if i dont have jiaoqiu, would any other debuffer still work in a double-harmony acheron setup? not aiming for 0cycle, just a normal clear. I'd say yes, but I'm not entirely sure
I would say if you are just going for normal clear, still go with double nihility with sustain. Double Harmony with pela can get 1 cycle, but you might reset quite a few time due to hit RnG.
On node 2 i have a same team like u, (except robin) im using sparkle instead My team : jing liu, sparkle, bronya, fu xuan But i still didn't make it in node, those dot are really kill me before even reach Argenti phase
@@kamisatojamal7249 if its just jingliu then robin will face energy issue. In order to run them together, additional of bronya or tingyun is much recommended. Tingyun can ulti robin for more energy gain and bronya can advance forward robin to do her skill twice, at least 70+ energy gain by doing so.
Hi, do you think i can get away with not using tingyun in seele(e0s0)/sparkle(e2s0)/robin(e1s0) team and using e2s1 SW instead? Haven't got robin yet, so idk, but i noticed that you played this team with SW in 2.2 MoC, but back then turbulance was regenerating a lot of energy, so im not sure if i can now get enough energy back on robin when she leaves her ult state without tingyun.
yes, the relic requirement will be a little higher on sparkle. She want vonvaq eagle and 143/168 speed depend on how many turn she want to go. sw e2s1 is also one of the best 0 cycle for seele as well! Getting Robin to e2 will ease down the speed requirement, I choose Tingyun is because sparkle/robin is not e2 yet, with e2 I will try out the SW version!
@@KenRurouni I suppose 168 speed Sparkle would require s5 DDD too for pseudo 200, right? And what do you think about SW, also vonwacq+wind set and preferebly tiny bit faster than Sparkle? And last thing, do you think Seele's sig is worth considering instead of investing more in supports? Btw thanks for your answer and it would be really cool to see a video with this team comp again! :D
@@yellowrelic8044 yes 168 s5 DDD for sparkle getting that additional turn. It's totally fine to run 158 vonvaq silverwolf, it's just that you need to get her ultimate entering second half if you are going for 0 cycle. Otherwise, Sparkle will overtake Silverwolf in wave 2 and your turn order will be janky. Of course, the easiest way is to get 169 speed silverwolf, but relic RnG is harsh. For Seele recommendation, I would say E0S1 -> E2S1 -> E2S5 (MoC/AS) / E4S1 (PF). After that is more of how much you like this character.
Also, unless you really like Seele as a character. It's always better to invest for future DPS instead! FeiXiao on E2S1 does spike way more than Acheron from what I see, really need to think twice investing in old character nowadays.
@@KenRurouni SW has pretty good base speed, so i think 169 won't be completely impossible, i will try to get it. Seele's eidolons seem pretty bad in general, so i think i will try to get sig only if i will have enough jades. And speaking of Seele, im totally fine with investing in her team, i think her kit is the best one out of all DPS that has been released even though her multipliers aren't that big. 1.0 char having lowest cost 0c clears in both MoC (outside of Choir i think?) and PF is absolutely stunning IMO. And on top of that, i really like her gameplay, flexibility and many synergies like wind set+energy regen rope in PF. I even happened to get my first 5 crit roll piece on wind set, so it's even more efficient to grind Wind set when you can get upgrades not only from speed(supports) but also from crit pieces(Seele) :D Thanks a lot for your tips, you made me realise that i should definitely farm more vonwacq pieces, always enjoying watching your HSR videos too! :D
@@KenRurouniI never knew that. Hmmm but is 12% DMG dealt stronger than 12% atk? My understanding on the stats and formulas is kinda all over the place 😅
@@crow3769It depends on how many Attack bonuses and Damage Bonuses you have. Robin gives the team an insane amount of Attack boost so Damage % helps round out her personal damage. But giving her 2p attack sets makes her attack buff for allies slightly stronger. You may have heard people say in the past that Attack Sphere is better than Dmg % Sphere for many Damage Dealers when using Ruan Mei, since she gives a lot of Dmg% but no Attack %
If u have e2 Bronya, u can use atk boots on Jingliu without any rotation changes, right? Jingliu should get 30% speed buff after first Robin ultimate without any wasted turns 3:55 , unlike other e2 Bronya+Jingliu setups with wasted 1st turn. Is that right? I reeealy want to test this out, but I don't have Robin
@Zumaster you will need vonvaq on bronya for this and she need to move before jingliu at the start. Not sure bout the speed but if you can tune it that way then it will work.
@@KenRurouni its simple 133,4 Bronya without Vonvaq and ≈105 Jingliu, isn't it? The rotation looks like: Robin E, Bronya E to Robin, Robin ult, Jingliu E + enhanced E, Bronya E to Jingliu and so on. Am I missing something?
