Had a Soldier in my company get into a fight. We walked them into see the BC and all he asked was "Well, did you win?" Nothing else came of it. Iron Rangers!
In 1984 I knew a SSG with 16 years in the military, he was one of the best NCO, s I ever served with . He always scored 300 on his pt test . Unfortunately, he was just a big guy and I watched them chapter this good man out of the Army with only 4 years to retirement. Totally disgusted me watching what they did to him and his family . I was a E5 at the time and when my ETS date came up they wanted me to re enlist . I chose to get out due to what I saw them do to this good man . 2 years later I joined the National Guard and ended up doing 30 years all together retiring as a SFC with 3 deployments. I would have stayed in the RA if they hadn't totaly screwed my freind over .
i knew a staff as well back in '86 , 18 1/2 years, a Vietnam vet, got busted down to E=5, E-4 and chaptered out as an E-3 in Ft Campbell KY. it was heart breaking to see him go out like that.
@@jvolstad no, the story was he had rental furniture and he moved it without letting the rental company know he moved it, and they pressed the chain of command, if that was really the case, the chain of command had it in for him., sad part was, he lived in the barracks.
I appreciate your loyalty to your friend and your service to our country. Its sounds like there should be a system of protection against these witch-hunts on a Division level.
If you plan on joining the Army Christopher Chaos is THE go-to channel. Everything he discusses is spot on. I know from personal experience, I said it once and I will say it again. Your channel has by far the most reliable information when it comes to basic run-downs of army life.
@@Madashell1200 Wtf more do you want? If you can't go without doing drugs to do your job, then don't join the fucking military?? Like, what other solution do you think there is?
My unit had a guy who was the most squared away 11c in the battalion. His mom had cancer and he wanted to leave . In the span of four months he got a face tattoo, told off the sgt major, refused to work , pissed hot and had three article 15s . They forced him to go to NTC before he could leave and he still got a honorable discharge. It is really hard to get kicked out.
Just because that happened the way it did with that 11C, does NOT mean that is how the entire army operates and is thus “really hard to get kicked out.” I’ve personally seen junior soldiers get kicked out for WAYYY minor offenses than the list of things that 11C did. That’s literally once in a blue moon. To say he was lucky is an understatement. But please, don’t try to use that as an example of how hard it is to get kicked out of the army. It’s simply not true and incredibly misleading. It also kind of gives the army a bad rep.
Something similar like that happened at Bragg, in ‘96, his mom was sick with a terminal disease, and his sister passed away, he asked for a compassionate reassignment, was told “no”, then he started the dressing in ladies clothes, after “no” again, then the article 15’s came, and then one day dude just got up left and went AWOL.
Largest thing I’ve seen after drugs was PT failure. Have had numerous soldiers fail a dozen times before getting kicked out, it was obvious it was on purpose after the 3rd time
This happened in the rok army. My platoon Sgt. got kicked out for gambling. Well not officially for gambling but he kept on borrowing money from the Jr. Enlisted soldiers and was not paying back. Then some soldiers reported that. Turns out he has been borrowing money from a lot more individuals than what we expected.
My nephew got kicked out with a general discharge because his wife was collecting housing pay while living on base housing. He's very successful now only because employers don't check military records
There's really no way to "cleanse" drugs from your system other than time. This is the biggest issue for lovers of the Devil's Lettuce, which can be detected for up to a month depending on usage and individual metabolism. @Chief Drumo, if you drink massive amounts of water the day of the test, it can dilute THC metabolites to an undetectable level. However, the drug test industry has caught up with this. Labs will fail or ask to retest if your urine is "too clear". When they analyze your sample they look for concentration of compounds usually found in urine. The "Cleansing" products that head shops sell contain a high enough concentration of what gets diluted to allow your sample to appear normal. If you were in more than 25 years ago, this method would have worked.
@@bigrickthegoat Guy on my reserve ship in the 80's killed his superior officer with a knife. Mitchell Garroway was his name. Last I checked he was still in Federal prison. Should have been a firing squad on the fantail vice life in prison.
back in the late 80's early 90's while in the Duece (82nd) it was like a mafia,,,, you could raise hell, get into a fight and end up in jail while it was swept under a rug, then some would be late for PT formation and it was the end of the world for that joe,,, they would stack counseling statements on joe, give him all the crap duty and CQ on holidays and weekends and eventually give him the boot.
Yup my new CSM wanted to clean house so he had all APFT failures chaptered out. Took the PT test in the morning if you failed you're given another one the following day, if you failed that one you were getting your ass fast track out the same day in some cases.
@@markwakefield3262 yeah but it’s the Army’s job to maintain overall fitness. From what I remember you can’t really do a back to back for record PT test like that without at least giving the soldier time to better themselves.
@@justaguy1253 usually the CSM can have up to one PT test a week. Two can be "recorded" or official and two can be a "practice". They will have to be on a battalion level because they can't single a soldier out for an individual PT test multiple times by themselves. That is most definitely an IG complaint. Then it's up to command to take appropriate action. On the platoon level it's up to the PL or platoon Sgt. To help that soldier with remedial training to help with thier APFT if that soldier shows no improvement the final option is to chapter them out.
I was actually chaptered out for being .06% over weight and that was right after the MRI showed both if my ACLs were torn so they didn't meducally reture me.
As a civilian employee with the Army, I knew an officer (O6) who caught a DUI. Administrative action was taken, most probably preventing an expected future promotion. He was also reassigned to what I would call a shit assignment overseas, etc etc. Good man, sad story. He died of a broken heart(or whatever).
I new a Col, who was the base commander Mintz-Finten Air Field in the late 80's, or very early 90's. They had a unit Christmas party at the Club on Wiesbaden Air Base. When they were leaving, he got stopped at the front gate and they arrested him for DUI. Completely ruined his career. I didn't know him that well, but my daughter was best friends with his daughter and went to school together. Such a shame. He ended up retiring.
My mom was Air Force back in the 80s and she said everyone was smoking weed. The higher ups just kinda gave them a slap on the wrist and was like yeah yeah don’t do this. Told my mom people get kicked out for that kinda thing now a days and she was surprised lol
I was in the Air Force from 76 to 86. Started out as an Airman Basic and got out a Captain Squadron Section Commander. We had a mandatory urinalysis program and if you came up positive you were seriously in trouble and if you had an incident involving marijuana, you were in serious trouble. I discharged a lot of guys and only one was because he couldn't do his job. Most everybody was discharge for a pattern of misconduct. Generally I needed six incidents to justify a discharge. Generally we said that leopards don't change their spots.
@@michaelthornton20 to be fair my mom was stationed up in North Dakota. Most likely everyone my mom knew in chain of command just didn’t care. It was grand forks AFB
When my brother was in the army he told me about an NCO E-7 who just came home from deployment and found out his wife was going to divorce him. So he shot and killed his wife burned down his house and later kidnapped his two kids and drove them five states over. A manhunt ensued and he was caught and arrested just 2 weeks later. From what my brother told me he's still locked up in federal prison to this day.
In my 10 years as a Legal NCO, the top 3 involuntary chapters were failing a drug test, PT failure, and being overweight. Top voluntary discharge was for women, pregnancy; for men, Failure to overcome a Bar to Reenlistment (which has been removed from the AR/DA Pam).
I wanna say as a Marine reservist (former), they tested at least 10% of the company every month. Being an NCO meant you were a assigned as a "meat gazer"...
25th ID (L) I remember a soldier discharged for failing the APFT in 1999. Others I saw did drugs, alcohol abuse in which they didn’t finish the detox program, seen a soldier get out for being too fat. **edit** the soldier who failed the APFT failed three consecutive tests. He was taped, but passed that. I think he just wanted out of the Army.
DAMN!!!!!! That's crazy, but I got out 25 years ago and things have changed like crazy. We were flagged and taped, then put on remedial PT, then if someone didn't pass their PT test, they were chaptered out.
I was in the Army from 1979-1982 stationed in Bamberg, West Germany at the time. I was 11B. I remembered in the winter of '81 I was sent to PNOC in Katterbach. One Saturday night me and some classmates went to pick up another classmate stationed on post. When we arrived at the barracks, 2 white guys were in handcuffs escorted by 2 MP's. I asked the CQ what he caught them with dope!!!! He said no position 69!!! DAMN!!!!When I was in the Army, if caught engaging in homosexuality would get a person kicked out QUICK!!!!!
I was in the Army from 71 to 74. There were gays and lesbians around but nobody cared. Then again, none that I knew of were caught in the act on the base.
@@dutchray8880 In West Germany we did a lot of drugs over there and did not worry about what people did. As long as they was not CID. We hated them more than the livers.
