@@synon7449 It's true that Toon Link seen in Smash is mostly strongly based on his Wind Waker/Phantom Hourglass incarnation, but the spirit of Toon Link design is used in a lot of Zelda games all featuring technically different incarnations of Link, including Tri Force Heroes (which ALBW Link but he is redesigned to have the Toon Link artstyle) and Four Swords(Adventures), The Minish Cap, and technically Spirit Tracks (technically a different Link incarnation). I think it's fine to say that Toon Link's last appearance is Tri Force Heroes.
Not gonna lie I kinda want Sakurai to step down he’s shown his bias time and time again and his anti biases with Zelda, Modern Kirby, Wario Land, and freaking Sonic.
“Shulks not going to be in the game, it’ll be Rex or something” “Pyra never should have existed take your shulk” (While playing XC2 music in the background)
Xenoblade is great and realistically it’s only going to get more popular. I think smash 6 will have 3 Xenoblade reps including the current 2 and one from Xenoblade 3 (assuming that’s coming out in the next few years)
I'm not sure if I'm saying this as copium for being a terry main and a big KOF fan, but I think terry has a very good chance to stay in for Smash 6. Mainly because of how big of a KOF fan Sakurai is and also because of how cooperative SNK was when it came to Terry being added, seeing as how they allowed like 20 KOF characters to cameo in Terry's stage and how Terry came with 50 songs some of which were from games Terry never appeared in like Metal Slug and Athena.
If your thinking of it through the lens of only 25-30 chars staying I would say yeah that pretty much is copium, Sakurai likes pretty much a ton of these characters
Funnily enough, around the time Coney did this tier list, Fire Emblem Heroes announced that Marth would be getting a weapon upgrade along with several other things to bring him back to top tier.
I'm not sure Coney fully understands Smash. It's a celebration of games, not just current games, they bring old characters in all the time, why does he think every character who isn't getting a game every year is out lmfao
Pretty sure K.Rool should stay in as the resident villain for the DK franchise and the franchise had 2 villains prior. I’d put him in could go either way because it was hard to get him in the first place if I remember properly
Sakurai probably won't do the next game if it's not just an ultimate port, & I think Ultimate Will just be ported, still though, Palutena/Pit are kind of central figures in Smash lore now so they might stay as main cast even without Sakurai there
I think Banjo stays, Microsoft and Nintendo’s relationship has grown significantly and I think Microsoft understands as much as Nintendo how iconic and important addition Banjo was to Smash.
As someone from the future I can say the Ryu take aged like Milk, Street Fighter 6 is so accessible to new players and well selling Ryu in my mind is almost guaranteed to be in the game
More like "who do you think the series is named after?" If LoZ for some reason gets only two slots it's Link and Zelda for sure. Imagine cutting the character that one of the most beloved series of all times is named after from your roster. Bad take.
I honestly think banjo is a shoe-in for smash 6. Microsoft has been so lenient with him being on Nintendo consoles, he’s on the N64 switch online thing. Sora on the other hand could most likely not appear. Disney owns the rights to the character, not Square. I can also see Capcom pulling out any of their characters. SNK could probably use the extra publicity for fatal fury so they’ll keep him in. Out of any of the Metroid reps, Dark Samus is the most likely to go. I love FF7 but I can see square not wanting cloud and sephiroth to be in smash 6. Kirby reps will definitely stay as is, all three are iconic to the series as a whole.
@@Piyamakarro I've heard that Microsoft was somewhat lenient when Nintendo wanted Banjo in Smash. Plus op is absolutely right about Microsoft letting Nintendo use Banjo for the N64 ports being a decent bit of evidence to this leniency.
If Microsoft keeps their relationship with Nintendo as it is, Steve will 100% return, and might as well get Banjo while they're at it, they were very surprised at people's reactions, featured Banjo in their thumbnails in the "Nintendo Switch has games" and "Big Moments & Highlights" videos, they know people went apeshit for them, so I'd say they have a very decent shot, even if the series stays dead for as long as Smash 6 even begins its planning phase, the deal was easy to make and people loved their reveal, I don't see why they wouldn't have a good shot (unless they decide to remove 3rd parties or Microsoft goes back to being stubborn with stuff like this)
Ehhh, Shulk's gonna make it back. The Xenoblade series has become Nintendo's premier RPG franchise, and they've pushed the games pretty hard the past few years.
@@hunbi1875 Fire Emblem is a SRPG and Pokemon while a RPG, isn't really marketed as one nor is it presented as one by Nintendo- it's presented very much as a casual game for the casual crowd, and somewhat as a competitive multiplayer game with VGC events. For the singleplayer RPG crowd, Xenoblade is the franchise that Nintendo is pushing.
Joker is staying in the next game, Atlus will do anything to have their most iconic protagonist in ANY game they can (source: every single Persona 5 crossover that was really unnecessary)
As much as you don't care about him, trust me that Ike DEFINITELY is staying in Smash Bros. He is the constantly winner of multiple Fire Emblem based popularity polls to this day; (Watchmojo, Fire Emblem Heroes, the old Smash Polls, etc.) and is well liked by casuals. He is also the only Fire Emblem character to be the main character in multiple games in the franchise that aren't remakes ir spin-offs of any kind. Sure the games sold low, but Path of Radiance came out 4 months before the Wii was coming out and people are only interested in the sequel game now because no one knew Ike was in the game (they tried the faux protagonist thing) and they messed up the localization. Considering that, I'm sure that says a lot more for the character itself. Ike is practically the Greninja of Fire Emblem. I can see the other Fire Emblem characters leaving, except maybe Robin who definitely needs a rework but is from the most iconic game in the series. Ike has a lot going for him to stay. He has the best chance of all Fire Emblem characters to be a mainstay.
