Men lie about their height! Edit: I thought the joke about age was light hearted but I guess the tone probably wasn’t perfect. Nonetheless my bad, gonna move on and keep making vids.
The lack of any FAA record is the nail in the coffin that there never was a plane crash. Something happened that she wanted to keep quiet and she's been telling this lie for more than 20 years now.
@@hicknopunk No way in hell that this woman has touched something harder then alcohol. Seems like she'd be "too good" It screams alcohol abuse to me, my guy
@@EXbobomb Most aircraft seatbelts require a minimum 3000-pound "break strength." And they utilize high-strength polyester woven in such a fashion that they're able to"stretch" when heavy force is applied to them. In laymen's terms, it is borderline impossible to "break through" a seatbelt. As graphic as it sounds, a seatbelt will bisect your body before it reaches its "breaking point."
So like if her seat belt really broke she could literally justifiably sue the company into oblivion, like who would let that slide? and if it did happen it would be well documented, its the fucking National Transportation Safety Board if something falls out of the fucking sky they know everything about it.
@@Holesale00 Yeah. It most definitely didn't happen. I'm not sure if she just told that bogus story for sympathy at some point, and then figured she had to run with it, or what... but it's 100% fiction. Not to mention, if a celebrity is involved in a plane crash, it immediately gets plastered all over headlines of every news source imaginable. Just look at any other celebrity-involved plane crash that has ever taken place throughout history. Yet, not a single person can find a single shred of evidence that Paula was ever involved in one. Apparently, it was those pills that f%cked her head up... not the roof of any airplane.
As someone who did gymnastics, cheer, dance and a lot, it's EASILY believable that her body started to break down and she got Oxy or morphine to deal with the pain or after a surgery and was one of the many unlucky who became addicted. She has told the story so many times at this point, she may believe it. Side effect of long term lying.
Also could be the result of a drug induced coma that made her dream that scenario so that when she actually woke up, her brain was still trying to get out of the dream like state, and so it made her think she actually was in a plane crash. Either that or the result of false memories forming after a traumatic experience as a a way for your body and mind to cope without having to think about what actually happened. (i.e. her going into a drug induced coma and woke up with false memories that she fabricated over time to make it sound more reasonable for her scenario)
I used to be addicted to pain killers and I can very well imagine that a professional dancer can easily fall into that same trap. High doses of pain killers will make you numb to all pain, including the pain that tells you, when you are overworking your muscles. Being on severe pain killers while doing sport makes you feel like a super hero. The combination of both is especially addictive, since you can workout far harder and longer, which leads to higher output of serotonine and adrenalin which you can become addicted to in addition to the pain killer itself.
I can definitely agree with this as a former athlete including contact sports and gymnastics... I also have hyper mobility and my life changed so much between 25-30 as far as chronic pain. It's crazy, your joints start quickly turning against you.
@@elijaha773 They're both equally creepy. In a good way. His content is always great no matter the channel. People like hearing about creepy mysteries.
That Paula drugged up interview was really hard to watch. Interesting that she mentioned how when she came to after hitting her head "Everyone on the plane was holding hands." Sounds kinda like the start of an intervention to me, especially if everyone saw her almost die. Very interesting, certainly explains why she would only sorta kinda drop off the map during the height of her career. If this is true, gotta give her manager and shit credit. They really thought of her health before her career
I initially had a bit of a problem with everyone suggesting that she'd lie about a plane crash just because she might've almost died, making up wildly-contradictory stories just to cover for it, but once you put that into perspective the way you just did, I'm kind of wondering if not only did she almost die, but if it was intentional, it might explain quite a bit. This is all wildly conspiratorial, and a little creepy from a bunch of people on the internet who don't know her, but since we're all throwing shit against the wall anyway...
@Fvcked I would say I understand that if she wasn't literally in the middle of a tour. I suppose it's possible she had smaller venues or they hadn't been very full, that would be pretty hard to remember/prove. But hey, I have no interest in fame so I have no idea how it works mentally. Maybe some people just always want more and more and even a little less is unacceptable
She might just be super nervous, nvm I finished the video and saw the news clip I thought you were talking about another clip and I didn’t think she looked like she was high but after seeing that last clip she’s definitely high on something
Its possible she really does suffer from some sort of chronic pain issues and she may be on pain medication, which can make people much slower to think, doze off, slur, etc. It could be alcohol but she doesn't seem to be drunk, more like high on some sort of depressant (downer). Its very common for people on opiods to come in and out of lucidity. It also could be shes trying to make excuses to justify a pre existing drug problem or usage.
She was also dealing with bulimia and anorexia at the point in time which the plane crash allegedly happened. At some point in the middle of the 90s she checked into Laureate psychiatric Health Center in Tulsa
@@rachael5300 quite easily. Vomiting often leads to dehydration and someone who is bulimic and purging isn't going to be keeping many fluids down. Stomach flu would work as a pretty decent cover up
A common issue with pop stars, especially in the 80s and 90s, was that the singers were overworked and because of the intense dance routines they performed, they were injured quite often. There are many stories of artists going to see a doctor and the doctors get paid off to give the artist painkillers and say that they’re ok to perform. The music industry is a big business and they don’t want to lose revenue by cancelling shows. Someone like Paula, who was known for her intensive dance routines was probably injured by being overworked and then given pain killers to make sure she kept performing. The airplane story is from 92 when she would have been around 30. Think of pro athletes, many of them start to have their injuries compound and start to slow down in their 30s.
I am a flight instructor, there’s a lot of issues with her story, the technical stuff is off and sounds exactly like what people who don’t know about airplanes would say a plane crash would be like(for example, a single engine failing is not a death sentence, jets can fly level and even climb with an engine failed and if a wing catches fire you won’t be seeing it for too long because that means the fuel tank has caught fire because a spark+ a bunch of gas in an enclosed tank=boom, the only time a wing catches fire and stays that way is if you strike something on the ground and it chops off that part of the wing). The fact there is no NTSB report, which would be required according to NTSB part 830 if she was hospitalized for the accident(and that’s just one of many requirements), is the nail in the coffin on that.
i'm no expert but two things told me it's a lie: 1. 'the cabin was on fire' - you'd die in a small plane, a fire like that would consume all the oxygen and you've have severe burns 2. the pilot was unconscious and bloody - how did the plane land in that case? I have a phobia of heights but needed to fly so i did everything to learn about planes, and while the engineering is sound, it requires the hand of a pilot to land, auto pilot can fly it but not land it, and deff not in those circumstances (and on a small jet? hmmmm, i think unlikely)
I appreciate your input. As a medical professional, I also find a lot of her story, not possible. The patch that she was describing for pain would have been a fentanyl patch. She’s going on about how it’s 100x more potent than morphine. But that is irrelevant. It is more potent, and therefore dangerous on the street; but medical professionals simply measure morphine in milligrams and fentanyl in micrograms so it comes out the same. It’s like knowing that a shot of whiskey can have the same amount of alcohol is a pint of beer. It’s easier to take too much, but if you know what you’re doing, it’s pretty damn simple. Also, a fentanyl patch is a time release pain patch that is not remotely as mind altering as oral or IV fentanyl. Many senior citizens with back problems walk around, just fine with a fentanyl patch . Also, the recovery time after any kind of knee, surgery or back surgery would not allow her to do a workout video. I believe she’s had dancers injuries and may have had surgery, but not at the times she stated
Almost seems like the plane crash was a metaphor for her life, flying high then took a downward spiral into addiction like you mentioned. Really interesting, easy to write her off as crazy or delusional, but you wouldn’t know unless you walked in her shoes.
I think that night was an overdose. She overdosed that night, it's why she cant remember anything. She died. When ya gone ya gone. Oh she also said when she came to from the plane crash, everyone was holding hands surrounding her
gotta say, i didnt see the final theory coming but its the only thing that makes any sense.. plane crash metaphor ends up becoming the publicized narrative.. Hell, props to her for surviving.. Addiction doesnt care about your public image.. It hijacks the controls and flies high.. lifts you up until you break, tour dates be damned..
Why bother perpetuating such an obvious lie, though? It certainly isn't doing anything to help her career. Just makes her seem like she's full of shit. And combined with her blatantly obvious pill addiction, it's not exactly a good look.
Yeah, she was downright tossed in that clip. And Sociable is right... why the hell did they even let her go on the air in that state? That was career-jeopardizingly embarrassing.
I was a teen in the early 90s and I don't recall EVER hearing about her being in a plane crash. I thought her hiatus was because she was battling an eating disorder. I think she had come clean a few years ago somewhere about being bulimic and such at one point after Forever Your Girl took off and all eyes were on her. There was also some stuff going around about why her video for Promise of a New Day had special effects that her body stretched, like it was to make her look thinner or something like that. In Living Color made light of that in a parody vid they did for the song. So many lies have been told.
Yeah I remember the eating disorder thing and I also remember an interview Kurt Loder did with Madonna where Abdul's name came up and they were both kind of obliquely busting on her about the weight she'd put on.
I always thought she was MIA for having an eating disorder too. No clue where I would have heard that other than maybe the pro-ana communities I was following at the time on LiveJournal
Your voiceover is on point this video. You've got the EQ dialed in and your inflection was perfect. I like you moving away from the monotone, booming bass, to something more natural and human.
Appreciate the fact that you relate to her struggle and maintained her dignity. It's a difficult battle to abstain. You have my respect for taking the higher path.
