MID SEASON NERFS Make me Finally HAPPY | Overwatch 2 Season 12 Mid Season Patch Reaction
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" on average dva has been underperforming " ???😂 , clearly its the devs who are underperforming
The Balance Team is smoking some hardcore shit, Next they'll say something about little magic fairies dancing in Junkertown
@@SilverKnight4970 How do we fix this? Buff Orisa.
@@Mathan_6_95 "Then on top of that give Roadhog a Riot Shield while he ults and give all Tanks an Uno Reserve card" -Some Crazy Balance Team Member on shrooms
@@SilverKnight4970 Shrooms would be enlightening. They're smoking rock.
@@Mathan_6_95 Right, Shrooms would be a complement. I love Overwatch but Jesus Christ, Did they hire the three stooges? it's Why I just play other games most of the time
Shocked at the reaction to orissa's 12th consecutive microbuff
What I'm saying 😭 at this point she'll get a micro-buff next patch as well
The armor change is gonna be a big nerf to her though so I view this as more of a compensation buff
this is what dva went through for the last 7 patches until she became mega OP
Orisa needs like 2 more microbuffs then she's meta, but they'll probably do those microbuffs and then increase her shots per second from 10 to 12 and she'll be hard meta
Can't wait for the cycle to continue where Mauga has to be buffed to stop Orisa and then Hog is gonna be Buffed to stop Mauga
rewarding sigma for missing is crazy
Further dumbing down of the game patch by patch. Let's face it they don't care about balance, their goal is to eventually release this on mobile and make bank off of the casual fanbase.
@@theIconOwns Tf2 is from 2007 and still havent done this dogshit of bad balance patches since season 9, u are right they are making this game more easier for the casual audience so they will buy their battle passes and shop skins kinda cringe ruining the competitive gameplay how it was before season 9 i will even say this might trigger someone but i strongly belive that double shield meta in ow 1 took more skill than any meta in ow 2
Sigma is balanced why buff him
I love it
eh, it lessens punishment for missing, but also rewards somewhat skillful tricks like bounce shots and splashing someone behind cover
its crazy how it still feels like the devs dont know what direction they want to take the game after 8 whole years
These aren't the same devs, all the old leads left.
That's because the devs right now are completely new and the old devs lefts years ago.
@@ئەنیمێ Microsoft probably left them with a skeleton crew
You shouldn't consider the OverWatch 1 team and the OverWatch 2 team as the same. For the most part, they're made up of entirely different people.
ow dev logic: ''our marathon isn't attracting enough runners, ok let's just allow people to ride their bikes''. yes you will attract more players in the short term by dumbing down the game and letting noobs be as strong as skilled players but you no longer have a sustainable competitive game long term. all the serious competitive players will leave (just look at high rank queue times now) and eventually all the casuals will get bored and leave too. devs are all dumb DEI hires who want to make a ''fair'' competitive game which means robbing SR from the good players and redistributing it to the bad players. all so they can increase engagement and sell booba skins (how progressive).
deleting ledgegrabs is such a stupid way to nerf genjis skill ceiling, its a harmless, cool movement trick that nobody ever complains about, why remove it, its existed since launch afaik
Holly shit no way they did that, why do they hate this hero so much
@@aleksandarjevtic5802 Hes projectiles and takes skill and isnt a cute girl
@@ultrabeanmachine1583 true
@@ultrabeanmachine1583 he's not really projectile
@@ni9274His Shurikens have travel time
fixing the infinite ledge grab removes a ton of genji movement tech when its not even strong smh
A small price to pay to nerf Kiri. It affects her too
@@Randomness662 affects genji significantly more because of the interaction with double jump and wall climb to the point where he feels a little more clunky now.
rip genji parkour
@@badlyMannyliterally the only reason that made me wish to download this game again, just for that. Well rip
@@badlyManny literally
Another season of watching helplessly as Dva jets in and obliterates the dps with micro missiles and jets out with 0 consequences
Wym she’s way frailer now and her juno speed combo got removed
They nerfed her bro, you should be able to kill her if she does that unless you're bad
@@ellamint360she’s overtuned
@@27thlegend70the nerf to junohyperring + boosters is not evn noticeable
Its still here@@27thlegend70
Wow, and just like I said, the moment Dvas skin left the shop, THEN they nerfed her. I've gitta say, at least they wear their greed on their sleeve
There are dva skin in the shop, and they didn't nerf many of the heros with skin previously in the shop
Excuses from salty DVa mains.
