@@Air7Rhythms Something like 80% of people who seek asylum here are successful, thus they were never illegal immigrants. The refugee convention states that even if their means of entry would usually be considered illegal, if they come here after fleeing a country in which their lives or freedom were threatened for religious, racial, social, political, or nationality reasons their means of entry are not considered illegal as they have a valid claim.
@@paulfairbairn1066 They took over the mess left by Blair and Brown. The Tories were inept and abandoned their roots and betrayed their voters. They did not cover themselves in any glory. Quite the opposite. But what Starmer is set to do will be worse than any Govt in our history. We will all suffer. Including you and anyone else foolish enough to vote for them.
I used to work at the Glenfield hospital between 1989 2011 and I’ve seen how money is wasted and terrible management. I don’t see any government fixing the NHS because of incompetence ✌🏼❤️
I have no racist or prejudice views and work as a male nurse in the NHS. The NHS is on its knees, partly because many more expensive techniques, procedures and medications are being used than ever before. But the other main reason I think, is because too many people are trying to use it, that don’t or have never paid any contributions towards its use. Over the past decade nearly 10 million refugees/migrants have come into our country, without ever paying into the NHS, but they are much more likely to use it, mainly because these people have come from poverty and war torn countries. Also add to this the UK economic “inactivity rate”, people who don’t work for one reason or another, which stands at a record 22% (2023), that’s people not working and paying contributions into the NHS. Also there’s the argument that we need more doctors and nurses from abroad, which obviously if the extra sudden increase in population wasn’t so dramatic, our own-grown doctors and nurses would be good enough.
NHS needs money. It can save millions by removing the overpaid hospital managers introduced by Thatcher as part of her privatisation by stealth policy. Private medicine in the UK survived by using NHS labs for testing by consultants who hold both NHS and private positions. Using these people to clear waiting lists that these individuals create is just stupid and possibly corrupt. NHS appointments should exclude private practice. And of course some targeted taxes on wealth should be introduced to improve buildings and pay for nursing staff and junior doctors.
You want to save the NHS sack everyone in management or higher positions then come down hard on all of their spending nation wide. I was an NHS building contractor and the invoices I've got for over spending and unnecessary works just for budget justification would anger the entire NI paying population. Example: £56,000 for a staff toilet refurb when it could have been done for £3,000 all because 3 receptionists decided they wanted material that is reserved for JP Morgan office new builds. Thats not even the worst. Lastly make it NI contributors and British passport holders only anyone else pays private prices no ifs no buts.
RUclips removed the comment I left explaining in brutal honesty why I personally hold this position against the NHS. I hold them personally responsible for losing my entire family through negligence. Making me fight the directors in court for 6 years to get my now deceased paralysed sister recognised as disabled. She was only 39. Refusing her rehabilitation and care after a catastrophic life changing aneurysm. When I needed them I was left to figure it out for myself and when I really needed them I was forgotten waiting for triage and found on the floor after signing into A&E 18 hours prior. Don't even get me started on what I saw behind closed doors during covid. Thats just the version RUclips will let me post
Whst a stupid stupid thing for PM to say the NHS will die without change. Trouble is by his actions and those of Robber Reeves, many many pensioners will sadly die this winter. No government can survive this scandalous behaviour against our elderly citizens.
Mate pensioners are the richest age group in the country. Those who need it most will still get the fuel allowance. The rest can do without £300 once per year until their pension goes up £400+ next year anyway.
The news groups omit the fact that the low funded pensioners will still get it, this bias has to stop in our propaganda news outlets that are aligned to one political party or another.
Ok that is a fair comment but what has this government done to put things right, nothing. In fact they are making things worse, I will give it a year at current trajectory before we have a serious financial crisis. Investment is leaving the UK, industry is leaving the UK, we have the most expensive energy in Europe and some of the highest taxes with the worst services and infrastructure and this government is making it all worse not better.
They have proven themselves to be profoundly deluded and gravely inept in just 9 weeks - my heart sinks at what destructive horrors they could unleash in the NHS.
Don't make me tap the "£30b+ spent on corrupt covid contracts under the Tories" sign again. And that's just one of many I can point to, want me to list some more?
The Conservative party under funded it to say its not fit for purpose to privatise the NHS. They also outsorced alot of services and now there is import tax on medication from the EU, also boarder checking system increases time to get medication within the UK making it more expensive to transport.
They have also done the same to the prison service and the army recruitment. Look at the state of the water boards, the one the tories look after... corrupt and greedy.
