Suwinski Hit by Throw on Double Play Attempt As He Didn't Slide into 2B...Is this Interference?
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- Опубликовано: 25 май 2023
- When Mariners shortstop JP Crawford's throw to first base hit Pirates runner R1 Jack Suwinski's shoulder because he didn't slide during a double play attempt, 2B Umpire Marvin Hudson ruled the play legal. Was it? Article: www.closecallsports.com/2023/...
Seattle manager Scott Servais argued with 2B Umpire Marvin Hudson that Suwinski should have been out for violating MLB's bona fide slide rule 6.01(j) because he failed to slide into second base. With replays indicating that Suwinski didn't slide at all and instead ran directly to and through the base, we have to examine professional baseball's slide interference rule to determine whether Servais was correct or not.
Official Baseball Rule 6.01(j), sliding to bases on double play attempts, states that interference occurs under the following circumstance: "If a runner does not engage in a bona fide slide, and initiates (or attempts to make) contact with the fielder for the purpose of breaking up a double play, they should be called for interference under this Rule 6.01."
However, replays indicate that while baserunner Suwinski didn't slide, neither did he initiate contact with the fielder. Under OBR, a runner is not obligated to slide on force plays. Instead, the only rule to get a double play here would be OBR 6.01(a)(5) and interference for retired runners: "Any batter or runner who has just been put out, or any runner who has just scored, hinders or impedes any following play being made on a runner. Such runner shall be declared out for the interference of their teammate."
However, the comment to the rule also states, "If the batter or a runner continues to advance or returns or attempts to return to his last legally touched base after they have been put out, he shall not by that act alone be considered as confusing, hindering or impeding the fielders."
Thus, under OBR, Suwinski's shoulder-ball interaction is not illegal and an interference no-call is the correct call.
Under NCAA, however, Suwinski would be guilty of interference and if this was a college game, Marcano declared out for a double play: "On any force play, the runner, in the vicinity of the base, must slide on the ground before the base and in a direct line between the two bases. It is permissible for the slider’s momentum to carry them through the base in the baseline extended."
As for NFHS, the high school rulebook states, "Simply stated, the runner never has to slide," going onto state that if the runner does slide, said runner is bound by the force play slide rule in use under NCAA's ruleset.
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I love Jomboy for his lip reading, but I love you guys for the rules. I come away so much smarter watching you.
If you love jomboy you have NO LIFE
Agreed, there's not much to disagree with her about since she cites the rules.
Are you telling me there are announcers out there who do not know the rules for the game that they broadcast? That cannot be right! lol
Coaches do not know the rules, and you expect the announcers to know?
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Sounds like the Mariners hired a rugby guy, so...
The way you breakdown these videos and show the rules quoted straight out of the book is like no other channels on RUclips 👏👏👏
And as a Chicago Cubs fan, the Pirates getting away with this is some bullsheeeit.
How is it BS when you just agreed with the rule?
@@alanhess9306 it's a joke.
They're winking at camera as they go full partial fan (partial being the opposite of impartial).
It was 100% legal. He didn't shift out of his path, he didn't throw up his hands, he didn't try to hit the shortstop, he didn't stop in the path of the ball, he just took one more step.
@@jayseaborg3895 bush league though - Crawford just needs to throw at his face next time. Not illegal if you're in the path of course.
@@alanhess9306 Because the Pirates are in my division buckwheat, obviously anything that benefits them I'm not going to like. I don't think that was to difficult to figure out
Right... I was always taught "You don't have to slide, but you do risk getting drilled with the ball if you don't get out of the way." So basically a risk/reward potentially geting drilled in the grill by the SS or 2B making the turn.
Awesome breakdown Lindsay - GREAT video as always.
This might be my new favorite channel. I love your in depth breakdowns. Awesome job!
doesnt have to slide and the runner did not attempt to impede, he just ran through and is fine. Great breakdown
agreed, the defender should have made a better throw instead of that wild sidearm crap.
I recall, back in the day, commentators that had played professional baseball, would explain that the throw from the shortstop would be side arm and low to “force“ the runner to slide. If the runner did not slide, the ball would end up on the runners nose. I can’t point you to a video that shows this throw, but it must have happened at some point or the experienced commentator would not have described it.
Even at the level I played at in Slopitch the rule was slide or get out of the way. I threw sidearm to first base so the runner always slid.
