I said 4.64 at the start to this and was just about on. Ive watched allot of these big buck races. Cool video and gow you graphed it and broke it all down.
OMG, Burn out done, check gauges, my dial put in the box, their dial in put in the box, now check the chart to see where it falls and my chances of winning? , BOOM HEAD EXPLODES IN HELMET! Thanks Tom.
Hey I just wanted to thank you. I got my first two pack Wednesday night. Perfect light and dead on with the two. I went with your 5% discount and Z-Force box method halfway through the season. It's really starting to feel like second nature now. :-) thank you again.
Thank you for this data. This does prove what I have felt these past couple of years that the sweet spot for a digger was 4.50-4.60 range based on how many 4.70-4.80 cars I've seen. This gives a racer a great spot to chase most round but not by a crazy amount to truly feel out the run.
I know right!! Like every time I go to a big race i always wonder what’s the average and if it’s getting faster and what’s the best spot to be. I finally decided to just put the work in and figure it out! Haha.
Hey Tom, I'm about to buy my first real drag car. Leaning towards a dragster over an altered. I love the content. Yeah, alot of info, BUT, I followed you. It's always good to play the odds !
I have driven both types of cars, fast dragsters and slow door cars (hopefully fast top sportsman car, if we can afford to get it finished soon). That being said, what I have determined is the spread in the two guys on the track determines if the outcome can even be judged by the drivers. Thanks for the video Tom, very interesting analysis....I'm a data nerd too, and have been looking at this for a while as well. Thanks for putting it on paper for us!
Funny to me when my rail was being built and I was selecting my power plant I wanted to be at 4.70 because the majority is. I like tight races with little margin between dials. Interesting analysis here!
Always good to analyze real world. Only way to support or deny assumptions, such as faster car always/usually wins. Also, you carefully point out the data is specific to 3 big money races. Big money races draw top talent and cars which results in cleaner data. Less perfect track, less experienced drivers, inconsistent cars, could result in an entirely different statistical outcome. A lot of work, but valuable info. Thanks.
Tom at around 15:00, you wanted to not look at the large spread as much but I think you need to take into consideration the .045 spread... Take a 5.00 car and put it against a 4.70-4.60 car, earlier in the video it was shown how the 5.00 cars were high up on the win percentage and a 5.00 car against a 4.70ish car is not uncommon.. Now I have a theory as to why the 5.00 cars won a lot, and that is because they don't make a ton of power and as long as they are close on the setup, they are super consistent without spinning etc. Now, look at the average 4.80 car.. Imagine going 4.80's on your old 15" wheels and tire setup, I know when I was on 15" high 4.90's the car was deadly, when it would get into the lower 4.90's it actually had a tendency to spin more.. Just some thoughts on that..
A couple of things....thoroughly enjoyed the breakdown. Successful people always tend to put in the extra work that others don't/won't. 2) I now know why you just put a 900" motor in your car...lol...and 3) why are slower cars called dragons? Appreciate you sharing this data. Looking forward to you and Pop back on the track.
Haha, to answer #3, it was a little nod to the great Chet Dragon, who has a really unique car in the dragster class. It’s a slower 6 something second altered with an old school look to it. It’s an out of the ordinary set up but he still has a lot of success with it!!
I always enjoyed being chased and the clean tree. However, then I raced a fast borrowed car and went 7 rounds and won. I was blew away how easy it was when everything was in front of you and what it meant to catch someone early. My suggestion is to always be the fastest, to do that, build to the top of your class. If the cutoff et is 13.5 or 9.99, build the car to run that.
just my take, but it looks like competitors in the slower cars tend to be a bit less consistent, maybe less experienced in that class. and possibly what throws the numbers off is a few veteran Stars that have not moved up in speed, still taking in the wins. anyway, thanks for some very interesting data and analysis, Tom
Thanks Kevin!! I thought about red lights a lot when I was working on this. In fact, I really wish I would have excluded all red light passes because it could actually be altering these results a bit. But in reality, checking every lap for a red light would mean I would need to make another stop on the stream for each lap... which have made collecting this data take even longer. Haha. All I collected was the dials and the win lights. Didn’t collect HOW the win light got on. I wish I had that data, but unfortunately I don’t!!