The NHS has always been struggling BUT it's struggles got serve during Labour's Tony Blair and Gordon Brown tenure, mainly Tony Blair when he implemented his 'open door' policy. This meant the UK's border and visa's controls were relaxed, ten's of thousands of EU migrants and tens of thousands of migrants from other outside of the EU flooded into the UK. All these extra tens of thousands of extra people flooding into the UK all needed medical care, jobs, houses, school places for their children. This put strain on the education system because more children were wanting school places. This put a huge strain on GP services because more people were signing onto their books. It put a strain on council services because many of them were unemployed and thus due to Labour's relaxing of polices were able to claim council benefits, more rubbish was being generated, this also put a strain on council social care and welfare because the new arrivals needed council help. This also put a massive strain on the NHS for two main reasons, 1) the new arrivals were in need of medical treatment which meant more hospital beds were needed than hospitals could cope with. Every hospital service and department was swamped with new arrivals wanting medical care, something all hospitals and social care places could not cope with. The 2nd reason is cheap labour. NHS bosses saw opportunities where they could make more money for themselves if they got rid of more highly experience but expensive staff for cheaper less experienced ones take from the new arrivals. The NHS is under massive strain due to what's known as 'healthcare tourism' where many foreigners who have medical problems get travel visas into the UK, then use the NHS to fix their health problem and then go back to their home country. Every thing has to be paid for but yet these healthcare tourists do not pay a thing which means the NHS loses money every time they treat a healthcare tourist. Then you have pharmaceutical companies ripping off the NHS with the prices of their medicines. Morale is bad in the NHS which governments both past and present refused to give nurses and doctors decent pay rises. MP's always got their hefty pay rises but nope not NHS workers so of course all the very good nurses and doctors left and they were replaced with cheap foreign labour. Past and present governments continue to let ten's of thousands of foreigners into the UK and yet refuse to put money to increase services which is why the NHS is at continued breaking point, GP's are at breaking point and dentists have already exceeded breaking point because tens of thousands of UK citizens cannot get a dentist because there is so few of them because past and present governments will not pay them a decent wage. In my opinion it is criminal of the previous Conservative and now the Labour government to blame issues on the NHS due to the countries citizen's living longer thereby putting strain on the NHS because of their health issues. Living longer has never been a cause of strain on the NHS, all of the above I've written is and not a single MP from ANY political party will admit to that. Starmer thinks he knows how to sort out the NHS. No he doesn't because deep down he knows it was once his part leader Tony Blair that caused the problems. Everyone who has lived in the UK long enough knows what has caused the problems in the NHS and it is nothing that Starmer suggests.
They need to get rid of lots of so called management and all non jobs then put care back in hands of medical staff on the front line,we have heard this line time and time again about change and still nothing does change,personally I think the statement from starmer stinks of privatisation.
The only cure is to re-nationalise it. They need to end the PFIs that was implemented under Blair and kept the NHS in huge amounts of debt. They need to invest huge amounts of public money, which we CAN borrow, and CAN afford, because government finances are NOT the same as houshold budgets. But we know these Red Tories are just going to privatise it further, as public money continues to be laundered into the pockets of private profiteers.
Pmsl you're deluded if you think a country can simply print and borrow mass amounts of money, our debt to GDP ratio is over 100% weve hit our safe borrowing limit. Look at Argentina
@@lewis123417 not deluded, educated son. We're the 6th richest country in the world, for the last 40 years we've followed the failed neoliberal economic model, all it takes is to change our economic model, Bidens moved away from neoliberalism with great success.
@kathrynbeetham5308 we're the 6th richest country in the world yet you just said our neoliberalism has failed.......again we know for a fact the money printer or borrowing isn't unlimited without consequences. You're totally uneducated in any serious economics if you think it's possible to sustain unlimited amounts of spending with no real economy to back it up. If that worked Argentina would be the wealthiest country on the planet
@@kathrynbeetham5308 you act like the old socialist model of the 70s was perfect. It wasn't. There's a reason we abandoned it, including the labour party themselves
@@kathrynbeetham5308 your literally talking about what Zimbabwe did 🤣 they like you thought they could simply print and spend their way into growth as well
I do not understand why family carers do not get decent pay to look after family, saving 2 rds on home care costs, and also have all elderly people pay only % of wealth to pay towards their care.NHS needs a central distributor centre and collective buying power.No reason people cannot pay for gp visits which will stop people running to Dr's for sniffles and over running gp surgeries and A& E rooms.
My prescriptions are for 28 days at a time - whereas in other countries, medicine packs have 50 or 100 pills. This benefits pharmacists here who get 3 times as many prescriptions and allows them to carry on without investing. I visited Berlin Hauptbahnhof's pharmacy on one occasion - picking packets of medicine was done automatically without human intervention, no need for checking and two signatures. Ive never seen that in Britain.
Then in Spain, it seems that many prescription items are available over the counter without a prescription and cheap medicines are half the cost of our prescription charge.
It’s not pharmacists it’s the pharmaceutical industry. Independent pharmacy owners are making losses dispensing drugs at below cost price. Go look at the stats, 1 in 6 have closed
@mchaplin66 then you're a fool. Prepayment certs save you 2 months cost on one item. Long before you add in all the other items that are now effectively free
The elderly will probably be sacrificed again to save more money. Meanwhile the NHS will be providing for all new uninvited? newcomers to the country , isn't that ultimately going to put yet more strain on an already overloaded? NHS.
He's going to introduce Blairs ' medical ' wallet ! Basically all your ' medical' data in a handy app but it can be used to store all your digital info... Digital I.D cards Starmer is doing his masters bidding 👍
As a chronically ill person who grew up poor, I totally understand the people raising the spectre of privatisation, but we also need to keep in mind that this fear-mongering might well get in the way of actually improving the NHS and contribute to grinding it into the dirt. If everyone on every side just constantly says 'no' to everything, we doom ourselves.
Too many top and middle management on high saleries for a start that are not needed. Stop giving free treatment to non brits who don't contribute and don't pay national insurance
Given the disgusting care both my Dad and Mum were afforded I can only hope something is done so that no one has to go through what many, including myself, have.
Stop all the crooked contracts,. Sell the unused items which the NHS brought. Get rid of 90 percent of the consultants on big money who do nothing. Bring back matrons to organise nurses and jr doctors. Make sure all shifts get the same pay. Get rid of paperwork and issue tablets . Overhaul the IT systems. Expand non-urgent care to take off the load from A&E. Build a couple of new hospitals. Increase frontline staff pay.
The consultants all do things? Without consultants the hospitals would become very unsafe because they ensure the actions of more junior staff are practically appropriate as a result of their experience. You can’t pay all shifts the same it doesn’t work that way as it wouldn’t in any other job. Working night shifts pays more because there are fewer staff on at that time and it is more risky to do as well, as that fact it ruins a persons day so to speak. Overtime pay additionally should be paid more because it is a person working outside of their contracted hours at the request of the hospital.
