Also if you want to change those hood stopper bushings, you first need to remove the engine, transmission and left rear brake light to get access on it.
It’s no different on a Ford now. Had three technicians out to reset an adblue light, on a 21 Ranger. none of them could access it even with Ford software. All locked out. Has to go to the stealers.
@@ethanmoore9306 Funny reason too, instead of casting 2 different heads for each side because heads are designed for intake and exhaust sides they used the same head for both sides and spun it around and attached another chain and sprocket in the rear. Cheap as hell assembly wise definitely saved them some cash.
I don't understand your point, if your listing factory specs your correct. However if you are talking about actual potential the American V8 is way better, it's much simpler and easier to mod. Also way more affordable, way more reliable. I've worked on both and built both so I am saying this from not just my opinion but also my experience with building engines.
@@popNdawg Umm nope? American V8s got simplicity I'll give em that. Simplicity don't mean quality though. It's funny how the country that landed people on the moon still mostly use engines with pushrods that take 3-5 business days to rev up and have hp per litre similar to a ww1 plane
As a plumber you should worry less about about plumbers and more about the inspectors that let that shit fly. If we had better inspectors the good guys would have more work and good people have quality homes. Most inspectors have never done blue collar work so they judge without looking at circumstance
@@quadliftkinda be hard to be a quality plumber in Hawaii when all the water is corrosive due to older pipes or using pumps to get clean clean water are outdated. Possibly nuclear stuff on the islands. So we have new pipes that are not solid, called PEX they can expand and also are hypo allergenic in a pressurized setting
"Mr. Brown can go pop pop pop pop" i would say the Audi makes similar noises but then again, one of these Audis starting on it's own is already a miracle.
If you buy a used vehicle with a T-belt, assume it's never been done and change it right away. Better yet, avoid belts if you can, unless you do your own work.
I have done 4 of those Audi timing chains. Honestly, life is way too short to deal with this stuff. Never again. It's a great representation of how the German mind works.
@@kingofcars3921 Who said it was hard? Apprentices usually do it because its extremely time consuming for nothing. Id rather be making money than play around.
@@Dexter_Solidyou’re so full of shit lmao. “Time consuming for nothing” like you don’t get paid for the time you spend doing it. Also, no sensible person would let an apprentice get anywhere near that thing.
@DeeDee-pw9pm yeah unfortunately, I had ford explorer and the water pump went out, found out it was timing chain driven. Don't know who's bright idea it was to put a coolant cooled component powered directly by a oil cooled component buy thankfully the engine was saved but still
@@TheTyrial86good torgue in all rpm can be only when camshaft is regulated, wich is not made when it isin block 😂 Audi v8 4.0L 700hp / 900NM easy on factory engine, without modifying engine and turbos 😂😂😂 And still comfort ride highway cruising 12L/ 100km 😂
I recently saw a video that stated that Japanese cars are designed to last even if you're lazy on maintenance. European cars are designed to function well only if you are very careful on maintenance. I think American cars are somewhere in between.
It's true about the Japanese & German Cars. However American made cars may just be worse if it was a "Friday" car. Older=better either way. (Older being pre 2000)
It's real and it's not that bad. Just like anything, there is a learning curve but it is no more difficult to time than an LS or ford mod motor chain drive. It just looks complicated and idiots freak out rather than using a few neurons and understanding the assembly.
I still remember going to Kmart to buy oil, oil filter, air filter, fuel filter, spark plugs, points, and leeds. Going home, spend a coupla hours replacing the parts and changing the oil. With very little mechanical knowledge and it'd be right as rain!! NOW you need a masters degree in mechanical engineering, computer programming, and special tools just to open the bonnet.....MADNESS!!
it's still the same thing though, it's just that if you buy a german car they make your life very hard to do it, hence do not buy a german car, worst offender when it comes to planned obsolescence.
Lol... your irrational statement doesnt apply at all.. it takes you fucking retards 30 days to replace any drivetrain component... it takes us 15 mins... We are not the same because you think hp per liter equates to speed... it does not. You pussy boys couldnt build HYPERCAR LMP1 and LMP2 cars that even got CLOSE to an American V8 Stock Car... you mustve forgot when Garage56 came to LeMans and embarrased the fuck out of your whole existence
And don’t forget….that mess of timing chains and brittle, oil soaked, plastic guides are on the BACK of the Audi S4 V8, which means to do this job the engine is coming out.
that was prior to 2013 and some 2012s, they changed the polymer to a much harder one and there aren't any problems after. Sorta like how the mid 2000s had the gernades er turbos that exploded lol. Honestly I'd take that over everything breaking in my cavalier lol even the lights were held in with mechanics wire lol
That timing hardware outlasts the engine in most cases. If one of these ever has timing issues, I'll never open up the motor, cuz I bet my left nut there are more problems waiting elsewhere. I don't know about the states, but over here I can get that motor for cheaper than I would charge for a valve job. And they indeed are reliable, just not worth working on.
Horse power is for flexing at car meets, torque is what truly matters. Also what is the horsepower at the wheels, the engine rated horse power sees a decrease by about 20%-45% as it is transferred through the transmission and drivetrain to become the power put between the wheels and the road.
@@fab9207yeah but the point being you can make the same hp with a simpler design and it’s been proven time and time again when every German or Japanese V8 gets dusted by a pushrod LS 🤣 like really get your head out of your ass buddy Chevy’s we’re making 425 at the crank in the 60s, the 70s emissions standards just made it necessary for them to be de-tuned. Don’t believe me look, I hate everyone spreading misinformation “oh but it only makes 180 horsepo-“ yeah well come run my built 496 Malibu SS then with any German car on a 1/4 track, and watch my taillights
The LS is an excellent design. It takes the pushrod V8 about as far as it can be taken, efficiency wise. The heads flow incredibly well. The reality is in normal driving the LS does just as well MPG as its far more complex counterparts. Additionally it is much more compact, even with larger displacements, than the competition. Its also a far simpler design. I have MB and GM V8s. The GM is much easier to live with.
Until a pushrod goes, then your block is screwed. Never had any American car last, but when I maintained my German cars, they never seem to have any problems besides fluid consumption as they age.
Your a nice lier, you can bend the heck out of a pushrod and just have a missfire event. usually theres no other damage. Just replace the pushrod. @Neckername1
Audi never breaks, american cars break all the time and are poorly built in every part. And they don't last at all. Here in Europe the only american cars being sold are Fords, as an alternative to FIAT, because they cost about the same and they last about the same. Those who can, buy something else.
What Americans don’t tell you is that 600HP is over the lifetime of the engine. That’s why you can get a 427cu pushing 200HP. It’s used up the other 400 already.
@@clonecommandermike332 Even a v8 from pre 1972 in 1970 a 7.2L or 383 stock would make 335 hp. Also carroll shelby made a V8 in 1966 that made 800 plus HP granted it was a 427cid with two superchargers on it so yeah.
I started working at a bmw/mini shop and that's when i learned that Americans put the intake up top between the heads and the exhaust exits the sides of the block, while the Germans have not one but TWO turbos up there between the heads and the intake is going in the sides of the block. Blew my fucking mind.
there isn't really a standard so doubt youre a tech otherwise you'd know it varies not by nation but by type of engine and whether its forced air. Take my German for example its super charged so intake top/exhaust bottom which is exactly like every other 6 plus cyl supercharged engine (at market not custom)
Don’t let this distract you from the fact that Hector is going to be running three Honda civics with spoon engines, and on top of that, he just went into Harry’s and bought three t66 turbos with nos, and a motec exhaust system.
@@bimmermacYou're arguing a K vs a LS..... They both handle boost well but.... If you'd rather sound like a angry honey bee I guess that's your personal preference. It definitely depends on your platform. A LS swap is so basic it's hard to argue against. RWD platforms can just handle power better and logic tells us 8 is better than four.
@@Loveitdownunder My point, I'm not. If you knew the job, you wouldn't say such a thing. It's an incredibly complicated procedure. ... and overly engineered. It was my first one, so I might have taken a bit longer than you.
