How Good Is Tailoring?
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- Опубликовано: 28 авг 2024
- I've been playing on a sprinter server with infection turned off and it made me realize how strong tailoring is. It's not going to perfectly protect you, but it sure is great to have the numbers on your side once in a while.
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/ retanaru
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I thought I'd finally got into a position to grind tailoring for the second time in 700+ hours. I've got the first three books, and I thought ahead and shredded a whole load of clothing...but I realised I lack one thing.... A needle. The one game that I can't find a needle. Sometimes I wonder if there's a dev just watching me in real time, playing sadistic DM ; - ;
fuckin same bro
fuckin same bro
Yeah... this is why mods are almost necessary for a somewhat reliable level of grind and sustainability. Hydrocraft, despite being somewhat inconsistent in drops when scavenging out in the world, is the only thing I've found that reliable allows me to obtain necessary items without RNG, and with semi-legitimate tasks. It's a whole rabbit hole of recipes and items, but it gives you a lot of freedom and gives the game a lot more levels. If you get it, a wishbone (which can be found by hunting ducks/chickens) can be used to make a bone needle/knitting needles.
On my current MP playthrough we found like 5 needles lol. Zombies just had sowing kits for some reason
In my game a suture needle can be turned into a regular needle, but I don't see anything about it on the wiki. I don't think I have any mods that would specifically add that recipe, but ymmv.
Man tailoring is a skill many don't pay attention to, but it ends up saving you a lot of times.
One time I managed to get it at level 10, patched my desert camo outfit in leather patches and it saved me from 3 attacks in a row because that goddam violin sound freaked me out, making me open chrome by accident.
I've never freaked out like that over the sound haha, I've thought about playing without it so I get jumpscared way more easily
@@digheld3129 Just in case I don't scream, but whenever it gets me unknowingly I end up with the cursor clicking another program lol.
That was a good and hearty chuckle you just gave me. Don't surprise me with a laugh attack like that!
LMAO😂😂
@Jack Frost how did you do that? Is that a mod?
Army Coat, Long Johns and Overalls are god-tier when it comes to tailoring, just by how much they cover. With level 10, you can have ~70 bite / 100 scratch protection on your entire body* (with the exception of neck and hands).
@Salt Meister I think it gives neck protection
@Salt Meister Only benefit of the army coat is that its penalties are less. And since movement doesn't matter currently, it's just the attack speed that is gained (and I never even tested if it works, but I presume it does).
OP
Police riot helm protects the neck i belive. Idk if the game seperates the front and back.
Thanks for venturing into the deep end of tailoring for us! Here's wondering what all of that padded gear looks like. Bloody leather&denim samurai armor, I wager.
There's a four-way highway intersection south of west point that has a gas station, used car lot, spiffos, and clothing store. Every playthrough I grab the mechanics, electronics, and tailoring books and read them while gorging myself on ice cream to fix my underweight. Then I rip up all the clothes for thread and tailoring and mess with all the cars for mechanics and disassemble radios for electronics and wait for the helicopter to show.
That's a top tier spot in MP when everyone else is busy looting the towns.
@@Retanaru its the main way from Maldrough to West point though, and by extension rosewood, at least for the people I play with, so decently high traffic
Isn't it inbetween Mauldraugh and West point?
I never realized how OP Protect From Melee was in Project Zomboid.
This is PZ not OSRS
@@zxyeb The joke
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Your head
Yes I know, 8 month old comment.
There is a mod in the workshop basically use "Auto Tailoring". The char patches and unpatches the clothing, which really eases the pain in training it up.
grinding Tailoring on a MP server is the whole reason I'm actually afraid of dying on that server. Lile hell I'd want to do that again.
Get a friend to hold modified clothing for your playthrough character and keep crafter at base.
@@olaf5929 huh, I guess it never occurred to me to mass produce back up clothes in the event I died
Everybody's talking about how to rip clothes, but nobody takes time to say RIP Fireman Gear as we can't repair you. :'|
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Tailoring Fix mod :] lets you repair unrepairable items at level 10
@@Sapion20 that is some serious knowledge there, thank you for that tip!!
I found 3 sewing kits, tore apart all clothes of zombies I killed in a month
Didn't make level 1 Tailoring after removing and reapplying ripped sheets; dear lord do you need those books lmfao.
