Personally speaking my favorite gun history is European (Especially German, Austrian and French). Specifically the Zündnadelgewehr or later the Chassepot are really the closest relatives to modern firearms and my most beloved possessions. They were actually so close that those only lasted for a couple of decades (Zündnadelgewehr) or a couple of years (Chassepot, which was a more developed version of the Zündnadelgewehr after the French saw what Prussia did to Austria).
I also like those late European guns but unfortunately in Canada it’s too much paperwork for me to showcase them. Chassepot in particular is interesting as it is the era of modern bolt action, breech-loading military rifles, for the French who are viewed as technologically inferior by the English ironically
@@langdavid6852 I think for some designs it was the other way around or independent inventions. Check the very early arquebuses which maybe an ottoman invention
The first references to the use of what may have been arquebuses (tüfek) by the Janissary corps of the Ottoman army date them from 1394 to 1465.[5] However, it is unclear whether these were arquebuses or small cannons as late as 1444, but according to Gábor Ágoston the fact that they were listed separate from cannons in mid-15th century inventories suggest they were handheld firearms
Note: Although the source for the Blackpowder composition is dated around 950 A.D., the Book iteself is refering to Tang dynasty and earlier alchemists who burnt their house down prior with this blackpowder.
Hi really like your video and especially this. Guns made a revolution about stopping power in history. I have a idea of video for your why not make a comparison of stopping power with different bow like one tatar and one ottoman bow of 60 lbs and or English bow etc etc. Maybe you can at same time explain the difficulty to draw each bow in comparison to the stopping power and maybe make a conclusion of what could be the best bow for a horse archer who have only to use bow. It’s a few ideas but it could be interesting. Again good video and have a great day mate 🤝
I believe the stopping power between different bows are quite neglible such as 80-130 joules, all of which are easily stopped by shields. Meanwhile a gun delivers 1000 joules +
@@phawang37And so were rocks, but did a whole army throw rocks at eachother? What I’m asking is, were they used frequently as an actual weapon in volume, or if they were not as common.
What really fascinates me is how many side steps they had to make before implementing the flintlock, and even how long it took to consider the idea of the breechloader and paper cartridge. If the idea had been there, we could’ve had more effective guns earlier on afaik.
Exactly the steps are monumental of the time. It may seem very intuitive for us today to put gunpowder in a tube and a projectile in front but it took time to figure out the chemical ratio to have a fast burning discharge
@@HistoricalWeapons I mean, there were definitely visionaries, such as the Kalthoff repeater, which was only held back by the metallurgy of the time, to the Pauly Breechloader, which was the inspiration for the needle gun, but Napoleon rejected out of shortsightedness. Retrospective is fascinating when you realize how efficiently we could’ve done things. If I had to go back to the 1500s, it’s amazing how easily something like the perry or marston pistol could’ve been implemented even as a flintlock.
@@Fak-pm7qt yes but they were typically emptied into the barrel, not used to contain the powder and shot together for simplicity’s sake. That only became possible with breechloaders and ways to puncture the cartridge within the barrel afaik.
@@deismaccountant exactly, if I went back 2000 years I’d tell the people experimenting with exploding bamboo to add sulpher saltpeter and carbon inside. Might get a good job as inventor
One thing that fascinates me is how the mass produced Yuan and Ming hand cannons that spread across the world evolved into longer barreled harquebus and where and when this happened. Is there a good book, article or video on it?
The long barrel is really about the development of advanced European metallagy. Prior to this even Europe was using short barrelled guns because metal strength. I suggest check videos of the development of the arquebus to the flintlock
Is the logistical requirements of these barrels why the Ming usually stuck to short-barreled guns and why a lot of guns were simply imported from Portugal or Turkey?
In 1233, Jin soldiers used bullet shooting fire lances successfully against the Mongols. Pucha Guannu led 450 Jin fire lancers and routed an entire Mongol encampment. The Mongol soldiers were apparently disdainful of other Jin weapons, but greatly feared the fire lance. From 13th century source, "To make the lance, use chi-huang paper, sixteen layers of it for the tube, and make it a bit longer than two feet. Stuff it with willow charcoal, iron fragments,... and when it's time to do battle, the flames shoot out the front of the lance more than ten feet"
@@zhangtony3372probably. And these must of been quite lethal to scare off mongol soldiers so not toys. Remember that mongols knew what these were at the time so no surprises
I'll argue against the no training need idea, guns are dangerous in untrained hands, there many ways to blow your self up. But you can learn a drill to load and fire a gun and lean that drill quickly.
