hand, fell into simply seeking approval and came to realize at the end that he was on the wrong side of history.
@@Girder3 There was also the guy who was a rebel, but was planning on betraying his team anyway. And only planned to cut Cassian in, because he thought of him as an equal to him. The thing is that people do things for the right price. So no matter what opposing force they’re on, there will always be people out there who will sell others out. Hence it being a bit contrived that they were good people.
The monologues! The characters! The acting! The sets! The amazing visuals! There is so much to love about this series and I'm happy to see others loving it too!
@@introvertedrobot I think it also hints at how Rogue One could have been even better if Tony had been at the helm from the start and we'd gotten more time with all of its characters. As much as I enjoyed it as it is, there was a lot of potential it left unrealized.
You have to realize that the "mining disaster" backstory is the excuse used to cover up genocides that the Empire carries out. Jedah was called a "mining disaster" in Rogue One, so I think you're suppose to make that connection and the reason why there are only kids alive on Kenari. As far as Kino's fate goes, Cassian doesn't know for sure how many could have made it. There were people swimming in every direction. My hopes are that Kino shows up as a Rebel ground commander. I love this show. The story, the characters, the dialog, the pacing, the production and the music were all incredibly crafted to give us this awesome series. I don't get why people think that Syril and Mosk swapped hats because it would make the recognize each other. There's nothing that indicates that. Mosk offered his hat because Syril probably liked it more when they were picking out their "under cover clothes". We know Syril is pretty picky about his fashion and that's just something that Mosk knows about him by now, so to keep his buddy happy he gives him the hat he wanted in the first place and Syril is happy. To me Syril is the comedic part of Andor as a character. He's trying to hard to be a tough guy , bad ass... I find it funny.
I think the mining disaster was from the republic not the empire the scene took part during the clone wars and the ship that crashed I believe were republic soldiers trying to frame the separatists
I saw the colors explained and it had to do with the colors on the hats of the corporate uniforms, with orange being a color for officers, so Mosk gives him his orange hat as a sign of respect! Details! Easter eggs! So much to love.
@@TroySchoonover I still don't think the hat switch did anything for respect of rank. If it did, Mosk would have just let him have it to begin with. It's still more of a buddy thing, IMO.
Andor has not only expanded the star wars universe, its deepened it. You feel as if you're a part of the day to day grind of the average person. Its an overall excellent production.
Luthen as an anti-palpatine is an interesting observation. Both have secret identities, both see people as instruments to be deployed in service to their goals, I'm sure the parallels go on. ... and there is subtle yet profound irony when Luthen says "I'm doomed to use the tools of my enemy to defeat them" ... to a man who is literally a tool of his enemy that Luthen is using to defeat them. Delicious.
Also on the note of Luthen, I think the final episode showed him the "sunrise [he] knows [he]'ll never see." He saw Ferrix, a bunch of nobodies minding their own business, rise up against the Empire's injustices to honor Maarva and to protect Cassian.
He also explicitly said that they should help each other - and I dunno about you, but I think those who could swim would help those who couldn't as best as they could. Keno lives, is my headcanon.
The attempt to steal the ship and getting caught serves a really important purpose though. They JUST had the intense escape from the empire, so instead of retreading that, this scene puts them back into the world of common folk. The purpose of this scene is to interrupt the usual trope of it being "them against the galaxy". Getting immediately caught shows how they're still at the mercy of the galaxy. They are not superheroes or magical protagonists who can succeed vs. the galaxy. Cassian's friend seems to believe this and we see this belief immediately crashing into the reality of the show's universe. Being helped instead of turned in (despite the knowledge of reward) shows how sometimes the galaxy can be a generous place. This is super a super important separation between the empire and the people of the galaxy itself. This scene serves to separate those two, a very important theme of the show.
I do agree that this scene was needed, and helps with a different change of pace. Instead of it being everyone vs an opposing force. I just think it could’ve been written a bit better. I do think it is less contrived than I originally had thought, but it’s still contrived. Because of them bum rushing the ship, it’s lucky they didn’t get caught. Them turning out to oppose the empire, feels a bit contrived.
@@introvertedrobot The empire is pretty implicitly super xenophobic. There are no aliens who work in the empire. Why would two aliens who fish on a planet that has had its ecosystem ruined by the empire setting prisons up there be pro empire? Just because we don't see an episode long backstory into those two guys doesn't mean their decision to help is contrived
This showed the life under the empire and (IMO) how intimidating tie fighters and troopers can be. (even better than the original films) That's my takeaway from Andor. Even rogue one got a view into the infighting of the rebellion, and that made it more real and believable. (and interesting)
For your point on mining incidents. Thats a cover. A mining incident did not actually happen the empire just seys that. They said that for both scarif and Andorran after all. When someone says mining incident in Star Wars something REALLY REALLY bad just happened.
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For the opening (the first one at least) I thought it was symbolizing him starting as nobody, realizing who he killed which is why the opening grows to be so powerful it’s this security company that will now be looming over him, and watching his movements. (And eventually the empire)
Upon rewatch there are so many details that I missed upon first viewing that were more apparent on second viewing! It’s an incredible show, and I’d go as far to say it’s one of my favourite shows I’ve seen.
I may have missed it, but it seems you did not speak about Mon Mothma at all. I found her plot line very interesting, the politics and financing of the early rebellion. First time I saw her out side the initial trilogy was on the X Wing and Tie Fighter games of the early 90s. Like she meeting an Imperial Admiral defector who is willing to work for the Alliance but for a price
@@introvertedrobot Well, it happens. I thought you hadn´t liken her plotline or acting. It just shows there are so many interesting things and characters in this show that you ended up forgetting about Mon Mothma! lol
This is a great review. I can see that Disney finally gave creative freedom to some talented folks. I watch Stars Wars movies very casually. But I am tired of the storylines of fighting the empire again and again, by a bunch of underdog rebels. Especially given that these movies and series realeases, are now spanning over 50 years, it’s hard to get invested in this series with the same story arc of fighting the empire. Because of your review I might give Andor a try.
This show isn't really "underdogs fighting the empire" like Star Wars Rebels, it's a few people trying to kickstart the rebellion by all means necessary and the public slowly starting to realize the brutal, oppressive tyranny of the empire and rising up. It's about the birth of the rebellion, not the continuation of it.
Yeah they wrapped up something that was great and gave us…. Rebels and the rest of the bullshit Disney released. Don’t credit them for anything clone wars based
I’m gonna wait for season 2 before fully coming to the conclusion but i am super confident that Andor is the best piece of SW material ever made (yes even better then the OG trilogy)
@@introvertedrobot massive thanks need to be in order for Tony Gilroy. Before he started making this project officially KK had pitched this show as just Andor & K2SO misadventures… which sounded so repetitive and boring same old formula we have been getting. Tony Gilroy really had a passion to make the show the way it was made and i am very thankful for that. He will deliver in season 2 i think. That story makes me glad That KK is on her way out after Indy 5 ngl.
Kino Loy. Listen closely to this sailor. Your pants are a flotation device. tie up the leg ends. Scoop air as you jump. hold the air-filled legs under your armpits. when the begin to deflate? kick up, scoop air, continue on.
I really like that the whole "Long Lost Sister" is just a MacGuffin. Yeah no his sister's long dead, slaughtered by the Republic/Empire. But him trying to find her brought him into conflict with the mall cops, with brought Pre-Mor down on him and Ferrix, then he had to flee, and etc, etc.
Thank you for this review of Andor. Well done. I liked how you broke it down into sections too. The only slight disagreement I might have is about the lack of hope for Kino Loy to escape. I think we all need to hope he makes it out and survives. We may doubt that it's likely. But we still hope. After all, Han Solo said, "Never tell me the odds." You mentioned the electrified floor, but don't forget how long it will take to power up the prison again after they took it offline. Doesn't that at least increase his meager chances a smidgeon? Maybe by then, he could learn to swim or figure something else out. He's no dummy.
I completely removed Star Wars from my life a few years ago. It just became a chore and a drain on my emotions. But I kept hearing about Andor being decent. So I gave it a go with my expectations under my feet. I was blown away. Just everything I always wanted from SW since I grew up a little bit. Amazing show.