In Berlin 1987, we had one soldier on the weekend never came back. His plt sgt had all his personal gear packed and sent home. Later it was found out he had got caught with his boyfriend in one of the gay bars . He was shipped out for his safety and chapter out.
One thing you should’ve mentioned is Commander’s discretion. I’ve know soldiers personally who’ve popped hot on a drug test and was able to be retained because they had a good relationship with the CO.
@@andrewschliewe6392 depends what time period it was. During the heavy deployment rotations of the early 2000’s it was much more common. Saw it personally
A guy who was in my company and got moved to HHC popped hot for weed and he's getting a general discharge. After 6 months he can go to the discharge board and get his general upgraded to an honorable discharge.
In Oct 1982 I was kicked out for failing a drug test in basic. I had smoked marijuana before leaving for basic. No option. Just say no was Nancy reasons watch word.
When I was the drug and alcohol NCO for my battery, we generally pulled numbers for a hat for the random drug tests. Lest number of the social won. If we suspected someone was using, their number might have been drawn while looking. It was usually a couple failed drug tests prior to chaptering a soldier out, but that was the 90's. Outside of those who failed drug tests, most of the people I saw chaptered were done so due to different felonies committed. Some of the felony folks just ended up in military prison as was the case for a soldier who molested his stepdaughter and another who had sex with a 15 year old dependent. I only saw one soldier chaptered for not making his weight and he had months to fix it. I saw guys who couldn't pass their PT test do entire tours without getting the boot. My former brother in law did 8 years in the National Guard without passing his PT test after training. I always find it funny when I hear guys make claims to being kicked out for cursing out their commanders or whatever. Cool story when no veterans are around to debunk it, I guess.
I screwed up as a private and definitely got suspected of doing drugs. Got tested 3 times in span of a month and a half. Never did drugs and always looked at my co when I took my test.
Former 11B20 here, 101st Airborne. When I was in the 3 biggest career killers were DWI, Drugs/Alcohol, Weight Standards. Another one believe it or not was blood pressure too high.
I came across soldiers that were labeled as "repeat screw ups." Constantly getting Article 15s for this and that. I often wondered why they enlisted to begin with.
I'm currently serving in the Army right now. About a year ago there were like 5 guys in our company that were in serious trouble for drug use. Out of those 5 guys, around 3 out of 5 of those guys got kicked out. The other 2 were each let off with a demotion and some other forms of discipline. We also had a guy who was sent to Leavenworth for actively dealing drugs in our barracks; that same guy went AWOL and got caught. That all happened a few months before the other guys tested positive. A few months before then, we had a guy kicked out for a DUI.
I hadn’t realized how hot this topic is. I can tell you in BCT my platoon had a serious attrition rate of discharges from failure to qualify with an M-16, to some guy’s knee swelling up a run from a high school football injury. By the time I graduated Basic my platoon was at 60 % at the end of the cycle.
My experience in basic was more lax became of Coronavirus if you fail multiple events in the ACFT then they would day 1 restart you or just start the chapter process. It’s more common than you would think.
In the 80s When I enlisted I had a weight issue but it was because I played football in school and was built like the box the refrigerator came in, I got a waiver but had issues, and I maxed out all of my PT tests. Bob
I got an "unsatisfactory participation" for missing a training exercise and drills. I had a Jody situation and lost my mind for a while. I got a "General Under Honorable"
It really is unit dependent as unit policies and locations come into play. i.e. a unit can have a no tolerance policy and one DUI be cause for initiation of separation (two is the Army policy). My unit here I mainly process separations for drugs, patterns of misconduct, domestic violence, and mental status.
I reported to my first AD unit in early 1988, at that time height and weight were not a big deal and if you failed a PT test you were given MANY chances to re test. It was about 1989/90 that all that changed if you were over weight and fail the tape test you had 90 days to get under and you only had 2 chances to pass the PT test after a failure. In addition while you were trying to get under weight or pass the PT test you could not go to schools, deploy, PCS or receive awards it really messed with your life.
It got really stupid after ODS. Dudes that were fantastic in the deployment, gunnery, etc., but didn't function well in the dog and pony show in Germany at the time were let go because of drinking.
Oh no. The Guard does random testing all the TIME. I enlisted in July. Got tested in Aug. Got tested in Feb and then got tested in March. It is all computer generated. And yes, they kick people out for not passing their pizz test. Seen it in the Army, the Reserves and the Guard.
Saw several guy's get kicked out. 88-89 West Germany Dustoff unit 45 TH. Saw one soldier take from the barracks by MP's for selling stolen goods. Same unit a guy got chaptered out for being on the fat boy program, he just didn't care. One guy in basic 1987 Ft. Jackson in he's 30's washed out twice in basic failure to adapt, I was 27 , in 1987-1997 Aviation Dustoff & Quartermaster Corps. Everyone here thank you for serving. 🇺🇸
In 1999, I had a buddy who was in his re-enlistment window get a DUI. He was reduced 1 grade to E-3 and barred from re-enlisting. Also, in 2000, I had a room to myself in the barracks, but I got a temporary roommate when a SGT was served a temporary restraining order from his future ex-wife due to domestic violence. The CO ordered him to live in the barracks until the company deployed a few weeks later on a peacekeeping mission. I'm not sure of the outcome, because I ETSed a few months later.
Never trust that a drug test won't pop up especially right after leave Had a fresh guy in my unit turn white after we had just joked about there being a drug test and we all just shook our heads
A way that I've seen is failing the APFT. Someone that I served with didn't want to deploy to SWA and instead failed multiple times and got separated from the Army.
Not sure how far you made it in the Army Christopher, but I did 22 years and the MOST often reason for being chaptered out was PT failure/overweight. Drug use was hardly ever the reason. I actually saw more people get kicked out for failure to maintain financial responsibilities then get chaptered out for drugs.
Could've summed this up into Misconduct, Mental Health, and H/W PT test failures. Misconduct covers everything a Soldier has direct influence on regarding their decision making skills, or lack there of. Mental Heath can stop a career dead in its tracks. Six month PHA's, and you get caught, depending on rank, MOS, ASI's, you can be found unfit for duty, which makes one undeployable, which can lead a CDR and 1SG to begin the process of pushing you to get help, only to see through the doctors "he/she is too burned out to be mission capable". While the ACFT is on pause, failing tape multiple times can send you packing, with the hope your unit won't fuck you over and try to deny your involuntary sep pay. Some units are much better than others regarding this since a lot of it is "At the commanders intent".
I was in basic training in 1970. The fireguard found two guys in the bunk together at night. They were gone the next day. I wonder what they would do now?
Lol. They give them an award and promotion. Btw, on a real note. After don't ask don't tell. I was an NCO and this person's squad leader. He was to report to the First Sargent, with me. To shorten the story. He told top he was gay. Top walked to the side of his desk. Dropped his pants. And said blow me. If you suck my clock. I will chapter you out. If not you will recieve UCMJ. The soldier had extra duty for the next 30 days.
They send out the MP's to recover them and bring them back. Could lose rank, could get court marshaled. Generally you wont get any discharge as that's kinda what they want to begin with. You'd be amazed how many times the MP'S find AWOL's at their parents house.
@@HarambetheWhite I never went AWOL. There was a guy in my platoon that did. He turned himself in after I don't know how long. I don't know what happened to him. I was glad that I wasn't in his position. Thanks.
@@dennisivan85 Dennis, when this guy that was in my platoon, was back, one of my drill sargents was really mad and irritated with the guy who was AWOL. I was just glad that I wasn't in his position.
In 1983 I got a DUI in Fulda, Germany. Back then they treated in much lighter. I got an article 15, I lost 1 stripe (down to E-3), and a $300 fine. No one got kicked out for DUI back then. I was honorably discharged a couple months later having completed my contract. I also did not get a good conduct medal.
An older guy (in his mid sixties) I know who retired told me that a barracks roommate he had (back in the 1970's) was actually caught with marijuana during a room inspection and he only lost a rank and was allowed to stay in.
Been watching your videos since before I joined. Great information for when I was enlisting. With that being said, its been over a year since I had a UA 😂 for some reason I havent been called and whenever there is one somehow Im not there. Then again being the S2 "NCOIC" they're not too worried.
Same , I was underweight in basic and was watched by the drills very closely . They had a talk with me about my weight. I came in the army as a cross country runner in HS, so was pretty thin, but very fit . I made sure I maxed my pt tests .
When I was in the Army (85-98) I was a Private and we had an excellent E4 he would be a patrol leader on dismounted patrols. I was a 19D10 at the time. Well, this knuckle head kept coming up hot on his UA. He got 2 Summary Article 15's, Then he came up hot a third time and they busted him down to E1 and he was barred from re-enlistment. The sad part was he was wanting a career in the Army, but he couldn't leave the weed alone.