@@Rozemyne2314Oh yeah, the buff should stay since its 3 turns cuz its casted during Jingliu's turn, if she had that, she could have killed even without the pillars i think. Nice catch.
that way u will lose out all the buff for everyone on 1 full turn. Keep in mind bronya advance forward by 100%. With the speed tuning of 134 on bronya, using it after bronya pulling Robin up will still get 1 more additional turn on Bronya. Waiting for everyone to move here will only waste damage.
i don't think there is any fight where yunli performs better than acheron her supports kind of don't synergize with her kit except for huohuo, action advance is kind of shit on her and she doesn't attack fast enough to refill robin energy reliably. i still get 3600 points in as with yunli and lazily 1 cycled argenti, but i feel like her supports just don't really do anything yunli-specific maybe one day we will get a support like the magician in the current trashcan event that spams action advance on the enemy, like forcing the enemy to attack you 3 times would be really good for yunli
S1 if it's for Acheron team and/or you want a good damage increase/pull ratio E1 if you want him to be a better general debuffer/ are considering his E2 in the future for DoT teams (to explain quickly, Acheron has so much damage % in her kit that the E1 value gets lower for her, and she'd much rather have more vulnerability debuff from his LC)
@@Zephyrion22 true, but also the fact his LC work quite universally to protentally future nhilities too, so im at a bind tbh, his E1 make him a psesdo harmony too with the pretty much 100% uptime of damage bonus of 40% too, still a bind, but I think I will wait for announcement on who is the rerun next patch (I need the official confirmation, not leak) before I decide I guess
I don't understand. My Acheron and supports are built really similar to yours, yet the max my Acheron is able to hit is 500K+. How the heck is yours doing over a million??? Explain
@@oneepicsans3530 only use acheron ultimate after ruanmei has her ultimate aura up, jiaoqiu applied all the debuff, sparkle pulled her and ultimate up. You are most likely missing one of those set up.
@@hxxpeio5964 Their techniques will replace each other. So, only one of their technique will take effect. For JL's technique, it gives JL one of her stack already when entering battle. For Robin, I think it's just 5 energy Regen at the beginning of every wave (I don't remember exactly) So, JL has higher payoff
3:15 Gallagher insane aim moment
it happen sometime, why can't he just aim straight!
@@KenRurouni hes drunk
Jiaoqiu + Ruan Mei + Sparkle on Acheron team. Dude's support is stacked lol
support star rail!
Gallagher drunk on dream juices xD
Happen really often!
Not sure if u could hear this, but finale tourney moc, no, abyss when Yuu 😢?
Er rope with 11 spd? Holy moly
My er ropes have zero spd 💀
@@Eroi_Zoro relatable 😔
My only ER rope that has Spd is Gallaghers lmao and can't give it to anyone since its on Kalpani Set
Thank you so much for showcasing Jingliu 🤧❤
MVP of the match pillar
Too bad they spoiled it before it happened
Bruh that acheron is smackin. I have E0S1 and feel like I hit like a noodle.
3:16 LOL😂
Robin‘s power！
Yeah, very normal Robin E1 run. Still, really decent.
3:15 doesn't he have auto aiming 💀
STACKED supports
How do you guys even get 200+ CD on characters??? I struggle to go over 160 lol
Do you not understand simple math? Get multiple roles into crit damage.
Roll better
@jamess359 he just says he's unlucky, why are you so mad.
@@cse52sanskarchaubey33 sig lc and roll in CD bro
@@hayemdr3474 blud woke up just to commit violence
if i dont have jiaoqiu, would any other debuffer still work in a double-harmony acheron setup? not aiming for 0cycle, just a normal clear. I'd say yes, but I'm not entirely sure
I would say if you are just going for normal clear, still go with double nihility with sustain. Double Harmony with pela can get 1 cycle, but you might reset quite a few time due to hit RnG.
just put welt in jiaoqiu's place but ig 0cycle is just not possible prolly only 1 cycle
If you used Bronya ult before Jingliu’s ult wouldn’t that kill without the need of the pillars?
yea, using it will kill without the help of pillar!
On node 2 i have a same team like u, (except robin) im using sparkle instead
My team : jing liu, sparkle, bronya, fu xuan
But i still didn't make it in node, those dot are really kill me before even reach Argenti phase
is it good if jingliu with robin?, can someone explain to me why he use robin on jingliu team or there is reason?
@@kamisatojamal7249 if its just jingliu then robin will face energy issue. In order to run them together, additional of bronya or tingyun is much recommended. Tingyun can ulti robin for more energy gain and bronya can advance forward robin to do her skill twice, at least 70+ energy gain by doing so.
