I hope one day someone makes a Nestor Makhno movie over here in America. Very few knew such an anarchist state existed with the closest being the Paris Commune.
By the way, all anarchism (other than anarcho capitalists, which are generally hated and ridiculed by anarchists) is a tendency of socialism. It can also be called libertarian socialism, although there are also different tendencies of libertarian socialism.
It would be very interesting to see how a free Ukraine would interact with other countries, lacking a government and all that. As of now, no country recognises Rojava, which is anarchist-adjacent. I imagine that various people would form associations, and those associations could send diplomats. I'd still imagine that there would be many diplomatic incidents along the border without a single authority to negotiate with.
@@ZephLodwick Of course there would be diplomatic incidents at borders, what with the anarchist principle of border abolishment. People shouldn't be restricted like that!
@Zeph Lodwick Rojava (kurdish northern syria) doesn't need anybody's "recognition", by definition it is stateless (on purpose) based on Abdullah Ocalan's ideology of "(direct) democratic confederalism" - however it is (or was until they abandoned them to turkey's invasion along the turkish/syrian border) backed up by the US military...prominent american anarchists did recognize it though, like (the late) Murray Bookchin & (late) David Graeber
I would've liked a bit more about makhno after the war and how his views had changed because of the makhnovia and the creation of a new kind of anarchism ie platformism. Also fun fact he was a taxi driver when he lived in Paris
Makhno's personality is very tragic. because during the formation of ideas, academic works in secret clubs (because even for the idea of cultural revival you were tortured) and the basis for the creation of the Ukrainian People's Republic. he simply did not have access to the goals of the so-called "Ukrainian national movement". so I think that when Makhno heard the word "state" during the dialogue, he instantly ended the discussion. Not understanding the true purpose of the Bolsheviks. You ask a communist, "Well, what is the world like under communism?", and he describes heaven to you and adds, "but you have to work for 200 years somewhere... no, this is not the state, it is the temporary government of the communist revolution. Here it is, the power of dialectics." In the books he wrote in France, Makhno described his mistakes for the descendants of anarchists.❤
Subjects? State? In an Anarchist society? Are you insane? Also, AuthComms be like, "*gasps* They built a classless and stateless society without resorting to the use of state power! This contradicts my ideology! I must destroy it! . . . See! Anarchism never works!"
Do not fall for Russian Propaganda, The spirit of Nestor Makhno is still alive. Yesterday I was seeing the Anarchist Flags of Ukrainian Resistance on Dutch television. That was bringing me here.
@Letter to the Ottomans Are you in Ukraine my friend? Do you know RevDia? Situation reminds me on Spanish Civil War and the current situation in Rojava. Solidarity from The Netherlands to the People of Ukraine for their fight against the Fascist Russian Occupation Forces. Slava Ukraine. Biji Rojava!!!!
@Letter to the Ottomans You are most welcome my good friend. We all need International Solidarity specially for the Ukrainian Resistance. In my activist years our group was inspired by Murray Bookchin. I was listening to "Poison Girls - Dirty Work" which could be used a tool to let it go viral in Russia to shock Putin. Check it out my friend. I love to hear your opinion. Slava Ukraini!!!!!! Biji Rojava!!!!!!
Thank you for your support and understanding of my country My family lives near the village of Gulyai Pole Nestor Makhno gave people hope for freedom and the Red Army took away from my people
@@elaovi So is that why the Marxists kicked out every Anarchist in the First International and have historically oppressed all Anarchists, alongside the Leninists? Read a bit on Anarchist history before you say something so stupid ever again. :)
@@elaovi No, Anarcho-Communism is not Marxist, as Marxists believe in the establishment of the vaguard of the proletariat, or the Dictatorship of the Proletariat, whereas Libertarian-Communists believe we should go stright from the revolution to the anarchist society
Indeed, An idealist like Makhno would rather cooperate with the Bolsheviks who wanted to eliminate the Black Army than with the White Guards. It wasn't possible for him will not cooperate with the right-wing.
@@e-cuauhtemoc Well he did have money, it was just totally worthless and counterfit wasn't clamped down on. I don't really know the reasoning behind that.