I seen a lot of people kicked out for alcohol and drugs. Some people for domestic and sexual abuse. One guy had some illegal porn on his lappy.. At least with the drugs and alcohol, they would put them through ASAP first to see if they can clean up back then. Most of them wouldn't clean up tho D:
The 'Reserve' used to hold (-2009) 'pee' tests every month. It was supposed to be random, but, all the 'randomees' (sic) might not be present and 25% of the roster needed to be sampled (quite common for 50% - 75% not present because of mobilizations, etc). The 'new' volunteers were selected 'randomly'. Which depending on the number of soldiers present, each soldier stood a SOLID chance of being tested quite regularly. One would think, that in and of itself would be deterrent enough to 'stop' drug use while 'in' the reserves. Let's just say, some 'light bulbs' are not as bright as others.
When I was in the Air Force during the 60's, I worked for a light colonel who kicked out about 20% of his unit because he had been passed over for his bird. His last 8 months was duck when he got mad at you.
I had one buddy in Airborne with me who had Weight Issues. He was on his last thread and about to get the boot. He opted to have Surgery. And fat sucked out. He saved his career by 6#.
It's such BS that they kick solders out for doing drugs on their own time. Here in Canada, you're allowed to smoke weed in the military and the sky hasn't fallen.
Back in 2005 I was in aviation and it was 100% testing at random. An E5 tested positive for crystal meth prior to deployment. They knocked him down to E1, assigned him to guard duty in Iraq as an E1 where his attitude degraded and art 15 piled up and when we got back to the states he was put up for general discharge. A a soldier who was junior smoked pot and got the same "punishment" of posting guard in Iraq all year as an E1 and he improved enough to stay in but he was drug tested every week
Wow. This one brought back memories of Germany in 1978-79. I was an Armor Officer and the Battalion Commander did not want drug charges showing up on the MP blotter report, so the SOB wouldn't allow us to report druggies in the ranks. We did pull, "Health and Welfare" inspections and if we found hash or any other drug item in a soldiers locker, I would take them to the bathroom and ask them if it was theirs. If they said, "No", then I would let them watch as I flushed the drugs down the toilet. They would be in tears as I had just cost them a lot of money, but we did what we could. Our leadership was chickensh*t in those Carter administration years.
We had a soldier in my unit in the National Guard who was ex Navy. He was very overweight, never took P.T Tests or much of anything for that matter. He was a Cook and out unit got catering service during drills and often AT as well. He also had mental issues as he'd continue to talk to himself and bite his finger over and over again. One instance I hopped on the Bus, waiting to leave the range. He was the only other person on the Bus so far and after witnessing him talking to himself and angrily biting his finger, I got back off the buss and one of the E-5s laughed and commented to me that no feels comfortable being along with him. Despite this, they let him stay for two years so he could finish out his 20.
For weight, the Army usually gives the soldier a chance to lose weight by enrolling them in the weight control program first. The soldier needs to lose 3-8 pounds a month to stay in and make satisfactory progress on the weight control program. I was on weight control a few times. Lost the weight each time and got promoted. I only saw one soldier booted for being over weight. Now I am on the VAs weight loss program called MOVE lol. I struggled with weight my whole life. A lot depends on what type of soldier you are. If you fail tape but are a good troop otherwise your command will usually work with you. What a lot of commands do is not allow overweight soldiers to reenlist and force the overweight troop to ETS.
Hey Christopher, I have a question. I understand during AIT, I believe you're not allowed to go anywhere alone. You're given some sort of buddy. I wanted to know what happens if your buddy's training is completed before yours. Are you immediately assigned to a different barracks for a different buddy? I plan on becoming a 35T, which AIT is about 40 weeks. Safe to assume whoever I'm buddied with will be done and gone before I am. Thanks.
I got off active duty in 2008 and it was zero tolerance failing a urinalysis. You come up hot, your done. You get your 45/45, 2 weeks forfeiture of pay, and reduction in rank. While your doing your 45/45 your doing all of your out processing requirements during that time so that when your done your escorted off the base. Maybe it was just my unit.
My unit did a UA every week and I was on the list every time for months never failed. Also a DUI was automatic to get someone kicked out and this was from 2012-2015.
Something wrong there. I never heard of a SM being kicked out of basic for being pregnant. Sms will not be allowed into basic while being pregnant. If one becomes pregnant during basic. They are pulled out of basic training ( same with AIT) and become holdover status. Until they are no longer pregnant. Then they resume training. Now. They may be given the option to leave serve. On soldiers choose. But they may not be forced out. This is a legal issue. That if pushed can result in the Army paying for everything for the child. By everything, I am refering to birth, day care, schooling, college ECT, ECT. So as you can see. It in the Army's best interest to allow the young lady to continue her training when able and ETS out. Another, is after the child is born. Unable to provide care. No care plan. A mother may choose to leave serves. From my experience, the Army move pretty quick on this chaptering. And in no way, hurt the mother if down the road. She decides to reenlist. And yes this can happen in basic.
@@HeywoodJablome I'm not understanding what you are saying is B'S. The poster claiming PG is grounds to be discharged QUICK from basic Or What I said above. If you are referring to the poster. Which means I agree with you. As I believe I have shown. Just as a FYI. I know a female that was reenlisting. Had a break in serves. She was not going to a new AIT, just strait to permanet party. At MEPS it was found she was pregnant. She was denied to reenlist at that point. Personally, I felt there should have been a waiver because she was prior serves, not going into AIT. And her husband was also reenlisting. ( Same day). She ended up waiting another year to go back in. Which in the long run, caused her death 2 years later.
In the early 90's, in Germany, we weighed in every month. If you missed weight, the first time, you were on extra PT and restriction. If you missed on the next weigh-in you were given an AR15, miss a third time, you were discharged. Now, if you showed improvement at each weigh in, you were ok, even a pound or two. But you had to meet weight/height standards before 6 months or you were gone.
I was released from the military back in January 2020 because of a deployment injury that never healed properly. My unit gave me a few chances but stilled chaptered me out. My command wouldn't allow me to partake in employment opportunities from SFLTAP. I had 30 days of leave saved up to sell. The army took all of that and just left my family and me without any money, hours away from any family member, and no way of taking care of my family financially.
Your story sounds a bit fishy. If you were injured and chaptered out you would be medically discharged and then receive VA disability for a service connected injury. Also the leave being cashed out is an automatic system. They dont get to choose to keep it and if there is an error and you don't get it then they have to fix it. The Army also has to pay for your travel back to where you will be living when you get out. Now if you did something you were not supposed to do then this might make seance to a point.
@@christopherchaos Thank you for replying and I apologize if what I've said didn't make any sense. Since the deployment, I've been doing the best I could to get the medics to help but my last unit just made me take back-to-back pt tests without any time for either remedial pt or any type of recovery. My leave was taken because of a bonus I've received for reenlisting. So far as the moving, the army has paid to move our housing but to get my family to our destination we were in a really bad predicament. For the 5 years of my active service, I've tried to be the best soldier I could have been I'm just disappointed in how everything transpired
Proving adultery is next to impossible. Unless someone is seen actually in the act, they can simply deny it. The only case I saw during my 20 years was a female in Germany who got pregnant even though her husband was in the States and they hadn't seen each other in a year.
When I was with B 2-8 CAV, we had a soldier who transferred in and immediately was a troublemaker. To get him removed from us the CO had the company do a planned drug test on a Friday before a three-day Weekend. That Tuesday, he had the whole company do a "surprise" drug test in which this PoS was caught. He was gone within a month.
I’ve been regular Army early nineties and early 2010’s. The early nineties were different. Homosexuality got you kicked out quick with one caveat you’d have to be a screw up and gay. I had a Lesbian in my unit who kept a girlfriend in her barracks room. Nobody bothered her. The gay male who was known for serving up dudes in those same barrack wasn’t nearly as good a soldier got chaptered. The PT failure chapter is probably the worst. You’d have to work super hard at failing the old PT test multiple time. Even with drugs you can say I need help. They will pit in ASAP program. Chapters usually are pretty hard to do, can take months. Most Commanders would prefer to give a bar to re-enlistment. Great video.
