As a progressive/reform, I am quite heartened by this show by both to continue unity. We may be Hassidic, Orthodox, Masorti, Karaite, Reform/Liberal, Reconstructionist or Kabbalistic but in the end we are a family, a big family that often has arguments!
@@dumbmusorowan Nobody cares, we will continue ignoring them and fighting them off the holy places. You are not Jews, you are Christians. You do not believe in god, you wouldnt dare to change his words if you did. Just a bunch who reacreated Judaism for fun.
Reform (deformed) Judaism is not the best movement, nor is it genuine or kosher. Until you repent and come back to Orthodoxy, then we'll see you as a fellow Jewish convert.
This is truevwe have divisions among our selves. We need and want to stand together as one people even though we approach Judaism differently. Shalim be upon Israel always.
I have Sephardic heritage so I'll probably do my conversion in the Sephardic rite, however I'm open to go to any Conservative or Orthodox Shul/Synagogue where I feel at home if it feels best to me. I have a lot of Ashkenazi friends. It seems a lot of women who love their faith are in the Conservative movement because women are able to connect with HaShem in the way they feel most connected and don't have as stringent dress code rules to follow.
I'm Ashkenazi and I've always admired the mindset of the Sephardim and Mizrachim. While they have a rich history of intellectual exploration they haven't over-intellectualized Judaism as Ashkenazim have at the expense of spirituality. Also they seem less tainted by over a millenium in Europe. I think after the First Temple fell and the subsequent exile Judaism became overly legalistic and overly intellectual. I compare the tepid, rote observance of today with what I'd imagine it was like when we were there together at the foot of Har Sinai.
Admit it or not the division is there. The Orthodox are not very accepting of the Reform. Been there, experienced the rejection, isolation. It's painful.
In the UK Reform Judaism grew out of the Sephardi community - they were a breakaway from Bevis Marks Synagogue - that is why in many Reform shuls we so often do Hagbah before reading the Torah
We should never forget the essential fact: The Nazis done no distinction between orthodoxes, messianics, reformistes, conservatists, no religion Jews. All Jews were considered as Jews, and therefore with Yellow Star and at the end to Concentration Chambers. For gentiles, there is only one judaism for all. They don´t know more. We should never forget the past, our past.
It seems to me that when Sfardim go off the way, they generally continue to believe: they just don't do. So devout and secularist Sfardim remain together because they share faith. Ashkenazim, however, when they go off the way, they come up with idealogical justification for not believing at all. Therefore devout and secular Ashkenazim are intellectual rivals.
Conservative and Reform are historically related to the Protestant Reformation. For example, German Reform modeled itself on Lutheranism. Sephardic countries are mostly Islamic, and Islam had no reformation to serve as a model for Sephardic Jews.
Interesting, I had never heard that before. The Protestant Reformation dates back to the 1500's, does the Jewish Reform movement date back that far? I thought it was more recent.
@@margaritakleinman5701 Don't pay attention to the pseudo-historical nonsense, and the fantasies of profoundly ignorant people who pretend to observe "the law" and make up absurdities. For the Orthodox, the scriptures are like a game of trivial pursuit, or a game of upmanship where each one tries to be more irrational than the next: on Shabbat you can't open an umbrella, it's work; can't defrost orange juice it's cooking. You should look up the Yashiva game called Blessings Bee, where children have to learn what kind of blessing goes with the different kind of foods; and in the case there are multiple ingredients in a dish, which blessing goes first. It's not funny actually. That's how they think the will of god will be fulfilled. Amen.
@@fagica Interesting and sad. Sounds kind of OCD to me, to be so obsessive about every little detail. I couldn't believe it when a friend told me not long ago that some Orthodox don't use toilet paper on the Sabbath because you have to tear it. I'm sorry, but that is simply taking the whole concept of the Sabbath way too far. I just can't believe that it is necessary to be so nitpicky, in order to please God. But that's just my humble opinion. I think God is more concerned about what kind of person you are and how you treat others, and not whether you observed a myriad of injunctions.
@@margaritakleinman5701 Here is how they solve the toilet paper problem: 1) the tear up a bunch of sheets the day before and use them on Sabbath; 2) the REAL pious ones, do the tearing all on xmas day, which, in certain traditions, is a day dominated by the devil. So they prepare the Sabbath sheets for the entire year. Isn't this what true religious observance should be like?