I've said for a while that Ultimate is the creative peak of smash and every game after it will get diminishing returns. They will be a rehash of ultimate at best and a severe downgrade at worst. Nintendo should port the game to newer consoles with continuous updates and new content. If a new game needs to be made, it should be so radically different from ultimate that its existence would be warranted.
yeah, if the next smash game does cut characters, it will never sell as well and a lot of people will just stick with ultimate forever. (like the melee communities stuck with the game for 20 years) why play the same game that just has significantly less content than the previous one? especially if ur mains aren't in it. im really hoping for a port with like 8-12 new characters and new dlc waves, and improved online. Thats prolly best case scenario were gonna get. Cuz if the games not a port many characters will prolly get cut. And I dont wanna go back to bringing back old characters as dlc. Like a smash ultimate deluxe
i dont think adding all the old characters and not changing their movesets at all has to be the "creative peak". there's so much to work with on movesets and they do very little when it comes to old characters.
@@lillieofthevlly I agree, the way the devs handled Luigi in Ultimate is a bigger pile of garbage than all the low and bottom tiers combined. Yeah, they gave him his Poltergust for his Grab, but they also should've given him more power-ups, his ground pound, Mario and Luigi moves and Luigi's Mansion moves. That way, we can remove his ZTD while also making him less one dimensional and pay more homages to his awesome games!
My god I actually forgot the reason Ice Climbers wasnt in Smash 4 because they actually couldn't program them on the 3DS. Another reason they deserve to go back to Mt. Everest or what ever mountain they climb and wobble each other until no stock
Imagine if they tried to spin cutting the roster by over 50% as not a travesty, that would certainly be something. I know that there will be several cuts for the inevitable next smash bros, but holy fuck that's actually insane, even the dinosaurs couldn't justify that
@@r.o.brobot3296 Pokemon cut 90% of their roster and still pinned it as a sensible thing to do even tho they're the most popular franchise in the world so it wouldn't be the first time
there is no possible way that Sora WONT come back. Sakurai wouldn't spend all that time an effort just for one game. And Honestly, I don't thinK Disney would be that stingy with Sora coming back. Sora is coming back for sure, especially considering he was the most wanted character and he was the biggest possible character they could reveal.
I disagree with putting Lucina that low. Realistically if a Fighter has an echo Fighter and they're returning, there is Literally No reason that the echo fighter shouldn't return as well. Like why would you keep Chrom and not Roy for example? It's not too much extra work to include Roy as well. I would say it also extends to some of the other clones as well but I would say less so
The thing is with Lucario is that he’s too iconic. Same with greninja. They made such a huge impact in the main Pokémon anime that it would be so difficult to cut them. I would put rework for Lucario and probably staying for greninja.
Unless Smash 6 becomes a new melee, I am afraid that the series might take a downhill turn after Ultimate. Smash Ultimate was HUGE for both Casual and Competitive and the idea of "Everyone is Here" was AWESOME. Only a handful of characters got discontinued from one series to another but there are a LOT of characters in Smash Ultimate, so I understand if a lot of characters get cut, but it will still be very sad nonetheless. Who knows, I could be very wrong (I'm no expert).
Ultimate does NOT need to be the new Melee. It just needs less input lag, a better buffering system, the return of For Fun and For Glory, better balance changes (think Smash 4 Mewtwo's buffs) and moveset revamps (especially for touch-of-death characters and/or characters that rely so much on a specific move, like Luigi)
Hero becomes a Bowser Jr for old JRPGs where each alt is from a different series. Lloyd fans, Chrono fans, and Isaac fans I'm sure will be thrilled to see their characters represented as alts 2-4 on Smash 6 Hero
Marth and Roy stay for the same reason Fox and Falco do: They're beloved Melee characters. Lucina and Chrom stay cuz they're clones and don't require much work to make.
I see Ike sticking around way better than Roy. He's more popular, his playstyle is different and more casual friendly, he was the only FE character to get a sequel to their game. I'm honestly surprised no one has fought over Ike, his popularity rivals Greninja's popularity in Pokémon.
With outright replacing a character I think you need a character that could provide a similar playstyle and in a game like Smash I think that some characters like Ridley are either outright cut or they stay due to them not really having any suitable replacements, at least not ones I can think of off the top of my head.
Lucina, Ike, and Roy are some of the most popular fire emblem characters (they won the first Fire Emblem Heroes poll for most popular characters). I feel like they won’t be so easily cut
I feel like when it comes to smash 6 it comes down really to two factors for guessing who stays and who doesn’t and each factor can produce a completely different list. 1 the amount of characters Nintendo wants to put in the game. 2 whether or not they want to go through the effort of licensing third party characters.
Lot of people aren’t thinking about the next game being a rebootthat has mostly new characters, every smash before has mostly reused the previous games cast and added new characters but the next smash game wont be additive it has to be innovative. They expect all there characters to be in smash by default so when you say they “logically shouldn’t be in the next one” they see that as there characters being taken away instead of just not making the cut Also how much does coney actually know about fire emblem because that marth take was PRETTY questionable
I agree with almost all of this except for Ryu and Cloud. Even though they don’t have a ton of relevance they are still in the iconic tier I feel like. And Shiek has been in every game since Melee so I wouldn’t be surprised if they made Zelda the Melee and Brawl way where you can switch.
This is most likely my bias for fighting games but there needs to be at least one to stick or at least be in the game. They are so fundamentally different from the rest because of there inputs and how that plays into strategy for most players. Along with the fact that sakuri got his idea when playing a fighting game, it would be nice to show the roots of smash
Ive been thinking that if they make a new smash game, it should be a smaller spinoff game where all the characters are rejects that people always wanted but never got anything more than a mii costume. Geno or Waluigi would be a good poster child for this game. Maybe you can make a tier list of rejected characters based on how likely they are to be in the game?
While I think there are many ways they can go with this, I think the four ways I'd expect would be: 1. "Everyone Is Here, But Again". Though since it was almost impossible to get everyone for base game in SSBU, i doubt they're gonna be able to do that now with 4 Square Enix characters (1 of also being Disney), Steve, and whatever happened before with Snake. 2. "Everyone We Can Get Is Here"; Most likely meaning all 1st-party and some 3rd party. I think this could go either way, since cut characters have been small before (though going from SSBU, this could definitely be an exception). 3. "Most Played Characters", meaning that if they do in fact pay attention to Smash online battles for balancing, they could also use that data to bring back the most played online characters and cut the least played ones. 4. "Specific Removals", meaning that it'd just be like games before SSBU. Like I said already, with how cut characters have happened in the past, I wouldn't doubt if only a small amount got cut, though I also wouldn't doubt if it ended up being like 30 removed.