They didnt change what made her OP lmao
@@grooovytony4316oh they're still done deaf as fuck. There's no changing that.
There was just no way they were nerfing her while her collab skin was in the shop.
@@grooovytony4316oh, they're still beyond tone deaf, there's no changing that.
There was just no way they were nerfing her while her Collab skin was in the shop.
you can no longer ledge grab after wall climbing, it really fucks up A LOT of movement for genji. I didn't think it was possible but they nerfed genji AGAIN
Crazy the game is in such a state that this patch is considered a win
What the devs have done to this game is an atrocity
😭😭😭
Y'all already getting what you wanted but keep crying. You've given overwatch it's reputation
@@greysunomainthe fk u mean
Gosh you guys are never sastified with anything :(
@@greysunomain fr, there will be a new patch in a few weeks and we will keep seeing the same comments
"we dont want orisa chasing people down so we increased her movement speed in fortify"
this is the logic of the ow dev team and people tell you theres too much hate. they put no LOS flux in live they deserve it all.
Yeah.. this Dva nerf isnt shit, and Sombra perm invisibility didn’t get changed. Its a good day to quit
They said the Sombra and beam changes will be after mid season patch.
@@Mathan_6_95 not hard to change numbers now
@@borrow4654if all they did was give Sombra limited stealth via numbers, she would be one of the worst heroes in the game. She would also be extremely clunky to play because at the moment her stealth activates automatically. You can't really put it on a resource meter if you can't control when you activate the resource. If you have problems with sombra's design and think she should be awful then I don't blame you but if they do that they need to make sure they Nerf widow so hard she becomes unplayable at the same time.
If you actually play it out a bit, you'll notice that Dva is significantly easier to demech and can be very much hard walled by a Symmetra alone, you don't need a Zarya at all.
skill issue, get out of gold
6v6 already cmon. This is so dumb
Aww yes. Moira coalescence. The better Dragonstrike that moves with Moira, cannot be eaten, damages deployables, lasts longer, and heals self and allies.
😭 unbelievable that they buffed it
Coalescence and captive sun are better dps ults than a lot of the dps ults 😂
@@LeatherNinja Lmao, I see my Genji's pop Blade to bait out Immortality Field
They should’ve done more to dva ngl
Edit: can y’all stop fighting in the replies😭
Same. Squishies still suffer fighting against her. Was hoping they would do something with the micro missiles or her DM. At least something else.
Nerf Micro Missiles?
She could 1v1 anyone outside of other tanks easily and have a good amount of health leftover. Bro they basically didn't change her.
The objective it's to balance her, not kill her. They could have done more? Maybe. They probably ate testinf if nerf her life or matrix
100%
Revert back to season 8?? YEAH revert back to Season 8 of overwatch 1 MAYBE people will come back to your game
Overwatch 2 has around 50k players on steam
@@ni9274Is that a lot?
@@MinuteHenmore than halo, more than battlefield (not great comparisons 😂)
It jumped from 35k in season 10@@ni9274
@@MinuteHen Considering at 2016 peak they reported having over 1 million _concurrent_ players on a game you _had to buy_ I'd say it's NOT GREAT.
the hanzo and soon to be sombra changes are proof they are listening to a disgruntled playerbase, but still have no idea what they're doing because they dont play hanzo, even proofreading what they type in the pharagraph would show them it makes little sense.
i think they want hanzo to shoot slower because they always want compensation nerfs or buffs for anything going in the opposite direction for less community backlash.
players are bad and hate getting one tapped? we will slow down hanzo's fire rate for the players, instead of balancing for the high end.
and in 5v5 they love their cooldowns, so they're gonna keep them loaded, even though making him a sniper again brings back his painpoints with storm arrows. Nerfing the time it takes him to charge medium dmg will suck too. It's an 18% fire rate nerf.
