The is probably the most accurate depiction of an ordination. The Vatican representative who assisted with the filming was Joseph Ratzinger,[2] later to become Pope Benedict XVI.
You know what is the best about this ? I haven't seen the movie, so I cannot figure out when it is supposed to take place. It's the eternity of the Holy Mass at its finest.
I didn’t know that this was a movie can you give me some information about it as to the name of the movie and where it’s available? Thank you very much.
@@maxkol4380 Hello protestant, i know the Vatican crisis right now but the Vatican is like a food, there is a good food and there is a bad food but we can't waste the food even though it is bad because it is God wills, God know what he is doing. -From fellow Ex-Sedevantist
@@crowbirdryuell You got it wrong, friend. I'm no protestant. If you think Koran kissing popes and Commie loving popes are good, then maybe you're the protestant.
The entrance chant, Introit is a version of the "Laetamini in Domino" Lets rejoice in the Lord. I doubt you will find it as a lot of these individual chants were only kept going because they were used. Since after the council the general norm was to follow the new guidelines, many pieces of chant which never put into books or officialised were lost. It may be around somewhere but I doubt you'll find it, if you like it maybe you can get some one to re-compose it, it won't be like the original but a lot of it will be present.
This is not tridentine 1962 Mass. This is The Traditional Catholic Latin Mass of the Roman Rite (Pre-55 rite; as distinguished to Pope Paul vi New Rite he pushed to SSPX Archbishop Lefebvre & others and now they call it tridentine???). So that people may know the difference.
@@lucindabunda2106 so, where i can found this Traditional Latin Mass in Catholic Church? Is Tridentine are very different from thid Traditional Latin Mass?
skirts365 I’d say that’s un-Christian of you to say that but, then again, if you were REALLY a Christian you’d be Catholic. BTW: your heretic horde will march down the Garavaghy Rd over my dead body and Celtic are going 10 in a row!🖕
BERTIL SCALI Priests who are pedophiles is sort of like atheists who are fat, dorito-eating, pot-smoking, fedora-wearing, arrogant neckbeards who live in their parents basement until their 35 - most are too good for that shit, but those who aren't are disgusting and a tad bit annoying.
How could anyone not be moved by this, movie scene thought it might be. I am not Catholic (at least in the sense most Catholics would view the term today) and even I AM moved to desire the Catholic priesthood when viewing such splendor. To the comment on this thread that associated the priesthood with a den of pedophiles - you are both right and wrong. No doubt the Catholic priesthood, Protestant ministry, Jewish Rabbinate, Muslim Imanate, Orthodox priesthood, Hindu Brahminate and Sadhu-hood, and Buddhist monk-hood and priesthood have their fair share of predators. There are always predators where a power-differential exists whether in the religious realm or the secular. I and other people moved by scenes similar to this one share your anger, rage, and disgust at hearing of religious or secular authority figures, parents - anyone with the ostensible commission to help safe-guard, teach, and guide children or anyone of any age - not only failing at their duty of development and helpful guidance but abusing, tormenting, torturing, and hurting their charges. There are many Catholic priests who share your disgust as well I am sure. However, to me at least, this interlude - aesthetically, vocally, and musically - represents the best of what religious duty SHOULD be - the FARTHEST thing from bent clergy or "bent" anyone. It is beauty for its own sake and that is why I enjoy seeing it and why it is so compelling and wonderful.
This is from the movie THe Cardinal. One of the best movies following a young man as a priest to monsignor to bishop and finally to the college of cardinals. If you have not seen the full The Cardinal, it is available. Pax+
I would personally contest the claim that it brings favor to God. And Lefebvre needed to in order to keep the Society to its chrism. The pope was putting him in an impossible position. It had to be done.
In 1963 they filmed this with the permission of the Abbot Don Nivardo Buttarazzi at the Abbey at Casamari, near Rome. Don Raffaele scaccia the Prior and others helped out. Notice even the wounded WWI soldiers in the front pew. A great moment in motion picture history.
That is not going to happen while Pope Francis sits on the papal throne. He is no lover of the traditional Latin Mass. He is doing his best to suppress it and using the stick of obedience to him to get us to accept change.
I miss the Latin Mass. I got so sick of Novus Ordo, guitar "Masses", and women all over the altar that I went to the Melkite Church, one of the Byzantine Catholic Churches. At least they preserve Holy Tradition.
@@dwightschrute900 Thank you. Many Orthodox and Eastern Catholic parishes have seen large groups of Latins going to their churches because they want God-centered Liturgies. The present Novus Ordo liturgies are disasters.
