Tumelo's attitude shows that he knows that the Judge got his back. This grandpa should be enjoying his grandchildren's made tea at home, not pulling strings in Court, they are wasting the State's resources.
Tumelo ❗Tumelo ❗ Tumelo ❗ How many times did l called you ❓ The truth will haunt you shem. Now we understand why the other docket was not entertained but hidden. (The docket has no merit my foot ❗❗❗) We are not stupid here
I can't believe that this is the state of our Judiciary, it's a shame even the judge is some kind of a joke, a witness answering questions the way he does with out being called to order amazes me, I wash my hands, I thought I was going to listen to an improved version of this court bt its getting worse, the witness arrogance leaves a lot to be desired.
You have take words out of my mouth a judge is a disgrace to his career he even laughs, when tumelo said he doesn't know what it will take to TT skull to understand what he says, he is a disgrace shame
Look at this way my bro Courts are being exposed you don't have to be scared when you're there and they don't have to boss you today people are in jail wrongfully because of bossy attitude from attorneys and judges But when you're a public figure it's a different story, It's all over the world not only in SA (i like it) some attorneys and judges you'll be surprised how ask questions
😭😭Im sorry to say this😭😭 According to 2021 report,South Africa has a population of 60 million plus people. Zenzo Meyiwa was shot dead on 26 October 2014,let's use the date 26 October 2022 atleast. That would give us a total of 8 years after his death. (1). My question is, If a Country with so much resources like South Africa can take 8 years on just one case of Zenzo Meyiwa before the perpetrators are convicted, yet it's a country of 60 million plus and a Country of high Criminal rate at the same time.(Rape, Shootings,Stabbings,Gangsterism,Drugs, Human Trafficking,Women and Child Abuse, Car Hijackings, etc etc.How then would we expect this same people to atleast minimise Crime rate and save the lives of its Citizens? (2). Does the Courts even think of how much damage, stress, depression and torture are they giving to the Zenzo Meyiwa family? Spending 8 years with the name of your departed loved one always on the News papers, Radio Stations, TV stations and all Social Media platforms instead of finding peace and heal from this devastating way they lost their son ? I'm from Zimbabwe though, but I think it's high time ANC Government must take the lives of its Citizens serious and come up with a working Judiciary system not the Current one which I think it's biased and surving from bribes. Kelly Khumalo and everyone who was present the very moment when Zenzo was killed knows the truth. So it needs harsh approach to Kelly and crew.😭😭😭 😭😢😭 REST IN PEACE MY DEAR BROTHER ZENZO😭😭😭
The judge is clearly cohercing the witness!!! 😳 I remember clearly that the witness did testify it was during the match. Then said it was dark he could not see the suspects faces clearly. When he realised that the match was on during the day, now they want to change the testimony! The state should be ashamed of themselves! We as the public are not idiots.
@@nolimitsmzansi That transcript is Gypo'd! He said it on his first day in court & on the Netflix documentary! If you can't see that this is a cover up & high ranking SAPS members are being protected then I can't help you. Tumelo keeps slipping up & changing his story. Won't be surprised when he ends up missing or dead because the people paying him off can't be happy.
Senzo was a friend with benefits to Tumelo. I can't believe that a true friend can do this to his friend. It's unbelievable ukuthi kukhona abantu abanje ezweni isifundo lesi kubantu abakhonze kakhulu abangani.
How can a person who was there doesn't remember anything from that day I wish they get new prosecutor from overseas to put this case to rest they are wasting tax payers money also
They are telling you but they are not telling you what you want to hear, the public already concluded what happened that night the public that was not present, hence they have been talking and telling but you do not hear them
JUDGE NEEDS TO GET OUT OF THIS CASE HES FAVOURING ALL THE CROOKS N THE STATE PEOPLE AROUND THE WORLD ARENT STUPID IF THAT'S WHAT HE THINKS IN ESSENCE HE IS A BEEEEEEG JOKE TERRIBLY BIASED YOOOH😢😢😢😢😢😢😢
You know why The judge and prosecutor they protect all the peoples who were in the house ! They also protect Kelly khumalo here ! Its money talks in south Africa! Tumelo is not gonna be arrested forget ! The five innocent men's they will rot in jail!!! This sick court is wasting out time here !!