Stop treating the world for free,consultants and doctors choose NHS or Private who you work for...we should have aftercare type hospitals for older patients and, bring back mental asylum type hospitals....Stop the Greed at the top level !
@@harismohammad2005 that's false. Most of the consultants have their own private practices and on 10% of the time do NHS work to show they are versatile but they get paid way more than the regular doctors for doing the same thing when most of the time they take on no cases.
@@TabsT-vy5jy I don’t know what you mean by ‘regular doctors’. Within medicine there are bandings for levels of doctor based on their experience, expertise and practise. Namely these are medical student, junior doctor ( now being changed to resident), registrar and consultant. There is no ‘regular doctor’ as they are all doctors just at different stages in their career. Consultants have the most experience and are responsible for ensuring the doctors working at a lower level of experience are doing so safely and effectively. Failure to manage more junior colleagues can result in them having to take partial responsibility over any complications arising from their junior staff. Consultants are experts in their field of medicine and know what they are doing for example in cardiology their consultants specific to heart surgery, heart conduction, heart shape and structure, heart attacks, heart devices and so on… these specialisms further specialise because they are so complicated. Because consultants know what they are doing the chance of complications as a result of human error decreases making a procedure safe if a ‘regular doctor’ were to perform said procedures it will more than likely not be safe because they do not have that experience to ensure they know what will and will not cause problems. As a result consultants rightly so should be paid more for their experience as that only makes sense especially when they are dealing with human lives which are in themselves priceless. Yes consultants work privately they shouldn’t do it on NHS premises or during their contract hours with the NHS 100% I agree however, because they are experts and doctors they are more than welcome to open private practices as that is their right. If doctors aren’t being paid enough in the NHS chances are they will open private practices in order to make money as that is one of the main reasons they go down the profession. FYI as well all decisions made by a ‘regular doctor’ have to be run through the consultant first so no they do attend every case albeit you don’t see them because their is another fully qualified doctor seeing you.
@@harismohammad2005 their wage packets should be published, some, if not many, are on at least over 300k per year. Big pharma needs to be giving a return imo they are the suppliers and without NHS etc wouldn't be able to deliver and earn trillions at cost of everyone's health.
The sooner the country and politicians realise the NHS canmot survive as it is however much money is poured into it , the sooner we can come to grips on how to save it . And partial privatisation is an essential element . In the classic car industry we have individual specialist companies who by definition are masters on one make which keep costs under control . The same elements can save literally billions of pounds in costs . I'm 71 and have had these ideals since l was 18 ........
How do you pay for a health service if you end the NHS and expect everyone to pay for their health care at point of use. I think it is inevitable that within 25 years there will be no National Health Service. I also predict that within that time period we will see a number of politicians being rewarded with director positions in many of the large pharmaceutical companies, private hospitals and care homes, and any other profitable health providers. Welcome to the Brave New World.
Anyone who says giving the jr doctors a pay rise was wrong isn't worth listening to. We've been taking doctors for granted while their real terms pay is whittled away and the conditions they work in get worse. Doctors, even the junior ones, can earn far more overseas, in other Anglosphere nations or other developed countries, while working fewer hours and many of them were leaving in order to enjoy such offers. The NHS will not improve if we're in a retention crisis with staff and to ensure that such a crisis does not exist, we have to pay them competitively. For years we've been draining devloping nations of their doctors and nurses, happy to take advantage of a global market for healthcare professionals, now we've allowed things to get bad enough here that other countries are visiting the same treatment to us. The antagonistic approach of the Tory party to strikes merely prolongs them and costs tax payers more in the long run. Far better to establish a deal with these vital staff and keep hold of them. Unless, of course, your actual goal is to keep making the NHS less and less functional so as to make people more receptive to the notion of privatised healthcare...
The problem is the lack of care homes The eldery take up the majority of the beds as they have nowhere to go. Not enough care packages Never mind paying doctors more. Give careworkers a better wage!!
Beyond reform; privatise it; give every person in the UK the £3000 a year each in tax it costs per man woman and child and let them take out private insurance.
We now have the two main political parties wedded to the Neoliberal economic system, where privatisation is seen as being more efficient (and therefore more desirable) than having nationalized services and utilities. The words 'Reform or Die' in relation to the NHS sound ominous to me. Starmer and Streeting are talking of introducing MORE PFIs (Private Funding Initiatives) which have a long-term detrimental effect upon hospitals and NHS Trusts. This is because there is a built-in conflict of interests between investors who prioritize maximum profits (dividends) and the provision of health care to the population. Investors demand a return for their investment, which has put many hospitals and Health Care Trusts into debt. The idea of running a public service as a business is completely bonkers, and is borne of political ideology, of corporate greed, and of a desire to massively reduce public spending. The ideology of shrinking the size of the state has become the political/economic consensus between Labour and Tory Parties alike. Prior to Thatcher, the consensus was for the Mixed Economy model, which held that public services and utilities should be exclusively owned and controlled by the state, and funded via taxation. The main differences between Labour and Tory ideology and policy seems to be the DEGREE to which things are privatized, not the core ideology itself. Corporate profits are now held as being sacrosanct. Needless to say, ruling political parties and their MPs - particularly Cabinet Ministers - are 'encouraged' by powerful and well-funded lobby groups looking for investment opportunities as the NHS becomes more and more privatised. NHS England is not state owned, instead this is a privately owned and run company. But most people are entirely unaware of this, largely because the name - NHS England - SOUNDS like a state-owned and controlled entity, whereas in reality it is NOT. Such is the degree and extent of creeping privatization. In reality, private health care, funded by health insurance (rather than taxes) - as seen in the USA - is FAR more expensive and FAR less efficient than state-owned and run health care services in nations which still run on the Mixed Economy model (Norway and Sweden). And that massive expense goes to increase the wealth of billionaire investors, but has a massive cost to the USA not only in terms of creating crippling debts, houses having to be sold to pay for medical care, etc - but also in terms of having a less healthy and therefore less productive workforce. AI (Artificial Intelligence) triage certainly sounds good in theory, though whether it will work in practice remains to be seen. My fear is that due to lack of government funding, sooner or later AI will be used as the sole diagnostic tool. Should that be the cse, it would be a recipe for missed diagnosies and poorer health care. Indeed, the rationale of the government for introducing AI could be purely to cut costs.