Infallible means he is only infallible when promulgating a de fide dogma, not any other time. The Holy Ghost does not protect anyone from all other sin, including a pope.
The duties and rights are enumerated. In the clip, the bishop tells him at the anointing of the hands that what he consecrastes is consecrated., what he blesses is blessed and gives him the power to offer the Sacrifice to Almighty God. Not in the movie but also listed is the power to forgive sin (in Confession), etc.
I met pope john paul the second in yonkers ny many years ago. I was a guard he spend a few seconds with everyone he could it was very hard on him. God bless him
Splendida cerimonia, che evoca la suggestione dell'antico rito di ordinazione presbiterale. Per quanto mi è dato capire, molto fedele al cerimoniale previsto e alle rubriche... Scrivo in italiano, spero qualcuno capisca. Molto bello il film, bravi i protagonisti...un vero capolavoro nel suo genere!
Hallo. Ja, es ist eine Stola. aber es ist anders für Diakone und für Priester. Priester tragen ihre Stolen vor sich, während Diakone sie an der Seite tragen. Hoffe das der Deutsche richtig ist. Ich habe Google Übersetzer verwendet
The Abbatial Cathedral Basilica of Casamari (Conciliar Region of Lazio, Italy), Cistercian Order. This Cathedral Basilica is dedied to the Most Blessed Virgin Mary and to Saint Martys John and Paul and it's one of most beautiful Churches in gothic style of the World.
I love this movie! The only problem for me is I CAN'T find it!!!! I went go different video stores, either they never have heard of it, or it never made to DVD. So if anyone out there by any chance know somewhere it can be found I would like to know. The movie is called The Cardinal.
what happens when a bull is reversed by a later bull? also, where do you find people who are obedient to paul the IV, without getting round trip tickets to the midwest? do you simply not attend any high/low mass?
Additions made after 1570 do not affect the perpetual Matter & Form of the sacraments of Pius V, but are included in the Liturgical Year, which is slightly different in Ireland, France, & other missals showing particular Feast Days for other countries. The Office is not the Mass, which cannot be changed.
@dacatholicbandorgan The directors of the film hired a Benedictine monk to be the master of ceremonies in the acting. Hence why its so accurate. So sad we've lost all this beautiful ceremony. The newer rites of ordination are a farce in comparison to this.
The Cardinal by Henry Morton Robinson (1950) upon which the movie is based is a great book as well--an account of American Catholicism in the first half of the 20th century.
I know the processional Hymn is called Laetamini In Domino by Galletti. Its a beautiful composition. Anyone have any idea what the name of the 'Tu es Sacerdos in Eternum' piece is, or who is the composer. would really like to get my hands on the Music.
What fractures validity is Matter and Form which is the perpetual construction (words & signs) of the Mass & Sacraments. Montini changed all 7 sacraments & invalidated them. This is what Fr. Cekada shows in Work of Human Hands. Maybe watch those videos again?
@DeusMisereremei Ti ringrazio per aver apprezzato il mio commento, che può ritenersi valido anche per il rito dell'ordinazione episcopale presente nel medesimo film; persino l'uso della mitra aurifregiata è stato rispettato... Quanta nostalgia però, per una chiesa che, purtroppo non c'è più, nonostante gli sforzi di Benedetto XVI che parla di ermeneutica della continutà. Sono davvero pochi a seguirlo. C'è stato, come dice lo stesso Pontefice, il crollo della liturgia; che peccato!
Various other saints are feast days are held in other Countries, these are not changes to the Canon of Mass. Pope Clement did not make changes to the Canon of Mass. It is the Canon to which is addressed validity or invalidity. It is a question of what is "more informed" not "likability." It is expected Trent Catholics are to be hated.
One does not simply pick and choose which councils they like and do not like. VII is a valid as Trent. Both forms are valid in the Latin rite so don`t try to cause division were it does not need to be. Any catholic can go to any liturgy in any rite under the pope, so if you are unhappy with the NO go to an EF or eastern catholic parish, just don`t tell people that a Holy Council of the Church is wrong.If the council was wrong the Holy Ghost would have stopped it.
@@MegaFREAK313 Vatican 2 was diabolical council that had only one task - to destroy Holy Mother Church, the last light in the world back then (in 60'). One must reject it, same with its "popes" otherwise ya'll be damned.