There is no reason for Hanzo to be able to spam a projectile that can one shot, this has nothing to do with skill it's just about consistency, if you want to one shot you should deserve it 99% of the time
Also you people complain about widow all the time but apparently people who complain about hanzo one shot are bad.
"instead of balancing for the high end" Why would they balance for 0,1% of their playerbase ?
He got his one shot back bro, that absolutely compensate for the fire rate nerf
They seriously just fucked up nearly, if not every, Hanzo player's muscle memory.. Including mine.
I don't see why they needed to do a double tap for arrow nerfs like that, reduced arrow size and increased charge time.. like really?? Cant just nerf storm arrow
@@akillerpro7582 Very true. Have to learn all over again. Feels nice with the extra damage, but I'm not getting my picks like I usually do.
Yet they don't touch widow at all.
@@ni9274 Because it's easier for widow to get headshots? And becuase hanzo had his one-shot removed and widow did not?
“On average, she hasn’t been over performing” lmao perfect
Probably because they don't include Dva on Dva matchups (obviously) and since Dva is so strong a LOT of players (mostly low ranks which are the majority) insta swap to full beam characters. Statistics don't take into account what the players in the game do. Just the end scoreboard.
Gotta love statistics which DO NOT TELL THE ENTIRE STORY!!!
Sigmas direct hits getting nerfed is lame. Its true that the game is getting babified. They stay taking out skill expression
Direct hits aren't nerfed, the impact damage is reduced but was added to the splash damage so if you hit your shots you still do full damage but if you are spamming a corner (so not getting direct hits) then the explosion damage does more.
@@Chazza-01 i was only talking about the direct hits. I just dont like how they lowered the skill floor for an already strong easy tank
Im tired of this shit, every patch it feels like they have to buff atleast one braindead ability, ult or character as a whole
I don’t think buffs to zen will matter bc u still will have sombra virusing and shooting u before u can do anything.
This will just make it maybe a tad easier to take her with u when u inevitably die
So true.
it makes it so hes a better match against 250 hp heroes, he can two tap discorded 250 hp heroes
I got Zen to top500 this season and didn’t have much troubles with Sombra already
hog / DVA have always been off tanks. not a main tank. honestly, we just need the tank duo back. makes playing tank more fun too.
Tank went from being torture to terrible to not good and now we're at awful
Bring back 6v6
Option 1: Fix dash hit box
Option 2: Fix buggy deflect
Option 3: Fix wall climb randomly disengaging
Option 4: Fix camera locking after dash
Option 5: Fix that darned infinite ledge grab!
Which one did the devs put their resources into? WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO LETS GOOOOOO
Orisa getting her millionth microbuff
they threw away 8 yrs of muscle memory with hanzo loool
The problem with Season 9 is that it was a band-aid on a stab wound. It was a temporary and fun fix, but since it didn't help the main issues, those issues just got worse over time.
Until we can headshot orisa in fortify she should not get any speed changes
This franchise is beyond cooked... I've already accepted that we're never seeing the glory days ever again. They don't even release Cinematics anymore, nevermind balancing the damn game correctly.
"Tank players your role is fucked until they get rid of the 5v5 format"
Me: *Bloodythirsty Samoan Noises*
Dragon blade? Dragon strike? Nah Coal is the ult that needs compensation. I don't think genji has been touched since s9 but he just feels so hard to play especially after the global tank buffs. Genji players stay starved 😞
"We looked at the graph" I hate that they are looking at graphs and charts rather than playing the game and looking into player feedback
Spreadsheet says "good game design"! Ship it! Paycheck, please!
Something I think people glossed over was the projectile change to Hanzo's arrows.
At first, you'd think their size would be reverted to 0.1 m, but it's actually 0.75 m now since their base size was nerfed somtime after Season 9, which means their size is 25% smaller than pre-season 9. And now everyone else still got gigantic dumpster projectiles while Hanzo is firing literal atoms on top of having to fire them slower.