Shocking state is a great excuse for pfi and private investors to move in. Just listen to Streeting. Difficult to be preventative with child poverty and removal of winter heating allowance. What wouldn't be a tough choice would be to tax the mega rich by 1 per cent extra and actually consider taxing the energy companies properly on their gargantuan off the scale profits
why is our NHS in such a state, for years governments past and present have the NHS to be used by everyone from every other country to use it without any payment it has lost money because we have given treatment free for people from other countries yet we have had to pay to support the NHS, there is something wrong when we in this country want to take a holiday or to trvel to other country they stipulate that we take out insurance to cover our treatment if needed its ethicly and moraly wrong.
WE NEED A NEW HEALTHCARE MARKET PLACE.....BASED ON CURES & SURVIVAL RATES ONLY!!! FREE FOR ALL. AS SUCCESS = REWARDS = BIG BONUS % RATES FOR EVERYONE! X
Stop spending money on things that are not heath care then, and get rid of the top heavy management structure.
And stop or heavily reduce outsourcing to private companies
@@davidmcculloch8490how would you quickly alleviate the burden on the NHS without involving the private sector?
They don’t want to save it, they want to privatise it
Been the sinister plan all along by their elitist corporate masters.
Illegals won't be able to pay for private though
@@Air7Rhythms Something like 80% of people who seek asylum here are successful, thus they were never illegal immigrants.
The refugee convention states that even if their means of entry would usually be considered illegal, if they come here after fleeing a country in which their lives or freedom were threatened for religious, racial, social, political, or nationality reasons their means of entry are not considered illegal as they have a valid claim.
@AndersBrevic This is true.
@@lcg8220that is just their remit.
railways had no reform attached when their drivers were given an unjust £10k pay rise
Code for privatisation
It’s already privatised.
@Smith-t1xgood luck with affording your health insurance.
Yep and working class will have to pay
No , it’ll be a two tier NHS and we’ll all be forced to pay for healthcare.
We’re forced to pay for the NHS now 🤷♂️
we pay now, well some of us do. Don't tell me, you think it is government money who pays for the NHS?
Paying for health care the Tory plan!
I don't have a problem with that, it will considerably reduce the number of workshy wasters going to A&E every week.
Already do, went private during Covid. Saw this 💩 coming a mile off.
Better get used to it everyone. NHS privatisation is on the way. We were all warned long ago. Good luck with paying for your health insurance.
No he cannot. He can destroy our economy, culture and society though. And he will.
The tories made a good job!
@@paulfairbairn1066 They took over the mess left by Blair and Brown. The Tories were inept and abandoned their roots and betrayed their voters. They did not cover themselves in any glory. Quite the opposite. But what Starmer is set to do will be worse than any Govt in our history. We will all suffer. Including you and anyone else foolish enough to vote for them.
@@MuirECdon’t even remind me of Gordon Brown man..
@@MuirECexactly!!!
@@MuirECI think 14 years were enough,and they fixed NOTHING
Let me guess, more taxes without making any attempt to reform it?
lol if only. He’s going to privatise for his donors. Welcome to an American style system
Labours track record on NHS is amazing. You won't realise how fucked it is until you need it.
@@braindonor8753 Amazing in that they managed to funnel more cash into private hands , just like their Tory mates?
I used to work at the Glenfield hospital between 1989 2011 and I’ve seen how money is wasted and terrible management. I don’t see any government fixing the NHS because of incompetence ✌🏼❤️
I have no racist or prejudice views and work as a male nurse in the NHS. The NHS is on its knees, partly because many more expensive techniques, procedures and medications are being used than ever before. But the other main reason I think, is because too many people are trying to use it, that don’t or have never paid any contributions towards its use. Over the past decade nearly 10 million refugees/migrants have come into our country, without ever paying into the NHS, but they are much more likely to use it, mainly because these people have come from poverty and war torn countries. Also add to this the UK economic “inactivity rate”, people who don’t work for one reason or another, which stands at a record 22% (2023), that’s people not working and paying contributions into the NHS. Also there’s the argument that we need more doctors and nurses from abroad, which obviously if the extra sudden increase in population wasn’t so dramatic, our own-grown doctors and nurses would be good enough.
Labour talked about using the private sector to help the NHS, backdoor privatisation in anybody's language.
NHS needs money. It can save millions by removing the overpaid hospital managers introduced by Thatcher as part of her privatisation by stealth policy. Private medicine in the UK survived by using NHS labs for testing by consultants who hold both NHS and private positions. Using these people to clear waiting lists that these individuals create is just stupid and possibly corrupt. NHS appointments should exclude private practice. And of course some targeted taxes on wealth should be introduced to improve buildings and pay for nursing staff and junior doctors.
You want to save the NHS sack everyone in management or higher positions then come down hard on all of their spending nation wide.