@@KenRurouni ohhh ... i see i see, thanks for the explaination👍👍👍
Hi, do you think i can get away with not using tingyun in seele(e0s0)/sparkle(e2s0)/robin(e1s0) team and using e2s1 SW instead? Haven't got robin yet, so idk, but i noticed that you played this team with SW in 2.2 MoC, but back then turbulance was regenerating a lot of energy, so im not sure if i can now get enough energy back on robin when she leaves her ult state without tingyun.
yes, the relic requirement will be a little higher on sparkle. She want vonvaq eagle and 143/168 speed depend on how many turn she want to go. sw e2s1 is also one of the best 0 cycle for seele as well! Getting Robin to e2 will ease down the speed requirement, I choose Tingyun is because sparkle/robin is not e2 yet, with e2 I will try out the SW version!
@@KenRurouni I suppose 168 speed Sparkle would require s5 DDD too for pseudo 200, right? And what do you think about SW, also vonwacq+wind set and preferebly tiny bit faster than Sparkle? And last thing, do you think Seele's sig is worth considering instead of investing more in supports? Btw thanks for your answer and it would be really cool to see a video with this team comp again! :D
@@yellowrelic8044 yes 168 s5 DDD for sparkle getting that additional turn. It's totally fine to run 158 vonvaq silverwolf, it's just that you need to get her ultimate entering second half if you are going for 0 cycle. Otherwise, Sparkle will overtake Silverwolf in wave 2 and your turn order will be janky. Of course, the easiest way is to get 169 speed silverwolf, but relic RnG is harsh.
For Seele recommendation, I would say E0S1 -> E2S1 -> E2S5 (MoC/AS) / E4S1 (PF). After that is more of how much you like this character.
Also, unless you really like Seele as a character. It's always better to invest for future DPS instead! FeiXiao on E2S1 does spike way more than Acheron from what I see, really need to think twice investing in old character nowadays.
@@KenRurouni SW has pretty good base speed, so i think 169 won't be completely impossible, i will try to get it. Seele's eidolons seem pretty bad in general, so i think i will try to get sig only if i will have enough jades. And speaking of Seele, im totally fine with investing in her team, i think her kit is the best one out of all DPS that has been released even though her multipliers aren't that big. 1.0 char having lowest cost 0c clears in both MoC (outside of Choir i think?) and PF is absolutely stunning IMO. And on top of that, i really like her gameplay, flexibility and many synergies like wind set+energy regen rope in PF. I even happened to get my first 5 crit roll piece on wind set, so it's even more efficient to grind Wind set when you can get upgrades not only from speed(supports) but also from crit pieces(Seele) :D
Thanks a lot for your tips, you made me realise that i should definitely farm more vonwacq pieces, always enjoying watching your HSR videos too! :D
Does Robin's dmg from ult also received the dmg boost effect from pioneer 2pc?
Yeap, the dmg does increase when theres debuff on enemies.
@@KenRurouniI never knew that.
Hmmm but is 12% DMG dealt stronger than 12% atk? My understanding on the stats and formulas is kinda all over the place 😅
@@crow3769It depends on how many Attack bonuses and Damage Bonuses you have. Robin gives the team an insane amount of Attack boost so Damage % helps round out her personal damage. But giving her 2p attack sets makes her attack buff for allies slightly stronger.
You may have heard people say in the past that Attack Sphere is better than Dmg % Sphere for many Damage Dealers when using Ruan Mei, since she gives a lot of Dmg% but no Attack %
@@crow3769 well, is still better to go 12% atk, i just dont have better substats roll as of now
If u have e2 Bronya, u can use atk boots on Jingliu without any rotation changes, right? Jingliu should get 30% speed buff after first Robin ultimate without any wasted turns 3:55 , unlike other e2 Bronya+Jingliu setups with wasted 1st turn. Is that right? I reeealy want to test this out, but I don't have Robin
@Zumaster you will need vonvaq on bronya for this and she need to move before jingliu at the start. Not sure bout the speed but if you can tune it that way then it will work.
@@KenRurouni its simple 133,4 Bronya without Vonvaq and ≈105 Jingliu, isn't it? The rotation looks like: Robin E, Bronya E to Robin, Robin ult, Jingliu E + enhanced E, Bronya E to Jingliu and so on. Am I missing something?
@@Zumaster yup is something like that. Just that you need to tune the speed properly!
Hmph
at the last turn, couldnt bronya have ulted first before the enhanced skill so jing liu gets the buff? i mean i know it still kills but more dmg?
Jingliu gets the buff since she skilled first, then ulted on Jingliu's turn giving her the buff.
@@kazukinowa i meant in the final attack when jing liu enters enhanced state. Bronya already has ult theb
@@Rozemyne2314Oh yeah, the buff should stay since its 3 turns cuz its casted during Jingliu's turn, if she had that, she could have killed even without the pillars i think.
Nice catch.
