I feel like when Obito talks about Rin he is talking about not only her, but also the innocent people in the shinobi world like her, and that they should not die. Her death caused him to realize that.
Many of villains were right pain was right about the cycle of hatred madrara was right about the shnobi system being hell zabuza was right about shnobi being used by thier village and people and neji was right about destiny they had a better understanding about life than naruto his too naive and idealistic
Obito will always be my favorite character. I felt sort of similar to some of the haters back in the day when the manga was being released. Over time though and after rereading and finally watching Shippuden his entire character really started to resonate and make sense to me.
the thing is, based on the role he had it makes sense that some fans will hate him, but I see the double standards in defending Nagato & Gaara and then hating Obito
I connect with Obito so much because in a sense he saw himself/the show showed him as the main character, like a second Naruto. But he received a harsh slap in the face that he is not the main character. And no you don’t naturally get the things you want as you grow up
having a love for battles is not a trait of evil i doubt you'd call goku evil because he " always seeks for battles " according Merriam Webster selfish is defined as "concerned excessively or exclusively with oneself" Madara was most defenitly not only concerned for himself that completely runs contrary to the plan of the infinite tsukuyomi if he was only concerned exclusively for himself he wouldn't bother with it because that impacts the rest of the world. I do admit that there is some selfishness in not giving anyone else a say in the matter seeing as it concerns their lives but thats a different thing entirely. I will agree that he is very self centred, self centred as defined by Merriam Webster is: "concerned solely with one's own desires, needs, or interests" Madara is self centred because he didn't care about stuff like putting the rinnegan in Nagato what effects that could have same with orchestrating Rin's death. Also his reason for the infinite tsukuyomi clearly distinguishes himself from people that are "pure evil" his reason for going through with it was so that no one would have to suffer as he did during his youth, seeing the horrors of the shinobi world.
I will say that Obito had some sense when he started the 4th Great Ninja War. I’m pretty sure he would know that only the most experienced Shinobi from the Five Great Nations would fight him; not the inexperienced ones, who are still back in their villages for security purposes. And definitely, he would know that none of the ninjas from the smaller villages would join. This war to end all wars isn’t as flawed as one might think because only a small portion of the entire world’s population is being sacrificed to launch the Infinite Tsukuyomi.
And also the third component that people tend to downplay too hyphen the fact that half of his body was crushed. Just because he was healed with hashirama cells doesn't mean he made some sort of full recovery to exactly how he was. He was stronger in the end but that doesn't mean it didn't have to do with the way he thought. They broke his body and his mind
It’s true that there’s still new enemies for shinobi world but remember obito say Naruto your life on future well be suffering but never come back on your words means don’t gave up
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The true peace that come at Naruto it come because of obito actions that force the shinobi world to be unit the exist of an one enemy for all nations made nations work together and stop fight each other and understand each other and focus on protect there peace and revenge against akatski
Nah, Obito was without a doubt still wrong even though I can see the reason behind his actions. Regardless you don't get to dictate how anyone chooses to live their lives. If everyone wanted the infinite tsukyomi and Naruto stood against it, then Naruto will be the villain. The only thing that can somewhat justify obito's plan is if he were the god of the Naruto world who created everyone of them, then he can choose to do what he wants with his creations, but since he's just a mere mortal like the rest, what authority does he have to decide their fate. What is rather sad is that more people didn't buy into the idea of project tsukyomi other than kisame and Madara. And maybe it's because Obito didn't preach it to more people before declaring the war. Also it's not a good plan at all if the progression of humanity as a whole is to be considered. Everyone living in there means no procreation. Humanity is left at a standstill forever. Not future generations, no advance in technology. So yeah, even if the infinite tsukyomi worked as stated, it's still very villainous of Obito to think he can force people into it
And if the otsutsuki were going to come and try to take the planet eventually, you would be handing the earth over like nothing, with no one to protect it. No boruto, no future savior coming. just stuck in time
@@IIIISaibut everyone lose lose sacrifice lose it literally an entire cycle of hate and pain and suffering people go so far abandoned there humanity literally the project set for perfect world but it was still wrong since the actions were inhuman to reach this project but man saying not everyone weak is like ignoring the weak who suffer from all of this
@@IIIISaiyes like when nagato asked naruto how will bring peace he said I don't know how but I will somehow magically find the answer the same thing happened when kurama asked naruto how can he be so sure when failed to bring sasuke back naruto I don't know how but I will somehow find a way to bring sasuke back that is main problem with naruto character he doesn't have any real solutions or answer to problems he just thinks that problems will magically be solved his way of thinking don't work in real life kishimoto himself said that naruto is too naive and idealistic
@@IIIISai yes the problem is the make naruto the perfect savior that doesn't have human flaws naruto is kind and selfless and brave and forgiving he even forgive obito who killed his parents and called him the coolest guy because he had the same dream as him ever that makes naruto seem carzy naruto being 100 percent good makes him boring and unrealistic he no longer feels like a human being with flaws
Naruto prove the successful of path obito failed follow and obito see rin want him indirectly be uchiha obito lead obito betray madara ideals despite my knowledge I need still watch Naruto step by step without skipping
They were not right if you want to reach a good place you have to follow good do good. You cannot use force. If the path is evil then its a dillusion. People will do anything and say this is the truth. When obito was killing innocent people he should have realize that. Either he was dumb . Or completely braindead.