I remember all those American Idol incidents where she was acting off. My family & people tended to figure she was drunk, but that painkiller addiction must have been what was going on for sure. Painkillers are insanely hard to get off of when you get addicted to them, especially after that long of being dependent on them. I don't doubt she had a lot of real injuries that led to the addiction though, of course. The kind of dancing she was famous for is as grueling as a lot of contact sports can be, especially--like she said--you're always at it, always having to 1-up your last performance, rarely given enough time to recover from injuries, & eating disorders are also common among dancers.
But I agree about the “near death experience” she said when she woke up everyone was holding hands. Sounds like she had an overdose experience, possibly slipped into a short coma and had people surrounding her that were worried and possibly praying for her at the time. She could have also developed some partial paralysis from that sort of “brain injury” as well. I think it absolutely is a n analogy like a “Train-wreck” so to speak except her rock bottom involves a plane.
Idk I've had times where I had a near-death six hour overdose on heroin, left the hospital and went to work directly after. Managing hundreds of thousands of dollars without making a mistake. And that overdose lasted so long because nobody found me until six hours after I fell out. Call me crazy but I just dont think a drug OD explains all of this.
Oh my god it is Spider you’d know better than me, you’ve obviously experienced it. Maybe it’s a combination of drugs/OD and mental health the compounded it into what it is. Guess we’ll never know. I’m sorry to hear about your experience, I hope you’re doing well now.
@@agoodballet I mean I suppose it's possible she overdosed and went directly to rehab- the way that works is you spend a few days in some inpatient facility (often the psychiatric ward of a hospital) monitored by doctors as you are put on some medicine (in the case of opiates, something like methadone or suboxone) or go through detox (and I think the 90s are too recent for something so barbaric as like cold turkey detox) and after you're stable you move on to some outpatient therapy-- but even in the 90s a "rising star" musician isn't going to stop touring and effectively stop being a serious musician for that. Yeah, obviously I'm a little experienced in that world. Enough to know that one little overdose (or even a really big one) and one trip to rehab almost never is the end of a substance abuse disorder. For the record, mental illness is ALWAYS comorbid with substance abuse. Obviously her medical history isn't public knowledge or public record. The plane crash certainly didn't happen, but the common reality of a drug problem, in the 90s, with a madonna wannabe, wouldn't be covered up with a fake plane crash. And I'm somewhat okay now, thanks for showing concern. I'm in recovery and somehow still alive after a decade in that world.
The most telling hint that the plane crash story is something more is that when she retells the story, it's almost always word for word (listen to the two clips - literally exactly the same wording). Usually when retelling true stories multiple times, you skip around or fumble over details of the incident. In her case, it's as if she was given a script to memorize and retell. Very strange.
When you say a lie for a long time it becomes the truth. So it's easy for to be word for word. If that's your argument than thank goodness you ain't a lawyer
Wouldn't it be the other way around? The specific retelling of the story almost the same every time lends more credence to its authenticity, as opposed to her changing the lie every time because it didn't actually happen.
@@AH-nc6vv Actually, no. When you lie, your perspective is limited, you're being careful with what you say, so you just try to stick the story that has validity and that people accepted. When you tell the truth, you don't think about the form of your story. Sometimes you mention additional little details, like how you felt or what you noticed, sometimes you don't, especially when retelling the same story multiple times. In situations like a plain crash, for instance, you might have a lot of sensory experiences at any given moment which makes it quite difficult to describe absolutely everything that happened, so it's only natural that sometimes you don't include some things, but later you suddenly remember about them and start wondering if they are relevant to what your are telling. Sometimes people who lie do change their story a lot, but it's usually just because they are being careless. However, there is a difference between changing integral parts of the story and mentioning something that you failed to include previously, like hearing some noise at a particular time or something like this.
Protip: If you're gonna lie about your age, go older. People will always think you look amazing for your age that way. And yeah, it was/is absolutely a painkiller dependency. I feel her. I'm her age and I fought with them for twelve years, ultimately switching to heroin. Six months into recovery I found out I have terminal cancer. Watch yourselves out there.
Very classy handling of this story. I appreciate you remaining objective and not denigrating her. This is clearly a woman struggling. She's coming up with an alternate history for herself. While I do have to question the validity of self-deception as a healthy approach to maintaining sobriety, there's clearly a lot more that we don't know about Abdul's life. I'm sort of surprised that this hasn't become more of a problem for her publicity-wise, the way tabloids are and all. But above all I just hope to see her well.
I think what he was getting at regarding the plane crash story was exactly what he said- that it was an allegory she told herself, not "self deception." My guess is that she overdosed and was revived at the hospital using naloxone, which has been in use to reverse opioid overdose since the 70's. The plane crash story does the job of conveying a terrifying near death experience to the public without specifying that the event was something the US has nothing but disgust and disdain toward. You can understand why someone would be less than honest about that sort of thing, especially someone as famous as Paula.
The pain patch that was mentioned was probably a Fentanyl patch. Those things are crazy powerful and many people have died because they took too much of their own prescription. I believe that the Fent patch is used for people who have become so tolerant to pain meds that they cannot feel the effects from simple hydrocodone or even morphine. Fent is brought in as the "big guns" for pain relief.
I agree. I could be wrong, but hasn't Simon Cowell got a habit of hiring vavulnerable judges in similar situations? Or maybe that could be due the fact, that only desperate ex singers are willing to go on his shows.
Hey Barely, it takes a big heart and a huge amount of compassion to see and acknowledge someone struggling (And also manageing in their own way) with mental health and not make fun of them. But it takes literal balls of steel to admit your own struggles to Hundreds of thousands of people. Thank you for that, this video made the world a better place and every tiny step towards acknowledging the human condition is a leap into a future with less people suffering. Try to stay clean and healthy, the world is a better place with your videos than without.
Man I wonder what those interviewers were thinking when they realized that they were talking to an obviously high guest. Big ups to them for keeping it professional and not showing signs of discomfort.
They should have thanked her for her time, ended the interview, told her to get rest and help and not air the interview.. imagine exploiting an addict and calling it professional
I feel you! Addiction is the worst thing to happen to many. All I have to say is, she is still in the cycle, number one and two and three is admit the problem!!! Im sure it will come out in some book she writes in 2040 in autobiographical format!
They need to reschedule certain drugs. Having marajuana ranked alongside heroin is not just a joke....its DANGEROUS... kids who dont know better think, well, if they lied about weed being terrible, then heroins prolly okay too. The two drugs arent even in the same BALLPARK. Its like comparing oatmeal to battery acid....
Honestly, I wish our society would just be more open about drug abuse and mental health instead of trying to 'sweep it under the rug,' so to speak. Whatever the specifics of the situation, she deserves to be helped and not judged for these issues. I wasn't ever a fan of her work specifically but even still, I hope that she doesn't become another case of being "too late" with addiction and/or other issues going untreated for too long..
Elliott I would suggest you do some research into the benefits of psychedelics and the war on drugs there are some popular videos out there that I think you’ll find very interesting.
It’s the stupid war on drugs and propaganda from hundreds of years of money greedy jerks. Like what happened to marijuana when it became illegal cause of hemp products and the industry giants probably didn’t like it. And also opium cause of racism and then lately the prison industrial complex.
@@AleTitan I agree, my comment was about the idea that anybody who uses drug is looked down upon as a criminal when most are normal people and a few are in need of help not punishment
The only thing I’d say you overlooked is that her fluctuating number of surgeries could’ve very easily just been an effect of time, since injuries like that many times require continuous treatment through the years.
there is something behind that story. when she was interviewed about it it sounds so real. her voice cracking and the way she talks about it. its like shes super nervous talking about it. but its such a crazy story and crazy to lie about, its strange. one things for sure though, she has been under the influence of some heavy stuff many times. i remember it was a running joke that she drank on american idol and that her coke glass had something else in it
The vibe i get from her is someone who initially had problems with ongoing pain management and may still have that problem but it's now dealing with an opiate addiction
I found you ages back on your main channel, when you were at 3k subs. You came out swinging so hard, you came out swinging like a million sub channel. I'm so proud to see you doing so well now, and I love your content still. You get to the point, you tell what's important, and keep on track. Good work, man.
Awwwww Barely Sociable! I didn’t kno you’ve struggled with something like that. I almost started to tear up a bit cuz I’ve had my own struggles as well. So I just wanted to say I’m glad you’re here and making videos. I’ve watched every single one at least three times each. I love your content. Keep it up man. One day at a time :)
The thing that got me was the fact that you mentioned Lyon Hochman who is my employer. The weird thing is that Dr.Hochman is a gastroenterologist not some family physician so him treating some small case of influenza doesn’t seem likely. Kinda of weird
In the States, they call a stomach bug "the stomach flu" for some odd reason. If you read that newspaper clipping closely you'll see that she was suffering from "dehydration" which is common in severe stomach bug cases
@@PhilieBlunt666 I drove from Kansas City to the outskirts of Colorado in one day and it was the single most traumatic boredom experience I've ever felt. I thought I was losing my mind, like a small part of me panicked WHAT IF THIS NEVER ENDS?!?!"
@@skeetsmcgrew3282 dood, the drive across kansas is literally hell on earth.... my condolences! Its like a 12-14 hour drive of straight flat nothingness... ive made a trip to my aunts in ohio, same distance, about 12 hours and it wasn't even 1/4 as bad as the same amount of time driving across kansas.... there should be some kind of award for surviving that shit!