I assume (or hope) you're being sarcastic. This extreme interpretation of Sabbath requirements is very hard to comprehend. Tearing a piece of toilet paper after using the toilet isn't "work", it's just a necessary act that needs to be done because of our body's functions. How can that be compared to actually doing real work? The idea of the Sabbath is to refrain from the usual daily work during the week, and to focus on God. I don't think that it means that every single human activity should be considered as "work" and avoided.
Rabbi Sacks says make us all of one band (I hope I got that right) and that the greater our openness, the more diversity we can have. Is this not a contradiction? Do orthodox Jews want diversity or rather more homogeneity, where all Jews despite their own traditions observe the Torah in the one acceptable way? By the way, I am a secular Jew, so I ask this as a point information.
When Israel, ultra Orthodox attacks its own and the battle within Judaism and Netayahu letting it happen, its disgusting. Driving people away instead of uniting is utterly stupid.
Truth will always divide. Who are we?...Where we came from?...why are we here?...and where do we go after this life? In every church, synagogue or Mosque these fundamental questions will always divide . And rightfully so. But only one can and will lead to the truth. Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free. John 8:31-32 KJV
Progressive Judaism is on it's way out. Not only in the US where the progressive movement is being down-trodden and is paying a very painful price, the progressive movement in the whole of Europe is being pushed aside. One by one the European countries on the whole are being upgraded in favor of the extreme right and so will the US. The progressive reform mental mix-up had played the limited time that it had in it's favor and will very soon find itself in the gutter of civilization.
The Reform movement is strong. I being to a Reform synagogue in the USA. We have gotten bigger and have welcomed new members. We just gained a new cantor who is one of the big names in Reform Judaism in the USA. I am proud to be a Reform Jew! This fighting between Orthodox and Reform needs to stop! We need to be united as Jews instead of fighting.
Firstly I think you'll find that Conservative/Masorti and Reform synagogue do also cater for Jews of Sephardi background. However, I think there are 2 reason why Reform Judaisms grew out of Ashkenazi Judaism. Firstly it was started in Cities in Germany during the enlightenment, not the villages of Eastern Europe, or the Middle East or North Africa. Around these "city" Jews in Germany were a reevaluation of religion and a growth of science. This did not happen in the villages of Eastern Europe, or in the Middle East where muslims were still very conservative and took literal meanings of their religion. It's worth noting also that the Christian reformation also came out of Germany. The second reason is that Ashkenazi Judaism is more in diaspora whilst most Sephardi and Mizarchi Jews are in Israel. In Israel there also is very little reform or conservative Judaism, whether it be Ashkenazi or Sephardi. Meanwhile in diaspora as assimilation gained pace they adapted the religion to welcome converts more, and bought it in line with other ideologies such as liberalism, to keep people in the Jewish loop. Such a thing was not necessary in Israel, where the Jewish state kept Jews in the Jewish loop. Sephardi communities never grew big enough in diaspora for the split, and if they did they just went for the existing Ashkenazi Reform Judaisms. Anyway, that's my faults - would love to know what you think.
Sorry to tell you but reform and conservatives in the eye of the true orthodox are nothing better diffrent from a church . You are not allowed to walk in to there churches let alone repay there. And I got news for you they cater to anyone who they can get . The issue with both these movements is that they changed the Torah and if you know history reform was started by a jew and Christian. They accept intermarriage, homosexuals and if you search some do bar mitzvah for dogs. There is nothing Jewish about these people. You can't even tell me there mother is Jewish because they been intermarried for 150 years there is no way of knowing. I find it interesting the birth place of reform and conservatives is the birthplace of the holocaust.
@@irokdastar You are mistaken. Reform Judaism didn't change the Torah, they simply believe it is up to individuals to decide what parts to believe in. Conservative Jews do not support intermarriage and to marry a conservative jew you must convert. Furthermore if they have a problem with homosexuality let them also have a problem with Ruth and Naomi and David and Johnathan who pledged to love each other before Hashem who sanctified their love as holy and good.
@@dreamywhales What the heck? David and Yonatan's love was a brotherly love and not homosexual neither the love between Ruth and Naomi was. What the heck!!!