@@JuubiTazI knew Madara was behind Rin's death as no shinobi village is stupid to kidnap a foreign shinobi and seal their tailed beast into them as a trojan horse. Madara shouldn't have revealed his true identity to Obito during his rehab and do all that stuff to Rin.
Lets get one thing straight, homie is stuck in the past and cant get over grief, his own problem and his solution is escapism which is crucified in real life mind you, and them he forces others to join him, its literally morally impossible to agree with this, not optimal for one but also he cant force others wills and to make it worse its escapism , I dont hate the character or madara but their goal to me is weird, projecting too much, its like a dishonest version of pain, pain said you hurt me I hurt you, Obito is more like I was hurt so you guys will cope with me? Sorta, sasuke was also like this but the real life version not dream world, so even sasukes is flawed but atleast his was not escapism and he targeted leaders aside from naruto, im saying this before I watched the video but yea no hate to the character but very odd goal, him and madara are just scared of heII
You're right, it is escapism, but the idea was that the shinobi world was always gonna be chaos & hell for most of its inhabitants always suffer, so would it be really that bad to opt out for the Infinite Tsukoyomi? I always saw it as a fight between optimism & pessimism, Madara & Obito believed that shinobi world is bound to be filled with misfortune, they believed that the Tsukinome world was the only way to true peace.
@@JuubiTaz yea but imagine irl syrians, africans at war, koreans, or just someone who suffered extreme abuse decided the world has to go under an illusion because of their suffering and actively searching for other bad places when theres plenty of happy people still alive, the naruto show focuses on ninjas but thereres regular people, also might guy is happy, not everybody is a sasuke, and sasukes problem happened due to bad leadership, which is why he wanted to kill the leaders, its a leader problem thats all, sasuke was right as well, in boruto naruto changed nothing as hokage, people dont attack cuz hes too strong, so sasuke was right, obito tho delusion isnt the answer
@@IIIISai I think how Obito & Madara justify it is that even those happy people still alive would still be happy & live inside a dream world. Only difference is that everyone is happy not just a select few. but ur right, it does come at their free will
Obito reveal was too late in the series I think. I think Kishimoto didn't let people sit with his ideology long enough. I think that is what led people to sort of simplify him and think oh what a pussy he did this over a high school girlfriend. I think he should have revealed him maybe 50 chapters earlier in a different way, potentially even earlier than that maybe at the kage Summit
There's no denying that Rin is very important to him, but I wouldn't say he did everything just for her. Remember that as the person casting the Infinite Tsukoyomi, he wouldn't be living in the dreamworld himself, so it's not like he did it all just so he could see Rin in the dreamworld.
