Had to hand it to Jean Charest, he took a PC party that was in ruin with only 2 seats in the HoC. He got them back on their feet with 20 seats, enough to show that they were still relevant. And congrats to Preston Manning, continuing Reforms ascent from 50 to 60 seats, despite PC resurgence.
In the 1993 election, the ndp and progressive conservatives both suffered the worst defeats (the PCs in particular suffered the worst defeat of a political party in Canadian history and the worst defeat actually ever in the western world). Jean Charest and Alexa McDonough both in the 97 election won enough seats to show their parties were still relevant - Charest won 18 seats, McDonough won 12.
Unlike Maxine Bernier’s PPC which has so far been nothing more than a one person party essentially, Reform and later the Alliance managed to keep adding seats through 3 elections and after the decline of the PC Party became the new Conservative party in Canada during the 90s and early 2000s.
Looking back at the 90's, these debates all revolved around taxes. The obsession with taxes was in vogue in the 90's. Taxes in and of themselves don't create nor kill jobs, and whether its a percent higher or lower with any given government doesn't effectively change much. It was an interesting time in politics, and this focus on taxes and relating it to jobs was a mistake. Conservatives never seem to appreciate that public leadership does help promote job creation and quality employment for many. Mr. Manning seems to think you cut a tax by a percent or two and jobs magically appear. Whether your razor blades at the dollar store cost $1.70 or $1.71 doesn't make a difference in the jobs market or ability to spend, yet the public has always gotten worked up over a minor 1% tax change (its what brought the Conservatives to power in Manitoba a few years back, the public revolted at a minor sales tax change), because leaders like Mr. Manning always leave misleading statements. Ah, the how we built the current era of divisive politics with these simple-stupid arguments. Likewise, @1:47:00 Mr. Manning has his keep it simple-stupid solution for everything. Want to bring equality to aboriginal affairs? Just remove the gov't program altogether, let people fend for themselves. Then placate by saying "give them the tools..." well you can't do that without money and spending my friend.
Manitoba's GDP is around C$65 billion. If you really think that 1% of that, or 650 million, being taken out of the private sector doesn't make any difference, go back to school.
@@Smozzle19 The carbon tax can be debated as to whether its the best policy to achieve the objective of lower carbon emissions (maybe it is ineffective and the tax needs to be abolished, I have no idea, maybe its working.. I do not have that answer); however, Conservatives need to be very careful blaming all inflation in Canada on it. Your food prices aren't going up because of a carbon tax. Food inflation, in fact, has been higher in the US where no carbon tax exists. So, the problem with Conservatism and the lie about taxation is that you guys will get into power, you will have blamed carbon taxes for all these problems, you have demonized it as the source of the problem you promise to have a quick fix for, then Cons have no means to fix the problems that exist with all of the obsession with a tax level here or there changing. I guarantee you, when 10 cents comes off the price of gas (along with the rebates people get to offset that cost), not much change is going to happen. Housing goes up. Food goes up. Gasoline providers will fill in the difference quite quickly. 10 little cents isn't going to mean much when you guys claw into power and defund needed services. Then people will hate you guys even more than Trudeau. Just watch... And note, I am not supporting Trudeau with these comments in the least. You guys really don't get the trap you're setting for yourselves. You can't fix a problem with a small tax change and more capitalism. Capitalism creates these problems, it has to change through other means. It would better serve you to realize that inflation is not caused by tax and government spending, but rather profit seeking in the private sector. Conservatives and capitalists (and Liberals alike, because Liberals are 95% the same) all blame government, but its private sector profit that drives inflation. It isn't a tax, it isn't the government causing economic problems. I do get amused that Conservatives hate Trudeau so personally and demonize him to the degree of unadulterated hate. Because Trudeau is so similar to the Conservatives. We have a housing crisis in Canada. His responses? Well just last week he cut taxes, the GST that rich, wealthy developers pay is now gone. That's his solution. That's 100% identical to the Conservatives. So, I mostly just laugh. The Conservatives and Liberals hate one another, yet are 95% the same. Its hilarious to watch. The people will suffer under more of the same. We can't keep cutting taxes. Trudeau has lowered taxes more than he's installed new ones. Canada is a very low tax country. You can't cut your way into a better economy. Whether its the Conservative sellling you lies about carbon taxes, or the other capitalist party, its more of the same. We'd be better off with a shift and change away from this system.