Drugs, theft, civil offence i.e rape or domestic violence as well as discipline reasons. They are dishonourable discharges within the Australian army, and yes, I’ve seen soldiers go this way plenty of times. I’ve experienced being in a section of 9 soldiers, reduced to 4 with 5 soldiers being dragged off pre-MilSkills training, one of the guys was done via his wife calling the police on him. Theft in the barracks, one guy was trashing the barracks rooms, when the entire battalion was out bush, he was drummed out of the battalion and was placed in the cells ‘for his own protection just prior to the drumming where he had to walk the ring road, lined by all of the 700 plus members which turned their backs on him. I was medically discharged, my pack was way to heavy, being a grunt did it for me.
Germany ‘85 one of my platoon leaders in my company was arrested while I was the NCOIC on CQ,.. for at that time stabbing a civilian at a concert... he was squared away as fuck just lost his bearing. His dad was a preacher and was also there doing the arrest. Sad
@@christopherchaos It is very hard to chapter for Adultery. They have to be witnessed in the act and provin without a shadow of a doubt. Only once I saw it happen. Female SPC was fuckin a SSG in the showers in Kuwait. Someone walked in and witnessed them fucking. Hard evidence.
I got medically retired from the AF in 2013 after 15yrs. Security Forces, Civil Engineering, and Maintenance get chaptered out left and right monthly. It was in the commanders briefing every week who was coming in and going out. I saw a lot of people get fucked by the system. Most of it was people doing it to themselves.
I received the standard Honorable Discharge after 4 years, but with a RE-2 designation. This originally destroyed me. Looking back, it's meaningless. I've accomplished more than I ever expected.
Do people get kicked out for mental health diagnosis? And would it be an honorable discharge or would it be a dishonorable discharge? Examples include schizophrenia which commonly develops in the early to mid 20's. PTSD is also an issue. I know PTSD can be treated but many mental health issues can prevent people from being effective in combat or life in general. How does the military deal with it? Some people are not mentally ill but are completely unsuitable for the military. Someone could be a sociopath or psychopath and be functional and not break any rules and meet the requirements. Except for the bat shit crazy part.
Your actually pretty accurate as to soldiers being chaptered. Every blue moon a soldier or NCO would be chaptered because they RCP. basically ran out of time before they could get promoted to the next pay grade. This was usually happening to E5(P) that were 92As because the cutoff scored stayed 798. But pissing hot, DUI or domestic violence and failing to meet height and weight or failing APFTs were the top ones. I have been in units where we chaptered soldiered out because of multiple misconduct such as disrespect to NCOs, always being late for formation, basically not giving a F### and after a few ART 15s and reductions in rank with lots of extra duty it was time for a chaptered 13 misconduct discharge.
Marines, Okinawa, early 1990's. "Fall out and into formation in P.T. gear and stand by for: ANY tattoos that can be seen. Being overweight. Or, "just not looking good in uniform." And if you have any charges... " Some got options, some got immediately dissmissed from duty. Those of us who were left, got the old: "Standby for more" upcoming responsibility (for those of us who are left)! With big (yep, this is going to suck) $hit eating grins, from our commanders. As they looked at the few of us that were left. The last one was the kicker, 'cause they weren't kidding!
how often do folks that are not meeting weight standards are also not meeting physical fitness standards? or, is not meeting physical fitness stabdards another possibLe reason to be let go?
Not passing your record PT tests twice is reason enough to be kicked out but I've seen people be given constant breaks and at least one guy I know has seemingly always failed height/weight in addition to always failing his record PT tests (our last record PT test was in September 2019 btw and me and this guy have both been in for about four and a half years and I don't believe he has passed a single PT test since AIT. He is finally getting chaptered now because he failed a drug test)
In the Guard, we had a Lautenburg Amendment check annually. A felony conviction will, too. A CCIR has to be filed and the chain of command updated monthly. A guilty plea or conviction will automatically get one kicked out. ,
First off I just want to say thank you to all men and women in uniform past and present who have fought and served our country I always wanted to be in the military but unfortunately that dream never came to fruition as I am partially blind and that disqualified me but I do have a question for you guys who have served if somebody is deemed untrainable it's something in the army is that grounds for being kicked out of the army or would they just find something else for you to do?
Army 1984-1991 and after we came back from Iraq at the end of the year they had a WEIGH IN and of course I was over weight. My First Sargent in the past had talked to me once before he got promoted about not re enlisting. So I went into his office and told him I was ready to get out, he walked out to the CQ and told to them to go down to Battalion Headquarters and get my clearing papers. 10 days later I was a civilian. NO regrets
I am going to try to make this short. I was in The Army From 74 76. National Guard 80-82. About 2 months into Basic Training. We had a mass formation. Called by one mean DI. We were not givening time to dress. We were told a guy had over dosed. We were also told that the doctors that gave him the physical were not 100 per cent sure if he was on drugs or not and they let him in anyways. We were also told that supposed idly he was being watched. If he was they failed to watch him real good.
In the marines, I got into a bar fight when the company commander was in the bar. Only thing they did to me was promote me to Sgt (e5) a week later
Had a Soldier in my company get into a fight. We walked them into see the BC and all he asked was "Well, did you win?"
Nothing else came of it. Iron Rangers!
Good times
I saw a E5 married busted in the barracks with a single soldier and he lost rank in the Army
Boss life.
Phillip Rogers Ur a f idiot shame on u & ur other stupid fellow crayon eating marines, y’all can shove it up ur asses
A soldier calls out corruption within command and they try to kick him out by finding dirt on him.
Or moved to a different brigade
Yep
@@Holyhandgrenade-tx6xd did that happen to you?
@@jamescantu8195 Nope but all too often I hear about it and see it
@@Holyhandgrenade-tx6xd well I will be your next example lol
In 1984 I knew a SSG with 16 years in the military, he was one of the best NCO, s I ever served with . He always scored 300 on his pt test . Unfortunately, he was just a big guy and I watched them chapter this good man out of the Army with only 4 years to retirement. Totally disgusted me watching what they did to him and his family . I was a E5 at the time and when my ETS date came up they wanted me to re enlist . I chose to get out due to what I saw them do to this good man . 2 years later I joined the National Guard and ended up doing 30 years all together retiring as a SFC with 3 deployments. I would have stayed in the RA if they hadn't totaly screwed my freind over .
Did they tape him?
i knew a staff as well back in '86 , 18 1/2 years, a Vietnam vet, got busted down to E=5, E-4 and chaptered out as an E-3 in Ft Campbell KY. it was heart breaking to see him go out like that.
@@ElMeroChano because of weight?
@@jvolstad no, the story was he had rental furniture and he moved it without letting the rental company know he moved it, and they pressed the chain of command, if that was really the case, the chain of command had it in for him., sad part was, he lived in the barracks.
I appreciate your loyalty to your friend and your service to our country. Its sounds like there should be a system of protection against these witch-hunts on a Division level.
If you plan on joining the Army Christopher Chaos is THE go-to channel. Everything he discusses is spot on. I know from personal experience, I said it once and I will say it again. Your channel has by far the most reliable information when it comes to basic run-downs of army life.
Thanks!
Don’t do drugs and you ain’t got to worry about a damn drug test
Right just smoke weed😉
Yeah the 'just say no' logic has been so successful.
@@gotdatazz123 That's literally one of the last things you should do while serving.
@@Madashell1200 Wtf more do you want? If you can't go without doing drugs to do your job, then don't join the fucking military?? Like, what other solution do you think there is?
You need something to dumb you down in order to go along with the nonsense.
My unit had a guy who was the most squared away 11c in the battalion. His mom had cancer and he wanted to leave . In the span of four months he got a face tattoo, told off the sgt major, refused to work , pissed hot and had three article 15s . They forced him to go to NTC before he could leave and he still got a honorable discharge. It is really hard to get kicked out.
If that doesn't say the army trying to save money idk what does 🤣
Just because that happened the way it did with that 11C, does NOT mean that is how the entire army operates and is thus “really hard to get kicked out.”
I’ve personally seen junior soldiers get kicked out for WAYYY minor offenses than the list of things that 11C did. That’s literally once in a blue moon. To say he was lucky is an understatement. But please, don’t try to use that as an example of how hard it is to get kicked out of the army.
It’s simply not true and incredibly misleading. It also kind of gives the army a bad rep.
He shoulda just gotten fat . The infantry hates that.
Something similar like that happened at Bragg, in ‘96, his mom was sick with a terminal disease, and his sister passed away, he asked for a compassionate reassignment, was told “no”, then he started the dressing in ladies clothes, after “no” again, then the article 15’s came, and then one day dude just got up left and went AWOL.