The comment on the Pittsburgh broadcast was made by a former MLB Player, I believe that was John Wehner who pointed out the no slide rule
@@djcl4967 Yes it was. The players policed themselves. There was always an explanation of the unwritten rules of baseball when an incident would occur.
@@Mattywill29 The comment on the Seattle broadcast was also made by a former MLB Player - Ryan Rowland-Smith.
I'm an old dog but thats the way we were taught drop the arm down and throw and if he doesnt slide well thats on him. He wont get the courtesy next time of a shoulder shot. Like you said the players will take care of it.
Looking back at that Boston - NY highlight you showed… I would teach my players if they are a base runner on first base and it’s an obvious double play to always turn around and slide back in to first or maybe even run back to first standing up. Seems like that it perfectly legal and the runner would often get in the way of the play at first.
The rule doesn't allow for that. What it allows for is a runner continuing through a base they were already running to or retreating to a previously occupied base not realizing they've already been put out. If it was clear you know you were already put out and then just turned around and went back to block first base to prevent a throw they would absolutely call you for interference.
I think it should be reviewable, in case the runner moved into the throw. But if they did review it, in this case, with how rules are written, the call would stand.
Runner establishes his basepath
@@Subangelis did Cole Calhoun establish his base path when he headbutted that ball?
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@@Subangelis Exeptions apply, such as veering away from your previously established lane to try to interfere with an infielder (which did not happen here).
@@Subangelisit’s not a rundown and there is no base path.
@@rayray4192 A. Where did even say ANYTHING about a rundown? That's right, I didn't.
There absolutely is a base path. It was established long before he was out.
Great analysis and breakdown for each level.
Slight correct, the runner does not HAVE to slide in NCAA. They can peel off to either side away from the fielder as opposed to sliding.
This channel came out of nowhere to me. It's really good.
Thanks for the clarification i don't think I have ever seen an mlb runner do that before
I always learn something new here. Thanks.
No slide rule in MLB level, but most players do because runner doesn't want to get hit with thrown ball.
Teams want their players to slide here too because they have invested millions and don't want a player to take a 90 mph throw to the face.
@@Azagthoth12 In the lower levels high school college most defense players will be hesitant to throw at player not sliding.
This is why middle infielders used to make it standard operating procedure to line the throw up to first directly at the runner's face. The first time they catch one in the teeth they'll be getting down every single time after that.
Bullshit
Superb explanation Lindsay!
NCAA - Force play slide rules applies IF a runner elects to slide and talks about how the slide must be performed... But there is NOT a requirement to slide if there is a force play in NCAA.
My understanding of the NFHS FPSR is that yes, the runner is not required to slide, but if in not sliding, the runner alters or impedes/interferes with the fielder in making a play, then you have a violation; That is why a runner is taught to veer away from the fielder if they are not going to slide to avoid interfering with the throw in any way. Penalty would be both R1 and BR are out, ball is dead, all other runners return to base they occupied at time of pitch. If this video were a High School game, I would have a violation of the FPSR with both the BR and R1 being out.
Am I understanding this rule correctly? thanks!
You ask the most important question and no one answered you that I can see. The NCAA made it simple and their umpires got way too strict with the rule. In a high school game we have to define altering a play. If a high school player on a force play simply runs straight to a base ruling he altered a play is a strict interpretation of the force play slide rule. I watch the feet and if the runner moves toward the defensive player I have interference- if he runs straight to the base I have nothing. The high school rule book should be more detailed.
That Yankees/Red Sox play is egregious. Baseball has so many unwritten rules that make no sense, and then they have bush league rules like this written into the books. A very convoluted game.
to be fair, the seattle broadcaster is australian - inexplicably
That's a former Mariners player, Ryan Rowland Smith. I'd say that he knows a fair bit about baseball.
@@matthewoakley7702 actually players know nothing or almost nothing about rules.
Lol😂
@@rayray4192 EXACTLY
With the Yankees - Red Sox example being legal it seems like teams would try that more often as an offensive tactic.
Middle infielders used to have a way of dealing with runners who wouldn't slide. They would aim the throw at the runner's head, and surprise, surprise. He would get out of the way every time. By rule the runner doesn't have to slide, and the fielder doesn't have to try and avoid hitting the runner in the face with the ball. They used to teach middle infielders to make the runner get down. If you don't try to avoid hitting him, he'll get down.
