It is bothersome. However, current electrical codes in the U.S. require it to be that way. The thinking is that if something hit the top of a plug in the wall, it would hit the ground wire prong instead of closing a circuit by falling across the two prongs if the outlet were flipped the other way.
Luke Stokes I’m not 100% sure it’s a legal requirement with building codes but it’s been years since I worked in the electrical industry. We ha guys that like to do them either way “just because” and many times it was like an iPhone/Android, Pepsi/Coke debate. Lol! I think it’s funny that it bothers us either way though, we are funny creatures. 😊
Tons more respect for this company now that I see that it's small and they seem to have good intentions despite their limitations. Nick seems like a genuine dude and didn't evade any of the questions. I signed up for DB months ago but decided in my mind it wasn't worth flying any pano missions if I wasn't guaranteed to be paid. I may revisit DB and fly some pains this weekend after all. Thanks for the interview Rob.
Awesome interview! Nick is a good guy and is always prompt to respond when I reach out. I've been flying panos in SoCal and it's been great for extra cash in between other shoots.
Good timing on this video. Dronebase has been great to work with and Nick is always a straight shooter. I support Dronebase and have 50 Pano's completed and headed for 100. If the FAA would offer instant verification I would crush it! Love that they require you to have your 107 or 333. Fly Safe!!
For those of us who do not fly DJI, do you plan on accepting pano shots from other drones, as long as tech requirements are met. for example , as long as the images are 4000x3000 and do not have fisheye distortion, will they be accepted?
Thanks Nick for the info. Been flying drone base in Southern California. I seem to be the only one in my area as there are dozens of properties and I seem to be the only one selecting. Hope to get some client missions soon ;)
WaaProdUSA seriously? u don't want to share your city? like i am going to take your panos, I have a very good paid full time, so i dont need your pano, i just wanted to share some experience and talk, sinple. and fyi i also did almost 100 panos in socal, good luck
Great interview with Nick! I've worked with Dronebase since they started and have had nothing but a great relationship with them. Nick is responsive and helpful and they take care of their pilots well. On another note, anyone have a suggestion for pano stitching software?
Your updated app now offers a feature "Fly". Has anyone used this feature with a DJI phantom 4? Any problems with the firmware update? Other apps seem to have some type of issue including fly-aways
What if I just shoot real estate and that's it how much work am I going to get I'm working on learning how to do mapping but right now I just do real estate can you put me to work
anyone ever knock on doors when you fly residential panos, or go through HOAs? just to explain you are there to provide a service (even if you don't have direct permission from the realtor). I know they are mostly vacant properties, but it seems to be the right approach. Dronebase is a great platform for someone like me who has real estate clients, but needs the volume in between. Nick seems to be an easy guy to trust. Great podcast.
Kyle Taylor I thought about that today. I went to do a mission and the people were outside. I thought about telling them that I was there working for DroneBase for aerial photography, but I left instead. 😂
Great Intreview, Great answers Nick. One question that wasn't asked that I've been wanting an answer to about client missions is; why is it that some jobs that are the same exact job, with the same exact shot list, and somewhat within the same area, have different payouts? For instance I was offered a client Mission that was an eight hour round-trip drive to the location for me to complete the mission and the payout was $300. Within a week or so later, I received another client mission that was in Kansas, mind you I live in Colorado. So it was now a 9 hour round-trip drive across a state border, into a completely different state for me to get to the location, and the payout that was offered was only $175. They were both the same exact jobs of a plot of land, with the same exact shot list, but yet the job in Kansas was almost half the payout of the job that was in my home state. That just doesn't make sense to me. I understand that Drone Base doesn't provide pay for travel expenses, but the jobs that have the same exact shot list of the same type of job, such as these plots of land, should have the same payout. Today I had to decline a mission because it was another plot of land pretty close to the plot of land that had a payout of $300. But Drone Base only wanted to payout $225 for the job. So I emailed Drone Base the day that I received notification of the client mission, which was two days ago, asking if they could increase the payout to $275. And then, this morning after not receiving a response back, I looked on my dashboard and noticed the payout got decreased to $200. So I was forced to decline the mission as it would not be worth it to drive seven hours round-trip, putting wear and tear on my personal vehicle along with the expense of gas, for a $200 payout. It just kills me to have to decline a client mission, but after a 10 hour day of traveling, doing the actual shoot, and then coming home and cleaning up the shots in Lightroom for delivery, ends up being a payout of $10 per hour :(
From what I have seen so far Nick seems to be completely transparent, and very quick at responding to emails. Sounds like they have a lot of ideas to take Drone Base and their pilots to the next level in the coming year. My suggestion would be to add a "For Best Results" section to the app, giving pilots rule of thumbs to use when taking Photos and Videos adding to the tips that they already give about properly shooting panos...i.e. use ND filters, set ISO as low as possible, shutter speed should be double frames per second and setting sharpness to +1 -1 -1(this is debatable, however the consensus is that this is the best setting for Mavic Pro, will most likely differ with other drones).