Hard to get kicked out if you wantto leave and easy if you don’t
Largest thing I’ve seen after drugs was PT failure. Have had numerous soldiers fail a dozen times before getting kicked out, it was obvious it was on purpose after the 3rd time
Definitely PT and weight control failures are WAAAY more common than these. These three are bad, but not as common as admin separations for PT/600-9
This happened in the rok army. My platoon Sgt. got kicked out for gambling. Well not officially for gambling but he kept on borrowing money from the Jr. Enlisted soldiers and was not paying back. Then some soldiers reported that. Turns out he has been borrowing money from a lot more individuals than what we expected.
Gotta admit, that he kind of deserved the BCD.
The beatings will continue until morale improves
We will keep serving Western Omelet T Rats for dinner until morale improves.
My nephew got kicked out with a general discharge because his wife was collecting housing pay while living on base housing. He's very successful now only because employers don't check military records
When we had urinalysis test I saw people eat butter, drink olive oil, and drink other crazy stuff to try and beat the test.
I heard of “flooding the kidneys”
There's really no way to "cleanse" drugs from your system other than time. This is the biggest issue for lovers of the Devil's Lettuce, which can be detected for up to a month depending on usage and individual metabolism.
@Chief Drumo, if you drink massive amounts of water the day of the test, it can dilute THC metabolites to an undetectable level. However, the drug test industry has caught up with this. Labs will fail or ask to retest if your urine is "too clear". When they analyze your sample they look for concentration of compounds usually found in urine. The "Cleansing" products that head shops sell contain a high enough concentration of what gets diluted to allow your sample to appear normal. If you were in more than 25 years ago, this method would have worked.
Vinegar!!! 1 lt and 1 gal of water.
They should stay clean to start with they signed on the dotted line they know what they got into they can drug test me all day long
@Sae woodall just stating fax. People who get kicked out for failed drug tests are pretty retarded.
Guy in my unit at riley got sent to Leavenworth for a double murder in the early 1990s... probably still there
dang you probably shook hands with a killer
@@bigrickthegoat Guy on my reserve ship in the 80's killed his superior officer with a knife. Mitchell Garroway was his name. Last I checked he was still in Federal prison. Should have been a firing squad on the fantail vice life in prison.
back in the late 80's early 90's while in the Duece (82nd) it was like a mafia,,,, you could raise hell, get into a fight and end up in jail while it was swept under a rug, then some would be late for PT formation and it was the end of the world for that joe,,, they would stack counseling statements on joe, give him all the crap duty and CQ on holidays and weekends and eventually give him the boot.
There's a reason why they used to call it the 82nd airplane gang 🤔
That is wrong.
@@ursulasmith6402 wrong? It was very wrong, but that was life in the Duece
I was in during those years and saw more guys get chaptered out for failing PT tests, than anything else .
PT failure usually has the caveat that the Soldier is not making any progress towards passing their APFT.
Yup my new CSM wanted to clean house so he had all APFT failures chaptered out. Took the PT test in the morning if you failed you're given another one the following day, if you failed that one you were getting your ass fast track out the same day in some cases.
@@markwakefield3262 couldn’t someone do an IG complaint for that?
@@justaguy1253 failing to meet basic military physical fitness standards was actually a reason to be chaptered out the Army.
@@markwakefield3262 yeah but it’s the Army’s job to maintain overall fitness. From what I remember you can’t really do a back to back for record PT test like that without at least giving the soldier time to better themselves.
@@justaguy1253 usually the CSM can have up to one PT test a week. Two can be "recorded" or official and two can be a "practice". They will have to be on a battalion level because they can't single a soldier out for an individual PT test multiple times by themselves. That is most definitely an IG complaint. Then it's up to command to take appropriate action. On the platoon level it's up to the PL or platoon Sgt. To help that soldier with remedial training to help with thier APFT if that soldier shows no improvement the final option is to chapter them out.
I was actually chaptered out for being .06% over weight and that was right after the MRI showed both if my ACLs were torn so they didn't meducally reture me.
keep selling it-I ain't buying
I searched up Fowler from Jarhead and this was one of the results that came out of my recommended.
As a civilian employee with the Army, I knew an officer (O6) who caught a DUI. Administrative action was taken, most probably preventing an expected future promotion. He was also reassigned to what I would call a shit assignment overseas, etc etc. Good man, sad story. He died of a broken heart(or whatever).
I new a Col, who was the base commander Mintz-Finten Air Field in the late 80's, or very early 90's. They had a unit Christmas party at the Club on Wiesbaden Air Base. When they were leaving, he got stopped at the front gate and they arrested him for DUI. Completely ruined his career. I didn't know him that well, but my daughter was best friends with his daughter and went to school together. Such a shame. He ended up retiring.
My mom was Air Force back in the 80s and she said everyone was smoking weed. The higher ups just kinda gave them a slap on the wrist and was like yeah yeah don’t do this. Told my mom people get kicked out for that kinda thing now a days and she was surprised lol
I was in the Air Force from 76 to 86. Started out as an Airman Basic and got out a Captain Squadron Section Commander. We had a mandatory urinalysis program and if you came up positive you were seriously in trouble and if you had an incident involving marijuana, you were in serious trouble. I discharged a lot of guys and only one was because he couldn't do his job. Most everybody was discharge for a pattern of misconduct. Generally I needed six incidents to justify a discharge. Generally we said that leopards don't change their spots.
@@michaelthornton20 to be fair my mom was stationed up in North Dakota. Most likely everyone my mom knew in chain of command just didn’t care. It was grand forks AFB
@@michaelthornton20 the air force will kick you out for a clean drug test. they dont like possion of Marijuana
I saw a handful of guys get removed from OSUT simultaneously for having lied about prior charges that should have kept them out in the first place.
I was asked to leave after 9 weeks.. They found out I had 2 knee surgeries prior to enlisting . This was in 1981 right out of high school..
I had orthopedic surgery in high school on my knee. The Navy never found out. 1987
Same thing happened to me in 2014
Which is why I didn't go out for high school football, seen too many people kicked out for that
@@philliprogers964 How did you guess I hurt my knee playing football? You must be psychic my friend. 😀
@@philliprogers964 I wasn’t foot ball . I blew one working I jump out of a produce trailer, Them I the second knee was wrestling practice
When my brother was in the army he told me about an NCO E-7 who just came home from deployment and found out his wife was going to divorce him. So he shot and killed his wife burned down his house and later kidnapped his two kids and drove them five states over. A manhunt ensued and he was caught and arrested just 2 weeks later. From what my brother told me he's still locked up in federal prison to this day.
She won''t be f@@king Jody no mo'.
In my 10 years as a Legal NCO, the top 3 involuntary chapters were failing a drug test, PT failure, and being overweight. Top voluntary discharge was for women, pregnancy; for men, Failure to overcome a Bar to Reenlistment (which has been removed from the AR/DA Pam).
I wanna say as a Marine reservist (former), they tested at least 10% of the company every month. Being an NCO meant you were a assigned as a "meat gazer"...
25th ID (L) I remember a soldier discharged for failing the APFT in 1999. Others I saw did drugs, alcohol abuse in which they didn’t finish the detox program, seen a soldier get out for being too fat.
**edit** the soldier who failed the APFT failed three consecutive tests. He was taped, but passed that. I think he just wanted out of the Army.
DAMN!!!!!! That's crazy, but I got out 25 years ago and things have changed like crazy. We were flagged and taped, then put on remedial PT, then if someone didn't pass their PT test, they were chaptered out.
I was in the Army from 1979-1982 stationed in Bamberg, West Germany at the time. I was 11B. I remembered in the winter of '81 I was sent to PNOC in Katterbach. One Saturday night me and some classmates went to pick up another classmate stationed on post. When we arrived at the barracks, 2 white guys were
in handcuffs escorted by 2 MP's. I asked the CQ what he caught them with dope!!!! He said no position 69!!! DAMN!!!!When I was in the Army, if caught engaging in homosexuality would get a person kicked out QUICK!!!!!
It's depressing that something like that was something you could be kicked out of the army for. Fucking on duty is another thing though
I was in the Army from 71 to 74. There were gays and lesbians around but nobody cared. Then again, none that I knew of were caught in the act on the base.
@@dutchray8880 In West Germany we did a lot of drugs over there and did not worry about what people did. As long as they was not CID. We hated them more than the livers.
In Berlin 1987, we had one soldier on the weekend never came back. His plt sgt had all his personal gear packed and sent home. Later it was found out he had got caught with his boyfriend in one of the gay bars . He was shipped out for his safety and chapter out.
One thing you should’ve mentioned is Commander’s discretion. I’ve know soldiers personally who’ve popped hot on a drug test and was able to be retained because they had a good relationship with the CO.
Not so much with drug tests.
