The phrase “The Greater Good”, by its nature, implies an accompanying lesser evil. That, and the local good is less uncertain than the global or distant one.
The Dream of Nimrod, the politics of Plato and the banner of National Zocialists and International communists. However, there's a time and season for every purpose under heaven,band war is that time
Right? They act the bad guy to save everyone and then they leave everything with the people who suffered to make it as well as the schematics and tech. It sucks, it hurts, and it saves them all. I think it’s a curious story of what happens when you do or don’t tell people how you’re helping them help themselves.
Man Hot Fuzz really messed me up for life, I can't hear the phrase "the greater good" anymore without a part in back of my brain repeating it in a monotone voice. XD
Quark: ...so now, Gaila owns his own moon, and I'm staring into the abyss. And the worst part of it is, my only hope for salvation is the Federation! Garak: I know precisely how you feel! Quark: I want you to try something for me. Take a sip of this... Garak: What is it? Quark: A Human drink, it's called root beer Garak: uhh..I don't know Quark: C'mon, aren't you just a little bit curious? What do you think? Garak: ...ugh, it's vile! Quark: I know! It's so bubbly, and cloy, and happy! Garak: Just like the Federation! Quark: But you know what's really frightening? If you drink enough of it, you begin to like it! Garak: It's insidious! Quark: Just like the Federation! Garak: Do you think they'll be able to save us? Quark: I hope so!
Quark : Let me tell you something about Humans, Nephew. They're a wonderful, friendly people, as long as their bellies are full and their holosuites are working. But take away their creature comforts, deprive them of food, sleep, sonic showers, put their lives in jeopardy over an extended period of time and those same friendly, intelligent, wonderful people... will become as nasty and as violent as the most bloodthirsty Klingon.
@@nathanberrigan9839 That was an understatement on Quark's behalf. Klingons are still bound by a code of honor, one that ties in with their anomalously very real religion (seriously, the Klingon Afterlife is a place you can actually visit if you know where to go to do so). Humans have no such bindings. As such, a sufficiently pissed off human is less like the most bloodthirsty Klingon and more like a combination of the most bloodthirsty Klingon, the most ruthless Cardassian, the most devious Romulan and the most unyielding and self-sacrificial Jem'Hadar.
This has a warhammer feel about it, the pursers aka Tyranids and the humans and the greater good Tau. Trying to save the galaxy. But the humans in warhammer would be more likely to conquer the galaxy than save it. Thanks for a cool story. 👏👏
Well, all of the fundamentalist Imperium forces would have stayed and fought to the last man. Hence why only the less xenophobic "heretics" survived alongside a handful of the Tau.
@@mikeloeven well, yeah. They ate everything else in the galaxy and a few human ark ships are all that made it out. Except for the orks. It seems to me that fighting the nids would be too much like fighting animals: they just don't get that look in their eyes before they get crumped. In my head canon the rest of the orks managed to tear their way into the warp and meet up with Tuska and now Khorne is questioning his life choices.
@@anonygentalso could be advanced enough to use some gravitational devices to counter the deflection. Would need it for moving such large ships at any acceleration without tearing them apart
@@johnj3027 Lol sure. Because surrounding gas (or lack thereoff) has anything to do with the inertia of your own mass. Maybe pay more attention at school, next time?
It annoys me that people don’t understand that the definition of words evolve through use and that the old roman meaning is not the main definition nowadays.
@@feanedhell I understand what you're trying to say, but this is not the case here. This misuse by the author and many is due to ignorance, not an evolution of the word. Just because many are wrong, does not change the answer.
I imagine that as a species, humanity has condemned themselves to be traveling bringers of the greater good, viewing their acts upon entire galaxies (no matter how noble or important) to vile and reprehensible to ever even think of allowing themselves the satisfaction of truly uniting with any of the possibly dozens to hundreds of galaxies they've saved before, designating themseves to forever travel with the soul purpose of being the dark protectors of the universe until a day where the pursuers no longer pose a threat or they've driven themselves to extinction for their efforts, and if by the slim chance they ever due truly win, I doubt they as a species will return to any galaxy except their own, the one they couldn't save that drove them to such lengths, so that they could and their atrocities could be lost to time and the universe can forget the scars it laid witness to.
Im listening to this passively. There a pause right after the human transmission says "we will set you truly free" during that pause an ad played that just had music as a sound track. I thought the music was part of the story lol.