I don't think they would ever get rid of Sheik or Zero Suit because they're both well liked, in series that don't have many characters in the game and there aren't many female characters to choose from
@@chrisrockett5897 Why? Renaming sheik to impa would bring a character to smash that better represents tge franchise, and i think sheik's sheikah warrior moveset fits impa perfectly. It may lack some references to impa's origins or playstyle in hyrule warriors, but it's a simple, elegant solution imo.
I feel like Min Min could be replaced by another character from arms like Spring Man or Kid Cobra. I don’t think there’s really such thing as a series “deserving” to be on the roster, plus every 1st party character with a truly unique moveset has always stayed unless system limitations prohibited them (Ice climbers on the 3DS). Each smash always gets at least one niche character and Min Min was that for this installment, I would personally put her in the “replaced by another rep” tier. But hey this is your list and your belief, I won’t complain :) Edit: I love that arms shirt. I want one!
I hate to do it to yal, but from a gameplay variety + representation standpoint, *4* Fire Emblem reps would come back... and the reps are Marth, Robin, *Corrin, and Byleth.*
The thing with lucario is that he is from diamond/pearl and the remakes of those games are coming out soon so he'd be more relevant. I think he's in the 50/50 tier more than the gone tier
Considering how much Nintendo has supported and promoted the Bayonetta series as a whole, I honestly believe Bayonetta's chances of returning are extremely high. Especially when 3 comes out. Another interesting take I have is Cloud and Sephiroth getting axed... to be replaced by Terra from FF6, you know... a Final Fantasy game that was actually on a Nintendo console.
This topic is always very entertaining especially when considering people expect more than 3/4 of the roster to be cut. Although honestly, I think the funniest part about the list itself is PAC-man and Kazuya
Nahobino will most likely get in the next Smash game alongside Joker I don’t see P6 protag making it in considering how close P6 and Smash 6 might end up releasing together.
I honestly doubt K Rool is never coming back. Just my opinion but he is played by so many people, he will most likely return in a future game, it might not be the next one, but it will be in the future.
Ngl idk if it’s because I’m a big SMT fanboy but i think Joker either comes back or gets replaced by a new rep rather it be SMT V’s protagonist or maybe persona 3 or 4s because SMT as a whole is fucking huge in Japan and the hype over there for SMT V is insane
I love wolf so much, but I pretty much agree with everything in this list if they don't go for the "SUPER SMASH BROS. CENTURY" as a sequel with 100 characters.
I'll be honest I think the entire Smash Ultimate cast is gonna get in, then they'll add a few extra characters, then DLC. If there even is another Smash game. I don't expect another one honestly Ultimate is gonna be so hard to top.
Tbh if we only get like 3 3rd parties, Kazuya's def one of them. Idk if his placement here is an underestimation of how huge Tekken is or some different reason
I know this video's a year old now, but still just gotta say, Mewtwo is THE most ICONIC Legendary of ALL TIME, not to mention the fact that Mewtwo has multiple movies centered on him (I believe 3?) and is one of the only two Pokemon to receive TWO Megas instead of one, the only other one being Charizard who you aren't questioning the iconic-nes of. I know, dead gimmick and all, but it all still stands as a testament to just how popular and iconic Mewtwo is. I'm certain the only reason he wasn't in Brawl was due to time constraints (out of all the beta characters in the files for Brawl Mewtwo has the most work done) and Nintendo decided to use Mewtwo as the face of Smash Bros. FINALLY getting DLC for the first time EVER! Why? Because Mewtwo is a LEAGUES bigger deal than Coney gave credit for. Also what you said about Pit hurts my feelings, but I kinda get it. Still though, I would've put him in the same bracket as Marth because he did at least get a game on the 3DS
Shiek in no chance in hell is, on a percentage chance scale from 1-100%, an inaccuracy of 127%. There's no chance in hell that she *isn't* in the next one.
Maybe if this was the list for the game coming after Brawl but for a post Ultimate Smash game this is just not correct. There is an almost 0% chance of any Nintendo owned character getting cut in future releases. Relevancy hasn't mattered ever with Smash, where legacy or fun factor mean everything. If you want characters that do or don't have a chance of returning, it's the third parties. Going through the list Sonic, Mega Man, Pac-Man, Ryu, Ken, Bayonetta, Joker, Terry, and Kazuya are all almost 100% guaranteed. They come from companies all super tight with Nintendo (Sega, Capcom, SNK, Platinum) or involved with the development of Smash (Bandai). Up in the air characters would be; Snake, Cloud, Sephiroth, Hero, Banjo, Steve, Simon, and Richter. Konami and Microsoft have pretty good relations with Nintendo so IF Sakurai was at the helm I'm pretty sure that their characters are coming back. Square is the only question mark because they just flip about how they're going to act on a whim. The single character that I think is an almost 100% guarantee doesn't come back is Sora SOLEY because of Disney. I don't think a game that can live up to Ultimate is going to ever be released again (or any time soon at least). That being said if Sakurai is at the helm of it again he's going to do his best to give us something amazing so I genuinely don't think there's going to be heavy cutting involved, especially with the CONEY logic.
Terry has a decent chance of returning. SNK is among the most cooperative companies regarding crossovers in the busines. In recent years they crossed over with Ubisoft and ArcSys for Samsho, Bandai with Tekken, Koei Tecmo for Dead or Alive, and Capcom for a couple rereleases, and that’s not even counting the things they did for KOF Allstars
I think Joker will be replaced because by the time smash 6 comes out (if it does) persona 6 will probably be out and persona will be a more mainstream series, since Joker being in smash definitely boosted persona 5 and persona 5 royals sales. But I would love if they replaced Joker with a protagonist from another persona or even smt game since it will encourage persona fans to play a persona game other than 5.