The Mennonites sided with the capitalistic, imperial white Russians, and ultimately those Mennonites took up arms to try and kill the peasants, and destroy the civilized anarchist movement.
I have a question: Was the famine deliberately caused by the evil Communists or did it happen, because their country was invaded by 15 countries at once, while they also fought a civil war just a few years prior to that?
All anarchism is is power from below. When they form army’s to protect themselves for counter revolutionaries (which could be called some sort of state) people say they are no longer anarchists but that’s just not true. They are struggling for anarchism but have to deal with their material conditions. Anarchism is very misunderstood which leads to people making comments like this with no understanding of anarchist theory
I myself am not an anarchist but I am a marxist and no attachment to it. I think anarchism is great I've read kirpotkin but I also like the idea of the vanguard party. I have disagreements with almost all of the marxist methods like leninism, democratic socialism, anarchism and such and I think in certain situations and certain places a specific one would have to be used to organize. I think lenin was a fine leader for Russia but Ukraine could've successfully been anarchist if not for the red and white army
The thing is, speaking as someone who's a half-step from being an anarchist, the vanguard party's usefulness ought to expire after the revolution if the end goal of a stateless and classless society is to be attained. Too much power concentrated is too great a risk in any circumstance, it's the primary mechanism by which capitalism creates such horrible conditions worldwide, and libertarian socialists like myself fear that if power is allowed to be concentrated after the revolution the danger is too great that the vanguard party will be little more than the next state and class with its own boot on the necks of the people we seek to liberate.
@@emPtysp4ce see the way I look at leninism at least modern day interpretations by leninists I know and my own interpretations from theory. I think the idea of a vanguard party I think is necessary for overthrowing capitalism. I think capitalism is far too advanced and efficient in squashing leftists to have any form of anarchist revolution to be successful sadly. But I do believe anarchism is inevitable with communism amd communism inevitable to anarchism. So i do believe in the withering away of the state not very much the abolishment but when I say state I mean in the sense of a socialist state
I used to identify as an anarchist for years and decided to now just refer to myself as a socialist since that umbrella covers so many tendencies (from anarchism to Maoism). I fully support unity between anarchists and MLs and such. It’s time to unite not fight!
It seems that the left has been expelling and fighting each other, the struggle between the Bolsheviks and the Anarchy, the Mensheviks. The struggle between the Stalinists and the Trotskyists, the conflicts between Mao Zedong and Liu Shaoqi, these similar things have appeared in too many left-wing groups and countries. They do have similar ideologies, but the gap between their ideologies breaks them completely.
Oh yeah this video is quite upfront about that. "Why didn't Makhno support the movement for the territorial integrity of Ukraine, and why did the Russian Bolsheviks invade Ukraine" sounds like typical Ukrainian nationalist propaganda. Makhno was defending against Bolshevik invasions, and gives far more of a shit about Ukrainians not being exploited than does the current Ukrainian fascist government. And, when reports surfaced that one Black army leader was committing pogroms (just like the Bolsheviks were), Nestor or his wife, Agafya (according to some versions of the story) went to the aforementioned leader's house, knocked on his door, and just killed him, no questions asked. And now the Ukrainian government has an openly Neo-Nazi battalion called Azov that is integrated into the Ukrainian National Guard, and has already been murdering Roma.
@Raistlin Majere russia is a colonial and genocidal aggressor no doubt about that, but the reactionary nationalism is also very neonazi. ukraine cannot be free until it is anarchist again. Анархія матер всього.
@@Kasasasassasasasasasas try walking through kyiv and see how far you can get without stumbling on nazi graffiti (maybe this is not most ppls' experience, but for me it was most frequently not very far at all!) would be even easier this week with the SS parade in the centre of town. Or check out the army batallions. And that's just the explicit public stuff!
Revdia are a Ukrainian anarchist organization that strongly oppose Azov, C14 and other Nationalist and Neo Nazi groups, be sure to check them out, some are still fighting the good fight.
Books about the Makhnovists I would recommend : The History of the Makhnovist Movement by Peter Arshinov, Nestor Makhno : Anarchy's Cossack by Alexandre Skirda and the Unknown Revolution by Voline.