For reference, Widow's Hitscan radius is only 0.5.
Also also! With the draw speed nerf it just makes him so much more clunkier, jankier, and less reactive. If you still try and use your muscle memory, youll still roughly do the same amount of damage before. It feels like more of an excuse to make Hanzo more reliant on Storm Arrows, especially since their size is still 0.175
Giving a damage buff to cassidy flash bang is somewhat concerning knowing the potential burst he can do
sig ult got a "fix" so that dmg reduction does NOT reduce dmg against it
I absolutely love how they now buff the damage of everything because "they don't feel threatening anymore".
My brothers in christ, just revert the global health buff.
Sigma/Zen double sniper meta inbound
Most miserable meta in the game. I would genuinely rather be a Mauga meta.
its still crazy how the supports have better TTKs than dps poor poor honzo.
They nerfed Hanzos health to 225 so Hanzos could one shot each other in the duel, but then proceeded to forget to buff his health back when they just caved in and gave him his one shot back.
Hanzo players just can't catch a break.
You got your one shot back plus storm arrows remained cope
Tank player here (help)
Im infinitely more frustrated with storm arrow than with hanzo’s 1 shot. I wish they’d replace it with something like a fire arrow/molotov arrow.
You hate super tanks but how do you even push as a solo tank on 5v5. If they nerf tank anymore the pick rate will continue to plumet , 6v6 is the only way for them to begin the de-buffing of these tanks.
Why is it when it comes to tank buffs. they'll do it without anybody asking but for a DPS buff they'll drag their feet for weeks. and add a Nerf as well.
I play openq and those Dva nerfs may actually be huge.
Dva was pretty oppressively on openq too before the DF nerfs. After it she was still strong but not broken. With the armor nerf and her HP changes she may end up between okish to weak.
Devs hitting "go" on their random buff/nerf generator once again 🤣
This is such a mixed bag of a patch. Some good and some bad. But just doesn't feel impactful enough. I feel like lately they have been so scared to make real impactful changes.
Samito is 100% right, this will never change and it is an needless loop of power creep, OW was created with MAIN tank and OFF tank in mind, not every tank was intended to be main (hog for example) and these ''off'' tanks will either be overpowered or underpowered, 5 v 5 was, is and will be a MISTAKE
11:06 because most of the devs were probably apart of the COD dev team prior with how much they've turn OW into Cod, turning supports from field medics into dps with portable health packs and tanks from tanks into armor/shield sponges. The devs don't know how ow is supposed to work, so they just design everything into doing more or less damage. A big reason as to why they didn't just nerf all the dps and supports healing/damage and instead buffed everyones health, because it would've both taken too long and they don't know how to actually balance the games dps without buffing something else.
There’s no reason coalescence needed a damage buff 😂
And the comment was that it was not threatening enough like wtf. It can heal and damage at the same time and can hit multiple targets. It forces their team to separate to reduce its value while telling your team to group up to get the healing. How tf is that not threatening
As a support player, the way that devs baby the support role is so infuriating 😭🤦♀️
The MOST BRAINDEAD character in the game!
I mean that ult was trash so 🤷
@@evelynnleague2232 no it wasn’t. Damage and healing that requires zero skill what lol
You can literally fade in her ult. it’s strong
Genji hasn't been touched since forever 💀
no, they deleted ledgegrabs this patch and he feels horrible to play
@neonoir__ could you explain what ledgegrabs are? I'm not english and I'm having a hard time understanding what changed specifically on genji, what can't he do anymore? My boy keeps getting worse 😭
@@happenLTD on last patch, you could always climb up to a ledge you were slightly below, regardles of having used climb earlier. This let you do things like wallclimb, double jump, ledgegrab, to reposition yourself, generally allowed you to use wallclimb more freely since you had a safety net to fall back on, and also made up for wallclimb being a buggy mess sometimes. It was a part of how climb has always worked, that they randomly decided was a bug 8 years later
@@neonoir__ broo 😭
I couldn't understand what ledgegrab meant, thank you tons for explaining, really ! And yeah, it makes absolutely zero sense that they choose to "fix" this now. Genji already being one of the worst heroes in the game is now even worse. Feels like more and more they try to remove the ceiling of characters and reward the easier stuff. Welp, nice job blizzard ig
Good!