At least at the younger levels the days of being able to throw a ball hard into someone face on purpose are gone. You'll be out of the league. Maybe you can intentionally do this in college or MLB, but I haven't seen it. Seems like a sure way to get hated. In the MLB at least just step clear and throw.
I’ve always wondered about this! Always thought it wasn’t the runner’s job to slide and make the 2nd baseman’s job easier to throw, though obviously it’s hurt a ton to get pegged right in the face
**RULE REQUEST VIDEO?!?!
Is it possible you could do a review on the braves game where 1b tried to make tag on runner but dropped ball after contact with runner or runner knocking ball out of fielders glove.
Man that would hurt like hell but great breakdown and smart decision by the runner!
Smart? I would say lucky it hit his shoulder and not his face.
@@RetiredBrass well will probably see more runners getting smoked in the face if they're going to run the bases like this
Back in the day, when players played for peanut scraps, you'd better slide, or the ball WOULD be in your face.
Per the college rules specification of “in the vicinity of the bag” could you just stop and stand halfway in between first and second? Or slow down at least
On the NCAA rule, there has to be some kind of clause about the force play being a close play, doesn't there? As written, if the batter hits a ball into the gap, a runner on first would need to slide into second before he can get up and continue to third. It's been a while since I've seen a college game, but I'm pretty sure I've never seen a grand slam where the runners were all sliding into second, third, and home at the same time.
I love these explanations - so good! Virtually all the time when I learn about the real nitty gritty of a baseball rule I say to myself “yeah, that does make sense”. But not this one. I realize it is the rule and the explanation here is perfectly correct. It is just a really dumb rule. Being able to gallop around on the base paths (in either direction no less) and get in the way of things AFTER being put out makes absolutely no sense. MLB should change this.
But, as I said, great explanation of the rule as it exists.
Excellent
I do have to give credit to the Pirates runner because he stayed in the base path and did not physically interfere with the fielder. The best argument I can make for interference is that the runner sticks his right arm and shoulder out a little bit when the throw is made.
There is also noticeable difference in the running motion with the left and right arms while approaching the base. According to the rules this is a tough call and is certainly a grey area with some umpire discretion and judgment involved.
The umpires in the Holliday play didn't no-call it because of the rule. Truth is, the comment on rule 6.01(a)(5) didn't include a runner returning to the base. That's why it was protested and amended the following season.
Was it really? What season was it added? I’m on a intense debate with someone over this and this would really help my point.
@@DreamMachineX The play happened in 2017. The rule was amended in 2018 to include "or returning"
In all levels of baseball, the rule is the same. The runner has the right to the basepath in a legitimate attempt to touch the bag and be safe. Anything he does to legitimately touch the bag is not interference. Except for the catcher in some recently changed limited circumstances, the fielder has to stay out of the basepath, avoid contact, and cannot take the base path away from the runner until he has the ball in his hand. He then can tag the base for a force out or tag the runner. Here tag the bag. When he does the runner is out and no rules that apply to runners now apply because the runner is now a retired runner. Any act performed by the runner while he was still the runner, are the consequences of his being a legal runner. In an attempt to make a follow up play, a double play, the fielder is OBLIGATED to avoid the runner or recently retired runner, to make the double play. The shortstop doesn't avoid hitting the recently retired runner in this play. He throws the ball right at the retired runner. Either as the runner or the retired runner, the runner does Not do another act to impede the shortstop from attempting to make the double play. You don't see the shortstop taking an extra jump step to get around the recently retired runner and the retired runner, making (initiating) another move or taking another action to impede or attempt to impede the fielder AFTER the fielder performs an act to avoid hitting the runner with the ball in his attempt to make the double play. The rule is, did the runner, while still a runner, perform an act outside of a legal act to touch the base, or did the recently, retired runner perform an additional act to attempt to impede the fielder. Disregarding any consequential contact occurring after the runner is retired and is now a retired runner. The college rule doesn't say that a retired runner is required to slide. The college rule is addressing a close play at the force out bag to avoid a collision to avoid injury. If the college runner is out by several steps, he is a retired runner and he does not have to slide, but he still cannot as a retired runner make an additional move to impede the fielder's play. It is still the fielder's duty to avoid contact with the recently retired runner, who just had the right to the basepath. Also, no college runner is required to slide into first base, in contradiction to the not-so-well-written- and somewhat confusing rule. The purpose of that rule was to eliminate violent contact in a college game during a close play. At no time does the rule state that the fielder does not have the obligation to respect the runner's basepath while the runner is still a runner. The same is true in high school. Except for the fact in college, that the runner has to slide, the high school runner, can avoid sliding, but he cannot perform an act while still a runner that does not designed to reach the base to be safe, and he cannot perform any act after being retired, not a consequence of the legal acts as a runner, to prevent the fielder from making the throw, after the fielder has already avoided the runner and recently retired runner. The rule is the same. The basepath belongs to the runner. Avoid the runner when you are trying to make the follow up play. Here the fielder could have easily avoided the runner - and there was plenty of time to do so - but chose to throw the ball right at him when he was merely in the motion of being a runner - recently retired.