@@irokdastar you are incorrect. Reform and Conservative Jews are as Jewish as Orthodox it’s just that they interpret the Torah differently. The Rabbis actually changed the Torah in a way in that there is no longer a sacrificial system as in Leviticus and the Talmud written by many Rabbis is not in the Original Torah. Leviticus commands us to Love our neighbors as ourselves and excluding homosexuals or detesting homosexuality is not loving and is changing the Torah so in essence Reform Judaism is more in line with the Torah than Orthodox Judaism in allowing and loving homosexuals in their congregations
Somewhere in European continent, Jewish people are beeing divided in two parts: "veritable Jews" Orthodoxes ones, and "less Jews" that would be the Messianic ones. The orthodoxes are bad Jews, the Messianics friendly Jews. That shows us how it matters, bringing all Jewish People together. The proposition could be the creation of a high Home for all kinds of Judaism.
Sacks qooting Lincoln was quoting Jesus. Mark 3:25. Very amusing. Question: if you lament your exile for 2000 years and then get your homeland back and the majority of you refuse to go there, how seriously should your laments now be taken? Apparently the game has changed.
There is no connection between the title and the video, you have both 2 orthodox rabies, one Askkenazi and the other Spharadi, no conservative and reform, so what do you want?
Chris Knowles I can answer that. In the UK it's impossible to become to become a Orthodox Jew. I was turned away more than thirty times among many Orthodox Synagogues. If a black person is rich or famous then the door is open. They make conversion a very difficult process. I know a man who has been trying to convert to orthodox for about nine years. If he makes it. It will be a miracle
1111 99900 This is the problem we screw each other more than anyone else does. I was going to the Sephardi Synagogue and after about a month I was asked if I could be part of the minyan? I was asked if my grandmother was Jewish. Then I was told to bring a picture of my grandmother tombstone to prove that I was Jewish. Rabbi Dwerk was giving classes at the synagogue. We went to one time. Because the Rabbi asked me if I was a Convert. So I answer anyone this way: 1. You are not allowed to ask someone or tell someone if a person is a Convert. As I said to the Rabbi where they are celebrating now. The dearest to HaShem are those who convert. So what's the issue Solomon like his father King David was married to a black woman. Remember Orpah, Ruth and Naomi? Do you remember Boaz? So rather than follow this test we develop one called race, class, social status, profession etc. Which has nothing to do with Orpah, Ruth and Naomi or Boaz.
These are not real jews yet they talk about losing land that never really belonged to them. They are kazars, converts to judaism. An entire kingdom converted to judaism.
@@ndorphin2564 The Kazar thing is a myth, but a DNA test will only reveal your connection to other people in a database of people who have given their DNA - it won't tell you migration routes of your ancestors or connections with people who haven't given their DNA! Also, there was a bottleneck with AshK. genetics in the past - a lot of AshK. ancestry has not been passed on.
"Never go down that Ashkenazi road". Absolutely right 🤣
Rabbi Sacks was one of a kind 🙌💙🙏✡
awwwwww What a wonderful understanding, heart, message, and what a communicator. Rabbi Sacks hit me right in the feels!
As a progressive/reform, I am quite heartened by this show by both to continue unity. We may be Hassidic, Orthodox, Masorti, Karaite, Reform/Liberal, Reconstructionist or Kabbalistic but in the end we are a family, a big family that often has arguments!
Reform converts are not really Jewish.
@@slavikches6090 nobody asked
@@dumbmusorowan Nobody cares, we will continue ignoring them and fighting them off the holy places.
You are not Jews, you are Christians.
You do not believe in god, you wouldnt dare to change his words if you did.
Just a bunch who reacreated Judaism for fun.
@@dumbmusorowan I asked.
Reform converts are not Jewish. The reform (deformed) movement is not kosher.
Reform (deformed) Judaism is not the best movement, nor is it genuine or kosher. Until you repent and come back to Orthodoxy, then we'll see you as a fellow Jewish convert.
One would listen to Rabbi Sacks for ever ! What a great loss !
This is truevwe have divisions among our selves. We need and want to stand together as one people even though we approach Judaism differently. Shalim be upon Israel always.