Yes for reloading but if you just want to shoot it once and give it to someone expendable, anyone will do that’s brave enough. The Chinese issued many bamboo disposable guns that were likely for expendible troops
I agree with you. Maybe flintlocks were more user friendly than bows, but there's a whole process that goes into loading a matchlock safely, and I can only imagine how cumbersome the earliest firearms were. I think the reason why people used firearms, and gradually came to prefer them over bows and crossbows, is because they were extremely powerful.
@@DjeauxSheauxearliest firearms in the form of disposable bamboo shotguns are easily to use. Same as fireworks, light a fuse. Obviously not safe but the actual operation is simple. It does take a long time to load but these are single shot disposable guns
Not that strange considering the language of the channel. It is kinda strange to say btw. It would be like me going to a historical chinese speaking channel and typing, in chinese: "almost nobody talks about European perspective".
Awesome video been playing assassins creed recently and it got me wondering about the origins of guns I’ve been doing a lot of research about how they advanced in Europe and was wondering about their origins in china as well so this video was perfect can’t wait for your next video specifically on middle eastern guns and hopefully you talk about how the ottomans used them as well !!
Kinda skipped some steps. lol. The wheel lock and snaphaunce spark ignition systems date back to the end of the 15th and mid 16th centuries. Henry VIII who jousted and fought in the plate armor most DnDers imagine their paladin wears, had a wheel lock that is in the Royal Armory today. The matchlock was still being used in the English Civil war a century later, because it was cheaper and easier to produce, but there were fancier guns used at the time, even the first flintlocks predate the Civil War.
@@bugger6881 It was common enough to create the first gun control bans against them within 30 years on mainland Europe. They were not used by infantry, but by cavalry and the wealthy.
@@bugger6881 One might even say that their significance was very feared early on and the reason we dont see a lot of them was because only "the right people" were allowed to own them.
@@JanoTuotanto cavalry pistols comes from portable hand cannons used on horseback used by the mongols and the firelances of the 13th century. They were one shot disposable ones used just like wheelocks but much cheaper to produced and was actually mass produced
@@whiteeye3453the first archeological find of a hand cannon is from modern day China in the 13th century. Hand cannons are guns, albeit not the most effective design
@@whiteeye3453 where is the evidence of Viking guns before the Chinese archeological find of metal guns? Btw this is the first archeological find of a metal gun but prior to this there were paper versions that specifically say it shot bullets with wadding
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I wanna know more about janissary guns and Arab arquebus
15th and 16th century Ottoman wargear in general for me.
Personally speaking my favorite gun history is European (Especially German, Austrian and French). Specifically the Zündnadelgewehr or later the Chassepot are really the closest relatives to modern firearms and my most beloved possessions. They were actually so close that those only lasted for a couple of decades (Zündnadelgewehr) or a couple of years (Chassepot, which was a more developed version of the Zündnadelgewehr after the French saw what Prussia did to Austria).
Indian and Turkish guns are underrated
I also like those late European guns but unfortunately in Canada it’s too much paperwork for me to showcase them. Chassepot in particular is interesting as it is the era of modern bolt action, breech-loading military rifles, for the French who are viewed as technologically inferior by the English ironically
Man the camerawork difference between the two of you are huge
He’s been doing it for a decade while the other guy is a gun collector
Dudes a professional RUclipsr
Definitely keen to hear about early Indian and Turkish firearms 🙂
They copied the Europeans
@@langdavid6852 I think for some designs it was the other way around or independent inventions. Check the very early arquebuses which maybe an ottoman invention
The first references to the use of what may have been arquebuses (tüfek) by the Janissary corps of the Ottoman army date them from 1394 to 1465.[5] However, it is unclear whether these were arquebuses or small cannons as late as 1444, but according to Gábor Ágoston the fact that they were listed separate from cannons in mid-15th century inventories suggest they were handheld firearms
Note: Although the source for the Blackpowder composition is dated around 950 A.D., the Book iteself is refering to Tang dynasty and earlier alchemists who burnt their house down prior with this blackpowder.
But 1st century you mentioned there’s is source of three chemicals that danced violently
@@zhangtony3372 no evidence what those chemicals are
Maybe drugs that made people dance
@@DnahwjjwjejnenexI see that here everyday
Hi really like your video and especially this. Guns made a revolution about stopping power in history.