@@MuhammadAlkomy That's not even true. Most of the time obito doesn't even talk about rin. Whenever he does it's mostly because kakashi brought it up. When he was first unmasked he didn't mention rin once until kakashi asked why didnt he come back to the leaf. When he talks about rin in the kamui dimension it's not for that long and it serves to further prove his point about the world. Heck, obito literally tells kakashi that he is stupid if he thinks that he started the war solely because of rin. "If you think that I started this war simply over you and rin, to call you misdirected, would be a big understatement!" "The shinobi system, the village, shinobi themselves! They created these circumstances. What caused me to despair was this world itself, this counterfeit world!" These are quotes from obito that are taken from episode 371, titled "Hole". He explains his reasoning right here and yet everybody still thinks he did it solely for rin.
a perfect Shinobi are those don't have feelings, who throw their past. As Zabuza said Shinobi are meant to be used. Madara did that thus BZ was able to manipulate him, were Nagato and Obito changed after meeting Naruto, Madara didn't. btw Kaguya is Villain, where as Madara, Obito, Nagato..... are Antagonist
Madara and Obito are idiots who unintentionally united the world against them. One is a hypocrite who admits that he likes to kill people and wage eternal war & the other one decided to destroy the world cuz of a girl that didn't love him. Boo hoo, Kakashi & Itachi had worse lives than these two and never tried to play Jesus.
Many of villains were right pain was right about the cycle of hatred madrara was right about the shnobi system being hell zabuza was right about shnobi being used by thier village and people and neji was right about destiny they had a better understanding about life than naruto his too naive and idealistic
@@JuubiTazyes like when nagato asked naruto how will bring peace he said I don't know but I will somehow magically find the answer the same thing happened when kurama asked naruto how can he be so sure when he failed to to save sasuke in part 1 naruto said I don't know but I will somehow find a way save sasuke somehow I think that this the main problem with naruto character he never has any real solutions or answer to problem he just believes that problem will somehow be magically solved he way of thinking in not realistic
@@dytgyfgyffuh243 his answers generally girls give this kind of answers, "something will happen", " i will figure it out " cuz reality allows them to in this shows ... the plot armor allows it to be
I feel like when Obito talks about Rin he is talking about not only her, but also the innocent people in the shinobi world like her, and that they should not die. Her death caused him to realize that.
that's true, Rin was just an example of how wrong reality can go
People die irl everyday, what are we gonna do, global vr? No we deal with it
Many of villains were right pain was right about the cycle of hatred madrara was right about the shnobi system being hell zabuza was right about shnobi being used by thier village and people and neji was right about destiny they had a better understanding about life than naruto his too naive and idealistic
@@dytgyfgyffuh243 good sometime u need a dream it better than doing nothing
Obito will always be my favorite character. I felt sort of similar to some of the haters back in the day when the manga was being released. Over time though and after rereading and finally watching Shippuden his entire character really started to resonate and make sense to me.
the thing is, based on the role he had it makes sense that some fans will hate him, but I see the double standards in defending Nagato & Gaara and then hating Obito
We questioning our morallity with this now 💀
lol.. question everything brother
I connect with Obito so much because in a sense he saw himself/the show showed him as the main character, like a second Naruto. But he received a harsh slap in the face that he is not the main character. And no you don’t naturally get the things you want as you grow up
we all receive that harsh slap in the face at one point or another
Fair
Obito was right about shinobi world but not with his method beside other villains but there philosophy is awesome
Nagato:Pain
Obito:despair
Madara :Darkness
Black zentsu :manipulation
Those represents every villain between them
Madara's theme is pure evil though
what does Sasuke represent tho?
wot?????
He isn’t pure evil lmao
@@ashqly73 he is. He's a very selfish, self-centered and always seeks for battles
having a love for battles is not a trait of evil i doubt you'd call goku evil because he " always seeks for battles "
according Merriam Webster selfish is defined as "concerned excessively or exclusively with oneself" Madara was most defenitly not only concerned for himself that completely runs contrary to the plan of the infinite tsukuyomi if he was only concerned exclusively for himself he wouldn't bother with it because that impacts the rest of the world. I do admit that there is some selfishness in not giving anyone else a say in the matter seeing as it concerns their lives but thats a different thing entirely. I will agree that he is very self centred, self centred as defined by Merriam Webster is: "concerned solely with one's own desires, needs, or interests" Madara is self centred because he didn't care about stuff like putting the rinnegan in Nagato what effects that could have same with orchestrating Rin's death. Also his reason for the infinite tsukuyomi clearly distinguishes himself from people that are "pure evil" his reason for going through with it was so that no one would have to suffer as he did during his youth, seeing the horrors of the shinobi world.