I didnt realize the college had a "have to" slide rule. Important to know the rules for the league youre in.
I dont have a problem with the mlb rule; however, the runner better realize it's his fault if he gets hit with the throw.
I think that's fair, yeah
There is no must slide rule.
I was watching this game live when this occured. Another example of ex players/analysts/broadcasters speaking out of emotion and "homerism" versus knowing the rules. Thanks always for your clarifications and making it known from Little League to Major league, rules differ.
so why ever slide? you should just run straight up and try to block the throwing lane. What a joke
@J.D. Exactly. Sliding started so they WOULDN'T get it in the teeth. Then, it became "tradition" to slide. The rules change to protect the "investments."
It doesn't apply on the college rule either. The rule doesn't say that you MUST slide. It just describes the manner in which you must slide if you do. If it was intended to say that you must slide on any force play the sentence would end there and then a new sentence would begin to expound on the manner in which you must slide. If your reading of the college rule was correct then you would be forced to slide into every base on every force play, including first base.
There is never a force at first base.
As a middle infielder, you’re taught to not be in line with the runner while making the throw so that this doesn’t happen
The Red Sox/Yankee one makes no sense, as the "not interference" happened such a long time after the runner was out at 2nd. So basically according to rules, if I know that I'm about to get forced out at 2nd, I can just turn around and go back to 1st. If they try to turn the double play, as long as I stay in the baseline, I can get in the way legally. Even if it's well after I have been called out. It makes absolutely no sense
Wouldn't it be wonderful if broadcasters for any sport actually required the commentators to know and understand the rules!!!
Well technically both knew rules one just knew a college rule.
like half the people here don't know the rules either
They might have known the rules but chose to use commentary in favor of the team they are broadcasting for. If the commentators commentated correctly but the umpires got it wrong in favor of their team, they would probably get a lot of backlash from their fans.
@@tls5870 Well yea, they're called homers for a reason. It's the commentator's job to be on their team's side. No fan is going to cheer against their team. We can all admit this is a hole in the rule that should be filled in. Similar to the college rule.
What's the difference between this and Aaron Judge in Milwaukee? Lindsey said he should have been called on it
I've always thrown it right at the runners face when throwing to first for a double play. If they want to interfere with a throw to break up a double play then they'll need to get stitches for it
Noted. If the runner is in the way, throw the ball at the runner’s face.
Seek therapy psycho
Watch that lead to retaliation at the thrower's next at-bat.
So is this an error on the throw?
The number of people in this comments section advocating throwing a baseball at someone's face is a bit concerning...
Bit concerning? More than a bit.
The Mariners pitcher should not throw the ball at anyone.
That’s just baseball. You don’t want to get hit then you slide…especially since there is no rule stating you must slide. If you’re gonna man up and take a throw to the face or chest then that’s on you, otherwise slide😂
Now I’m not implying you should try to hit the guy on purpose every time😂 but, if he doesn’t slide and it hits him in the face it’s on him for not sliding….he will slide next time guaranteed 😂😂
That’s the way we did it back in the 1960s and 1970s because runners coming from first would not slide and throw their hands up to distract the fielder. The solution was to throw at their head so they would get out of the way. In all my years of playing shortstop, I never hit a runner. They always got out of the way. This is a man’s game. It’s not for pussies.
That is the attitude of the majors. At the college level you have the force play slide rule to prevent the situation from even coming up, but at the professional level the attitude is that the players can endanger themselves if they think it beneficial.
If you choose not to slide you do so knowing the risks, and you know the opposing team knows that they can throw it in your face...