@@GallStarTV No worries, have watched a few of the live streams and am impressed you recorded these runs! Now, about the door cars....(that was a great addition to your video)!
Be interesting to compare this data to that of one where true start was used to see how much the first chance to red light affected the slow car data. It’d be interesting to see how much true start actually affects the statistics of racing or is it just completely negligible.
I love my slow door car. It has won me quite a few rounds lol. 7.20s vs a 4.70 dragster. I have a spot on them. They don’t. Not enough of us real slow guys in super pro for them to run enough to have a spot. Plenty of 4.70 dragsters I’ve had to run lol. I’ve gotten so used to be the slowing car I like it. I think the sweet spot in a door car is around a 6.0-6.30 car. Especially on a subpar surface.
I believe 3 years ago 4.65/4.70 would have been the “sweet spot”. Cars are getting faster every year. Therefore the sweet spot is getting lower and lower. Btw.. Get’M is the best!!!
Is there a way for you to look at sunshine/time of day with the left or right lane wins? For the Average winning ET can/did you remove red light races/broken/bye runs/other things that might make average numbers spread...maybe only include races decided by .040 or less? only 27 5.0 cars, time to evaluate those by car number!
If you did the max spread at the sfg 1.1 in all rounds I can tell you right now the spread would’ve been a bit bigger bc I had a round where I was dialing something like a 5.20 vs a 4.10 dragster lol. I did win that round at least.
Good video. But I do think there might be another way of looking at/explaining all this. My thinking is that, the truly elite drivers are going to be winning a lot of money early on, so they've got more disposable income to spend on their racing programs. And they spend that extra money to make their cars faster, getting into that magic 4.30-4.40 range. So then you've got all these great drivers grouped into one category of data, so of course that ET range is going to have a higher win percentage than the others. Even though it may well be easier to judge the stripe and win races from this angle, I'm thinking that its more about the caliber of drivers in this range than anything else. JMO
Very true!! A “new to the dragster class” driver who has less experience then most is probably not going to be in the 4:50 range right away. At the same time there are a handful of “big hitters” in the 4:80 range too (Williams boys for example) and look at the 5:00 cars, maybe they’re just awesome racers?? 😁 I’m not so all trying to make it sound like this is an end all be all analysis. It was just something I was curious to dive into and thought it might make an interesting video. Of course this data is continuously changing and it really depends on what races you’re running too! This data would sure look a lot different at one of my local races vs a big money race. Lots of things to ponder and I agree with everything you said too 👊
This data is skewed by the ability to purchase certain size engines in bulk pricing. 75% of dragsters will have a 540-582" engine and run in the 4.60-4.80 range. That's why it looks like you win more with that ET range
Now do doorcars! Also, I'd be more interested in knowing this information using mph instead of et. That could be more relevant in terms of spread info over more scenarios. Imho
I'm going to build a 4:90-5.0 roadster. Seems like it's at the top end of the door cars by a half-second, has a bit slower '60 than a fast dragster.... so it's going to work on a greasy track, and has a full bulb split on the 4.65 (avg) dragsters, which the data shows is about the sweet spot. Your old combo used to run low 5's.... Seems like you won a World Championship in it.....
I liked being the fastest car, but when it got around 2 seconds (street class) it got kind of nerve wracking. Everyone dogged on my 1985 Corvette as being slow but in street class a 13.93 car is fast, especially in 1992! BTW, a car faster then 13.60 was kicked out of street at that time!
I love being the faster car because in 7.90 Jr dragsters your always the faster car and it’s kinda easier to judge the finish line and btw Tom this is Cody the one that’s texts u on instagram I’m codyalvey3610
@@jerrymarcum4684 if I pull up to a 448 Chevy II next year I’m probably gonna act like the throttle stuck after the burnout and just put it in the trailer 🙄
Did you factor in red lights the slower car if he reds first he loses so I think someone did something similar and cam up with the fastest car running that day has a 17 %chance of winning due to first red light loses dont know how true these numbers are but there us something there
A post before watching vid. Great American bracket race this past w/e footbraker Nasty Nick joins top cars for the million. Semi final Nick 6.09 car red light .007 Jeff Sayer 6.00?car red light .018. How is it fair or even racing when the first to red light loses? Why not the first car to breakout?