I was an NHS building contractor and the invoices I've got for over spending and unnecessary works just for budget justification would anger the entire NI paying population.
Example:
£56,000 for a staff toilet refurb when it could have been done for £3,000 all because 3 receptionists decided they wanted material that is reserved for JP Morgan office new builds.
Thats not even the worst.
Lastly make it NI contributors and British passport holders only anyone else pays private prices no ifs no buts.
RUclips removed the comment I left explaining in brutal honesty why I personally hold this position against the NHS.
I hold them personally responsible for losing my entire family through negligence.
Making me fight the directors in court for 6 years to get my now deceased paralysed sister recognised as disabled. She was only 39.
Refusing her rehabilitation and care after a catastrophic life changing aneurysm.
When I needed them I was left to figure it out for myself and when I really needed them I was forgotten waiting for triage and found on the floor after signing into A&E 18 hours prior.
Don't even get me started on what I saw behind closed doors during covid.
Thats just the version RUclips will let me post
Whst a stupid stupid thing for PM to say the NHS will die without change. Trouble is by his actions and those of Robber Reeves, many many pensioners will sadly die this winter. No government can survive this scandalous behaviour against our elderly citizens.
Only if he privatise it.
Correct
Mate pensioners are the richest age group in the country. Those who need it most will still get the fuel allowance. The rest can do without £300 once per year until their pension goes up £400+ next year anyway.
The news groups omit the fact that the low funded pensioners will still get it, this bias has to stop in our propaganda news outlets that are aligned to one political party or another.
@@Captain_Crusty Spot on
Excellent debate on privatisation
Everything that any gov gets involved in turns to shite.
The economy is in crisis, the NHS is in crisis. A common denominator is Jeremy Hunt maybe?
Ok that is a fair comment but what has this government done to put things right, nothing. In fact they are making things worse, I will give it a year at current trajectory before we have a serious financial crisis. Investment is leaving the UK, industry is leaving the UK, we have the most expensive energy in Europe and some of the highest taxes with the worst services and infrastructure and this government is making it all worse not better.
Yep, China.
2KS also believes "pensioner's must reform or die"
It's the people who run the NHS who is the fault
Societies misfits, we can thank equal opportunities,there employing numpties.
Did Starmer take money from private health care providers? Did Starmer take money from the unions? See the connection.
Starmer needs the nhs urgently HE NEEDS A BRAIN SCAN .
To find one...
They have proven themselves to be profoundly deluded and gravely inept in just 9 weeks - my heart sinks at what destructive horrors they could unleash in the NHS.
Oh, the tories did such a good job, you think?
@@paulfairbairn1066 No one said that.
Never mind the destructive horrors of the last 14 years. You can not build a house in 9 weeks , never mind what tories did to NHS and care system.
Don't make me tap the "£30b+ spent on corrupt covid contracts under the Tories" sign again.
And that's just one of many I can point to, want me to list some more?
@lcg8220 tories were terrible but if you think labour are any better with money than the tories then you're daft
They don’t want the nhs
starmer couldn't sort out his laundry.
That majes two of you then. I wondered why you were wearing pink.
I heard the worst pm in history called "qweer stalin" It made me chuckle
When?
@@MariaHopwoodIt needs funding not reforming.
@@MariaHopwoodAre you asleep
@@Noel-ji8nmyes, let's keep giving the government more and more money until things work! Duhhhhh!!!!!!!!
I had such high hopes for Starmer. All turned to dust in weeks.
Me too ..
Stuck Farmer :)
The Conservative party under funded it to say its not fit for purpose to privatise the NHS.
They also outsorced alot of services and now there is import tax on medication from the EU, also boarder checking system increases time to get medication within the UK making it more expensive to transport.
They have also done the same to the prison service and the army recruitment. Look at the state of the water boards, the one the tories look after... corrupt and greedy.
Just follow what Labour in Wales have achieved!
yep and that is a mess, and I live in wales. plus stupid 20mph etc
No of course not, it's top heavy with management, run like this inept goverment, and clueless manager relying on a money pit thrown at it
He doesn't care who or what dies. Especially pensioners .
Round and round and round
More money given to the private sector just like they did with Covid?
The NHS has always been struggling BUT it's struggles got serve during Labour's Tony Blair and Gordon Brown tenure, mainly Tony Blair when he implemented his 'open door' policy. This meant the UK's border and visa's controls were relaxed, ten's of thousands of EU migrants and tens of thousands of migrants from other outside of the EU flooded into the UK. All these extra tens of thousands of extra people flooding into the UK all needed medical care, jobs, houses, school places for their children. This put strain on the education system because more children were wanting school places. This put a huge strain on GP services because more people were signing onto their books. It put a strain on council services because many of them were unemployed and thus due to Labour's relaxing of polices were able to claim council benefits, more rubbish was being generated, this also put a strain on council social care and welfare because the new arrivals needed council help. This also put a massive strain on the NHS for two main reasons, 1) the new arrivals were in need of medical treatment which meant more hospital beds were needed than hospitals could cope with. Every hospital service and department was swamped with new arrivals wanting medical care, something all hospitals and social care places could not cope with. The 2nd reason is cheap labour. NHS bosses saw opportunities where they could make more money for themselves if they got rid of more highly experience but expensive staff for cheaper less experienced ones take from the new arrivals. The NHS is under massive strain due to what's known as 'healthcare tourism' where many foreigners who have medical problems get travel visas into the UK, then use the NHS to fix their health problem and then go back to their home country. Every thing has to be paid for but yet these healthcare tourists do not pay a thing which means the NHS loses money every time they treat a healthcare tourist. Then you have pharmaceutical companies ripping off the NHS with the prices of their medicines.
