Selvala is a very powerful deck. Glad you took out the infinite combos as it is really fun to see it go off naturally. I personally love the hydra tribal build you went for.
Thanks for season 13, hope you guys have a great holiday. To bad I have to miss winter SCGCon... Hope to see you guys again in the summer. Great ending to this episode with the cut to Justin punching.
It's really tough to be in Team Justin... When he's leading, he's focused. When he's losing, he's focused. When he's about to win, he grabs the wrong card one card before the correct one (Wheel instead of Caress). :'(
Stephen you could have just given the ballista haste to ensure Jon doesn't get first blood lol, you were just greedy and wanted the guy in last to get the point :p
I like how Ashling's name is a pun on the Irish name Aisling. They are pronounced very similarly, and seeing as Lorwyn is based on folklore of the British Isles, it makes a lot of sense. My dog is named Aisling, but I went with the "U.S." spelling of "Ashlyn" so vets and caretakers would know how to say it.
Love how Jon announces Gravitic Punch has two targets and re-reads Zada yet still they play it wrong. Team Parnell should have brought home the W today!
I'm pretty sure redirect doesn't have the word cast on it... Zada reads cast specifically, therefore jon shouldn't be able to copy the punch. Aside from that zada on copies on creatures you control and you is its controller
Burning Inquiry is my most recommend card for any discard deck. In my Nekusaar deck, the best cards with it is Alhammret's Archive, Notion Theif, Geth's Grimoire, and Waste Not.
You can tell that Jeremy holds back sometimes (his attacking or effects of the monster). I still remember when they played that one competitive game when he was playing Thrasios/Tymna, He obliterated them quickly where they had to do a second round. :/
ashling seems so much fun to be honest, i normally go for blue or blue/green and almost never red, but the weird strategy and the amazing card design made me want to play that
Jeremy you play green all the time... how do you not know Krosan Grip is an instant? let everyone suffer the painful quandary or whatever and use it on stephens end step...
I realise this is a bit of a weird question, but does anyone know where I could get the shirt Stephen is wearing in this episode? Looks like something that would suit me, and it'd be a nice subtle nod.
Never actually realized that Wastes weren't printed with an actual "land type." That would be a super easy errata, though, and I can't imagine what it would actually hurt. Additionally, Wasteland should be errata'd to be a waste land type.
It is for flavour reasons. The wastes are product of the eldrazi devastation and therefore to foreign to find a type. Also balancing, since wastes are basic!
Bad rules all around. Zada mishaps were a given with Steven at the helm (no offense, but you have mentioned/shown a dislike of reading the cards), plus overblazed popped Ashling killed everyone.
You guys really need to have a judge in the room when you record these. Listening to all the discussion about the redirected galvanic punch made me cringe.
Jon should play emerakul group hug deck. You play the newer emerakul and the whole goal is to collaborate with who Evers turn you take. Seeing Jon play a group hug deck always makes me laugh. I wouldn’t mind Steven playing it either
Ashling would make fun decks for that two stage boss battle theme idea I gave you guys a couple videos ago... ;) reference: 2 decks, 2 version of the same card (ashling pilgrim, ashling extinguisher). can have lands of any color for both decks. when you reach 20 or less life, you go back up to 20 and change out commanders and decks, but keep everything else on the battlefield, and draw up to 7 cards).
Next year, for no-shave November, you should all do a joint fundraiser. Everyone shaves Nov. 1 then grows it for the month. It'll be like a competition! (that Jeremy will lose)
Jeremy should have killed that Ashling. In the single moment where he let John have first blood and keep his commander, the entire internet cried out in anguish.
Firstly zada can't copy gravity punch because it has two targets and second gravity punch has to target a creature YOU control, ricochet doesn't change that you will still have to target a creature you control which means John can only target his ashlin then the copy does the same in otherwords ricochet takes control of the spell as if you cast it and it's texts conditions would have to be met by your board
While your statement on Zada is correct, your statement on Wild Ricochet is not. You don't gain control of the spell when it says you may change the targets, so John still had to pick one of Stephen's creatures for the initial gravity punch target. The copy of it however is under John's control and would target Ashling.
Only thing I don't like about this episode is the Cedric Tokens as not a fan of his lately (I have my reasons). But all in all a good episode even with minor mistakes on Zada. Good job guys
Did I miss something? Why did Ashling go up by 2 counters each time? EDIT: Oh, the cost to activate the ability was -1 so each 2 red mana could activate it twice. OK. I did miss that.
