Saito vs Riner - Judo Worlds 2023
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- Опубликовано: 12 май 2023
- 斉藤とリネーるの試合。Legendary match between Riner of France and Saito of Japan.
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As a Frenchman and judo competitor (black belt), I have a great deal of appreciation for Riner. But I find that in this weight category, the normal rules are counterproductive and favor the "penalty game". Saito showed great merit and fighting spirit and the fight should have gone ahead. I'm in favour of longer fights in this category.
Estoy con tigo también fui yudoca en los años 67 al 75 y ahora no se trabaja la técnica, si no buscar la victoria por pasividad. Eso es dañino para el deporte y para que los jóvenes busquen mejorar su técnica no para que busquen ser unos olgasanes fuertes.
Personally, I think Riner is over rated. He has won a lot because he has all the physical attributes and lacks decent technique.
@@terrynicholson9273true I agree
@@terrynicholson9273I agree his grips win him half the battle
I'm sorry but when they gave Saito the second shido it should have gone to Teddy. Saito was much more aggressive during that time period. The result may have been the same but we would have at least seen a few more exchanges.
😄😄😄😄
How many wins will they give Teddy for not throwing people? He's dominating the grips but refuses too attack except for little foot taps. They give Riner a shido for pulling gi over his head early but then ignore it later on? The favouritism Teddy gets is unreal. He almost wins world champion without throwing anyone
You should watch the semi-final.
I think Rinner made some convincing attacks here. And I'm not a big fan of Rinner (but his Judo is ok, I think he is more technical than Douillet for example).
I like Saito, but to fight Rinner, you have to have a superhuman condition.
its just ridiculous ... Riner lost that fight clearly and should have been disqualified for permanently trying to put the Gi over the head.
@@MiauZi69 When did it lost that fight?
Estoy con tigo occidente robando como saben .
So privileged to see Saito meet Riner on the day. Nandayo! wish his dad was there to see him tower 😢 You'll come back stronger Saito, keep training 💪💪💪
Saito dominated this fight, technically he is surely the best judoka in the world in this queen category, Riner did not demonstrate anything and did not take any initiative with this attitude a disqualification would have been obvious in a category below, the refereeing is disastrous for me Saito is the best judoka in this category currently without a doubt
No objectivity
Saito was exhausted during the Golden Score, Riner's victory is logical in the end
Riner is champion, Saito is nothing
@@andremaube5069 tu ne tombera pas plus bas .... à gagner sans classe on devient des moins que rien. J'espère qu'un jour on aura un judoka qui fera honneur au judo français au niveau technique pas que physique. Rinner est un bon athlète mais pas un bon judoka. sinon on dit is a champion et non champion. :)
no at all, Riner dominated the Kume Kata, which thwarted Saito. He did back up a bit too much, and do not expect this to repeat this way if they have a rematch. Teddy will come out and pour it on him, likely will throw him for ippon. Riner gassed him out.
Judo is not the catch, maybe you are talking about the catch. thanks for beeing honest, you made my response easier
斉藤がちっちゃく見えるのなんかのバグだろ笑
Saito is really explosive for his weight. I'm impressed. Imagine him doing a uchimata to a sub-100 guy. It's impossible to defend
yes, but it tells you how good even an older, out of his prime Teddy Riner is and why he is the greatest judoka competitor in history. No one could beat a prime Riner that was a couple steps quicker and cleaner, and yet he still dominated and won.
@@robstatham6027He did nothing but holding away and even did it harder in grand slam. Usually thats big time ahido but Teddy gets excused! Riner is just strong af
@@robstatham6027 - Lmao this guy only wins because he's bigger than everyone. He would be working at McDonalds if he was average heavyweight size. Also, he barely won against a 21 year old. 😂🤡
That “average” guy is the greatest judoka ever and getting it done in his 30s still. Bias much?
This is the olimpic Judo of nowadays, nothing happens. One is champion doing nothing.