The message "we are sorry" seems weak for a century of forced servitude. However considering that for the humans in this story have had to raise each new generation with the ideas similar to "we can never be heros, we can never be good, we must be what we need to be. For the greater good." Essentially perpetually destroying themselves for the chance that one day good will prevail. Nameless and faceless martyrs. Soldiers cast from warriors. I'd say they deserve to be forgiven.
When you can't say the 'why' things are being done as they are being done, because it would cause fear and panic, what can they expect to be thought as? You know time is short, so it's imperative to push everyone hard, even to the point of death. What can they expect to be thought as? But the day arrives as you said, those you prepared for are here. Now, what are they thought as? Sometimes, knowing too much is not good, just as knowing too little is not good. A balance must be struck between the two so objectives can be achieved. Would the other species believed the humans if they had told the whole truth? Instead of preparing and letting the galaxy see the threat for themselves when it arrived? Sometimes, the only way to convince someone of the truth is for them to see it for themselves.
This story is actually really good I would like a carry on where did we go? Who will be fighting how long have you been fighting then what is the end goal? I’m smashing the like button
Remember they have done this many times, and when they were upfront they lost, as the population din't believe them or went into a panic. This time they had to choose, do they all die again or do you do what you have to so some maybe saved.
I agree it doesn't cut it. Not at all. For one thing, who put the humans in charge? they woke up one day and decided they were God and should decide for millions of other beings? That's a god complex right there.
This story was pretty good which is better than ugly good lol I thought it was a bit anticlimactic because I was expecting some sort of advancement at the end but yeah, not bad at all. Glad I stumbled onto your channel today and almost instantly subscribed.
This is what would happen if the Imperium won in WarHammer, humans aren’t kind by any means but this is better than most other factions in 40k. Humanity may be evil here but no less evil than the other races, the urge of conquer and dominate is as a part of life as breathing and not matter the cost life must prevail I guess.
Anyone ever play a DS RPG/RTS/Visual Novel/Starship Command/Tetris(Yes all those apply to the same game) game called Infinite Space? This reminds me of how the Lugovalos Empire arrives in the Small Magellic Cloud. Mind, they did turn out to be KINDA right, given they were fighting back against the guys who created our universe and were about to start harvesting it...but they were also jerks, and killed a WHOLE lot of people to achieve their ends...and without the assistance of the MC and his allied nations their whole empire would have been pointless.
After the rebuild they probably want to find their heroes and help them in the goal or get to know of the heroes where the coming from and what their origin.
From what I interpret the humans said the ends justify the means. It is either this slavery or a fate worse than death for all of you. At least we are not hypocrites and will let you be free when your service is no longer required.
BRAVO... part II? quest to find the noble humans... and the arms race that ensues from emerging factions seeking to capitalize on the technology that Humanity left behind..
You would think a higher Kardashev species would intervene. In this scenario humans would be at least a level 2.5 or 3. Got to be some 4's or 5's around and I assume this is the Andromeda galaxy but to be able to travel 2.3 million light years in less than a lifetime is some serious technology. You would hope species this advanced would more or less care less about lesser Kardashev species which I think is why we have not been contacted or bothered openly.
Galaxy Plan:
phase 1 - factorio
phase 2 - 40k
phase 3 - move on and repeat
True tho I would think
Phase 3: people can now save themselves. Move on and repeat.
Phase 1 motto - The factory must grow.
That hit hard. "Now you are truly free. Even from us"
That’s the most beautiful line I ever heard/read 🥹
"We come in peace. Do not fuck with us."
"Don't touch our boats."
Or in total war terms "accept or we will attack" "please don't attack"
"the greater good" Words that describe evil manifest usually.
But most certainly not always.
What is that Tau empire in warhammer 40k
Those communist almost aliens.
@@blockmg9425The Weaboo Blueberry Space Communists (tm).
The phrase “The Greater Good”, by its nature, implies an accompanying lesser evil. That, and the local good is less uncertain than the global or distant one.
The Dream of Nimrod, the politics of Plato and the banner of National Zocialists and International communists. However, there's a time and season for every purpose under heaven,band war is that time
I was strangely happy at finding a story in which humans were the bad guys but it was just tough love.
Right? They act the bad guy to save everyone and then they leave everything with the people who suffered to make it as well as the schematics and tech. It sucks, it hurts, and it saves them all. I think it’s a curious story of what happens when you do or don’t tell people how you’re helping them help themselves.