You make it sound like that the next Smash game (if there is one in the next 5-7 years) is likely to have less than 40 characters. Brawl had 39 characters; if your list is remotely accurate, the next game will have (not counting newcomers) 18-24 characters (that’s even less than Smash Melee.)
Ryu, yeah, Ken, I'm not sure, especially since Tekken has almost been out as long and is more popular than Street Fighter and SNK has been the face of fighting games forever, crossing over with literally everyone.
Honestly, I don't think a game being dead is a good argument for cutting someone from Smash. Like, Smash Bros is an excellent franchise to get people to know franchises they never knew about because they are not relevant, and not having that, would be sad. Also Megaman is not dead. We got Megaman 11 which sold well, and multiple Megaman collections. Like Megaman is slowly but surely becoming one of the most relevant franchises again.
Coney: Samus is NOT relevant
Also Coney: Toon Link isn't dead he still has Spirit Tracks (released 12 years ago)
@@fortnitefan7273 Copium from Wind Waker fans lol
@@fortnitefan7273 I liked that game lol. but that's not toon link, I think it's ALBW link.
Yeah that take was unforgivable 😂. Man Samus shares the same significance as Zelda, whether Nintendo accepts this or not. *Metroid IS iconic*
@@synon7449 It's true that Toon Link seen in Smash is mostly strongly based on his Wind Waker/Phantom Hourglass incarnation, but the spirit of Toon Link design is used in a lot of Zelda games all featuring technically different incarnations of Link, including Tri Force Heroes (which ALBW Link but he is redesigned to have the Toon Link artstyle) and Four Swords(Adventures), The Minish Cap, and technically Spirit Tracks (technically a different Link incarnation). I think it's fine to say that Toon Link's last appearance is Tri Force Heroes.
Not gonna lie I kinda want Sakurai to step down he’s shown his bias time and time again and his anti biases with Zelda, Modern Kirby, Wario Land, and freaking Sonic.
I personally love the videos where Coney has no idea what hes even talking about everyone gets so mad at him
Planned
I don't don't know what's happening imjust enjoying the content
It’s a bit, lol, he’s playing a Heel content creator,
@@joey5745 this perfectly explains coney
Truu
I refuse to believe Coney isn’t trolling 100% of the time
I don’t think Coney has even internalized that, he’s textbook stream-of-consciousness and extremely honest because of it
I still can't believe out of all your takes from this list, it was MARTH that blew up Twitter
Man completely dunked on Samus but MARTH? Really?
Yeah, I felt like Mewtwo was BY FAR the craziest take on this list.
We have to be real Marth was mid always and only was hype in melee
@@drakejoshofficialyoutubech5569 i watched live and made a dono about mewtwo and he skipped it immediately 🥲
Apparently it's because Marth is like the cloud of fire emblem even though he's not even one of the most popular characters in his series.
Coney's worst tier list, but very entertaining
Coneys worst tier list by a long shot, he dunked on Samus, Pyra/Mythra, Marth, Greninja, Shulk, and Byleth. It was really funny tho
“Shulks not going to be in the game, it’ll be Rex or something”
“Pyra never should have existed take your shulk”
(While playing XC2 music in the background)
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The way I see it, if Fire Emblem deserves 2 reps, so does Xenoblade. Xenoblade currently is more popular than Fire Emblem was during Melee and Brawl.
Xenoblade is great and realistically it’s only going to get more popular. I think smash 6 will have 3 Xenoblade reps including the current 2 and one from Xenoblade 3 (assuming that’s coming out in the next few years)
and Xenoblade X will still be forgotten.
@@scuffed_Raider yeah
Coney: I don't want any personal bias.
Coney with Pyra/Mytra: I just hate anime.
XD
At least it’s genuine
Ranking Incineroar as more likely to return than Lucario might be the worst Smash take I've seen all year
Yeah Greninja was number 1 in the 2020 popularity poll. Lucario was number 2. They would drop half the Melee roster before dropping those two.
@@christianshark6678 incineroar was 4th
Locario is a boomer pokemon at this point
@@AYEANNI But he has the highest results for e621
I was told…
I love watching your tier list movies because they’re
1.) almost always wrong, and
2.) so full of unnecessary tiers
excellent content 😃
Nah we needed more tiers
@@sheipi9978 actually you’re right my bad! coney definitely disappointed us the youtube audience with a subpar amount of tiers this time around
MORE TIERS SkeletonPls MORE TIERS SkeletonPls MORE TIERS SkeletonPls MORE TIERS SkeletonPls MORE TIERS SkeletonPls
He is never wrong
what do you mean, he never misses
Thank god Coney ain’t directing the next game bro lmfao
Facts
Greninja: Wins the official most popular Pokémon poll twice
Coney: He’s gone.
Yeah right Coney.
L + carried by Ash Ketchum + carried by anime + don't care + ratio + Wooper is better
i gotta get off twitter man......
@@Elcheer you do, that was cringe
I actually don't know why greninja is the most popular pokemon he's so weird
@@dilobs Because its a badass ninja frog. Pretty self explanatory
Pit is Sakurais baby too, if you look at all the Smash artwork he’s always in the front or middle. He’s staying 100%
As someone who was excited for him to be added to brawl: WHY THO
This series isn't sakurai anymore, though. The next smash game is gonna have a new director.
Lucario: voted the second most popular pokemon ever in 2020
Coney: yeah he's gone
And Greninja was ranked #1 lol
He’s really not
Lucario sucks he’s carried by the show
@@tweakr4377 Lucario is not Pikachu, we can stop coping now.
how would anyone who is not interested in pokemon know this?
lucario doesn't seem that important, fun or good in smash so why would we care?
Bruh, Sonic is literally Sega's version of "ft. Dante from DMC", they allow him to be everywhere, just ask and you gucci.
"People are _weird_ about Smash Brothers."
Understatement of the millennium.