I remember Paula Abdul as a dancer. :) "In Super Castlevania IV, the Dancing Spectres bosses are named Fred Askare and Paula Abghoul. Their names are a reference to legendary dancer Fred Astaire and pop singer and dancer Paula Abdul."
I found the kindness and empathy you showed near the end of the video refreshing. It's easy to kick "tall poppies" when they're down or show their flaws. Thank you for not doing that.
I am really loving these "quick" edited videos with just the facts and assumptions being laid out in a clear, logical way. I feel like there's an "Arms race" on right now for these types of channels to make their videos as artistic and cinematic as possible. Kind of ruins the story being told. Keep doing what you're doing, thanks!
This is a little weird which may fall into the Mandela Effect, but I swear that it was Janet Jackson who had a hiatus after being in a plane crash. That Fox news report was also very cringe.....
Are you able to perhaps do a video on your issues? I know it would be rough, and instantly peoples perspective and attitude towards one becomes different when they know but perhaps if we could normalize the understanding and have people know what it is like more people would stop treating people with substance issues worse which is one of the number one causes of why people get deeper down that rabbithole cutting them off from support systems that could otherwise help them with their issues.
The “nothing works for my pain” line sounds very much like someone dependent on pain pills. If nothing works, you must have tried a LOT. When you’re dependent on opioids like that, your body becomes accustomed to each increase in dosage, and your pain stops responding to what used to work really well. You keep having to take more and more until you hit a ceiling and “nothing works” anymore. I believe her pain was 100% legitimate and probably stemmed from joint deterioration and osteoporosis from dancing so much, she became addicted to the substances she was being treated with, and it caused severe mental and physical health issues. The times she was absent were times she was grappling with her addiction and her chronic pain as well as her deteriorating mental health and just straight up being high as shit or in active withdrawal 24/7. I’m unsure if she actually even went to rehab or not during this time, but regardless, I think it’s obvious that these weird gaps were because of opioid addiction and the plane story was fabricated (by someone whose psyche is damaged from drug abuse, so it’s not the best lmao) to try and cover up that shame and embarrassment. I feel sorry for her. She has nothing to be ashamed of. Dance is absolutely brutal on the body and you basically sign yourself up for a life of chronic pain starting very young. Sometimes people with chronic pain (especially if they’re being treated by Hollywood doctors who’ll give them whatever they ask for) just kind of slip and fall into opioid addiction. It’s pretty miraculous that she survived it, as I’m sure we’re all aware of the death toll of the opioid crisis. I hope she talks more openly and honestly about it one day, and addresses things like what dance and constant use of hyperflexible joints leads to, the struggles of facing chronic pain as a young adult, and the risk of opioid dependence that results from it. Also: those topical pain patches 80x more potent than morphine were fentanyl patches. My aunt actually died on them-severely addicted before she shot herself. They’re horrible.
the term drug dependence comes to mind. Where not only does the drug fail to adequately treat the pain, even in a situation of pain reduction or even elimination entirely, “the body” (and brain/central nervous system) become dependent on her blood containing s particular level of the drug. Reducing is painful, eliminating is near impossible without some form of treatment. Long process. I can see it taking years for someone with access to money and connections as she would have, combine that with the legitimate injuries and pain she had, recipe for a long battle to get truly clean.
"If nothing works, you must have tried a LOT. " Absolutely FALSE, and a very DANGEROUS GENERALIZATION to make!!! Some of us just aren't affected by medicines in any positive way. Any time I've been given medicine by a doctor, I try it one or two times, it has no effect as it is supposed to, but it makes me very sick. I stopped using medicines of all kinds about 20 years ago since no medicine ever works for me and I just get sick instead. I was never dependent or addicted or anything. I've barely used any kind of medicines at all in my life (apart from vaccines, of course). I'm just one of those people whose body reacts with sickness to get rid of any medicine immediately and never feels any intended-purpose effects from medicines. That includes caffeine, since caffeine never had the waking up effect on me and just made me sick instead. I didn't read beyond the first paragraph of your comment. Too long, and your first paragraph shows such ignorance there's no point reading the rest.
OMG what was that interview?!? It reminded me of one of the last tv interviews with the supermodel Gia, who was a heroin addict, where it's really clear that she is completely off her head on something.
Yeah, unfortunately, there has been an abundance of similar celebrity interviews like that. I honestly have no idea how and/or why they let these people go on the air in such a state. Many of them are career-jeopardizingly embarrassing.
@@Strype13 It makes me wonder what is so terrible about being a celebrity that so many of them are desperately looking for an escape? I never want to be famous!
@@SakuraAsranArt it must be an insane amount of pressure and I'm sure so many people get into it without really knowing what they are getting into, because they're too young and there are a lot of manipulative toxic people around them using them
It’s like she took her “plane crash” experience from the movie “La Bamba”. From leaving a concert to going down in flames in an Iowa cornfield. The only difference is she survived and in the movie Ritchie Valens didn’t. The true story is that she got addicted to pain killers and Xanax due to her back and knee surgeries (if she even really had them).
My girlfriend who was 14 at the time literally ran into her head on at a clippers game in 1993 or 1994. She was able to grab and hold on to her so she didn't fall on her ass but she was fine and her body guards didn't even attempt to protect her of she was going through all that stuff then that wouldn't have happened.
The crash she describes kind of sounds like one that happened a couple years earlier. United airlines 232 took OFF from Denver, had an engine failure, had problems with the right side of the plane, and crash landed in a field in Iowa. Kinda sounds similar to what she describes.
I've lived in St. Louis almost my entire life and I've never heard of Paula Abdul's airplane crash. And believe me, if something had happens like that, particularly during the height of her career, it would have been headline news for a month in this town.
I'd always heard the plane crash story was BS and assumed it was a play for attention, but the truth is obviously much much sadder. I hope she's in a better place now and has people around her that care about her enough to show tough love.
Great video. I’ve always suspected the same thing about Paula, nice job putting it together. She may even have false memories of a plane crash after being told she was in one, who really knows.
I have never heard of this incident or the woman who the video is about, and I watched the entire thing through. I thought your take on it was interesting, and I kind of want to research it myself to see what other possible things could've happened.
Let me know what you find out! I’m very interested to because I really like her and don’t want to believe that she lied about all of this but I guess it’s possible!!
My guess: there really is nothing more to it than "chronic pain issues from normal occupational injuries -> opiate addiction", and she made up the plane story because she was ashamed that the injuries she thought of as expected for her line of work had fucked her up so much. If, as has been reported, she was also struggling with an eating disorder, that suggests existing self-worth issues. The hospitalization was probably either an overdose or a suicide attempt.
Just a wild theory I was thinking while watching - Maybe she tried to kill herself by jumping off something, but didn't die, and she ended up needing tons of surgeries because of the injuries. If she landed feet first she would break her leg(s) and damage her spine, as well as hit her head after she landed (she mentioned a head injury). She then decided to change the story as to not destroy her career/public image. The drug addiction could have started before or after this occurred, or even have been the cause of her suicide attempt. 2nd theory - All of the above, but she wasn't suicidal, instead she accidentally fell off of something while high on pain killers. The embarrassment/shame of that could definitely lead someone to cover up the story.
I'm not saying anything about Paula here, but just in general I wish the stigma of addiction would go away, it happens to the best of us and there's nothing to be ashamed of. Just don't blame your bad behavior on it! I'll never get mad at someone for trying to feel good, just be honest with yourself. Speaking of being honest, I'm 52 and my pfp is almost 30 years old. Why lie about that?
It seems like you have a misunderstanding of what addiction does to your brain. It afflicts people already so deeply ashamed of themselves but now they desperately need to explain their worsening behavior. Its why in AA we say "you're only as sick as your secrets".
@@princelumpypackmule1101 I admire your self-awareness! I think fear of imaginary repercussions makes it a lot harder to face, I hope you felt some intense relief when you faced it, and I think you're very brave to say it on the internet!
@@proddamascus8745 And you know that because you've personally studied every drug? Some can create delusions, especially if paired with a mental illness (I don't know that she does or doesn't have one), but drugs can certainly create delusions that people believe are real.
If I got the timeline right I'm almost 100% certain she's addicted to oxycontin or something similar, I've had a bunch of friends who were addicted to that crap and her behavior reminds me a lot of that. Since she was popular in the mid-90's and oxycontin was produced and heavily marketed as a miracle drug in '96, it would make sense that she "went to the hospital" for literally whatever reason and was pushed oxy. The drug then ends up doing more harm than good, fast forward a decade or two and here we are. I wouldnt doubt the plane crash is just a metaphor to remind her the dangers of "crashing and burning" again
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I’ve watch too many police interrogation videos to know that when people are lying, they tend to slightly pause and look directly at you, to make sure you’re believing the lies. If the event did happen, you would be focused on trying to re-live the moment in your mind, which at that moment, you’re probably looking down or up and telling your story as it appears in your memories.
Alot of times a person lying will in fact refuse to look at the person they are telling the lie to. Often times they look up and to the left or down and to the right. Not sure if that's 100% accurate but I do know that often times liars don't want to make eye contact.
@@moviemaker2011z I'm guessing those are just different types of people. If one is neurotic and finds human contact difficult to handle or feels uncomfortable and unconfident, they will try to avoid eye contact. Such people also tend to fiddle with small objects or their hair, bite their nails, cover their face, etc. Yet if the person is well-spoken and their lie is carefully crafted, they might indeed closely observe the reaction of others to make sure their words are perceived the way they should be. I have a habit of looking away when telling long stories, but not because I lie all the time. I simply find it awkward to stare into the person's eyes for so long, especially when we're sitting close.