I can't agree. This was less tough love, and more brutal tyrants using other people as tools and weapons, while gaslighting their victims.
It kinda reminds me of God Emperor Of Dune.
Sounds like Asian parents
@@Sanderford did you even make it to the end? Where they left everything behind for the others. please open your mind
Man Hot Fuzz really messed me up for life, I can't hear the phrase "the greater good" anymore without a part in back of my brain repeating it in a monotone voice. XD
as long as there aren't any swans involved
Yerp
@@andreww2098 A great big bushy beard!
Same. Every damn time.
It was a warning
Quark: ...so now, Gaila owns his own moon, and I'm staring into the abyss. And the worst part of it is, my only hope for salvation is the Federation!
Garak: I know precisely how you feel!
Quark: I want you to try something for me. Take a sip of this...
Garak: What is it?
Quark: A Human drink, it's called root beer
Garak: uhh..I don't know
Quark: C'mon, aren't you just a little bit curious? What do you think?
Garak: ...ugh, it's vile!
Quark: I know! It's so bubbly, and cloy, and happy!
Garak: Just like the Federation!
Quark: But you know what's really frightening? If you drink enough of it, you begin to like it!
Garak: It's insidious!
Quark: Just like the Federation!
Garak: Do you think they'll be able to save us?
Quark: I hope so!
And all it cost was 1 romulan senator, 1 criminal, and a Starfleet commanders self respect
Quark : Let me tell you something about Humans, Nephew. They're a wonderful, friendly people, as long as their bellies are full and their holosuites are working. But take away their creature comforts, deprive them of food, sleep, sonic showers, put their lives in jeopardy over an extended period of time and those same friendly, intelligent, wonderful people... will become as nasty and as violent as the most bloodthirsty Klingon.
@@nathanberrigan9839
That was an understatement on Quark's behalf. Klingons are still bound by a code of honor, one that ties in with their anomalously very real religion (seriously, the Klingon Afterlife is a place you can actually visit if you know where to go to do so). Humans have no such bindings. As such, a sufficiently pissed off human is less like the most bloodthirsty Klingon and more like a combination of the most bloodthirsty Klingon, the most ruthless Cardassian, the most devious Romulan and the most unyielding and self-sacrificial Jem'Hadar.
I wish I could watch it for the first time again
You are being liberated. Please do not resist.
We shall bring peace by. By force !!
To be fair, every human was ALSO a nameless cog in the same machinery. We are as bad, or worse, to ourselves, than to anyone else.
This has a warhammer feel about it, the pursers aka Tyranids and the humans and the greater good Tau. Trying to save the galaxy. But the humans in warhammer would be more likely to conquer the galaxy than save it. Thanks for a cool story. 👏👏
WH40K humans would eradicate all organic life they could find just to not give any more biomass to the Tyranids.
In fairness, they did both
Also got some Golden Path vibes from Dune
Well, all of the fundamentalist Imperium forces would have stayed and fought to the last man. Hence why only the less xenophobic "heretics" survived alongside a handful of the Tau.
Tyranid invasion? The Emperor protects!!
“Yes.. he does!”
Greater Good??! *HERESY!*
I swear these books are just someone playing a Stellaris Playthrough and then writing down the lore.
Warhammer 42K. The Imperium survivors apparently brought the Tau along for the ride.
and the nids too... oops
@@mikeloeven well, yeah. They ate everything else in the galaxy and a few human ark ships are all that made it out.
Except for the orks. It seems to me that fighting the nids would be too much like fighting animals: they just don't get that look in their eyes before they get crumped.
In my head canon the rest of the orks managed to tear their way into the warp and meet up with Tuska and now Khorne is questioning his life choices.
This feels like re-imagining WH40K.
A world ship the size of a planet parked orbiting another planet? Copernicus wept.
Theoretically, if the ship was lightweight, it would orbit the planet without any deflection.
@@anonygentalso could be advanced enough to use some gravitational devices to counter the deflection. Would need it for moving such large ships at any acceleration without tearing them apart
You dont experience G force in a vacuum?
@@johnj3027 Lol sure. Because surrounding gas (or lack thereoff) has anything to do with the inertia of your own mass.
Maybe pay more attention at school, next time?
@memyshelfandeye318 That reply literally made no sense. Also, maybe work on your social skills a bit more?
Congratulations, you are being rescued. Please do not resist.