Judo has truly turned into a disgusting art. Saito attacked 100 times but did less for 5 seconds and was penalized. Teddy doesn’t attack for a solid 2 minutes and is on the Back foot and doesn’t get a penalty. The ridiculous rule of not being allowed to duck under the arm is also still in place I see. I mean, you surely don’t want the taller opponent with that grip to actually have to fight for the grip or for that matter do something with the grip. No no no, just let the taller opponent gain the grip and then hang on the shorter one, because leg grabs? No, those are also removed and thus have nullified any proper and dangerous attacks of pushing an opponent down.
I think you can duck under the arm if you use it to initiate an attack, right?
Winning by shido. Nothing more boring. Someone bring Yuko and Koka back!!
Malheureusement, le judo n'est plus le sport passionnant que j'ai toujours aimé.
Les réglements ont anéanti tout le charme de ce sport magnifique.
I agree: imagine if it still was possible to grab the legs...
Saito would have the advantage of having the possibly of grasping Riner's ankle and scoring!
Il n'est plus martial art. Just sporte . Il faut tomber l'oponent par terre.
Capping the head like that with the gi will be banned in future, hopefully. It's like pistol gripping the sleeves. Saito couldn't stand straight half the match. Shameful match yet again...
Riner, 11 times world champion, I indeed think that saito is very strong. But you don't always win when you're the best, you also need a little experience. Riner is 34 years old, Saito 21 years old, it's the future, but you have to know how to appreciate a great champion when you meet one and Riner is just a monster.
Totally agree Okko San and the fact that Saito 21 already did and dared what he dared against Riner is already making Saito a great champion in the making.
@@gauthierpersonnic1115 JO Paris 2024 - Riner vs Saito = 2-0
Love judo But the rule set for shidos is just not my thing. Let them go till a score when in golden score !
Klasicna otimacina. Neka mi neko objasni sta je to Riner uradio da Saito dobije shido???? Pa u poslednji par minuta je navlacio Saitu kimono na glavu. Rinerov cilj je da samo ostane na nogama i zna da ce sudije odraditi ostalo.
Saito je car!!!!! ❤❤❤❤
tiddy rené is the greatest judoka in history
Va pleurer ailleurs, ça fait 15 ans qu'il triche Riner??? Ou alors il est juste extraordinaire !
@@Cultur12
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That's a judogi, not a kimono. Kimonos are silk vests for women. I see you are an expert. Saito got a deserved second shido for going straight to ground to prevent the attack to continue. Saito was more aggressive, yes, but committed mistakes when avoiding Riner's attacks.
Riner was more expert and cautious, appropriately, and got the match home using experience. Saito was more spectacular but a bit careless in his reactions. At this level, you pay that dearly.
But yeah, a kimono was pulled, referee was wrong, and there was no water in the pool. The judo expert said.
@@dragomirmarinkovic2801 teddy Riner champion of world 12 / 3 Olympics chmpio haichiro yamachita 1 champion olympique/ 3 / champion world
What a fighter Saito is!!! Amazing. Soon no one will be able to stand him.
Not Yamasito level.
@@gimelo3977 yet … 😏
@@gimelo3977 nor is Rider
Riner is the greatest ever. He is not in his prime anymore, takes a 6 year layoff from the world championships and wins. Yamashita would have been crushed by him. Not even close. This version of Riner is a step or two slower and not as explosive as he once was.
I recommend a weight limit in the heavy weight division. Too overpower people just because of the huge weight differences has nothing to do with Judo!!!
とうとう斉藤君がこう言う世界大会の場に出てきたのか!負けたけどそこまで内容は悪くないような...。全盛期ではないとは言え、この若さで絶対王者のriner相手にこのパフォーマンスができたは凄い。スタミナとパワーをもっと身につければもっと強くなりそう。世界大会を経験できた事は大きい。
If an attack has no real chance to score is it really an attack 🤔
Shit ... spoiler ... Saito attacked, Rinner waited for shido ... it's not a judo
Cry about it
It’s intelligence
it's sports JUDO not martial arts 柔道
Very disappointed to read so many disrespectful comments about Teddy Riner, an absolute legend, still in competition.
We are approaching a primary and stupid fanaticism, worthy of football.
And we are moving away from these values of judo: Courtesy, Modesty, Respect.
Let's enjoy his last months and the indelible mark he continues to write in the history of this sport.