@@belial7625 I'm the same way, I find it very hard to look directly at people for even short periods of time. But what I was referring to (though I failed to mention it) is that studies have concluded that people who are actively engaging in telling a lie will refuse to make eye contact or will dart their eyes around. Which makes people like you and me look bad in the long run.
Thank you for this-I enjoy the down to earth, logical research. I remember this this stuff first happened and there was a big thing about the plane crash and the surgery and it was kind of a thing that suggested this stuff led to her getting out of the music industry. Getting this side of things and what was more likely, all these years later, is a really refreshing look. I love your work, your work reminds me of another channel Brick Immotar-another down to earth detailed channel about maritime accidents and structure failings.
she's trying to tell people that she somehow generated enough force to break a belt that adds 6000 lbs of tensile strength to your natural braking force... and that no one else in that flight also achieved this?
Admitting that you’ve had your own struggles with addiction takes a lot of fortitude as a person and contributes greatly to my opinion of your opinion of this particular story
I'm currently clean from opiate abuse after 18 yrs addicted to pain pills. That Fox News clip broke my heart. I think the Plane crash is a story she uses to make sense of the despair that addiction causes. None of us are immune and it can only take a injury and a few scripts to get in this cycle.
Oh gosh that fox clip. I've seen people on coke act like that. This poor woman. She probably couldn't even see straight. How could people let her do this..... I'm upset for her. Was no one trying to do anything for her? I guess we won't know. But that's so sad that anyone would let someone go on live television being on so many drugs. How could you let someone do that. All you had to do was reschedule it.... :/
Walter Sobchak imo it seems more likely an amphetamine , like adderall or mdma or meth, “coke mouth” is usually is a little different it’s more breathing through the mouth and swallowing
@@Oxxg I don’t think it was adderall, or coke, by them selves. Meth mayybe but it seems more like strong pain killers plus some recently downed shots, or yeah literally mdma in and of itself would make sense. I think often times it’s a combination so probably multiples
I don't know why, but I find it amusing that the newspaper article discussing her hospitalization at 9:50 features a Peanuts character saying, "pilot" on the left side and the showtimes for iron eagle 3 which also is aviation related to the right. I'm amused by little synchronicities like that in a story about a supposed plane crash.
9:49 - stopping to comment again, “flu” is a common claim when suffering from opiate withdrawals the symptoms are basically the same as well very easy to conflate the two. Again another HUGE red flag.
now i cant go to sleep ffs Edit: thanks for the heart dad, was a great vid! Edit 2: Wait im stupid, now the love is gone. These circumstances have become not ideal
there is something HUGE being ignored when discussing the pain pill addiction, and her "using" her injuries to explain how it started. I think younger people forget that up until 2007/08 ANY doctor would tell you pain pills were NOT addictive if you were in pain, and there was no limit to how much one may need to take. The fact one had built tolerance up to the dose was even excused as a norm. In the 90s all the medical professionals would say tylenol was as likely to be abused as any pain pill, there was no risk, and any info or opinion otherwise was criticized, ignored, and considered conspiracy theories of people too ignorant to understand the science. Just keep that in mind
Aw the interview is hard to watch. You weren't joking when you said you have no idea why anyone let her do the interview. Opiod crisis strikes again. Poor woman.
Fentanyl patch, that'll certainly help her if used correctly and strictly. And hospitalized for "flu" just sounds like opiate withdrawal which might as well just be the flu times a few orders of magnitude of misery. Goes to the hospital/ER for acute withdrawls and badda bing badda boom, baby. Which, plenty of users do.
I'm from Iowa and can tell you there isn't a lot like this that happens around here and when it does it tends to be new thats talked about for a long time. I've never heard a damn thing about this.
Men lie about their height!
Edit: I thought the joke about age was light hearted but I guess the tone probably wasn’t perfect.
Nonetheless my bad, gonna move on and keep making vids.
But why?
only height?
Bahahah
and "length"
Because women lie about their age?😳
The lack of any FAA record is the nail in the coffin that there never was a plane crash. Something happened that she wanted to keep quiet and she's been telling this lie for more than 20 years now.
Drugs, most likely, abuse too
Could she be remembering a drug trip on an airplane?
@@hicknopunk No way in hell that this woman has touched something harder then alcohol. Seems like she'd be "too good"
It screams alcohol abuse to me, my guy
with all the crap we know about what people were doing back then, it was probably some epstein island thing and she had to lie about.
Lisa Gibson shut up and get help nothing was going on
Barely Sociable: Silk road
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Long live the silk road, and long live the Dread Pirate Roberts.
Those were “very dangerous people”
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I binge both.
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Can't wait for Tiny Bit Sociable to talk about Vtubers
The fact that she claims she "broke through" her airplane seatbelt is, alone, enough to render that story entirely nonsensical.
Yeah I was wondering about that, do you know how difficult it would actually be?
@@EXbobomb yeah and the amount of force to breakthrough the seatbelt would probably kill her tbh
@@EXbobomb Most aircraft seatbelts require a minimum 3000-pound "break strength." And they utilize high-strength polyester woven in such a fashion that they're able to"stretch" when heavy force is applied to them. In laymen's terms, it is borderline impossible to "break through" a seatbelt. As graphic as it sounds, a seatbelt will bisect your body before it reaches its "breaking point."
So like if her seat belt really broke she could literally justifiably sue the company into oblivion, like who would let that slide? and if it did happen it would be well documented, its the fucking National Transportation Safety Board if something falls out of the fucking sky they know everything about it.
@@Holesale00 Yeah. It most definitely didn't happen. I'm not sure if she just told that bogus story for sympathy at some point, and then figured she had to run with it, or what... but it's 100% fiction. Not to mention, if a celebrity is involved in a plane crash, it immediately gets plastered all over headlines of every news source imaginable. Just look at any other celebrity-involved plane crash that has ever taken place throughout history. Yet, not a single person can find a single shred of evidence that Paula was ever involved in one. Apparently, it was those pills that f%cked her head up... not the roof of any airplane.
As someone who did gymnastics, cheer, dance and a lot, it's EASILY believable that her body started to break down and she got Oxy or morphine to deal with the pain or after a surgery and was one of the many unlucky who became addicted.
She has told the story so many times at this point, she may believe it. Side effect of long term lying.
Also could be the result of a drug induced coma that made her dream that scenario so that when she actually woke up, her brain was still trying to get out of the dream like state, and so it made her think she actually was in a plane crash.
Either that or the result of false memories forming after a traumatic experience as a a way for your body and mind to cope without having to think about what actually happened. (i.e. her going into a drug induced coma and woke up with false memories that she fabricated over time to make it sound more reasonable for her scenario)
I’m pretty sure long term addiction isn’t something she would forget. It’s a cover up and honestly it’s not a bad idea. She was ashamed of it.
I thought I heard she got addicted to pain meds from her injuries!??
I used to be addicted to pain killers and I can very well imagine that a professional dancer can easily fall into that same trap. High doses of pain killers will make you numb to all pain, including the pain that tells you, when you are overworking your muscles.
Being on severe pain killers while doing sport makes you feel like a super hero. The combination of both is especially addictive, since you can workout far harder and longer, which leads to higher output of serotonine and adrenalin which you can become addicted to in addition to the pain killer itself.
I can definitely agree with this as a former athlete including contact sports and gymnastics... I also have hyper mobility and my life changed so much between 25-30 as far as chronic pain. It's crazy, your joints start quickly turning against you.
If you’re not careful with this upload rate, Slightly Sociable will become your main channel before long
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What's wrong with that? This channel is less creepy.
What’s the other channel ??
@@ci6516 barely sociable
@@elijaha773 They're both equally creepy. In a good way. His content is always great no matter the channel. People like hearing about creepy mysteries.
That Paula drugged up interview was really hard to watch. Interesting that she mentioned how when she came to after hitting her head "Everyone on the plane was holding hands." Sounds kinda like the start of an intervention to me, especially if everyone saw her almost die. Very interesting, certainly explains why she would only sorta kinda drop off the map during the height of her career. If this is true, gotta give her manager and shit credit. They really thought of her health before her career
I initially had a bit of a problem with everyone suggesting that she'd lie about a plane crash just because she might've almost died, making up wildly-contradictory stories just to cover for it, but once you put that into perspective the way you just did, I'm kind of wondering if not only did she almost die, but if it was intentional, it might explain quite a bit. This is all wildly conspiratorial, and a little creepy from a bunch of people on the internet who don't know her, but since we're all throwing shit against the wall anyway...
@Fvcked I would say I understand that if she wasn't literally in the middle of a tour. I suppose it's possible she had smaller venues or they hadn't been very full, that would be pretty hard to remember/prove. But hey, I have no interest in fame so I have no idea how it works mentally. Maybe some people just always want more and more and even a little less is unacceptable
That's not what happened haha
They don't save performers health lol
You have a nice, naive, childlike and wonderful mind
Have a cookie, you
This actually makes a lot of sense!
seems like she od'd and that probably inspired her to get sober
Yeah, she’s obviously on something in that news clip. Between takes, she seems to become more clear headed and lucid.