@@larrygraysmith8411 Luther thought the same thing and just see where that lead. Be well aware that he and all the heretics and enemies of the holy see before and after him also thought they were continuing the true faith, they used their rationality and they followed their conscience just like you are doing. Be aware that half of your rage against VII is a rage against the modern world. Your heart is in the right place, but so was the heart of most of those who left the faith and the church.
@@MegaFREAK313 Luther was utter heretic who denied evry aspect of Catholic teaching. I do not. Are ya aware that V2 teaches that muslims worship same God as we do? That they can be saved in their religion? That protestants sects are means of salvation? V2 teaches freedom of religion, condemned by the Church. And many many more. Yes, I hate today modern world, but that s okay. Every Catholic should hate today world, since this world is controled by the Devil.
@ioannessonnen Motion picture history maybe, but in a consecrated church, no films should be made about simulations or re-enactments of the most holy Sacraments. That is my opinion. It is nevertheless touching, but that is merely emotions. Canonically, this re-enactment should be forbidden. Let them videotape a real Ordination in the same immemorial rites of the Holy Roman Church.
At this point, is it even authorized to do something like that ? I mean, it's the same, way too realistic, isn't it somethings we shouldn't do ? Reproduce a mass or any sacraments in the intention of not doing it ? Did they not actually did it in real circumstances or is it just actors ? Because i recall reading in the catechism that somethings like this shouldn't be done, i might be wrong, but this is truly beautiful and how things should be
The Holy Ghost prevents the Church from teaching doubtful theology, not from chronic error & usage. Even then, the intention of the priest was not "doubtful" or heretical, but guaranteed prior to de Defectibus by the words of Christ to "be with..." The old rites are now abrogated never to be restored as Montini did. Montini unpoped himself.
Yes, of course they are depicting valid sacrament of Ordination, in 1963 Montini had not yet invalidated the Rite and changed the Matter & Form. He didn't do that until 1967. So this depiction is the Trent Ordination of 1570, consistent with the words & matter codified in perpetuity by Pope St. Pius V. In perpetuity, to Montini, only meant "until he changed it."
Papal infallibility is limited to proclamations on faith and morals, not on every pastoral decision. Also, comparing Trent to VII is not quite right. Trent is a Dogmatic Council, as such, the decrees are binding and one cannot deny any of its proclamations without becoming a heretic. VII is a council of PURELY PASTORAL NATURE as was emphasized by Pope John XXIII (who convened the council) and Pope Paul VI (who promulgated the decrees of the council).
No pope, not even Christ Himself, can change what His Vicar codifies as perpetual, and which His Vicar declares is so with an anathema to prevent any successors from alterations of the perpetual declaration as a de fide teaching. No one can change Quo Primum, the Mass or the Matter & Form of the Sacraments.
Names laity ignore: Coronata, Iragui, Badii, Prummer, Wernz, Vidal, Beste, Vermeersch, Creusen & Regatillo, the recognized authorities before V-2: Citations such as, "any prelate in heresy loses office " Paul IV,1559, "Cum ex..." "He who does not believe is already judged." Pope Innocent III (1198) "A pope would separates by heresy & ceases as head." Vat. 1870, "A pope in heresy...falls from pontificate." Liguori 1787 "A pope heretic (per se) ceases to be pope..." Bellarmine 1610.
"Unhold?" "Pius V quotes Aquinas as doctor --then defines his words in magisterial authority to be used sacramentally." He made the FORM de fide and perpetual. I think you drank too much novus poison.
That IS HOW de fide applies. No invalidating "changes" can ever again be used once declared invalid. It's over. Too bad that Novus Ordo ruined a billion from holding the Faith. It didn't take much for you to dump it.
The rites of the Roman Rite ordination are correct. Still I fear, they used a really consecrated church building to re-enact. And this is not worthy in fundament. The Holy Mass, nor the Holy Priesthood, can be "re-enacted" for movies. Despite good intentions....
Of course he can--and MUST. The case BEGINS right there--it is all about perpetuity, Christ does not take back a perpetual duty. What is promulgated remains forever. It is necessary to understand when a document is declared perpetual--when it has the Anathema "against anyone changing it lest he be chastised by SS. Peter & Paul." This to the real case, the perpetual Trent Sacraments--which Montini destroyed by writing his own. Who gave him permission? Where are Christ's words to that effect?
All Sacramental FORM is known in the open forum by the words. Sacraments are outward VISIBLE SIGNS instituted by Christ to give Grace. An interior motive to b ot bestow a sacraments cannot be known without the visible invalidating change in words. Witnessable words verify validity, as long as Matter of the Sacrament is also appropriate to validity, i.e., "ordinary water" "absolve te" "holy chrism" "'for many'" "ut" "quid quid" "nuptial mass." All 7 are visible validating signs & vocal words.