The American V8 is the one your grandpa will come running and sort it out in 15 minutes with elbow grease and a wrench. The European V8 is the one with a 29k parts bill alongside a 40k labor bill and a smiling sales guy.
audi trans am, audi imsa gto, audi quattro- pikes peak. ein deutsches auto, mit deutschem fahrer und deutschen mechanikern...schon ändern amerikaner die spielregeln...😂😂😂
Its called planned obsolescence, in 10 years not even the dealerships are going to touch it. My uncle had a BMW from the 80s that broke down, and he took it to the dealership several times over the years, they never got it right. My aunt ended up selling it after he passed, so sad he never got to enjoy it.
thats not unique to europeans, thats every dealership ever, hell toyota has been jerking us around about several things claiming the issue doesn't exist even with photos, videos happening while looking at it. FUCK THE STEALERSHIP is the lesson all must learn. Go find a specialist
Why keep it simple when you'd be able to service it at home in a morning when you can over complicate it and have a team of technicians service it over the course of a week? We live in false economy where everyone is trying to find new ways to get at your money 💰💰💰
@@davemckolanis4683 Do you think that's a problem I put it this way. My little tiny out of the six cylinder did a hundred and sixty five All the way down the interstate Three straight hours Can't understand that's a hundred and sixty plus miles an hour I basically turned a 5 hour trip into a 2 hour trip. Pretty quickly So d m three He had a radar detector we took off. We were going we stayed going and we never had a problem not one It was open road so why not Nacho, tell you where or when butthole is just saying about a decade ago. That trip was made All the way to the tail of the dragon on a very special day The day there would be no cops at all And then I went down the tail of the dragon Without any speed limit
literally a lambo engine with audi badge payed by vw. and we know vw is stealing everyones money and lying through their teeth when quoting price for parts and repairs.
new invention. an LS swap kit for literally every current production vehicle made. once it goes down and needs a major overhaul and you know it will soon. the kit may cost 10-12k but at least you know its gonna go for 200k miles pretty easy. lol!!
Please show us the charts 👀 depending on what series of ls you drop in you’re totally inaccurate and on top the that the la platform is one of the easiest to build performance on na and the block and bottom end can handle a shit Ton of boost 🤦
@@lastdescendentofnyx3656 Please show car model stock no tuning, with 4w drive, fast acceleration atleast 4-5sec to 60, handling, silent in 120-140mph that you can hear wisper, hi comfort, and good mpg, 😂😂😂
@@Renarificationwhat are you talking about. I have C5z setting in my garage and the fender line is a hair above my knee. The LS fits in anything and will make more power reliably and longer than any German junk. Its sad and I love German cars.
@@Renarification Prehistoric? Junk? Alright..do you one better, and use the smaller, new era 5.0 Coyote & 5.4 Predator V8 engines from Ford...OR the 1, 2 & 3 UZ V8 engines from Toyota. Those're all great options, reliable, and fit easier into small engine bays..able to make big power on minimal budgets. Modern Euro V8 engines simply cannot keep up, with those stupid 4.0 litre laws & emission guidelines. BMW's are fast for 50k miles, then blow up. AMG's are good to 75-100k before they blow up. Audi's MIGHT make it to 80k before their modern cars fall apart. Fact is, unless you dump 250 grand on a McLaren or other high end car...Europe doesn't have much to offer for that market anymore.
Yep. Also many Ford engines, including the naturally aspirated 5.0l V8 flexfuel version produces bit more horsepower with E85 fuel in the America. In the european countries this increased power doesnt exist in 2019 and newer Ford vehicles because emissions limits, are programmed for more fuel economy.
@@Tibbs_FarmExcellent example. Then there's cost. You can throw together a 1000 hp ls for around 6 or 7k. Try that with a European V8. You'd be lucky to get the block at that price.
They still do them ohc and not dohc? But yeah, you can open pretty much any new engine, and as the germans like to say "bekommen das kotzen" getting the need to puke.🤢
Just going to throw this out there, ford followed the Europeans lead on this one. But not just the mod v8.....4 liter explorer had several chains up front. And one cam timing chain in the bell housing... F off with that ahit
@@Bulldogm82unfortunate man. Shame they are so expensive to fix, because otherwise they weren't that bad. The earlier generation of these engines was extremely durable, and they ruined it.
You're correct, but not for the reasons you think; typewriters function always, whereas macbooks are proprietary, unreliable and expensive trash that are primarily purchased by useless eaters as a status symbol.
@@tirdkat6104 true. Being faster, smoother and more efficient makes it better. When's the last time any american brand's been in the top 10 relibility polls? Caddys, Lincolns, et all, live at the bottom lol
the average Lamborghini tech makes about 54k a year in the US (top being 80k) while average techs dont make salary and get about 26 per hour so i dunno sounds like a good deal to me (theyre roughly the same except at the top end)
@@richmondvand147 Well that's certainly an interesting point of view. Because last time I worked at a dealership (Hyundai), the master tech was making well over 96k a year at least, assuming he was getting paid 26 p/h which I doubt because that's what I was making as a level 1 tech. Sooo...I don't see what your point is to be honest. My original comment still holds true.
@@tirdkat6104 Its opposite, I rarely see mustang, dodge etc with same mileage as audis in Poland +600k km and still going, same for Mercedes, bmw and so on.
@@wadimek116 Because those cars are rare in Europe to begin with. There's a reason why in the US European cars lose their value faster than any other cars.
Not even mentioning fuel efficiency. But shhh, let the Americans keep believing they are the world's best engineers even if Germans and Japanese have surpassed them tenfold half a century ago.
...So the dodge demon doesn't exist? 1025hp in a production vehicle. europe is so odd... they don't make anything that is better than anywhere else in the world yet they still think they have some superiority for some reason.
The Germans think if you add more smaller valves with endless camshafts, chains, guides, tensioners, idlers it somehow will make more power. The Americans are smart enough to know you can make more power with less moving parts and have a smaller power dense package. Its ok you can admit defeat.......again.
And that's because we can do the same job as the American V8 with a 3-litre six-cylinder... that makes more power and returns significantly better fuel economy.
@@richardharrold9736 Some V8s are better than some V6s. Just depends on the specific engine. They can easily achieve similar performance and fuel consumption.
@@richardharrold9736 What? An expensive performance engine used in sports cars is better than a chevy truck engine? That's wild. Honestly, a fairer comparison would be the GM 3.6-liter LF4 against the Audi.
@@chheese1z the Audi engine makes over a hundred horsepower more than that 3.6 engine (which itself is not a bad unit at all, and certainly better than the pushrod monstrosities it replaced). But it does come at a weight penalty - the Audi V8 is about 200-210kg, whereas the 3.6 is about 160kg. So in terms of physical bulk and mass, it makes more sense to compare it to the bigger pushrod engines...
That's a fuckin' Audi for ya...and yeah those little white PLASTIC guides are about as sturdy as you'd expect them to be... But I'm pretty sure that's their V10.
It's their V10, V8 and V6. They all use a similar setup on the back of the block. At least they use metal guides with plastic contact surfaces instead of all plastic ones these days.
The guides are nylon and *can* be more durable than metal if they've specified the right kind of nylon. It's no different from motorcycles that use nylon sprockets and chain guides. The fact you think nylon is inherently bad simply demonstrates you are no engineer.
@@iatsd Those guides are infamous for breaking on the B6 S4, where that chain setup made its debut, leading to a $10k service bill on a (nowadays) $10k car. There's a very good reason they got swapped out for metal-backed ones on later developments of that engine.
@@sp33d4l0l I'll say it again for the terminally stupid that are unable to read: there is nothing inherently wrong with using plastics or nylon parts in that king of function. Choosing the wrong one will lead to failure. Choosing the right one will lead to a part with better wear characteristics than most steels. Feel free to point out other instances where designers have specified the wrong type of material for the part function. It makes no difference to the point I'm making. I guess you just like seeing your words on-screen, eh?