People need to be educated about such an important man in anarchist history
Γιάννης Γάμα sadly yeah. anarchism is looked down upon greatly in the west
@@Nix27271 East looks down on anarchism too.
And we need to resist the temptation for reactionaries in Ukraine to abuse the memory of the Makhnovists.
Only Anarchists and Ukrainians remember this history although it's more of a cinematic story than anything Hollywood has made.
I hope one day someone makes a Nestor Makhno movie over here in America. Very few knew such an anarchist state existed with the closest being the Paris Commune.
Nestor makhnos ghost has uploaded The Nine Lives of Nestor Makhnos with English subtitles if you haven't seen it yet.
@@neonczolgosz3245 Just waiting for the last 3.
@Rory Yeah in the context of territory that was controlled by them.
@Rory I'd say federation
Makhno ain't dead, he lives in our hearts
he still has to resuscitate in our fists
Im still alive i just reincarnated in America
@@theamericannestormakhno2360 the larp is strong with this one.
@Von Beedle i look like him but only 1 inch taller so yes my Makhno larp game is quite strong🤣
@@theamericannestormakhno2360 good larp atleast
Anarkhiya-mama za nas!
Nestor was a martyr that will not be forgotten! 🏴🚩
By the way, all anarchism (other than anarcho capitalists, which are generally hated and ridiculed by anarchists) is a tendency of socialism. It can also be called libertarian socialism, although there are also different tendencies of libertarian socialism.
Actually I lied I forgot who he was but I know he was a leftist and I do remember they made good ass chocolate milk
I wonder what the world would be like if he had won and was able to bring the rest of the world closer to anarchism
It would be very interesting to see how a free Ukraine would interact with other countries, lacking a government and all that.
As of now, no country recognises Rojava, which is anarchist-adjacent. I imagine that various people would form associations, and those associations could send diplomats. I'd still imagine that there would be many diplomatic incidents along the border without a single authority to negotiate with.
@@ZephLodwick Of course there would be diplomatic incidents at borders, what with the anarchist principle of border abolishment. People shouldn't be restricted like that!
@Zeph Lodwick Rojava (kurdish northern syria) doesn't need anybody's "recognition", by definition it is stateless (on purpose) based on Abdullah Ocalan's ideology of "(direct) democratic confederalism" - however it is (or was until they abandoned them to turkey's invasion along the turkish/syrian border) backed up by the US military...prominent american anarchists did recognize it though, like (the late) Murray Bookchin & (late) David Graeber
I would've liked a bit more about makhno after the war and how his views had changed because of the makhnovia and the creation of a new kind of anarchism ie platformism. Also fun fact he was a taxi driver when he lived in Paris
Imagine taking a taxi in Paris and the driver is Nestor Mahno himself.
@@zahando5420 I’d faint
His grave is in one of the Paris cemeteries
Makhno's personality is very tragic. because during the formation of ideas, academic works in secret clubs (because even for the idea of cultural revival you were tortured) and the basis for the creation of the Ukrainian People's Republic. he simply did not have access to the goals of the so-called "Ukrainian national movement". so I think that when Makhno heard the word "state" during the dialogue, he instantly ended the discussion. Not understanding the true purpose of the Bolsheviks. You ask a communist, "Well, what is the world like under communism?", and he describes heaven to you and adds, "but you have to work for 200 years somewhere... no, this is not the state, it is the temporary government of the communist revolution. Here it is, the power of dialectics." In the books he wrote in France, Makhno described his mistakes for the descendants of anarchists.❤
This is actually really good, 10/10
Subjects? State? In an Anarchist society? Are you insane?
Also, AuthComms be like, "*gasps* They built a classless and stateless society without resorting to the use of state power! This contradicts my ideology! I must destroy it! . . . See! Anarchism never works!"
@@KimJongUnGamingAndVlogging Soooooooo bloody true.👍🏽
ah yes
reactionaries, the classic
@@KimJongUnGamingAndVlogging oh no why are you attacking the left unity?
@@KimJongUnGamingAndVlogging You are a transphobe so your opinion does not count
@@KimJongUnGamingAndVlogging fuck off bitch ass retard
Why doesn’t Ukraine have statues of Makhno instead of Bandera? This guy did far more for Ukrainian peasantry and the freedom of Ukraine
Do not fall for Russian Propaganda, The spirit of Nestor Makhno is still alive. Yesterday I was seeing the Anarchist Flags of Ukrainian Resistance on Dutch television. That was bringing me here.