The Pope is infallible, so the Holy Spirit will stop him from erring in doctrine and liturgy. If the second Vatican council was wrong the Holy Spirit would not have allowed it to happen. Also Eastern Churches celebrated without the Liturgy of Trent yet remained in full communion with the pope. They even have saints recognized by the Latin rite. Church History: read it before commenting.
A pope in speaking from the chair is indefectible. There's a promulgated de fide doctrine on infallible. You have to hold that, too. What a pope says in casual conversation is as subject to error as any of the Faithful. Novus Ordo no longer hold infallibililty, ex cathedra, or de fide and have lost the Faith.
I’m blessed to belong to a parish that does the traditional Latin mass in pre 1955 rubrics. It’s so beautiful.
What parish is that?
@@shanelibuna1213 Mount St. Michael’s in Spokane Washington.
lucky you. for the rest of us, it's novus ordo, with priests wearing running shoes in the summer and no socks. very spiritual no doubt.
Oh is it ICKSP?
@@psychedelicpython based
The is probably the most accurate depiction of an ordination. The Vatican representative who assisted with the filming was Joseph Ratzinger,[2] later to become Pope Benedict XVI.
It is indeed! I've read the rubrics, and this depiction is very accurate.
What is wrong is the procession. No priests never came running down the aisle like that
@@EvocatusX I was thinking the same thing, as a chorister, in my cassock I would trip.
How about the movie Becket? That one has an accurate scene of ordination, right?
@@wandererofclouds That's a consecration of a bishop
You know what is the best about this ? I haven't seen the movie, so I cannot figure out when it is supposed to take place. It's the eternity of the Holy Mass at its finest.
How could anyone feel the need to change this magnificent rite of the Catholic Church. The greatest blunder in the history of the church.
@@notnek202 The Devil had to do that
I didn’t know that this was a movie can you give me some information about it as to the name of the movie and where it’s available? Thank you very much.
@@Navygrl58 it’s called the Cardinal - 1963. You can probably find it on RUclips
Sodom and Gomorrah. God Is Love, not lust which is sin.
What we have lost... 😢😢😢
Very sad.
It's really not lost. "A remnant remains". There are Traditionalist parishes in most dioceses nowadays. I say stay away from the Vatican II sect.
@@maxkol4380 Hello protestant, i know the Vatican crisis right now but the Vatican is like a food, there is a good food and there is a bad food but we can't waste the food even though it is bad because it is God wills, God know what he is doing.
-From fellow Ex-Sedevantist
@@crowbirdryuell You got it wrong, friend. I'm no protestant. If you think Koran kissing popes and Commie loving popes are good, then maybe you're the protestant.
@@maxkol4380 ok protestant sedevecantist
The entrance chant, Introit is a version of the "Laetamini in Domino" Lets rejoice in the Lord. I doubt you will find it as a lot of these individual chants were only kept going because they were used. Since after the council the general norm was to follow the new guidelines, many pieces of chant which never put into books or officialised were lost. It may be around somewhere but I doubt you'll find it, if you like it maybe you can get some one to re-compose it, it won't be like the original but a lot of it will be present.
Esiste una versione simile su RUclips, il video si chiama:
“Laetamini in Domino - Salvatore Gallotti”.
This is very beautiful!Long live Tridentine Latin Mass!Greetings from Catholic Poland! :) A.M.D.G.
This is not tridentine 1962 Mass.
This is The Traditional Catholic Latin Mass of the Roman Rite (Pre-55 rite; as distinguished to Pope Paul vi New Rite he pushed to SSPX Archbishop Lefebvre & others and now they call it tridentine???). So that people may know the difference.
@Janette Davis it is a movie but the Holy Mass is real.
@@lucindabunda2106 so, where i can found this Traditional Latin Mass in Catholic Church? Is Tridentine are very different from thid Traditional Latin Mass?
@@hesselfridyanto , basically the same rite!
Polska łączmy się. W Tradycji Katolickiej.
It's amazing how accurately they had them in every detail, not lost anything.
Martin Luther and 26 of his students from the University in Wittenberg disliked this video
Who put gluten in your muffin?
skirts365 I’d say that’s un-Christian of you to say that but, then again, if you were REALLY a Christian you’d be Catholic. BTW: your heretic horde will march down the Garavaghy Rd over my dead body and Celtic are going 10 in a row!🖕
And 26 more freemasons
Who cares?