I have Sephardic heritage so I'll probably do my conversion in the Sephardic rite, however I'm open to go to any Conservative or Orthodox Shul/Synagogue where I feel at home if it feels best to me. I have a lot of Ashkenazi friends. It seems a lot of women who love their faith are in the Conservative movement because women are able to connect with HaShem in the way they feel most connected and don't have as stringent dress code rules to follow.
I'm Ashkenazi and I've always admired the mindset of the Sephardim and Mizrachim. While they have a rich history of intellectual exploration they haven't over-intellectualized Judaism as Ashkenazim have at the expense of spirituality. Also they seem less tainted by over a millenium in Europe. I think after the First Temple fell and the subsequent exile Judaism became overly legalistic and overly intellectual. I compare the tepid, rote observance of today with what I'd imagine it was like when we were there together at the foot of Har Sinai.
Admit it or not the division is there. The Orthodox are not very accepting of the Reform. Been there, experienced the rejection, isolation.
It's painful.
Yes it's too bad. Sorry you had to experience that.
reform is kafira
Yes, especially if you are a convert!
Convert properly! Any Reform convert is not Jewish, sorry!
What about Renewal and Humanistic Judaism?
In the UK Reform Judaism grew out of the Sephardi community - they were a breakaway from Bevis Marks Synagogue - that is why in many Reform shuls we so often do Hagbah before reading the Torah
We should never forget the essential fact: The Nazis done no distinction between orthodoxes, messianics, reformistes, conservatists, no religion Jews.
All Jews were considered as Jews, and therefore with Yellow Star and at the end to Concentration Chambers.
For gentiles, there is only one judaism for all.
They don´t know more. We should never forget the past, our past.
Then none of us shall ever Intermarry. It is the Second Holocaust.
And for a gentile during the years of the holocaust, even ownership of a Tanakh or Siddur would have been enough to send one to one's death.
messianiac is chrisstianity , stop tryinng
It seems to me that when Sfardim go off the way, they generally continue to believe: they just don't do. So devout and secularist Sfardim remain together because they share faith.
Ashkenazim, however, when they go off the way, they come up with idealogical justification for not believing at all. Therefore devout and secular Ashkenazim are intellectual rivals.
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Conservative and Reform are historically related to the Protestant Reformation. For example, German Reform modeled itself on Lutheranism. Sephardic countries are mostly Islamic, and Islam had no reformation to serve as a model for Sephardic Jews.
Interesting, I had never heard that before. The Protestant Reformation dates back to the 1500's, does the Jewish Reform movement date back that far? I thought it was more recent.
@@margaritakleinman5701 Don't pay attention to the pseudo-historical nonsense, and the fantasies of profoundly ignorant people who pretend to observe "the law" and make up absurdities. For the Orthodox, the scriptures are like a game of trivial pursuit, or a game of upmanship where each one tries to be more irrational than the next: on Shabbat you can't open an umbrella, it's work; can't defrost orange juice it's cooking. You should look up the Yashiva game called Blessings Bee, where children have to learn what kind of blessing goes with the different kind of foods; and in the case there are multiple ingredients in a dish, which blessing goes first. It's not funny actually. That's how they think the will of god will be fulfilled. Amen.
@@fagica Interesting and sad. Sounds kind of OCD to me, to be so obsessive about every little detail. I couldn't believe it when a friend told me not long ago that some Orthodox don't use toilet paper on the Sabbath because you have to tear it. I'm sorry, but that is simply taking the whole concept of the Sabbath way too far. I just can't believe that it is necessary to be so nitpicky, in order to please God. But that's just my humble opinion. I think God is more concerned about what kind of person you are and how you treat others, and not whether you observed a myriad of injunctions.
@@margaritakleinman5701 Here is how they solve the toilet paper problem: 1) the tear up a bunch of sheets the day before and use them on Sabbath;
2) the REAL pious ones, do the tearing all on xmas day, which, in certain traditions, is a day dominated by the devil. So they prepare the Sabbath sheets for the entire year.
Isn't this what true religious observance should be like?