I'm not sure if I'm saying this as copium for being a terry main and a big KOF fan, but I think terry has a very good chance to stay in for Smash 6. Mainly because of how big of a KOF fan Sakurai is and also because of how cooperative SNK was when it came to Terry being added, seeing as how they allowed like 20 KOF characters to cameo in Terry's stage and how Terry came with 50 songs some of which were from games Terry never appeared in like Metal Slug and Athena.
If it wasn't for KOF we wouldn't have smash
If your thinking of it through the lens of only 25-30 chars staying I would say yeah that pretty much is copium, Sakurai likes pretty much a ton of these characters
You say that as if sakurai is directing the next smash
^
Do you honestly think Sakurai is making these games after this?
How is zelda in probably? I think she's a definite stay but she could use a significant rework
Say it louder for everyone in the back, please! I want Zelda to have a flexible kit instead of just being Phantom the Character!
I love how the chat was spamming mega man 11
Literally the best selling Mega Man game in the whole franchise
Funnily enough, around the time Coney did this tier list, Fire Emblem Heroes announced that Marth would be getting a weapon upgrade along with several other things to bring him back to top tier.
Very excited for that update
Same
I hate Coney so much. I disagree with everything this man says. I love Coney.
Wii Fit should be in “replaced” tier due to Ring Fit being in the top ten best selling games.
I'm not sure Coney fully understands Smash. It's a celebration of games, not just current games, they bring old characters in all the time, why does he think every character who isn't getting a game every year is out lmfao
Although it would be interesting to see a reboot which only features characters appearing on Switch games.
I feel like the Pokemon Trainer should be ranked by each of his individual pokemon because there's no way Charizard gets cut
Pretty sure K.Rool should stay in as the resident villain for the DK franchise and the franchise had 2 villains prior. I’d put him in could go either way because it was hard to get him in the first place if I remember properly
You brought up how ganon was important because he was one of the only villains, then you go to say villains aren’t important lol
Whether you like it or not, Pit will never leave. He has become Sakurai's second son.
#Pitbois
#Pitbois
#gaslight #gatekeep #pitboss
Sakurai probably won't do the next game if it's not just an ultimate port, & I think Ultimate Will just be ported, still though, Palutena/Pit are kind of central figures in Smash lore now so they might stay as main cast even without Sakurai there
I think Banjo stays, Microsoft and Nintendo’s relationship has grown significantly and I think Microsoft understands as much as Nintendo how iconic and important addition Banjo was to Smash.
Yeah. And now that Microsoft Bought Activision/Blizzard & King. Crash has a 100% chance to join Smash.
This list hurts so much more than the other Coney tier lists
Bro, Pit NEEDS to be in the next Smash game. Who am I supposed to main if he’s gone? A good character with working hitboxes?
also him as well as the rest of uprising's cast are sakurais kids so they would most likely
Dark pit as well
I honestly forgot puff was a pokemon
As someone from the future I can say the Ryu take aged like Milk, Street Fighter 6 is so accessible to new players and well selling Ryu in my mind is almost guaranteed to be in the game
Imagine thinking Link and Ganon are staying but say maybe not Zelda. Like wtf, who do you think has the third part of the triforce?
More like "who do you think the series is named after?" If LoZ for some reason gets only two slots it's Link and Zelda for sure. Imagine cutting the character that one of the most beloved series of all times is named after from your roster. Bad take.
Coney makes sure to reduce the Fire emblem characters rate and honestly based
I can’t believe how much convincing it took coney that snake, one of the first characters to ever get cut in smash period, probably isn’t coming back
I honestly think banjo is a shoe-in for smash 6. Microsoft has been so lenient with him being on Nintendo consoles, he’s on the N64 switch online thing. Sora on the other hand could most likely not appear. Disney owns the rights to the character, not Square. I can also see Capcom pulling out any of their characters. SNK could probably use the extra publicity for fatal fury so they’ll keep him in. Out of any of the Metroid reps, Dark Samus is the most likely to go. I love FF7 but I can see square not wanting cloud and sephiroth to be in smash 6. Kirby reps will definitely stay as is, all three are iconic to the series as a whole.
SNK might let Terry back since they let Nintendo use 50 songs, they seem lenient with it :/
@@agate865 I honestly wouldn't be surprised if we find out later down the line that SNK approached Nintendo about getting Terry in.
COPIUM
@@Piyamakarro I've heard that Microsoft was somewhat lenient when Nintendo wanted Banjo in Smash. Plus op is absolutely right about Microsoft letting Nintendo use Banjo for the N64 ports being a decent bit of evidence to this leniency.
If Microsoft keeps their relationship with Nintendo as it is, Steve will 100% return, and might as well get Banjo while they're at it, they were very surprised at people's reactions, featured Banjo in their thumbnails in the "Nintendo Switch has games" and "Big Moments & Highlights" videos, they know people went apeshit for them, so I'd say they have a very decent shot, even if the series stays dead for as long as Smash 6 even begins its planning phase, the deal was easy to make and people loved their reveal, I don't see why they wouldn't have a good shot (unless they decide to remove 3rd parties or Microsoft goes back to being stubborn with stuff like this)
I love that Coney just went "what the fuck is this that's not a mario, they're irrelevant" for basically every character
Ehhh, Shulk's gonna make it back. The Xenoblade series has become Nintendo's premier RPG franchise, and they've pushed the games pretty hard the past few years.
Pokemon and Fire Emblem are pissed at you calling Xenoblade the premier nintendo RPG Franchise
@@hunbi1875 Pokemon is a third Nintendo's but I'll give you fire emblem
thanks for spoiling the video
@@hunbi1875 Fire Emblem is a SRPG and Pokemon while a RPG, isn't really marketed as one nor is it presented as one by Nintendo- it's presented very much as a casual game for the casual crowd, and somewhat as a competitive multiplayer game with VGC events. For the singleplayer RPG crowd, Xenoblade is the franchise that Nintendo is pushing.
Dude is a troll, obviously
They definitely wouldn’t remove Greninja, shiek, AND joker.. I feel like they have to have some kinda quick, ninja-esque character.