@@iatsd In an engine where the timing chain tensioners are driven off oil pressure, so every cold start the chains rattle against the guides, making them entirely out of nylon is a pretty poor engineering decision. Abrasion characteristics mean jack when that's not what causes these to fail in the first place. I know you can do some amazing stuff with plastic parts, but this engine is not one of them.
wrong timeline to be talking crap lol. In the 60s if your american made vehicle made it to 60k it was considered a success. Mercedes had cars with over a million miles on them coming in that same timeline.
@@volvodude101 Don't listen to them. You'll love that build! It will out last any new engine into the next millennium! Put it on propane, and get a clean fuel tax credit! 106 octain, propane loves boost!
Thats the old audi. New 4.0 makes 600 hp and uses only 1 liter of fuel more, 12 liters per 100km. American cars also improves drastically and arw catching up to Europeans. However, in few years most cars sold will be electric and hybrid so it doesnt really matter anymore.
If you want to own a reliable car: buy japanese If you want to own a car with great performance: buy european If you want to own a heavy car: buy american
The japanese can make performance too, i mean the tuner scene was started by the japanese. Me personally i got a korean Kia stinger with twin turbo v6 for my everything car, fantastic piece.
"The purpose of a contraption is not, whether or not it works. It's how many times you can get some sucker to fix it." The Yellow Kid. American inventor.
except you're wrong, burger cars are found in all countries. Even in China, yank tanks are regularly seen and quite sought after. That being said, the euro cars sold in most of the world are simple and reliable 4 cylinder models. In USA, only the complicated and shitty ones are sold, so Americans have a false perception that all euro cars are garbage.
Yank turds can be found all around the world because anyone can import a car. That doesn't mean most people want one. I guess the only American car most people across the world want today is a shitty Tesla. Stupid kids conditioned to not know any better.
@@volvodude101 China and India drive mostly Volkswagen and Toyota dude. You will rarely see anything besides those two brands around the world. Toyota for the poorer families, and Volkswagen for the wealthier families. In wealthier countries, it's all BMW/Audi/Mercedes because people there can afford them. No one buys American junk because they know it will fall apart and can't go faster than 140km/hr without lifting off the road.
The GM LS platform and it's derivatives are some of the best V8 engines to be produced. They are dirt cheap and easy to work on, but still incredibly efficient for their displacement. I mean yeah the Audi V8 makes similar HP numbers and is probably more fuel efficient, but it'll be gutless below 3500 RPM. The LS has nearly-bottomless torque from 1500 RPM all the way up.
The irony is that Audi engine are anything but fuel efficient. Maybe on paper but in reality, even an Audi S4 B8 with a V6 had a similar fuel consumption as a Corvette C6 with twice the displacement. At least that's what I got from RCR, it could vary. A lot of people write American engines off as gas guzzlers when only Dodge had those in modern days.
@@Corvolet5 Basically, the Audi engine on paper uses less gas at the same RPMs, but because it revs higher and because it has much less bottom end torque, it ends up using more gas to get the same sort of performance. At least, that's my thoughts on it.
@@shred1894 Sounds pretty accurate. They follow different concepts, therefore showing advantages at different levels. I feel like American cars can be pushed harder because their engines are more used to abuse at high speeds, but the smaller engines obviously use less fuel at low speeds. It's nice to read a comment here that is something other than "but American engines weak"
@@Corvolet5 Personally, I like the idea of low-end torque. And GM unironically makes some really good engines. People sleep on their 'High Feature V6' platform engines, and their Ecotec I4 engines are every bit as reliable as a Honda K-series. Actually the 2.4 Ecotec is arguably the best swap for a Miata if you aren't doing a turbo build.
Mines done 80k miles and is in healthy condition. The engine isn't the weak point, nor is the transmission, it's the prop and rear diff, same goes for other Audi's that use V8's. Even the 4.2L N/A V8 is reliable to a point, but that had carbon build up and the timing chain tensioners tended to go early unless you put in the redesigned ones. It's is like this video says, not easy to work on. But it's not unreliable. The 4.0L TT engine is solid and makes decent power. If given the change I'd like an American V8. though.
@@JP_RS6 Compared to a Toyota V8 or any Honda engine, Audi engines are a joke. A very bad joke. If an Audi engine makes it to 120,000 miles without a $6000 repair, STOP THE PRESSES! If a Toyota V8 or V6 doesn't make it to 300,000 miles - its because the owner only changed the oil every 28,000 miles and had an accident where the radiator was punctured and it lost all of it's coolant. Even the worst Japanese engine, the embarrassing Subaru 2.5 - will easily outlast an Audi engine.
@@jackandblaze5956new Audi V engines are fragile yes The older (pre 2010s and older) can easy for 160k+ miles until timing linkage is replaced, and the sub 3 liter V6s are even better
You can do what now? What was it just last year a Camaro NASCAR platform completely dominated it's class at a little race you may have heard of. Le mans. Then there's your left to right argument...... I've never seen or heard of a Mercedes,BMW, or Audi that can be driven for over 150k with no issues. It just doesn't happen. I doubt it's even possible. Sorry but cars in general aren't something that Europeans have yet to figure out. They just aren't reliable. Now the Japanese are getting the hang of building a V8 but.... Transmissions are the weak point. That tends to apply to anything once hit a certain amount of HP.
That's okay...there is no way I would trade my 2nd gen Camaro and the sound of it's nasty V8 mixed with the open roads in the western US for anything!!
That’s the Audi 4.2 v8. Commonly the chain tensioner would go out because it was made of plastic. So how would you fix it? Well, look at the picture. I had one and it was going out so I sold to a guy who said he could fix it and that was that.
The engine is a European invention , so the design got "swapped" in every car ever produced ......The fact that Muricans hillbillies sit on giant pools of oil and don't need to care one second about fuel economy in their designs is relevant only to circonstances , not engineering prowess , your versions of engines are inefficient hunks no Europe citizen could afford to feed daily , and besides i'm sure GM and Ford greatly simplified their engines , fully conscious of the intellectual level of te general american population ......
"You have the right to work on your own vehicle, but not the knowledge or 200 specialty tools we designed for it"
Dude my Audi was this to perfection 😂
Job protection at it's finest
Also if you want to change those hood stopper bushings, you first need to remove the engine, transmission and left rear brake light to get access on it.
It’s no different on a Ford now.
Had three technicians out to reset an adblue light, on a 21 Ranger. none of them could access it even with Ford software. All locked out. Has to go to the stealers.
@@wilfriedzonderman3168very little to do with job security.
Biblically accurate V8
How did you manage to meme this lmao
LMAO its been a while since I've bust out laughing at a RUclips comment. thanks for that.
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Build by Martin Luther himself.
Nah. If .45 is God's caliber, then 350 is God's dispacement
For those who don't know what this is, audi V8 and if you look closely this is the rear of the engine. Yes that's where the timing chains are located.
All you have to do is drop the engine to change the timing belt(s)!
German fart cans. Id never buy one even with good creditand money. They are like a fine high price prostitute. Only looks good coming and going.
The old Ford rangers v6 had a timing chain in the back too.
@@ethanmoore9306 Funny reason too, instead of casting 2 different heads for each side because heads are designed for intake and exhaust sides they used the same head for both sides and spun it around and attached another chain and sprocket in the rear. Cheap as hell assembly wise definitely saved them some cash.
The Audi V8 is a work of art. The other is a simpleton stick drawing.
USA: 8,4l 600hp
EU: 3l 660hp
I don't understand your point, if your listing factory specs your correct. However if you are talking about actual potential the American V8 is way better, it's much simpler and easier to mod. Also way more affordable, way more reliable. I've worked on both and built both so I am saying this from not just my opinion but also my experience with building engines.
USA 8.4L: is small and runs forever
EU 3L: is very wide and tall and needs a complete engine rebuild after one winter
@@sarmatiancougar7556 Yeahh rightttt because american V8s are so well known for reliability. Said no one ever🤣
@@hi-fidude6670 you just said it tho
@@popNdawg Umm nope? American V8s got simplicity I'll give em that. Simplicity don't mean quality though. It's funny how the country that landed people on the moon still mostly use engines with pushrods that take 3-5 business days to rev up and have hp per litre similar to a ww1 plane
The worst part is that's the back side of the motor
No doubt!
V8 and VR motors have reversed timing so it's on the trans side.