Depends on the track timing system. Some tracks and events run true start (so nick would have won since his red wasn’t as bad). But most tracks and events still run “first is worse”, which is traditionally how drag racing has always been. first is worse racing gives another little advantage to the fast car.
Your daughter was the STAR of this video!!!
As she normally is!! 😂
In all seriousness that was a huge challenge to co all that research! Well done Tom.
This is an excellent video, appreciate your effort in compiling all of the data to make this content.
Tom, That was very fascinating info. It pretty much confirms many racers choice of a quicker race car. Vera has got it right. Door cars rule!
I said 4.64 at the start to this and was just about on. Ive watched allot of these big buck races. Cool video and gow you graphed it and broke it all down.
Loved this video. Must have taken a huge amount of time to compile. Thanks for the hard work.
I appreciate it Jeff!! I did take awhile, but it was something I was curious about and once I got started I had to get to the end 😁
the longest I had to wait with a 906 ET dial into a 2399 dial in and I still caught him on the top and because of my reaction time of 001
OMG, Burn out done, check gauges, my dial put in the box, their dial in put in the box, now check the chart to see where it falls and my chances of winning? , BOOM
HEAD EXPLODES IN HELMET! Thanks Tom.
Oh Lordy now look what I’ve done!!! 🤣 🤯
Hey I just wanted to thank you. I got my first two pack Wednesday night. Perfect light and dead on with the two. I went with your 5% discount and Z-Force box method halfway through the season. It's really starting to feel like second nature now. :-) thank you again.
Awesome man!!! Glad you like it. Thank you for supporting GallStar TV and our sponsors!!!
Thank you for this data. This does prove what I have felt these past couple of years that the sweet spot for a digger was 4.50-4.60 range based on how many 4.70-4.80 cars I've seen. This gives a racer a great spot to chase most round but not by a crazy amount to truly feel out the run.
I know right!! Like every time I go to a big race i always wonder what’s the average and if it’s getting faster and what’s the best spot to be. I finally decided to just put the work in and figure it out! Haha.
Love your channel bud! I hope to see out there soon!
Hey Tom, I'm about to buy my first real drag car. Leaning towards a dragster over an altered. I love the content. Yeah, alot of info, BUT, I followed you. It's always good to play the odds !
Great analysis! Data never lies!
I have driven both types of cars, fast dragsters and slow door cars (hopefully fast top sportsman car, if we can afford to get it finished soon). That being said, what I have determined is the spread in the two guys on the track determines if the outcome can even be judged by the drivers. Thanks for the video Tom, very interesting analysis....I'm a data nerd too, and have been looking at this for a while as well. Thanks for putting it on paper for us!
Loved the video, Please do this on the door car side!!
Funny to me when my rail was being built and I was selecting my power plant I wanted to be at 4.70 because the majority is. I like tight races with little margin between dials. Interesting analysis here!
Looks like you nailed it if you were going for the majority!!! Haha. Thanks man, glad you thought it was interesting 👍
Great data! Slower car disadvantage because they leave first. Red light factor. Always an advantage for faster car.
Always good to analyze real world. Only way to support or deny assumptions, such as faster car always/usually wins. Also, you carefully point out the data is specific to 3 big money races. Big money races draw top talent and cars which results in cleaner data. Less perfect track, less experienced drivers, inconsistent cars, could result in an entirely different statistical outcome. A lot of work, but valuable info. Thanks.
What is a good gear to run in 1/8 mile and 1/4. I use a 4:10 in my 1800 lb dragster for both? More success in 1/4. Loved the video.
Great video. A lot of research and time. Thank you for all your hard work.
Tom at around 15:00, you wanted to not look at the large spread as much but I think you need to take into consideration the .045 spread... Take a 5.00 car and put it against a 4.70-4.60 car, earlier in the video it was shown how the 5.00 cars were high up on the win percentage and a 5.00 car against a 4.70ish car is not uncommon.. Now I have a theory as to why the 5.00 cars won a lot, and that is because they don't make a ton of power and as long as they are close on the setup, they are super consistent without spinning etc. Now, look at the average 4.80 car.. Imagine going 4.80's on your old 15" wheels and tire setup, I know when I was on 15" high 4.90's the car was deadly, when it would get into the lower 4.90's it actually had a tendency to spin more.. Just some thoughts on that..
great information. when this video first started I said to myself it is probably 4.50
A couple of things....thoroughly enjoyed the breakdown. Successful people always tend to put in the extra work that others don't/won't. 2) I now know why you just put a 900" motor in your car...lol...and 3) why are slower cars called dragons?