I feel like using Denim and Leather strips ought to give more exp
If you start with the Sewer trait you'll get 400% experience gain on top of other bonuses such as books.
I agree, especially since denim and leather strips are rarer to come by and would motivate players to use excess strips.
@@MsHojat I'm sorry, 400%? I thought each point up to 3 gave 75/100/125 sequentially?
@@quinnlee-miller9792 The default multiplier is 25%, and starting at lvl 1 brings it to 100%
@@zachjensen9235 oh so they meant the actual multiplier gets a 400% boost
Also: look out for Home VHS cassettes! Two of them give xp in tailoring!
@Asterius 'Granny Nani' and 'Tailoring 101'. Other skill home VHS are 'OSCC '92' and 'stock car's (mech), 'nof vid' and 'no 9' (metal), 'Muldraugh AV Club' and 'TV repair' (electric), 'RMFA' and 'Combat Wound Management' (First Aid).
Here's some really good clothes i suggest people layer:
Hawaiian shirt (Super low insulation)
V-neck sweater (relatively low insulation)
Denim shirt (good base protection and lots of coverage)
Bandeau/crop top (These give no insulation at all)
Desert camo jacket. (low insulation)
Desert camo pants (super low insulation)
long socks (also covers shins)
Long johns (Covers entire body)
Yes, all of these can be worn at the same time.
Then of course, there's helmets (I strongly recommend any sports helmet as these dont give insulation)
Leather gloves and any boots. (Just take sneakers)
and here I am running in shorts & a hoodie XD
That's fine too, leaves you with a bit more carrying capacity!
Tailoring is even more powerful when used with the mod that lets you cut strips into thread, turn thread into twine, and twine into rope (and in reverse with a material loss). Having turbo-patched clothing is great, and so is having enough rope to bundle up and haul the small field of trees you just cut down. :p Especially with a big box van.
I know the mod you're talking about, but I can't remember the name, I'd like to use it for my next playthrough.
Looks like we may be getting similar mechanics in build 42 with this ground-up crafting system, but we haven't been shown any weaving so far.
Having gotten tailoring to level 10 on a character (and about to again) hot damn do leather patches save your life. If I remember correctly I had long Johns, Bandue, T-shirt, jacket, scarf, balaclava, hat, pants, and long socks all giving me layered defense, and was basically untouchable at full durability/patches.
Runescape, Elona, and Zomboid. Truly a man after my own heart
unrelated but if you hold alt (manual ground attack) and space while holding a melee weapon you attack without delay, very useful if using fences.
I'll try this today
Also If you hold the attack button (default F1) let the character swing once and after first swing you spam push (default space) you skip the "resting between swings" animation so you hit faster (about 30% faster)
@@boombeepboomboop Interesting, I'll try it out, thanks
plus, u can lower the car window and do instant melee attacks, theres no delay, ever.
also another thing I discovered recently: the firefighter helmet can be worn alongside the welding mask for practical purposes + layering defense
Edit: turns out this is an added feature from the Scrap Armour mod
are you sure that's not a mod ?
@@HoverCat I don't think so, I don't have any clothing related mods aside from scrap armour
@@Dylan_Otto scrap armour affects it, there's the scrap cat mask made from the welding mask and the creator made a new slot called "welding mask other" (spotted with all clothing unlocked feature)
@@homebodygaymale ah I see, thanks for the info. Disregard my comment then XD
You can tailor while driving. Just take patches on and off while driving long distances and you'll level easily.
I wouldn't say easily, but it's definitely an efficient usage of time
Can't wait to do this while driving 90mph
The broken leg incident...
I probably won't try that. Not after what happened when I relaoded my shotgun while driving. Don't reload and drive kids
doing anything while driving is great way to get wrapped around a tree lol
I had no idea that you could get thread from ripping up clothes, thanks for mentioning that 👍
Tailoring is really nice, I decided that while play MP my most recent character would try to be a tailorer. I think with like 5 or 6 I was reaching really high protection and felt good.
The next three times I got hit, it was on the hands, the one spot you have minimal options to cover.