I will say that Obito had some sense when he started the 4th Great Ninja War. I’m pretty sure he would know that only the most experienced Shinobi from the Five Great Nations would fight him; not the inexperienced ones, who are still back in their villages for security purposes. And definitely, he would know that none of the ninjas from the smaller villages would join. This war to end all wars isn’t as flawed as one might think because only a small portion of the entire world’s population is being sacrificed to launch the Infinite Tsukuyomi.
very well done video essay man
THANK YOU i dont htink ppl talk enough about how obito felt he watched his best friend kill the girl he loved and then was instantly groomed by madera
And also the third component that people tend to downplay too hyphen the fact that half of his body was crushed. Just because he was healed with hashirama cells doesn't mean he made some sort of full recovery to exactly how he was. He was stronger in the end but that doesn't mean it didn't have to do with the way he thought. They broke his body and his mind
@@eqx7168 obito to the only person that was ever kind to him "dont worry rin ill bring u back.....somehow" morons watching "lol pedo get over it lol"
@@eqx7168 litearlly a broken man at the age of 12 every1: OH JUST GET OVER IT!!!!!!!!!!!
Very nice one bro
We live in Obito's messed up world. Some of us are rejecting it harshly but some people are NPC they just follow the lie.
It's crazy...
lmao, that's a good way to put it
Thank you!
It’s true that there’s still new enemies for shinobi world but remember obito say Naruto your life on future well be suffering but never come back on your words means don’t gave up
Evil control vs Free Will
the yapping of the yappingtons why you need the whole dam backstory
Doesn’t have anything to do with the video but keep uploading I truly enjoy these videos and it might be hard as a small creator but just keep pushing!
glad you enjoy the videos bro, its definitely not easy but its much easier with all the support
@@JuubiTaz Ofc just keep doing your best! I’ll be looking out for those new videos.
Rin and Obito are like Naruto and Hinata 💞
As a fellow Simp he was 100% right
The Villain's are only right when you prove them that There right
The true peace that come at Naruto it come because of obito actions that force the shinobi world to be unit the exist of an one enemy for all nations made nations work together and stop fight each other and understand each other and focus on protect there peace and revenge against akatski
I love how Naruto has many parallels to its characters. Almost all main villans have a paralel character that shows how they couldve gone.
that's one aspect that Naruto excels in
He was right. If they were all going to die anyway, at least they would die in peace.
All he had to do was give them a choice
Nah, Obito was without a doubt still wrong even though I can see the reason behind his actions. Regardless you don't get to dictate how anyone chooses to live their lives. If everyone wanted the infinite tsukyomi and Naruto stood against it, then Naruto will be the villain. The only thing that can somewhat justify obito's plan is if he were the god of the Naruto world who created everyone of them, then he can choose to do what he wants with his creations, but since he's just a mere mortal like the rest, what authority does he have to decide their fate.
What is rather sad is that more people didn't buy into the idea of project tsukyomi other than kisame and Madara. And maybe it's because Obito didn't preach it to more people before declaring the war.
Also it's not a good plan at all if the progression of humanity as a whole is to be considered. Everyone living in there means no procreation. Humanity is left at a standstill forever. Not future generations, no advance in technology.