Lo guy uyalwa ngempela akaboni ukuthi ufaka wonke umuntu owayendlini enkingeni. Amangawonke awakhulumayo. I don't thing he is going to answer Zandile Mshololo like he answer Thobane.
M just waiting for Adv. Mshololo to cross examine this rude guy. He's not answering questions, instead he answer a question by asking TT another question.
@@LM-rg9lj I am not rude just asking whether they don't teach them to be firm with such cases whereby the witness is rude to answer direct questions from the advocate na thats what I am asking
""After a while, while they were watching, the so-called intruders came in " After some time, while they were still watching the game, those people came in. We better ask a proper English man/woman to assist us here.
The match they were watching between chealsea and man United started at 18:00 and the score ended 1-1 that mean that incident might have happened between 18:00 to 20:00 pm
The 'after the while' exchange/discussion clearly shows why it is important for courts to start conducting trials in local languages of the parties involved as far as possible, especially in cases where the presiding officer and the litigants and their representatives are all natives. I don't need to struggle to understand how to express my point in another language when I can use my language and remove all doubt easily. Misinterpretation of what I mean can contribute to miscarriage of justice.
"After a while" - "Morago ga sebaka". This judge has been to school. Why would he be confused about this? Mxm! He led Tumelo to his answer ...yerr. After a while...was it "long while" or "short while". I could have asked "had it been long since they started watching or shortly thereafter, that the intruders came in?" What is the name of this lawyer? I like him.
It was clear that the witness was saying they were watching a match then after a while intruders came in, that simply means they came in while watching the match.simple
This Judge is disrespectful of Advoc T.
Tumelo's attitude shows that he knows that the Judge got his back. This grandpa should be enjoying his grandchildren's made tea at home, not pulling strings in Court, they are wasting the State's resources.
Tumelo ❗Tumelo ❗ Tumelo ❗ How many times did l called you ❓ The truth will haunt you shem. Now we understand why the other docket was not entertained but hidden. (The docket has no merit my foot ❗❗❗) We are not stupid here
WELL SAID NTABI THAT'S WHAT THEY ALL THINK 😂😂😂
I can't believe that this is the state of our Judiciary, it's a shame even the judge is some kind of a joke, a witness answering questions the way he does with out being called to order amazes me, I wash my hands, I thought I was going to listen to an improved version of this court bt its getting worse, the witness arrogance leaves a lot to be desired.
You have take words out of my mouth a judge is a disgrace to his career he even laughs, when tumelo said he doesn't know what it will take to TT skull to understand what he says, he is a disgrace shame
I’m 7 minutes in and that’s exactly my sentiments. I was like is this really our Judiciary? These people all seem puzzled and disorganised
Look at this way my bro Courts are being exposed you don't have to be scared when you're there and they don't have to boss you today people are in jail wrongfully because of bossy attitude from attorneys and judges
But when you're a public figure it's a different story, It's all over the world not only in SA (i like it) some attorneys and judges you'll be surprised how ask questions
Yes!!! Yhoo this judge is a joke. A Time waster
It seems Kelly has bought the state they seem to be protecting her!!
Mdlala is not a honest friend of Senzo. His a prepared witness who protecting the perpetrator.Madlala can play but the truth will privel.
😭😭Im sorry to say this😭😭
According to 2021 report,South Africa has a population of 60 million plus people. Zenzo Meyiwa was shot dead on 26 October 2014,let's use the date 26 October 2022 atleast. That would give us a total of 8 years after his death.
(1). My question is, If a Country with so much resources like South Africa can take 8 years on just one case of Zenzo Meyiwa before the perpetrators are convicted, yet it's a country of 60 million plus and a Country of high Criminal rate at the same time.(Rape, Shootings,Stabbings,Gangsterism,Drugs, Human Trafficking,Women and Child Abuse, Car Hijackings, etc etc.How then would we expect this same people to atleast minimise Crime rate and save the lives of its Citizens?
(2). Does the Courts even think of how much damage, stress, depression and torture are they giving to the Zenzo Meyiwa family? Spending 8 years with the name of your departed loved one always on the News papers, Radio Stations, TV stations and all Social Media platforms instead of finding peace and heal from this devastating way they lost their son ?