Omg no thanks
No shit@@AndyKPOV
@@AndyKPOV You commented just to say the same comment but worded different?
When everyone is an engineer but nobody is a plumber
Well Said !
I learned that good plumbers are rare.
As a plumber you should worry less about about plumbers and more about the inspectors that let that shit fly. If we had better inspectors the good guys would have more work and good people have quality homes. Most inspectors have never done blue collar work so they judge without looking at circumstance
@@quadliftit depends on where you live
@@quadliftkinda be hard to be a quality plumber in Hawaii when all the water is corrosive due to older pipes or using pumps to get clean clean water are outdated. Possibly nuclear stuff on the islands. So we have new pipes that are not solid, called PEX they can expand and also are hypo allergenic in a pressurized setting
That Audi timing system looks like something out of a Doctor Seus book!
Audi's Rube Goldberg machine
It needs to be that one of that guy just starring soulessly in desolation at the camera.
@@brendan2599 that's a great way of putting it
"Mr. Brown can go pop pop pop pop" i would say the Audi makes similar noises but then again, one of these Audis starting on it's own is already a miracle.
Exactly! 👏🏼🤜🏼🤛🏼👍🏼
Its even funnier once you realise those chains on the eu v8 are in the back of the motor so you gotta take the whole thing out
Not bad job tho
@@dariusfelik9451 speaks volumes , that engine was built by an engineer not a mechanic , it may do the job well, but it will only do it once.
@@lewd_lewdengineer: “look how creative I am”
Mechanic: “so the barrel goes in my mouth and-“
In Germany we say KUNDENBINDUNG
@@lewd_lewd i like this kind of engines, very compact but this evolution sometimes sucks
Lol my automotive shop teacher mentioned if the engine has a belt or a timing chain long enough to tow the car with.... You probably going to need it!
That's funny shit 😂
Yes, thar is the correct answer
100%
If you buy a used vehicle with a T-belt, assume it's never been done and change it right away. Better yet, avoid belts if you can, unless you do your own work.
😂😂
It looks like a corpse of a transformer 😂
Like someone got a great deal at "ACME Gear and Chain" and needed to use them all.
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🤣😁👍
Exactly!
Eheh take a look on the cizeta 16t engine😅🎉
"They've overdone it as usual... like they did on their French holiday in 1939" - James May
You like that’s bad look at the French Revolution, dubbed the ‘corn dog revolution’. And spoiler alert is not because everyone got some free wiener.
wtf are you both talking about? the first post can loosely be associated with germans, but the year is wrong.
@@ivok9846 Pretty sure that’s exactly what James May sarcastically said about the Germans, referencing the start of WW2?
@@billymays7210 The war started in 1939, but Germany invaded France in 1940.
@@Anonymous-sb9rrcool story bro. Doesn’t change the quote…
I have done 4 of those Audi timing chains. Honestly, life is way too short to deal with this stuff. Never again. It's a great representation of how the German mind works.
Could be designed/made deliberately to not allow repairs? Like a soft wall of no, instead of tell you a straight no.
its actually not that hard.......... but im german
@@kingofcars3921 Who said it was hard? Apprentices usually do it because its extremely time consuming for nothing. Id rather be making money than play around.
@@Dexter_Solidyou’re so full of shit lmao. “Time consuming for nothing” like you don’t get paid for the time you spend doing it.
Also, no sensible person would let an apprentice get anywhere near that thing.
@@Dexter_Solid not with tricks and special tools plus selfbuild tools, you can be pretty fast. But that should be every mechanics secret.
When replacing a thermostat becomes a timing job.
That's honestly most ford's now...I had to find that out the hard way
VW water pump sometimes equals new timing belt.
lexus be like
@@thunderfox53 Ford too? Damn!
@DeeDee-pw9pm yeah unfortunately, I had ford explorer and the water pump went out, found out it was timing chain driven. Don't know who's bright idea it was to put a coolant cooled component powered directly by a oil cooled component buy thankfully the engine was saved but still
300hp from 6L displacement while using 15+L/100km vs
450hp from 3.5L displacement while using 12L/100km
No.... Add the turbo set up to the 6L v8, like that Audi, and the LS takes the win. Because Torque is king.
@@TheTyrial86 ah yes lets add aftermarket stuff lmak
Euro v8 with turbos is more like 6/700
@@TheTyrial86good torgue in all rpm can be only when camshaft is regulated, wich is not made when it isin block 😂
Audi v8 4.0L 700hp / 900NM easy on factory engine, without modifying engine and turbos 😂😂😂
And still comfort ride highway cruising 12L/ 100km 😂
@@TheTyrial86 it’s doesn’t have a turbo it’s a NA.
"Hey, Boss! Where's the V8 Im supposed to be working on? All I see it a pile of spare parts."
"That is the engine."
thats a v6
😂
"How many timing chains do you want in this engine?"
"All of them"
Let me guess
Terminator
I recently saw a video that stated that Japanese cars are designed to last even if you're lazy on maintenance. European cars are designed to function well only if you are very careful on maintenance. I think American cars are somewhere in between.
it's true.
It's true about the Japanese & German Cars. However American made cars may just be worse if it was a "Friday" car. Older=better either way. (Older being pre 2000)
Completely agree
I'm from EU. But i agree. Greetings from Poland.
Tbh the New ones are like this but those Old diesels are fucking unbreakable and its blowing my mind that some cars are doing crazy mileage
I thought the german one was a made up, shopped, AI generated image, but judging by the comments, it's real😂
That’s why they always say it’s better to throw your bmw away then to attempt to do the expensive repair
It's real. Sadly.
It's real and it's not that bad. Just like anything, there is a learning curve but it is no more difficult to time than an LS or ford mod motor chain drive. It just looks complicated and idiots freak out rather than using a few neurons and understanding the assembly.
@@jdllewellyn5802 >learning curve
Bro the chains are more curved than any learning curve.
Oh it’s very real my friend and it’s a stupid design … I work on cars for a living and I won’t touch that crap not worth the hassle and head ache
Chevy vs. Audi! That Audi is ridiculous!
Overengineering
@@mojkanal212engineering
Yeah but the supreme audi makes 50 more hp at the highest level and only breaks 5x as much. Cope more poor american boy! Honhonhon!
Yeah but fast. 😂😂
But better than chevy...
You guys in America ever heard the expression "simplicity is the key to success"?
Well, we don't believe in that here in Europe...
😂 So true.
To be fair, euro v8s run smoother and are a lot more efficient than us v8s.
Yeah for like 5k miles
Until the eurotrash cops out and you don’t even know where tf to look
@@rulingmoss5599omg LOLLLL😂😂😂
Euro V8s, using 12 times the metal and oil to get a SLIGHTLY, better hum, and a fraction better milage over US V8s...
@@Micsmit_45 for alot shorter time
I still remember going to Kmart to buy oil, oil filter, air filter, fuel filter, spark plugs, points, and leeds.
Going home, spend a coupla hours replacing the parts and changing the oil.
With very little mechanical knowledge and it'd be right as rain!!
NOW you need a masters degree in mechanical engineering, computer programming, and special tools just to open the bonnet.....MADNESS!!
it's still the same thing though, it's just that if you buy a german car they make your life very hard to do it, hence do not buy a german car, worst offender when it comes to planned obsolescence.
That's unfortunately true. Although i love both american V8's and Audi especially for Quattro which rules on the road.
Volvo made a prototype car "designed for women". You literally COULDN'T OPEN the hood. Good luck checking the dipstick.
You can still do the basic maintenance fairly easy even on Germans.
You actually need a phd in rocket science for modern engines and thermonuclear engineering
Had my homie ask me "why do I have 4 timing chains" I now understand fully
Oh no, good lord, there's ONE more, tucked in behind it all, I thought I only saw three, but christ, I....FUCK!
Americans getting 50hp per litre.. Europeans getting 150hp per litre
Lol... your irrational statement doesnt apply at all.. it takes you fucking retards 30 days to replace any drivetrain component... it takes us 15 mins... We are not the same because you think hp per liter equates to speed... it does not. You pussy boys couldnt build HYPERCAR LMP1 and LMP2 cars that even got CLOSE to an American V8 Stock Car... you mustve forgot when Garage56 came to LeMans and embarrased the fuck out of your whole existence
Bro is comparing a sportscar to a truck.