It's so frustrating to me that after the endless complaints from fans about TBOBF and Kenobi, those same fans didn't show up to support the (live-action) Star Wars show that was _actually good_
Watching Rouge One first provides some context as many are confused about why Star Wars did a story on Andor, not to be confused with Endor. Regardless, Andor is amazingly well done.
i watched andor w/o seeing rouge one and it didn´t confuse me at all. Now i wanna see rouge one - i can´t believe i give a damn about star wars again this show was fantastic
Interesting how you can talk about Luthen but not one word about Mon Motha, the only legacy Star Wars character that was well fleshed out and not treated like an Easter egg.
I don’t have anything against Mon Motha, in fact, I think she’s amazing. The only reason she is not mentioned here is because I idiotically forgot to write about her until another commenter pointed it out. I genuinely am very sorry.
Great review. The only problem I had with the show is that Cassian Andor is not as interesting as a lot of the side characters,, but still the best show on Disney+. I love how every characters feels as if they are on their own journey. Cyril is trying to gain power, Luthen is trying to grow his rebellion, and the republican woman (I think her name is Mon Motha) is trying to also put an end to the empire.
You're getting close to my theory about Luthen. I think he is a force user who escaped 66, and his grief/anger/vengeance is ironically driving him to the dark side. I have a lot more specific theories about his origins, but that's the quick version of it.
The last thing I want Luthen to be is a Force user. It makes it so much more interesting to have him be a normal person. Let the Jedi and Sith be the figures of legend who all the stories are about; but have the one who set their stage be a simple man fighting from the dark with nothing but his wits and his determination.
I support Andor and Mando equally. Mando is the only vehicle that is capable of being used to either retcon the Sequelogy or have it placed in another part of a Star Wars multiverse to render the Sequels out of sight, out of mind. Andor, as good as it is, is specifically a Prequel to the excellent Rogue One, which is a direct Prequel to A New Hope.
Star wars is deeply political. It's in the name. It was great to see a show find a way to be political, in a way that's universal. One every person can get no matter their real world politics
Indeed, instead of one side being offended, this show has a way of appeasing both sides, and still being a very enjoyable show! Not that being political is bad, but doing it in such a way where no side is offended, and they can enjoy the show is an impressive feat.
Star Wars in the first three movies is a black and white Space Opera. We have the white hat good guys, the black hat bad guys and some grey in between like Han Solo that joins the good side. They are a like the space opera King Arthur and the knights of the round table. It is simple and easy, the story is told after three films.
@@TorianTammas the original was modeled off of vietnam, with the rebels representing the vietcong and the empire representing the US. It has always been political.
To which I'm fucking surprised when I found out that Star Wars: Ahsoka is trash, even after Andor having demonstrated its stellar quality in which the franchise could achieve.
Your criticism of Andor not making an effort to hide his identity or change his appearance during the first arc is undeserved. Remember, he believes the Empire is lazy and doesn't care, so why should he get paranoid? Also, the scene and Andor and the other prisoner "bumrush" for the ship and get caught. You called it contrived, but I honestly think its the best fit. How else do you write a scene that explains how they get to Morlana V while the entire planet is on high alert for escaped prisoners? A couple of local fisherman who have a grudge against the empire for spoiling the waters seems like a natural fit. Anything else would have taken up too much time on screen.
I rather liked The Mandolorian. The episodic western format was fitting for what it was and, though it wasn’t especially challenging or dramatically epic, not every tv show needs to blow your hair back. Having said that, it was the least flawed of the deeply flawed offerings that Disney has been shitting out since their feminist Mary Sue coup over the material has so badly marred the Star Wars legacy. Andor seems worlds apart. Up there with shows like The Wire, Breaking Bad or I Claudius - not for any ground breaking new approaches to tv drama, like those examples - but simply for sheer quality of writing, respect for the material and commitment to production values that got us a perfect storm of actors, capable of delivering great lines with the weight and meaning they deserved, technical achievements like the direction and production of which you spoke so eloquently, and just their apparent commitment to telling a story of value (and values) that wasn’t pandering to any agendas (right or left) or feeling the need to please, or represent any special demographic. Just good story telling.
Luthen goes to all this trouble to set up a heist and he is pulling strings with Mon Mothma and Saw to get the rebellion up and going ... then the workers on Ferrix turn up and give the imperials a black eye more or less spontaneously, needing none of the resources Luthen has been assembling ... I wonder if he will comment on that at all in season 2?
Do remember that Maarva was only inspired to the cause by the Aldhani heist. Sure, she never saw a single one of those credits or had any direct influence from Luthen or the other big players, but their actions did ultimately bring about the uprising on Rix Road, even if unintentionally and indirectly. I think Luthen's big take away from being present to it was seeing the grim reality of what rebellion actually looks like, the fruition of all of his plans finally being witnessed by it's progenitor. Stellan does an excellent job portraying the subtle shock and desolation on his face looking down at the massacre after he is able to get out.
My guess for Kino is that he will show up again in season 2, only this time he is captured and possibly tortured or possibly publicly executed which could be a very emotional scene. Who knows, maybe he will even give one last speech to the galaxy before he goes. Maybe they are going down the route where he just doesn't come back and his fate is left to the viewer's imagination.
I’m not disagreeing on all topics in this video but my dislike 👎 is to state respectfully as a feedback to the creator of this channel. This is one of many awesome reviews of Andor but to discuss that his opinion in this video was a bit misaligned on his semi-understandable views on him making absolute assumptions i.e. like that Kino dies or to telling the story without spoilers to those that haven’t watched the story… but mostly I can say I like 60% of the content creator’s script overall…
I hope my comment was helpful to the channel creator of achieving a balanced and healthy writing style that has much creative writing potential while refraining the use of a colorful vocabulary and embracing a respectful language for all to enjoy 👍🏾 thank you to the both of you and sky’s efforts
I appreciate the feedback greatly, however, if you could be a bit more detailed into what you didn’t like, that would be great. Since you describe some stuff that was misaligned, but I don’t know what that stuff is. Thank you for the feedback nonetheless!
A true shame it's too little too late. I'm a filmmaker today because TOT inspired me to do so, but right now, you can't even pay me to waste my time on Disney anything honestly. Until such a time that a full recon of the sequel trilogy and KK being a ghost in the halls of lucasfilm, I'm out.
I 100% agree that Andor’s welcoming of fans new and old is the way it should be. My only gripe was how dry the show was in terms of action, and while I understand the not focusing on Jedi, I did feel like they went out of their way to completely ignore and avoid the Jedi and the Emperor and Darth Vader unnecessarily. I think seeing a more grounded Jedi, a more grounded Vader, a more grounded Emperor on top of a climactic battle or two each season would elevate Star Wars to a new height previously unseen. Unfortunately they squandered that entirely and we essentially got a slow paced, dry prison break series. Now don’t get me wrong, for being dry it was still great dialogue, plot, character design and development, beautiful set pieces and all that. It did everything that it did 100% right. But calling this perfect is like saying your juice is 100% juice when that cup of juice is really made up of 75% water and only 25% juice and that is how Andor felt to me. Sure, the portion that is real juice is in fact 100% real juice and that is delicious, but it is diluted in a pool of water and that makes it a bit flavorless and bland and left me wanting, so hopefully they put a bit more of the “War and Lore” back into the series in season 2, while still keeping it accessible. There is absolutely no reason you can’t bring in fan favorite characters from all across the series and write them in an accessible way. The only reason they couldn’t do that is either 1 - they’re not that great of writers and the show is overhyped, which definitely couldn’t possibly ever be the case, RIGHT? Or 2 - they’re lazy and neglect it, or 3 - they refuse to do it because they think “pure” Star Wars is above all those “kid” things like Jedi, action, heroics, and humor. Just saying, it’s great but it’s missing a bit of that flavor. To truly propel Star Wars to the next level, they need to reconcile with new and old fans as well as new and old themes, characters, lore, powers, Jedi, etc. Still though, I am excited to see what’s next. Hopefully series like Acolyte and Ahsoka are done in similar fashion.
Hard disagree. Star Wars is not about the jedi. sure, a lot happens around them, but not everything is about them. The show is nearly perfect because it goes to the roots of star wars of fighting a fascist regime. They took that, and the asked the question, how does someone become radicalized against fascism? Every person is somewhere along that kind of spectrum in where they’re at ideologically, and the writers understand that there are still normal people out there. not everything revolves around the generals in war, often the most interesting war stories are those of common soldiers. Tldr; a star wars show does not need jedi in it or have almost anything about jedi at all to be good.