@@christineriegler5854 1700 people who likes this video and the 56 who didn't.
That procession is so fast tho
That's the roman way.
It actually is faster than what the real one would be
jes, it is error of film
There should not be any dislikes in this video.
BERTIL SCALI Priests who are pedophiles is sort of like atheists who are fat, dorito-eating, pot-smoking, fedora-wearing, arrogant neckbeards who live in their parents basement until their 35 - most are too good for that shit, but those who aren't are disgusting and a tad bit annoying.
They are atheist, anti-Catholics, protestants and muslims
shush Heretic!
You are right but satan is everpresent and has it's worshipers.
How could anyone not be moved by this, movie scene thought it might be. I am not Catholic (at least in the sense most Catholics would view the term today) and even I AM moved to desire the Catholic priesthood when viewing such splendor. To the comment on this thread that associated the priesthood with a den of pedophiles - you are both right and wrong. No doubt the Catholic priesthood, Protestant ministry, Jewish Rabbinate, Muslim Imanate, Orthodox priesthood, Hindu Brahminate and Sadhu-hood, and Buddhist monk-hood and priesthood have their fair share of predators. There are always predators where a power-differential exists whether in the religious realm or the secular. I and other people moved by scenes similar to this one share your anger, rage, and disgust at hearing of religious or secular authority figures, parents - anyone with the ostensible commission to help safe-guard, teach, and guide children or anyone of any age - not only failing at their duty of development and helpful guidance but abusing, tormenting, torturing, and hurting their charges. There are many Catholic priests who share your disgust as well I am sure. However, to me at least, this interlude - aesthetically, vocally, and musically - represents the best of what religious duty SHOULD be - the FARTHEST thing from bent clergy or "bent" anyone. It is beauty for its own sake and that is why I enjoy seeing it and why it is so compelling and wonderful.
This is from the movie THe Cardinal. One of the best movies following a young man as a priest to monsignor to bishop and finally to the college of cardinals.
If you have not seen the full The Cardinal, it is available.
Pax+
If you want this back, attend your local traditional parish and support them as much as you can.
My FSSP parish is like this
So are the SSPX and ICKSP
No they are both strong theologically
I would personally contest the claim that it brings favor to God. And Lefebvre needed to in order to keep the Society to its chrism. The pope was putting him in an impossible position. It had to be done.
Justin Chrysostom Lefebvre was loyal to the Papacy, the immortal papacy. Not to any particular pope.
@@Eilbheis And the Sedevacantist Groups.
In 1963 they filmed this with the permission of the Abbot Don Nivardo Buttarazzi at the Abbey at Casamari, near Rome. Don Raffaele scaccia the Prior and others helped out. Notice even the wounded WWI soldiers in the front pew. A great moment in motion picture history.
Tridentine mass should be back for all the Church!
That is not going to happen while Pope Francis sits on the papal throne. He is no lover of the traditional Latin Mass. He is doing his best to suppress it and using the stick of obedience to him to get us to accept change.
I miss the Latin Mass. I got so sick of Novus Ordo, guitar "Masses", and women all over the altar that I went to the Melkite Church, one of the Byzantine Catholic Churches. At least they preserve Holy Tradition.
I’m glad you were able to find a good parish.
@@dwightschrute900 Thank you. Many Orthodox and Eastern Catholic parishes have seen large groups of Latins going to their churches because they want God-centered Liturgies. The present Novus Ordo liturgies are disasters.
Maybe you will go to FSSPX?
@@karolcegielski8880 No. I will stay with the Melkite Church.
@@karolcegielski8880 there's the SSPV and CMRI. I attend a CMRI parish and love it.
Guys do you know the titles of the piece played during entrance procession and during the anointing of oil?
Infallible means he is only infallible when promulgating a de fide dogma, not any other time. The Holy Ghost does not protect anyone from all other sin, including a pope.
Isso é católico! Genuinamente católico!
What are the prayers said in the Traditional Rite of Ordination? (In Latin)
Aquí las tienes todas: www.liturgialatina.org/pontificale/000.htm
The duties and rights are enumerated. In the clip, the bishop tells him at the anointing of the hands that what he consecrastes is consecrated., what he blesses is blessed and gives him the power to offer the Sacrifice to Almighty God. Not in the movie but also listed is the power to forgive sin (in Confession), etc.
Let Holy Father return venerable Trident Mass
I met pope john paul the second in yonkers ny many years ago. I was a guard he spend a few seconds with everyone he could it was very hard on him. God bless him
Ioannes Paulus II
@@junesilvermanb2979 What does that mean. I know that the Allah worshipper is in Hell.