I’m grabbing this interference call in NFHS all day.
That would be a correct call. This is FPSR in HS. You have to read the first part of the rule. The never required to slide part really just is in reference to them having to slide legally. This is what they do NOT want in HS baseball, they are trying not to have injuries so the runner has the option at this point to either slide or to peel away, which is correct he doesn't have to slide but he has to get out of the way.
It is a judgement call.
I would have called him for interference because by definition, interference does not have to have a player raise their arms or hands/or deviate their running path. And you know that he deliberately did not move out of the way to allow them to make the double play. A runner wanting to not interfere would have ran to the left knowing they were already put out. He ran upright and through the base.
You would be wrong to call the runner out for interference. Interference with a thrown ball must be an intentional act. Merely running to the base is not illegal, he does not need to move out of the way for the fielder.
Just got this after the judge blocking a double play throw with his hands. Brewers Yankees 4/28. Player safe at first and my scores 7
After a runner reaches first base, is he allowed to load up on protective equipment, like a catcher's face mask and chest protector? Then he could more easily pull off this move.
Harper doesn’t even get enough time to put on an elbow protector. So under today’s rules that probably won’t happen.
Technically the runner was in his lane.
What lane?
Then a second baseman can purposely throw the ball at the runner every time to get an out. Forget about making the throw to first. Just hit the runner and call interference. No interference.
except 99% of the time, the runner going to 2nd either slides or avoids the throw. IMO, this opens up a big can of worms for those trying to deceive the rule(like the Yanks player sliding back into 1st base)
Yeah, where is the rule they were MAKING UP about having to get out of the way?? Huh, he's a baserunner running to the base!
This is correct you do not need to slide. This is why I was thought to throw it right at the runners face. Price to pay for not sliding.
Didn't your league have unsportsmanlike conduct rules? If you start throwing balls at runners who are running where they should with the intention of injuring them you are QUICKLY going to get either ejected or plonked a few times (maybe right in face) by the other team.
Love these comments calling for blood - "hit him in the face!" How about the SS clears the base path and completes the DP?
Or since the runner is already out maybe he can get out of the way?
What you suggest costs the SS precious time and outs.
The runner is not required to slide, but if he does on a double play attempt he must be within the rules. There was a time when the pivot man at 2B would throw down the baseline to 1B with the intent of hitting you in the forehead with the ball if you did not get out of the way. This isn't HS or college ball. No runner is required to slide at any base in MLB.
There is no "In the throwing path" defined in baseball I believe. There is a base path, and the runner was clearly still in it. If the runner had intentionally moved in a way to block the throw, that would be interference.
And because of that possibility, I think it should be reviewable. Correct call on the field this time, but if a runner put up a hand or something, that should be reviewable.
@@ingiford175 I don't necessarily disagree. However, there is an umpire watching the play at second. If that happened, I would hope they would see it.
As an Englishman and lover of cricket that has just started watching baseball it seems strange that the runners have to always give way to the fielders even if there running in straight lines i get it if there changing there running direction angle but just running from second to thrid and the running pattern doesnt change and it hits him hes automatically out seems really unfair to the batters side but anyway like i said loving watching have a good day
As this play showed, the runner isn't automatically out if he keeps his line. He was out on the force out.
A runner must avoid a fielder attempting to field a batted ball but does not need to alter his path to avoid a thrown ball.
Fantastic video.
However I do believe NFHS wants this called as a FPSL violation.
I don't believe that's necessarily correct....but I bet more people would call it than not😉⚾️
@@metzilla I'll have to check the official NFHS interpretation. I thought they put a video out a few years back about this
@Aaron Haning I will find it but I believe it's a retired runner interfering... I do not believe there is a note allowing a retired runner to continue running the bases
It's 100% a violation in NFHS and NCAA.
This is FPSR in HS. You have to read the first part of the rule. The never required to slide part really just is in reference to them having to slide legally. This is what they do NOT want in HS baseball, they are trying not to have injuries so the runner has the option at this point to either slide or to peel away, which is correct he doesn't have to slide but he has to get out of the way.
Shortstop needs to do a better job and not sidearm it at the runner.
Moving left to right he's lower body isn't pivoting in a way that isn't suitable for a normal throw. If would be different if he was moving north to south. Plus he was probably thinking the runner would slide.
@@FoxtasticGaming So his body is pivoting in a way that is suitable for a normal throw?