Turns out that doesn't mean much because a 7L american V8 will take less space than a 4.2L german one.
Compare price simplicity and durability america is huge we need more durable cars than little European countries
That's why the Ls is swapped into literally every vehicle on earth including EV's
And don’t forget….that mess of timing chains and brittle, oil soaked, plastic guides are on the BACK of the Audi S4 V8, which means to do this job the engine is coming out.
that was prior to 2013 and some 2012s, they changed the polymer to a much harder one and there aren't any problems after. Sorta like how the mid 2000s had the gernades er turbos that exploded lol.
Honestly I'd take that over everything breaking in my cavalier lol even the lights were held in with mechanics wire lol
“Where can I get this fixed?” “The dealership.”
The dealership: Ehh...do you want a new engine instead?
Even dealerships can't deal with it lol
@@moataz3880 so true 😂 👍
Thats what you call over engineering. 😂
Germans are well known for it.
crap
That’s when the biggest troll decides to be an engineer.
Apparently, comments about Germany being known for over engineering machines is forbidden on RUclips. Unbelievable…
@@Chet73 yeah they gave me a warning about that stuff
Meanwhile a Lamborghini V12 can’t even beat Dodge Demon in a drag race 😂
Have the Demon corner at speed
Or you know go beyond a quarter mile, the Lambo would walk it in a standing mile
@@jameson1239it can corner all you have to do is lower to the ground it’s not hard
@@midgetcooker5000the lambo gets walked in that also
@@key2shawn154 *suspension upgrades and weight reduction have left the chat*
“yeah I think it’s about time I had my timing chain replaced” which one lmao
That timing hardware outlasts the engine in most cases. If one of these ever has timing issues, I'll never open up the motor, cuz I bet my left nut there are more problems waiting elsewhere. I don't know about the states, but over here I can get that motor for cheaper than I would charge for a valve job. And they indeed are reliable, just not worth working on.
In the end, ....its the sad truth. Greetings from a German tech.
You're a brave man to do that job
Your engineers hate you.
well thats what happens when you guys build super cars, need your super car tech cert lol
Jetta that can't get throttle body tuned at dealer because THEIR diagnostic machine isn't smart enough!
Me too. Done these after the dealer botched them Circa 2013. Happy customers and i was 7 grand richer a pop then. Cheers
Perfect example of Just because you can do it don’t mean you should. 😂😂😂
I think the massively increased HP is worth it
More hp, less displacement, more MPG but yeah more complicated
Rotary engines in a nutshell
Horse power is for flexing at car meets, torque is what truly matters. Also what is the horsepower at the wheels, the engine rated horse power sees a decrease by about 20%-45% as it is transferred through the transmission and drivetrain to become the power put between the wheels and the road.
@@fab9207yeah but the point being you can make the same hp with a simpler design and it’s been proven time and time again when every German or Japanese V8 gets dusted by a pushrod LS 🤣 like really get your head out of your ass buddy Chevy’s we’re making 425 at the crank in the 60s, the 70s emissions standards just made it necessary for them to be de-tuned. Don’t believe me look, I hate everyone spreading misinformation “oh but it only makes 180 horsepo-“ yeah well come run my built 496 Malibu SS then with any German car on a 1/4 track, and watch my taillights
When Dr strange becomes an engineer instead of surgeon 🙏🏼💀☠️
The LS is an excellent design. It takes the pushrod V8 about as far as it can be taken, efficiency wise. The heads flow incredibly well. The reality is in normal driving the LS does just as well MPG as its far more complex counterparts. Additionally it is much more compact, even with larger displacements, than the competition. Its also a far simpler design. I have MB and GM V8s. The GM is much easier to live with.
Meanwhile I'm sorting out a Buick 215 V8 so I'm just happy when someone else even knows what I am referring to. Even the old guys rarely know anything
Until a pushrod goes, then your block is screwed. Never had any American car last, but when I maintained my German cars, they never seem to have any problems besides fluid consumption as they age.
@@Neckername1Yh they love to leak oil tho 😅 mine runs mint but has a leak😅 but I l just love my Porsche
Your a nice lier, you can bend the heck out of a pushrod and just have a missfire event. usually theres no other damage. Just replace the pushrod. @Neckername1
Engineered by ford
Audi: we don't just sell cars, we sell aftermarket parts. 😢
Audi never breaks, american cars break all the time and are poorly built in every part. And they don't last at all. Here in Europe the only american cars being sold are Fords, as an alternative to FIAT, because they cost about the same and they last about the same. Those who can, buy something else.
they're OEM if sold by the dealer lol but yeah I can fix my german car on my own!
“The more they overthink the plumbing, the easier it is to stop up the drain”
-Scotty
Scotty is mostly bullshit anyway. He may know old school but he doesn't know this new shit. And Toyota has fallen.
@@benjy117 If toyota has fallen then what's left lmao
I think his talking about scotty feom star trek @benjy117
What Americans don’t tell you is that 600HP is over the lifetime of the engine. That’s why you can get a 427cu pushing 200HP. It’s used up the other 400 already.
That image is actually scary to me
and to most people that aren't used to working on super cars - that is the V10 audi made for the Gallardo
@@richmondvand147 that explains a lot. I was wondering why it was so flat and compact.
Not even super cars. Just German cars.
The Mercedes engines are similar. Chains all over the place lol
People buying European V8 don't repair it themselves. And you can't deny it, when everything works, it works better
You buy a car for reliability not for a few months of efficiency
@@Joseph-kq9zcSo you buy Japanese? Cause American cars aren't that well known for being reliable.
@@onii-chandaisuki5710 Which american csrs are you talking about? American cars hit 1 million miles LONG before a Japanese car even thought about it
No, European cars have been junk for some time now. The rest of the world has caught up though.
american cars are the biggest piece of sh ever made
Me: "How many timing chains does that thing have???"
The internet: "Yes"
🦅 V8 8000cc : 150 hp
🇪🇺 V8 3000 cc : 650 hp
Find one modern American V8 that is 8L and makes 150hp. Oh wait, you can't. The myth comes from the oil crisis of the 70s.
@@clonecommandermike332I don’t know why lying knowing that American cars make 700hp factory and are more reliable that European cars
@@clonecommandermike332 AND considering the fact that they were damn near choked to death
@@clonecommandermike332 Even a v8 from pre 1972 in 1970 a 7.2L or 383 stock would make 335 hp. Also carroll shelby made a V8 in 1966 that made 800 plus HP granted it was a 427cid with two superchargers on it so yeah.
I started working at a bmw/mini shop and that's when i learned that Americans put the intake up top between the heads and the exhaust exits the sides of the block, while the Germans have not one but TWO turbos up there between the heads and the intake is going in the sides of the block. Blew my fucking mind.
there isn't really a standard so doubt youre a tech otherwise you'd know it varies not by nation but by type of engine and whether its forced air. Take my German for example its super charged so intake top/exhaust bottom which is exactly like every other 6 plus cyl supercharged engine (at market not custom)
Yeah, what they call a "hot V".. turbo charged v8's with the hot V benefit the most out of it
Don’t let this distract you from the fact that Hector is going to be running three Honda civics with spoon engines, and on top of that, he just went into Harry’s and bought three t66 turbos with nos, and a motec exhaust system.
This is one of those times when you need to think about how you answer very carefully 💪🏿🇺🇸🔥🇺🇸🔥🇺🇸✊🏿
The funniest thing about that quote is that Motec makes gauges, not exhausts. That movie made no sense.
@@brb1994swat came into my house, disrespected my whole family. And you know what it was you.
How ya feelin' Lance?....40 weight....50 weight?
@@dnegel9546 I NEVER NARCED ON NOBODY!!! 💪🏿🇺🇸🔥🇺🇸🔥🇺🇸✊🏿
LS Swap the world!!
That’s what I was thinking, kind of. We can K swap stuff too.