Joker is staying in the next game, Atlus will do anything to have their most iconic protagonist in ANY game they can (source: every single Persona 5 crossover that was really unnecessary)
@@phillemon7664 You're not wrong, They've already milked the Phantom Thieves greater than Persona 4 so far.
The amount of passion and defense people put up for characters they like is both admirable and terrifying.
6:00 Claims Ganondorf should stay because he’s a villain.
16:26 Claims that a character being a villain doesn’t matter.
Make up ya mind dog.
As much as you don't care about him, trust me that Ike DEFINITELY is staying in Smash Bros. He is the constantly winner of multiple Fire Emblem based popularity polls to this day; (Watchmojo, Fire Emblem Heroes, the old Smash Polls, etc.) and is well liked by casuals. He is also the only Fire Emblem character to be the main character in multiple games in the franchise that aren't remakes ir spin-offs of any kind. Sure the games sold low, but Path of Radiance came out 4 months before the Wii was coming out and people are only interested in the sequel game now because no one knew Ike was in the game (they tried the faux protagonist thing) and they messed up the localization. Considering that, I'm sure that says a lot more for the character itself. Ike is practically the Greninja of Fire Emblem.
I can see the other Fire Emblem characters leaving, except maybe Robin who definitely needs a rework but is from the most iconic game in the series. Ike has a lot going for him to stay. He has the best chance of all Fire Emblem characters to be a mainstay.
I've said for a while that Ultimate is the creative peak of smash and every game after it will get diminishing returns. They will be a rehash of ultimate at best and a severe downgrade at worst. Nintendo should port the game to newer consoles with continuous updates and new content. If a new game needs to be made, it should be so radically different from ultimate that its existence would be warranted.
yeah, if the next smash game does cut characters, it will never sell as well and a lot of people will just stick with ultimate forever. (like the melee communities stuck with the game for 20 years)
why play the same game that just has significantly less content than the previous one? especially if ur mains aren't in it.
im really hoping for a port with like 8-12 new characters and new dlc waves, and improved online. Thats prolly best case scenario were gonna get. Cuz if the games not a port many characters will prolly get cut. And I dont wanna go back to bringing back old characters as dlc.
Like a smash ultimate deluxe
i dont think adding all the old characters and not changing their movesets at all has to be the "creative peak". there's so much to work with on movesets and they do very little when it comes to old characters.
@@lillieofthevlly agree. Smash ultimate has a lot of characters but it really isn’t that innovative
@@lillieofthevlly I agree, the way the devs handled Luigi in Ultimate is a bigger pile of garbage than all the low and bottom tiers combined. Yeah, they gave him his Poltergust for his Grab, but they also should've given him more power-ups, his ground pound, Mario and Luigi moves and Luigi's Mansion moves. That way, we can remove his ZTD while also making him less one dimensional and pay more homages to his awesome games!
My god I actually forgot the reason Ice Climbers wasnt in Smash 4 because they actually couldn't program them on the 3DS.
Another reason they deserve to go back to Mt. Everest or what ever mountain they climb and wobble each other until no stock
Captain Falcon gets grandfathered in because he IS Smash lmfao
Y’all, note that Coney’s perspective is that this will be a very small cast of like 25-30 returnees. With that in mind this is a very sensible list
It's more sensible but there are some wack ass takes still
Imagine if they tried to spin cutting the roster by over 50% as not a travesty, that would certainly be something.
I know that there will be several cuts for the inevitable next smash bros, but holy fuck that's actually insane, even the dinosaurs couldn't justify that
@@r.o.brobot3296 Pokemon cut 90% of their roster and still pinned it as a sensible thing to do even tho they're the most popular franchise in the world so it wouldn't be the first time
@@yummynubs3646 pokemon tried to do it but still got a shit ton of backlash, imagine the smash community's reaction😬
@@yummynubs3646 Jeez, I didn't know like half the Pokemon equaled to 90%. Man, I'm sure glad I counted on you to do math for me here.
there is no possible way that Sora WONT come back. Sakurai wouldn't spend all that time an effort just for one game. And Honestly, I don't thinK Disney would be that stingy with Sora coming back. Sora is coming back for sure, especially considering he was the most wanted character and he was the biggest possible character they could reveal.
The next Smash will be so hard to make. So many people will be like, "They don't have XYZ CHARACTER?!?!?! That was my main! Fuck you Nintendo 🤬"
Looks at "gone" or considered gone.. yep. Coney hates JRPG games
"Pyra and mythra should not exist"
*plays xenoblade music in the background*
I disagree with putting Lucina that low. Realistically if a Fighter has an echo Fighter and they're returning, there is Literally No reason that the echo fighter shouldn't return as well. Like why would you keep Chrom and not Roy for example? It's not too much extra work to include Roy as well. I would say it also extends to some of the other clones as well but I would say less so
Pit's iconic for the casuals, I can't see him getting cut. I feel like every casual player plays Pit on occasion.
This video convinced me that Coney is always high when he makes these videos.
The thing is with Lucario is that he’s too iconic. Same with greninja. They made such a huge impact in the main Pokémon anime that it would be so difficult to cut them. I would put rework for Lucario and probably staying for greninja.
Tgat kind if goes fir all the Pokémon though abd eventually that bubble is going to burst
Unless Smash 6 becomes a new melee, I am afraid that the series might take a downhill turn after Ultimate. Smash Ultimate was HUGE for both Casual and Competitive and the idea of "Everyone is Here" was AWESOME. Only a handful of characters got discontinued from one series to another but there are a LOT of characters in Smash Ultimate, so I understand if a lot of characters get cut, but it will still be very sad nonetheless. Who knows, I could be very wrong (I'm no expert).
It either needs to be ultimate with melee/PM tier mechanics and tech or ultimate with a story beyond the novelty that is subspace
Ultimate does NOT need to be the new Melee. It just needs less input lag, a better buffering system, the return of For Fun and For Glory, better balance changes (think Smash 4 Mewtwo's buffs) and moveset revamps (especially for touch-of-death characters and/or characters that rely so much on a specific move, like Luigi)
hero 100% returns... but as a different character. If anyone ever asks for an old school jrpg character, they can just give them the hero treatment.