Your comment is the truth that’s how it is
@@andrewschliewe6392 depends what time period it was. During the heavy deployment rotations of the early 2000’s it was much more common. Saw it personally
A guy who was in my company and got moved to HHC popped hot for weed and he's getting a general discharge. After 6 months he can go to the discharge board and get his general upgraded to an honorable discharge.
In Oct 1982 I was kicked out for failing a drug test in basic. I had smoked marijuana before leaving for basic. No option. Just say no was Nancy reasons watch word.
When I was the drug and alcohol NCO for my battery, we generally pulled numbers for a hat for the random drug tests. Lest number of the social won. If we suspected someone was using, their number might have been drawn while looking. It was usually a couple failed drug tests prior to chaptering a soldier out, but that was the 90's.
Outside of those who failed drug tests, most of the people I saw chaptered were done so due to different felonies committed. Some of the felony folks just ended up in military prison as was the case for a soldier who molested his stepdaughter and another who had sex with a 15 year old dependent.
I only saw one soldier chaptered for not making his weight and he had months to fix it. I saw guys who couldn't pass their PT test do entire tours without getting the boot. My former brother in law did 8 years in the National Guard without passing his PT test after training.
I always find it funny when I hear guys make claims to being kicked out for cursing out their commanders or whatever. Cool story when no veterans are around to debunk it, I guess.
I screwed up as a private and definitely got suspected of doing drugs. Got tested 3 times in span of a month and a half. Never did drugs and always looked at my co when I took my test.
Former 11B20 here, 101st Airborne. When I was in the 3 biggest career killers were DWI, Drugs/Alcohol, Weight Standards. Another one believe it or not was blood pressure too high.
Strikkke!!
I came across soldiers that were labeled as "repeat screw ups." Constantly getting Article 15s for this and that. I often wondered why they enlisted to begin with.
To serve my country during a time of war
@@mickey875 that's right bro us fuck up wanted to blow stuff up to.
I'm currently serving in the Army right now. About a year ago there were like 5 guys in our company that were in serious trouble for drug use. Out of those 5 guys, around 3 out of 5 of those guys got kicked out. The other 2 were each let off with a demotion and some other forms of discipline. We also had a guy who was sent to Leavenworth for actively dealing drugs in our barracks; that same guy went AWOL and got caught. That all happened a few months before the other guys tested positive. A few months before then, we had a guy kicked out for a DUI.
Good riddens, makes life easier for everyone else
I hadn’t realized how hot this topic is. I can tell you in BCT my platoon had a serious attrition rate of discharges from failure to qualify with an M-16, to some guy’s knee swelling up a run from a high school football injury. By the time I graduated Basic my platoon was at 60 % at the end of the cycle.
My experience in basic was more lax became of Coronavirus if you fail multiple events in the ACFT then they would day 1 restart you or just start the chapter process. It’s more common than you would think.
In the 80s When I enlisted I had a weight issue but it was because I played football in school and was built like the box the refrigerator came in, I got a waiver but had issues, and I maxed out all of my PT tests. Bob
I got an "unsatisfactory participation" for missing a training exercise and drills. I had a Jody situation and lost my mind for a while. I got a "General Under Honorable"
It really is unit dependent as unit policies and locations come into play. i.e. a unit can have a no tolerance policy and one DUI be cause for initiation of separation (two is the Army policy). My unit here I mainly process separations for drugs, patterns of misconduct, domestic violence, and mental status.
My guesses before watching the video: Alcohol/drug use, PT and/or weight failure, and AWOL.
How much do u need to weigh?
I reported to my first AD unit in early 1988, at that time height and weight were not a big deal and if you failed a PT test you were given MANY chances to re test. It was about 1989/90 that all that changed if you were over weight and fail the tape test you had 90 days to get under and you only had 2 chances to pass the PT test after a failure. In addition while you were trying to get under weight or pass the PT test you could not go to schools, deploy, PCS or receive awards it really messed with your life.
After desert storm they really cracked down on that stuff...
It got really stupid after ODS. Dudes that were fantastic in the deployment, gunnery, etc., but didn't function well in the dog and pony show in Germany at the time were let go because of drinking.
Oh no. The Guard does random testing all the TIME.
I enlisted in July. Got tested in Aug.
Got tested in Feb and then got tested in March.
It is all computer generated.
And yes, they kick people out for not passing their pizz test.
Seen it in the Army, the Reserves and the Guard.
Saw several guy's get kicked out.
88-89 West Germany Dustoff unit 45 TH. Saw one soldier take from the barracks by MP's for selling stolen goods.
Same unit a guy got chaptered out for being on the fat boy program, he just didn't care.
One guy in basic 1987 Ft. Jackson in he's 30's washed out twice in basic failure to adapt,
I was 27 , in 1987-1997 Aviation Dustoff & Quartermaster Corps.
Everyone here thank you for serving. 🇺🇸
In 1999, I had a buddy who was in his re-enlistment window get a DUI. He was reduced 1 grade to E-3 and barred from re-enlisting. Also, in 2000, I had a room to myself in the barracks, but I got a temporary roommate when a SGT was served a temporary restraining order from his future ex-wife due to domestic violence. The CO ordered him to live in the barracks until the company deployed a few weeks later on a peacekeeping mission. I'm not sure of the outcome, because I ETSed a few months later.
Never trust that a drug test won't pop up especially right after leave
Had a fresh guy in my unit turn white after we had just joked about there being a drug test and we all just shook our heads
A way that I've seen is failing the APFT. Someone that I served with didn't want to deploy to SWA and instead failed multiple times and got separated from the Army.
Not sure how far you made it in the Army Christopher, but I did 22 years and the MOST often reason for being chaptered out was PT failure/overweight. Drug use was hardly ever the reason. I actually saw more people get kicked out for failure to maintain financial responsibilities then get chaptered out for drugs.
Could've summed this up into Misconduct, Mental Health, and H/W PT test failures. Misconduct covers everything a Soldier has direct influence on regarding their decision making skills, or lack there of. Mental Heath can stop a career dead in its tracks. Six month PHA's, and you get caught, depending on rank, MOS, ASI's, you can be found unfit for duty, which makes one undeployable, which can lead a CDR and 1SG to begin the process of pushing you to get help, only to see through the doctors "he/she is too burned out to be mission capable". While the ACFT is on pause, failing tape multiple times can send you packing, with the hope your unit won't fuck you over and try to deny your involuntary sep pay. Some units are much better than others regarding this since a lot of it is "At the commanders intent".
Yeah I’m finding out about that the hard way
I was in basic training in 1970. The fireguard found two guys in the bunk together at night. They were gone the next day. I wonder what they would do now?
Give then an ARCOM
Transfer them to the Navy. 😀
Lol. They give them an award and promotion.
Btw, on a real note. After don't ask don't tell.
I was an NCO and this person's squad leader.
He was to report to the First Sargent, with me.
To shorten the story. He told top he was gay.
Top walked to the side of his desk. Dropped his pants. And said blow me.
If you suck my clock. I will chapter you out. If not you will recieve UCMJ.
The soldier had extra duty for the next 30 days.
Blanket Party!!! Bring your own bar of soap and sock!
@@subicstationditosailor4053 Marines May have invented sex, but the Army introduced it to women!
I new a guy who burned down a huge billboard off Ft Benning back in 1990. That would've removed me from the ranks. I'm so glad no one got hurt.
Was it on VD drive? I was at Benning 93-97.
What about if you go AWOL? When I went to basic training and AIT in the 1980's, they warned us about if you go AWOL.
They send out the MP's to recover them and bring them back. Could lose rank, could get court marshaled. Generally you wont get any discharge as that's kinda what they want to begin with.
You'd be amazed how many times the MP'S find AWOL's at their parents house.
@@HarambetheWhite I never went AWOL. There was a guy in my platoon that did. He turned himself in after I don't know how long. I don't know what happened to him. I was glad that I wasn't in his position. Thanks.
@@dennisivan85 Dennis, when this guy that was in my platoon, was back, one of my drill sargents was really mad and irritated with the guy who was AWOL. I was just glad that I wasn't in his position.
@@dennisivan85 I knew that you had 30 days to turn yourself in. Sometimes they may find you in under 39 days however.
In 1983 I got a DUI in Fulda, Germany. Back then they treated in much lighter. I got an article 15, I lost 1 stripe (down to E-3), and a $300 fine. No one got kicked out for DUI back then. I was honorably discharged a couple months later having completed my contract. I also did not get a good conduct medal.
An older guy (in his mid sixties) I know who retired told me that a barracks roommate he had (back in the 1970's) was actually caught with marijuana during a room inspection and he only lost a rank and was allowed to stay in.
Been watching your videos since before I joined. Great information for when I was enlisting.