Soldier is still pretty bad despite being slightly indirectly buffed due to the armor nerf
Tank has been hella fun all season and last season. "No one plays tank", well, they definitely fixed that. Queue times had increased for me.
I hard disagree, its been nothing but a counterswapping shitfest where you get blamed for everything
I'm 99% sure with Hanzo, they're trying to remove the annoying 1 shots by aiming down 1 tiny lane for most of the match. The smaller projectiles help with this a lot (in comparison to other's projectiles) and maybe him needing more chargeup time will help. They don't care to nerf storm arrow for this, since it doesn't remove the spamming down 1 lane and getting o n e shot. Getting one shot by SPAM instead of actual AIM is the annoying part of hanzo's kit. You're not gonna get kills on widow SPAMMING down a lane with no aim. Hanzo does need aim a lot of the time, and Widow is definitely the superior hero. But I think it's worth us talking about solutions to make Hanzo better to fight for the average player, cause being 1 shot without aim like that isn't the solution sadly.
....... Widow is a hitscan, she doesn't spam like that.
Instead it's an instant shot that kills rather than an arrow that takes travel time. Besides his arrow hitbox did get reverted so it shouldnt be bad
Hanzo is ruined yet again. 250 headshot isn’t a buff its his ow1 dmg that was stolen from him and now they nerfed his arrow size so u can’t hit shit and they also slowed his arrow charge speed and lowered his health. They somehow managed yo make hanzo even worse then he was before this update amazing simply amazing. welp i guess he’ll get fixed in a year until then i quit. Let’s go Marvel Rivals!!!!!!!! Wooooooo
I can make this work. Honestly they should have just restored the damage with no charge rate nerf, and nerfed SA to like 3-4 count
This game is ow2 not ow1. You can hit if you can aim, literally went back to how he was previously
You're like a bronze player ? Hanzo is definitely better ?
@@ni9274 my point exactly how is it that ow1 hanzo is better than ow2 hanzo
The problem with Hanzo is the stupid ass arrow spam that is Storm Arrows, that's why Hanzo is annoying as shit. He should be able to one shot if Widow's hitscan ass can
@@ni9274 and for you info I’m a gm hanzo with 5000 hours on hanzo and i can actually hit shots I’m telling u this is a obvious nerf yet again
Zen getting a cooldown on discord really took away from his carry potential. Discord just feels so bad with a cooldown. In OW1 he could instantly switch it while launching a volley. Bring that back!
Seriously, they took Discord from 0-second cooldown to 7-second cooldown, in one change! And now they reduce it by 14%? This won't make Zen viable in more than rare circumstances, because everything else in the game just swarms over him.
@@blahblah49000 exactly. It’s so easy for tracer or genji to put discord on cooldown then rush you.
Clearly you weren't much of a tank player in early ow2, you are solo tanking with a permanent 30% damage modifier on your head, it literally made most of the tanks so bad to play
@@Lúci-o-ohs trueee. I just got into it recently and it was very noticeable. That makes sense.
@@luiegiii it would of maybe been alright if they only put the cooldown in the game for tanks so he's much more threatening to a tracer or genji etc without the tank oppression, but he might be really good now with his recent ult charge buff with these changes. Sombra and tracer will still be just extremely hard to fight, group respawn could help that though.
Sig's no primary self damage is an indirect buff to boop heroes - when he can't damage himself, he can't also do the micro boop that denies the attacker the ult charge
They should lowkey remove role passives and just switch to the choosable passives I feel like that was much more fun
The intent with decreasing hanzo's fire rate is that weapons lean more into spam when:
- They have a large clip size
- a higher rate of fire
- They are inconsistent/slow (i.e projectile)
I think hanzo one tap is a shit mechanic, but I mean, if you can either have one tap or fire rate, which are you picking?