Morale is bad in the NHS which governments both past and present refused to give nurses and doctors decent pay rises. MP's always got their hefty pay rises but nope not NHS workers so of course all the very good nurses and doctors left and they were replaced with cheap foreign labour. Past and present governments continue to let ten's of thousands of foreigners into the UK and yet refuse to put money to increase services which is why the NHS is at continued breaking point, GP's are at breaking point and dentists have already exceeded breaking point because tens of thousands of UK citizens cannot get a dentist because there is so few of them because past and present governments will not pay them a decent wage.
In my opinion it is criminal of the previous Conservative and now the Labour government to blame issues on the NHS due to the countries citizen's living longer thereby putting strain on the NHS because of their health issues. Living longer has never been a cause of strain on the NHS, all of the above I've written is and not a single MP from ANY political party will admit to that.
Starmer thinks he knows how to sort out the NHS. No he doesn't because deep down he knows it was once his part leader Tony Blair that caused the problems. Everyone who has lived in the UK long enough knows what has caused the problems in the NHS and it is nothing that Starmer suggests.
They need to get rid of lots of so called management and all non jobs then put care back in hands of medical staff on the front line,we have heard this line time and time again about change and still nothing does change,personally I think the statement from starmer stinks of privatisation.
The administrative side takes the burdens off the medical staff
ARE LABOUR VOTERS REGRETTING FOR VOTING FOR LABOUR?
He couldn't save a granny from the cold the wet wipe
Sack the govt and install people who actually care about the people who pay their wages.
The only cure is to re-nationalise it. They need to end the PFIs that was implemented under Blair and kept the NHS in huge amounts of debt. They need to invest huge amounts of public money, which we CAN borrow, and CAN afford, because government finances are NOT the same as houshold budgets. But we know these Red Tories are just going to privatise it further, as public money continues to be laundered into the pockets of private profiteers.
Pmsl you're deluded if you think a country can simply print and borrow mass amounts of money, our debt to GDP ratio is over 100% weve hit our safe borrowing limit. Look at Argentina
@@lewis123417 not deluded, educated son. We're the 6th richest country in the world, for the last 40 years we've followed the failed neoliberal economic model, all it takes is to change our economic model, Bidens moved away from neoliberalism with great success.
@kathrynbeetham5308 we're the 6th richest country in the world yet you just said our neoliberalism has failed.......again we know for a fact the money printer or borrowing isn't unlimited without consequences. You're totally uneducated in any serious economics if you think it's possible to sustain unlimited amounts of spending with no real economy to back it up. If that worked Argentina would be the wealthiest country on the planet
@@kathrynbeetham5308 you act like the old socialist model of the 70s was perfect. It wasn't. There's a reason we abandoned it, including the labour party themselves
@@kathrynbeetham5308 your literally talking about what Zimbabwe did 🤣 they like you thought they could simply print and spend their way into growth as well
We are still paying for Blairs pfi in schools and hospitals now
They want to destroy it like they destroy everything else they touch.
I do not understand why family carers do not get decent pay to look after family, saving 2 rds on home care costs, and also have all elderly people pay only % of wealth to pay towards their care.NHS needs a central distributor centre and collective buying power.No reason people cannot pay for gp visits which will stop people running to Dr's for sniffles and over running gp surgeries and A& E rooms.
Pessimistic PM not listening to the public and having an awful tenure, shocking.
My prescriptions are for 28 days at a time - whereas in other countries, medicine packs have 50 or 100 pills. This benefits pharmacists here who get 3 times as many prescriptions and allows them to carry on without investing.
I visited Berlin Hauptbahnhof's pharmacy on one occasion - picking packets of medicine was done automatically without human intervention, no need for checking and two signatures. Ive never seen that in Britain.
Then in Spain, it seems that many prescription items are available over the counter without a prescription and cheap medicines are half the cost of our prescription charge.
snap I can only enough asthma inhaler to last a month and so I have to pay 12 times a year
It’s not pharmacists it’s the pharmaceutical industry. Independent pharmacy owners are making losses dispensing drugs at below cost price. Go look at the stats, 1 in 6 have closed
@mchaplin66 then you're a fool. Prepayment certs save you 2 months cost on one item. Long before you add in all the other items that are now effectively free
The elderly will probably be sacrificed again to save more money.
Meanwhile the NHS will be providing for all new uninvited? newcomers to the country , isn't that ultimately going to put yet more strain on an already overloaded? NHS.
What about social care? They both should be reformed.
He's going to introduce Blairs ' medical ' wallet ! Basically all your ' medical' data in a handy app but it can be used to store all your digital info... Digital I.D cards
Starmer is doing his masters bidding 👍
That's strange! I'm sure I remember Starmageddon promising to scrap NHS outsourcing if he won the election.
Could he have been lying? 😂
He can make it so we pay and immigrants don't
Immigrants work, pay taxes, and N.I. moron.
Starmer has to go, all he promised was lies 🤬🤬🤬
Starmer is all talk and no do, unless he is doing things that are fundamentally anti British and bad for the country, then he's all over it.
No legal UK ID papers, no free treatment.
They come from abroad get treatment and go back with out paying for it
The unions will decide if the NHS is reformed not Starmer .
Let's hope so, only the Unions are on our side right now. That and a few M.P.s .
I was hoping Lammy would give that $782 million burning a hole in his pocket to the NHS. Oh well, we each have our own priorities.
Liebour dont listen to anythithat comes out there mouth
Yes Google your still trying to stop the truth coming out 😂😂😂😂😂
He couldn’t reform a paper bag.