Hero becomes a Bowser Jr for old JRPGs where each alt is from a different series. Lloyd fans, Chrono fans, and Isaac fans I'm sure will be thrilled to see their characters represented as alts 2-4 on Smash 6 Hero
Marth and Roy stay for the same reason Fox and Falco do: They're beloved Melee characters.
Lucina and Chrom stay cuz they're clones and don't require much work to make.
I see Ike sticking around way better than Roy. He's more popular, his playstyle is different and more casual friendly, he was the only FE character to get a sequel to their game. I'm honestly surprised no one has fought over Ike, his popularity rivals Greninja's popularity in Pokémon.
With outright replacing a character I think you need a character that could provide a similar playstyle and in a game like Smash I think that some characters like Ridley are either outright cut or they stay due to them not really having any suitable replacements, at least not ones I can think of off the top of my head.
Lucina, Ike, and Roy are some of the most popular fire emblem characters (they won the first Fire Emblem Heroes poll for most popular characters). I feel like they won’t be so easily cut
@MT_Rathian Lol, You do know Ragnell and Falchion have infinite durability in their respective games, right?
I feel like when it comes to smash 6 it comes down really to two factors for guessing who stays and who doesn’t and each factor can produce a completely different list. 1 the amount of characters Nintendo wants to put in the game. 2 whether or not they want to go through the effort of licensing third party characters.
ROB can never leave. You would be very sad if there was nobody to hate playing against like that
Lot of people aren’t thinking about the next game being a rebootthat has mostly new characters, every smash before has mostly reused the previous games cast and added new characters but the next smash game wont be additive it has to be innovative. They expect all there characters to be in smash by default so when you say they “logically shouldn’t be in the next one” they see that as there characters being taken away instead of just not making the cut
Also how much does coney actually know about fire emblem because that marth take was PRETTY questionable
Coney is the only person who is not afraid to insult as many people as possible with a tier list.
I agree with almost all of this except for Ryu and Cloud. Even though they don’t have a ton of relevance they are still in the iconic tier I feel like. And Shiek has been in every game since Melee so I wouldn’t be surprised if they made Zelda the Melee and Brawl way where you can switch.
They are iconic but not integral to smash
"He's Funny"
Doc Mains: laugh with tears
Coney is the king of bad takes and that's hilarious
If sakurai is still working on the next smash, joker and Terry are gauranteed to make a return
This is a fact
16:02 Bayonetta is 2nd party 😂
This is most likely my bias for fighting games but there needs to be at least one to stick or at least be in the game. They are so fundamentally different from the rest because of there inputs and how that plays into strategy for most players. Along with the fact that sakuri got his idea when playing a fighting game, it would be nice to show the roots of smash
I am biased against fighting games and they should stay
I love how everybody says this tier is so wrong, despite that everyone loves the video.
Ive been thinking that if they make a new smash game, it should be a smaller spinoff game where all the characters are rejects that people always wanted but never got anything more than a mii costume. Geno or Waluigi would be a good poster child for this game. Maybe you can make a tier list of rejected characters based on how likely they are to be in the game?
I'd want that tbh.
Hello I am from the future and can confirm Arms 2 never happened
While I think there are many ways they can go with this, I think the four ways I'd expect would be:
1. "Everyone Is Here, But Again". Though since it was almost impossible to get everyone for base game in SSBU, i doubt they're gonna be able to do that now with 4 Square Enix characters (1 of also being Disney), Steve, and whatever happened before with Snake.
2. "Everyone We Can Get Is Here"; Most likely meaning all 1st-party and some 3rd party. I think this could go either way, since cut characters have been small before (though going from SSBU, this could definitely be an exception).
3. "Most Played Characters", meaning that if they do in fact pay attention to Smash online battles for balancing, they could also use that data to bring back the most played online characters and cut the least played ones.
4. "Specific Removals", meaning that it'd just be like games before SSBU. Like I said already, with how cut characters have happened in the past, I wouldn't doubt if only a small amount got cut, though I also wouldn't doubt if it ended up being like 30 removed.
I don't think they would ever get rid of Sheik or Zero Suit because they're both well liked, in series that don't have many characters in the game and there aren't many female characters to choose from
Also if the issue is sheik only being in one game, they could just sub her out for Impa, with the same moveset.
@@Parthian6 Damn, Impa being reduced to a Sheik clone would suck.
@@chrisrockett5897 Why? Renaming sheik to impa would bring a character to smash that better represents tge franchise, and i think sheik's sheikah warrior moveset fits impa perfectly. It may lack some references to impa's origins or playstyle in hyrule warriors, but it's a simple, elegant solution imo.
I feel like Min Min could be replaced by another character from arms like Spring Man or Kid Cobra. I don’t think there’s really such thing as a series “deserving” to be on the roster, plus every 1st party character with a truly unique moveset has always stayed unless system limitations prohibited them (Ice climbers on the 3DS). Each smash always gets at least one niche character and Min Min was that for this installment, I would personally put her in the “replaced by another rep” tier. But hey this is your list and your belief, I won’t complain :)
Edit: I love that arms shirt. I want one!
I hate to do it to yal, but from a gameplay variety + representation standpoint, *4* Fire Emblem reps would come back... and the reps are Marth, Robin, *Corrin, and Byleth.*
I'd add Ike. He's too popular in Fire Emblem.
King K Rool has to come back in the next game.
This whole time I was waiting for people to be like "yeah....Lucario and Greninja are like the most popular pokemon"
The thing with lucario is that he is from diamond/pearl and the remakes of those games are coming out soon so he'd be more relevant. I think he's in the 50/50 tier more than the gone tier
Lucario is literally a 4th mascot of Pokemon right behind Pikachu, Eevee, and Charizard. And Greninja is 5th right behind him.
