I would rather see them make a female Foster type adaptor so that I could carry a couple of these cartridges as an emergency backup air source for my usual guns on longer hikes!
Refillable tanks would defeat the purpose of this new system which is not designed for all day shooting. When I'm in the deep woods I don't want a large tank or compressor. Hand pumping days are over. One pellet one meal. That's what the Komplete is designed for.
@@chaplainsoffice6907 There would be all kinds of problems, the cartridges would need to be redesigned and probably have to made of a different material for multiple refills, you would need filling accessories and adaptors, buy a compressor or find a place to refill, the whole value proposition gets turned upside down. it does defeat the purpose. However, if I had an adaptor for a one time use for emergency refills of my other rifles, that would be interesting. Over the last 40 years of airgun hunting, I've inconveniently run out of air a few times.
Woke up at 2:30 AM and was unable to sleep. So after starting a citronella candle and grabbing a few Tums... I was delighted to see this new video up. 👍😁 What better time to watch something soothing to help me maybe get back to sleep. Interesting feature with the cartridges. As my grandpa would say about the accuracy, it's "Dead nuts." Kinda like hearing you say "One for the pot." You know it's a good gun when we hear that. I didn't hear it on the video, but I'm imagining you said it at some point. 😂 Well... gonna try to go back to sleep. Have a great day, Jim. Thanks for the upload!
This is an interesting concept that could go far.. I have also seen that shooter's are experimenting on trying to make refillable tank adapters for this rifle and I think this will actually come to be.. THANKS.. P.S this rifle does have lots of potential for hunting and I think even target shooting...
The gun has a special niche it fills for sure. For someone like me who has many pcp's and fill sources it doesn't appeal at all. Someone who will use it occasionally like a few times a year i could see it.
Yes, that is where it gets interesting. The other thing is start up cost are low, and even if you spend more over a long period, those costs are also spread out.
If it was just a rabbit and squirrel gun, it could take a few years for it to be more expensive than a low end pcp and portable compressor. On the other hand, if you shoot 200-300 pellets a week, it would be a more expensive option in a month! Different horses for different courses
Hi mate! People have also to keep on practice shooting than only hunt ten times a year. Practice to stay used to the gun and to keep up the shooting skills. There is nothing more simple, reliable and efficient than a well made quality break barrel or side/under lever air rifle. Yes the Umarex is more easy to load but it's also take just a second to cock the barrel and a springer or gasram air rifle. Springers have no leaking air issues with O-rings and seals, empty cartridges when you need the rifle and have less moving parts that can cause problems. The idea from Umarex is good but the cartridge is to expensive. I'm still waiting for that airgun that can be used with cheap re-filled Soda Stream Co2 bottles....Compressed gas don't have to be expensive.....Umarex may sell the gun for a fair price but the long term big profit is in the cartridge that makes shooting that rifle no fun. With thousands and thousands of products the big money is made by the refill's and and cartridges, even a good PCP will be cheaper at the end and you can have at least all day fun. Even more important is to stay trained to control the rifle, what is a "MUST" for every hunter shooting at living quarry. Only the off hand shooting you show in your video need skills and training.... In my opinion the Umarex is just a smart marketing idea to be a long term money maker. And where to get the cartridges when Umarex discontinue that model because smart people don't buy them, make the cartridge even more expensive..., or if Umarex some day won't exist anymore? Crazy world nowadays and to be undependable is the way to go. Nice bunnies for the pot mate...👍 Cheers....
I think this product has a specific user profile, and cost per use is a cornerstone. Another thing to consider is distribution, if these turn up at Cabella's, bass Pro, Scheels .... not to mention Walmart, they will get traction. For me (with about 70) PCPs in my collection, several compressors, and even more tanks the only real use case for this gun is to sit in my kayak to use a couple times a year for a riverside squirrel hunt.
Ah, in the UK we played this game, Brocock, they made a range of bolt action rifles and revolvers and a home manifold to charge the cartridges with....most of them ended up in armed robberies and murders as people just had them bored out for catridges....so they got taken off of the market without a firearms certificate...which effectively killed the product
Why not refillable easy to swap high pressure tanks??, If on a longer hunting trip could carry one in the back pack. AEA Defender/Harpoon cartridges very interesting, specially if you can shoot shot, arrows and bullets, but it's only double shot.
Not a bad approach, but it's a different use case. There are of course several guns with removable tanks AEA, Hatsan, BRK, FX and many others. However, you have the same issue of needing to get them refilled, they all tend to be more expensive (especially if you start buying extra tanks) and start-up costs much higher, and you still either need a place to fill the removable tank or need to buy a compressor. Again, the Komplete addresses the need of somebody that will not be doing much shooting and wants an inexpensive (at lower shooting volumes), simple, and accessible solution for pest control. It seems that not many people discussing alternatives to this gun are looking at the targeted users and use case.