I have had a lot of trouble getting my panos to stitch and Nick has been extremely helpful and responsive. I have no problem with him and the pano problem ended up being because the house was right on a lake so the sticking would not work due to lack of control points. Another topic. However, I can not help but think that DroneBase, although an excellent place for drone pilots to get some experience and to start a business, is also really diluting the amount of money one can normally get for such a shot. Especially if they are going to negotiate the price of a pano and sell it for less than they were asking, all in the name of getting SOME MONEY to the pilot. Personally, I think they should stick to their pricing and let those that don't want to pay for the service, simply go without. Eventually, they will pay once all their competitors are using the service. Negotiating will eventually drive the price even further down. This is just my opinion and I know I do not have to use Dronebase, but as hypocritical as this may sound I will continue to do so for the practice and experience but expect to outgrow it quite quickly as the liability is not offset by the fee, not by a long shot. The early settlers truly take all the arrows.
This is for Paul to ask Nick....How does he advise a Drone pilot to deal with Cal Civ Code Section 1708.8 as Amended by Gov Brown? Under 1708.8, given that a drone pilot doing a "pano mission" can accidently capture a "private" image, he or she could hence be subject to a $5000-$50,000 fine. In light of the FAA's decision under Part 107 to leave Privacy laws to the State, resulting in no Federal Pre-emption of a state's laws restricting drone flights for Privacy reasons, that's a hell-of- a risk for a California Drone pilot trying to just make a few bucks.
Haha, yes! Love questions like this. So many of these drone tutorials talk in disgust of people flying drones over other people or people flying illegal airspaces, but yet this is illegal as well and they tend to ignore these issues because it flaws their business. "Judge me because I sin differently"
I still need to get a P107 but first need to get a better drone. I can't do anything for dronebase as of yet anyway. It sucks too since I also got an email saying they are giving away a P4P to the 10,000 flight pilot. I would like to enter but I have no way since entering is flying a drone for jobs. If anyone does win it you can send it my way.
He's right about the lowering price-points of drone photography. I shoot airborne DSLR 40+mb images and charge a base of $200. My competitors use DJI P3's, charging $75 for 5 shots and include a video for $100.
Nice interview and good information. However... everyone needs to understand that YOU are taking all the risk with these "pano missions." You do not have permission to be on that site (and I don't care if you're parked on the side of the road.) Paul and Rob seldom look at any of these comments, but let's just take into account that the DroneU was selling PROPERTY RELEASE forms not too long ago via an app... this seems like an oxymoron to me. Long story short and speaking from professional experience, you're setting a very poor professional example if you're showing-up filming someone else's property without permission. This is my whole problem with this concept. Find your own client missions WITH that all-important permission.
How has it changed in the past 3 and a half years? Can you remake a video so we get a update on how things are going for them?
Great Q&A - Great to be a part of two great teams! Thanks Nick Thanks Paul!
that up-side down electrical socket has activated my OCD!!
It is bothersome. However, current electrical codes in the U.S. require it to be that way. The thinking is that if something hit the top of a plug in the wall, it would hit the ground wire prong instead of closing a circuit by falling across the two prongs if the outlet were flipped the other way.
henry wilkie lol. 😂👍😂
Luke Stokes I’m not 100% sure it’s a legal requirement with building codes but it’s been years since I worked in the electrical industry. We ha guys that like to do them either way “just because” and many times it was like an iPhone/Android, Pepsi/Coke debate. Lol! I think it’s funny that it bothers us either way though, we are funny creatures. 😊
the builder who built my house used upside down outlets the ones that were switched (hot are right side up). Does that help?
Tons more respect for this company now that I see that it's small and they seem to have good intentions despite their limitations.