I assume (or hope) you're being sarcastic. This extreme interpretation of Sabbath requirements is very hard to comprehend. Tearing a piece of toilet paper after using the toilet isn't "work", it's just a necessary act that needs to be done because of our body's functions. How can that be compared to actually doing real work? The idea of the Sabbath is to refrain from the usual daily work during the week, and to focus on God. I don't think that it means that every single human activity should be considered as "work" and avoided.
There is now an egalitarian Sephardi congregation called Kol haKahal
Rabbi Sacks says make us all of one band (I hope I got that right) and that the greater our openness, the more diversity we can have.
Is this not a contradiction? Do orthodox Jews want diversity or rather more homogeneity, where all Jews despite their own traditions observe the Torah in the one acceptable way?
By the way, I am a secular Jew, so I ask this as a point information.
Rabbi Sacks and Prince Charles studied Torah together.
When Israel, ultra Orthodox attacks its own and the battle within Judaism and Netayahu letting it happen, its disgusting. Driving people away instead of uniting is utterly stupid.
Totally agree 💯
FOLLOW THE TORAH . THATS GODS RULE .
Truth will always divide. Who are we?...Where we came from?...why are we here?...and where do we go after this life? In every church, synagogue or Mosque these fundamental questions will always divide . And rightfully so. But only one can and will lead to the truth.
Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
John 8:31-32 KJV
Interesting to hear Rabbi Sacks quoting Jesus of Nazareth, in his wise speech.
Where is the quote, I missed it? So does that mean he means inclusion to include Christians. And does inclusion also include LGBTQ+ Jews?
Progressive Judaism is on it's way out. Not only in the US where the progressive movement is being down-trodden and is paying a very painful price, the progressive movement in the whole of Europe is being pushed aside. One by one the European countries on the whole are being upgraded in favor of the extreme right and so will the US. The progressive reform mental mix-up had played the limited time that it had in it's favor and will very soon find itself in the gutter of civilization.
The Reform movement is strong. I being to a Reform synagogue in the USA. We have gotten bigger and have welcomed new members. We just gained a new cantor who is one of the big names in Reform Judaism in the USA. I am proud to be a Reform Jew! This fighting between Orthodox and Reform needs to stop! We need to be united as Jews instead of fighting.
@@PinkHawk191 Agreed!
I admire Rabbi Sacks tremendously but to me he just screams ego.... Look at his body language when Rabbi Dweck is speaking...
Firstly I think you'll find that Conservative/Masorti and Reform synagogue do also cater for Jews of Sephardi background. However, I think there are 2 reason why Reform Judaisms grew out of Ashkenazi Judaism. Firstly it was started in Cities in Germany during the enlightenment, not the villages of Eastern Europe, or the Middle East or North Africa. Around these "city" Jews in Germany were a reevaluation of religion and a growth of science. This did not happen in the villages of Eastern Europe, or in the Middle East where muslims were still very conservative and took literal meanings of their religion. It's worth noting also that the Christian reformation also came out of Germany. The second reason is that Ashkenazi Judaism is more in diaspora whilst most Sephardi and Mizarchi Jews are in Israel. In Israel there also is very little reform or conservative Judaism, whether it be Ashkenazi or Sephardi. Meanwhile in diaspora as assimilation gained pace they adapted the religion to welcome converts more, and bought it in line with other ideologies such as liberalism, to keep people in the Jewish loop. Such a thing was not necessary in Israel, where the Jewish state kept Jews in the Jewish loop. Sephardi communities never grew big enough in diaspora for the split, and if they did they just went for the existing Ashkenazi Reform Judaisms. Anyway, that's my faults - would love to know what you think.
Sorry to tell you but reform and conservatives in the eye of the true orthodox are nothing better diffrent from a church . You are not allowed to walk in to there churches let alone repay there. And I got news for you they cater to anyone who they can get . The issue with both these movements is that they changed the Torah and if you know history reform was started by a jew and Christian. They accept intermarriage, homosexuals and if you search some do bar mitzvah for dogs. There is nothing Jewish about these people. You can't even tell me there mother is Jewish because they been intermarried for 150 years there is no way of knowing. I find it interesting the birth place of reform and conservatives is the birthplace of the holocaust.
Is deuter.13:12;14:1,2 apply to 9:30 Judges ?