RIP(ped sheets)
This is why I play on Saliva Only. It feels so dumb and so stupid to zombify so easily and essentially make tailoring and first aid a completely useless set of skills.
The hand protection in Project Zomboid is incredibly silly lmao.
I mean, why wouldn’t the gloves of a FIREFIGHTER’S outfit protect you from broken glass?
thank you been trying to get my friends to listen
Just watched a video from September. I came back to this video to comment on the audio, but you have actually made your voice louder+clearer vs the background music! No comment needed ^^ so, thank you!
Great video. I'd love to see you cover fishing. It seems pretty self-explanatory at face-value, but I'm like 90% sure there's no meaningful difference between fishing with tackle and using a spear, despite it being very easy to assume otherwise.
I've basically compiled a list of different clothing that gives you the best stock protection, and then layer everything with leather strips. Basically, you create the armor of god! 😁 And I've stockpiled around 100 denim and leather strips so far, as well as around 600 ripped sheets!
Straight to the point and informative video. I hope you're enjoying Leagues 3.
LOL The prayer flick intro XD Love your vids dude keep it up!
Tailoring is so good and a should skill to grind. After much grinding and accidents, it can save you especially if your focusing on melee. Multiple layers makes you probably invincible if the zed doesn't bite your neck.
They really should change the look of the patches at least for when you get a high enough level so it looks more like proper added padding instead of looking like a hobo's clothes.
Question: I'm an avid user of layers and the tailoring perk. Wearing layers in the summer will use more water due to overheating, but you didn't mention how it will also make you soaked with sweat really quick. How do you best mitigate that issue, cause it can cause you to get a fever and die very quick which has killed me more often than a zombie scratch has.
The truly simplest answer is to take Outdoorsman
I recently had a game where I had my tailoring to level 10 and patched everything up with leather strips. It was my first game with level 10 tailoring.
After that, I decided to go on a food looting run in residential houses while leveling up my electrical skill to level 3 to carry with me a washing machine (you need electrical level 3 to pick up a washing machine)
Once I got on the third house, I decided to put my looted stuff in the trunk but because inventory management takes a long time in this game, I sped up the game.
A group of three zombies suddenly came at me and bit my hand, the one part that's least protected to bites.
So i thought I'd just try to kill as many zombies as possible to get their thread before my character gets infected so I can give all the thread to my new character and have him level up his tailoring.
But my attack speed with melee weapons were so bad with my bitten arm so I couldn't farm too much and my firearm selection wasn't too good either.
Grub
So strong I can't find expert tailoring books on mp
E.also are you trying to include rs content
I probably grabbed them all already. Don't bother looking for the master book cause I took that too.
Looks like it is time to do 12-16 times the grinding; boy are you going to hope you started out with sewer and have fast learner.
Lacking the books sucks.
i like how direct you are in your videos you only take a minute to explain how to do something while others take like ten or twenty
Could you do a video on horde/swarm dynamics? Like how they come to together, how they move, how the leader is determined, and how many there can be?
Mulit-layers is actually not only increases water consumpition but also lead you to faster exhaustion at summer time.
Remember that as long as you play single player you can easily manipulate time to incease tailoring grind speed. Just enable "resume normal speed when timed actions complete" under "accessibility" game options tab and then hit F6 (fast forward x3) right after you click to apply/remove patches. Doing that tailoring is always the first skill I hit level 10 at. Works for grinding other skills, like reloading, too!
The OSRS music combined with the zombies changes it from Runescape to Run Escape
The first time I heard about runescape back in the day I thought it was a horror game called Run Escape.
Flicking that prayer. Very efficient.
Liked for the informative video. Subbed for the prayer flicking.
My motto is "just don't get hit bro" I'm previously a heavily armored type of guy but when i got scratched by a lunging zombie and dying from it months in the game i changed sides. I only wear minimum amount of clothes (to avoid overheating or cold) or good looking ones to reduce weight as much as possible.
wow what a needed vid dud great job omg!
Saw the prayer flicking and insta subbed ;)
I noticed that a back stab always seems to target the least protected part and I think it is a guaranteed break through regardless of resistance. Also, I am not sure but it seems like zombies still tend to attack the least protected body part. From the multiple times I have ran around in full protection on most parts but I seem to keep getting hit in the neck, hands, and groin where I lack layers something like 8/10 times when attacked from the front. I have mostly abandoned heavy protection for light weight gear. As a side note in my tests I found that weapon skill block chance is allot more effective in preventing death.