Both, they already reduced the arrow's hitbox. Increasing the time it takes to shoot will feel like complete shit against Reaper and Tracer.
And Hanzo needs 1 shot arrow to do real dps stuff considering double whammy of higher health pools and higher healing
@@akillerpro7582 When did we heighten healing? What healing does he need to cut through if he one taps? What happened to this "strengths and weaknesses" we push for when talking about other roles?
@@akillerpro7582 no character needs a one shot, he needs a rework.
@@jacobbaartz7710 we don't need to talk about the several times base healing is increased for a support... Or healing abilities... Or immortality abilities that heal like suzu... Or on a semi-related topic of certain other abilities like cardiac overdrive, or jq shout, etc giving over health ontop of healing...
Where's the strengths and weakness in Bap who's a better dps than most if not all the cast? Or Kiriko who can teleport away from danger... Illari with healing pylon?? dva even with how broken she is in 1v1 scenarios, should you also talk about Sigma and Ram whos been micro buffed again and again to the point they're general tanks that have tools against dives and are nearly unstoppable if you know what you're doing. And let's not forget about ultimates that also give overhealth or healing and have been adjusted, like Bap window that was made wider, you can give a lot of healing through that.
And to answer your thing about strengths and weaknesses, Hanzo has a few. Dives for 1, and making him waste shots trying to hit you by threatening to attack him. Play Hanzo before talking to me again.
@@calus_bath_water you probably use Sombra whos a perma invis assassin.
Seriously though have any of you ever used Hanzo?? Youd quickly find out why him having a 1shot is essential for his kit
I am so glad i quit this game way less anger and rage way less dissapointment and way more sun lets gooooooooooo!
I thought this guy said goodbye last year.
I just realized the most fun I have with OW2 is coming back to it once in a while and enjoying Blizzard STILL running in circle with its game design.
Has he found out about the wall climb "bug fix"? Its literally a giganerf to Genji. Its been in the game for YEARS and this "bug fix" actually shut down the Genji Parkour gamemode.
shocked to see this man smile once in his life
If they want Tank to feel Tanky, The Solution is simple, Just Nerf the things that melt them down quickly as well as the Abilities that cause survivability. Not to crazy amounts but just enough to where the tank can feel tanky.
If Hanzo had a precharge like with Weaver it might solve the spamming headshots (devs POV) but give Hanzo the ability to get a quick pick in pre -fight or on engage.
ya solo tanks need no armor or health bro ur so right. Brother without 6v6 they get fukin dumped on
1:04 LUCIO IS SO BACK (they will buff knockback resistance next patch)
Oh for sure! But I’m gonna enjoy the stacking Lucio buffs while they last lol
Nah but that 10% knockback reduction they did a while ago got me saying "He literally dies last patch" whenever someone was a sliver away from getting booped off
Thats the thing tho, a chicken with no sense of direction will sometimes move the right way, after completely missing it 100 times before.
So venture loses 15 hp overall, the first used ability gave 45 i think and capped out at 75 max, now to 60. I feel like venture’s burrow ability is like .15 seconds to slow entering the ground. Even when I try to play really safe to be able to get out I feel like it’s just barely too slow
Idk what ur doing then bcuz she’s way too safe and can burst down a squishy while getting out way too easily.
@@VoyagerProd. haha I’m prolly just blitzed rn, my bad. I guess I just want to “power creep” her cuz she’s so much fun to play. But I’m sayin like if you playing against all the sombra and doomfists that are actually good and you play an off angle I feel like I can’t even get one shot off without taking damage instantly, I try to burrow and they just punch you and if you accidentally hit them with ur drill dash you’re just fucked. Idk the extra 15 hp bonus seems crucial in those more really intense fast moments. But yea I just really like her kit and don’t want her to be able to get shit on even more lol. The burst potential is super good but if you don’t play your absolute best game ever I feel like you get no damage or any value in a lot of matchups.
@@disher_ that’s valid. She’s definitely a feast or famine character. In my games she’s either 40-4 or 10-15. When she’s left to do what she wants she can just constantly pick people off in cheesy 1v1s.