@@bimmermacYou're arguing a K vs a LS..... They both handle boost well but.... If you'd rather sound like a angry honey bee I guess that's your personal preference. It definitely depends on your platform. A LS swap is so basic it's hard to argue against. RWD platforms can just handle power better and logic tells us 8 is better than four.
@@gravyd316 I’m just saying we can do both.
@@gravyd316think I’m fitting a K in a volks bug before I’m fitting an LS in it tho. Wouldn’t really want a K tho.. would rather go 2j or n54..
Mmkay, you like white claws, we get it 😂
Americans: “why is there more than one camshaft, and why aren’t they in the block?”
Ha 😂
You act like the coyote motor hasn't been around for 10 years
@@bIgMiKeObAmNa get a sense of humor
@WMMASceneNow I mean I guess it's kinda funny. Ha... ha....ha.....rofl.
..rofl
@@bIgMiKeObAmNa you americans only copy Japan or Germán tecnologhy. Face it you dont. Invented a shit
In Europe we know how to have more than 50 horsepower/ litre since 1970 😅
Wait till this man finds out about dodge 👀
have you heard of nascar
>still beaten by Japan who made cars that were faster and much easier to fix
😐
Unreliable asu fuck since forever too.
I changed a water pump in a Mercedes once, it was like doing heart surgery..took all day to do it
O well, maybe your slow
@@Loveitdownunder My point, I'm not. If you knew the job, you wouldn't say such a thing. It's an incredibly complicated procedure. ... and overly engineered. It was my first one, so I might have taken a bit longer than you.
Ford Cyclone V6 has entered the chat.
@@ghostwrench2292 yeah , I think you win the argument with that engine ... interal, crazy!
@DJC75 you're*
The American V8 is the one your grandpa will come running and sort it out in 15 minutes with elbow grease and a wrench.
The European V8 is the one with a 29k parts bill alongside a 40k labor bill and a smiling sales guy.
Bruh try a new duramax theyre pieces of absolute unfixable shit
The American V8 youre talking about has died in the name of the shareholder
@@lolfragglesIt's ok to be ignorant, but to go out of your way like this.
audi trans am, audi imsa gto, audi quattro- pikes peak. ein deutsches auto, mit deutschem fahrer und deutschen mechanikern...schon ändern amerikaner die spielregeln...😂😂😂
What was it Scotty said? “The more you over complicate the plumbing, the easier it is to stop up the drain”
Its called planned obsolescence, in 10 years not even the dealerships are going to touch it. My uncle had a BMW from the 80s that broke down, and he took it to the dealership several times over the years, they never got it right. My aunt ended up selling it after he passed, so sad he never got to enjoy it.
thats not unique to europeans, thats every dealership ever, hell toyota has been jerking us around about several things claiming the issue doesn't exist even with photos, videos happening while looking at it. FUCK THE STEALERSHIP is the lesson all must learn. Go find a specialist
So true. I have a Ford 289 and an Audi 4.2. I rebuilt the 289, but I'll never mess with the Audi.
With the Audi you dont have to.
Then youre not a mechanic.😅
@@Sylt680 With the Audi, you'll have to long before a 289 gives up the ghost.
It's called an overhead multi cam,multi valve.
The other one is a steam engine.
😂
A dependable steam engine.
@@archieharrison9433 true, until the cam lobes wear off.
8750 parts vs 200..........add a cam to the ls and it eats the engine with 8750 parts and costs a fraction to do so
@@trillrifaxegrindor4411
For longevity and reliability YES, for efficiency No.
"Sir, your timing chain guide has failed."
"which one?"
"Keep it simple stupid" just like Pa said!
KISS principle
Why keep it simple when you'd be able to service it at home in a morning when you can over complicate it and have a team of technicians service it over the course of a week?
We live in false economy where everyone is trying to find new ways to get at your money 💰💰💰
Simple and slow complicated and fast
@@dedeeprice6560 But The Speed Limits Haven't Changed At ALL. Kinda DUMB. ALL That Horsepower To Go The Same Speed...
@@davemckolanis4683 Do you think that's a problem
I put it this way. My little tiny out of the six cylinder did a hundred and sixty five
All the way down the interstate Three straight hours
Can't understand that's a hundred and sixty plus miles an hour
I basically turned a 5 hour trip into a 2 hour trip.
Pretty quickly
So d m three He had a radar detector we took off. We were going we stayed going and we never had a problem not one
It was open road so why not
Nacho, tell you where or when butthole is just saying about a decade ago.
That trip was made
All the way to the tail of the dragon on a very special day
The day there would be no cops at all
And then I went down the tail of the dragon
Without any speed limit
Welp, that's Audi for ya. You're supposed to have money for it 😂
literally a lambo engine with audi badge payed by vw. and we know vw is stealing everyones money and lying through their teeth when quoting price for parts and repairs.
The comments section really devolved here. I’d wager more than half of these people have never even owned a car.
in this economy probably 1/4 lol *cries*
"There is no substitute for cubic displacements"
- American with its thunderous 7.5 liter V8 engine and 250 HP
new invention. an LS swap kit for literally every current production vehicle made. once it goes down and needs a major overhaul and you know it will soon. the kit may cost 10-12k but at least you know its gonna go for 200k miles pretty easy. lol!!
yeah no need for that prehistoric sh.t 😂
twice less power, less tourg, havier, bigger, more hungry for petrol, no need that 😂
Please show us the charts 👀 depending on what series of ls you drop in you’re totally inaccurate and on top the that the la platform is one of the easiest to build performance on na and the block and bottom end can handle a shit Ton of boost 🤦
@@lastdescendentofnyx3656 Please show car model stock no tuning, with 4w drive, fast acceleration atleast 4-5sec to 60, handling, silent in 120-140mph that you can hear wisper, hi comfort, and good mpg, 😂😂😂
@@Renarificationwhat are you talking about. I have C5z setting in my garage and the fender line is a hair above my knee. The LS fits in anything and will make more power reliably and longer than any German junk. Its sad and I love German cars.
@@Renarification
Prehistoric? Junk?
Alright..do you one better, and use the smaller, new era 5.0 Coyote & 5.4 Predator V8 engines from Ford...OR the 1, 2 & 3 UZ V8 engines from Toyota.
Those're all great options, reliable, and fit easier into small engine bays..able to make big power on minimal budgets.
Modern Euro V8 engines simply cannot keep up, with those stupid 4.0 litre laws & emission guidelines.
BMW's are fast for 50k miles, then blow up.
AMG's are good to 75-100k before they blow up.
Audi's MIGHT make it to 80k before their modern cars fall apart.
Fact is, unless you dump 250 grand on a McLaren or other high end car...Europe doesn't have much to offer for that market anymore.
I’ve worked on a Mercedes Benz M113 before. It was straight forward
So was it a M113K (Kompressor)
or just a regular M113 ?
@@abdelaziz855 it was a 2001 E55 amg not supercharged
I love Audis, but There’s nothing in this world, that sounds, works and last more than a beautiful Ford 5.0
Yep. Also many Ford engines, including the naturally aspirated 5.0l V8 flexfuel version produces bit more horsepower with E85 fuel in the America. In the european countries this increased power doesnt exist in 2019 and newer Ford vehicles because emissions limits, are programmed for more fuel economy.
Almost looks like an Ecoboost opened up 😅
As a 4 time Mercedes owner, I can confirm this is true.
Yeah, Mercedes owner, and that is an Audi engine. We can tell you are a propper connoisseur...😂
@@cristian6766 I’m talking about the over engendered Germaine cars… not that specific engine. So yeah I think I have a little bit of knowledge.
@@cristian6766ur probably not familiar with EU cars, stop saying nonsense bud
you mean modern Mercedes, buddy has one that can be fixed just by holding a roll of duct tape and thinking about it.
@@richmondvand147 I love mine. Great automobile
Show the horsepower comparison now
SSC Ultimate Aero 6.1L v8[chevy] 1287hp
Bugatti Veyron Super Sport 8.0L w16[Volkswagen] 1183hp
@@Tibbs_FarmNICE !