Yes, this I also get the same thing, covered everything except hands, I would say 9 out of 10 times i get hit in the hands, cover everything except neck, again I was getting hit the most in the neck to the point it made me put my gloves away and switch my pants to long denim shorts just so I uncover more parts and not die in 30 seconds cuz of neck bleeding.
(Idk if it does matter but I play single player and with infection disabled, someone must test this some more)
100% as soon as I layered up I swear I got bit in the neck 6 times in a row. I'll best testing it at some point.
I think there's a genuine reason for this which isn't what you're thinking; namely, you'll only notice getting hit in these areas more because they're the spots you're taking body damage and not armour damage. The game is pretty sadistic so it wouldn't surprise me if the zombies have something in their AI that makes them favour the juicy spots, but a lot of it is just a form of survivorship bias I think.
Can you make a guide on the timing for prayer flicking?
In the next video I'll teach you how to delay attacks just like how you can spam click an item under an enemy to stop them from attacking you.
@@Retanaru After that can you show us how to trick the game into thinking your in the main menu so zombies ignore you? Just like the fake log bug that stops NPCs and players from attacking you.
@@kevinf10000 its on my list.
What is prayer flicking?
@@noahwhite6817 It's a technique to save prayer points in a game called Runescape.
another wholesome video
You got that pray flick in the right tick my dude
lmao at the prayer flashing hahah
for a game that aims for realism this is just silly, but very useful, thanks
I always thought tailoring to be OP specially with leather arm/legs wrappings. After a while I discovered that those wrap armor were from Paw Low Loot mod and not Vanilla lol
I prefer finding a leather jacket full of holes and just patch holes then remove, seems to give more xp. I have a jacket with seven holes on it.
The wiki says that using leather gives more xp, don't know if it's accurate though. I always have plenty of leather so I started grinding with it. Thread is always the bottleneck
Ever since I got a gun and many ammos, I no longer use any shirt. I just go around half naked with jeans, aviator glasses, and a cowboy hat with a big iron on my side. Unless it's winter where I go outside with black long sweater, black jeans, black leather gloves, a balaclava, and a ski goggles.
Have you tested how Thin/Thick Skinned interacts with clothing? I'm surprised there's barely any information at all about it.
Read the title, agreed. Read the comments, also can't find a needle when I want one, and 3+ when I don't need them. Love this game.
Can you do a Prayer XP guide for Project Zomboid next? I want to Pray Melee. :P
What do you mean 'prayer xp'?
Gotta wait for the zombies to rot into skeletons and then bury them 8 tiles west of the wildy altar.
@@Retanaru I heard the well at the hunting cabin north-west of Muldraugh doubles as an Ectofuntus.
Hey Retanaru, would you do a video on the thin and thick skinned traits? I see a lot of strong opinions on both sides and it would be awesome to have some actual data, particularly on how they interact with clothing protection levels.
Thank you for making quality content! I love how concise your videos are.
There isn’t a strong argument for thick skinned. You want to take perks that will actively be helping you not ones that *might* help you when you’ve put yourself in a bad spot. Thin skinned is the go to because it’ll allow you to take perks that will make it so you don’t get bitten in the first place.
If you wanted numbers I believe it decreases the chance of zombies breaking the skin by 2.5% or around the amount of a leather patch. Thin skinned of course does the opposite.
@@johnsullivan186 I think thick skinned is a 30-40% increase to your base chance to avoid taking damage from an attack. Does it scale with weapon skill? The way that's its worded seems to suggest that it does. And how does it affect the distribution of scratches, bites and lacerations? I think the chance for clothing to absorb an attack is rolled separately, but that would also mean that thick skinned also has the marginal benefit of keeping your precious long johns free of holes.
we need a searchable haystack somewhere in the world with a guaranteed needle
Can you do a video about whether or not darkness affects zombies noticing you?
Maybe inconspicuous, light footed, night owl, and graceful are much more effective when you venture out at night
Get the auto tailoring mod. All it does is add a training option which will patch/unpatch the current slot until you run out of materials.