@@starwinters39 While I agree that the common people are equally as important, they are all part of what makes Star Wars, Star Wars, and not some other generic show about rebels rising up against fascist regimes. Star Wars without Jedi and the Force is just another show about rebels against a fascist regime. I would agree that Star Wars isn't ABOUT Jedi, but Jedi are an inherent part of the Star Wars lore that cannot be left out or ignored and still keep the name "Star Wars" in my opinion.
Tbh I thought this show was MID. At best. My gf was also disinterested. There were some cool moments but at least I can say obi wan was partially entertaining. I didn’t care about a single character in this show. That’s just me though because everyone else seems to think this was a masterpiece
The worst of the Disney Star Wars shows to date. Boring premise, unlikeable characters, hardly any world-building. Gilroy has stated he "was never interested in Star Wars, ever", and that's exactly what it looks like! Andor is Star Wars for people who don't like Star Wars 🙈
How is the premise boring? How are the characters unlikable? The hardly any world-building part is just factually wrong, if could name multiple scenes from the show that have immense world building. The Eye plotline has the travellers who come every 3 years to see the eye, and we find out the only reason the empire is tolerating them is because soon when their new base is properly up and running, they will force the travellers to work for them. I would also like to see a source from that quote, because I never heard Gilroy say that. I loved the original trilogy, and many more Star Wars media. And I liked Andor, same with a lot of other Star Wars fans in this very video. So your point is factually incorrect just by doing some basic research.
@@introvertedrobot This is supposed to be Star Wars, and 99% humans is simply not what Star Wars has ever looked like. In any part of the galaxy we have seen. So that part is factually undeniable. The premise is boring because it's the backstory of a not very interesting side character. What comes next? A Die Hard prequel about the uncle of John McClane and his struggles in a random factory?? Which character did you find likeable? Most of them did questionable things, and treated those close to them rather poorly.
@@fundhund62 That part is not exactly “factually undeniable” because we haven’t seen every galaxy In Star Wars before. So of course it’s going to look different than others. Better Call Saul is a prequel to an at first one dimensional character, and made him really interesting. So again, I don’t know the premise is boring, since it does make Andor interesting as a character. That’s kind of the point, Cassian doesn’t really have many redeeming qualities at the beginning. He’s a thief, he’s selfish, and he’s untrustworthy. However, he does have some redeeming qualities. Like how he cares for Marvaa and Bix, while he does somewhat push them away, he does care for them. I explained it in the video that Cassian starts off as kind of an awful person, but later becomes more of a force for good. He’s no longer a thief, and he’s learnt to work together with people better, and puts his friends first instead of himself. If he didn’t have any development, then he wouldn’t have tried to team up with Luthen at the end of the show, trying to live up to the life Marvaa would’ve wanted.
@@fundhund62 I mean, if the Star Wars media had been good in the last decade, I would have found this statement questionable. But since it’s been (mostly) abhorrent garbage, I don’t really blame him. The stuff I’ve seen Disney produce makes me not care either. Turns out he made the best Star Wars media to come out in the past decade.
Okay, why is it bad? Give me some proper criticisms. Also, Mando is not that good. I can give you multiple different criticisms of that show, and how it is a poorly written mess.
@@introvertedrobot Mando is an excellent show dipshit, Andor is not. Andor's character is the most dull and boring out of any charcter I've ever seen, every charcter in Andor sucks. Delete your shit channel because it adds nothing and tells Disney to continue making rubbish. If Andor was any good it would have hooked me by the first 5 minutes, it doesn't, it would not be losing money for Disney if it were "good" that a vocal minority cries about, people like me watch a few episodes then just quit, our time is valuable and you recommend that trash? Are you a paid Disney shill for that show? Anyways thumbs down to your video.
The Mandalorian was the best SW since Empire. Which I'm old enough to have seen on it's original theatrical release. Andor was great but it completely lacked the charm of the SW:OT and the Mandalorian. As Lucas has said frequently and Favreau has also said, their creations were primarily made for children approaching their teens. The Mandalorian was also one of the most financially successful shows of all time. Disney projected D+ would have 60-90m subscribers by November 2024. Instead 100m signed up within 12 months of its launch when there was one one piece of original content on the platform, the Mandalorian. 100m x $7pm = over $8 billion pa. The secrecy they maintained over Baby Yoda was phenomenally clever. The social media sensation he created saved Disney+ several hundred million in marketing fees. He became the most popular Google search of 2019 despite the year being 84% over when he was revealed. The success of that show doesn't get the credit it deserves. Probably because it was created without any input from the Lucasfilm storygroup or its president.
I think this comment kinda shows that star wars fans will be the death of Star Wars. When every single thing in Star Wars is just bolted on to please the fans it feels like it has no artistic direction and you end up with shitshows like Kenobi and BOBF. It really is all just about nostalgia and toys. Andor actually does something interesting in that it approaches Star Wars from a new angle. The cost of revolution, the banality of evil, normal people rising up together to fight oppression. It drops the rinsed themes of fate, determinism and great man theory. It even explores the prison industrial complex. That alone makes it a cool ass show.
Andor doesn’t need charm. Star Wars doesn’t need the charm for kids. Also, just because Mando was more successful doesn’t mean anything. Andor is far higher quality in nearly every way.
@Starling Winters Absolutely...Mando was a good show, but I felt that I couldn't wait for the next installment. Andor had me in a 7- day anxiety waiting for the next episode. It is an absolute clinic in how to write, direct, and act. The only problem Andor has is near impossible task of living up to its first season
I think the problem with Andor's escape from Narkina 5 started way earlier than the scene with the aliens. His plan to escape the prison was... not the best. B-lining to the command room before they fry the whole prison was an insane risk that could easily have failed if they were just half a minute late. He didn't think further than getting out of the prison itself, resulting in other prisoners not making off the planet and getting recaptured by patrol ships. The obvious plan was right there: Stay within the prison, hold the whole prison staff hostage until another prisoner transport arrives, capture the transport ship and use it to ferry the prisoners off to a transportation hub so they can go their own way and spread the words about the Imperial re-sentencing system. Even if the plan get busted by other Imperial forces garrisoned on Narkina 5, Andor would have saved more people with this plan. And plus, the plan to capture a prisoner transport ship doesn't rely on the prisoners' ability to swim. Even if the escape plan was pushed up the schedule due to Ulaf's sudden death, he had at a minimum a month to hatch this. You can kind of excuse Andor's plan to steal the aliens' ship for being thought up in seconds on the spot, but not this. A plan hatched for a month shouldn't be this flawed.
I don't think they'd be able to just wait for the next transport. The empire would find out something is wrong much earlier than the time it'd take for another prisoner to die. Cassian's point is there is no time better than right now to stand up. Things never get better under authoritarianism. They succeeded in part due to the guards fear, and that was because the fact they just had to resort to the most extreme measures is on the guard's minds. The time to strike is when the boot quivers after it tried to beat you down.
@@pseudonymousbeing987 And how would they find out something is wrong? Send in a ship to inspect why a prison has cut the power? Capture that ship too. "much earlier than the time it'd take for another prisoner to die" Who said they would have to wait for another prison to die to bring in a new prisoner transport? New prisoners come in as they are grabbed off the street, which has been accelerated due to the PORD.
I do agree, while it wasn’t the best plan. I think it was definitely the only plan they could’ve done in that scenario. They could’ve tried to hold the whole prison staff hostage, but from what we’ve been told, they don’t exactly like taking risks. We’ve seen that they were completely fine with killing a whole cell block of people, just because a secret got out. If somehow they did manage to round up most of the armed prison staff, and wait for a transport carrier. The guards on that carrier would come extra armed, and would have no hesitation in killing those prisoners, and even guards if necessary. They need the prisoners for the Death Star, and would not simply let them go, knowing how hush hush the project is. If they were to do that, then they would’ve just let them go once the time was served anyway. While many people did die, everyone was well aware of that fact when Kino Loy told them not all of them would be making it out alive. It was always a risky plan, but the only one they could have done due to time constraints. And of course they didn’t think about getting further than escaping the prison, because that was the only space they were aware about. You could also tell by the severity of the situation that they did not have a month minimum. They killed an entire cell block for even knowing about the fact that no one would be able to escape. Thinking how unpredictable the situation is, they didn’t want to waste anymore time. I can’t imagine that them waiting a month would’ve accomplished much anyway, especially since the prison is meant to be designed to be “impossible” to escape from. Either way, they would’ve never escaped without taking major risks, and sacrificing some of the people. We unfortunately do not know how many people did escape, but then again, it was a suicide mission from the beginning. They would rather have died fighting, than died working with them. I also believe the water was meant to fry the electronic floor, so it wouldn’t work. (I’ll have to rewatch the episode). I wouldn’t even say that there was plot armour involved in the situation, since hundreds managed to make it out, judging by the shot when the prisoners were jumping out of the facility.