Riner mérite les critiques... Il a juste su profité des règles du judo moderne - monotonie et points ridicules de pénalité abusifs en plus. Et ses titres ne reflètent en rien ce qu'il a apporté au judo. Comparé à un très grand judoka comme Shohei Ono, Riner est un nain...
@@mariemichelgouar7084
Je suis d'accord sur le fait qu'il profite profondément des règles en vigueur et en changement. Mais cela fait sa force, et c'est lui le plus fort depuis une décennie et demi dans ce cadre.
Ono était plus spectaculaire et flamboyant mais n'oublions pas que sa catégorie s'y prête davantage que les +100kg.
Je préfère d'ailleurs regarder ces catégories, et notamment les -66kg avec les duels épiques Abe vs Maruyama.
Toutefois, c'est une immense fierté d'avoir Teddy Riner comme représentant du judo français. Il construit le plus gros palmarès de l'histoire du judo.
Et le moins que l'on puisse lui offrir selon moi, c'est du respect.
Agree my friend … they all seem like a bunch of whiny sissies
This match was boring, most +100 matches are boring
These guys are slow and not conditioned, making it dull.
Watch the Asian Sea Game 32 judo tournaments and especially the Vietnamese wrestler teams. Their techniques are insane and world-class.
@@Hunter-go4bv ii
Rules. There is not Newaza
フランスが柔道を本当に面白みにないものに変えた。
I never get impressed by Teddy's techniques.
Teddy Riner dominated the fight, Saito did not find the solution, if it did not end by penalties, Riner was going to exhaust Saito and finally win. So the outcome is logic, experienced Riner has been better than young talented Saito.
Lol, then why not have Riner exhaust him and actually get a throw.
This is incredibly frustrating to watch - like Abe - Maruyama
Good grip fighting and positioning, but very little beyond that because it's all about tactics and playing the penalty game...
I would have loved seeing Saito performing a Soto Makikomi with just the left hand: a sure ippon!
In your dreams...
@@rachidabecassis5091 In my dream and in some of my matches, when I used to compete in the italian Championship...
Saito won in my book. I would've given Riner 2+ shidos for not attempting anything
改善すべきなのはスタミナですね。しかし、それはあなたが一番理解していることと思います。
頑張れ✊
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リネールは相手の胴衣を意図的に頭にかぶせ頭を下げさせる、それを繰り返すことで反則勝ちを狙うとか、とても卑劣で恥を知らない行為で見るに堪えない。試合を通して小川の大外だけが柔道らしい素晴らしい技でした。リネールは篠原に内また透かしで負けた時よりさらに弱くなっているみたいですね。
同意します。これはリネールによるひどい柔道でした。そして、なぜ彼が試合中に一度しか指導を受けなかったのか理解できません。国際柔道は大抵醜いですが、この試合全体は冗談のようでした。これは本当に柔道ですか？
Completely silly judge totally! Particularly the second shido to Saito.
Imagine the GOAT of Judo, Riner, world champion and end his career with a beautiful gold medal at Paris in 2024
Riner spent the ENTIRE fight trying to pull the gi over saito's head, and win by dragging down with that. Shouldn't have been allowed imo.
Riner may not have thrown clear attacks but Saito went to the ground when he could have stayed on his feet. That's why he got the penalities. So nothing unfair here cause Saito is more responsible for his defeat than Riner is for his victory in this contest
pfft how should he go in if big bubba hold down from high? Pls use your brainies!
C’est désolant que la victoire soit ainsi obtenue. Oui Saito revient à chaque fois plus essoufflé et après Teddy. Mais il avance et tente également. C’est la finale !
Il n’y a pas de points, il n’y a que des avertissements. Ils ont oublié l’art martial, le sport et le spectacle.
Riner ainda é um monstro, fisicamente é d+ , boa luta
Saito is already more capable. Saito will win the Paris Olympics.Even so I didn't know there was a trick to take off the judo uniform.