If you really don’t want to add that, use clothing with lots of slots so that add/remove all does more per click.
Pro tip, try to kill zombies in one small pile. You’ll be able to rip clothing from anything within range, which makes ripping a lot less tedious.
I prefer the armor bits mod I have to this. Scrap armor that allows decent protection of the neck as well :)
I’ve got shoulder pads that protect the neck and shoulders, and thigh guards in case any scratch me as they fall.
Had a couple close calls, but they’ve finally been what I was looking for to save my clutzy arse from the undead I probably couldn’t outright solo an entire hoard, but I’m not scared of a single zombie anymore at least :)
Retanaru, could you do a video on resting in a bed VS just sitting + Standing? The wiki seems to be lacking on the topic.
I'm not sure what the best approach is for quickly removing exertion when power levelling fitness.
Resting + Sitting improves stamina regen, for sure. Can fully rest before the full "rest bar time" fills, can't by just resting.
Sitting+resting is faster. ruclips.net/video/Pua4zuixNn0/видео.html
Love your theorycrafting videos mate! Query, is the chance for clothes to not be damaged by wading through trees cumulative/additive from the thick skinned trait/outdoorsman and the park ranger/lumberjack profession?
What it was in the end? :D
It's the home teleport from the OSRS league that is going on right now. Its the game most of the music in my videos comes from.
Finding a needle can sometimes be like........finding a needle
Wow that is just like real life. Kinda
I know a guy who was attacked by a mountain lion while wearing a whole winter suit and he was barely hurt because the clothes stopped most of the scratches and bites.
I had seen another guy on the news who had been attacked by a mountain lion while wearing just shorts and a t shirt and oh boy it wasn’t a pretty sight.
There is a VHS tape that will level it up as well.
question- what do lacerations count as in the context of the armor screen?
Asking the real questions, here.
Nice prayer flicking
wow nice prayer flicking
So tailoring is OP. Holy Moly... I will give an extra attention to this skills on my first run. Guess will be recorded to be uploaded someday.
love that osrs/zomboid combo
Love the rs reference xd
I don't know if this's been brought up, you can turn a nail into a needle with a hammer, I think its vanilla, but may be handy for when you're stuck with looking for a needle in a ... well, haystack ?
Nice prayer flicks :)
Yes its strong but... not as much as irl
Idk if the game got updated but having 1 arm worth of patch from a full asz leather jacket is kinda stupid
Also thread is like really easy to salvage (at least with my experience who boil down to getting myself stab with a needle for 1h just to add a pocket)
And you can add pocket so storage, make clothes, make metal patch (with a pointy thingy a cisor and a metal plate) and padding for the little cost of a lot of material and dexterity
damn nice prayer flicking
Tailoring also has bullet protection, if you get enough cloth you can survive more than your enemy, actually.
You can fing Vhs tapes for tailoring too.
Tailoring 101 and Granny Nanny. Read the books an stop the tapes when the multiplies wears off.
The grind in this game isn't about grinding the skill, it's finding the specific book you need. Which is why I (and I'm guessing a lot of other ppl) won't bother with half the skills in this game.
I wonder if the devs will come up with a solution or something
Should i overheating during summer if i have prone to illness trait? I know that there is a chance of catching a cold when you get wet. By the way, doesn't wearing too many clothes decrease your movement speed during combat?
The movement speed modifiers on clothing is currently turned off. Not sure about the combat speed ones, but you can pick your clothing around that.
Conversely you can just not let zombies touch you.
Will you do videos on the exact effects of some zombie lore settings? I'd like to know how much poor hearing and poor sight make zombies oblivious, for instance
Coming from someone who lost his character 5 minutes after hitting lvl 10 in tailoring... You're gonna get 5x more ripped sheets than thread. Literally. Finished with a handful of threads and almost 1k in ripped clothing left.
The secret technique is to watch the two tailoring vhs tapes so you only start ripping clothes after your level is higher and you get way more thread.
Like it isn't even worth ripping clothes for thread until level 4 tailoring.