@@introvertedrobot "from what we’ve been told, they don’t exactly like taking risks" Andor: [Completely skips putting on insulating boots and just B-line to the command room in the hope to get there before the whole floor is fried]
@@aquapendulum I believe that’s because the water (whatever the liquid was) had fried the electric floor. I don’t think Andor had any time either, since he wouldn’t really know reinforcements would be coming. So he wouldn’t have the time to put on shoes, if he didn’t know how many guards could be coming through. But yeah, I’ll give you that. Despite the electric floors not being able to work, he shouldn’t have taken that risk.
How are they bland?? Jesus I don’t understand Star Wars fans sometimes. Luther sold his conscience to help spawn the rebellion, Mon Mothma decides to sacrifice her daughter to a forced marriage to fund the rebellion. Kino completely transforms from a sceptic to a revolutionary in the space of 3 episodes despite knowing he never had a chance at escape. This is the literal opposite of bland lol.
@@fionnleamy844 oh really? a character that is so engrained in the cause that he’s willing to kill one of the good guys to make sure the bad guys don’t wing when we first see him in Rogue One? You think that’s bland?
Didn't like it. I watched the series 2x all the way through ... For me it was the dialog that I didn't like; which I guess is a critic of the writing. On my second time through the series there were too many times that I just had no idea what the characters were talking about ... Like I knew by the mood and often the background music something important was happening, but I just had no idea what the characters were talking about. Example ... the Senator. I know she's trying to raise money for the Rebellion, but other than that, what is she talking about?????? She seems to move from scene to scene, talking to multiple characters ... there's a sense of urgency, but I don't know why, what or who?? It's just this woman that is supposed to be important because? because? because? Well because she's in a lot of scenes? talking to alot of people? I don't know? I watched the series 2x .... I don't know if she ever even scored any funding? Did she? I mean did this woman ever even get money for the Rebellion? It felt like this boring character took up 20% of the screen time and for all I know she could have possibly never even accomplished her mission of trying to raise money. I give the series a C-
Sounds like it just wasn't for you. Personally I loved that everything wasn't clumsily over-explained in clunky dialogue. Enough was said and then there was subtext and visual cues on top of that. You actually had to pay attention and think for yourself to keep up. As a random example out of a thousand: The wall of worker gloves on Ferrix, indicating (fairly obviously) that this is a community of manual laborers, but also (subtext) that the community is so tight knit that people trust their gloves not to get stolen. And the best part: We don't get someone saying "look at all those gloves. Us Ferrixers really trust eachother. I love it here. Duh." Also if you watched it twice and still just call her "the senator", maybe you didn't pay that much attention(?)
Dude can someone PLEASE tell me why EVERYONE hates the trilogy SOOOO MUCH ?? And hates Kenobi SOOOO much??? Dude its FUCKING STAR WARS , how do u not love everything star wars no matter what?! I love anything and everything star wars no matter what and ill die on that hill 10/10 times .
I judge stories based on how coherent they are, meaning that if they are filled with plot-holes, contrivances, illogical character decisions, character assassination, etc. Then chances are that I'm not going to like said media. I assume by "the trilogy" you are talking about the sequel trilogy, since that is the only trilogy I spoke negatively about in the video. But both the sequel trilogy, Kenobi, Mandalorian, and more are chalked to the brim full of problems. It's fine to like them, but there are objective flaws in them, and whether those objective flaws affect you or not is subjective. I loved Andor because of how competently written it was, and how well directed the show is.
I think you need to be more demanding of your franchise, especially one that can be as rich and deep as anything like The Lord of the Rings or Game of Thrones. For me all we had of live action Star WArs was the OT and had the expanded universe for the longest time. What Disney is giving us is whatever they can use to sell toys and just a ton of fan service or stuff that is just familiar to fans. For me, this gets old. Rogue One was the movie that expanded the universe and told the world they could explore and tell new stories set in the Star Wars universe. Much like Ridley Scott's Prometheus wanted to do but there was so much fan backlash he then delivered Covenant which was just all about the Alien and the fans hated that. I'm looking for new stories and characters that are told very well and probably more grounded in the SW universe.
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I didn't find Cassian and Melshi being helped by the locals particularly contrived at all. The show (repeatedly) established that the Empire doesn't particularly care much for indigenous peoples. It makes sense that any locals they encountered would harbor anti-Imperial sentiment.
I would imagine Empire escapee convincts would put quite the bounty on their heads. I would still imagine there are people out there who would still do anything for a bounty, despite hating the Empire. Although, I will agree that it is less contrived than I originally thought.
@@introvertedrobot They do explore the idea of collaboration with Imperial authorities with Nurchi on Ferrix. But that has the added setup of Cassian having had a strained relationship with him due to their prior debts.
@@introvertedrobot that type of character exists in people like Skeen and Nurchi. Also, antagonists aren't always evil, but Syril is. He didn't get dragged into anything. He's a fascist. As you said, he wants to eliminate chaos (aka disorder) at any cost. He's ideologically aligned with the empire. Mosk, on the other hand, fell into simply seeking approval and came to realize at the end that he was on the wrong side of history.
@@Girder3 There was also the guy who was a rebel, but was planning on betraying his team anyway. And only planned to cut Cassian in, because he thought of him as an equal to him. The thing is that people do things for the right price. So no matter what opposing force they’re on, there will always be people out there who will sell others out. Hence it being a bit contrived that they were good people.
I don’t think the Empire would deem them worth any kind of large bounty. They would just round up more.
The monologues! The characters! The acting! The sets! The amazing visuals! There is so much to love about this series and I'm happy to see others loving it too!
It’s just such a well made show, and was impossible for me not to fall in love with it!
@@introvertedrobot I think it also hints at how Rogue One could have been even better if Tony had been at the helm from the start and we'd gotten more time with all of its characters. As much as I enjoyed it as it is, there was a lot of potential it left unrealized.
@@MichaelS-jk8tj For sure
You have to realize that the "mining disaster" backstory is the excuse used to cover up genocides that the Empire carries out. Jedah was called a "mining disaster" in Rogue One, so I think you're suppose to make that connection and the reason why there are only kids alive on Kenari. As far as Kino's fate goes, Cassian doesn't know for sure how many could have made it. There were people swimming in every direction. My hopes are that Kino shows up as a Rebel ground commander. I love this show. The story, the characters, the dialog, the pacing, the production and the music were all incredibly crafted to give us this awesome series.
I don't get why people think that Syril and Mosk swapped hats because it would make the recognize each other. There's nothing that indicates that. Mosk offered his hat because Syril probably liked it more when they were picking out their "under cover clothes". We know Syril is pretty picky about his fashion and that's just something that Mosk knows about him by now, so to keep his buddy happy he gives him the hat he wanted in the first place and Syril is happy. To me Syril is the comedic part of Andor as a character. He's trying to hard to be a tough guy , bad ass... I find it funny.
Best hat explanation I’ve seen, kudos! Great point also re mining disasters, probably plenty of those we haven’t been privy to as well…
I think the mining disaster was from the republic not the empire the scene took part during the clone wars and the ship that crashed I believe were republic soldiers trying to frame the separatists
I saw the colors explained and it had to do with the colors on the hats of the corporate uniforms, with orange being a color for officers, so Mosk gives him his orange hat as a sign of respect! Details! Easter eggs! So much to love.
@@TroySchoonover I still don't think the hat switch did anything for respect of rank. If it did, Mosk would have just let him have it to begin with. It's still more of a buddy thing, IMO.
Andor has not only expanded the star wars universe, its deepened it. You feel as if you're a part of the day to day grind of the average person. Its an overall excellent production.
Luthen as an anti-palpatine is an interesting observation. Both have secret identities, both see people as instruments to be deployed in service to their goals, I'm sure the parallels go on.