She might just be super nervous, nvm I finished the video and saw the news clip I thought you were talking about another clip and I didn’t think she looked like she was high but after seeing that last clip she’s definitely high on something
Jack Malvaney No way thats just nerves. She wasnt new to publicity either at that point
Its possible she really does suffer from some sort of chronic pain issues and she may be on pain medication, which can make people much slower to think, doze off, slur, etc. It could be alcohol but she doesn't seem to be drunk, more like high on some sort of depressant (downer). Its very common for people on opiods to come in and out of lucidity. It also could be shes trying to make excuses to justify a pre existing drug problem or usage.
@@GrimNexus6 you must be naive to substances
@@NoobOfShame it's not opiates.
She was also dealing with bulimia and anorexia at the point in time which the plane crash allegedly happened. At some point in the middle of the 90s she checked into Laureate psychiatric Health Center in Tulsa
Hey I’ve been there!
I didn't know that and I was a little girl living in Tulsa around that time. 😮
Could that explain why she was hospitalized with a stomach flu/ dehydration around the time of the plane crash?
@@rachael5300 quite easily. Vomiting often leads to dehydration and someone who is bulimic and purging isn't going to be keeping many fluids down. Stomach flu would work as a pretty decent cover up
A common issue with pop stars, especially in the 80s and 90s, was that the singers were overworked and because of the intense dance routines they performed, they were injured quite often. There are many stories of artists going to see a doctor and the doctors get paid off to give the artist painkillers and say that they’re ok to perform. The music industry is a big business and they don’t want to lose revenue by cancelling shows. Someone like Paula, who was known for her intensive dance routines was probably injured by being overworked and then given pain killers to make sure she kept performing. The airplane story is from 92 when she would have been around 30. Think of pro athletes, many of them start to have their injuries compound and start to slow down in their 30s.
I am a flight instructor, there’s a lot of issues with her story, the technical stuff is off and sounds exactly like what people who don’t know about airplanes would say a plane crash would be like(for example, a single engine failing is not a death sentence, jets can fly level and even climb with an engine failed and if a wing catches fire you won’t be seeing it for too long because that means the fuel tank has caught fire because a spark+ a bunch of gas in an enclosed tank=boom, the only time a wing catches fire and stays that way is if you strike something on the ground and it chops off that part of the wing). The fact there is no NTSB report, which would be required according to NTSB part 830 if she was hospitalized for the accident(and that’s just one of many requirements), is the nail in the coffin on that.
Just imagine if every time a single engine failure led to immediately ditching in a cornfield, lol.
i'm no expert but two things told me it's a lie:
1. 'the cabin was on fire' - you'd die in a small plane, a fire like that would consume all the oxygen and you've have severe burns
2. the pilot was unconscious and bloody - how did the plane land in that case? I have a phobia of heights but needed to fly so i did everything to learn about planes, and while the engineering is sound, it requires the hand of a pilot to land, auto pilot can fly it but not land it, and deff not in those circumstances (and on a small jet? hmmmm, i think unlikely)
@@Donde_Lieta Or the pilot parachuting out, like Trevor Jacob.
@@Bjorick She stated the Co-Pilot landed the plane.
I appreciate your input. As a medical professional, I also find a lot of her story, not possible.
The patch that she was describing for pain would have been a fentanyl patch. She’s going on about how it’s 100x more potent than morphine. But that is irrelevant. It is more potent, and therefore dangerous on the street; but medical professionals simply measure morphine in milligrams and fentanyl in micrograms so it comes out the same.
It’s like knowing that a shot of whiskey can have the same amount of alcohol is a pint of beer. It’s easier to take too much, but if you know what you’re doing, it’s pretty damn simple.
Also, a fentanyl patch is a time release pain patch that is not remotely as mind altering as oral or IV fentanyl.
Many senior citizens with back problems walk around, just fine with a fentanyl patch .
Also, the recovery time after any kind of knee, surgery or back surgery would not allow her to do a workout video. I believe she’s had dancers injuries and may have had surgery, but not at the times she stated
Almost seems like the plane crash was a metaphor for her life, flying high then took a downward spiral into addiction like you mentioned. Really interesting, easy to write her off as crazy or delusional, but you wouldn’t know unless you walked in her shoes.
If you wanted to keep a lie straight, a really strong metaphor would certainly help
I think that night was an overdose. She overdosed that night, it's why she cant remember anything. She died. When ya gone ya gone. Oh she also said when she came to from the plane crash, everyone was holding hands surrounding her
Could also be a coping mechanism where she creates a false narrative in her mind
gotta say, i didnt see the final theory coming but its the only thing that makes any sense.. plane crash metaphor ends up becoming the publicized narrative.. Hell, props to her for surviving.. Addiction doesnt care about your public image.. It hijacks the controls and flies high.. lifts you up until you break, tour dates be damned..
Why bother perpetuating such an obvious lie, though? It certainly isn't doing anything to help her career. Just makes her seem like she's full of shit. And combined with her blatantly obvious pill addiction, it's not exactly a good look.
Jesus, the fox interview made me embarrassed for her 💀
aka cringe
Yeah, she was downright tossed in that clip. And Sociable is right... why the hell did they even let her go on the air in that state? That was career-jeopardizingly embarrassing.
Yeah
She's very loopy in that interview. Likely on pain meds
@@snoozeflu Loopy is quite an understatement. She was downright blasted. Barely even coherent.
I was a teen in the early 90s and I don't recall EVER hearing about her being in a plane crash. I thought her hiatus was because she was battling an eating disorder. I think she had come clean a few years ago somewhere about being bulimic and such at one point after Forever Your Girl took off and all eyes were on her. There was also some stuff going around about why her video for Promise of a New Day had special effects that her body stretched, like it was to make her look thinner or something like that. In Living Color made light of that in a parody vid they did for the song. So many lies have been told.
Yeah I remember the eating disorder thing and I also remember an interview Kurt Loder did with Madonna where Abdul's name came up and they were both kind of obliquely busting on her about the weight she'd put on.
She was also an alcoholic
@aviato287 x are you serious, she just recited a paragraph of facts about a pop star
@aviato287 x No she doesn't... everything she said is correct.
I always thought she was MIA for having an eating disorder too. No clue where I would have heard that other than maybe the pro-ana communities I was following at the time on LiveJournal
Your voiceover is on point this video. You've got the EQ dialed in and your inflection was perfect. I like you moving away from the monotone, booming bass, to something more natural and human.
Son.
dad?
mom!
@@7aristos7 brother?
@@maryvampiregirl666 sister?
Appreciate the fact that you relate to her struggle and maintained her dignity. It's a difficult battle to abstain. You have my respect for taking the higher path.
I remember all those American Idol incidents where she was acting off. My family & people tended to figure she was drunk, but that painkiller addiction must have been what was going on for sure. Painkillers are insanely hard to get off of when you get addicted to them, especially after that long of being dependent on them. I don't doubt she had a lot of real injuries that led to the addiction though, of course. The kind of dancing she was famous for is as grueling as a lot of contact sports can be, especially--like she said--you're always at it, always having to 1-up your last performance, rarely given enough time to recover from injuries, & eating disorders are also common among dancers.
@fenrirdies Right, I mean she wasn't doing some choreographed stunt man kung-fu mixed with dance moves like you see in so many tv shows and movies.
oneuponedown she very well could of been injured before doing all the dances, which do not help a healing process
Those weren’t painkillers as someone who has been a long term user.
@@Bloodreign137 uh oh. any thoughts what it mighta been? Not trying to pry, just curious as a guy with long term users in hid family
I'd be okay with her singing from a chair on stage. I'm sure a lot of people would be. You dont have to dance on stage, no not even as a pop singer.
But I agree about the “near death experience” she said when she woke up everyone was holding hands. Sounds like she had an overdose experience, possibly slipped into a short coma and had people surrounding her that were worried and possibly praying for her at the time. She could have also developed some partial paralysis from that sort of “brain injury” as well. I think it absolutely is a n analogy like a “Train-wreck” so to speak except her rock bottom involves a plane.
Agreed. Also as I was coming to after being revived from an OD, I imagined all these people in my room. I was all disoriented it was quite strange
Idk I've had times where I had a near-death six hour overdose on heroin, left the hospital and went to work directly after. Managing hundreds of thousands of dollars without making a mistake.
And that overdose lasted so long because nobody found me until six hours after I fell out. Call me crazy but I just dont think a drug OD explains all of this.
Oh my god it is Spider you’d know better than me, you’ve obviously experienced it. Maybe it’s a combination of drugs/OD and mental health the compounded it into what it is. Guess we’ll never know. I’m sorry to hear about your experience, I hope you’re doing well now.
@@agoodballet I mean I suppose it's possible she overdosed and went directly to rehab- the way that works is you spend a few days in some inpatient facility (often the psychiatric ward of a hospital) monitored by doctors as you are put on some medicine (in the case of opiates, something like methadone or suboxone) or go through detox (and I think the 90s are too recent for something so barbaric as like cold turkey detox) and after you're stable you move on to some outpatient therapy-- but even in the 90s a "rising star" musician isn't going to stop touring and effectively stop being a serious musician for that.
Yeah, obviously I'm a little experienced in that world. Enough to know that one little overdose (or even a really big one) and one trip to rehab almost never is the end of a substance abuse disorder.
For the record, mental illness is ALWAYS comorbid with substance abuse. Obviously her medical history isn't public knowledge or public record. The plane crash certainly didn't happen, but the common reality of a drug problem, in the 90s, with a madonna wannabe, wouldn't be covered up with a fake plane crash.