Why do the other players hate on Justin so much? Jon is so cocky and Jeremy seems to have contempt for the entire table, don't get why Justin is always hated out?
Probably because Justin usually does nothing all game, then suddenly wins. Maybe they're tired of ganging up on Jeremy for the time being? I honestly don't know why they don't hate Jon out of the game more, though. He's the only person at the table that's actively trying to do things, is often the highest threat at any given moment, and talks down to them a lot. Not that any of these players are any good with how many mistakes they make every single game but Jon is certainly the most annoying one at the table.
@@ForeverLaxx if you watch them play elsewhere justin and stephen are both scary good players. Jeremy is great specifically with value decks from what I've seen. And jon is decent with a lot of decks but I've never seen him play at the level I've seen the other 3 play. Justin is by far the most strategic player which makes him the most dangerous. It makes sense that he is attacked first. And you cant say they are bad players because they dont know every ruling for every card. There are misplays in the featured matches of pro tours. Its part of magic
@@androsredwolf900 I think your definition of "scary good" must be a custom definition. While I'm aware that shows like this necessitate the desire to spread the damage in order to make the game as long as possible, the level of misplays just screams that they're average players at best or perhaps slightly above average when piloting decks they've used a million times. Stephen doesn't even read his cards so I refuse to believe he's much better than he lets on here. Justin tries to talk a lot of strategy, but most of what he says is of no bearing to what's going on and oftentimes just a bad assumption. Now, while I find this series entertaining, I'm not disillusioned about them as players. Yes, mistakes can happen even at the pro level which is why judges exist, but the number of mistakes that happen at this table every single game are so numerous that it can't just be simple chance. These are the kinds of mistakes people who don't read cards and assume half the rules make.
@@ForeverLaxx so what you are saying is that if you sit down at a kitchen table with friends and pick up a low power level deck you have never played before, all of the mistakes you make and how weak the deck is shows your actual skill at the game. Thats what you are saying about them. Justin even admits that they arent trying to play perfect here. Justin and stephen both have set decks they play. That meams they are used to knowing every card they play and dont need a great knowledge of fringe or unused cards (which they use a lot of cards on this show you wont see in any other commander game). Those two Ive seen play outside of this series plenty and they are far better than everyone thinks. I will admit my only experience seeing jon or jeremy play other than this show was when i attended an scg con. Jeremy was really fun to watch play. His personal decks are awesome and he is quite a bit more aggressive but also a lot more confident. Jon was better than he is here and made no misplays with his personal decks but i admit i wasnt impressed by him.
@@androsredwolf900 The power of the deck has nothing to do with the argument. Reading the card explains the card, and none of them want to read the card. Especially Stephen, the most egregious offender in this regard. Jeremy constantly misses triggers, so much so that it's a running joke at the table. I don't expect them to pick up on every line of play available because that takes a good amount of familiarity with the deck you're using but when simple plays are bungled so badly and so consistently, that tells me they don't bother to read more than half the card. I don't expect perfect play, but the amount of misplays is just absurd. Most of these stem from not understanding the card due to lack of willingness to read the thing.
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214 is the number of individual hydra heads
Didnt check your math, but thumbs up anyways just in case
Too lazy to check you so I'll trust you on it
It can’t possibly be that high I need proof lol! Break it down for me
"Zada’s ability triggers whenever you cast an instant or sorcery spell that targets only Zada and no other object or player."
I knew this would be here.
Galvanic Punt
@@MTGFreak- Gravitic*
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45:45 Gravitic Punch shouldn’t work because Zada isn’t the only target, it also targets a player.
172 is in fact a number, Steven.
Thank you so much for picking my deck! I am honored to have Jon pilot it so well.
Beard looks great, Jeremy. Really glad we got you to try it out! :D
Great Mortal Kombat edit at the end! Thanks for the great season. Enjoy the break and the holidays. Cheers! #teamgreen
Cool to see my deck played. Wish it could have lasted another turn. The deck really can draw a lot of cards and be quite explosive.
Selvala is a very powerful deck. Glad you took out the infinite combos as it is really fun to see it go off naturally. I personally love the hydra tribal build you went for.
Thanks for season 13, hope you guys have a great holiday. To bad I have to miss winter SCGCon... Hope to see you guys again in the summer. Great ending to this episode with the cut to Justin punching.
I loved this video! It was very fun and amusing, I'd love to see these decks and/or commanders again. Can't wait to catch up to the current season.
