DO YOU ACTUALLY NEED A MIC ISOLATION SHIELD?
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- Опубликовано: 6 авг 2023
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I think we can all agree that we need more Kitchen-Aiden in our lives😄
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Very accurate assessment of these gadgets' strengths and weaknesses! I actually built myself a couple of DIY portable sound panels out of Ikea frames and Walmart quilts to solve treatment issues for the space directly behind me and, while not perfect, combined with a good shield, manage to do pretty well at rejecting room sound.
I listened to your video at 1.5x speed and could still understand you perfectly, and I'm not even a native speaker. That's a testament to how articulate you are. 👍
Thank you!
The worst thing about it is comb filtering. It maybe stops the voice from going through, but a significant amount is reflected back into the microphone, and this is far more problematic than ugly room reverberation.
Great video! Thank you for this!
This was an excellent review! Thanks.
this was a really cool video. I'm curious what your take on isolation shields for a loud, live-band stage situation. Are there any commonsense means to mitigate cymbals, snare hits etc where the pros outweigh the cons?
For context, I'm running wind instruments (sax and clarinet) into effects like reverb and delay. My set up surprisingly works in most situations through some careful gain staging but occasionally, I find myself dreaming of isolation shields either bought or homemade.
Lmfaooo that intro with the fridge noise was so funny. Too real 😂
It's becoming one of my favorite jokes
Thanks for making this video. I bought one and I thought it made things horrible. I have a lot of treatment in the room and that thing made it so boxy I couldn't use it. I saved the foam and chucked the rest LOL
I was looking at some options for managing other voices in close proximity leaking into other microphones. Would something like this be worth trying?
These are meant for you to be able to do minimal treating of a small corner of your room. In practice, these screens should be facing into the room from a corner, or if you're in a bedroom, from the closet with the clothes on hangers behind you, and either bass traps or the makeshift solution of shoe boxes or rubbermade bins/drawers filled with spare cables or clutter on the floor up against the wall. They still see best use case with some minimal room treatment, or at least a carpeted room with furniture in it.
A few issues.
Corners aren't horrible...but I would probably prefer something on the wall behind me.
Any bare wall behind will add reflections.
Also...bass traps are wildly unnecessary for voice.
Your voice does not have the power nor frequency range to ever need bass traps.
@@DarkCornerStudios TBF I was thinking that the corner would be treated. I probably should have been more clear on that. Also, I assume that the same space would be used for mixing or general playback later, for people on a budget, hence the bass traps. Also, I do metal, so growls can get pretty low pitched, and loud.
@@needsLITHIUMdid you say to set up a corner to mix in? Am I losing it???? 😂
@@mcgritty8842 no. I said put the mic in the corner. Monitor speakers should go along a flat wall or in soffits, roughly in the middle, or at least 3 to 6 feet away from a corner, depending on speaker output and size. I think you're losing it. "Same space" because I'm assuming the treated corner and your desk would be in the same room.
Is blanket is a best choice so?
I bought one for the blue yeti as I live in New york in an untreated space 3 years ago was it the most effective thing no but it was definitely better than what I was working with
I put fiberglass insulation on my face and cut out a mouth hole and then the reflections off the mic body won’t rereflect off my big forehead into to mickropfon
I have a heavy duty one and I also have the eyeball it works great just have to have shielding behind me
is an isolation shield useful if you game in the same room as another person and want to block their voice from getting in your mic?
I’ve been using the Aston Halo fora while it does nothing to prevent external noise so I still have to soundproof part of my studio. It does cut out so much reflection sound that to me it’s totally worth it.
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I'd be curious to hear something like this with a multi-pattern mic set to figure 8
Figure 8 is the tightest polar pattern on those types of mics, so if you could effectively block some sounds coming to the rear of the microphone you could conceivably wind up with lower room noise overall than with a cardioid mic.
And believe it or not an omni mic sounds awesome for recording even with room speakers on and no headphones.... ruclips.net/video/Tmhik9YpdGw/видео.html
To be honest when I bought mine I worked out that for myself and got good results for my home studio
Your studio sounds great!
Thanks!
I have used these shields with 8-pattern mics on instruments and vocals. Works great to get a more cardioid-like room rejection from the back.
Granted, in normal studio environment, it shouldn't matter that much. But it did help in that particular situation.
Yeah...they definitely have a purpose!!
I like reverb it’s ok I just add it synthetically later so nobody is hurt but yeah those thingies seem silly if not using fig8 or Omni polar pattern.