And I'm somewhat okay now, thanks for showing concern. I'm in recovery and somehow still alive after a decade in that world.
The most telling hint that the plane crash story is something more is that when she retells the story, it's almost always word for word (listen to the two clips - literally exactly the same wording). Usually when retelling true stories multiple times, you skip around or fumble over details of the incident. In her case, it's as if she was given a script to memorize and retell. Very strange.
When you say a lie for a long time it becomes the truth. So it's easy for to be word for word. If that's your argument than thank goodness you ain't a lawyer
Wouldn't it be the other way around? The specific retelling of the story almost the same every time lends more credence to its authenticity, as opposed to her changing the lie every time because it didn't actually happen.
@@AH-nc6vv Actually, no. When you lie, your perspective is limited, you're being careful with what you say, so you just try to stick the story that has validity and that people accepted. When you tell the truth, you don't think about the form of your story. Sometimes you mention additional little details, like how you felt or what you noticed, sometimes you don't, especially when retelling the same story multiple times. In situations like a plain crash, for instance, you might have a lot of sensory experiences at any given moment which makes it quite difficult to describe absolutely everything that happened, so it's only natural that sometimes you don't include some things, but later you suddenly remember about them and start wondering if they are relevant to what your are telling.
Sometimes people who lie do change their story a lot, but it's usually just because they are being careless. However, there is a difference between changing integral parts of the story and mentioning something that you failed to include previously, like hearing some noise at a particular time or something like this.
Protip: If you're gonna lie about your age, go older. People will always think you look amazing for your age that way.
And yeah, it was/is absolutely a painkiller dependency. I feel her. I'm her age and I fought with them for twelve years, ultimately switching to heroin. Six months into recovery I found out I have terminal cancer. Watch yourselves out there.
howre ya doing?
@@mattsherwood maybe she isnt doing anything, because she did?
@@unistavanjesquarediagonal2687 why would you write something like that?
@@unistavanjesquarediagonal2687 Because she did? Did what? Died? If ya gunna write a shitty comment at least get the spelling right 🤷♂
Very classy handling of this story. I appreciate you remaining objective and not denigrating her. This is clearly a woman struggling. She's coming up with an alternate history for herself. While I do have to question the validity of self-deception as a healthy approach to maintaining sobriety, there's clearly a lot more that we don't know about Abdul's life. I'm sort of surprised that this hasn't become more of a problem for her publicity-wise, the way tabloids are and all. But above all I just hope to see her well.
Well said.
This almost feels like a real life Shutter Island sort of scenario
I think what he was getting at regarding the plane crash story was exactly what he said- that it was an allegory she told herself, not "self deception." My guess is that she overdosed and was revived at the hospital using naloxone, which has been in use to reverse opioid overdose since the 70's.
The plane crash story does the job of conveying a terrifying near death experience to the public without specifying that the event was something the US has nothing but disgust and disdain toward. You can understand why someone would be less than honest about that sort of thing, especially someone as famous as Paula.
She made her choice in life. Lost all respect for her.
@@kw4123 Thanks for letting us know! I'm sure your opinion of her really keeps her up at night.
"You're like an onion."
My goodness, I guess she had to stop because of the mental toll of becoming an Ogre every night.
Thank you doof, very cool
Ok
ogres, are like onions
inb4 triggered people who dont know shrek
a moment of silence for them
I read this comment as soon as he said it
I knew it was addiction before reading the comments. She talks about back pain and it's easy to guess she was addicted to pain killers
Addiction doesnt discriminate at all
The pain patch that was mentioned was probably a Fentanyl patch. Those things are crazy powerful and many people have died because they took too much of their own prescription. I believe that the Fent patch is used for people who have become so tolerant to pain meds that they cannot feel the effects from simple hydrocodone or even morphine. Fent is brought in as the "big guns" for pain relief.
M Jin exactly correct sir. Many ppl round here have died from chewing them patches up or mixing it with other shit
Erbody likes drugs! Guarantee you use drugs, they may be socially acceptable but it's still dope
I agree. I could be wrong, but hasn't Simon Cowell got a habit of hiring vavulnerable judges in similar situations? Or maybe that could be due the fact, that only desperate ex singers are willing to go on his shows.
Hey Barely, it takes a big heart and a huge amount of compassion to see and acknowledge someone struggling (And also manageing in their own way) with mental health and not make fun of them. But it takes literal balls of steel to admit your own struggles to Hundreds of thousands of people. Thank you for that, this video made the world a better place and every tiny step towards acknowledging the human condition is a leap into a future with less people suffering.
Try to stay clean and healthy, the world is a better place with your videos than without.
Man I wonder what those interviewers were thinking when they realized that they were talking to an obviously high guest. Big ups to them for keeping it professional and not showing signs of discomfort.
Nah actually no props to them bc you shouldn't do an interview at all with someone who is high. Even legally that's sketchy as hell
They should have thanked her for her time, ended the interview, told her to get rest and help and not air the interview.. imagine exploiting an addict and calling it professional
@@cassie4965 they were live, it is live news. They didn’t know.
I feel you! Addiction is the worst thing to happen to many. All I have to say is, she is still in the cycle, number one and two and three is admit the problem!!! Im sure it will come out in some book she writes in 2040 in autobiographical format!
Or its not for us to know. That's fine too.
Addiction doesnt discriminate.
~~between the sinners and the saints and it takes and it takes and it takes~~
Oh so you think we're gonna live until 2040...
They need to reschedule certain drugs. Having marajuana ranked alongside heroin is not just a joke....its DANGEROUS... kids who dont know better think, well, if they lied about weed being terrible, then heroins prolly okay too.
The two drugs arent even in the same BALLPARK. Its like comparing oatmeal to battery acid....
Honestly, I wish our society would just be more open about drug abuse and mental health instead of trying to 'sweep it under the rug,' so to speak. Whatever the specifics of the situation, she deserves to be helped and not judged for these issues. I wasn't ever a fan of her work specifically but even still, I hope that she doesn't become another case of being "too late" with addiction and/or other issues going untreated for too long..
Elliott I would suggest you do some research into the benefits of psychedelics and the war on drugs there are some popular videos out there that I think you’ll find very interesting.
@@awesomo660 certain drugs can be deadly, though. I think OP is referring to substances you can overdose on
Completely agree. Shame is a terrible thing
It’s the stupid war on drugs and propaganda from hundreds of years of money greedy jerks. Like what happened to marijuana when it became illegal cause of hemp products and the industry giants probably didn’t like it. And also opium cause of racism and then lately the prison industrial complex.
@@AleTitan I agree, my comment was about the idea that anybody who uses drug is looked down upon as a criminal when most are normal people and a few are in need of help not punishment
That Fox interview was painful, god damn.
I had to turn the volume off after the first 20 seconds or so.
The journalists interviewing her managed to keep it cool very well, if I didn't know I might have believed their audio issues excuse
@@rachael5300 I kinda felt sad for the anchors though.....
Raquel Feliciano - I don’t get why they went back to her - should have just said they couldn’t get reconnected.
It is what it is.. and it was BRILLIANT!!
The only thing I’d say you overlooked is that her fluctuating number of surgeries could’ve very easily just been an effect of time, since injuries like that many times require continuous treatment through the years.
there is something behind that story. when she was interviewed about it it sounds so real. her voice cracking and the way she talks about it. its like shes super nervous talking about it. but its such a crazy story and crazy to lie about, its strange. one things for sure though, she has been under the influence of some heavy stuff many times. i remember it was a running joke that she drank on american idol and that her coke glass had something else in it
The vibe i get from her is someone who initially had problems with ongoing pain management and may still have that problem but it's now dealing with an opiate addiction
I found you ages back on your main channel, when you were at 3k subs. You came out swinging so hard, you came out swinging like a million sub channel. I'm so proud to see you doing so well now, and I love your content still. You get to the point, you tell what's important, and keep on track.
Good work, man.
Thanks for being along for the ride!
Yeah ngl people said he was buying subs, and that it was impossible for a channel to grow this fast
okay the ending was actually really sad/disturbing idk what i was expecting lol
Awwwww Barely Sociable! I didn’t kno you’ve struggled with something like that. I almost started to tear up a bit cuz I’ve had my own struggles as well. So I just wanted to say I’m glad you’re here and making videos. I’ve watched every single one at least three times each. I love your content. Keep it up man. One day at a time :)
The thing that got me was the fact that you mentioned Lyon Hochman who is my employer. The weird thing is that Dr.Hochman is a gastroenterologist not some family physician so him treating some small case of influenza doesn’t seem likely. Kinda of weird
What type of things does he usually treat? What do you think is most likely?
gastro has to do with the intestinal track. it said in the video it was her liver that was infected.
In the States, they call a stomach bug "the stomach flu" for some odd reason. If you read that newspaper clipping closely you'll see that she was suffering from "dehydration" which is common in severe stomach bug cases
Ive flown from st louis to California and kansas city many times and when you're flying west like that you're never anywhere near iowa...
It's not like there's a lot of clogged air space around there to divert around. There ain't fuckin nothing out there lol
@@skeetsmcgrew3282 i live in kansas city and i can confirm this 🤣
@@PhilieBlunt666 I drove from Kansas City to the outskirts of Colorado in one day and it was the single most traumatic boredom experience I've ever felt. I thought I was losing my mind, like a small part of me panicked WHAT IF THIS NEVER ENDS?!?!"