Appreciate you sharing this data. Looking forward to you and Pop back on the track.
Haha, to answer #3, it was a little nod to the great Chet Dragon, who has a really unique car in the dragster class. It’s a slower 6 something second altered with an old school look to it. It’s an out of the ordinary set up but he still has a lot of success with it!!
Sorry Im late to the party. New to the channel. All I know is I want to slow my dragster down so I can name it "Dragon" lol
👊😂 haha nice !
Awesome data! Think I need a new et 🙁. The dragon you referenced is Chet! Local racer always going rounds!
Loved the analysis. Makes me think of doing something similar with the bracket bike class. Would be interesting to see.
I always enjoyed being chased and the clean tree. However, then I raced a fast borrowed car and went 7 rounds and won. I was blew away how easy it was when everything was in front of you and what it meant to catch someone early. My suggestion is to always be the fastest, to do that, build to the top of your class. If the cutoff et is 13.5 or 9.99, build the car to run that.
just my take, but it looks like competitors in the slower cars tend to be a bit less consistent, maybe less experienced in that class. and possibly what throws the numbers off is a few veteran Stars that have not moved up in speed, still taking in the wins. anyway, thanks for some very interesting data and analysis, Tom
Doesn't matter how fast your car is it matters most on your reaction time
Loved the analysis! Any data on the slower car red lighting?
Thanks Kevin!! I thought about red lights a lot when I was working on this. In fact, I really wish I would have excluded all red light passes because it could actually be altering these results a bit. But in reality, checking every lap for a red light would mean I would need to make another stop on the stream for each lap... which have made collecting this data take even longer. Haha. All I collected was the dials and the win lights. Didn’t collect HOW the win light got on.
I wish I had that data, but unfortunately I don’t!!
@@GallStarTV No worries, have watched a few of the live streams and am impressed you recorded these runs! Now, about the door cars....(that was a great addition to your video)!
Vera, repeat after me...I want a Dragster just like Dad and Grandpa...and when I grow up a stacker so I can race two cars at SFG.
Be interesting to compare this data to that of one where true start was used to see how much the first chance to red light affected the slow car data. It’d be interesting to see how much true start actually affects the statistics of racing or is it just completely negligible.
I love my slow door car. It has won me quite a few rounds lol. 7.20s vs a 4.70 dragster. I have a spot on them. They don’t. Not enough of us real slow guys in super pro for them to run enough to have a spot. Plenty of 4.70 dragsters I’ve had to run lol. I’ve gotten so used to be the slowing car I like it. I think the sweet spot in a door car is around a 6.0-6.30 car. Especially on a subpar surface.
I believe 3 years ago 4.65/4.70 would have been the “sweet spot”. Cars are getting faster every year. Therefore the sweet spot is getting lower and lower.
Btw.. Get’M is the best!!!
GET’M to the front!!!!!
Is there a way for you to look at sunshine/time of day with the left or right lane wins? For the Average winning ET can/did you remove red light races/broken/bye runs/other things that might make average numbers spread...maybe only include races decided by .040 or less? only 27 5.0 cars, time to evaluate those by car number!
If you did the max spread at the sfg 1.1 in all rounds I can tell you right now the spread would’ve been a bit bigger bc I had a round where I was dialing something like a 5.20 vs a 4.10 dragster lol. I did win that round at least.
