It was a credit to Thames that they reported the bad news objectively and with their usual utmost professionalism. Their removal from broadcasting was absolutely lamentable. Considering this was made over thirty years ago, the presentation appears more polished that what we see now with ITV News London!
Thank you for this of course-most interesting it is too. As others have rightly put, the loss of Thames to Carlton, although with the other companies that changed too at the time, really was the worst outcome there was for ITV from January 1993 onwards. If only they had known it here in the franchise rounds at the time too?!
@@jacksugden8190 But there are several grains of truth in the ousting of Thames and the dismantling of the IBA being the dirty work of Thatcher, especially after Death On The Rock and the IBA's refusal to make Thames pull the documentary from the air. Queen Margaret the First (or as she liked to believe) was Number 10's very own Genghis Khan. Now because of her and the 1990 Broadcasting Act, British TV has become a homogenised American style ogre full of sponsors and reality dirge. Yeah, thanks Maggie, you b*tch.
And yet the two that lost got their sums correct as both Carlton or GM-TV went cap in hand to the ITC / Ofcom because they couldn’t pay. The licenses should have been revoked
1.13 - David Glencross - god only knows what was in that Carlton application for him and George Russell to think Carlton could ever surpass Thames - I think the CPV application would have been a better ITV provider than Carlton. Just like the IBA before them, absolutely useless. Where was he to revoke the licence from Carlton?
In some ways of course ITV did go on after the 1993 changes as was said, but ultimately it was not really for the better as I have said before, and of course from others too as well also.
To be fair Carlton were'nt bad for the first year or 2 If you look how it is now with no regional identity to ITV I dont think it would have made any difference if Thames had stayed. Anyway, I Miss Thames and "that" Ident.
Carlton did some decent local programming for London and London Tonight was far superior to Thames News! Thames always seemed to think of their London audience an inconvenience and never made much of an effort
Even if Thames had won that franchise, I wouldn't have been surprised in EMI wanting out and Carlton would have got it regardless seeing how they were blocked in 1985.
Carlton also made an offer for Thames, in 1990, but it was rejected. Whilst I agree that Thorn-EMI would, eventually, have wanted to divest themselves of Thames, I strongly suspect their shareholding would've ended up being sold to the staff; as Rediffusion/BET's shareholding was, after Carlton's 1985 bid was rejected by the IBA.
@@electragaming4140 I wasn’t aware of a 1990 bid. I guess it was cheaper to bid for the licence in 1991 than buy Thames and then pay an annual levy although they could have probably bid next to nothing if CPV TV would have been their only competition. Bloody ridiculous piece of legislation. To think you could win a franchise and then never deliver anything you said you would
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00:00 Intro
00:30 Thames News morning summary (1210?)
01:37 Thames News evening news (1830?)
12:29 END
Thames News theme by Grant and Gaynor Sadler
It was a credit to Thames that they reported the bad news objectively and with their usual utmost professionalism. Their removal from broadcasting was absolutely lamentable.
Considering this was made over thirty years ago, the presentation appears more polished that what we see now with ITV News London!
Credit much of that to Andrew Gardner (RIP), one of Britain's finest ever news broadcasters, although he was a little bit hyper here (understandably).
And thus marked the downfall of ITV
Biggest mistake giving Carlton the weekday service
It was indeed so then too alas?!
And of course so then too? Thank you for the highlight though.
All very sad at the time, what was in those bids on paper weren’t for us to see, we never saw the proposals from the bidders - all very dirty.
This is brilliant thanks so much for uploading this to RUclips
Thank you for this of course-most interesting it is too. As others have rightly put, the loss of Thames to Carlton, although with the other companies that changed too at the time, really was the worst outcome there was for ITV from January 1993 onwards. If only they had known it here in the franchise rounds at the time too?!
Thank you there for that so too.
And indeed so then too of course as before. It was a shame really how it turned out but of course no-one was to know that at the time I guess so too?
The Tories colluded with the ITC as revenge for the Death on the Rock documentary which actually shown twice!
I saw the documentary. That was the speculation at the time, so far unproven, 30 years on, and we may never know.
@@jacksugden8190 But there are several grains of truth in the ousting of Thames and the dismantling of the IBA being the dirty work of Thatcher, especially after Death On The Rock and the IBA's refusal to make Thames pull the documentary from the air. Queen Margaret the First (or as she liked to believe) was Number 10's very own Genghis Khan. Now because of her and the 1990 Broadcasting Act, British TV has become a homogenised American style ogre full of sponsors and reality dirge. Yeah, thanks Maggie, you b*tch.
The start of the rot that set in at ITV after Thames Television was ousted.
And yes it was indeed for sure of course albeit later on I guess alas?
And of course so too? Thank you for the highlight though.
And yet the two that lost got their sums correct as both Carlton or GM-TV went cap in hand to the ITC / Ofcom because they couldn’t pay. The licenses should have been revoked
What would happen if Thames, TVS, TSW, TV-AM and ORACLE won the 1991 franchise auction?
1.13 - David Glencross - god only knows what was in that Carlton application for him and George Russell to think Carlton could ever surpass Thames - I think the CPV application would have been a better ITV provider than Carlton. Just like the IBA before them, absolutely useless. Where was he to revoke the licence from Carlton?
In some ways of course ITV did go on after the 1993 changes as was said, but ultimately it was not really for the better as I have said before, and of course from others too as well also.
Thank you for highlighting my comment too!
To be fair Carlton were'nt bad for the first year or 2
If you look how it is now with no regional identity to ITV I dont think it would have made any difference if Thames had stayed.
Anyway, I Miss Thames and "that" Ident.
Carlton did some decent local programming for London and London Tonight was far superior to Thames News! Thames always seemed to think of their London audience an inconvenience and never made much of an effort
Snoddy was right - we waited until the 1st January and got 'Surprise Party' from Carlton. All became clear.....
Even if Thames had won that franchise, I wouldn't have been surprised in EMI wanting out and Carlton would have got it regardless seeing how they were blocked in 1985.
Carlton also made an offer for Thames, in 1990, but it was rejected. Whilst I agree that Thorn-EMI would, eventually, have wanted to divest themselves of Thames, I strongly suspect their shareholding would've ended up being sold to the staff; as Rediffusion/BET's shareholding was, after Carlton's 1985 bid was rejected by the IBA.
@@electragaming4140 I wasn’t aware of a 1990 bid. I guess it was cheaper to bid for the licence in 1991 than buy Thames and then pay an annual levy although they could have probably bid next to nothing if CPV TV would have been their only competition. Bloody ridiculous piece of legislation. To think you could win a franchise and then never deliver anything you said you would
I feel the lost of tv am and tvs and Thames tv the real reason was something that nasty lady Mrs thatcher this should never happen again