... and there is subtle yet profound irony when Luthen says "I'm doomed to use the tools of my enemy to defeat them" ... to a man who is literally a tool of his enemy that Luthen is using to defeat them. Delicious.
Also on the note of Luthen, I think the final episode showed him the "sunrise [he] knows [he]'ll never see." He saw Ferrix, a bunch of nobodies minding their own business, rise up against the Empire's injustices to honor Maarva and to protect Cassian.
Keno in his speech even asks that they push him in the water. "If you see your fellow inmate standing around, looking confused, push them on."
so my headcanon is that he drowned to avoid being recaptured, preferring death over slavery
He also explicitly said that they should help each other - and I dunno about you, but I think those who could swim would help those who couldn't as best as they could. Keno lives, is my headcanon.
This is definitely a very high budget show - easily $100M+. Just the the Ferrix & prison sets would've cost millions.
The attempt to steal the ship and getting caught serves a really important purpose though. They JUST had the intense escape from the empire, so instead of retreading that, this scene puts them back into the world of common folk.
The purpose of this scene is to interrupt the usual trope of it being "them against the galaxy". Getting immediately caught shows how they're still at the mercy of the galaxy. They are not superheroes or magical protagonists who can succeed vs. the galaxy. Cassian's friend seems to believe this and we see this belief immediately crashing into the reality of the show's universe.
Being helped instead of turned in (despite the knowledge of reward) shows how sometimes the galaxy can be a generous place. This is super a super important separation between the empire and the people of the galaxy itself. This scene serves to separate those two, a very important theme of the show.
I do agree that this scene was needed, and helps with a different change of pace. Instead of it being everyone vs an opposing force. I just think it could’ve been written a bit better. I do think it is less contrived than I originally had thought, but it’s still contrived. Because of them bum rushing the ship, it’s lucky they didn’t get caught. Them turning out to oppose the empire, feels a bit contrived.
@@introvertedrobot The empire is pretty implicitly super xenophobic. There are no aliens who work in the empire. Why would two aliens who fish on a planet that has had its ecosystem ruined by the empire setting prisons up there be pro empire? Just because we don't see an episode long backstory into those two guys doesn't mean their decision to help is contrived
@@Cyproterjoan Thank you for explaining to me, I understand now. Apologies for making this complicated lol.
This showed the life under the empire and (IMO) how intimidating tie fighters and troopers can be. (even better than the original films) That's my takeaway from Andor. Even rogue one got a view into the infighting of the rebellion, and that made it more real and believable. (and interesting)
Random note: I was positive the eye visuals wouldn’t live up to how the characters were describing it - I was wrong! Just stunning.
For your point on mining incidents. Thats a cover. A mining incident did not actually happen the empire just seys that. They said that for both scarif and Andorran after all.
When someone says mining incident in Star Wars something REALLY REALLY bad just happened.
Ahhh, thank you for clearing that up! Feel like an idiot for not getting it sooner lol
Great review. I expect you’ll grow a very big audience if you keep this quality up!
Thanks! I’ve already grown to an amount that I would’ve never expected reaching, but it makes me happy that more and more people keep finding my content!
We appreciate your analysis. Seems like you've really taken into account every single detail. Happy Holidays.
Thanks Sophie! Happy Holidays to you too!
Mining disasters are the Empire's go to excuse for any terrible shit that they commit, so it makes sense in-universe when it crops up often
Andor is the breaking bad of star wars.
Totally truthful and pog review. And it's 37 mins. I'm watching all of this, GIMI MORE REVIEWS. MMMMM
My favourite character in the show is definately Luthen played by Stellan Skarsgård.
Can’t argue with that, Luthen is an excellently written character.
One of the best pieces on Andor I've seen, keep up the great work.
Thank you!
Great analysis, I enjoyed every minute of it
Thanks!
For the opening (the first one at least) I thought it was symbolizing him starting as nobody, realizing who he killed which is why the opening grows to be so powerful it’s this security company that will now be looming over him, and watching his movements. (And eventually the empire)
I love this show so much, even the smallest details like “you’re bleeding on my floor” just makes it feel real
Upon rewatch there are so many details that I missed upon first viewing that were more apparent on second viewing! It’s an incredible show, and I’d go as far to say it’s one of my favourite shows I’ve seen.
I am agreeing with you 100%
I may have missed it, but it seems you did not speak about Mon Mothma at all. I found her plot line very interesting, the politics and financing of the early rebellion.
First time I saw her out side the initial trilogy was on the X Wing and Tie Fighter games of the early 90s. Like she meeting an Imperial Admiral defector who is willing to work for the Alliance but for a price
Shit, I’m so sorry! I can’t believe she slipped my mind
@@introvertedrobot Well, it happens. I thought you hadn´t liken her plotline or acting.
It just shows there are so many interesting things and characters in this show that you ended up forgetting about Mon Mothma! lol
All the more reason for another video, perhaps…? 😉
Jk, massively appreciate the effort put into this one. All this Andor meta is so great to see!
I believe the empire uses the term "mining accident" to cover up their genocides
Indeed. This show is a jewel
Also: they swap hats because Pre-Mor Officers use orange hats, and Syril was higher in rank.
This is a great review. I can see that Disney finally gave creative freedom to some talented folks. I watch Stars Wars movies very casually. But I am tired of the storylines of fighting the empire again and again, by a bunch of underdog rebels. Especially given that these movies and series realeases, are now spanning over 50 years, it’s hard to get invested in this series with the same story arc of fighting the empire. Because of your review I might give Andor a try.
This show isn't really "underdogs fighting the empire" like Star Wars Rebels, it's a few people trying to kickstart the rebellion by all means necessary and the public slowly starting to realize the brutal, oppressive tyranny of the empire and rising up. It's about the birth of the rebellion, not the continuation of it.
Hey, the last 4 episodes of Clone Wars were excellent
Haven’t watched all of Clone Wars yet, but I’m making my way through.
@@introvertedrobot Well, the final season was made in the Disney era and its final story arc, “The Siege of Mandalore,” is excellent
Yeah they wrapped up something that was great and gave us…. Rebels and the rest of the bullshit Disney released. Don’t credit them for anything clone wars based
@@PoutingScout not defending rebels, but the last season of clone wars came out after rebels ended
Gonna add to this, me and IntroBot have watched them and we think they're absolutely terrible
You tried to make it subtle enough to melt away into the background, but I know the MvC Gambit theme when I hear it. I see you. 👊
best SW show yet by far
I’m gonna wait for season 2 before fully coming to the conclusion but i am super confident that Andor is the best piece of SW material ever made (yes even better then the OG trilogy)
Agreed! Hopefully they don’t mess up S2 0-0
@@introvertedrobot massive thanks need to be in order for Tony Gilroy. Before he started making this project officially KK had pitched this show as just Andor & K2SO misadventures… which sounded so repetitive and boring same old formula we have been getting. Tony Gilroy really had a passion to make the show the way it was made and i am very thankful for that. He will deliver in season 2 i think. That story makes me glad That KK is on her way out after Indy 5 ngl.
I've watched the show 4 times now and i fully agree. Episodes like 7, 10 and 12 seriously give me life
@@LunaVictoria9 o7 here’s to Season 2
Kino Loy.
Listen closely to this sailor.
Your pants are a flotation device.
tie up the leg ends.
Scoop air as you jump.
hold the air-filled legs under your armpits.
when the begin to deflate?
kick up, scoop air, continue on.
best star wars show :)
I would go as far to say that it’s the best Star Wars media I’ve ever seen
Great for newcomers, great for heavy cumers, great for everyone with a brain.
I really like that the whole "Long Lost Sister" is just a MacGuffin. Yeah no his sister's long dead, slaughtered by the Republic/Empire. But him trying to find her brought him into conflict with the mall cops, with brought Pre-Mor down on him and Ferrix, then he had to flee, and etc, etc.
Yeah it’s a good plot device, and very well written.
SI, MASTERPIECE!.
Thank you for this review of Andor. Well done. I liked how you broke it down into sections too. The only slight disagreement I might have is about the lack of hope for Kino Loy to escape. I think we all need to hope he makes it out and survives. We may doubt that it's likely. But we still hope. After all, Han Solo said, "Never tell me the odds." You mentioned the electrified floor, but don't forget how long it will take to power up the prison again after they took it offline. Doesn't that at least increase his meager chances a smidgeon? Maybe by then, he could learn to swim or figure something else out. He's no dummy.