Are you kidding me Jim, $12 per cartridge? That’s the most expensive air I never bought lol. Now if they made the gun in a way that accepts both, a regular bottle and the cartridge, I can see that. Just the cartridge, not worth it. I hope it doesn’t spring a leak lol.
@@226eagleeye I tried to explain this in the video, the economic model for this product is (I believe) two fold. First is the amount of shooting that will be done, and I can tell you a lot of springers sold shoot less than 500 shots before they are stored and forgotten. There is a very specific demographic that is the targeted user. You, me, and most of the people that come to my channel are probably not that demographic. We are also not the major segment of the airgun market. The second element is the low start up cost. Additionally the gun is easier to shoot accurately than a springer, does not require filling gear and is simpler to use than a standard pcp for the uninitiated. When an upstream marketing (product development) team does requirements engineering, an early step is market segmentation and identification of (targeted) customer requirements. If you look at this in context, I think the potential value proposition becomes clearer.
@ Jim thank you for the explanation and now that I think about it I see exactly what you mean. I reacted fast before thinking that not everybody goes through a tin of pellets every two days like I do lol. Thank you for your excellent,honest reviews.
@@226eagleeye The thing with a hobby is that it is very personal, and to evaluate a gun based on how it fits your individual needs. That is a completely normal and logical way to look at a product. Because of the airgun related content I generate, I try to separate myself from the enthusiast in me and think about how this product would suit (who I think) the intended user is. It's just a matter of perspective. Thanks for following the channel, I do appreciate it!
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They need to include a refillable tank for when they stop making the disposables (which I'm pretty sure they will).
I would rather see them make a female Foster type adaptor so that I could carry a couple of these cartridges as an emergency backup air source for my usual guns on longer hikes!
Refillable tanks would defeat the purpose of this new system which is not designed for all day shooting.
When I'm in the deep woods I don't want a large tank or compressor.
Hand pumping days are over.
One pellet one meal.
That's what the Komplete is designed for.
@@chaplainsoffice6907 There would be all kinds of problems, the cartridges would need to be redesigned and probably have to made of a different material for multiple refills, you would need filling accessories and adaptors, buy a compressor or find a place to refill, the whole value proposition gets turned upside down. it does defeat the purpose.
However, if I had an adaptor for a one time use for emergency refills of my other rifles, that would be interesting. Over the last 40 years of airgun hunting, I've inconveniently run out of air a few times.
Woke up at 2:30 AM and was unable to sleep. So after starting a citronella candle and grabbing a few Tums... I was delighted to see this new video up. 👍😁 What better time to watch something soothing to help me maybe get back to sleep. Interesting feature with the cartridges. As my grandpa would say about the accuracy, it's "Dead nuts." Kinda like hearing you say "One for the pot." You know it's a good gun when we hear that. I didn't hear it on the video, but I'm imagining you said it at some point. 😂
Well... gonna try to go back to sleep. Have a great day, Jim. Thanks for the upload!
Spectacular comment! 😃
This is an interesting concept that could go far.. I have also seen that shooter's are experimenting on trying to make refillable tank adapters for this rifle and I think this will actually come to be.. THANKS.. P.S this rifle does have lots of potential for hunting and I think even target shooting...
Professional as always. Nice shots on those critters. Thank you, Jim! 🙂
Some great thoughts to consider. Thanks for sharing.
Thanks!
The gun has a special niche it fills for sure. For someone like me who has many pcp's and fill sources it doesn't appeal at all. Someone who will use it occasionally like a few times a year i could see it.
Looks nice can it be use in cold weather
Haven't used it in cold weather, but should not have any problems, compressed air is not very temperature sensitive as CO2 is.
Jim if you buy a tin of pellets (500) and ten cartridges of hydrogen that’s 450 shots ! That’s a lot of hunting .
Yes, that is where it gets interesting. The other thing is start up cost are low, and even if you spend more over a long period, those costs are also spread out.
Not a bad option for a
casual shooter looking for pcp accuracy like myself, for me here in canada an avenger with a compressor is close to a grand
If it was just a rabbit and squirrel gun, it could take a few years for it to be more expensive than a low end pcp and portable compressor. On the other hand, if you shoot 200-300 pellets a week, it would be a more expensive option in a month! Different horses for different courses
...nice...as usual...😀
Thanks!