@@spencertegtmeyer6525 No, he's not able to step straight toward the base to make a north to south throw. So he has to sidearm throw since his footing is more angled toward the outfield
Bit of wiggle room here……I would say he’s out because he didn’t continue TOWARDS the next legal base. That isn’t written into the rule but could certainly be challenged in the spirit of the rule. If he’s advancing to third he doesn’t get hit, of course the fielders should have changed his release point upon seeing the runner…..
why would he continue anywhere? He was out already
A similar non call on a blatant interference by the runner directly changed the outcome of the 1978 World Series.
Wow, that is a blatantly terribly written rule. The Yankees example is even more egregious. Just ew.
What's the rule in Little League Majors (12 year olds)? I believe they follow OBR.
The forced slide rule is pointless because of the runner sees he’s going to be forced out he could keep running slowly at the base then “slide” right before getting to the base.
Is it just me or does it seem as though every rule falls with the “6.0”? (insert alphanumerics here)
I like the rule in the case of the Pirate runner. Dude was just doing what he would normally been doing had the ball not been there.
But I don't like the rule in regards to the Yankees runner. It makes no sense for the runner to run back to first base in this context unless he in attempting to interfere.
so he normally would run through the base into left field?
@@mptr1783 Sure, if he was out on a force play at second and the second basemen wasn't throwing it to first, it wouldn't be strange for him to continue running while slowing his speed.
@@joecommenter1332 I misread your statement, my bad. Listen, the runner did the smart thing and didnt break any rule. My point is that MLB should adopt the NCAA rule. No way this shouldnt be interference(whether intentional or unintentional), but its legal in todays MLB
That ball was never going to make 1st base, it was going to end up 20ft down the line anyway.
You should keep track of which broadcasting crews know the actual rules and which are the most ignorant.
looks like the Pirates crew got it right........and one of them sounded like he was from Australia.......even sadder that HE knew the rule and most of the US announcers rarely know whats going on lol
Servais does not seem to know the rules to the game very well.
The note states "by that act alone" implying the continuing of running or returning to a previous base. But it wasn't that act alone in this play, it was his continued running AND being hit by the ball isn't it?
The runner didn't hit himself with the ball, the fielder hit him. So you would then have to go onto the rules about "runner touched by a thrown ball", which is 5.09(b)(3) (Making an Out - Retiring A Runner) which states that it's only interference if it's intentional or hinders a fielder attempting to make a play on a batted ball. Which in this case was neither of those things, it wasn't intentional interference, and the rule shown on the screen during this video 6.01(a)(5) says that he's allowed to run the bases even if out and can't be called for hindering when doing so.
@@bigpoppa1234 this was fucking intentional yankee are cheating legally
@@bigpoppa1234 Ummmmm, I would argue that standing up and running thru 2nd base towards left field is intentional lol
@@mptr1783 that only happened after he got hit by the throw (also he's allowed to do that).
while legal standing up going in, i guarantee you 100% he will be replacing teeth the next time he tries that.
And the player who throws a ball AT a runner running in the base path with intent to cause injury may be looking at a very short MLB career plus is going to get absolutely plonked by the other team. You can't throw balls at people running where they should and are allowed to be running.
@@randominternet5586 ya, i know, this game today is so wussified. incidents like this don't teach anything. the old way at least taught the runner to get down or get out of the way when so obviously out.
Was it pointed out to the Pittsburgh announcers that they were wrong, and that they should be embarrassed to be professional announcers and broadcast their egregious error to the world?
the Seattle announcer was wrong, the Pittsburgh announcers were correct. Try to pay attention.
but did Scott Servais get his money's worth?
Reminds me of Reggie Jackson letting himself get hit in the arm after getting forced out at second base in the World Series against the Dodgers.
The Reggie Jackson play was intentional interference, you can see him move into the path of the throw. He should have been called for interference, but wasn't. This runner in this video did not violate a rule so the ruling is completely different.
The comment in 601a5 refers to “his last legally touched base” which in this case is first base, isnt it?
there are a lot more parts to that sentence before what you quoted. read it from the beginning
The SS did a poor job. Period.
dangerous precedent to set for pitt here, next time this happens to the seattle shortstop the runners gonna get that ball in the teeth
Is that broadcaster Aussie?