I'm from Zimbabwe though, but I think it's high time ANC Government must take the lives of its Citizens serious and come up with a working Judiciary system not the Current one which I think it's biased and surving from bribes. Kelly Khumalo and everyone who was present the very moment when Zenzo was killed knows the truth. So it needs harsh approach to Kelly and crew.😭😭😭
😭😢😭 REST IN PEACE MY DEAR BROTHER ZENZO😭😭😭
This is an excellent example of a witness lying as he sees fit.
My thinking as well
So true and its so clear
😂😂😂😂😂
And he still lied the second time around
I wish they can call in Judge Judy..
For real I agree with u case would of been closed same day lol
Banganyaaaa kuloyo akabhenywa akusiyo inyawupa phela
I also wish that too. She could have resolved this matter the same year✊🏿
This is a joke honestly.. 🙌🤭...
@@josephinamokoena6865 🤭🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣I'm finished
The judge is clearly cohercing the witness!!! 😳 I remember clearly that the witness did testify it was during the match. Then said it was dark he could not see the suspects faces clearly. When he realised that the match was on during the day, now they want to change the testimony! The state should be ashamed of themselves! We as the public are not idiots.
Where is proof of tht..? Where is poroof that he said they entered during the game?
@@nolimitsmzansi That transcript is Gypo'd! He said it on his first day in court & on the Netflix documentary!
If you can't see that this is a cover up & high ranking SAPS members are being protected then I can't help you.
Tumelo keeps slipping up & changing his story. Won't be surprised when he ends up missing or dead because the people paying him off can't be happy.
True bro true
The truth never have more than one version... When someone start to explain truth... something isn't right
@@nolimitsmzansi Don't be lazy, go through the cross examination and find it yourself Garfield.
This witness cannot answer a straight question 😒 Advocate is having to clarify each and every step of the way 🙄 Going to be a loooong day
Senzo was a friend with benefits to Tumelo. I can't believe that a true friend can do this to his friend. It's unbelievable ukuthi kukhona abantu abanje ezweni isifundo lesi kubantu abakhonze kakhulu abangani.
This judge is old he must take maintenance cases serious
😂No child would get money
He is not srs at all 15 yrs with one case
Why can't we see this guys face? 🤷🏾♀️ Why
Is his life in danger?
Yes he claims but still he shows on the netflix documentary
His the danger to himself cause his the biggest fool of the case
How can a person who was there doesn't remember anything from that day I wish they get new prosecutor from overseas to put this case to rest they are wasting tax payers money also
Done
This old man no no no . Know his starting his ways
So true hey...
I thought this time was going to be different but still nothing can't they arrest Tumelo for perjury na
We need new prosecutor for sur
Kelly I love you, but please volunteer like an innocent to tell the world what happened that night.
They are telling you but they are not telling you what you want to hear, the public already concluded what happened that night the public that was not present, hence they have been talking and telling but you do not hear them
@@evidencesithole768 truth
The witness is at a picnic here , he says whatever he wants to say and nobody is saying anything not the state or the judge.
Perhaps they are letting him dig his own hole Story changes minute to minute
Hes so arrogant and uttering whatever he wants
This is why In South Africa thousands of prisoners are arrested even though they are not guilty.
Yeah…bcos of manyala a corruption.
Until they change the judge, I don't think we'll get anywhere
What is your opinion now family? 😂😂😂 I see no light at the end of the tunnel
Baloi no no no now you're defending Tumelo ,
The judge is the pain in our throats
The lawyer is not one of the best
So far he's doing his best,,but that old man is interfering,telling him always what to say,,and not to say
But anyway,,let's hope for the best.u can't cover truth wit lies
Exactly
The boy attitude it tells alot
True🤞I'm watching, he will crack soon
I'm not happy with the judge.
He is so biased
This Judge got something he begins now the thing he was doing to Teffo he must go to Rest he's old and full of nonsense
Why does he opt to check records ?Baloyi !! He is helping Tumelo
This guy have no respect . I'm waiting for Mshololo.
Judge is biased🤔
JUDGE NEEDS TO GET OUT OF THIS CASE
HES FAVOURING ALL THE CROOKS N THE STATE
PEOPLE AROUND THE WORLD ARENT STUPID IF THAT'S WHAT HE THINKS
IN ESSENCE HE IS A BEEEEEEG JOKE
TERRIBLY BIASED YOOOH😢😢😢😢😢😢😢
our judge is totally a popey 🤞🤞
Tumelo is such a rude liar
This court is a joke even the judge and prosecutor Tumelo is playing games and being rude I wish him to be charged with perjury for lying
My word this is a joke, iam supriced the judge is allowing Tumelo to be rude in court he makes me sick
You know why The judge and prosecutor they protect all the peoples who were in the house ! They also protect Kelly khumalo here ! Its money talks in south Africa! Tumelo is not gonna be arrested forget ! The five innocent men's they will rot in jail!!! This sick court is wasting out time here !!