And it’s honestly my same quarrel with liberals - I agree with them socially but not economically. I would be much more inclined to support conservatives if they just focused on fiscal responsibility without all the added extra social stuff, and same thing with liberals if they just focused on social issues and not on stuff like climate alarmism, defunding law enforcement, etc..
@@evanshiong3557 when have the conservatives in recent years ever focused on social issues? Harper never touched abortion or euthanasia when he was PM and the conservatives since the merger have been very clear that they won’t reopen these debates at the federal level. The last conservative government that touched the issue funnily enough was the PROGRESSIVE conservatives in 1991 when the Mulroney government tried to pass a restrictive abortion law that eventually was killed in the senate.
@@devon6941 Of course, because Quebecers naturally vote Bloc, like Alberta's naturally vote conservative - almost no matter who the leader is. But nearly every time, the vote sank under his watch.
I'm honestly not surprised that Jean Chretien almost lost his majority after that election, his performance in that debate wasn't very good. I saw him debating quite well in others videos but here he wasn't at his best.
well starting in the 90s sadly and what factors are to blame I invite anyone to tell me but it seemed starting in the 90s the screaming matches, the talking over one another, the passing the bucks, and the ever rightward shift with paying minimal lip service to social programs began. and I'm just always stunned how little difference there is between the Progressive conservatives later the Conservatives and the Liberal Party. Preston Manning for all the reputation he's gained as being far right is really just a libertarian unlike Maxime Bernier who is really far right and I liked his response on how to uplift First Nation communities. And though I'm sympathetic to Quebec independence why the Quebecers foisted Gilles Duceppe on us is beyond me I guess they were hoping if they sent the most annoying unhinged Quebec nationalists Canada would finally divorce Quebec? And once more if I had to vote for any leader or party it'd be the NDP and stunned they didn't become the largest third or second party under this leader and the last female leader they had. Jagmeet Singh and Mulcair are just 'ehhhh why you?".
@@OvidéBoily But he is no longer in the house. And it doesn't mean he agrees with everything Trudeau did as PM. Judging by his record, he would not do as Trudeau did, swinging to the far left and going woke. Or blowing so much public spending.
@@broadstreet21 Trudeau is maybe farther left than Chrétien or Turner, but not more so than his father. Chrétien is still a vocal supporter of the liberals, he doesn’t have to agree with everything Trudeau does to still be a liberal.
@@OvidéBoily I think Justin Trudeau is further left than his father. Pierre Trudeau wasn't completely woke as PM. He also had been wary of implementing gun control or a full on welfare state.
Charest is only born in 1958, younger than Trump. Yet he acts too old to use social media. Relies on debate performance and mainstream media to get his message out. Losing proposition. Poilievre actually out debated him big league. And he scored in social media. Most conservatives pay little attention to mainstream media.
So many cheap shots. by @22:00 it's mostly hot air "this country is being praised by the IMF" :blobthink: ~@2:00:00 success of team canada / hockey excuses liberal failure to achieve any of it its main aims ~@2:08:00 Reform got their recall of MP provision from the CCF
Had to hand it to Jean Charest, he took a PC party that was in ruin with only 2 seats in the HoC. He got them back on their feet with 20 seats, enough to show that they were still relevant.
And congrats to Preston Manning, continuing Reforms ascent from 50 to 60 seats, despite PC resurgence.
Joe Clark than lost 8 more seats, and Peter MacKay was their closing guy.
In the 1993 election, the ndp and progressive conservatives both suffered the worst defeats (the PCs in particular suffered the worst defeat of a political party in Canadian history and the worst defeat actually ever in the western world). Jean Charest and Alexa McDonough both in the 97 election won enough seats to show their parties were still relevant - Charest won 18 seats, McDonough won 12.
Unlike Maxine Bernier’s PPC which has so far been nothing more than a one person party essentially, Reform and later the Alliance managed to keep adding seats through 3 elections and after the decline of the PC Party became the new Conservative party in Canada during the 90s and early 2000s.
Charest has better English than Chretien or Duccepe, hard to believe he is a Fracophone.
@@broadstreet21 His mom was an Irish Canadian.
Damn this debate was so much better than the 2021 one.
15:09 we would ask what??????
The government to fuck us on employment
and at that moment, he knew he fucked up
Yeah, I can't find anything else on this. Why isn't this talked about?
Amazing that in this election, Jean Chretien won all but 2 seats in Ontario.
Conservative vote split. Plus Chretien in practice was conservative.
He won all but one of the seats in 1993 and all but 3 of the seats in 2000, that’s how he formed 3 consecutive majority governments
I didn't keno Gilles Duceppe could speak english LMAOOO
Peter Kent, it is unbelievable.