That man couldn't reform anything he is so stuck up he doesn't see whats in front of him.,
Unfortunately they will only talk but do nothing. They will find a nice excuse to do nothing
Red Tories…
This is a discussion for adults who don’t use slogans
@@markgt894nothing of the sort.
Far far worse. He's a communist.
NHS is finished you’re all living in the past it’s not the 70s or the 80s anymore you’re talking about a different people. It’s just not gonna work.
As a chronically ill person who grew up poor, I totally understand the people raising the spectre of privatisation, but we also need to keep in mind that this fear-mongering might well get in the way of actually improving the NHS and contribute to grinding it into the dirt. If everyone on every side just constantly says 'no' to everything, we doom ourselves.
Would not trust him to tie his own shoe laces.
Too many top and middle management on high saleries for a start that are not needed.
Stop giving free treatment to non brits who don't contribute and don't pay national insurance
Victoria,s concluding remarks need highlighting.Yes, embedding health across all departments - and not forgetting tackling the food industry!
if Thatcher could reform the mines, I am sure the NHS can be reformed😂
Stop giving free treatment to non brits
It doesn't. Educate yourself.
I am not Brit....and I do pay
£150.00 per week in taxes....
and I never used " the NHS"
.....in the last 20 years I've been in this country
@@joerod7526 same here
You're a funny guy
@@kathrynbeetham5308! Rubbish.
Given the disgusting care both my Dad and Mum were afforded I can only hope something is done so that no one has to go through what many, including myself, have.
Stop all the crooked contracts,.
Sell the unused items which the NHS brought.
Get rid of 90 percent of the consultants on big money who do nothing.
Bring back matrons to organise nurses and jr doctors.
Make sure all shifts get the same pay.
Get rid of paperwork and issue tablets .
Overhaul the IT systems.
Expand non-urgent care to take off the load from A&E.
Build a couple of new hospitals.
Increase frontline staff pay.
The consultants all do things? Without consultants the hospitals would become very unsafe because they ensure the actions of more junior staff are practically appropriate as a result of their experience. You can’t pay all shifts the same it doesn’t work that way as it wouldn’t in any other job. Working night shifts pays more because there are fewer staff on at that time and it is more risky to do as well, as that fact it ruins a persons day so to speak. Overtime pay additionally should be paid more because it is a person working outside of their contracted hours at the request of the hospital.
Stop treating the world for free,consultants and doctors choose NHS or Private who you work for...we should have aftercare type hospitals for older patients and, bring back mental asylum type hospitals....Stop the Greed at the top level !
@@harismohammad2005 that's false. Most of the consultants have their own private practices and on 10% of the time do NHS work to show they are versatile but they get paid way more than the regular doctors for doing the same thing when most of the time they take on no cases.
@@TabsT-vy5jy I don’t know what you mean by ‘regular doctors’. Within medicine there are bandings for levels of doctor based on their experience, expertise and practise. Namely these are medical student, junior doctor ( now being changed to resident), registrar and consultant. There is no ‘regular doctor’ as they are all doctors just at different stages in their career. Consultants have the most experience and are responsible for ensuring the doctors working at a lower level of experience are doing so safely and effectively. Failure to manage more junior colleagues can result in them having to take partial responsibility over any complications arising from their junior staff. Consultants are experts in their field of medicine and know what they are doing for example in cardiology their consultants specific to heart surgery, heart conduction, heart shape and structure, heart attacks, heart devices and so on… these specialisms further specialise because they are so complicated. Because consultants know what they are doing the chance of complications as a result of human error decreases making a procedure safe if a ‘regular doctor’ were to perform said procedures it will more than likely not be safe because they do not have that experience to ensure they know what will and will not cause problems. As a result consultants rightly so should be paid more for their experience as that only makes sense especially when they are dealing with human lives which are in themselves priceless. Yes consultants work privately they shouldn’t do it on NHS premises or during their contract hours with the NHS 100% I agree however, because they are experts and doctors they are more than welcome to open private practices as that is their right. If doctors aren’t being paid enough in the NHS chances are they will open private practices in order to make money as that is one of the main reasons they go down the profession. FYI as well all decisions made by a ‘regular doctor’ have to be run through the consultant first so no they do attend every case albeit you don’t see them because their is another fully qualified doctor seeing you.
@@harismohammad2005 their wage packets should be published, some, if not many, are on at least over 300k per year. Big pharma needs to be giving a return imo they are the suppliers and without NHS etc wouldn't be able to deliver and earn trillions at cost of everyone's health.
Care in the community = outsourcing services to private companies to provide this care.
I regret to vote the Labour Party they want to suffer all the pensioners
The sooner the country and politicians realise the NHS canmot survive as it is however much money is poured into it , the sooner we can come to grips on how to save it . And partial privatisation is an essential element . In the classic car industry we have individual specialist companies who by definition are masters on one make which keep costs under control . The same elements can save literally billions of pounds in costs . I'm 71 and have had these ideals since l was 18 ........
It's inefficient getting all health for free. It should switch to a insurance system.
How do you pay for a health service if you end the NHS and expect everyone to pay for their health care at point of use. I think it is inevitable that within 25 years there will be no National Health Service. I also predict that within that time period we will see a number of politicians being rewarded with director positions in many of the large pharmaceutical companies, private hospitals and care homes, and any other profitable health providers.
Welcome to the Brave New World.
Anyone who says giving the jr doctors a pay rise was wrong isn't worth listening to. We've been taking doctors for granted while their real terms pay is whittled away and the conditions they work in get worse. Doctors, even the junior ones, can earn far more overseas, in other Anglosphere nations or other developed countries, while working fewer hours and many of them were leaving in order to enjoy such offers. The NHS will not improve if we're in a retention crisis with staff and to ensure that such a crisis does not exist, we have to pay them competitively. For years we've been draining devloping nations of their doctors and nurses, happy to take advantage of a global market for healthcare professionals, now we've allowed things to get bad enough here that other countries are visiting the same treatment to us.