With that being said, its been over a year since I had a UA 😂 for some reason I havent been called and whenever there is one somehow Im not there. Then again being the S2 "NCOIC" they're not too worried.
When a soldier gets an Article 15 and busted down in rank, can they recover and still have a good career or do they exit on their own?
When I was in the army I was under weight they just gave me extra food till I got to the weight standard
Same , I was underweight in basic and was watched by the drills very closely . They had a talk with me about my weight. I came in the army as a cross country runner in HS, so was pretty thin, but very fit . I made sure I maxed my pt tests .
When I was in the Army (85-98) I was a Private and we had an excellent E4 he would be a patrol leader on dismounted patrols. I was a 19D10 at the time. Well, this knuckle head kept coming up hot on his UA. He got 2 Summary Article 15's, Then he came up hot a third time and they busted him down to E1 and he was barred from re-enlistment. The sad part was he was wanting a career in the Army, but he couldn't leave the weed alone.
He's a moron. It's his fault.
I knew people who got kicked out for every one of these especially DUI, and Pissing hot like a lot I was in from 2011-2017
Now you better be PC, and don’t even joke, as per the new Sec. of Defense.
I seen a lot of people kicked out for alcohol and drugs. Some people for domestic and sexual abuse. One guy had some illegal porn on his lappy.. At least with the drugs and alcohol, they would put them through ASAP first to see if they can clean up back then. Most of them wouldn't clean up tho D:
The 'Reserve' used to hold (-2009) 'pee' tests every month. It was supposed to be random, but, all the 'randomees' (sic) might not be present and 25% of the roster needed to be sampled (quite common for 50% - 75% not present because of mobilizations, etc). The 'new' volunteers were selected 'randomly'. Which depending on the number of soldiers present, each soldier stood a SOLID chance of being tested quite regularly. One would think, that in and of itself would be deterrent enough to 'stop' drug use while 'in' the reserves. Let's just say, some 'light bulbs' are not as bright as others.
When I was in the Air Force during the 60's, I worked for a light colonel who kicked out about 20% of his unit because he had been passed over for his bird. His last 8 months was duck when he got mad at you.
He used the 39-16 discharges.
Sounds like he did not deserve to be promoted
I had one buddy in Airborne with me who had Weight Issues. He was on his last thread and about to get the boot. He opted to have Surgery. And fat sucked out. He saved his career by 6#.
Jesus christ thats the dumbest shit I've heard in a long time.
It's such BS that they kick solders out for doing drugs on their own time. Here in Canada, you're allowed to smoke weed in the military and the sky hasn't fallen.
In the US Military, you have no "own free time".
You're clearly never been in the military 🙄
@@eq1373 I was in for over 5 years
The Canadians wont need to be sober when the balloon goes up because the American GIs will step up.
I have trained with the Cadanian Army. My hunting buddies have more firepower and shoot better.
When I was in 86 to 92 guy got kicked out for writing bad checkd
Oh yes, that is a legit reason. Especially, if he had Secret or Higher clearance.
Back in 2005 I was in aviation and it was 100% testing at random. An E5 tested positive for crystal meth prior to deployment. They knocked him down to E1, assigned him to guard duty in Iraq as an E1 where his attitude degraded and art 15 piled up and when we got back to the states he was put up for general discharge. A a soldier who was junior smoked pot and got the same "punishment" of posting guard in Iraq all year as an E1 and he improved enough to stay in but he was drug tested every week
Hey man Ik this is a late ass response but I smoke pot as well and was wondering how quick it took you to detox or if it’s even worth it to smoke?
Wow. This one brought back memories of Germany in 1978-79. I was an Armor Officer and the Battalion Commander did not want drug charges showing up on the MP blotter report, so the SOB wouldn't allow us to report druggies in the ranks. We did pull, "Health and Welfare" inspections and if we found hash or any other drug item in a soldiers locker, I would take them to the bathroom and ask them if it was theirs. If they said, "No", then I would let them watch as I flushed the drugs down the toilet. They would be in tears as I had just cost them a lot of money, but we did what we could. Our leadership was chickensh*t in those Carter administration years.
We had a soldier in my unit in the National Guard who was ex Navy. He was very overweight, never took P.T Tests or much of anything for that matter. He was a Cook and out unit got catering service during drills and often AT as well. He also had mental issues as he'd continue to talk to himself and bite his finger over and over again. One instance I hopped on the Bus, waiting to leave the range. He was the only other person on the Bus so far and after witnessing him talking to himself and angrily biting his finger, I got back off the buss and one of the E-5s laughed and commented to me that no feels comfortable being along with him.
Despite this, they let him stay for two years so he could finish out his 20.
For weight, the Army usually gives the soldier a chance to lose weight by enrolling them in the weight control program first. The soldier needs to lose 3-8 pounds a month to stay in and make satisfactory progress on the weight control program. I was on weight control a few times. Lost the weight each time and got promoted. I only saw one soldier booted for being over weight. Now I am on the VAs weight loss program called MOVE lol. I struggled with weight my whole life. A lot depends on what type of soldier you are. If you fail tape but are a good troop otherwise your command will usually work with you. What a lot of commands do is not allow overweight soldiers to reenlist and force the overweight troop to ETS.
Hey Christopher, I have a question. I understand during AIT, I believe you're not allowed to go anywhere alone. You're given some sort of buddy. I wanted to know what happens if your buddy's training is completed before yours. Are you immediately assigned to a different barracks for a different buddy?
I plan on becoming a 35T, which AIT is about 40 weeks. Safe to assume whoever I'm buddied with will be done and gone before I am. Thanks.
Anyone can be your battle buddy, youre not typically “assigned” one.
The people you are with would be there for the same MOS and start and finnish at the same time as you. You would all be the same class.
@@christopherchaos Thanks again 👍
I got off active duty in 2008 and it was zero tolerance failing a urinalysis. You come up hot, your done. You get your 45/45, 2 weeks forfeiture of pay, and reduction in rank. While your doing your 45/45 your doing all of your out processing requirements during that time so that when your done your escorted off the base. Maybe it was just my unit.
My unit did a UA every week and I was on the list every time for months never failed. Also a DUI was automatic to get someone kicked out and this was from 2012-2015.
awesome video man :) keep it up super helpful infos
When I was in medical discharge was the most common.
I've had 4 of my troops kicked out. 2 for drugs, 3rd for assault of another soldier, 4th for SHARP
Number 6: they just aren't _cool_ enough. "Stay frosty" is a proto vibe check.
How do I study for the ASVAB, that's the only thing holding me back.
I recommend buying the Kaplan ASVAB Prep Plus (2020-2021) version. Worked wonders, read that book cover to cover.
Grammar hero on youtube. Got me a pretty high score.
Asvab for Dummies 2021 is the best option, went from 55 to 78 after studying a couple weeks, good luck dude!
@@antoniofranco77 What was your gt?
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You forgot to say pregnant in bootcamp they get kick out so fast.
@@ydgydywbg pun intended?
Something wrong there.
I never heard of a SM being kicked out of basic for being pregnant.
Sms will not be allowed into basic while being pregnant.
If one becomes pregnant during basic. They are pulled out of basic training ( same with AIT) and become holdover status. Until they are no longer pregnant. Then they resume training.
Now. They may be given the option to leave serve. On soldiers choose. But they may not be forced out. This is a legal issue. That if pushed can result in the Army paying for everything for the child. By everything, I am refering to birth, day care, schooling, college ECT, ECT.
So as you can see. It in the Army's best interest to allow the young lady to continue her training when able and ETS out.
Another, is after the child is born. Unable to provide care. No care plan. A mother may choose to leave serves. From my experience, the Army move pretty quick on this chaptering. And in no way, hurt the mother if down the road. She decides to reenlist.
And yes this can happen in basic.
I tried this and my girlfriend left me 😆
@@pychohobo1832 thats complete BS, we had a chick report to our unit at knox fresh out of AIT when I was in a few months pregnant and showing
@@HeywoodJablome I'm not understanding what you are saying is B'S.
The poster claiming PG is grounds to be discharged QUICK from basic
Or
What I said above.
If you are referring to the poster. Which means I agree with you. As I believe I have shown.
Just as a FYI. I know a female that was reenlisting. Had a break in serves. She was not going to a new AIT, just strait to permanet party. At MEPS it was found she was pregnant. She was denied to reenlist at that point. Personally, I felt there should have been a waiver because she was prior serves, not going into AIT. And her husband was also reenlisting. ( Same day). She ended up waiting another year to go back in. Which in the long run, caused her death 2 years later.