@@Tibbs_FarmExcellent example. Then there's cost. You can throw together a 1000 hp ls for around 6 or 7k. Try that with a European V8. You'd be lucky to get the block at that price.
Show the maintenance cost when one of those chains decides to take a nap.
@@archieharrison9433we love getting 3500 in labor vs 500 for a junk ass chevy.
Thanks ,
Mechanic
American engines are so good at making loud noise with the byproduct of power
Doggone right. 1064 out of the ZR1.
pros: the simplicity
cons: the simplicity
YOU CLERLY HAVENT SEEN IN A MODERN OHC AMERICAN V8.
They still do them ohc and not dohc?
But yeah, you can open pretty much any new engine, and as the germans like to say "bekommen das kotzen" getting the need to puke.🤢
Still a LOT simpler.
Dieser Amerikanische V8 hat keinen OHC sondern OHV
@dustoftime1904 He said modern V8 wasn't referring to the one in the video
Just going to throw this out there, ford followed the Europeans lead on this one.
But not just the mod v8.....4 liter explorer had several chains up front. And one cam timing chain in the bell housing... F off with that ahit
And that's why I'm looking to 302 swap my 1st gen sport trac 😂
That’s why I’m hauling my explorer to the scrap yard tomorrow
@@Bulldogm82unfortunate man. Shame they are so expensive to fix, because otherwise they weren't that bad. The earlier generation of these engines was extremely durable, and they ruined it.
@@ryurc3033 they over engineered them
@Tenton-pv6wp - why 302 swap your sport trac when you fit the reliable 4.6L 2V in there easily?
LOVE IT!!! OH MY GOD!! I Can't stop laughing!!😂😂😂😂your killin' me!!!😂😂😂 so true!! Thank you!!🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
“That’s actually just German ingenuity🤓☝️” only smart thing about is making it such a pain in the ass you HAVE to pay to get them to fix it
Thats like comparing a typewriter to a MacBook.
Making an over complicated piece of crap doesn't make it better.
You're correct, but not for the reasons you think; typewriters function always, whereas macbooks are proprietary, unreliable and expensive trash that are primarily purchased by useless eaters as a status symbol.
@@tirdkat6104 dont be mad just because you lack skill and intelligence
@@tirdkat6104 true. Being faster, smoother and more efficient makes it better. When's the last time any american brand's been in the top 10 relibility polls? Caddys, Lincolns, et all, live at the bottom lol
@@AI-qd4vbnobody actually wants your over engineered mystery box. Crap like this is why nobody can fix their own stuff anymore.
Those German engineers do take "fukk mechanics" to a whole nother level. Damn.
the average Lamborghini tech makes about 54k a year in the US (top being 80k) while average techs dont make salary and get about 26 per hour so i dunno sounds like a good deal to me (theyre roughly the same except at the top end)
@@richmondvand147 Well that's certainly an interesting point of view.
Because last time I worked at a dealership (Hyundai), the master tech was making well over 96k a year at least, assuming he was getting paid 26 p/h which I doubt because that's what I was making as a level 1 tech.
Sooo...I don't see what your point is to be honest. My original comment still holds true.
@@richmondvand147That honestly sounds like shit pay...
And thats why I traded my amg for a corvette
Two wrongs don't make a right
Just replace timing chain every 100k
@@sufferedenuf corvettes beat amgs effortlessly😊
@@westernstar9121 AMG beats most AMC.
So you escaped the devil and met his mother 😅
This is why you see more LS3 swaps than S65 swap. 😅
Caveman tech vs. German tech😂
The caveman one will still be running long after the german one is in the junk yard because it needed $6k repair.
@@tirdkat6104 Its opposite, I rarely see mustang, dodge etc with same mileage as audis in Poland +600k km and still going, same for Mercedes, bmw and so on.
@@wadimek116 Because those cars are rare in Europe to begin with. There's a reason why in the US European cars lose their value faster than any other cars.
Thats why we have 600hp+ and you 150hp 😂
Not even mentioning fuel efficiency. But shhh, let the Americans keep believing they are the world's best engineers even if Germans and Japanese have surpassed them tenfold half a century ago.
@@ZenzDeluxeas a vw fan boy. The audi 4.2 is horrendously overengineered. The only saving grace is the sound it makes
...So the dodge demon doesn't exist? 1025hp in a production vehicle.
europe is so odd... they don't make anything that is better than anywhere else in the world yet they still think they have some superiority for some reason.
@@ZenzDeluxe nice fantasy
@@Azureskies01 Because it is better. Always perform better. But more expensive also.
engine that can alter fabric of reality💀💀
Engineer: How many timing chains do you want ?
European: All of them 🤪
🤭😆🤣😁 Joe Pesci is the right one for the response. 😂
More than 8 valves per head confuse Americans 😅
Not really.
The Germans think if you add more smaller valves with endless camshafts, chains, guides, tensioners, idlers it somehow will make more power. The Americans are smart enough to know you can make more power with less moving parts and have a smaller power dense package. Its ok you can admit defeat.......again.
No
Meanwhile... ford's coyote 😂
@@lilIAN97huh the coyote is a great engine. The only problem is package constraints. Its a wide engine up top with the 4 cams
There is a big difference that American V8 engines carry hundreds of millions of people, while European V8s only carry a few millionaires.
And that's because we can do the same job as the American V8 with a 3-litre six-cylinder... that makes more power and returns significantly better fuel economy.
@@richardharrold9736 Some V8s are better than some V6s. Just depends on the specific engine. They can easily achieve similar performance and fuel consumption.
@@chheese1z oh, sure. An Audi 4.2 V8 is far better than a Chevrolet 4.3 V6. Amazing how much better a 4-valve DOHC head is than a 2-valve pushrod one.
@@richardharrold9736 What? An expensive performance engine used in sports cars is better than a chevy truck engine? That's wild. Honestly, a fairer comparison would be the GM 3.6-liter LF4 against the Audi.
@@chheese1z the Audi engine makes over a hundred horsepower more than that 3.6 engine (which itself is not a bad unit at all, and certainly better than the pushrod monstrosities it replaced). But it does come at a weight penalty - the Audi V8 is about 200-210kg, whereas the 3.6 is about 160kg. So in terms of physical bulk and mass, it makes more sense to compare it to the bigger pushrod engines...
american ones are efficiently transforming fuel into heat without that joke of the side effect called power
1064 HP ZR1 would beg to differ
It's almost like the German bean counter said to the engineers: "We want to fit the most possible failure points per cubic centimeter on this V8!" 🤡
And they got better performance
@@erdzso7036 performance doesn't matter when you're stuck on the side of the road😂
@@erdzso7036 sounds like cope
@@erdzso7036 Until you reach 100k and it becomes a garage queen.
That's a fuckin' Audi for ya...and yeah those little white PLASTIC guides are about as sturdy as you'd expect them to be...
But I'm pretty sure that's their V10.
It's their V10, V8 and V6. They all use a similar setup on the back of the block.
At least they use metal guides with plastic contact surfaces instead of all plastic ones these days.
The guides are nylon and *can* be more durable than metal if they've specified the right kind of nylon. It's no different from motorcycles that use nylon sprockets and chain guides. The fact you think nylon is inherently bad simply demonstrates you are no engineer.
@@iatsd Those guides are infamous for breaking on the B6 S4, where that chain setup made its debut, leading to a $10k service bill on a (nowadays) $10k car. There's a very good reason they got swapped out for metal-backed ones on later developments of that engine.
@@sp33d4l0l I'll say it again for the terminally stupid that are unable to read: there is nothing inherently wrong with using plastics or nylon parts in that king of function. Choosing the wrong one will lead to failure. Choosing the right one will lead to a part with better wear characteristics than most steels.
Feel free to point out other instances where designers have specified the wrong type of material for the part function. It makes no difference to the point I'm making. I guess you just like seeing your words on-screen, eh?
@@iatsd In an engine where the timing chain tensioners are driven off oil pressure, so every cold start the chains rattle against the guides, making them entirely out of nylon is a pretty poor engineering decision. Abrasion characteristics mean jack when that's not what causes these to fail in the first place.
I know you can do some amazing stuff with plastic parts, but this engine is not one of them.