I think Jean Chretien did very well in this question.
What's truly amazing is that a country the size and diversity of Canada has been able to remain intact for so many generations.
Looking back at the 90's, these debates all revolved around taxes. The obsession with taxes was in vogue in the 90's. Taxes in and of themselves don't create nor kill jobs, and whether its a percent higher or lower with any given government doesn't effectively change much. It was an interesting time in politics, and this focus on taxes and relating it to jobs was a mistake. Conservatives never seem to appreciate that public leadership does help promote job creation and quality employment for many. Mr. Manning seems to think you cut a tax by a percent or two and jobs magically appear. Whether your razor blades at the dollar store cost $1.70 or $1.71 doesn't make a difference in the jobs market or ability to spend, yet the public has always gotten worked up over a minor 1% tax change (its what brought the Conservatives to power in Manitoba a few years back, the public revolted at a minor sales tax change), because leaders like Mr. Manning always leave misleading statements. Ah, the how we built the current era of divisive politics with these simple-stupid arguments.
Likewise, @1:47:00 Mr. Manning has his keep it simple-stupid solution for everything. Want to bring equality to aboriginal affairs? Just remove the gov't program altogether, let people fend for themselves. Then placate by saying "give them the tools..." well you can't do that without money and spending my friend.
Manitoba's GDP is around C$65 billion. If you really think that 1% of that, or 650 million, being taken out of the private sector doesn't make any difference, go back to school.
@@BrunoMalan As usual... Conservatives don't understand economics.
@@BTin416 What I don't understand is how someone can ask for extortion like you are doing.
@@BrunoMalan Its okay, you're perfectly capable of defeating your own statements. Its hilarious, thanks for the laugh!
@@Smozzle19 The carbon tax can be debated as to whether its the best policy to achieve the objective of lower carbon emissions (maybe it is ineffective and the tax needs to be abolished, I have no idea, maybe its working.. I do not have that answer); however, Conservatives need to be very careful blaming all inflation in Canada on it. Your food prices aren't going up because of a carbon tax. Food inflation, in fact, has been higher in the US where no carbon tax exists. So, the problem with Conservatism and the lie about taxation is that you guys will get into power, you will have blamed carbon taxes for all these problems, you have demonized it as the source of the problem you promise to have a quick fix for, then Cons have no means to fix the problems that exist with all of the obsession with a tax level here or there changing. I guarantee you, when 10 cents comes off the price of gas (along with the rebates people get to offset that cost), not much change is going to happen. Housing goes up. Food goes up. Gasoline providers will fill in the difference quite quickly. 10 little cents isn't going to mean much when you guys claw into power and defund needed services. Then people will hate you guys even more than Trudeau. Just watch... And note, I am not supporting Trudeau with these comments in the least. You guys really don't get the trap you're setting for yourselves. You can't fix a problem with a small tax change and more capitalism. Capitalism creates these problems, it has to change through other means. It would better serve you to realize that inflation is not caused by tax and government spending, but rather profit seeking in the private sector. Conservatives and capitalists (and Liberals alike, because Liberals are 95% the same) all blame government, but its private sector profit that drives inflation. It isn't a tax, it isn't the government causing economic problems. I do get amused that Conservatives hate Trudeau so personally and demonize him to the degree of unadulterated hate. Because Trudeau is so similar to the Conservatives. We have a housing crisis in Canada. His responses? Well just last week he cut taxes, the GST that rich, wealthy developers pay is now gone. That's his solution. That's 100% identical to the Conservatives. So, I mostly just laugh. The Conservatives and Liberals hate one another, yet are 95% the same. Its hilarious to watch.
The people will suffer under more of the same. We can't keep cutting taxes. Trudeau has lowered taxes more than he's installed new ones. Canada is a very low tax country. You can't cut your way into a better economy. Whether its the Conservative sellling you lies about carbon taxes, or the other capitalist party, its more of the same. We'd be better off with a shift and change away from this system.
GOOD FOR SOMEONE LIKE ME TO LEARN THE ENGLISH IN POLITICAL SCIENCE.
When you type in capitals, it comes across as if you're yelling.
+Mohamed Abdourahman *you're
Sorry about that I often mixed up your and you're.
all good lol.
I'm just being a grammar nazi.
Scheiße lol
Solid video of all the candidates.
46:26 Bam!
This was my favourite debate, Jean Chrétien telling Duceppe that the referedum question was a Lobster Trap .