In the early 90's, in Germany, we weighed in every month. If you missed weight, the first time, you were on extra PT and restriction. If you missed on the next weigh-in you were given an AR15, miss a third time, you were discharged. Now, if you showed improvement at each weigh in, you were ok, even a pound or two. But you had to meet weight/height standards before 6 months or you were gone.
I was released from the military back in January 2020 because of a deployment injury that never healed properly. My unit gave me a few chances but stilled chaptered me out. My command wouldn't allow me to partake in employment opportunities from SFLTAP. I had 30 days of leave saved up to sell. The army took all of that and just left my family and me without any money, hours away from any family member, and no way of taking care of my family financially.
Your story sounds a bit fishy. If you were injured and chaptered out you would be medically discharged and then receive VA disability for a service connected injury. Also the leave being cashed out is an automatic system. They dont get to choose to keep it and if there is an error and you don't get it then they have to fix it. The Army also has to pay for your travel back to where you will be living when you get out. Now if you did something you were not supposed to do then this might make seance to a point.
Nice story. LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@@christopherchaos Thank you for replying and I apologize if what I've said didn't make any sense. Since the deployment, I've been doing the best I could to get the medics to help but my last unit just made me take back-to-back pt tests without any time for either remedial pt or any type of recovery. My leave was taken because of a bonus I've received for reenlisting. So far as the moving, the army has paid to move our housing but to get my family to our destination we were in a really bad predicament. For the 5 years of my active service, I've tried to be the best soldier I could have been I'm just disappointed in how everything transpired
In basic, we had one person pulled from training the day before graduation over SHARP and EO. Not sure if they got chaptered or not.
Proving adultery is next to impossible. Unless someone is seen actually in the act, they can simply deny it. The only case I saw during my 20 years was a female in Germany who got pregnant even though her husband was in the States and they hadn't seen each other in a year.
I know Multiple people who have been chaptered. 1 was domestic abuse, 3 were APFT failures, 1 was a DWI/DUI, and 1 was for being over wieght.
30 years ago writing bad checks would get you kicked out.
When I was with B 2-8 CAV, we had a soldier who transferred in and immediately was a troublemaker. To get him removed from us the CO had the company do a planned drug test on a Friday before a three-day Weekend. That Tuesday, he had the whole company do a "surprise" drug test in which this PoS was caught. He was gone within a month.
I’ve been regular Army early nineties and early 2010’s. The early nineties were different. Homosexuality got you kicked out quick with one caveat you’d have to be a screw up and gay. I had a Lesbian in my unit who kept a girlfriend in her barracks room. Nobody bothered her. The gay male who was known for serving up dudes in those same barrack wasn’t nearly as good a soldier got chaptered.
The PT failure chapter is probably the worst. You’d have to work super hard at failing the old PT test multiple time. Even with drugs you can say I need help. They will pit in ASAP program.
Chapters usually are pretty hard to do, can take months. Most Commanders would prefer to give a bar to re-enlistment. Great video.
One of my units in the 90s we had females on our floor. We had lesbians living there. No one cared.
Drugs, theft, civil offence i.e rape or domestic violence as well as discipline reasons. They are dishonourable discharges within the Australian army, and yes, I’ve seen soldiers go this way plenty of times. I’ve experienced being in a section of 9 soldiers, reduced to 4 with 5 soldiers being dragged off pre-MilSkills training, one of the guys was done via his wife calling the police on him. Theft in the barracks, one guy was trashing the barracks rooms, when the entire battalion was out bush, he was drummed out of the battalion and was placed in the cells ‘for his own protection just prior to the drumming where he had to walk the ring road, lined by all of the 700 plus members which turned their backs on him. I was medically discharged, my pack was way to heavy, being a grunt did it for me.
Germany ‘85 one of my platoon leaders in my company was arrested while I was the NCOIC on CQ,.. for at that time stabbing a civilian at a concert... he was squared away as fuck just lost his bearing. His dad was a preacher and was also there doing the arrest. Sad
At about 30 seconds in you said "drug test" and I'm all pause the video, man, I gotta take a hit on the pipe! Nice to be high... be cool, Chaos!
When I was in the army there were married soldiers cheating all the time, it was a common practice, I don't recall anybody getting disciplined for it.
There are also people that do drugs all the time and don't get in trouble too. It all comes down to proving it to get in trouble.
@@christopherchaos It is very hard to chapter for Adultery. They have to be witnessed in the act and provin without a shadow of a doubt. Only once I saw it happen. Female SPC was fuckin a SSG in the showers in Kuwait. Someone walked in and witnessed them fucking. Hard evidence.
I got medically retired from the AF in 2013 after 15yrs. Security Forces, Civil Engineering, and Maintenance get chaptered out left and right monthly. It was in the commanders briefing every week who was coming in and going out.
I saw a lot of people get fucked by the system. Most of it was people doing it to themselves.
I received the standard Honorable Discharge after 4 years, but with a RE-2 designation. This originally destroyed me. Looking back, it's meaningless. I've accomplished more than I ever expected.
QMP - Where what you did several years ago can come back to haunt you during a reduction-in-force.
Do people get kicked out for mental health diagnosis? And would it be an honorable discharge or would it be a dishonorable discharge? Examples include schizophrenia which commonly develops in the early to mid 20's. PTSD is also an issue. I know PTSD can be treated but many mental health issues can prevent people from being effective in combat or life in general. How does the military deal with it? Some people are not mentally ill but are completely unsuitable for the military. Someone could be a sociopath or psychopath and be functional and not break any rules and meet the requirements. Except for the bat shit crazy part.
That Friday safety brief that you always ignore.
Your actually pretty accurate as to soldiers being chaptered. Every blue moon a soldier or NCO would be chaptered because they RCP. basically ran out of time before they could get promoted to the next pay grade. This was usually happening to E5(P) that were 92As because the cutoff scored stayed 798. But pissing hot, DUI or domestic violence and failing to meet height and weight or failing APFTs were the top ones. I have been in units where we chaptered soldiered out because of multiple misconduct such as disrespect to NCOs, always being late for formation, basically not giving a F### and after a few ART 15s and reductions in rank with lots of extra duty it was time for a chaptered 13 misconduct discharge.
Marines, Okinawa, early 1990's.
"Fall out and into formation in P.T. gear and stand by for:
ANY tattoos that can be seen. Being overweight.
Or, "just not looking good in uniform."
And if you have any charges... "
Some got options, some got immediately dissmissed from duty.
Those of us who were left, got the old:
"Standby for more" upcoming responsibility (for those of us who are left)!
With big (yep, this is going to suck) $hit eating grins, from our commanders.
As they looked at the few of us that were left.
The last one was the kicker, 'cause they weren't kidding!
Back in 1981 we had a soldier in the unit who would not shower do his laundry or clean his room he just didn't care he was thrown out
how often do folks that are not meeting weight standards are also not meeting physical fitness standards? or, is not meeting physical fitness stabdards another possibLe reason to be let go?
Not passing your record PT tests twice is reason enough to be kicked out but I've seen people be given constant breaks and at least one guy I know has seemingly always failed height/weight in addition to always failing his record PT tests (our last record PT test was in September 2019 btw and me and this guy have both been in for about four and a half years and I don't believe he has passed a single PT test since AIT. He is finally getting chaptered now because he failed a drug test)
My first unit was so fucked up you were more likely to get chaptered out than to transfer out.
In the Guard, we had a Lautenburg Amendment check annually.
A felony conviction will, too. A CCIR has to be filed and the chain of command updated monthly. A guilty plea or conviction will automatically get one kicked out.
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First off I just want to say thank you to all men and women in uniform past and present who have fought and served our country I always wanted to be in the military but unfortunately that dream never came to fruition as I am partially blind and that disqualified me but I do have a question for you guys who have served if somebody is deemed untrainable it's something in the army is that grounds for being kicked out of the army or would they just find something else for you to do?
That would be on a case by case basis. Most likely it would be grounds for a Chapter 13 (Unsatisfactory Performance).
Army 1984-1991 and after we came back from Iraq at the end of the year they had a WEIGH IN and of course I was over weight. My First Sargent in the past had talked to me once before he got promoted about not re enlisting. So I went into his office and told him I was ready to get out, he walked out to the CQ and told to them to go down to Battalion Headquarters and get my clearing papers. 10 days later I was a civilian. NO regrets
I am going to try to make this short. I was in The Army From 74 76. National Guard 80-82. About 2 months into Basic Training. We had a mass formation. Called by one mean DI. We were not givening time to dress. We were told a guy had over dosed. We were also told that the doctors that gave him the physical were not 100 per cent sure if he was on drugs or not and they let him in anyways. We were also told that supposed idly he was being watched. If he was they failed to watch him real good.