Anyone knows the name and componist of the song sung at the entrance procession?
Splendida cerimonia, che evoca la suggestione dell'antico rito di ordinazione presbiterale.
Per quanto mi è dato capire, molto fedele al cerimoniale previsto e alle rubriche...
Scrivo in italiano, spero qualcuno capisca.
Molto bello il film, bravi i protagonisti...un vero capolavoro nel suo genere!
84ulisse xxesattamente la cerimonia alla quale ho assistito nella basilica del santo Sepolcro a Gerusalemme, Palestina Quattro anni fa
bei 1:30 tragen die priesteramtsanwärter so eine schärpe. ist das eine stola?
übrigens echt beeindruckend was du alles weißt. woher hast du das alles
Hallo. Ja, es ist eine Stola. aber es ist anders für Diakone und für Priester. Priester tragen ihre Stolen vor sich, während Diakone sie an der Seite tragen. Hoffe das der Deutsche richtig ist. Ich habe Google Übersetzer verwendet
Wie heißt denn dieser Film und gibt es ihn auch auf deutsch?
Please pray for me, I am experiencing severe health problems, and need all of the help that I can get...
Thank You, and may God bless you all...
Who composed this "Laetamini in Domino"?
Gloria tibi sancta Ecclesia!
Are processions actually ever that fast?
Michael
Not really, the latin mass I attended in seattle the procession went super slow.
They're almost jogging lol
Very Beautiful History Film.God Bless you.
What movie is this someone pleaseee? Would love to watch this..
"The Cardinal" 1963
The Abbatial Cathedral Basilica of Casamari (Conciliar Region of Lazio, Italy), Cistercian Order. This Cathedral Basilica is dedied to the Most Blessed Virgin Mary and to Saint Martys John and Paul and it's one of most beautiful Churches in gothic style of the World.
Those Accolytes are walking really FAST!
It’s beautiful 🙏🏼
Magnifique ! 🤩
I love this movie! The only problem for me is I CAN'T find it!!!! I went go different video stores, either they never have heard of it, or it never made to DVD. So if anyone out there by any chance know somewhere it can be found I would like to know.
The movie is called The Cardinal.
what happens when a bull is reversed by a later bull? also, where do you find people who are obedient to paul the IV, without getting round trip tickets to the midwest? do you simply not attend any high/low mass?
como se llama está película. What is the name of this movie?
+gabriel cordero El Cardenal
gloria.tv/video/hrDNT9yaaVR
gabriel cordero “The Cardinal,” directed by Otto Preminger
I hope that one day we catholic would become stronger and encourage our brothers and sisters who are from other religion.
Please elaborate further about the "encourage our brother ans sister from other religion" ?
name of entrance hymn?
Laetamini in Domino - Gallotti
ruclips.net/video/LhgAjMIY5fs/видео.html
Additions made after 1570 do not affect the perpetual Matter & Form of the sacraments of Pius V, but are included in the Liturgical Year, which is slightly different in Ireland, France, & other missals showing particular Feast Days for other countries. The Office is not the Mass, which cannot be changed.
@84ulisse che film è? :-(
which song is?
Che film è? What film is it this?
Please, does anyone know the composer of that "Laetamini in Domino" which is sung in the beginning of the video?
Anyone has a link for this movie? Or downloading site?
ruclips.net/video/y-cce9QQIG0/видео.html
Your contribution is duly noted. II will ask Fr. C. when he returns from N.M. Do you want him to call you?
Anyone knows the name of the first song, or who composed it?
@dacatholicbandorgan
The directors of the film hired a Benedictine monk to be the master of ceremonies in the acting. Hence why its so accurate.
So sad we've lost all this beautiful ceremony. The newer rites of ordination are a farce in comparison to this.
The Cardinal by Henry Morton Robinson (1950) upon which the movie is based is a great book as well--an account of American Catholicism in the first half of the 20th century.
This film is very beautiful.;)
Onde que posso encontrar esse Rito de Ordenação ( Algum Site ).
Agradeço se alguém poder responder.
Is it possible to find the parth of this "Laetamini in Domino" and "Tu es sacerdos"?
ruclips.net/video/LhgAjMIY5fs/видео.html
What is the title of that processional song?
Laetamini in Domino - Gallotti
ruclips.net/video/LhgAjMIY5fs/видео.html
I know the processional Hymn is called Laetamini In Domino by Galletti. Its a beautiful composition. Anyone have any idea what the name of the 'Tu es Sacerdos in Eternum' piece is, or who is the composer. would really like to get my hands on the Music.