Yes. It's former Mariners Pitcher Ryan Rowland-Smith
@@fitzwateraustralia59aus16 crazy. Thanks
@@a_badali no problem. Cheers
Thats why the short stop should throw at the head, he will slide, old school baseball
Rules, like records, are made to be broken.
Why should the runner slide? What if he thinks he can make 3rd base?
He was already out and he knew it,..... that's why he didn't slide
@@metzilla bingo....amazing how many comments fail to mention the dude was OUT already. Stands up, runs thru the bag and towards leftfield....yeah, thats not intentional interference lol. He knew exactly what he was doing and was rewarded for it. Guarantee MLB will change this rule to the NCAA rule just to speed up the game more lol
@@mptr1783 The runner did nothing illegal and the rule will not be changed.
@@alanhess9306Alan, I certainly respect your opinions, but I guess we'll see what MLB does with something like this. How can you be in favor of allowing a retired runner to run, standing up right into the path of a throw? Not saying youre wrong, just that I don't agree with you on this one
@@mptr1783 I cannot have interference because Suwinski did not violate a rule. Interference with a thrown ball must be intentional. The middle infielder needs to find a way to throw without hitting the runner.
Runner at first is safe
The runner is entitled to the running lane, is he not? If such is the case, therefore, the runner didn't violate the fielder's lane; the fielder violated the runner's lane. Therefore, no interference.
but hes not a runner anymore...hes a retired runner.....big difference IMO
@@mptr1783 What's he supposed to do? Get beamed out of there by Scotty? He has the right to the lane.
@@williammaddock9179 you are correct, under todays MLB rules, the runner did nothing wrong. My point is that the rule is just dumb. Whats he supposed to do? Its called slide or veer away from the throw. Just like 99% of baserunners do. If this becomes a trend, you can bet your bottom dollar MLB will change the rule
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The Runner is already out, so he's not under obligation to slide.....just follow through to the base he was attempting to reach, and leave the field.
If he altered his path to the base, or raised his arms, or jumped at the fielder.....that is clear interference. This was completely the fielders bust on this one.
I'm sure the next time Crawford is in this situation, hell just go ahead and wing the ball right at the Runners face.....and then you' ll see runners sliding in with their arms covering their faces
Why blame the base runner, blame the fielder.
@@mikecumbo7531 not his bag anymore he shouldn't be on the feild of play he already out.
Crawford is not a psychopath
@@critter2 until the play is over and he can leave the field the player has to be somewhere, right? Even an out runner at either first or third base and who step over the foul line still can be part of a play if the defense has issues throwing or catching the ball. The issue in this play was that the defensive player threw the ball poorly. The out runner didn’t do anything to cause this.
@@critter2 By rule, the runner continuing to run is not interference.
I guess my issue here is the inconsistency within the rules, themselves. You aren't allowed to run inside the 1B line on a bunt attempt, but this is perfectly fine. Something seems off about that.
The fielder on second base has more room to throw from, he can move anywhere where he doesn’t hit the runner. First baseman is more limited, has to stay on the base and has to give a target for the throw so can’t do much if the runner gets in the way of the throw.
Not illegal to run inside the baseline to first base. It’s illegal to interfere.
@@rayray4192 interfere? You mean get hit with the ball? 🙂
@@MH3GL your statement is incorrect, an error. “ You aren’t allowed to run inside the 1B line on a bunt attempt,…” No rule in the game of baseball stating you aren’t allowed to run inside the baseline on a bunt attempt. Words have meaning and context is everything.
@@MH3GL running out of the running lane is not illegal
Those are literally the worst uniforms, Seattle's wearing, that I've ever seen. Looking like clowns.
The runner from first, after being thrown out on a double play ball, sliding back into first is an obvious interference call. At the least it is a runner running the bases in reverse order to confuse the defense. He's out. Or he should have been out. Oops!
Nope, MLB already decided the runner was not guilty of interference.
@@alanhess9306 They got it wrong on this one.
@@robertbrown7470 That's your opinion, but since you don't understand the rule, your opinion means nothing. They didn't get it wrong. Did you not listen to the explanation given in the video?
@@alanhess9306 I understand the rule and the other rules that were not discussed which I mentioned. The ruling from NY was wrong, it was frankly ridiculous. If you let things like that happen and go along with it and condone it, you'll get more of the same because other players will try that crap.