Ok pretty DARK but different approach from what I’ve grown accustomed to on here lol
I hate how some authors don't know the meaning of "Decimation" despite overusing it.
Maybe only 1 author in 10 uses it correctly.... 😛
@@littleblackcat2273 I see what you did there... I'll admit, it took me a second.😁
does the context make it sound like it means the Roman punishment, or is it more likely used as a simile for annihilation?
It annoys me that people don’t understand that the definition of words evolve through use and that the old roman meaning is not the main definition nowadays.
@@feanedhell I understand what you're trying to say, but this is not the case here. This misuse by the author and many is due to ignorance, not an evolution of the word. Just because many are wrong, does not change the answer.
The Greater Good, Words that encompass some of the greatest evils ever to be carried out by human beings.
Wow, that was an incredible story. Thanks❤
The word Human "is" synonymous with death and destruction.
I imagine that as a species, humanity has condemned themselves to be traveling bringers of the greater good, viewing their acts upon entire galaxies (no matter how noble or important) to vile and reprehensible to ever even think of allowing themselves the satisfaction of truly uniting with any of the possibly dozens to hundreds of galaxies they've saved before, designating themseves to forever travel with the soul purpose of being the dark protectors of the universe until a day where the pursuers no longer pose a threat or they've driven themselves to extinction for their efforts, and if by the slim chance they ever due truly win, I doubt they as a species will return to any galaxy except their own, the one they couldn't save that drove them to such lengths, so that they could and their atrocities could be lost to time and the universe can forget the scars it laid witness to.
It would be cool to have illustrated storyboards to go along... But the imagination serves well thi good story telling, 👍
For WRickwrites next story "after the war" I did add scenes, so let me know what you think:
ruclips.net/video/2IVSColCRF4/видео.html
Im listening to this passively. There a pause right after the human transmission says "we will set you truly free" during that pause an ad played that just had music as a sound track. I thought the music was part of the story lol.
You have more faith in humanity than i do.
We must united and stand against the evil of wakanda
Anti human anti life sentiment is a disease.
My god,they beat the tyranids
The message "we are sorry" seems weak for a century of forced servitude. However considering that for the humans in this story have had to raise each new generation with the ideas similar to "we can never be heros, we can never be good, we must be what we need to be. For the greater good." Essentially perpetually destroying themselves for the chance that one day good will prevail. Nameless and faceless martyrs. Soldiers cast from warriors. I'd say they deserve to be forgiven.
That's us, making friends wherever we go...
This reads like the Tau Empire vs the Tyranids in Warhammer 40k, down to their favorite phrase "for the greater good."
Like we say, where I work. 'It's all about the numbers!'
Just so the author knows, decimation is too reduce in number by 1/10th
I couldn't suspend my disbelief. A group of humans that doesn't constantly bicker and infight constantly, is not human at all.
Humanity has yet to face an existential threat that NONE will survive in a single lifetime.
When you can't say the 'why' things are being done as they are being done, because it would cause fear and panic, what can they expect to be thought as?
You know time is short, so it's imperative to push everyone hard, even to the point of death. What can they expect to be thought as?
But the day arrives as you said, those you prepared for are here. Now, what are they thought as?
Sometimes, knowing too much is not good, just as knowing too little is not good. A balance must be struck between the two so objectives can be achieved. Would the other species believed the humans if they had told the whole truth? Instead of preparing and letting the galaxy see the threat for themselves when it arrived? Sometimes, the only way to convince someone of the truth is for them to see it for themselves.
It seemed accurate until humans were helping. Unfortunately, that is not us.
This story is actually really good I would like a carry on where did we go? Who will be fighting how long have you been fighting then what is the end goal? I’m smashing the like button
That was really good!
Well, that was heartening, eh.
Yeah... I think in this case, "we are sorry" and "for the greater good" don't really cut it.
Yeah, but at least there is someone left alive to hate them. :(
Remember they have done this many times, and when they were upfront they lost, as the population din't believe them or went into a panic. This time they had to choose, do they all die again or do you do what you have to so some maybe saved.
I agree it doesn't cut it. Not at all. For one thing, who put the humans in charge? they woke up one day and decided they were God and should decide for millions of other beings? That's a god complex right there.
So if you murder 10 children to save 20 children, that's ok? Not to my way of thinking. @@waynecampeau4566
What a story!
Sounds as those who rule over us entered the galaxy.
This was so good, that I had to listen to it again.
Plot twist: ther Pursuers themselves were running away from something even scarier than themselves.