I would love to have heard the example you spoke of: treated back wall combined iso-box.
I have a video on the Isovox!
@@DarkCornerStudios I’ll check it out!
What about if the shield is behind you?
How abt the eyeball ard the mic and a mic shield right behind you
A was expecting an eyeball testing but didnt find it in video (
No real difference
Thanks for sharing this! How much is the sound coming from the ceiling impacting the vocals?
Basically the same as a wall.
The direction doesn't really matter...just the material
Ceiling treatment or drop acoustic ceilings are best
@@DarkCornerStudios thanks!
I scrolled through your videos looking for recommendations or reviews of sound treatments on your walls. There are a lot of squares on Amazon running about $1 to $2 per square foot. Do you have any opinions or advice about what kind of economical wall treatments are recommended?
Yeah...those Amazon squares aren't brutally bad...though I did a video a few years back for making acoustic panels.
I still use them to this day
@@DarkCornerStudiosI will look again for your video on making acoustic panels. I could not find it the first time I looked.
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Found it!
ruclips.net/video/HlJtURhlBv8/видео.html
Definitely better than setting up under a quilt though. I did an audition that way once!
Me too...did a few under the covers in hotels.
That sounds dirty
Better than doing it under a kilt. Especially if someone is wearing it at the time.
@@sinocelt I think The Goon Show was always recorded under the kilts of a regiment of the Gordon Highlanders, hence the unique acoustics. I may be wrong. 😂
@@davidsillars3181 I hope you are... for everyone involved! 🤣
I use a smaller version of this when recording my amp.
is this thing good if im trying to do voice overs in my apartment and dont want my neighbor to hear me at my desk lol
Perfect assessment. Thanks for doing this, Aiden. As a VO educator, I'll speak for why you don't see pro VO people use this kind of setup:
_Try reading copy when using one..._
Amen to that!
Great video, indeed.
What if I use one extra shield behind close behind me?
Thanks
Better off just treating directly behind you with a curtain or something...
Probably much cheaper as well
@@DarkCornerStudios got it, will do.
Thank you👍🏾
The problem with all of these products is they're too small to truly contain your voice and keep it from bouncing around the room. The ONLY product that really works is the RealTraps Portable Vocal Booth (PVB). At $300 it's a little more expensive than the cheap products, but it works very well and doesn't require more absorption behind you.
I have a bunch of RealTraps panels in my studio and can attest they're super high quality and built to last. Haven't tried the PVB though.
From my experience recording with my closet behind me (adjacent to the microphone) renders better results than recording vocals into my closet, having my closet directly behind the microphone. Seems a bit unconventional for some reason but yields much better results.
A possible answer is to put 2 of them together, so that it surrounds you more(?). Also, NO PLACE to put copy (tablet or hard copy) if you are a VO guy.
The Aston Halo is over $400 and you don't even have room to put your script in there to read it!
Reflection filters are different than this.
I did a whole video on them...worth a watch.
It's called "Do You Actually Need A Mic Isolation Shield"
@@DarkCornerStudios Well, yes that's the video I'm commenting on. I'm just learning so I didn't realize that the Halo was a reflector filter and the isolation shield was different. Audio recording is a steep learning curve!
Why not simply record through Zoom? It has wonderful filtering of outside noises.
Why do I feel attacked using my sE Reflex in my kitchen studio.
Was Rode being creative when they named the NT-1? Can we call it the Rodent 1?😅
Just cover the back side of the mic with tape to avoid reflection.😅
Lol
On a cardioid dynamic you can tape the side ports off then you have an omni mic.
Your better off putting it behind your head, then sing into the mic cause any sound that comes at you will adsorb back into the foam and not into the mic !
Wouldn't the worst case scenario be the bathroom?
Mostly, yeah
An empty garage is worse imo.
So the solution is to mount these right behind your head, maybe on your shoulders. Hmm...
snake oil, i will pass
The metal worries me
so not pointless but useless . got you lol
Perhaps better said...
It's VERY situational
This is not eyeball
You don't look like the snake oil guy
Yes, if you have Forrest Gump intelligence, like the user of the product in the video, it wont help. If on the other hand you can manage the IQ to not put in the open side facing your whole kitchen plus a window, and instead, e.g. you have the open side close to and facing a wall with sound absorber/diffuser on it, then in would help a lot.
Just buy some sound proof blankets and thank me later.
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