Hi
It was close
Saito 🇯🇵🇯🇵🇯🇵🇯🇵👍🏻👍🏻💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻
Ce mec gagne sans mérite il est toujours plus grand que ses adversaires cest un grand avantage dans le judo pour le placement des mains
Et alors quoi? Il devrait rétrécir ? Ou être banni du judo ? Chacun ses forces et ses faiblesses
Weird to think that excluding this year’s world championships, riner is neither world nor olympic champion
リネールは斉藤 立を正面から豪快に仕留める技を持っていないから反則勝ちしか狙えなかったように見えた。
リネールは勝ったけど彼の時代は終わった感じを受けた。
私もそう思います！斉藤はもっと可能性がある
@@JudoHighlights2015 Why not get rid of all those tactical shidos so we can see some actual judo
I would much rather see randori between these two (or also Abe-Maruyama) than this because in randori they will actually go for stuff
Rinner won by this thing called "expérience". Im mean : 11xwc
Some people are commenting a bit quickly about Rinner and Saito. Saito seems dominated physically by Rinner, and Rinner is very respectful of Saito's abilities and cautious about not being countered. So one have difficulties to stand up, the other is not attacking much.
But what would you do against Saito or against Rinner? Nothing I'm sure.
The only thing is the fight was finished a bit too early. But I agree with some comments: Rinner would have exhausted Saito, and at the end he could have thrown him.
Not sûre of that !
Tf is that kind of comment literally saying nothing and people like it?? "what ld you do against the other?" Never heard a worse BS! Well ok genius nobody is a pro judo comp fighter on that level in here but rule system says attack or shido if you refuse. When the big Cocolocco is holding down what ld you do? Right try to attack under thats what Judo is logically for so why punish the attacker when ita just his only way? Use brainies boy!
組み手が重要でしたね。
先に良い組み手になれてなかった様に思います。
奥襟持たれない様に先に組んで技を出す。
現在のルールで頑張って下さい。
選手みんな同じ条件ですから。
次は勝てます！
お父様が見守っています。
かけ逃げで、斉藤が指導もらって終わりって…。今のルールは判らんです…。技で有効ポイントを得るまでやらせての勝負だろうよ。
Saito was fighting against Riner and the referee. Biased refereeing, even in the finals
Saito fought 100x better, Teddy's attacks were POOR and effortless... saito should've won
Mate what are you saying, Teddy was barely in danger and Saito just couldnt keep fighting.
Its a shame thar Teddy is defining a new meta with this because it is very anti climactic
@@theogillan5510 wtf shut up, did you even bother to watch the match? Teddy literally fights like a child, he has no technique whatsoever, he was just waiting for that win by shidos, no thread at all! Saito on the other hand put in the best attacks !!!
But he lost, him and his 21years old, fighting a 34 experienced guy, doing it the English way.
@@gauthierpersonnic1115 Pls !! Timer is weak as hell! If it wasn’t for his height and weight he’d be a nobody
Who is Timer, Ricardo ? Did you mean Riner? Well Riner is 145-150kg, whereas Saito is 160kg. Maybe there is also a question of physical condition to there. And being tall is not always an advantage.
Riner é solo un elefante! il suo Judo è di bassissimo livello!
Teddy Riner, the great expert at pattacake, generating shidos', and normally, time-wasting and belt-tying. The ref was an empty suit, Riner was deliberately pulling Saito's jacket over his head. As is usual the 'empty suit' favored Riner. Just one more pathetic example of how low competition-Judo has been allowed to sink.
11 world title, 3 olympic title, etc... and still no respect... I hate to see what judo has become but that is not RINER fault
@@bondjamesboy *2 Olympics
To Mr McKeown, Riner did as a 34 yo judo, blocking a 21 yo eager to put the champion down. And he lost. Very comparable to 🏉 and the way English do it against the French.
The Shidos were fair, but it leaves me personally a bit disappointed, because I feel like Saito‘s attempts were more dangerous.
I disagree a bit. Each time Rinner was in position to score, Saito fell on his knees to avoid the attack. Anyway, that was a good and very strategic match.
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No way
I'm a french man and i largely prefer " the judo " of Saito !!!
Riner is only a strong man, but a poor technics for a 34 years old man. it's sad to see how much he use his strenght for winning. it's so sad for persons who likes the part of art of martial art ...and not only the brutal part. a technics when it works for every one so you can say i have a high degree of mastery. A great sport man but not a great master of judo.