I completely removed Star Wars from my life a few years ago. It just became a chore and a drain on my emotions. But I kept hearing about Andor being decent. So I gave it a go with my expectations under my feet. I was blown away. Just everything I always wanted from SW since I grew up a little bit. Amazing show.
It's so frustrating to me that after the endless complaints from fans about TBOBF and Kenobi, those same fans didn't show up to support the (live-action) Star Wars show that was _actually good_
Watching Rouge One first provides some context as many are confused about why Star Wars did a story on Andor, not to be confused with Endor. Regardless, Andor is amazingly well done.
i watched andor w/o seeing rouge one and it didn´t confuse me at all. Now i wanna see rouge one - i can´t believe i give a damn about star wars again this show was fantastic
Interesting how you can talk about Luthen but not one word about Mon Motha, the only legacy Star Wars character that was well fleshed out and not treated like an Easter egg.
I don’t have anything against Mon Motha, in fact, I think she’s amazing. The only reason she is not mentioned here is because I idiotically forgot to write about her until another commenter pointed it out. I genuinely am very sorry.
Great review. The only problem I had with the show is that Cassian Andor is not as interesting as a lot of the side characters,, but still the best show on Disney+. I love how every characters feels as if they are on their own journey. Cyril is trying to gain power, Luthen is trying to grow his rebellion, and the republican woman (I think her name is Mon Motha) is trying to also put an end to the empire.
You're getting close to my theory about Luthen.
I think he is a force user who escaped 66, and his grief/anger/vengeance is ironically driving him to the dark side. I have a lot more specific theories about his origins, but that's the quick version of it.
THAT'S why we need a spin-off series dedicated to him... "REBELLION--The Luthern Chronicles" 😀
The last thing I want Luthen to be is a Force user. It makes it so much more interesting to have him be a normal person. Let the Jedi and Sith be the figures of legend who all the stories are about; but have the one who set their stage be a simple man fighting from the dark with nothing but his wits and his determination.
Coconut trunk bunker
What does this even mean bro 🤣
I support Andor and Mando equally. Mando is the only vehicle that is capable of being used to either retcon the Sequelogy or have it placed in another part of a Star Wars multiverse to render the Sequels out of sight, out of mind. Andor, as good as it is, is specifically a Prequel to the excellent Rogue One, which is a direct Prequel to A New Hope.
Was that Gambit's theme from SfvXm?
26:26 I see whatcha did there!
Star wars is deeply political. It's in the name. It was great to see a show find a way to be political, in a way that's universal. One every person can get no matter their real world politics
Indeed, instead of one side being offended, this show has a way of appeasing both sides, and still being a very enjoyable show! Not that being political is bad, but doing it in such a way where no side is offended, and they can enjoy the show is an impressive feat.
Star Wars in the first three movies is a black and white Space Opera. We have the white hat good guys, the black hat bad guys and some grey in between like Han Solo that joins the good side. They are a like the space opera King Arthur and the knights of the round table. It is simple and easy, the story is told after three films.
@@TorianTammas the original was modeled off of vietnam, with the rebels representing the vietcong and the empire representing the US. It has always been political.
I love Andor save for the final episode, which felt cheap, rushed, and like they were just cramming all of the characters together.
To be fair TCW season 7 also exists, so in actually it only took 8 years to make something good.
23:16 the belltower worker? Do you mean The Time Grappler?
Man-child neck beards who want pew-pew, laser sword battles with Darth Vader every 3 minutes will hate it. Good.
To which I'm fucking surprised when I found out that Star Wars: Ahsoka is trash, even after Andor having demonstrated its stellar quality in which the franchise could achieve.
Your criticism of Andor not making an effort to hide his identity or change his appearance during the first arc is undeserved. Remember, he believes the Empire is lazy and doesn't care, so why should he get paranoid?
Also, the scene and Andor and the other prisoner "bumrush" for the ship and get caught. You called it contrived, but I honestly think its the best fit. How else do you write a scene that explains how they get to Morlana V while the entire planet is on high alert for escaped prisoners? A couple of local fisherman who have a grudge against the empire for spoiling the waters seems like a natural fit. Anything else would have taken up too much time on screen.
I did recently change my mind on both of these criticisms to be invalid. You’re right about both parts, my bad!
Whats a rowey? is he trying to say row? 23:17
I rather liked The Mandolorian. The episodic western format was fitting for what it was and, though it wasn’t especially challenging or dramatically epic, not every tv show needs to blow your hair back. Having said that, it was the least flawed of the deeply flawed offerings that Disney has been shitting out since their feminist Mary Sue coup over the material has so badly marred the Star Wars legacy.
Andor seems worlds apart. Up there with shows like The Wire, Breaking Bad or I Claudius - not for any ground breaking new approaches to tv drama, like those examples - but simply for sheer quality of writing, respect for the material and commitment to production values that got us a perfect storm of actors, capable of delivering great lines with the weight and meaning they deserved, technical achievements like the direction and production of which you spoke so eloquently, and just their apparent commitment to telling a story of value (and values) that wasn’t pandering to any agendas (right or left) or feeling the need to please, or represent any special demographic. Just good story telling.
my only issue with this is the show is literally anti fascist, which is inherently left wing, so yes, it does kind of fit an agenda.
Star Wars fans deserve what they get from now on. Yes, it’s actually your fault it’s not all this good.
Luthen goes to all this trouble to set up a heist and he is pulling strings with Mon Mothma and Saw to get the rebellion up and going ... then the workers on Ferrix turn up and give the imperials a black eye more or less spontaneously, needing none of the resources Luthen has been assembling ... I wonder if he will comment on that at all in season 2?
Do remember that Maarva was only inspired to the cause by the Aldhani heist. Sure, she never saw a single one of those credits or had any direct influence from Luthen or the other big players, but their actions did ultimately bring about the uprising on Rix Road, even if unintentionally and indirectly. I think Luthen's big take away from being present to it was seeing the grim reality of what rebellion actually looks like, the fruition of all of his plans finally being witnessed by it's progenitor. Stellan does an excellent job portraying the subtle shock and desolation on his face looking down at the massacre after he is able to get out.
My guess for Kino is that he will show up again in season 2, only this time he is captured and possibly tortured or possibly publicly executed which could be a very emotional scene. Who knows, maybe he will even give one last speech to the galaxy before he goes.
Maybe they are going down the route where he just doesn't come back and his fate is left to the viewer's imagination.
I’m not disagreeing on all topics in this video but my dislike 👎 is to state respectfully as a feedback to the creator of this channel. This is one of many awesome reviews of Andor but to discuss that his opinion in this video was a bit misaligned on his semi-understandable views on him making absolute assumptions i.e. like that Kino dies or to telling the story without spoilers to those that haven’t watched the story… but mostly I can say I like 60% of the content creator’s script overall…
I hope my comment was helpful to the channel creator of achieving a balanced and healthy writing style that has much creative writing potential while refraining the use of a colorful vocabulary and embracing a respectful language for all to enjoy 👍🏾 thank you to the both of you and sky’s efforts
I appreciate the feedback greatly, however, if you could be a bit more detailed into what you didn’t like, that would be great. Since you describe some stuff that was misaligned, but I don’t know what that stuff is. Thank you for the feedback nonetheless!
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Nah normal speed is good
3:04 ? Getting expelled?
As the classic saying goes, some fates than death. Like working in that factory for your whole life
@@introvertedrobot I see someone who isn't versed in Harry Potter's lore. Apologies.
@@KiNASuki Sorry! Been years since I saw the first movie lol. I thought that phrase sounded familiar xD
Cyberpunk spoilers warning where? 19:01
I literally put a spoiler warning in there, at 18:55
@@introvertedrobot I WASNT WATCHING THE SCREEN, i was listening AHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!! SCREAMING!!!!!!!!!!!
@@gurnardherded3539 apologies, I’ll make it more clear for next time!
@@introvertedrobot thanks, but don't worry too much, I do lots of dumb
@@gurnardherded3539 nah my fault, I try to make my videos the best quality they can possibly be. Thank you for the constructive criticism man :)
A true shame it's too little too late. I'm a filmmaker today because TOT inspired me to do so, but right now, you can't even pay me to waste my time on Disney anything honestly. Until such a time that a full recon of the sequel trilogy and KK being a ghost in the halls of lucasfilm, I'm out.