Nick seems like a genuine dude and didn't evade any of the questions.
I signed up for DB months ago but decided in my mind it wasn't worth flying any pano missions if I wasn't guaranteed to be paid.
I may revisit DB and fly some pains this weekend after all.
Thanks for the interview Rob.
Ive done some missions for dronebase, quick pay outs, pretty legit. Nick has always been prompt to respond to my emails.
Signed up last night. Great pod cast thank you Paul and Nick from Drone Base
Awesome interview! Nick is a good guy and is always prompt to respond when I reach out. I've been flying panos in SoCal and it's been great for extra cash in between other shoots.
Good timing on this video. Dronebase has been great to work with and Nick is always a straight shooter. I support Dronebase and have 50 Pano's completed and headed for 100. If the FAA would offer instant verification I would crush it! Love that they require you to have your 107 or 333. Fly Safe!!
For those of us who do not fly DJI, do you plan on accepting pano shots from other drones, as long as tech requirements are met. for example , as long as the images are 4000x3000 and do not have fisheye distortion, will they be accepted?
Thanks Nick for the info. Been flying drone base in Southern California. I seem to be the only one in my area as there are dozens of properties and I seem to be the only one selecting. Hope to get some client missions soon ;)
WaaProdUSA what city, i am from socal too:)
WaaProdUSA seriously? u don't want to share your city? like i am going to take your panos, I have a very good paid full time, so i dont need your pano, i just wanted to share some experience and talk, sinple. and fyi i also did almost 100 panos in socal, good luck
Great interview with Nick! I've worked with Dronebase since they started and have had nothing but a great relationship with them. Nick is responsive and helpful and they take care of their pilots well. On another note, anyone have a suggestion for pano stitching software?
$40-100 bucks a job isn't "taking care of their pilots well." I'm interested also in my ability to retain copyright to my images.
great interview, thanks to Chris for taking the time. just did my first pano mission this week, can't wait for the weather to clear up to do more
Is DroneBase active in Canada? Thanks eh!
I just registered for drone base...completed my profile,, where do I get the training nisfison so I can start doing the paid jobs?
Your updated app now offers a feature "Fly". Has anyone used this feature with a DJI phantom 4? Any problems with the firmware update? Other apps seem to have some type of issue including fly-aways
Do You need a 107 or 333 to use DroneBase
Yes, it's commercial
You didnt even link dronbase in the description?
Where is the guarantee that they sell to client but don't say they did it?
What if I just shoot real estate and that's it how much work am I going to get I'm working on learning how to do mapping but right now I just do real estate can you put me to work
anyone ever knock on doors when you fly residential panos, or go through HOAs? just to explain you are there to provide a service (even if you don't have direct permission from the realtor). I know they are mostly vacant properties, but it seems to be the right approach. Dronebase is a great platform for someone like me who has real estate clients, but needs the volume in between. Nick seems to be an easy guy to trust. Great podcast.
Kyle Taylor I thought about that today. I went to do a mission and the people were outside. I thought about telling them that I was there working for DroneBase for aerial photography, but I left instead. 😂
Great Intreview, Great answers Nick. One question that wasn't asked that I've been wanting an answer to about client missions is; why is it that some jobs that are the same exact job, with the same exact shot list, and somewhat within the same area, have different payouts? For instance I was offered a client Mission that was an eight hour round-trip drive to the location for me to complete the mission and the payout was $300. Within a week or so later, I received another client mission that was in Kansas, mind you I live in Colorado. So it was now a 9 hour round-trip drive across a state border, into a completely different state for me to get to the location, and the payout that was offered was only $175. They were both the same exact jobs of a plot of land, with the same exact shot list, but yet the job in Kansas was almost half the payout of the job that was in my home state. That just doesn't make sense to me. I understand that Drone Base doesn't provide pay for travel expenses, but the jobs that have the same exact shot list of the same type of job, such as these plots of land, should have the same payout. Today I had to decline a mission because it was another plot of land pretty close to the plot of land that had a payout of $300. But Drone Base only wanted to payout $225 for the job. So I emailed Drone Base the day that I received notification of the client mission, which was two days ago, asking if they could increase the payout to $275. And then, this morning after not receiving a response back, I looked on my dashboard and noticed the payout got decreased to $200. So I was forced to decline the mission as it would not be worth it to drive seven hours round-trip, putting wear and tear on my personal vehicle along with the expense of gas, for a $200 payout. It just kills me to have to decline a client mission, but after a 10 hour day of traveling, doing the actual shoot, and then coming home and cleaning up the shots in Lightroom for delivery, ends up being a payout of $10 per hour :(
Good video. My experience with Nick and Sean has been great.