@@skeetsmcgrew3282 dood, the drive across kansas is literally hell on earth.... my condolences! Its like a 12-14 hour drive of straight flat nothingness... ive made a trip to my aunts in ohio, same distance, about 12 hours and it wasn't even 1/4 as bad as the same amount of time driving across kansas.... there should be some kind of award for surviving that shit!
@@skeetsmcgrew3282 thats why to this day if im traveling west, i fly, period.
I think slightly sociable may be barely sociable
You don’t say
snowfox94 oh god no
😂
Who?
Wait you’re on to something
I remember Paula Abdul as a dancer. :)
"In Super Castlevania IV, the Dancing Spectres bosses are named Fred Askare and Paula Abghoul. Their names are a reference to legendary dancer Fred Astaire and pop singer and dancer Paula Abdul."
I found the kindness and empathy you showed near the end of the video refreshing. It's easy to kick "tall poppies" when they're down or show their flaws. Thank you for not doing that.
I am really loving these "quick" edited videos with just the facts and assumptions being laid out in a clear, logical way. I feel like there's an "Arms race" on right now for these types of channels to make their videos as artistic and cinematic as possible. Kind of ruins the story being told. Keep doing what you're doing, thanks!
This is a little weird which may fall into the Mandela Effect, but I swear that it was Janet Jackson who had a hiatus after being in a plane crash.
That Fox news report was also very cringe.....
No, I also remember that being a thing. It was a fact in a Pop-Up Video for a video she and Michael did together.
I'm a 2000s baby but I think I heard this too
Yes it was definitely a thing. And I so remember the pop up video episode you're talking about. I used to watch a shit ton of VH1 back at that point
@@drifter61 dude same, I feel like I watched almost every episode of Pop-Up Video
R Darkstorm the spaceship one
wait does the liquid background comes with a gasoline flavour? and is it good?
Are you able to perhaps do a video on your issues? I know it would be rough, and instantly peoples perspective and attitude towards one becomes different when they know but perhaps if we could normalize the understanding and have people know what it is like more people would stop treating people with substance issues worse which is one of the number one causes of why people get deeper down that rabbithole cutting them off from support systems that could otherwise help them with their issues.
Agreed
@@ImSquiggs god damn, what's your damage dude
Squiggs 【Glitches - ROM Hacks - Speedruns】 yeah who hurt you enough you feel the need to attack someone ya don’t know for attention
Squiggs 【Glitches - ROM Hacks - Speedruns】 oh wait, this must be Paula 😧
Barely Sociable was a addict?
The “nothing works for my pain” line sounds very much like someone dependent on pain pills. If nothing works, you must have tried a LOT.
When you’re dependent on opioids like that, your body becomes accustomed to each increase in dosage, and your pain stops responding to what used to work really well. You keep having to take more and more until you hit a ceiling and “nothing works” anymore.
I believe her pain was 100% legitimate and probably stemmed from joint deterioration and osteoporosis from dancing so much, she became addicted to the substances she was being treated with, and it caused severe mental and physical health issues. The times she was absent were times she was grappling with her addiction and her chronic pain as well as her deteriorating mental health and just straight up being high as shit or in active withdrawal 24/7.
I’m unsure if she actually even went to rehab or not during this time, but regardless, I think it’s obvious that these weird gaps were because of opioid addiction and the plane story was fabricated (by someone whose psyche is damaged from drug abuse, so it’s not the best lmao) to try and cover up that shame and embarrassment.
I feel sorry for her. She has nothing to be ashamed of. Dance is absolutely brutal on the body and you basically sign yourself up for a life of chronic pain starting very young. Sometimes people with chronic pain (especially if they’re being treated by Hollywood doctors who’ll give them whatever they ask for) just kind of slip and fall into opioid addiction. It’s pretty miraculous that she survived it, as I’m sure we’re all aware of the death toll of the opioid crisis. I hope she talks more openly and honestly about it one day, and addresses things like what dance and constant use of hyperflexible joints leads to, the struggles of facing chronic pain as a young adult, and the risk of opioid dependence that results from it.
Also: those topical pain patches 80x more potent than morphine were fentanyl patches. My aunt actually died on them-severely addicted before she shot herself. They’re horrible.
the term drug dependence comes to mind. Where not only does the drug fail to adequately treat the pain, even in a situation of pain reduction or even elimination entirely, “the body” (and brain/central nervous system) become dependent on her blood containing s particular level of the drug. Reducing is painful, eliminating is near impossible without some form of treatment. Long process. I can see it taking years for someone with access to money and connections as she would have, combine that with the legitimate injuries and pain she had, recipe for a long battle to get truly clean.
"If nothing works, you must have tried a LOT. " Absolutely FALSE, and a very DANGEROUS GENERALIZATION to make!!! Some of us just aren't affected by medicines in any positive way. Any time I've been given medicine by a doctor, I try it one or two times, it has no effect as it is supposed to, but it makes me very sick. I stopped using medicines of all kinds about 20 years ago since no medicine ever works for me and I just get sick instead. I was never dependent or addicted or anything. I've barely used any kind of medicines at all in my life (apart from vaccines, of course). I'm just one of those people whose body reacts with sickness to get rid of any medicine immediately and never feels any intended-purpose effects from medicines. That includes caffeine, since caffeine never had the waking up effect on me and just made me sick instead.
I didn't read beyond the first paragraph of your comment. Too long, and your first paragraph shows such ignorance there's no point reading the rest.
OMG what was that interview?!? It reminded me of one of the last tv interviews with the supermodel Gia, who was a heroin addict, where it's really clear that she is completely off her head on something.
Yeah, unfortunately, there has been an abundance of similar celebrity interviews like that. I honestly have no idea how and/or why they let these people go on the air in such a state. Many of them are career-jeopardizingly embarrassing.
@@Strype13 It makes me wonder what is so terrible about being a celebrity that so many of them are desperately looking for an escape? I never want to be famous!
@@SakuraAsranArt it must be an insane amount of pressure and I'm sure so many people get into it without really knowing what they are getting into, because they're too young and there are a lot of manipulative toxic people around them using them
It’s like she took her “plane crash” experience from the movie “La Bamba”. From leaving a concert to going down in flames in an Iowa cornfield. The only difference is she survived and in the movie Ritchie Valens didn’t. The true story is that she got addicted to pain killers and Xanax due to her back and knee surgeries (if she even really had them).
Ritchie Valens died in real life too, not just in the movie.
A lot of talent was lost in that crash.
My girlfriend who was 14 at the time literally ran into her head on at a clippers game in 1993 or 1994. She was able to grab and hold on to her so she didn't fall on her ass but she was fine and her body guards didn't even attempt to protect her of she was going through all that stuff then that wouldn't have happened.
I’m confused as to what you mean by “if she was going through all that stuff then that wouldn’t have happened” but that’s super interesting
The crash she describes kind of sounds like one that happened a couple years earlier. United airlines 232 took OFF from Denver, had an engine failure, had problems with the right side of the plane, and crash landed in a field in Iowa. Kinda sounds similar to what she describes.
There is so much anxiety in her voice it is making me anxious
I haven’t even watched the video yet, but I already know I’m in for a good entertaining one. Sociable’s the best RUclipsr for this kind of content.
nah lemmno is better
@@bananamashed ehh they are both good youtubers
I love how Lucy says “pilot?” in the comic strip next to the Hospitalization newspaper article
Are you saying that you love Lucy? Ba dum tsst
@PestoMayo oh yeah my bad! thanks for pointing it out it's been a while since i've last read peanuts
I've lived in St. Louis almost my entire life and I've never heard of Paula Abdul's airplane crash. And believe me, if something had happens like that, particularly during the height of her career, it would have been headline news for a month in this town.
The funny thing is literally the comment describes how it may have happened lol and she said Iowa somewhere not St. Louis
I'd always heard the plane crash story was BS and assumed it was a play for attention, but the truth is obviously much much sadder. I hope she's in a better place now and has people around her that care about her enough to show tough love.
Hey as someone who also dealt with addiction I like how you handled this
Great video. I’ve always suspected the same thing about Paula, nice job putting it together. She may even have false memories of a plane crash after being told she was in one, who really knows.
I have never heard of this incident or the woman who the video is about, and I watched the entire thing through. I thought your take on it was interesting, and I kind of want to research it myself to see what other possible things could've happened.
Let me know what you find out! I’m very interested to because I really like her and don’t want to believe that she lied about all of this but I guess it’s possible!!
My guess: there really is nothing more to it than "chronic pain issues from normal occupational injuries -> opiate addiction", and she made up the plane story because she was ashamed that the injuries she thought of as expected for her line of work had fucked her up so much. If, as has been reported, she was also struggling with an eating disorder, that suggests existing self-worth issues. The hospitalization was probably either an overdose or a suicide attempt.
I've never heard of this before. Interesting video, barely sociable.
Just a wild theory I was thinking while watching - Maybe she tried to kill herself by jumping off something, but didn't die, and she ended up needing tons of surgeries because of the injuries. If she landed feet first she would break her leg(s) and damage her spine, as well as hit her head after she landed (she mentioned a head injury). She then decided to change the story as to not destroy her career/public image. The drug addiction could have started before or after this occurred, or even have been the cause of her suicide attempt.
2nd theory - All of the above, but she wasn't suicidal, instead she accidentally fell off of something while high on pain killers. The embarrassment/shame of that could definitely lead someone to cover up the story.