I dont know why the judge has an attide towards any lawyer defending the 4 accused
@@dikolizaskk5847 they must complain about him this is crazy
This why Teffo went crazy in there
Lo guy uyalwa ngempela akaboni ukuthi ufaka wonke umuntu owayendlini enkingeni. Amangawonke awakhulumayo. I don't thing he is going to answer Zandile Mshololo like he answer Thobane.
Ai uzoyeka lokudelela anakho lo
She will put him in his place fast🤣🤣
When was Senso taken to hospital according to records ?And when did the match between Chelsea and Man U on the material day end ?
Can they change thobanj he can't cross examine the witness we need someone who will put tumelo in fear n spill the whole beans to the nation
I disagree with you Sir the judge is the problem
@@mhloniphimelane336 true ..
This judge is weak
This case will take another 50 years.. if this judges are focused on things like '' After a while''
Point of U-turn of Ayanda Msweli can do great on this case 🤞🇿🇦
the judge is so much one sided. it is so sad. THOBANE MUST SHOW, the transcript, but adv Baloi, we all had to wait.
The judge is helping the witness ☹️
Tumelo thinks he's smart acting like he's a lawyer here🤣🤣🤣🤣
Exactly he sold his friend.
Exactly ..and he's so arrogant ..
Very arrogant
WHY IS THIS CASE TAKING SO LONG TO GET A VERDICT?
22/11/14
Imagine
Akalhlaza nje Lo Madlala uphendula ikaka nje
M just waiting for Adv. Mshololo to cross examine this rude guy. He's not answering questions, instead he answer a question by asking TT another question.
A witness must always proffessional when giving evidence at court
Boloi Nooo noo. You are protecting Tumelo.
Aibo Judge😒😒
judge want to frustrate TT,
But Thobani he knows what he doing
this judge reminds me the Oscar Prestorious case, he is showing the side he is going with
This guy is mad I Remember what on my first DAY AT School 22 years ago
Why State is trying to protected the witnesses something is wrong with this Case..
Baloyi do not help Tumelo knows the truth
Mr Judge, after a while can be 5,10,17,20 minutes.. That doesn't mean after a while states after the game is finish.
incompetence .....
And pls remove that old man there he is wasting our time to decied,,this case is taking too long man
"After a while... " This English is going to send people to jail ... lol
Why is the judge so rude which university did he attend na and the oath that was read to him or it doesn't count for him wow
what does his university have to do with his character, really now...Uni don't teach politeness or rudeness, really now Mpho!
@@LM-rg9lj I am not rude just asking whether they don't teach them to be firm with such cases whereby the witness is rude to answer direct questions from the advocate na thats what I am asking
Hey is true this old man his going back know in that way he talked to Tefo.
We are watching a continuation of the suppression of the defence by the judge,he got rid of Tefo, now he is working on Tabane and its not funny.
I'm worried about the judge
Haaaa leli judge ngeke
The state is very baised the witness is very rude in the court of law the question is very simple
Tumelo uyazi ukuthi kwenzakalani kuSenzo.uluhlaza, unamanga,unomona. Inkinga Ukuthi usateketiswa kodwa iqiniso alihlali namanga. Msholo uyawenza umsebenzi wakhe I'm proud of her she's very smart 😊😊
Whats the process of selecting the judges for such cases, ngoba clearly ngathi khona into eOff.
Hostile witness maybe? He's very careful and evasive when answering questions. He even questions the defense counsel. Raises an eyebrow really.
Was about to say and the Court allows him yoooh the Judge is the one making this witness to be disrespectful towards them as he is biased
He done did the same thing, second time around.
""After a while, while they were watching, the so-called intruders came in " After some time, while they were still watching the game, those people came in. We better ask a proper English man/woman to assist us here.
How is he supposed to defend these guys if he can't express himself in the language used Inc court
Why doesn't the defense attorney prepare?
Thobane cannot cross examine!
Haibo Nampa bemosha isikhathi bo.