@Letter to the Ottomans Are you in Ukraine my friend? Do you know RevDia? Situation reminds me on Spanish Civil War and the current situation in Rojava. Solidarity from The Netherlands to the People of Ukraine for their fight against the Fascist Russian Occupation Forces. Slava Ukraine. Biji Rojava!!!!
@Letter to the Ottomans You are most welcome my good friend. We all need International Solidarity specially for the Ukrainian Resistance. In my activist years our group was inspired by Murray Bookchin. I was listening to "Poison Girls - Dirty Work" which could be used a tool to let it go viral in Russia to shock Putin. Check it out my friend. I love to hear your opinion. Slava Ukraini!!!!!! Biji Rojava!!!!!!
Thank you for your support and understanding of my country My family lives near the village of Gulyai Pole Nestor Makhno gave people hope for freedom and the Red Army took away from my people
R.i.p. Makhno.
Makhno was a rapist
@@Theotok0s How so?
E. Lin He was a rapist??
Arzz V i know even anarchists who don’t support Makhno
@@Theotok0s lmao Makhno was a rapist because someone he hated claimed that without evidence decades after he died
Long life The Free Territory!
This is the primary example of why Anarchists must stand *against* Marxists.
He was literally a communist but ok
@@mondo3556 He was Anarchist Communist, not Marxist Communist. Understand the difference before making the claim.
@Berke Maltepe I know
@@elaovi So is that why the Marxists kicked out every Anarchist in the First International and have historically oppressed all Anarchists, alongside the Leninists? Read a bit on Anarchist history before you say something so stupid ever again. :)
@@elaovi No, Anarcho-Communism is not Marxist, as Marxists believe in the establishment of the vaguard of the proletariat, or the Dictatorship of the Proletariat, whereas Libertarian-Communists believe we should go stright from the revolution to the anarchist society
Does he say „makhno tried to unite all right wing forces“ wtf bruh.
This is some thorough nationalist propaganda lol. „The peasant element..“
Indeed, An idealist like Makhno would rather cooperate with the Bolsheviks who wanted to eliminate the Black Army than with the White Guards. It wasn't possible for him will not cooperate with the right-wing.
"people tried to create an anarchist state"
got nothing against anarchism but that's funny
Yeah a better wording would be "anarchist territory".
Let alone Makhno currency.
@@e-cuauhtemoc Well he did have money, it was just totally worthless and counterfit wasn't clamped down on. I don't really know the reasoning behind that.
what? because anarchy at its core is antithetical towards hierarchy and the idea of a state?
@@ryancerney341 yes
Makhno>Bandera
Why isn't Makhno advocated to be Hero of Ukraine, sure bring up the killings of Mennonites if you like
The Mennonites sided with the capitalistic, imperial white Russians, and ultimately those Mennonites took up arms to try and kill the peasants, and destroy the civilized anarchist movement.
salty Mennonites
Makhno is one of the greatest collective anarchists
4:24 Tried to create an anarchist WHAT?
Remember kronstadt
“Anarchist state” 💀💀💀
I have a question:
Was the famine deliberately caused by the evil Communists or
did it happen, because their country was invaded by 15 countries at once, while they also fought a civil war just a few years prior to that?
Anarchist state :))
yeah, contradictions like that hurt me. idk enough to know whether it should be considered a state or not but it sounds like actual anarchism.
Borderless state
Free Territory bruh
There's no such thing as a anarchist State
All anarchism is is power from below. When they form army’s to protect themselves for counter revolutionaries (which could be called some sort of state) people say they are no longer anarchists but that’s just not true. They are struggling for anarchism but have to deal with their material conditions. Anarchism is very misunderstood which leads to people making comments like this with no understanding of anarchist theory
Nestor Makhno was a hero.
What's the name of the music at the begining ?