@@alanhess9306 It's the same idea where a runner is called out at 2nd base after being muscled off the bag. It goes to NY and even after they see the replay clearing showing this, they go along with the out call. Bad idea, bad ruling. If they didn't get more of the same after that, they're lucky.
As a shortstop Id definitely not throw on the baseline and have a better controlled throw to first. :)
Is this interference? Nope. Is it an automatic double play in every softball league I've ever been in? You bet it is. Please slide or veer to the 3rd base side for everyones sake. I dont get access to the best healthcare and painkillers money can buy like the big leaguers do. Thanks.
It’s not illegal but it’s 100% greasy. Just another way teams can be dickheads to try and win. The pirates seem to be the only ones willing to be sleezeballs…
I'm really struggling with the interpretation here per the MLB rule. I will ask some of my MLB umpire friends for my benefit. JuCo, NCAA are spot on. As far as the comment regarding the NFHS slide rule, you don't have to slide, but you better get out of the way. Contact, impedance or hindrance, at least in Arizona will draw all interference call all day long. JS
What is unclear here? The comment on the rule literally states if the runner continues to advance they can't be considered as impeding the fielders. That's pretty black and white, especially for a game that has so many rules that are up to the interpretation of the umpire.
@@JoRyGu this has nothing to do with advancing this has to do with retring runner effecting a play who already out
I’ve been calling this action interference in high school. It’s not the way the game is played. It’s altering the pattern of play, confusing and hindering the fielder. If I’m wrong I’m changing my view.
I have inference in Federation ball. Running through second base is not the way the game is played. @@critter2
@@JoRyGu What is unclear is the video's HS statement that "the runner never has to slide". @joe2lank is acknowledging this is technically true in the DP situationhere, BUT that he had better veer out of the way , or he is OUT.
It says 2 outs already
Great analysis, I guess I would direct my SS to throw it at the runners face next time. Problem solved.
Seek therapy
My guess is that if the runner made a hard slide and took out the SS, Seattle would have complained about that too. I think its a good calll by the umps
well, theres a rule for that so Seattle wouldve been correct to complain if that happened and wasnt called
Next time throw the ball right at his head. Then he will get out of the way next time.
The base runner determines the base path . It is not his job to get out of the way of the throw . And it’s obvious he didn’t attempt to get in the way he was just running through the bag .
The fielder needs to step out to make his throw . Just a mistake
There was no attempt to interfere, and he maintained his baseline. He can't be expected to stop on a dime like that. In fact, I'd (5%) wonder if the second baseman was trying to draw a call.
Good explanation, though.
Mariners should get the Double Play as a runner not sliding interferes with path of the throw..the rule should be a Runner hs to slide at least 2 steps from base.....if runner does not slide he can not get in the path of throw which he did by getting hit
No breaking up double plays has always been part of baseball. the NCAA can fuck off with that slide rule shit.
next time throw the ball at the runners cup and i bet he slides the next that happens
"The answer depends on what level" ugh, stupid, something as basic as "does a runner have to get out of the way if they are called out, or are they entitled to continue on the line to the next base and it's on the fielders not to hit him with a thrown ball" shouldn't depend on what level you're at. Another example of baseballs dumb rulebook problems.
And my view would be that it should be up to the fielder to avoid them as long as the runner hasn't done anything unusual/actively attempted to get in the way.
if they are retrired this should be out of the way so i disagree with this damn rule 100%
With replay, you *have* to allow retired runners to continue or return to their base as long as they don’t do anything else to interfere. You have to be able to play like an umpire’s call might get overturned. Maybe you challenge that the foot wasn’t on the base.
And there absolutely must be different rules at different levels of baseball. Do you want MLB to hit off a tee or from coaches toss? Or force 4 year olds to live pitch?
You could maybe argue that College doesn’t need different rules, but High School and below definitely do.
@@andrecanis4894 and that a runner doesn't necessarily know he's out or not, that other example shown in this video the runner obviously thought the ball was caught on the fly, which negates a force play and so he turned around because it was the only way he might avoid being out. or you might miss an umpire signal (or the umpire gives the wrong one or misses a call which is later overturned by discussion with the other umpires). I think it's the only fair way to allow a runner to continue.
@@bigpoppa1234 yet the runner ran thru 2nd base and into left field. How do you defend him if you think he thought he wasnt out?
@@mptr1783 he's allowed to do it is the answer so that's how you 'defend' him (also that it wouldn't always be that way in every example).