These stories help me appreciate my species more
greater good? sounds like heresy to me chief
I have a feeling that humans originally created the pursuers, who then got out of control. XD
The Greater Good?
NO!
These are not humans!
These are Tau sleepers.
Yeah, this one is a paraphrasing of the whole argument in the last 4 books of the Dune saga.
Good story. I wish it would have been longer.
very nice twist
See "Hour of the Horde" by Gordon R. Dickson. A neat, fun, 50's Sci-fi read that follows in the same vein of this story.
Well, the author plays 40K...
This story was pretty good which is better than ugly good lol I thought it was a bit anticlimactic because I was expecting some sort of advancement at the end but yeah, not bad at all.
Glad I stumbled onto your channel today and almost instantly subscribed.
This is just the plot to Fable 3
Good story! Thanks
Its like a nicer version of Warhammer 40K
This made me want a TTRPG of the setting
"Welcome to Costco InterGalactic, the Humans love you. Welcome to Costco InterGalatic, the Humans love you...."
This is what would happen if the Imperium won in WarHammer, humans aren’t kind by any means but this is better than most other factions in 40k. Humanity may be evil here but no less evil than the other races, the urge of conquer and dominate is as a part of life as breathing and not matter the cost life must prevail I guess.
Pax Romana.
Or,
The Imperium of Man.
Pax imperium
Anyone ever play a DS RPG/RTS/Visual Novel/Starship Command/Tetris(Yes all those apply to the same game) game called Infinite Space? This reminds me of how the Lugovalos Empire arrives in the Small Magellic Cloud. Mind, they did turn out to be KINDA right, given they were fighting back against the guys who created our universe and were about to start harvesting it...but they were also jerks, and killed a WHOLE lot of people to achieve their ends...and without the assistance of the MC and his allied nations their whole empire would have been pointless.
Trust us…maybe.
This was great ..
wow that was awesome
I ran out of zombie stories this one so far pretty good for not being zombies lol
Wow, great story
The Government's saying became mankinds montra: "We are the government, we are here to help you! Now, DIG!
When “greater good” means greater good, not the twisted fairytale to which it often refers.
“Joyce has a quick announcement before we begin …”
It looks like this galaxy needs some... FREEDOM!!!
great story.
Straight to comments:
What happened when the humans came?
"Errybody got some aktrite"
After the rebuild they probably want to find their heroes and help them in the goal or get to know of the heroes where the coming from and what their origin.
Great story
Can travel between galaxies....but no AI to do manual labor.......
a yes spreading freedom throughout the galaxy 😆😆👌👌
I want a full book of this
Very good, but please finish Terran Contact please
From what I interpret the humans said the ends justify the means. It is either this slavery or a fate worse than death for all of you. At least we are not hypocrites and will let you be free when your service is no longer required.
What happens when the Tyranids win in the milky way and the humans flee, except there, the humans really are awful.
answer: They had a moment of perfect clarity and said "What the hell were we thinking."
These "Pursuers" sound like The Flood to me...
Omg i like this.
reminds me of how i play my stellaris games.
What happened when the humans came...
Goo. Goo everywhere!
Wait... Are these tau-aligned humans? "The greater good", indeed...
"People of the Commonwealth. We are, the Brotherhood of Steel".
"The greater good" It's the Tau all over again.
We introduced the galaxy to. A 9-5
👍👍
fight against wakanda, the evil and the ignorance of wakada. the greater good calls
Ahh yes socialism in space! Yay!
BRAVO... part II? quest to find the noble humans... and the arms race that ensues from emerging factions seeking to capitalize on the technology that Humanity left behind..
Or maybe the humans finally are defeated by the enemy their trying to defeat and this galaxies inhabitants turn around and help the humans in return
Xenophile Egalitarian and Militaristic build combo run be right
“The greater good” horrible words
You would think a higher Kardashev species would intervene. In this scenario humans would be at least a level 2.5 or 3. Got to be some 4's or 5's around and I assume this is the Andromeda galaxy but to be able to travel 2.3 million light years in less than a lifetime is some serious technology. You would hope species this advanced would more or less care less about lesser Kardashev species which I think is why we have not been contacted or bothered openly.
Ok... are these humans or a transcendent but displaced T'au Empire running from Tyranids?
I guess if you are named "The Greater Good", you turn into tau wannabes.
Palpatine would be impressed
No reason for the flesh monsters to be a secret