It's really tough to be in Team Justin... When he's leading, he's focused. When he's losing, he's focused. When he's about to win, he grabs the wrong card one card before the correct one (Wheel instead of Caress). :'(
Extraplanar Lense was definitely on the board before Jeremy k. gripped. It was the first opponent-spell cast after Justin cast quandry.
Great to see a Gwendlyn deck ! Love those Legends cards.
Pretty sure they all messed up the Zada triggers. Multiple times.
It's rigged duh
Eh they're having fun with it, it's not a major deal
The Locust God Multiple episodes.
i love the sound of hydra trible cause the first card that made me fall in love with magic was primordial hydra
Either you die a hero or live long enough to become bearded Jeremy
Nice to see another Gwendlyn deck out there.
Tutoring the Liliana's Caress. literally right behind the Wheel of Torture, would have won Justin the game.
@ 45:10 JOHN EVEN READ THE CARD!!! As a Zada player, this makes me angry - whoever built that deck should be ashamed.
Stephen you could have just given the ballista haste to ensure Jon doesn't get first blood lol, you were just greedy and wanted the guy in last to get the point :p
I like how Ashling's name is a pun on the Irish name Aisling. They are pronounced very similarly, and seeing as Lorwyn is based on folklore of the British Isles, it makes a lot of sense. My dog is named Aisling, but I went with the "U.S." spelling of "Ashlyn" so vets and caretakers would know how to say it.
I love Commander VS. Best RUclips Channel Everrr.
This was probably my favorite episode so far. I want to try making zada goblin tribal with fun effects like downhill charge and assault strobe.
Jeremy is the most passive commander player I have ever seen
Love how Jon announces Gravitic Punch has two targets and re-reads Zada yet still they play it wrong. Team Parnell should have brought home the W today!
just bought gwendlyn on your site! cant wait to make a commander deck with her good times... Human rogue shinannigans
I'm pretty sure redirect doesn't have the word cast on it...
Zada reads cast specifically, therefore jon shouldn't be able to copy the punch.
Aside from that zada on copies on creatures you control and you is its controller
Pretty sure he used wild ricochet, not redirect.
Redirect is blue, wild ricochet is red.
you guys are the best. Merry Christmas!
Jeremy's beard is coming in REALLY well.
Little did they know this SCG Con would be very special
Game starts at 14:20
Burning Inquiry is my most recommend card for any discard deck. In my Nekusaar deck, the best cards with it is Alhammret's Archive, Notion Theif, Geth's Grimoire, and Waste Not.
Fun episode, red deck things! Sad that the most impactful play does not work that way though xD
You can tell that Jeremy holds back sometimes (his attacking or effects of the monster). I still remember when they played that one competitive game when he was playing Thrasios/Tymna, He obliterated them quickly where they had to do a second round. :/
I have never been angrier about a video than when Justin made Stephen discard hanweir garrison
Great season as always guys. Have a happy holidays and happy new year ^_^
"Who would like to get attacked by my monkey?"
-Jonathan Suarez
ashling seems so much fun to be honest, i normally go for blue or blue/green and almost never red, but the weird strategy and the amazing card design made me want to play that
Where can I order custom token cards? I'd love to get some for my play group for Christmas!
Jeremy you play green all the time... how do you not know Krosan Grip is an instant? let everyone suffer the painful quandary or whatever and use it on stephens end step...
How could you not have windfall in your discard deck Justin? Was it like themed to have no wheels?
Although, that was a great ending lol
Will the deck lists be posted?
The gravanic punch is not copied by zada it has 2 targets.
We know
Jeremy's Commander is in play. Hey, everyone....
Edit: They got it!
i wish i could have gone to scg because i have 7 commander decks would have loved to see any of you play one of them
If i didnt have finals next week, I'd love to go to scgcon
Last few secons of the video - the best clip of all season.
Liu Kang starts at 1:02:22 , continues at 1:13:13
I realise this is a bit of a weird question, but does anyone know where I could get the shirt Stephen is wearing in this episode? Looks like something that would suit me, and it'd be a nice subtle nod.
Gravatic punch has 2 targets...so surely Zada wouldnt trigger?
Never actually realized that Wastes weren't printed with an actual "land type."
That would be a super easy errata, though, and I can't imagine what it would actually hurt.
Additionally, Wasteland should be errata'd to be a waste land type.