I have a idea of video for your why not make a comparison of stopping power with different bow like one tatar and one ottoman bow of 60 lbs and or English bow etc etc. Maybe you can at same time explain the difficulty to draw each bow in comparison to the stopping power and maybe make a conclusion of what could be the best bow for a horse archer who have only to use bow. It’s a few ideas but it could be interesting. Again good video and have a great day mate 🤝
I believe the stopping power between different bows are quite neglible such as 80-130 joules, all of which are easily stopped by shields. Meanwhile a gun delivers 1000 joules +
Very interesting!! I wonder how frequently they would be used in a battle, like if there was very little or a lot of people using it (handgon)
in china bamboo is abundant so probably a LOT
@@phawang37for china only
@@phawang37And so were rocks, but did a whole army throw rocks at eachother? What I’m asking is, were they used frequently as an actual weapon in volume, or if they were not as common.
Shame wheellocks were so expensive to make. For some reason, they really look nice to me.
They are over complicated! Just make multiple one shot bamboo hand cannons. For the cost of one wheel lock you can make like 1000 bamboo hand cannons
europeans made multiple one shot volley metal guns@@legntt3488
@@legntt3488bamboo is not locally available in many places
Groovy video.
What really fascinates me is how many side steps they had to make before implementing the flintlock, and even how long it took to consider the idea of the breechloader and paper cartridge. If the idea had been there, we could’ve had more effective guns earlier on afaik.
Exactly the steps are monumental of the time. It may seem very intuitive for us today to put gunpowder in a tube and a projectile in front but it took time to figure out the chemical ratio to have a fast burning discharge
Paper cartridges are used as early as firelances in the 10th century which held the fireworks
@@HistoricalWeapons I mean, there were definitely visionaries, such as the Kalthoff repeater, which was only held back by the metallurgy of the time, to the Pauly Breechloader, which was the inspiration for the needle gun, but Napoleon rejected out of shortsightedness.
Retrospective is fascinating when you realize how efficiently we could’ve done things. If I had to go back to the 1500s, it’s amazing how easily something like the perry or marston pistol could’ve been implemented even as a flintlock.
@@Fak-pm7qt yes but they were typically emptied into the barrel, not used to contain the powder and shot together for simplicity’s sake. That only became possible with breechloaders and ways to puncture the cartridge within the barrel afaik.
@@deismaccountant exactly, if I went back 2000 years I’d tell the people experimenting with exploding bamboo to add sulpher saltpeter and carbon inside. Might get a good job as inventor
So that’s why u changed ur name from historical archery
I only want archery man
@@zhangtony3372same
@@zhangtony3372same
@@zhangtony3372I don’t care what you want.
@@zhangtony3372nah most
Of us like this stuff
One thing that fascinates me is how the mass produced Yuan and Ming hand cannons that spread across the world evolved into longer barreled harquebus and where and when this happened. Is there a good book, article or video on it?
Probably cuz China does not need infantry guns cuz scale of war
The long barrel is really about the development of advanced European metallagy. Prior to this even Europe was using short barrelled guns because metal strength. I suggest check videos of the development of the arquebus to the flintlock
Interesting! The great metallurgical developments of the 15th century sound really interesting @@HistoricalWeapons
Is the logistical requirements of these barrels why the Ming usually stuck to short-barreled guns and why a lot of guns were simply imported from Portugal or Turkey?
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1:10 court alchemist in front of the emperor
"Well, its bamboo, and you put gunpowder in it, and all kinds of things can happen!"
In 1233, Jin soldiers used bullet shooting fire lances successfully against the Mongols. Pucha Guannu led 450 Jin fire lancers and routed an entire Mongol encampment. The Mongol soldiers were apparently disdainful of other Jin weapons, but greatly feared the fire lance. From 13th century source, "To make the lance, use chi-huang paper, sixteen layers of it for the tube, and make it a bit longer than two feet. Stuff it with willow charcoal, iron fragments,... and when it's time to do battle, the flames shoot out the front of the lance more than ten feet"
Did they bundle the guns together?
@@zhangtony3372probably. And these must of been quite lethal to scare off mongol soldiers so not toys. Remember that mongols knew what these were at the time so no surprises
if only forgotten weapons did this
Ian needs to run out of modern ones first.
hes channel should be renamed forgotten modern weapons
@@molochi
Believe him or inrange did a show
@@JeffHenry-cq3isdid a European hand cannon
I'll argue against the no training need idea, guns are dangerous in untrained hands, there many ways to blow your self up.