Hard getting used to the muscle memory of the Hanzo changes 3 seasons with bigger projectile and the charge up time should be reverted imo but still pretty happy the 1 shot is back
Last patch for LW was a great direction for him and this patch just expands upon that, as a LW main I've been maining Juno this season cause she's a blast. I can honestly say she's made me like LW less than how I used to, but this will help bring more fluidity to him and overall make him more fun to play as, until they inevitably change something for no reason at some point like always.
I’m ok with a longer charge as long as I can headshot. Less spam too, so it’s a win
To be fair, power creep has always been happening since OW1 so its not just a one tank issue
It’s very weird how scared they are to give hanzo a solid buff, it’s always a buff and a nerf
I want to see mercy be able to dual wield would increase her skill cap and bring her damage on par with other supports. Watching a pharah mercy air battle where both mercys shoot would be epic
Zen does 62.5 damage per shot on a discorded target now. That's 250 damage with 4 orbs. Zen can now 2 tap 250 HP squishies again
Our boy is back, finally!!!
The bow draw speed is just muscle memory, it's acceptable
The Hanzo change reminds me of the kiriko change with her speed on kunais, it really ruined the muscle memory between throwing kunai and healing. I don’t like it and I have a feeling it’s the same thing with Hanzo players now
What's obvious is that Blizzard creates patches and determines adjustments based on data -- a very limited and short-sighted approach to balancing. This is evident by their repeatedly pointing to "performance for X time" justifications. Ideally, you want to balance and actually play the game, the latter of which should have much higher weight.
They are missing all of the second-order (and higher order) effects of game balance, which is why they continuously release poor patches (with the occasional "broken-clock" patch).
The perfect example of this is the DVA nerf this patch. From their data and the incessant (rightly so) complaints about DVA, they make an adjustment without any regard for whether another tank, or tanks, are also broken -- DVA was simply *the most* broken. Now if this nerf is hard, people will start exploring other tank options to optimize. DVA's pick rate will go down the toilet, and subsequent buffs will follow until their data is correct for her again. This results in never-ending tail-chasing for balance.
In addition to this, the devs have a history of blind double-dipping. Even if they are using data, they are constantly creating moving target scenarios. What's double-dipping? They nerf DVA while buffing Hog + Orisa. They don't even HAVE the DVA nerf data and are adjusting other tanks - which means another half season of potentially (really high probability) awful games.
Nerf Winston and DVA, then buff Orisa and Roadhog. This is all that you need to know about the state of the OW balance team. They’re out to lunch. They left to get milk from the store 5 years ago. Non existent balance team.
Season 9 needs to be reverted ASAP. The only positive was the passive healing out of combat.
I said it over and over s9 was awful when it dropped. smite did the same shit and took years to revert. Oddly enough, to its “season 8” status. Health changes were so trash and I’ve barely played since.
venture nerf hit me like a truck😢
Flash, bodyshot, melee =185 dmg, so he just insta kills tracer now
How is this good? All of the braindead heroes got buffed.
I think the reason they are not removing headshot passive for tanks is how widow intracts with queen, zarya and orisa.
And i get it because if they remove that these 3 tanks will become unplayable.
Reducing spam on hanzo and increasing his damage is a huge W in my opinion. Like why did they take this long? It seemed like the most obvious solution to balancing hanzo. His problem was never the one shot. It's the spam. Storm arrow is an ability so the firing rate is fine (kinda..they might need to increase the cooldown)
One-shots are always a problem, no matter which character it is. They are fundamentally anti-fun.
Im tired of seeing old overwatch things get changed. Armor shouldnt be removed, neither should stuns, one shots, knockbacks or anything else that was a part of the game. Even immortality. These things can be changed to be reasonable, and often times were more reasonable in the first game. Im sick of making this game a shittier Paladins, crossed with Valorant.
Immortality granting abilities don't belong in the game and have contributed to the worst meta's we've seen and most unfun character kits to play against. Abilities should be focused on playmaking potential not denial denial denial.