Also Europeans in the 60s "daddy Ford gimme a Windsor 🥺"
wrong timeline to be talking crap lol. In the 60s if your american made vehicle made it to 60k it was considered a success. Mercedes had cars with over a million miles on them coming in that same timeline.
@@alanparks3402 I'm mainly talking about race cars but anyway
All that complication on European engines have a single objective: to make their maintenance ridiculously expensive
When it comes to V8s, USA, every time. 🤣
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european v8s be like: if it works dont touch it
we duh otherwise you're just wasting money
German in particular. When you have to remove the engine out the car to change that spark plugs, you created donky $h!t
Um, NOPE, my next truck will have turbocharged 300 inline 6 cylinder, a C6 trans and a gear vendor overdrive.
Sounds completely badass and ultra reliable💪
A mans man cause that sounds like a run forever work machine
Why turbo the 300? Leave it unmolested and it will outlast your entire bloodline. And why a C6 when you could get a manual box?
@@volvodude101 Don't listen to them. You'll love that build! It will out last any new engine into the next millennium! Put it on propane, and get a clean fuel tax credit! 106 octain, propane loves boost!
Audi V8: 4,2l 450 PS 11 l/100 km place for 4 persons
Chevy V8: 6,2l 450 PS 14 l/100 km Place for 2 persons
I prefer the AUDI.
Well... Corvettes with their long 6th gears consume much less than the Audi (at least at legal speeds).
You'll not prefer it after the repair bill when things go south.
@@wilecatrexyWhich will not go like that in a long time if you choose the 'merican one
If it even does then cheap bill is going.
A better comparison would be our aussie commodores, 4 doors, 300+kw, and
Thats the old audi.
New 4.0 makes 600 hp and uses only 1 liter of fuel more, 12 liters per 100km.
American cars also improves drastically and arw catching up to Europeans.
However, in few years most cars sold will be electric and hybrid so it doesnt really matter anymore.
If you want to own a reliable car: buy japanese
If you want to own a car with great
performance: buy european
If you want to own a heavy car:
buy american
The japanese can make performance too, i mean the tuner scene was started by the japanese.
Me personally i got a korean Kia stinger with twin turbo v6 for my everything car, fantastic piece.
It all depends on what you buy, foxbody mustangs weigh under 3000lbs
@@Kosmic949 Is that supposed to be light? Oh boy.
Honestly as an American, just buy Japanese.
Or if you want a reliable car that’s light with great performance, buy a Corvette.
Makes you wonder why so many people buy Audi's.
Ah yes the good ol "im better then you Americans because I'm from Europe"
Shouldn't have to try so hard
"The purpose of a contraption is not, whether or not it works. It's how many times you can get some sucker to fix it."
The Yellow Kid.
American inventor.
Hola
American cars are only found in America...but European cars are all over the world. 🤔
except you're wrong, burger cars are found in all countries. Even in China, yank tanks are regularly seen and quite sought after.
That being said, the euro cars sold in most of the world are simple and reliable 4 cylinder models. In USA, only the complicated and shitty ones are sold, so Americans have a false perception that all euro cars are garbage.
@@volvodude101 accurate
@@volvodude101 Stop it with your facts.
Yank turds can be found all around the world because anyone can import a car. That doesn't mean most people want one. I guess the only American car most people across the world want today is a shitty Tesla. Stupid kids conditioned to not know any better.
@@volvodude101 China and India drive mostly Volkswagen and Toyota dude. You will rarely see anything besides those two brands around the world. Toyota for the poorer families, and Volkswagen for the wealthier families. In wealthier countries, it's all BMW/Audi/Mercedes because people there can afford them. No one buys American junk because they know it will fall apart and can't go faster than 140km/hr without lifting off the road.
The GM LS platform and it's derivatives are some of the best V8 engines to be produced. They are dirt cheap and easy to work on, but still incredibly efficient for their displacement. I mean yeah the Audi V8 makes similar HP numbers and is probably more fuel efficient, but it'll be gutless below 3500 RPM. The LS has nearly-bottomless torque from 1500 RPM all the way up.
The irony is that Audi engine are anything but fuel efficient. Maybe on paper but in reality, even an Audi S4 B8 with a V6 had a similar fuel consumption as a Corvette C6 with twice the displacement.
At least that's what I got from RCR, it could vary. A lot of people write American engines off as gas guzzlers when only Dodge had those in modern days.
@@Corvolet5 Basically, the Audi engine on paper uses less gas at the same RPMs, but because it revs higher and because it has much less bottom end torque, it ends up using more gas to get the same sort of performance.
At least, that's my thoughts on it.
@@shred1894 Sounds pretty accurate. They follow different concepts, therefore showing advantages at different levels. I feel like American cars can be pushed harder because their engines are more used to abuse at high speeds, but the smaller engines obviously use less fuel at low speeds.
It's nice to read a comment here that is something other than "but American engines weak"
@@Corvolet5 Personally, I like the idea of low-end torque. And GM unironically makes some really good engines. People sleep on their 'High Feature V6' platform engines, and their Ecotec I4 engines are every bit as reliable as a Honda K-series.
Actually the 2.4 Ecotec is arguably the best swap for a Miata if you aren't doing a turbo build.
And the Audi will barely last 50k miles
Mines done 80k miles and is in healthy condition. The engine isn't the weak point, nor is the transmission, it's the prop and rear diff, same goes for other Audi's that use V8's. Even the 4.2L N/A V8 is reliable to a point, but that had carbon build up and the timing chain tensioners tended to go early unless you put in the redesigned ones.
It's is like this video says, not easy to work on. But it's not unreliable. The 4.0L TT engine is solid and makes decent power.
If given the change I'd like an American V8. though.
If you mantain it with two sticks and a rock, yeah
Lol Audis are million mile cars in Europe. God knows what you yanks do to them 😂
@@JP_RS6 Compared to a Toyota V8 or any Honda engine, Audi engines are a joke. A very bad joke. If an Audi engine makes it to 120,000 miles without a $6000 repair, STOP THE PRESSES!
If a Toyota V8 or V6 doesn't make it to 300,000 miles - its because the owner only changed the oil every 28,000 miles and had an accident where the radiator was punctured and it lost all of it's coolant. Even the worst Japanese engine, the embarrassing Subaru 2.5 - will easily outlast an Audi engine.
@@jackandblaze5956new Audi V engines are fragile yes
The older (pre 2010s and older) can easy for 160k+ miles until timing linkage is replaced, and the sub 3 liter V6s are even better
At least we can go around corners left and Right without stuffing the vee vehicle 😝👍
You can do what now? What was it just last year a Camaro NASCAR platform completely dominated it's class at a little race you may have heard of. Le mans. Then there's your left to right argument...... I've never seen or heard of a Mercedes,BMW, or Audi that can be driven for over 150k with no issues. It just doesn't happen. I doubt it's even possible. Sorry but cars in general aren't something that Europeans have yet to figure out. They just aren't reliable. Now the Japanese are getting the hang of building a V8 but.... Transmissions are the weak point. That tends to apply to anything once hit a certain amount of HP.
@@gravyd316 look up what car it comes off
@@gravyd316over engineered race car, not a road car, don't count, please try again
@@greenscreen101-83Corvette has won several championships in multiple classes over the years.
That's okay...there is no way I would trade my 2nd gen Camaro and the sound of it's nasty V8 mixed with the open roads in the western US for anything!!
Just because you can doesn't mean you should
That’s the Audi 4.2 v8. Commonly the chain tensioner would go out because it was made of plastic. So how would you fix it? Well, look at the picture.
I had one and it was going out so I sold to a guy who said he could fix it and that was that.
That's why I never heard of someone swapping a European engine into any car😂
then you havent seen much...
The engine is a European invention , so the design got "swapped" in every car ever produced ......The fact that Muricans hillbillies sit on giant pools of oil and don't need to care one second about fuel economy in their designs is relevant only to circonstances , not engineering prowess , your versions of engines are inefficient hunks no Europe citizen could afford to feed daily , and besides i'm sure GM and Ford greatly simplified their engines , fully conscious of the intellectual level of te general american population ......