@@kazukinowa btw bronya's buff won't become 3t just cuz you ulted on jl's turn
Yuu, Feixiao or 7/3 more fragile in chaos? I wanna put one to the rear to fight Hoolay
168 speed for sparkle? I thought the breakpoint is 160.1?
161 is for 1 cycle. 168 eagle DDD is for 0 cycle.
When i tried this, my acheron always got cc ed or 1 shot
just want to know, at the start of node 2, why you are not wasted all of their action first then robin ult, but instead choose to robin ult first?
that way u will lose out all the buff for everyone on 1 full turn. Keep in mind bronya advance forward by 100%. With the speed tuning of 134 on bronya, using it after bronya pulling Robin up will still get 1 more additional turn on Bronya. Waiting for everyone to move here will only waste damage.
@@KenRurouni i see,thank you for the insight
Who's truly better for E0 Acheron Sparkle or 2 Nihility + Sustain?
need to be E2 Sparkle if you want to replace 1 Nihility away.
@@KenRurouni yes. I mean in terms of performance on moc/pf as E0
for usual clear go with 2 nihility sustain, lesser mald~!
robin carry
How good is acheron now post JQ? Can she compete with feixiao or yunli?
wait for feixiao release~ Yunli is alright around the same as of now.
Acheron is still number 1 dps lol
i don't think there is any fight where yunli performs better than acheron
her supports kind of don't synergize with her kit except for huohuo, action advance is kind of shit on her and she doesn't attack fast enough to refill robin energy reliably. i still get 3600 points in as with yunli and lazily 1 cycled argenti, but i feel like her supports just don't really do anything yunli-specific
maybe one day we will get a support like the magician in the current trashcan event that spams action advance on the enemy, like forcing the enemy to attack you 3 times would be really good for yunli
@@aliasonarcoticsnew boss 267 speed. perfect for yunli
@@omegalul5719 can’t 0 cycle, doesn’t seem that perfect. e0 feixiao and boothill can do it so why can’t she?
How they healing for Acheron team
@@Faeble435 when you get slept by the boss, the debuff come with healings
Wow 2 harmony 🤨
Im debating e1 jiao or s1 jiao, idk which better :/
E1 is better
If you want to build him easily get s1
S1 if it's for Acheron team and/or you want a good damage increase/pull ratio
E1 if you want him to be a better general debuffer/ are considering his E2 in the future for DoT teams (to explain quickly, Acheron has so much damage % in her kit that the E1 value gets lower for her, and she'd much rather have more vulnerability debuff from his LC)
@@Zephyrion22 true, but also the fact his LC work quite universally to protentally future nhilities too, so im at a bind tbh, his E1 make him a psesdo harmony too with the pretty much 100% uptime of damage bonus of 40% too, still a bind, but I think I will wait for announcement on who is the rerun next patch (I need the official confirmation, not leak) before I decide I guess
Pretty sure Pearl's LC and E1 offers more damage to Acheron than E0S1
I don't understand. My Acheron and supports are built really similar to yours, yet the max my Acheron is able to hit is 500K+. How the heck is yours doing over a million??? Explain
@@oneepicsans3530 only use acheron ultimate after ruanmei has her ultimate aura up, jiaoqiu applied all the debuff, sparkle pulled her and ultimate up. You are most likely missing one of those set up.
@KenRurouni I am doing all of that. The only thing I don't have is Ruan meis Light Cone. Is that why?
@@oneepicsans3530 ruanmei lc providing dmg buff, but it shouldn't be that much of a difference. Did you miss crit or did you toughness broke them.
Why dont you use Robins talent at the start of the battle?Does it do smth bad or it doesnt add anything except make enemys follow u
Cus her technique and Jingliu's don't stack
Because her talent is the same type as JL,they dont overlap sadly
you only can have 1 area effect tech, Jingliu one has more priority here.
@@hxxpeio5964 Their techniques will replace each other. So, only one of their technique will take effect.
For JL's technique, it gives JL one of her stack already when entering battle.
For Robin, I think it's just 5 energy Regen at the beginning of every wave (I don't remember exactly)
So, JL has higher payoff
Why did Acheron heal at 2:29?
@@darkwitch7402 the heal come from the boss sleeping her. The sleep CC come with a healing buff
Why is the video and audio a bit delayed?
Is it? Looks normal on my end.
Why do you using wrong set on jingliu?
@@Luci3364 still doesnt have a solid cdmg ice piece yet. Quantum give better result since im missing the chest piece.
i wanna play jingliu to so much but it will break waifu only rule for me
huh?
You mean husbando only rule?
Bro is on drugs
bro accidentally took a page out of my book
It’s a game. You play it for fun..what are you on about
how did acheron get healed??
getting slept by the enemies. The sleep debuffs come with healing~
Oh motherbin don't end ruan mid like that
How does Acheron get heal?
@@Toblifyy getting slept by the enemies. The sleep debuffs come with healing~