@@rizaadon I don't agree. While I think the immoralities in the game need work, i think they could be kept, but adjusted to a reasonable level. I am curious, does Zarya bubble count as an immortality?
@@fettbub92what do you mean reasonable? There's nothing you can do to immo to make it reasonable because it's immo.
@@LeatherNinja I disagree. Lets take Baptiste and his lamp. It could be changed to have the base health be dropped to 1HP, could have the lamp havr only 50HP, and the effect past only 2-3 seconds. That alone is a massive improvement.
When it comes to things like Kirikos cleanse, Blizzard could remove the immortality, or remove the cleanse. They could even adjust the cooldown to only effect one person. That could work for Lamp and Suzu. Instead of an area of effect, have it be tied to one hero, like Nano.
@@fettbub92 it would be terrible if it had 50 hp so that's not exactly reasonable. Immo would only work behind walls and that's still cringe.
The never do anything with soldier 😢
Yo I've been saying to myself for over a year that Lifeweaver needs more ammo on his thorn volley. Lesgoooo
to me the hog buff is kinda a net nerf since they didnt add healing capacity to breather. he will have less overall DR since breather will run out faster now.
We’ve been circling around and around and around and around and around the same cycle.
They could make the next 15 patches good and it won’t change the fact the base game won’t be fun until they revert the awful hitbox changes
Storm arrow was nerfed so much. It used to 80 damage per storm arrow for 6 shots. Now its 60 damage per storm arrow (maybe 50 not sure) and its 5 arrows
It is 75 now... And 6 arrows were nerfed to 5 almost 6 years ago. I ow2 he always had 5
Balance team will have a completely broken tank, do not nerf them fast enough and so they start micro buffing all the other tanks because no one is playing them because everyone plays the broken one and then they eventually nerf the broken tank enough that the micro buffs for the other tanks make one of them now broken...and the cycle continues. Its really bad.
Waiting on someone to make a video on the devs making changes and then reverting the changes back.
They said they want to remove shots, now characters one shot again...
Increased health pools to make it feel like your not being deleted, then went an nerfed health pools..
Orisa and hog get nerfed because they're unkillable... then they get micro buffed and micro buffed.
Buff Armour then nerf Armour
Nerfed supports because they had to much power... now buffing luccio and zen dps
Season 9 changes were perfectly fine for 80% of the player base. Hanzo is fun without the one shot. Being randomly shot and dieing in one hit to a hanzo is not fun.
Increasing bullet and projectile sizes was a bad idea to begin with in my opinion
omg hanzo one shot back, finally i can play overwatch again, but fuck i'm gonna struggle with that charge time change ._.
Hanzo players when they have to actually play the game instead of just one shotting every squishy by looking in the general direction of their head:😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
@@calus_bath_water i think you don't understand what the season 9 change did to hanzo ^^ it's excactly the opposite. s9 was rng spam bullshit, while before you could play with aim (sure spamzo was viable too, but in s9 there was only spamzo).
@@calus_bath_water General direction lmao. Widow does the exact same thing
I think the hs reduction passive should be changed at least to around 15% instead of 25%.
I dont care about the boops, tanks should have resistance to that honestly, and change especially the ult charge, that would be great, in fact, remove that passive all together.
I came straight over here after I saw the Hanzo changes. At least some good things came of this patch, always great to see. Though I can't help but notice they called his normal bow "Storm Bow" in the patch notes? Is that both the name of his bow AND the ability?
One thing I've noticed is that OW2 devs don't like to just not touch a hero that doesn't really need changes. If one hero gets changes they feel compelled to change everything a little bit. It seems like a small thing but that bad habit over 40 seasons makes the game balance _unrecognizable_ compared to its original state
Dva micromissiles not getting nerfed still is crazy
I'm sooo happy as a Zen Main. To help destroy the tanks. And it's so hard to fight reaper bc he's a tank buster. Who should actually be nerfed. Reaper is ridiculous right now. Especially with Heros like Hanzo and Echo who are 225 HP. Not fair.