I wish this song will serve as my Entrance Hymn for my Ordination
What fractures validity is Matter and Form which is the perpetual construction (words & signs) of the Mass & Sacraments. Montini changed all 7 sacraments & invalidated them. This is what Fr. Cekada shows in Work of Human Hands. Maybe watch those videos again?
@DeusMisereremei
Ti ringrazio per aver apprezzato il mio commento, che può ritenersi valido anche per il rito dell'ordinazione episcopale presente nel medesimo film; persino l'uso della mitra aurifregiata è stato rispettato...
Quanta nostalgia però, per una chiesa che, purtroppo non c'è più, nonostante gli sforzi di Benedetto XVI che parla di ermeneutica della continutà. Sono davvero pochi a seguirlo. C'è stato, come dice lo stesso Pontefice, il crollo della liturgia; che peccato!
This is a great movie. It's very long, watch it on a rainy day. Loved it.
Please what movie is this brother?
Everything is as it should be...
What movie is this?
The Cardinal, from 1963
Nossa, que lindo!!!
Who's here after Traditionis Custodes??? Thanks God for SSPX.
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Various other saints are feast days are held in other Countries, these are not changes to the Canon of Mass. Pope Clement did not make changes to the Canon of Mass. It is the Canon to which is addressed validity or invalidity. It is a question of what is "more informed" not "likability." It is expected Trent Catholics are to be hated.
One does not simply pick and choose which councils they like and do not like. VII is a valid as Trent. Both forms are valid in the Latin rite so don`t try to cause division were it does not need to be. Any catholic can go to any liturgy in any rite under the pope, so if you are unhappy with the NO go to an EF or eastern catholic parish, just don`t tell people that a Holy Council of the Church is wrong.If the council was wrong the Holy Ghost would have stopped it.
The council was legitimate but it's still wrong
@@MegaFREAK313 Vatican 2 was diabolical council that had only one task - to destroy Holy Mother Church, the last light in the world back then (in 60'). One must reject it, same with its "popes" otherwise ya'll be damned.
@@larrygraysmith8411 Luther thought the same thing and just see where that lead. Be well aware that he and all the heretics and enemies of the holy see before and after him also thought they were continuing the true faith, they used their rationality and they followed their conscience just like you are doing. Be aware that half of your rage against VII is a rage against the modern world. Your heart is in the right place, but so was the heart of most of those who left the faith and the church.
@@MegaFREAK313 Luther was utter heretic who denied evry aspect of Catholic teaching. I do not.
Are ya aware that V2 teaches that muslims worship same God as we do? That they can be saved in their religion? That protestants sects are means of salvation? V2 teaches freedom of religion, condemned by the Church. And many many more.
Yes, I hate today modern world, but that s okay. Every Catholic should hate today world, since this world is controled by the Devil.
@ioannessonnen Motion picture history maybe, but in a consecrated church, no films should be made about simulations or re-enactments of the most holy Sacraments. That is my opinion. It is nevertheless touching, but that is merely emotions. Canonically, this re-enactment should be forbidden. Let them videotape a real Ordination in the same immemorial rites of the Holy Roman Church.
Why is the Bishop not wearing a maniple?
Bishop dons the maniple after prayers at the foot.
@@michaelrex6948 Thanks for that, I didn't think that Benedict XV1 (as he wasn't then) would get it wrong, as he was the ecclesiastical advisor.
At this point, is it even authorized to do something like that ?
I mean, it's the same, way too realistic, isn't it somethings we shouldn't do ? Reproduce a mass or any sacraments in the intention of not doing it ?
Did they not actually did it in real circumstances or is it just actors ?
Because i recall reading in the catechism that somethings like this shouldn't be done, i might be wrong, but this is truly beautiful and how things should be
Great movie.
Latin beautiful
Language
"Ad Maiora Semper"!
The Holy Ghost prevents the Church from teaching doubtful theology, not from chronic error & usage. Even then, the intention of the priest was not "doubtful" or heretical, but guaranteed prior to de Defectibus by the words of Christ to "be with..." The old rites are now abrogated never to be restored as Montini did. Montini unpoped himself.
Main actor Tom Tyron. If you want to know about him try Google you will be very surprised.
@84ulisse grazie mille per l'informazione :-)
@bele92 La scena è tratta dal film " Il cardinale " del 1963
por que os bispos nos abandonaram?