So yeah, even if the infinite tsukyomi worked as stated, it's still very villainous of Obito to think he can force people into it
And if the otsutsuki were going to come and try to take the planet eventually, you would be handing the earth over like nothing, with no one to protect it. No boruto, no future savior coming. just stuck in time
Its like forcing drugs or vr to the world lol, not everyone is weak
@@IIIISaibut everyone lose lose sacrifice lose it literally an entire cycle of hate and pain and suffering people go so far abandoned there humanity literally the project set for perfect world but it was still wrong since the actions were inhuman to reach this project but man saying not everyone weak is like ignoring the weak who suffer from all of this
@@zayedalhamed3989 fair point but imagine people from korea who suffer did this to the whole world just cuz they suffered
@@IIIISaithe fight it self was suffering for that Naruto the protagonist of the show stop all of that and bring the true peace
ObiGOAT 🗿
Imagine what if obito got isshiki's karma seal
lol he's broken enough, if he got Isshiki's karma he'd be simply unstoppable
I still believe on Naruto ideals all villains agree that Naruto path correct but with suffering
I think Naruto is like the messiah, so his points only apply when someone like him preaches them
Naruto has 0 philosphy just overpowers people, like sasuke
@@IIIISaiyes like when nagato asked naruto how will bring peace he said I don't know how but I will somehow magically find the answer the same thing happened when kurama asked naruto how can he be so sure when failed to bring sasuke back naruto I don't know how but I will somehow find a way to bring sasuke back that is main problem with naruto character he doesn't have any real solutions or answer to problems he just thinks that problems will magically be solved his way of thinking don't work in real life kishimoto himself said that naruto is too naive and idealistic
@@dytgyfgyffuh243 in which naruto lacks nuance, hes almost unrelatable in shippuden, he really kept the same system, hes just too strong to challenge
@@IIIISai yes the problem is the make naruto the perfect savior that doesn't have human flaws naruto is kind and selfless and brave and forgiving he even forgive obito who killed his parents and called him the coolest guy because he had the same dream as him ever that makes naruto seem carzy naruto being 100 percent good makes him boring and unrealistic he no longer feels like a human being with flaws
I love. I love it Especially Naruto beat obito like Sasuke I like it I like how obito and Naruto connected I love the vedio is an awesome
people hate on obito for the ninetails attack (pretty sure its mostly minato fans) i actually like that moment, it shows his blackening.
Sakura was also supportive towards Naruto later on(even if he didn’t really deserve it)
yeah that's true, I just meant when they were kids
@@JuubiTaz also I’m in your walls
Naruto prove the successful of path obito failed follow and obito see rin want him indirectly be uchiha obito lead obito betray madara ideals despite my knowledge I need still watch Naruto step by step without skipping
3:44 preach that Sakura hate. Nah lol jk, but the criticism is not unwarranted.
They were not right if you want to reach a good place you have to follow good do good. You cannot use force. If the path is evil then its a dillusion. People will do anything and say this is the truth. When obito was killing innocent people he should have realize that. Either he was dumb . Or completely braindead.
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Obito was kidnapped by old man that wanted to use his body power half his body was gone he lost and eye his love was killed he was fd up
yeah ik, people try to diminish his suffering & just call him a simp, when there's definitely more to it than that
Cruel Reality vs Peace Reality
Obito is fighting against the corrupt system of the shinobi world but his methods were extreme. Naruto was able to put some sense into him
his methods may have been extreme, but the shinobi world itself was pretty extreme
@@JuubiTazI knew Madara was behind Rin's death as no shinobi village is stupid to kidnap a foreign shinobi and seal their tailed beast into them as a trojan horse. Madara shouldn't have revealed his true identity to Obito during his rehab and do all that stuff to Rin.
What about sasukes goal
Lets get one thing straight, homie is stuck in the past and cant get over grief, his own problem and his solution is escapism which is crucified in real life mind you, and them he forces others to join him, its literally morally impossible to agree with this, not optimal for one but also he cant force others wills and to make it worse its escapism , I dont hate the character or madara but their goal to me is weird, projecting too much, its like a dishonest version of pain, pain said you hurt me I hurt you, Obito is more like I was hurt so you guys will cope with me? Sorta, sasuke was also like this but the real life version not dream world, so even sasukes is flawed but atleast his was not escapism and he targeted leaders aside from naruto, im saying this before I watched the video but yea no hate to the character but very odd goal, him and madara are just scared of heII
You're right, it is escapism, but the idea was that the shinobi world was always gonna be chaos & hell for most of its inhabitants always suffer, so would it be really that bad to opt out for the Infinite Tsukoyomi? I always saw it as a fight between optimism & pessimism, Madara & Obito believed that shinobi world is bound to be filled with misfortune, they believed that the Tsukinome world was the only way to true peace.