Andor is the worst thing I've ever seen
I’ll never forgive you
@@introvertedrobot It's not as bad as Better Call Saul tho
I 100% agree that Andor’s welcoming of fans new and old is the way it should be. My only gripe was how dry the show was in terms of action, and while I understand the not focusing on Jedi, I did feel like they went out of their way to completely ignore and avoid the Jedi and the Emperor and Darth Vader unnecessarily.
I think seeing a more grounded Jedi, a more grounded Vader, a more grounded Emperor on top of a climactic battle or two each season would elevate Star Wars to a new height previously unseen.
Unfortunately they squandered that entirely and we essentially got a slow paced, dry prison break series.
Now don’t get me wrong, for being dry it was still great dialogue, plot, character design and development, beautiful set pieces and all that. It did everything that it did 100% right.
But calling this perfect is like saying your juice is 100% juice when that cup of juice is really made up of 75% water and only 25% juice and that is how Andor felt to me.
Sure, the portion that is real juice is in fact 100% real juice and that is delicious, but it is diluted in a pool of water and that makes it a bit flavorless and bland and left me wanting, so hopefully they put a bit more of the “War and Lore” back into the series in season 2, while still keeping it accessible.
There is absolutely no reason you can’t bring in fan favorite characters from all across the series and write them in an accessible way. The only reason they couldn’t do that is either 1 - they’re not that great of writers and the show is overhyped, which definitely couldn’t possibly ever be the case, RIGHT? Or 2 - they’re lazy and neglect it, or 3 - they refuse to do it because they think “pure” Star Wars is above all those “kid” things like Jedi, action, heroics, and humor.
Just saying, it’s great but it’s missing a bit of that flavor. To truly propel Star Wars to the next level, they need to reconcile with new and old fans as well as new and old themes, characters, lore, powers, Jedi, etc.
Still though, I am excited to see what’s next. Hopefully series like Acolyte and Ahsoka are done in similar fashion.
Hard disagree. Star Wars is not about the jedi. sure, a lot happens around them, but not everything is about them. The show is nearly perfect because it goes to the roots of star wars of fighting a fascist regime. They took that, and the asked the question, how does someone become radicalized against fascism? Every person is somewhere along that kind of spectrum in where they’re at ideologically, and the writers understand that there are still normal people out there. not everything revolves around the generals in war, often the most interesting war stories are those of common soldiers.
Tldr; a star wars show does not need jedi in it or have almost anything about jedi at all to be good.
@@starwinters39 While I agree that the common people are equally as important, they are all part of what makes Star Wars, Star Wars, and not some other generic show about rebels rising up against fascist regimes.
Star Wars without Jedi and the Force is just another show about rebels against a fascist regime. I would agree that Star Wars isn't ABOUT Jedi, but Jedi are an inherent part of the Star Wars lore that cannot be left out or ignored and still keep the name "Star Wars" in my opinion.
@@Infinicat ok fine, that’s your opinion, but tbh it’s a terrible opinion.
@@starwinters39 Hey it's fine that you have a terrible opinion about my objectively superior opinion, so fair enough :P
Tbh I thought this show was MID. At best. My gf was also disinterested. There were some cool moments but at least I can say obi wan was partially entertaining. I didn’t care about a single character in this show. That’s just me though because everyone else seems to think this was a masterpiece
what good reason do you have to say it’s mid?
The worst of the Disney Star Wars shows to date.
Boring premise, unlikeable characters, hardly any world-building.
Gilroy has stated he "was never interested in Star Wars, ever", and that's exactly what it looks like!
Andor is Star Wars for people who don't like Star Wars 🙈
How is the premise boring? How are the characters unlikable? The hardly any world-building part is just factually wrong, if could name multiple scenes from the show that have immense world building. The Eye plotline has the travellers who come every 3 years to see the eye, and we find out the only reason the empire is tolerating them is because soon when their new base is properly up and running, they will force the travellers to work for them. I would also like to see a source from that quote, because I never heard Gilroy say that. I loved the original trilogy, and many more Star Wars media. And I liked Andor, same with a lot of other Star Wars fans in this very video. So your point is factually incorrect just by doing some basic research.
@@introvertedrobot This is supposed to be Star Wars, and 99% humans is simply not what Star Wars has ever looked like.
In any part of the galaxy we have seen.
So that part is factually undeniable.
The premise is boring because it's the backstory of a not very interesting side character.
What comes next? A Die Hard prequel about the uncle of John McClane and his struggles in a random factory??
Which character did you find likeable? Most of them did questionable things, and treated those close to them rather poorly.
@@introvertedrobot ruclips.net/video/4009FETfkMw/видео.html around 20 seconds in, also at the end.
@@fundhund62 That part is not exactly “factually undeniable” because we haven’t seen every galaxy In Star Wars before. So of course it’s going to look different than others.
Better Call Saul is a prequel to an at first one dimensional character, and made him really interesting. So again, I don’t know the premise is boring, since it does make Andor interesting as a character.
That’s kind of the point, Cassian doesn’t really have many redeeming qualities at the beginning. He’s a thief, he’s selfish, and he’s untrustworthy. However, he does have some redeeming qualities. Like how he cares for Marvaa and Bix, while he does somewhat push them away, he does care for them. I explained it in the video that Cassian starts off as kind of an awful person, but later becomes more of a force for good. He’s no longer a thief, and he’s learnt to work together with people better, and puts his friends first instead of himself. If he didn’t have any development, then he wouldn’t have tried to team up with Luthen at the end of the show, trying to live up to the life Marvaa would’ve wanted.
@@fundhund62 I mean, if the Star Wars media had been good in the last decade, I would have found this statement questionable. But since it’s been (mostly) abhorrent garbage, I don’t really blame him. The stuff I’ve seen Disney produce makes me not care either. Turns out he made the best Star Wars media to come out in the past decade.
Last Jedi solos this mid
Love ya daddy HN, never change (p.s. love your content)
Andor is not a good starwars show, it's not a good tv show at all, horrible and utterly trash, Mando is a million times better than that dull borefest
Okay, why is it bad? Give me some proper criticisms. Also, Mando is not that good. I can give you multiple different criticisms of that show, and how it is a poorly written mess.
@@introvertedrobot Mando is an excellent show dipshit, Andor is not. Andor's character is the most dull and boring out of any charcter I've ever seen, every charcter in Andor sucks. Delete your shit channel because it adds nothing and tells Disney to continue making rubbish.
If Andor was any good it would have hooked me by the first 5 minutes, it doesn't, it would not be losing money for Disney if it were "good" that a vocal minority cries about, people like me watch a few episodes then just quit, our time is valuable and you recommend that trash? Are you a paid Disney shill for that show?
Anyways thumbs down to your video.
@@voluntarism335 this is the most sane Star Wars fan
@@introvertedrobot I'm going to block you, you are a liar
The Mandalorian was the best SW since Empire. Which I'm old enough to have seen on it's original theatrical release.
Andor was great but it completely lacked the charm of the SW:OT and the Mandalorian.
As Lucas has said frequently and Favreau has also said, their creations were primarily made for children approaching their teens.
The Mandalorian was also one of the most financially successful shows of all time. Disney projected D+ would have 60-90m subscribers by November 2024. Instead 100m signed up within 12 months of its launch when there was one one piece of original content on the platform, the Mandalorian.
100m x $7pm = over $8 billion pa.
The secrecy they maintained over Baby Yoda was phenomenally clever. The social media sensation he created saved Disney+ several hundred million in marketing fees. He became the most popular Google search of 2019 despite the year being 84% over when he was revealed.
The success of that show doesn't get the credit it deserves. Probably because it was created without any input from the Lucasfilm storygroup or its president.
I think this comment kinda shows that star wars fans will be the death of Star Wars. When every single thing in Star Wars is just bolted on to please the fans it feels like it has no artistic direction and you end up with shitshows like Kenobi and BOBF. It really is all just about nostalgia and toys. Andor actually does something interesting in that it approaches Star Wars from a new angle. The cost of revolution, the banality of evil, normal people rising up together to fight oppression. It drops the rinsed themes of fate, determinism and great man theory. It even explores the prison industrial complex. That alone makes it a cool ass show.