Its sad but true. God bless you Carlos.
Yes, of course they are depicting valid sacrament of Ordination, in 1963 Montini had not yet invalidated the Rite and changed the Matter & Form. He didn't do that until 1967. So this depiction is the Trent Ordination of 1570, consistent with the words & matter codified in perpetuity by Pope St. Pius V. In perpetuity, to Montini, only meant "until he changed it."
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When ceremonies were held in Latin.
Papal infallibility is limited to proclamations on faith and morals, not on every pastoral decision. Also, comparing Trent to VII is not quite right. Trent is a Dogmatic Council, as such, the decrees are binding and one cannot deny any of its proclamations without becoming a heretic. VII is a council of PURELY PASTORAL NATURE as was emphasized by Pope John XXIII (who convened the council) and Pope Paul VI (who promulgated the decrees of the council).
Where are the guitars, the felt banners, Eucharistic ministers, altar girls, and rainbow vestments? This clericalism has to stop.
They had all probably overslept !!
I don't like how the altarboys are practically stampeding to the altar. What ever happened to a slow processional? XD lol
film bellissimo che sto cercando da una vita ma che non trovo se qualcuno sa dove trovarlo mi farebbe un bel regalo
No pope, not even Christ Himself, can change what His Vicar codifies as perpetual, and which His Vicar declares is so with an anathema to prevent any successors from alterations of the perpetual declaration as a de fide teaching. No one can change Quo Primum, the Mass or the Matter & Form of the Sacraments.
Names laity ignore: Coronata, Iragui, Badii, Prummer, Wernz, Vidal, Beste, Vermeersch, Creusen & Regatillo, the recognized authorities before V-2: Citations such as, "any prelate in heresy loses office " Paul IV,1559, "Cum ex..." "He who does not believe is already judged." Pope Innocent III (1198)
"A pope would separates by heresy & ceases as head." Vat. 1870,
"A pope in heresy...falls from pontificate." Liguori 1787
"A pope heretic (per se) ceases to be pope..." Bellarmine 1610.
"Unhold?" "Pius V quotes Aquinas as doctor --then defines his words in magisterial authority to be used sacramentally." He made the FORM de fide and perpetual. I think you drank too much novus poison.
That IS HOW de fide applies. No invalidating "changes" can ever again be used once declared invalid. It's over. Too bad that Novus Ordo ruined a billion from holding the Faith. It didn't take much for you to dump it.
26 modernists disliked.
The rites of the Roman Rite ordination are correct. Still I fear, they used a really consecrated church building to re-enact. And this is not worthy in fundament. The Holy Mass, nor the Holy Priesthood, can be "re-enacted" for movies. Despite good intentions....
why does the bishop have goves on hs hands
Of course he can--and MUST. The case BEGINS right there--it is all about perpetuity, Christ does not take back a perpetual duty. What is promulgated remains forever. It is necessary to understand when a document is declared perpetual--when it has the Anathema "against anyone changing it lest he be chastised by SS. Peter & Paul." This to the real case, the perpetual Trent Sacraments--which Montini destroyed by writing his own. Who gave him permission? Where are Christ's words to that effect?
"Oceana" does not comprise a de fide dogma, only a mere adminisstrative event.
It's a movie!
very intresting
Mosenhor Lefebvre ora pro nobis.
All Sacramental FORM is known in the open forum by the words. Sacraments are outward VISIBLE SIGNS instituted by Christ to give Grace. An interior motive to b
ot bestow a sacraments cannot be known without the visible invalidating change in words. Witnessable words verify validity, as long as Matter of the Sacrament is also appropriate to validity, i.e., "ordinary water" "absolve te" "holy chrism" "'for many'" "ut" "quid quid" "nuptial mass." All 7 are visible validating signs & vocal words.
This most noble rite has been destroyed in the Vatican 2 church
Still preserved in the Catholic Church lead by its remaining bishops and even by schismatics (they are illicit though)
The Pope is infallible, so the Holy Spirit will stop him from erring in doctrine and liturgy. If the second Vatican council was wrong the Holy Spirit would not have allowed it to happen. Also Eastern Churches celebrated without the Liturgy of Trent yet remained in full communion with the pope. They even have saints recognized by the Latin rite. Church History: read it before commenting.
A pope in speaking from the chair is indefectible. There's a promulgated de fide doctrine on infallible. You have to hold that, too. What a pope says in casual conversation is as subject to error as any of the Faithful. Novus Ordo no longer hold infallibililty, ex cathedra, or de fide and have lost the Faith.