This list is DEFINITLY having some alternations as of now imma just say that
Considering how much Nintendo has supported and promoted the Bayonetta series as a whole, I honestly believe Bayonetta's chances of returning are extremely high. Especially when 3 comes out.
Another interesting take I have is Cloud and Sephiroth getting axed... to be replaced by Terra from FF6, you know... a Final Fantasy game that was actually on a Nintendo console.
This topic is always very entertaining especially when considering people expect more than 3/4 of the roster to be cut. Although honestly, I think the funniest part about the list itself is PAC-man and Kazuya
i think joker may survive with a replacement of either p6, or whatever atlus is cooking up (nahobino?)
Nahobino will most likely get in the next Smash game alongside Joker I don’t see P6 protag making it in considering how close P6 and Smash 6 might end up releasing together.
I honestly doubt K Rool is never coming back. Just my opinion but he is played by so many people, he will most likely return in a future game, it might not be the next one, but it will be in the future.
Ngl idk if it’s because I’m a big SMT fanboy but i think Joker either comes back or gets replaced by a new rep rather it be SMT V’s protagonist or maybe persona 3 or 4s because SMT as a whole is fucking huge in Japan and the hype over there for SMT V is insane
Or the fact that Joker is owned by Sega, and Sonic will be returning and bring with him Bayonetta and Joker
If the next smash has like no one in it I'll just keep playing ultimate
I don’t know why i keep coming back to Coney’s tier list videos like they’re not all going to be fucking bait.
Just take my damn watchtime.
I love wolf so much, but I pretty much agree with everything in this list if they don't go for the "SUPER SMASH BROS. CENTURY" as a sequel with 100 characters.
I'll be honest I think the entire Smash Ultimate cast is gonna get in, then they'll add a few extra characters, then DLC. If there even is another Smash game. I don't expect another one honestly Ultimate is gonna be so hard to top.
Tbh if we only get like 3 3rd parties, Kazuya's def one of them. Idk if his placement here is an underestimation of how huge Tekken is or some different reason
I know this video's a year old now, but still just gotta say, Mewtwo is THE most ICONIC Legendary of ALL TIME, not to mention the fact that Mewtwo has multiple movies centered on him (I believe 3?) and is one of the only two Pokemon to receive TWO Megas instead of one, the only other one being Charizard who you aren't questioning the iconic-nes of. I know, dead gimmick and all, but it all still stands as a testament to just how popular and iconic Mewtwo is. I'm certain the only reason he wasn't in Brawl was due to time constraints (out of all the beta characters in the files for Brawl Mewtwo has the most work done) and Nintendo decided to use Mewtwo as the face of Smash Bros. FINALLY getting DLC for the first time EVER! Why? Because Mewtwo is a LEAGUES bigger deal than Coney gave credit for.
Also what you said about Pit hurts my feelings, but I kinda get it. Still though, I would've put him in the same bracket as Marth because he did at least get a game on the 3DS
Shiek in no chance in hell is, on a percentage chance scale from 1-100%, an inaccuracy of 127%. There's no chance in hell that she *isn't* in the next one.
Maybe if this was the list for the game coming after Brawl but for a post Ultimate Smash game this is just not correct.
There is an almost 0% chance of any Nintendo owned character getting cut in future releases. Relevancy hasn't mattered ever with Smash, where legacy or fun factor mean everything. If you want characters that do or don't have a chance of returning, it's the third parties.
Going through the list Sonic, Mega Man, Pac-Man, Ryu, Ken, Bayonetta, Joker, Terry, and Kazuya are all almost 100% guaranteed. They come from companies all super tight with Nintendo (Sega, Capcom, SNK, Platinum) or involved with the development of Smash (Bandai).
Up in the air characters would be; Snake, Cloud, Sephiroth, Hero, Banjo, Steve, Simon, and Richter. Konami and Microsoft have pretty good relations with Nintendo so IF Sakurai was at the helm I'm pretty sure that their characters are coming back. Square is the only question mark because they just flip about how they're going to act on a whim.
The single character that I think is an almost 100% guarantee doesn't come back is Sora SOLEY because of Disney.
I don't think a game that can live up to Ultimate is going to ever be released again (or any time soon at least). That being said if Sakurai is at the helm of it again he's going to do his best to give us something amazing so I genuinely don't think there's going to be heavy cutting involved, especially with the CONEY logic.
As much as I hate greninja, it is literally THE most popular pokemon, theres no chance in hell it gets cut.
Terry has a decent chance of returning. SNK is among the most cooperative companies regarding crossovers in the busines. In recent years they crossed over with Ubisoft and ArcSys for Samsho, Bandai with Tekken, Koei Tecmo for Dead or Alive, and Capcom for a couple rereleases, and that’s not even counting the things they did for KOF Allstars
Does anyone know the song that plays at 15:30
I think Joker will be replaced because by the time smash 6 comes out (if it does) persona 6 will probably be out and persona will be a more mainstream series, since Joker being in smash definitely boosted persona 5 and persona 5 royals sales. But I would love if they replaced Joker with a protagonist from another persona or even smt game since it will encourage persona fans to play a persona game other than 5.
You make it sound like that the next Smash game (if there is one in the next 5-7 years) is likely to have less than 40 characters. Brawl had 39 characters; if your list is remotely accurate, the next game will have (not counting newcomers) 18-24 characters (that’s even less than Smash Melee.)
I can't believe no one is talking about how awful the take is that there's no chance Ryu and Ken are coming back, it's the OG fighting game come on
Ryu, yeah, Ken, I'm not sure, especially since Tekken has almost been out as long and is more popular than Street Fighter and SNK has been the face of fighting games forever, crossing over with literally everyone.
Honestly, I don't think a game being dead is a good argument for cutting someone from Smash. Like, Smash Bros is an excellent franchise to get people to know franchises they never knew about because they are not relevant, and not having that, would be sad. Also Megaman is not dead. We got Megaman 11 which sold well, and multiple Megaman collections. Like Megaman is slowly but surely becoming one of the most relevant franchises again.
I love how many fire emblem characters coney almost puts in never should have existed then goes "WELLLL"