@@jamesu8033 What a pompous way of admitting I was right, it's not a kids show
Andor doesn’t need charm. Star Wars doesn’t need the charm for kids. Also, just because Mando was more successful doesn’t mean anything. Andor is far higher quality in nearly every way.
@Starling Winters Absolutely...Mando was a good show, but I felt that I couldn't wait for the next installment. Andor had me in a 7- day anxiety waiting for the next episode. It is an absolute clinic in how to write, direct, and act. The only problem Andor has is near impossible task of living up to its first season
Lols stopped watching once he slagged Obi Wan off cause it wasn’t that bad at all 😂
I think the problem with Andor's escape from Narkina 5 started way earlier than the scene with the aliens. His plan to escape the prison was... not the best. B-lining to the command room before they fry the whole prison was an insane risk that could easily have failed if they were just half a minute late. He didn't think further than getting out of the prison itself, resulting in other prisoners not making off the planet and getting recaptured by patrol ships. The obvious plan was right there: Stay within the prison, hold the whole prison staff hostage until another prisoner transport arrives, capture the transport ship and use it to ferry the prisoners off to a transportation hub so they can go their own way and spread the words about the Imperial re-sentencing system. Even if the plan get busted by other Imperial forces garrisoned on Narkina 5, Andor would have saved more people with this plan. And plus, the plan to capture a prisoner transport ship doesn't rely on the prisoners' ability to swim.
Even if the escape plan was pushed up the schedule due to Ulaf's sudden death, he had at a minimum a month to hatch this. You can kind of excuse Andor's plan to steal the aliens' ship for being thought up in seconds on the spot, but not this. A plan hatched for a month shouldn't be this flawed.
I don't think they'd be able to just wait for the next transport. The empire would find out something is wrong much earlier than the time it'd take for another prisoner to die. Cassian's point is there is no time better than right now to stand up. Things never get better under authoritarianism. They succeeded in part due to the guards fear, and that was because the fact they just had to resort to the most extreme measures is on the guard's minds. The time to strike is when the boot quivers after it tried to beat you down.
@@pseudonymousbeing987 And how would they find out something is wrong? Send in a ship to inspect why a prison has cut the power? Capture that ship too.
"much earlier than the time it'd take for another prisoner to die"
Who said they would have to wait for another prison to die to bring in a new prisoner transport? New prisoners come in as they are grabbed off the street, which has been accelerated due to the PORD.
I do agree, while it wasn’t the best plan. I think it was definitely the only plan they could’ve done in that scenario. They could’ve tried to hold the whole prison staff hostage, but from what we’ve been told, they don’t exactly like taking risks. We’ve seen that they were completely fine with killing a whole cell block of people, just because a secret got out. If somehow they did manage to round up most of the armed prison staff, and wait for a transport carrier. The guards on that carrier would come extra armed, and would have no hesitation in killing those prisoners, and even guards if necessary. They need the prisoners for the Death Star, and would not simply let them go, knowing how hush hush the project is. If they were to do that, then they would’ve just let them go once the time was served anyway. While many people did die, everyone was well aware of that fact when Kino Loy told them not all of them would be making it out alive. It was always a risky plan, but the only one they could have done due to time constraints. And of course they didn’t think about getting further than escaping the prison, because that was the only space they were aware about. You could also tell by the severity of the situation that they did not have a month minimum. They killed an entire cell block for even knowing about the fact that no one would be able to escape. Thinking how unpredictable the situation is, they didn’t want to waste anymore time. I can’t imagine that them waiting a month would’ve accomplished much anyway, especially since the prison is meant to be designed to be “impossible” to escape from. Either way, they would’ve never escaped without taking major risks, and sacrificing some of the people. We unfortunately do not know how many people did escape, but then again, it was a suicide mission from the beginning. They would rather have died fighting, than died working with them. I also believe the water was meant to fry the electronic floor, so it wouldn’t work. (I’ll have to rewatch the episode). I wouldn’t even say that there was plot armour involved in the situation, since hundreds managed to make it out, judging by the shot when the prisoners were jumping out of the facility.
@@introvertedrobot "from what we’ve been told, they don’t exactly like taking risks"
Andor: [Completely skips putting on insulating boots and just B-line to the command room in the hope to get there before the whole floor is fried]
@@aquapendulum I believe that’s because the water (whatever the liquid was) had fried the electric floor. I don’t think Andor had any time either, since he wouldn’t really know reinforcements would be coming. So he wouldn’t have the time to put on shoes, if he didn’t know how many guards could be coming through. But yeah, I’ll give you that. Despite the electric floors not being able to work, he shouldn’t have taken that risk.
While I love this show the one problem I have is that the actual character andor is fairly bland
Any Cassian Andor slander will not be tolerated around these parts
How are they bland?? Jesus I don’t understand Star Wars fans sometimes. Luther sold his conscience to help spawn the rebellion, Mon Mothma decides to sacrifice her daughter to a forced marriage to fund the rebellion. Kino completely transforms from a sceptic to a revolutionary in the space of 3 episodes despite knowing he never had a chance at escape. This is the literal opposite of bland lol.
@@jamesu8033 I mean the actual character andor is bland
@@fionnleamy844 oh really? a character that is so engrained in the cause that he’s willing to kill one of the good guys to make sure the bad guys don’t wing when we first see him in Rogue One? You think that’s bland?
@@starwinters39 yes I do. Fir a show about andor his character receives not much development and little layering
Didn't like it. I watched the series 2x all the way through ... For me it was the dialog that I didn't like; which I guess is a critic of the writing. On my second time through the series there were too many times that I just had no idea what the characters were talking about ... Like I knew by the mood and often the background music something important was happening, but I just had no idea what the characters were talking about. Example ... the Senator. I know she's trying to raise money for the Rebellion, but other than that, what is she talking about?????? She seems to move from scene to scene, talking to multiple characters ... there's a sense of urgency, but I don't know why, what or who?? It's just this woman that is supposed to be important because? because? because? Well because she's in a lot of scenes? talking to alot of people? I don't know? I watched the series 2x .... I don't know if she ever even scored any funding? Did she? I mean did this woman ever even get money for the Rebellion? It felt like this boring character took up 20% of the screen time and for all I know she could have possibly never even accomplished her mission of trying to raise money. I give the series a C-
Sounds like it just wasn't for you.
Personally I loved that everything wasn't clumsily over-explained in clunky dialogue. Enough was said and then there was subtext and visual cues on top of that. You actually had to pay attention and think for yourself to keep up.
As a random example out of a thousand: The wall of worker gloves on Ferrix, indicating (fairly obviously) that this is a community of manual laborers, but also (subtext) that the community is so tight knit that people trust their gloves not to get stolen. And the best part: We don't get someone saying "look at all those gloves. Us Ferrixers really trust eachother. I love it here. Duh."
Also if you watched it twice and still just call her "the senator", maybe you didn't pay that much attention(?)
Dude can someone PLEASE tell me why EVERYONE hates the trilogy SOOOO MUCH ?? And hates Kenobi SOOOO much??? Dude its FUCKING STAR WARS , how do u not love everything star wars no matter what?! I love anything and everything star wars no matter what and ill die on that hill 10/10 times .
I judge stories based on how coherent they are, meaning that if they are filled with plot-holes, contrivances, illogical character decisions, character assassination, etc. Then chances are that I'm not going to like said media. I assume by "the trilogy" you are talking about the sequel trilogy, since that is the only trilogy I spoke negatively about in the video. But both the sequel trilogy, Kenobi, Mandalorian, and more are chalked to the brim full of problems. It's fine to like them, but there are objective flaws in them, and whether those objective flaws affect you or not is subjective. I loved Andor because of how competently written it was, and how well directed the show is.
I think you need to be more demanding of your franchise, especially one that can be as rich and deep as anything like The Lord of the Rings or Game of Thrones. For me all we had of live action Star WArs was the OT and had the expanded universe for the longest time. What Disney is giving us is whatever they can use to sell toys and just a ton of fan service or stuff that is just familiar to fans. For me, this gets old. Rogue One was the movie that expanded the universe and told the world they could explore and tell new stories set in the Star Wars universe. Much like Ridley Scott's Prometheus wanted to do but there was so much fan backlash he then delivered Covenant which was just all about the Alien and the fans hated that. I'm looking for new stories and characters that are told very well and probably more grounded in the SW universe.