3:57
Lool tht guy in the crowd wearing a French Thwab
斉藤立の様な一本を取りに行くスタイルはJUDOに向いてない。
JUDOはいかに掛け逃げをするかのゲームに成り下がっている。
全然そうは思わないが。
普段柔道に全く興味がなく、大きな大会の一部しか見ない連中は
リネールをリオ五輪の原沢との決勝や今日のような強豪の日本人選手との対戦だけを見て
ニゲールなどと揶揄しているが、リネールなんてこれまでも殆どの試合で技でポイントを取って勝っている。
実際この次の試合でも相手を投げて勝利している。
そいう相手を投げきれる技を持っているからこそ長年に渡ってトップ選手であり続けられる。
今大会も高藤、橋本、永瀬、村尾、飯田と優勝した阿部を除いた全ての階級で投げられて敗退しているが。
どこが掛け逃げをするかのゲームに成り下がっているのか。
日本人が勝てなかった腹いせを書き込んでいるようにしか感じない。
@@akiaki258 原沢もそうですが、リネールと対戦するとなぜか技が出なくなる。やはりリネールの腕力や軸の強さで疲れてくるとリネールの懐に入るのが返されそうで怖くなるのでしょうか？
Riner’s Dad must walk around France feeling like a Mob Don. imagine having your son as your bodyguard lol
until he finds Francis Ngannou
申し訳ないが、リネールの柔道を素晴らしいと思っとことはない。
一本取りに行くタイプじゃないからね
素晴らしかろうが勝てなきゃそれまでだよ。勝ちこそ最良。
フランスの選手は勝ち方を知ってましたね。無理せず延長戦に持ち込むなど冷静だったと思います。
斉藤選手はいい勉強になったと思います。
this referee doesn't know judo!!!!! I don't get it that 2nd&3rd Shido that Saito got
Come on! He dived each time he was in danger, clearly dominated at the end.
how would these two do at Sumo?
とりあえず道着を頭にかぶせておけば技はかけられないだろうというリネールの作戦勝ち。コーチがしっかりしていないから斎藤は負けた。こういう試合の時はセコンドって重要だよ。
Sorry guys, we were all going for Saito maybe but he deserved the final shido. He went down way too many times.
Looked like Saito attempted attacks, uchimata. Looked like Riner just defended, never attacked…on that basis Saito,should hav been given the decision, but it should take a throw, hold down or submission to win, is this Judo?
Ridiculous referee..riner did nothing but to defend.saito needs more international experience
I can’t stand seeing saito with a blue judogi and riner with a white one
Attendons les jeux de 2024 a paris saito prendra sa revanche
Oui, il a pris sa revanche
That tower reflects strength..... that's what spectators like to see, unfortunately not technicals which take years to come to harvest
Riner was just pulling Saitos gi over his head like some hokey brawl. Not a fan of that
Riner's tokui-waza? Hansoku-make
Deserved win for Riner i.m.o.. Would have liked to see some proper throws but he was the better and more experienced judoka. At least he looks like an athlete and not like a sumo wrestler.
So Sumo wrestlers aren't athletes and bodycomposition is important for judging af judofighter's ability... got it 👍
@@bjarkebuch861 Well I have to admit that Saito's body composition is quite common in the +100 kg cathegory... But I also think that is the reason Riner has been able to completely dominate it for over a decade. In no other weight class do you see fat judoka's other than the + cathegories.
In a note, the entity admitted that the referee at the edge of the tatami and the Refereeing Commission did not see the counterattack applied by the Russian Inal Tasoev, in the final of the +100 kg category at the 2023 Judo World Cup.
Riner's first penalty was very debatable. Riner, even when looking rusty, is better than Saito. When Riner gets fully on form he will crush Saito. Keep in mind Teddy is 35 now, which is like 50 in many sports. The greatest judoka ever, even when looking sloppy, as in this match. A more focused Riner will again beat everyone else. Saito admitted afterward that Riner is simply better.