The second channel is killing it. Keep it up dude.
I'm not saying anything about Paula here, but just in general I wish the stigma of addiction would go away, it happens to the best of us and there's nothing to be ashamed of. Just don't blame your bad behavior on it!
I'll never get mad at someone for trying to feel good, just be honest with yourself.
Speaking of being honest, I'm 52 and my pfp is almost 30 years old. Why lie about that?
I'm an addict and people look at me and say "you don't look like an addict".... What should I look like?
Some people (including me) just like ripping on other people's bad behavior to feel morally and mentally superior. It sucks I gotta stop
It seems like you have a misunderstanding of what addiction does to your brain. It afflicts people already so deeply ashamed of themselves but now they desperately need to explain their worsening behavior. Its why in AA we say "you're only as sick as your secrets".
@@anthonyhutchins2300 You make a very good point, thank you, it's very much worth thinking about.
@@princelumpypackmule1101 I admire your self-awareness! I think fear of imaginary repercussions makes it a lot harder to face, I hope you felt some intense relief when you faced it, and I think you're very brave to say it on the internet!
Laker girl discovered by the Jackson family...
What a story
Drugs. The answer is drugs. She may honestly believe all of that happened because she was very very high.
I didn't hear the last of it before the ending. It may be an allegory. She may have ODed. I think your sum up was really poignant.
@@marli8907 that's what I said. I think she overdosed that night. She doesnt remember because she died
that’s not how drugs work lmao
@@proddamascus8745 And you know that because you've personally studied every drug? Some can create delusions, especially if paired with a mental illness (I don't know that she does or doesn't have one), but drugs can certainly create delusions that people believe are real.
please name a drug that can create a vivid memory of something as life-changing as a plane crash
If I got the timeline right I'm almost 100% certain she's addicted to oxycontin or something similar, I've had a bunch of friends who were addicted to that crap and her behavior reminds me a lot of that.
Since she was popular in the mid-90's and oxycontin was produced and heavily marketed as a miracle drug in '96, it would make sense that she "went to the hospital" for literally whatever reason and was pushed oxy. The drug then ends up doing more harm than good, fast forward a decade or two and here we are.
I wouldnt doubt the plane crash is just a metaphor to remind her the dangers of "crashing and burning" again
Mate I watch both of your channels, you're doing amazing and as someone who absolutely loves internet deep dives you're top tier. I know you haven't been on here long but I'm subbed and staying for this content. You give me something to look forward to
I’ve watch too many police interrogation videos to know that when people are lying, they tend to slightly pause and look directly at you, to make sure you’re believing the lies. If the event did happen, you would be focused on trying to re-live the moment in your mind, which at that moment, you’re probably looking down or up and telling your story as it appears in your memories.
Alot of times a person lying will in fact refuse to look at the person they are telling the lie to. Often times they look up and to the left or down and to the right. Not sure if that's 100% accurate but I do know that often times liars don't want to make eye contact.
@@moviemaker2011z I'm guessing those are just different types of people. If one is neurotic and finds human contact difficult to handle or feels uncomfortable and unconfident, they will try to avoid eye contact. Such people also tend to fiddle with small objects or their hair, bite their nails, cover their face, etc. Yet if the person is well-spoken and their lie is carefully crafted, they might indeed closely observe the reaction of others to make sure their words are perceived the way they should be.
I have a habit of looking away when telling long stories, but not because I lie all the time. I simply find it awkward to stare into the person's eyes for so long, especially when we're sitting close.
@@belial7625 I'm the same way, I find it very hard to look directly at people for even short periods of time. But what I was referring to (though I failed to mention it) is that studies have concluded that people who are actively engaging in telling a lie will refuse to make eye contact or will dart their eyes around. Which makes people like you and me look bad in the long run.
Yo, I don’t know why but I really wanna hear you sing, Sociable
y u up so late m8
Thank you for this-I enjoy the down to earth, logical research. I remember this this stuff first happened and there was a big thing about the plane crash and the surgery and it was kind of a thing that suggested this stuff led to her getting out of the music industry. Getting this side of things and what was more likely, all these years later, is a really refreshing look. I love your work, your work reminds me of another channel Brick Immotar-another down to earth detailed channel about maritime accidents and structure failings.
You make great, informative and level headed videos. A+
Barely Sociable the type of guy to know where that missing sock is
I just saw this post on unresolvedmysterious reddit and now I see a video about it wtf
She is geeked up on something during that interview
great video!! Really enjoyed watching it and the way you handled talking about addiction was to the point and not meant to attack her personally.
she's trying to tell people that she somehow generated enough force to break a belt that adds 6000 lbs of tensile strength to your natural braking force... and that no one else in that flight also achieved this?
I just saw this on Reddit lol someone said a RUclipsr should cover this and here we are
Wow she was a substance abuser & probably had an OD &/or a psychotic episode. I wonder how she was able to hide her secret so well.
Right? Interesting that nobody cared enough to look into it at the time. You'd think somebody would want to talk to that copilot, that's a crazy story
Narcan
Feel bad for her honestly, clearly not in a good state of mind, metaphors make strong coping mechanisms
Admitting that you’ve had your own struggles with addiction takes a lot of fortitude as a person and contributes greatly to my opinion of your opinion of this particular story
I love how practical and intellectual your are. I love every video from the original channel.
I'm currently clean from opiate abuse after 18 yrs addicted to pain pills. That Fox News clip broke my heart. I think the Plane crash is a story she uses to make sense of the despair that addiction causes. None of us are immune and it can only take a injury and a few scripts to get in this cycle.
Oh gosh that fox clip. I've seen people on coke act like that. This poor woman. She probably couldn't even see straight. How could people let her do this..... I'm upset for her. Was no one trying to do anything for her? I guess we won't know. But that's so sad that anyone would let someone go on live television being on so many drugs. How could you let someone do that. All you had to do was reschedule it.... :/
Yeah she was gurning her jaw
Walter Sobchak imo it seems more likely an amphetamine , like adderall or mdma or meth, “coke mouth” is usually is a little different it’s more breathing through the mouth and swallowing
@@Oxxg She was on Fetanyl
@@Oxxg I don’t think it was adderall, or coke, by them selves. Meth mayybe but it seems more like strong pain killers plus some recently downed shots, or yeah literally mdma in and of itself would make sense. I think often times it’s a combination so probably multiples
"Intestinal influenza" sounds like a euphemism for a bad case of diarrhea, which would be further evidenced by the follow-up line about dehydration.
I don't know why, but I find it amusing that the newspaper article discussing her hospitalization at 9:50 features a Peanuts character saying, "pilot" on the left side and the showtimes for iron eagle 3 which also is aviation related to the right. I'm amused by little synchronicities like that in a story about a supposed plane crash.
I’m looking forward for an upload from you every single day, eagerly! Barely Sociable is an addiction!
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9:49 - stopping to comment again, “flu” is a common claim when suffering from opiate withdrawals the symptoms are basically the same as well very easy to conflate the two. Again another HUGE red flag.
Good point. Chills, sweats, cold-sweats, lethargy/bedridden, lack of appetite, dehydrated, nausea, restlessness, irritability, all of it.
now i cant go to sleep ffs
Edit: thanks for the heart dad, was a great vid!
Edit 2: Wait im stupid, now the love is gone. These circumstances have become not ideal
You can edit a hearted comment bruh, you lose the heart
Thanks for all the content lately your vids are consistently badass ! ! !
i'm so glad i subbed to this channel as well! Always quality content! Thanks so much!!
thanks for uploading my night was super dead
that chick is baked af why did her manager let her on??
If you mean cannabis, definitely not.
@@talloncusack im thinking coke
She's talking about fentnyl patches. Yeah, that's an opiate.
Opioid. Not opiate
I'm liking what you cover on this channel. So when are you completing your Sociability?
@@Blakbox92 Hehe.
there is something HUGE being ignored when discussing the pain pill addiction, and her "using" her injuries to explain how it started. I think younger people forget that up until 2007/08 ANY doctor would tell you pain pills were NOT addictive if you were in pain, and there was no limit to how much one may need to take. The fact one had built tolerance up to the dose was even excused as a norm. In the 90s all the medical professionals would say tylenol was as likely to be abused as any pain pill, there was no risk, and any info or opinion otherwise was criticized, ignored, and considered conspiracy theories of people too ignorant to understand the science. Just keep that in mind
had to pause that interview multiple times just to physically be able to watch it
Aw the interview is hard to watch. You weren't joking when you said you have no idea why anyone let her do the interview.
Opiod crisis strikes again. Poor woman.
Fentanyl patch, that'll certainly help her if used correctly and strictly.
And hospitalized for "flu" just sounds like opiate withdrawal which might as well just be the flu times a few orders of magnitude of misery. Goes to the hospital/ER for acute withdrawls and badda bing badda boom, baby. Which, plenty of users do.
Yep, I was on Fentanyl patch for years, he's right the withdraws are easily bad enough to be hospitalize.
I've always thought she used the plane crash as a cover up for rehab.
"I don't know if she can hear us right now," No, my friend, she could not.
I'm from Iowa and can tell you there isn't a lot like this that happens around here and when it does it tends to be new thats talked about for a long time. I've never heard a damn thing about this.
Sweet 15 minutes I can kill while I’m at work. Thanks BS!
Um its ss on this chanel
@Bea Dobson whos joking? It is ss.
@Bea Dobson im well aware of that