After a while, tjoo 🥺😳
Tumelo you dude come tomorrow Mshololo will give you a cold bath
SEE THE JUDGE ASSIST ADV.BALOI BUT CROSS QUESTION TT
What transpired on the day in question, elaborate then tell us what you meant by “after a while”
The judge is sharp minded,thumbs up
Looooool😂😂😂😂😂😂 for real now?
U mean sharp in protection of the murderers in the house 😅😅😅😅😅😅
This judge got paid.
This is a waist of our tax money they is no such liar after lie
Umngani onjani ongasebenzisani ukuthi kuphume iqiniso
Ducking and diving for questions
When days are dark friends are few
Exactly
What about enteprinting guys
Oko kumelwe yena njalo
Beka Thobani
Haebo tata judge what is going on
i’m busy eating, after a while an intruder came in😂 eish I ddnt know after a while could be so complex
When this case is getting an end? Am sure senzo is not sleeping wel cus of this up and down yase court
It will take time my friend
how the fark did this Thobane guy pass law school and the bar let alone the exams
i fefuse to beleive this guy has a win under his belt
Kabelo watch this space bra!
@@LM-rg9lj True, he's coming on right. Let's leave English and check facts
I see nothing wrong with thobane
@kabelo you should check YOUR ENGLISH before commenting on Thobane 😂😂😂😂😂
@@karabotlhako4523 its a spelling error not a grammatical one
I believe Tumelo truth will come out one day be strong my brother
That will be the day!!! I hope he is haunted until he has a nervous breakdown!
This lawyer leyena haai! His cross examination skills nje haai! He is not grilling this witness, plus nkare he is not prepared
The judge is old stand down.His judgment is off
After a while mean within the time of watching what's wrong to this judge
This witness...oh Lord...is he trying to help at all
The witness claimed in netflix show that Senzo was his best friend now why is he lying about everything he was never a true friend to Senzo.
Yes is true Tumelo we put our trust on him to tell us the truth. If Senzo was his best friend.
This case will take more 10 years if judges they gonna act like that
Isifundo njelesi, ungabomfaka umuntu endlini! Uyokubulala umuntu, umngani akafakwa nje endlini , yazi Mina anginamngani ngibalekela izinto ezinje! Kumuncu into eyenziwa utumelo kusenzo umnganiwakhe pho!!! Wema wagcola tumelo wenza imali ngegazi lenye ingane kade ikukhonzile ! Hawu!! Yini le eyenza utumelo azonde usenzo ngalendlela! Ayi
I always said the same thing.......no friend in this world, especially if you got money, don't trust anyone.
Khululeka zomphelela umhlaba naye Tumelo KZN le uyobhosha endlini
The match they were watching between chealsea and man United started at 18:00 and the score ended 1-1 that mean that incident might have happened between 18:00 to 20:00 pm
“after a while, while they were watching” weeee 😂
Judge his protecting a witness why?
Uthengiwe that's why
What is after a while?
This old man is a bully, he was also bullying Adv Tefo.
The 'after the while' exchange/discussion clearly shows why it is important for courts to start conducting trials in local languages of the parties involved as far as possible, especially in cases where the presiding officer and the litigants and their representatives are all natives. I don't need to struggle to understand how to express my point in another language when I can use my language and remove all doubt easily. Misinterpretation of what I mean can contribute to miscarriage of justice.
Let me do this case guys coz you're struggling moc. I'll do this case in a week time and I will find out who killed Senzo Mayiwa.
Simple as that
Nooo but I understand the judge here ...
Tumelo always think " I think it's Durban Station" njani ungowapha uthinke mxm
Weeee I Jaji.
Where is Psl or olando pirates, in solidarity with the deceased isn't it a lobby group should be seen outside fighting for justice?
"After a while" - "Morago ga sebaka". This judge has been to school. Why would he be confused about this? Mxm! He led Tumelo to his answer ...yerr.
After a while...was it "long while" or "short while". I could have asked "had it been long since they started watching or shortly thereafter, that the intruders came in?"
What is the name of this lawyer? I like him.
No no Tumelo hayibo mosu kuba rude you are worse
Lock up Khumalo family for a very long time please including tumelo
It was clear that the witness was saying they were watching a match then after a while intruders came in, that simply means they came in while watching the match.simple
i doubt thy will ever be a verdict on this case .......we are exhausted now ai