@@JuubiTaz yea but imagine irl syrians, africans at war, koreans, or just someone who suffered extreme abuse decided the world has to go under an illusion because of their suffering and actively searching for other bad places when theres plenty of happy people still alive, the naruto show focuses on ninjas but thereres regular people, also might guy is happy, not everybody is a sasuke, and sasukes problem happened due to bad leadership, which is why he wanted to kill the leaders, its a leader problem thats all, sasuke was right as well, in boruto naruto changed nothing as hokage, people dont attack cuz hes too strong, so sasuke was right, obito tho delusion isnt the answer
@@IIIISai I think how Obito & Madara justify it is that even those happy people still alive would still be happy & live inside a dream world. Only difference is that everyone is happy not just a select few. but ur right, it does come at their free will
Obito reveal was too late in the series I think. I think Kishimoto didn't let people sit with his ideology long enough. I think that is what led people to sort of simplify him and think oh what a pussy he did this over a high school girlfriend. I think he should have revealed him maybe 50 chapters earlier in a different way, potentially even earlier than that maybe at the kage Summit
obito did everything just for rin. The moment he's unmasked it's just Rin this, Rin that
There's no denying that Rin is very important to him, but I wouldn't say he did everything just for her. Remember that as the person casting the Infinite Tsukoyomi, he wouldn't be living in the dreamworld himself, so it's not like he did it all just so he could see Rin in the dreamworld.
@JuubiTaz this is merely inferred, whenever kishi makes him talk he doesn't shut up about rin
@@MuhammadAlkomy That's not even true. Most of the time obito doesn't even talk about rin. Whenever he does it's mostly because kakashi brought it up.
When he was first unmasked he didn't mention rin once until kakashi asked why didnt he come back to the leaf. When he talks about rin in the kamui dimension it's not for that long and it serves to further prove his point about the world.
Heck, obito literally tells kakashi that he is stupid if he thinks that he started the war solely because of rin.
"If you think that I started this war simply over you and rin, to call you misdirected, would be a big understatement!"
"The shinobi system, the village, shinobi themselves! They created these circumstances. What caused me to despair was this world itself, this counterfeit world!"
These are quotes from obito that are taken from episode 371, titled "Hole". He explains his reasoning right here and yet everybody still thinks he did it solely for rin.
2:16 Such bullshit, if I have the power of sharingan then I would cast Amaterasu on everyone work tax department.
without the stupid kaguya retcon the villains were right.
a perfect Shinobi are those don't have feelings, who throw their past. As Zabuza said Shinobi are meant to be used.
Madara did that thus BZ was able to manipulate him,
were Nagato and Obito changed after meeting Naruto, Madara didn't.
btw Kaguya is Villain, where as Madara, Obito, Nagato..... are Antagonist
@@FangLeng-lh4gn early shippuden sasuke was a true shinobi
@@IIIISai yeah a "true bookish konoha shinobi" and than there comes Tobi 💀
@@FangLeng-lh4gnobito and nagato I’ll give u but madara was a straight up villain
@@louiebeni5189 yeah which is why he was able to be used as a Tool and the fact that Naruto never even tried to Talk no Jutsu him
Madara and Obito are idiots who unintentionally united the world against them. One is a hypocrite who admits that he likes to kill people and wage eternal war & the other one decided to destroy the world cuz of a girl that didn't love him. Boo hoo, Kakashi & Itachi had worse lives than these two and never tried to play Jesus.
Many of villains were right pain was right about the cycle of hatred madrara was right about the shnobi system being hell zabuza was right about shnobi being used by thier village and people and neji was right about destiny they had a better understanding about life than naruto his too naive and idealistic
yeah Naruto's lucky he's the protagonist, otherwise things wouldn't have worked out so "nicely" for him
@@JuubiTazyes like when nagato asked naruto how will bring peace he said I don't know but I will somehow magically find the answer the same thing happened when kurama asked naruto how can he be so sure when he failed to to save sasuke in part 1 naruto said I don't know but I will somehow find a way save sasuke somehow I think that this the main problem with naruto character he never has any real solutions or answer to problem he just believes that problem will somehow be magically solved he way of thinking in not realistic
@@dytgyfgyffuh243 now I think of it
It's like a girl talking 😂
@@satyam168 what do mean
@@dytgyfgyffuh243 his answers
generally girls give this kind of answers, "something will happen", " i will figure it out "
cuz reality allows them to
in this shows ... the plot armor allows it to be