The antagonistic approach of the Tory party to strikes merely prolongs them and costs tax payers more in the long run. Far better to establish a deal with these vital staff and keep hold of them. Unless, of course, your actual goal is to keep making the NHS less and less functional so as to make people more receptive to the notion of privatised healthcare...
He needs to reform himself first before he trys to sort out the nhs
No, he's just going to hand it over to his mates in private healthcare.
Stammer cant reform his own household if his life depends on it. Quite a two faced, two tier useless PM
Why are there random stacks of books on tables in this room? And sweeping movie cameras? These clowns aren't worth listening to
Lot of resources, not used . Myself and wife are graduated doctor and dentist but working as cleaners because of stupid bureaucracy
The problem is the lack of care homes
The eldery take up the majority of the beds as they have nowhere to go. Not enough care packages
Never mind paying doctors more.
Give careworkers a better wage!!
Fortunately I live in Scotland and have had brilliant treatment. In out and xrayed within 2 and a half hours. Sorry to boast
To save the NHS Get Stalin out now
Beyond reform; privatise it; give every person in the UK the £3000 a year each in tax it costs per man woman and child and let them take out private insurance.
Starmer couldn't tie his own shoelaces
We now have the two main political parties wedded to the Neoliberal economic system, where privatisation is seen as being more efficient (and therefore more desirable) than having nationalized services and utilities. The words 'Reform or Die' in relation to the NHS sound ominous to me.
Starmer and Streeting are talking of introducing MORE PFIs (Private Funding Initiatives) which have a long-term detrimental effect upon hospitals and NHS Trusts. This is because there is a built-in conflict of interests between investors who prioritize maximum profits (dividends) and the provision of health care to the population.
Investors demand a return for their investment, which has put many hospitals and Health Care Trusts into debt. The idea of running a public service as a business is completely bonkers, and is borne of political ideology, of corporate greed, and of a desire to massively reduce public spending.
The ideology of shrinking the size of the state has become the political/economic consensus between Labour and Tory Parties alike. Prior to Thatcher, the consensus was for the Mixed Economy model, which held that public services and utilities should be exclusively owned and controlled by the state, and funded via taxation.
The main differences between Labour and Tory ideology and policy seems to be the DEGREE to which things are privatized, not the core ideology itself. Corporate profits are now held as being sacrosanct.
Needless to say, ruling political parties and their MPs - particularly Cabinet Ministers - are 'encouraged' by powerful and well-funded lobby groups looking for investment opportunities as the NHS becomes more and more privatised.
NHS England is not state owned, instead this is a privately owned and run company. But most people are entirely unaware of this, largely because the name - NHS England - SOUNDS like a state-owned and controlled entity, whereas in reality it is NOT. Such is the degree and extent of creeping privatization.
In reality, private health care, funded by health insurance (rather than taxes) - as seen in the USA - is FAR more expensive and FAR less efficient than state-owned and run health care services in nations which still run on the Mixed Economy model (Norway and Sweden).
And that massive expense goes to increase the wealth of billionaire investors, but has a massive cost to the USA not only in terms of creating crippling debts, houses having to be sold to pay for medical care, etc - but also in terms of having a less healthy and therefore less productive workforce.
AI (Artificial Intelligence) triage certainly sounds good in theory, though whether it will work in practice remains to be seen. My fear is that due to lack of government funding, sooner or later AI will be used as the sole diagnostic tool. Should that be the cse, it would be a recipe for missed diagnosies and poorer health care.
Indeed, the rationale of the government for introducing AI could be purely to cut costs.
Will an effective well funded NHS cost us more than we pay each year for our weapons of mass destruction.
What does he mean die????
NO that cannot ever happen ever
Shocking state is a great excuse for pfi and private investors to move in. Just listen to Streeting. Difficult to be preventative with child poverty and removal of winter heating allowance. What wouldn't be a tough choice would be to tax the mega rich by 1 per cent extra and actually consider taxing the energy companies properly on their gargantuan off the scale profits
why is our NHS in such a state, for years governments past and present have the NHS to be used by everyone from every other country to use it without any payment it has lost money because we have given treatment free for people from other countries yet we have had to pay to support the NHS, there is something wrong when we in this country want to take a holiday or to trvel to other country they stipulate that we take out insurance to cover our treatment if needed its ethicly and moraly wrong.
The NHS is still doing a good job. However, it can always be improved and updated. AI can help. Continuous improvement is the way forward.
NHS says "Starmer must reform or Dye." ---FIXED IT FOR YOU.
Why is that if I had a bad knee bad ,back ,asthma,do I have to make 3 appointments.No wonder the nhs is crumbling.
So we people have to be careful of our health and we have to be treated by ourselves thank you you corrected the sentences!!!!!!❤❤❤❤❤❤❤😅😅😅😅😊😊😊
It'a The Labour Party that needs to be reformed
ASK the TAXPAYER how to save the NHS and OUR COUNTRY AND DO AS THEY ASK THEY ASK AS THEY ARE THE 1S PAYING FOR IT
WE NEED A NEW HEALTHCARE MARKET PLACE.....BASED ON CURES & SURVIVAL RATES ONLY!!!
FREE FOR ALL. AS SUCCESS = REWARDS = BIG BONUS % RATES FOR EVERYONE! X
Reform, sounds like he eats reconstituated ham, reformed meat! What you going to do with OUR NURSES?
NO but reform CAN reform the NHS
He's done very well with immigration why not give him a go?