Do I need the part 107 license if I fly for my employer?
yes
From what I have seen so far Nick seems to be completely transparent, and very quick at responding to emails. Sounds like they have a lot of ideas to take Drone Base and their pilots to the next level in the coming year. My suggestion would be to add a "For Best Results" section to the app, giving pilots rule of thumbs to use when taking Photos and Videos adding to the tips that they already give about properly shooting panos...i.e. use ND filters, set ISO as low as possible, shutter speed should be double frames per second and setting sharpness to +1 -1 -1(this is debatable, however the consensus is that this is the best setting for Mavic Pro, will most likely differ with other drones).
I have had a lot of trouble getting my panos to stitch and Nick has been extremely helpful and responsive. I have no problem with him and the pano problem ended up being because the house was right on a lake so the sticking would not work due to lack of control points. Another topic. However, I can not help but think that DroneBase, although an excellent place for drone pilots to get some experience and to start a business, is also really diluting the amount of money one can normally get for such a shot. Especially if they are going to negotiate the price of a pano and sell it for less than they were asking, all in the name of getting SOME MONEY to the pilot. Personally, I think they should stick to their pricing and let those that don't want to pay for the service, simply go without. Eventually, they will pay once all their competitors are using the service. Negotiating will eventually drive the price even further down. This is just my opinion and I know I do not have to use Dronebase, but as hypocritical as this may sound I will continue to do so for the practice and experience but expect to outgrow it quite quickly as the liability is not offset by the fee, not by a long shot. The early settlers truly take all the arrows.
This is for Paul to ask Nick....How does he advise a Drone pilot to deal with Cal Civ Code Section 1708.8 as Amended by Gov Brown? Under 1708.8, given that a drone pilot doing a "pano mission" can accidently capture a "private" image, he or she could hence be subject to a $5000-$50,000 fine. In light of the FAA's decision under Part 107 to leave Privacy laws to the State, resulting in no Federal Pre-emption of a state's laws restricting drone flights for Privacy reasons, that's a hell-of- a risk for a California Drone pilot trying to just make a few bucks.
Haha, yes! Love questions like this. So many of these drone tutorials talk in disgust of people flying drones over other people or people flying illegal airspaces, but yet this is illegal as well and they tend to ignore these issues because it flaws their business. "Judge me because I sin differently"
Nick, you should go on Shark Tank and get a deal with Barbara Cocoran. Since she has all those real estate connections maybe she could help you :)
I still need to get a P107 but first need to get a better drone. I can't do anything for dronebase as of yet anyway. It sucks too since I also got an email saying they are giving away a P4P to the 10,000 flight pilot. I would like to enter but I have no way since entering is flying a drone for jobs. If anyone does win it you can send it my way.
Alex Bryant do you want to enter the nba slam dunk contest on an 8’ rim also?
This is the drone equivalent of amusement park roller coaster snapshots they try to sell you on the way out.
lol. agreed
Right….
If this video was to tell people that DroneBase is useless, it worked.
B Spin that's honestly all you got out of this 40 minute long interview? wow
Dronebase pays so little. You're basically crossing your fingers. You're better off cold calling realtor.com listings
He's right about the lowering price-points of drone photography. I shoot airborne DSLR 40+mb images and charge a base of $200. My competitors use DJI P3's, charging $75 for 5 shots and include a video for $100.
Will Ward any tips on cold calling?
Nice interview and good information.
However... everyone needs to understand that YOU are taking all the risk with these "pano missions." You do not have permission to be on that site (and I don't care if you're parked on the side of the road.) Paul and Rob seldom look at any of these comments, but let's just take into account that the DroneU was selling PROPERTY RELEASE forms not too long ago via an app... this seems like an oxymoron to me. Long story short and speaking from professional experience, you're setting a very poor professional example if you're showing-up filming someone else's property without permission. This is my whole problem with this concept. Find your own client missions WITH that all-important permission.
This whole service seems kinda shady. Being payed to go fly around and take photos of other peoples property..
So if we are not guaranteed to get paid for these panos, how do we know that these photos are being used without our consent then?