@Retanaru man I didn't know there were tailoring videos! Geez, well maybe getting back to T10 won't be so bad
I feel like this is less of a 'how good is tailoring' video and more of a 'how does tailoring work', which I think most people already know. What I wanted to know is what's the best protection you can get? is there finally some way to get hand protection above the base 30% bite 50% scratch and put it alongside other body parts? Because as of now I don't want to even bother with tailoring until there is literally nothing else to do.
You can kill entire hordes without any armor much more easily as you aren't slowed down by it and if you do get grabbed by the horde or even just 3-4 zombies you die even with the best armor you could possibly get because they keep taking turns stunning you with no way out or straight up drag you down. Not to mention all the accidental deaths the armor does completely nothing against such as falls, food poisoning, car crashes.
Spending all this time lvling skill that only has a CHANCE of working against 1-2 zombies that you let bite/scratch/lacerate you, I would rather spend that time learning basic combat or lvling up my weapon skill so that never happens... Not to mention all the leather patches make my character look ugly.
I think tailoring should level up easier than Carpentry so there is no cost of the painfully long grind for the effect it has or offer something real cool such as repairing holes in clothes or protecting clothes from being damaged as the patches take the hit instead of the clothing item which you could easily replace or creating duplicates of clothes I already have but with color of my choosing. I don't want the armor to be 100% protection from everything because that would make the game super boring, but at the same time I don't want to bother spending IRL hours grinding a skill that doesn't significantly increase my chances of survival or enhance the gameplay experience.
For example you only need lvl 1 electrical for the car hotwiring, but if you reach lvl 3 you can move washing and drying machines which is just great quality of life improvement especially for when you play with the Hemophobic trait. It's really no big game changer but I enjoy grinding for it as it makes me spend less time staring at progress bar go up and I can spend it doing something more productive and fun. Something similar needs to be made with Tailoring, Medical and Trapping.
Lmao prayer flickin
You get more thread from leveling up tailoring? I didn't know. So it is a bit of a snowball, I always run out of thread wen leveling up.
Wait... why happened there at the end? :-O Is that part of the game? Lol
You can install a mod for auto-tailoring grind, so you don't need to apply patches and rip them off on your own. IMO that's a good QoL mod
the highlight of my game is when i find a needle.
needles are so insanely rare it makes tailoring so painful
Probably going to need to level this up considering I keep getting stun locked, which is infinitely worst than being bitten imho
For me, it is time wasted most of the time, with infection on, it's mostly death anyway if they grab you once. Even with protection.
If I could find a damn needle
Prayer flicking? Why didn't I think of that?
Those zombies aren't gonna know what hit 'em.
protect from meeleee
there are also rarely leather pants in louisville jsyk :)
do you get a different amount of xp depending on patch material - sheets, denim, leather?
No
You playing the new osrs league my dude?
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I use the AutoSewing mod to do the grinding automatically. No more click-fest.
There's a similar mod for mechanic that is also a life saver.
Sewing isn't much of a click fest though. For getting the sheets and thread you just select "rip clothing > all" on a pile of corpses. Then for patching get a leather jacket (or long Johns), inspect, then select "add padding to all". you really won't need many clicks, but you will have to perform those 2 clicks every 40 seconds or so.
Is that all the mod does? reduce the 4 clicks a minute to closer to 0 clicks a minute? I think mods that makes tailoring easier is not good (at least in a public multiplayer sense, or for anyone who wants an equal difficulty as other players get) since it devalues the huge benefit that the Sewer trait gives, but if all AutoSewing does is make you click 50 less times then I don't see it as much of a problem.
@@MsHojat The mod only makes it so that your character performs the patching and removing automatically by having a "Train Tailoring" button. You can speed it up on SP and in MP at least you wouldn't need to supervise the character. Same thing for the AutoMechanics and AutoReloading mod, it makes it so the character does the work, not you.
to me it seems people dont like tailoring for two reasons: leveling it is tedious and you have to keep repatching clothing when the patchings get torn. They go wear firefighter jacket and only ditch it on 20% durability or something, thinking as if it behave as other games durability system. Noooooo! all clothings when they get damaged means that part of body it was damaged is not protected at all!
What's funny is you can repair the clothes after it gets torn which is way better than hunting for more on zombies. The major hate for tailoring is that they all seem to use it and then promptly run to their death thinking they are protected and then publicly declare tailoring bad.