Manning: "Bob Rae raised the taxes so high, he got voted as business man of the year... in Buffalo, New York". I'm dead lol
While it's true, I find it funny that he is saying that, because the Reform economic plans would have also pushed business overseas
@@unovayellow6953 False
17:40-18:10 Charest forgets how to count
PRESTON MANNING!!!
I can agree with him on economic issues, just not social issues.
And it’s honestly my same quarrel with liberals - I agree with them socially but not economically. I would be much more inclined to support conservatives if they just focused on fiscal responsibility without all the added extra social stuff, and same thing with liberals if they just focused on social issues and not on stuff like climate alarmism, defunding law enforcement, etc..
@@evanshiong3557 when have the conservatives in recent years ever focused on social issues? Harper never touched abortion or euthanasia when he was PM and the conservatives since the merger have been very clear that they won’t reopen these debates at the federal level. The last conservative government that touched the issue funnily enough was the PROGRESSIVE conservatives in 1991 when the Mulroney government tried to pass a restrictive abortion law that eventually was killed in the senate.
How did Duceppe last so long as Bloc leader? The party sank under his watch.
After 5 consecutive elections of winning a majority of seats in Quebec under his leadership.
@@devon6941 Of course, because Quebecers naturally vote Bloc, like Alberta's naturally vote conservative - almost no matter who the leader is. But nearly every time, the vote sank under his watch.
@@broadstreet21 the Bloc's share went up in 2000 and 2004. And Blanchet's vote percentage in 2019 hasn't matched one percentage Duceppe had pre 2011.
@@devon6941 2000 their popular vote went down but it wasn’t really their fault. People were unhappy with Lucien Bouchard’s government.
@@evanshiong3557 their popular vote percentage actually slightly increased on '97. But turnout was down.
Three Francophones, two Anglophones. That's what you will see.
Charest being a lightweight even back then
I'm honestly not surprised that Jean Chretien almost lost his majority after that election, his performance in that debate wasn't very good. I saw him debating quite well in others videos but here he wasn't at his best.
Chretien was good in debating in the House, but not in leaders debates. He actually bit the dust in 1993, and Campbell got all the attention.
well starting in the 90s sadly and what factors are to blame I invite anyone to tell me but it seemed starting in the 90s the screaming matches, the talking over one another, the passing the bucks, and the ever rightward shift with paying minimal lip service to social programs began. and I'm just always stunned how little difference there is between the Progressive conservatives later the Conservatives and the Liberal Party. Preston Manning for all the reputation he's gained as being far right is really just a libertarian unlike Maxime Bernier who is really far right and I liked his response on how to uplift First Nation communities. And though I'm sympathetic to Quebec independence why the Quebecers foisted Gilles Duceppe on us is beyond me I guess they were hoping if they sent the most annoying unhinged Quebec nationalists Canada would finally divorce Quebec? And once more if I had to vote for any leader or party it'd be the NDP and stunned they didn't become the largest third or second party under this leader and the last female leader they had. Jagmeet Singh and Mulcair are just 'ehhhh why you?".
If Jean Chretien were an MP today, he'd be a Conservative.
He’s still alive and still a liberal
@@OvidéBoily But he is no longer in the house. And it doesn't mean he agrees with everything Trudeau did as PM. Judging by his record, he would not do as Trudeau did, swinging to the far left and going woke. Or blowing so much public spending.
@@broadstreet21 Trudeau is maybe farther left than Chrétien or Turner, but not more so than his father. Chrétien is still a vocal supporter of the liberals, he doesn’t have to agree with everything Trudeau does to still be a liberal.
@@OvidéBoily Chretien might be a vocal liberal supporter, but his actions as PM say conservative.
@@OvidéBoily I think Justin Trudeau is further left than his father. Pierre Trudeau wasn't completely woke as PM. He also had been wary of implementing gun control or a full on welfare state.
Now in 2022 charest is running to lead the conservative party
And he failed
Charest is only born in 1958, younger than Trump. Yet he acts too old to use social media. Relies on debate performance and mainstream media to get his message out. Losing proposition. Poilievre actually out debated him big league. And he scored in social media. Most conservatives pay little attention to mainstream media.
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So many cheap shots. by @22:00 it's mostly hot air
"this country is being praised by the IMF" :blobthink:
~@2:00:00 success of team canada / hockey excuses liberal failure to achieve any of it its main aims
~@2:08:00 Reform got their recall of MP provision from the CCF
ReeefFFFOOOORrrrrrmmmmmm!!!!