Teddy 🐻 bear Reiner was.kivked off two times.ny the Georgian fighter Tutishvili but shame to the euro federation and jury not excepting these winning games. But the Winner 🏆is TUSHISHVILI 🇬🇪🇬🇪🇬🇪🇬🇪🙏🙏🙏🙏
道着を頭にかぶせるのはずるいな。両サイド見えなくなるから隅返し見えなくてかかりやすくなる。
すぐ待てかけて道着戻させないと。
ちゃんと練習したらというか今でも柔道は斎藤の方が強い。
ただ、この試合はやっぱり負け。
次普通に投げて勝ってほしい。
リネールってホンマに息が長いチャンピオンやね。尊敬する。
でも勝ち方はあんまり好きじゃない。
I’m um oh yah ready to grab da guy and do a judo 🥋 throws, but wen screw ups and went down straight hit head on da grounds, behind da guy mind must be like crap 💩 hahaha
I forgot to add I’m stuck
No estoy de acuerdo con el árbitro pues el japonés intento más proyecciones que el francés y solo el francés en la última etapa busco no proyectar si no buscar un desbalanse para marcar un punto de pasividad y utilizo su altura para alar pero no para proyecciones, le doy la victoria al japonés por mejor técnica y sacrificio y al francés le quito la pelea por trabajar a la defensiva y por ser un bulto grande.
Uchi -mata 99% of the time and that’s it!
Malheureusement pour moi ce n’est plus du Judo. Riner ne fait rien. Je préfère largement parier sur Saito si il y a une prochaine rencontre. Bravo pour avoir complètement dénaturé cet art martial.
11 fois champion du monde. Point final . Tu es déjà une légende . 🎉 l’es rageux feront certainement mieux 😂😂😂😂
リネールが斎藤の道着をしょっちゅう頭に被せやがるのを見ていて笑いが止まらなかった。
斎藤は「これやめさせろ」と主審に抗議しなきゃダメよ。
コーチだの監督だの周りがどうこうじゃなくって、選手である斎藤がそれをやらなきゃダメ。
そういうところなんじゃないかなー日本のJUDOが世界で通用しないのは。
Dennis vd Geest as commentator. Nice
Teddy est très fort mais Saito mérite la victoire
Teddy's height/physical/strength was far better than saito,so even if saito was more aggresive, teddy won.
the match wasnt fair the shido is just bullshit Saito had more successfull throws while teddy couldn't
Neither one had succesful throws... Saito needs to loose some fat if he wants to be world champion
Right Reiner judo is great 👍
I’m getting tired of people getting wins without actually getting throws or a sub. This is why higher level judo can be boring af. Let them fight and let’s see who gets thrown. These refs are impatient af.
これが本来の美事な日本柔道でしょうか?
体力勝負の様です。
◎試合のルールから根本的に問題の様です。
※各種の武術の経験者より・。
Oh look, it's Teddy RinerrrrrzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzZZZZZZZZZZZZ
Anyone knows kim min jong results?
Lost 3rd round
@@JudoHighlights2015 by whom?
@@user-uu2sf7mf9r tshishvili. Got held down
@@JudoHighlights2015 thanks
no good judge referee！
when Judo becomes Booooooring
As usual Riner wins by not attacking, boring
Riner. Sólo gana. X. Su fuerza. Bruta...sin. Mayor vtecnica
Teddy à ce championnat n’était pas à son maximum au niveau condition physique excès de poids qui le handicape au niveau mobilité et explosivité.
Saito is the real winner
É vergonhoso arbitragem favorecer francês
Real life is it
But for me kia ont is dit een thriller
Sumo or judo ???
Inal Tasoev is the champion!!! The Caucasian became the world champion in the last 4 weights. 2 Georgians, 1 Alan and 1 Armenian.🇬🇪☦️❤️
Tasoev used Reversion, doesnt count anymore
Why British commentator? This isn't cricket.
He’s been doing it forever. Basically the voice of judo
@@JudoHighlights2015 that's a shame
Liner is monster!
Federation admits error in Riner's victory in the final of the Judo World Cup
In a note, the entity recognizes an error in the decision for gold in the +100kg category in Doha by not validating a coup by Russian Inal Tasoev
Stop whining !
@@RegisLEVY go and take care of your life, deranged, affected and unloved.