Add a notch to the the slow side in the .90 spread category!!! 👊😁
Good video. But I do think there might be another way of looking at/explaining all this. My thinking is that, the truly elite drivers are going to be winning a lot of money early on, so they've got more disposable income to spend on their racing programs. And they spend that extra money to make their cars faster, getting into that magic 4.30-4.40 range. So then you've got all these great drivers grouped into one category of data, so of course that ET range is going to have a higher win percentage than the others. Even though it may well be easier to judge the stripe and win races from this angle, I'm thinking that its more about the caliber of drivers in this range than anything else. JMO
Very true!! A “new to the dragster class” driver who has less experience then most is probably not going to be in the 4:50 range right away. At the same time there are a handful of “big hitters” in the 4:80 range too (Williams boys for example) and look at the 5:00 cars, maybe they’re just awesome racers?? 😁 I’m not so all trying to make it sound like this is an end all be all analysis. It was just something I was curious to dive into and thought it might make an interesting video. Of course this data is continuously changing and it really depends on what races you’re running too! This data would sure look a lot different at one of my local races vs a big money race. Lots of things to ponder and I agree with everything you said too 👊
3👍's up guys thanks again for taking us all along with you
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@@bigredracer7848 I gotta figure out a way to monetize all these video efforts!!! Otherwise I couldn’t keep making them!! 👊
I dig how you think to win im dialing 5.90 come get me!!
Great information
This data is skewed by the ability to purchase certain size engines in bulk pricing. 75% of dragsters will have a 540-582" engine and run in the 4.60-4.80 range. That's why it looks like you win more with that ET range
Loved the video
Thanks Galen!!!
Interesting stuff Tom
THANK YOU!!! I was praying I wasn’t the only one that thought this was interesting.. 😂
And I was shocked at the 5.0 dial in win percentages.
@@nickhoffman5524 no kidding. Not something I can explain!!
Now do doorcars!
Also, I'd be more interested in knowing this information using mph instead of et. That could be more relevant in terms of spread info over more scenarios. Imho
I'm going to build a 4:90-5.0 roadster.
Seems like it's at the top end of the door cars by a half-second, has a bit slower '60 than a fast dragster.... so it's going to work on a greasy track, and has a full bulb split on the 4.65 (avg) dragsters, which the data shows is about the sweet spot.
Your old combo used to run low 5's....
Seems like you won a World Championship in it.....
5.0 dragster spike high gear only?
You left out one piece of important information. How would your stats change if counted the better light.
Great stuff
I liked being the fastest car, but when it got around 2 seconds (street class) it got kind of nerve wracking. Everyone dogged on my 1985 Corvette as being slow but in street class a 13.93 car is fast, especially in 1992! BTW, a car faster then 13.60 was kicked out of street at that time!
Love it!!
I think we should all pull together to put Tom in a 4.48 car. With the amount of money he will win, we all profit!
😂😁👍. You know it man 😉
How much will you spray to get to 4.48?
Vera is not only adorable she is smart as well. Door cars rule.
LOL. I’m a ways from the 4:50 range... 💰😬💰🤦🏻♂️
I love being the faster car because in 7.90 Jr dragsters your always the faster car and it’s kinda easier to judge the finish line and btw Tom this is Cody the one that’s texts u on instagram I’m codyalvey3610
I agree Cody!! Much easier when the action is happening in front of you instead of behind 👍
I. LOVE. DATA. That is all.
😁 You got it 👊
7.60 slow door car off the top here
** GO VERA **
So a 4.48 door car is an almost guaranteed win at a big money race.
😂 yeah guaranteed for sure LOL. Can’t figure out why one hasn’t won all the millions.. 🤣🤣🤣
If someone builds a 4.48 Chevy II, no one else has a chance.
@@jerrymarcum4684 if I pull up to a 448 Chevy II next year I’m probably gonna act like the throttle stuck after the burnout and just put it in the trailer 🙄
Did you factor in red lights the slower car if he reds first he loses so I think someone did something similar and cam up with the fastest car running that day has a 17 %chance of winning due to first red light loses dont know how true these numbers are but there us something there
A post before watching vid. Great American bracket race this past w/e footbraker Nasty Nick joins top cars for the million. Semi final Nick 6.09 car red light .007 Jeff Sayer 6.00?car red light .018.
How is it fair or even racing when the first to red light loses? Why not the first car to breakout?
Depends on the track timing system. Some tracks and events run true start (so nick would have won since his red wasn’t as bad). But most tracks and events still run “first is worse”, which is traditionally how drag racing has always been. first is worse racing gives another little advantage to the fast car.
@@GallStarTV I've always heard bracket racing levels the playing field so everyone can race
@@GallStarTV advantage to be faster
I whomped twice on the dislike button cause you told me to and I see what you did there 😂
🤯🤯🤯 LOL
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The slower car has the first chance to foul start.
I think you think to much.