But you can learn a drill to load and fire a gun and lean that drill quickly.
Yes for reloading but if you just want to shoot it once and give it to someone expendable, anyone will do that’s brave enough. The Chinese issued many bamboo disposable guns that were likely for expendible troops
I agree with you. Maybe flintlocks were more user friendly than bows, but there's a whole process that goes into loading a matchlock safely, and I can only imagine how cumbersome the earliest firearms were. I think the reason why people used firearms, and gradually came to prefer them over bows and crossbows, is because they were extremely powerful.
@@DjeauxSheauxearliest firearms in the form of disposable bamboo shotguns are easily to use. Same as fireworks, light a fuse. Obviously not safe but the actual operation is simple. It does take a long time to load but these are single shot disposable guns
Please make videos on Indian bows and arrows , and indian meele weapons , from ancient to early medieval age .
Almost nobody talks about Chinese perspective
In English
He has some really interesting vids discussing eastern heavy warbows.
Not that strange considering the language of the channel. It is kinda strange to say btw. It would be like me going to a historical chinese speaking channel and typing, in chinese: "almost nobody talks about European perspective".
@@googleandsusansucks actually a lot of European weapons in Chinese social media lol . Also English is the global language
Thanks to the bamboo wall
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I don’t want to see raid lengend shadows again
Archery man expanding his horizons lets goo lads !
Why no mention of b ombs or rockets??
Because this is the history of guns, not bombs or rockets.
@@Fuerwahrhalunkewell said
Awesome video been playing assassins creed recently and it got me wondering about the origins of guns I’ve been doing a lot of research about how they advanced in Europe and was wondering about their origins in china as well so this video was perfect can’t wait for your next video specifically on middle eastern guns and hopefully you talk about how the ottomans used them as well !!
I’d really like a timeline of about when these weapons were invented
Why u no mention wheel lock
Not common enough
We forgot ops
@@vintagebowyer1692it was important upgrade over matchlock wich made firearms ready to fire
@@taistelusammakko5088 negligible in terms of history of gun as it’s barely used besides rich Europeans
@@busurbusur2381 It was very important for the evolution of cavalry tactics
I'm so glad you made it into my algorithm. I'm finna BINGE, baby!
Kinda skipped some steps. lol. The wheel lock and snaphaunce spark ignition systems date back to the end of the 15th and mid 16th centuries. Henry VIII who jousted and fought in the plate armor most DnDers imagine their paladin wears, had a wheel lock that is in the Royal Armory today. The matchlock was still being used in the English Civil war a century later, because it was cheaper and easier to produce, but there were fancier guns used at the time, even the first flintlocks predate the Civil War.
Wheel lock is not a significant mechanism in gun history. Check the quantity adopted
@@bugger6881 It was common enough to create the first gun control bans against them within 30 years on mainland Europe. They were not used by infantry, but by cavalry and the wealthy.
@@bugger6881 One might even say that their significance was very feared early on and the reason we dont see a lot of them was because only "the right people" were allowed to own them.
@@bugger6881 Pistols would not exist without it
@@JanoTuotanto cavalry pistols comes from portable hand cannons used on horseback used by the mongols and the firelances of the 13th century. They were one shot disposable ones used just like wheelocks but much cheaper to produced and was actually mass produced
Nice work
Ty for the knowledge
Thanks for watching
this is awesome
Thank you!
Your welcome
He’s a goner
Lol
why were early hand cannons so short? how far can they shoot?
Because metallurgy limitations
can you do a video about Chinese fire gourd ?
Interesting!
U still dating him?
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So does the word gone come from gonners too🤷♂️
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So it was europe who invented guns
False they invented matchlocks. A type of gun. The earliest gun is invented in China 13th century. Fuse lit
@@lichenggong1248 nope China invented gunpowder fire works and flaming spear
The gun was invented by europe
@@whiteeye3453the first archeological find of a hand cannon is from modern day China in the 13th century. Hand cannons are guns, albeit not the most effective design
@@HistoricalWeapons and vikings were also fist
Plus do they shot bullets or flame?
@@whiteeye3453 where is the evidence of Viking guns before the Chinese archeological find of metal guns? Btw this is the first archeological find of a metal gun but prior to this there were paper versions that specifically say it shot bullets with wadding
Yes
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