I myself am not an anarchist but I am a marxist and no attachment to it. I think anarchism is great I've read kirpotkin but I also like the idea of the vanguard party. I have disagreements with almost all of the marxist methods like leninism, democratic socialism, anarchism and such and I think in certain situations and certain places a specific one would have to be used to organize. I think lenin was a fine leader for Russia but Ukraine could've successfully been anarchist if not for the red and white army
The thing is, speaking as someone who's a half-step from being an anarchist, the vanguard party's usefulness ought to expire after the revolution if the end goal of a stateless and classless society is to be attained. Too much power concentrated is too great a risk in any circumstance, it's the primary mechanism by which capitalism creates such horrible conditions worldwide, and libertarian socialists like myself fear that if power is allowed to be concentrated after the revolution the danger is too great that the vanguard party will be little more than the next state and class with its own boot on the necks of the people we seek to liberate.
@@emPtysp4ce see the way I look at leninism at least modern day interpretations by leninists I know and my own interpretations from theory. I think the idea of a vanguard party I think is necessary for overthrowing capitalism. I think capitalism is far too advanced and efficient in squashing leftists to have any form of anarchist revolution to be successful sadly. But I do believe anarchism is inevitable with communism amd communism inevitable to anarchism. So i do believe in the withering away of the state not very much the abolishment but when I say state I mean in the sense of a socialist state
You are an idiot if you think Lenin was a "fine leader".
I used to identify as an anarchist for years and decided to now just refer to myself as a socialist since that umbrella covers so many tendencies (from anarchism to Maoism). I fully support unity between anarchists and MLs and such. It’s time to unite not fight!
It seems that the left has been expelling and fighting each other, the struggle between the Bolsheviks and the Anarchy, the Mensheviks. The struggle between the Stalinists and the Trotskyists, the conflicts between Mao Zedong and Liu Shaoqi, these similar things have appeared in too many left-wing groups and countries. They do have similar ideologies, but the gap between their ideologies breaks them completely.
Makhno spitted on the "ukrainian nationalists"..as an insane minuscule minority
Brave man.
Why isn't this taught in school?
(A)
Feeling weird fascist government-supported channel posting about anarchist revolutionary
Oh yeah this video is quite upfront about that. "Why didn't Makhno support the movement for the territorial integrity of Ukraine, and why did the Russian Bolsheviks invade Ukraine" sounds like typical Ukrainian nationalist propaganda. Makhno was defending against Bolshevik invasions, and gives far more of a shit about Ukrainians not being exploited than does the current Ukrainian fascist government. And, when reports surfaced that one Black army leader was committing pogroms (just like the Bolsheviks were), Nestor or his wife, Agafya (according to some versions of the story) went to the aforementioned leader's house, knocked on his door, and just killed him, no questions asked. And now the Ukrainian government has an openly Neo-Nazi battalion called Azov that is integrated into the Ukrainian National Guard, and has already been murdering Roma.
@Raistlin Majere they both are
@Raistlin Majere russia is a colonial and genocidal aggressor no doubt about that, but the reactionary nationalism is also very neonazi. ukraine cannot be free until it is anarchist again. Анархія матер всього.
@@doodelkhoben And how is Ukraine Fascist may i ask?
@@Kasasasassasasasasasas try walking through kyiv and see how far you can get without stumbling on nazi graffiti (maybe this is not most ppls' experience, but for me it was most frequently not very far at all!) would be even easier this week with the SS parade in the centre of town. Or check out the army batallions. And that's just the explicit public stuff!
... y a des fois je regrette de pas parler englich , 😂
I am a Aristocrat bu makhno deserves respect
Destroy azov battalion!!!!!
Revdia are a Ukrainian anarchist organization that strongly oppose Azov, C14 and other Nationalist and Neo Nazi groups, be sure to check them out, some are still fighting the good fight.
👌🏼👊👍💪🏼🔥⚒⚔️🩸🖤🏴☠️
I wish them and the Wagner group a very nice, go into a battle that will leave both sides without anyone standing
Biletsky and kadyrov : same shit
Books about the Makhnovists I would recommend : The History of the Makhnovist Movement by Peter Arshinov, Nestor Makhno : Anarchy's Cossack by Alexandre Skirda and the Unknown Revolution by Voline.
i have history to expose regarding Mkno and his legacy
Go on...
lol
(A)