Hi mate! People have also to keep on practice shooting than only hunt ten times a year. Practice to stay used to the gun and to keep up the shooting skills. There is nothing more simple, reliable and efficient than a well made quality break barrel or side/under lever air rifle. Yes the Umarex is more easy to load but it's also take just a second to cock the barrel and a springer or gasram air rifle. Springers have no leaking air issues with O-rings and seals, empty cartridges when you need the rifle and have less moving parts that can cause problems. The idea from Umarex is good but the cartridge is to expensive. I'm still waiting for that airgun that can be used with cheap re-filled Soda Stream Co2 bottles....Compressed gas don't have to be expensive.....Umarex may sell the gun for a fair price but the long term big profit is in the cartridge that makes shooting that rifle no fun. With thousands and thousands of products the big money is made by the refill's and and cartridges, even a good PCP will be cheaper at the end and you can have at least all day fun.
Even more important is to stay trained to control the rifle, what is a "MUST" for every hunter shooting at living quarry. Only the off hand shooting you show in your video need skills and training.... In my opinion the Umarex is just a smart marketing idea to be a long term money maker. And where to get the cartridges when Umarex discontinue that model because smart people don't buy them, make the cartridge even more expensive..., or if Umarex some day won't exist anymore? Crazy world nowadays and to be undependable is the way to go.
Nice bunnies for the pot mate...👍 Cheers....
Great video Jim. Interesting concept I hadn't heard of. I couldn't read the tin. What were the pellets?
Thanks for posting!
JSB's 15.9 grains .
ITS GONNA COST 150$ IN GAS FOR EVERY 500 PELL's
NO THANK YOU. NOT IN THIS ECONOMY. OR ANY ECONOMY
STILL LOVE THE HUNTING FOOTAGE
You can get hand pumps for about 40 dollars. It doesn’t make sense. Maybe an older shooter who does not shoot a lot and can’t hand pump.
I think this product has a specific user profile, and cost per use is a cornerstone. Another thing to consider is distribution, if these turn up at Cabella's, bass Pro, Scheels .... not to mention Walmart, they will get traction. For me (with about 70) PCPs in my collection, several compressors, and even more tanks the only real use case for this gun is to sit in my kayak to use a couple times a year for a riverside squirrel hunt.
Hmmm. That would help me control squirels around the prolerty...and chipmonks!!!.
Ah, in the UK we played this game, Brocock, they made a range of bolt action rifles and revolvers and a home manifold to charge the cartridges with....most of them ended up in armed robberies and murders as people just had them bored out for catridges....so they got taken off of the market without a firearms certificate...which effectively killed the product
Why not refillable easy to swap high pressure tanks??, If on a longer hunting trip could carry one in the back pack. AEA Defender/Harpoon cartridges very interesting, specially if you can shoot shot, arrows and bullets, but it's only double shot.
Not a bad approach, but it's a different use case. There are of course several guns with removable tanks AEA, Hatsan, BRK, FX and many others. However, you have the same issue of needing to get them refilled, they all tend to be more expensive (especially if you start buying extra tanks) and start-up costs much higher, and you still either need a place to fill the removable tank or need to buy a compressor. Again, the Komplete addresses the need of somebody that will not be doing much shooting and wants an inexpensive (at lower shooting volumes), simple, and accessible solution for pest control. It seems that not many people discussing alternatives to this gun are looking at the targeted users and use case.
Are you kidding me Jim, $12 per cartridge? That’s the most expensive air I never bought lol. Now if they made the gun in a way that accepts both, a regular bottle and the cartridge, I can see that. Just the cartridge, not worth it. I hope it doesn’t spring a leak lol.
@@226eagleeye I tried to explain this in the video, the economic model for this product is (I believe) two fold. First is the amount of shooting that will be done, and I can tell you a lot of springers sold shoot less than 500 shots before they are stored and forgotten. There is a very specific demographic that is the targeted user. You, me, and most of the people that come to my channel are probably not that demographic. We are also not the major segment of the airgun market. The second element is the low start up cost. Additionally the gun is easier to shoot accurately than a springer, does not require filling gear and is simpler to use than a standard pcp for the uninitiated. When an upstream marketing (product development) team does requirements engineering, an early step is market segmentation and identification of (targeted) customer requirements. If you look at this in context, I think the potential value proposition becomes clearer.
@ Jim thank you for the explanation and now that I think about it I see exactly what you mean. I reacted fast before thinking that not everybody goes through a tin of pellets every two days like I do lol. Thank you for your excellent,honest reviews.
@@226eagleeye The thing with a hobby is that it is very personal, and to evaluate a gun based on how it fits your individual needs. That is a completely normal and logical way to look at a product. Because of the airgun related content I generate, I try to separate myself from the enthusiast in me and think about how this product would suit (who I think) the intended user is. It's just a matter of perspective. Thanks for following the channel, I do appreciate it!
@ I never miss a video from you. Always good information, plus entertainment in your hunts.
looks a remodelled hammerli 850.
A flop😅
Interested about the comment, do you have sales numbers?