@@irokdastar You are mistaken. Reform Judaism didn't change the Torah, they simply believe it is up to individuals to decide what parts to believe in. Conservative Jews do not support intermarriage and to marry a conservative jew you must convert. Furthermore if they have a problem with homosexuality let them also have a problem with Ruth and Naomi and David and Johnathan who pledged to love each other before Hashem who sanctified their love as holy and good.
@@dreamywhales What the heck? David and Yonatan's love was a brotherly love and not homosexual neither the love between Ruth and Naomi was. What the heck!!!
@@irokdastar you are incorrect. Reform and Conservative Jews are as Jewish as Orthodox it’s just that they interpret the Torah differently. The Rabbis actually changed the Torah in a way in that there is no longer a sacrificial system as in Leviticus and the Talmud written by many Rabbis is not in the Original Torah. Leviticus commands us to Love our neighbors as ourselves and excluding homosexuals or detesting homosexuality is not loving and is changing the Torah so in essence Reform Judaism is more in line with the Torah than Orthodox Judaism in allowing and loving homosexuals in their congregations
Somewhere in European continent, Jewish people are beeing divided in two parts: "veritable Jews" Orthodoxes ones, and "less Jews" that would be the Messianic ones. The orthodoxes are bad Jews, the Messianics friendly Jews. That shows us how it matters, bringing all Jewish People together. The proposition could be the creation of a high Home for all kinds of Judaism.
We are Observant, not religious.
Sacks qooting Lincoln was quoting Jesus. Mark 3:25. Very amusing. Question: if you lament your exile for 2000 years and then get your homeland back and the majority of you refuse to go there, how seriously should your laments now be taken? Apparently the game has changed.
Rasha!!
There is no connection between the title and the video, you have both 2 orthodox rabies, one Askkenazi and the other Spharadi, no conservative and reform, so what do you want?
Will always divided till the Messiah came in the future.
If the Messiah is black or brow?
The messiah is simply an anointed king (moshiach hamelech). Not a God, not to be worshipped or idolised.
What about black Jews?
Chris Knowles I can answer that. In the UK it's impossible to become to become a Orthodox Jew. I was turned away more than thirty times among many Orthodox Synagogues. If a black person is rich or famous then the door is open. They make conversion a very difficult process. I know a man who has been trying to convert to orthodox for about nine years. If he makes it. It will be a miracle
1111 99900 This is the problem we screw each other more than anyone else does. I was going to the Sephardi Synagogue and after about a month I was asked if I could be part of the minyan? I was asked if my grandmother was Jewish. Then I was told to bring a picture of my grandmother tombstone to prove that I was Jewish.
Rabbi Dwerk was giving classes at the synagogue. We went to one time. Because the Rabbi asked me if I was a Convert.
So I answer anyone this way: 1. You are not allowed to ask someone or tell someone if a person is a Convert. As I said to the Rabbi where they are celebrating now. The dearest to HaShem are those who convert. So what's the issue
Solomon like his father King David was married to a black woman.
Remember Orpah, Ruth and Naomi? Do you remember Boaz? So rather than follow this test we develop one called race, class, social status, profession etc. Which has nothing to do with Orpah, Ruth and Naomi or Boaz.
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Ethiopian Jews have their own customs.
@@ntmn8444 They have their own customs but are just as Jewish as any other Jews.
Avraham Lincoln XD
Christianity is a mien on civilization
Sies!!!
I hate rabbis that support the changing of Torah
What was the thing about the Dinosaur? I didn’t get it.
Shape-shifting lizards?
He is disgrace to the jews .
Why? I am asking out of lack of knowledge and would want to know. Thanks.
Exactly!!!
These are not real jews yet they talk about losing land that never really belonged to them. They are kazars, converts to judaism. An entire kingdom converted to judaism.
Prove it.
If they converted, they are real jews
I am Ashkenazi, I did a DNA test and it showed my bloodline passed through Israel.
@@ndorphin2564 The Kazar thing is a myth, but a DNA test will only reveal your connection to other people in a database of people who have given their DNA - it won't tell you migration routes of your ancestors or connections with people who haven't given their DNA! Also, there was a bottleneck with AshK. genetics in the past - a lot of AshK. ancestry has not been passed on.
I assumed that the DNA databases take samples of ‘indigenous’ populations around the world, not just folk who’ve paid for a DNA test