It is for flavour reasons. The wastes are product of the eldrazi devastation and therefore to foreign to find a type. Also balancing, since wastes are basic!
Commander choices i really like. Also last time seeing bearded Jeremy.....next season will be less black and red with Jeremy and aggressive
would love to get ya'll to play one of my casual decks fun episode as always finally seeing a wild ricochet actually be useful.
Bad rules all around. Zada mishaps were a given with Steven at the helm (no offense, but you have mentioned/shown a dislike of reading the cards), plus overblazed popped Ashling killed everyone.
What an unexpected end to the game! Good job guys! 😀
Currently working on building and testing a deck specifically for justin in next seasons finale
You guys really need to have a judge in the room when you record these. Listening to all the discussion about the redirected galvanic punch made me cringe.
It absolutely blows my mind that these guys have such a hard time keeping track of each other's life totals.
I got 115 on the Hydra Head Count. Lowest amount of heads is 4 with the most being 11 and the grand average being 7 per Hydra.
Cant wait for season 163, it's been confirmed.
THAT BLOOPER AT THE END OF THE EPISODE XDDD
Jon should play emerakul group hug deck. You play the newer emerakul and the whole goal is to collaborate with who Evers turn you take. Seeing Jon play a group hug deck always makes me laugh. I wouldn’t mind Steven playing it either
Ashling would make fun decks for that two stage boss battle theme idea I gave you guys a couple videos ago... ;)
reference: 2 decks, 2 version of the same card (ashling pilgrim, ashling extinguisher). can have lands of any color for both decks. when you reach 20 or less life, you go back up to 20 and change out commanders and decks, but keep everything else on the battlefield, and draw up to 7 cards).
Have fun at scgcon
When does season 14 start?
I wanna see one of the guys play a deck that uses Myr Creatures if they havent already done that
Whoop all gold season 13!
GWENDLYN. YES. MY DREAMS HAVE COME TRUE.
Next year, for no-shave November, you should all do a joint fundraiser. Everyone shaves Nov. 1 then grows it for the month. It'll be like a competition!
(that Jeremy will lose)
when justin got wheel of torture off demonic tutor couldn't he have gotten angrath for lethal on steven and john there?
the number is 121 hydra heads
What allowed Maze of Ith to tap for mana when he cast Liliana?
@@melliott-ey2ul ah, didn't catch that
I certainly hope they have a live judge there for the SCGCon game. They need it with how bad they are with rules.
14:17 is game start.
Painful Quandary is my absolute favorite card.
Ps. Thank you so much for the content guys. Love it.
I wish I could be at #scgcon2018 . Hope everyone has fun!
Why does Stephen constantly get big board affects simply by not understanding his cards?
Bearded Jeremy is fly AF!!...you look like a former boy band member!!
Wouldn't Ashling kill everyone since it was a target of overblaze?
3 counters plus 3 counters made 6 counters then 6 damage became 12 damage. Math checks out lol
Gravitic punch targets the player so it doesn't target only zada so no copying
So john says the gravitic punch resolves, then he wild ricochets? Odd.
Jeremy should have killed that Ashling. In the single moment where he let John have first blood and keep his commander, the entire internet cried out in anguish.
Binged ✔
Didnt justin have effects that cause life loss when an opponent discards? That mean jeremy died to justin not Stephen
Second big rules bluff this season lol and in the finale aswell!
argh you messed up Zada triggers :'(
All hail king Jonathan Suarez!
That ending was so satisfying.
Goblin rabblemaster requires all goblins to attack if able Steven!!!
Firstly zada can't copy gravity punch because it has two targets and second gravity punch has to target a creature YOU control, ricochet doesn't change that you will still have to target a creature you control which means John can only target his ashlin then the copy does the same in otherwords ricochet takes control of the spell as if you cast it and it's texts conditions would have to be met by your board
While your statement on Zada is correct, your statement on Wild Ricochet is not. You don't gain control of the spell when it says you may change the targets, so John still had to pick one of Stephen's creatures for the initial gravity punch target. The copy of it however is under John's control and would target Ashling.
@@anevilmurk4186 oh OK my understanding of ricochet was that he takes controls the original spell then copies it thnks for pointing that out
@@shaunhealing1479 No problem, happy to help.
Who knew such a simple little gor common could cause such a ruckus
Pretty sure the hydras collectively have at least one head
Justin you would have won with arngoth the flame chained +1 ability you past it early in your search
Everytime I wanna see a commander I'm interested in.....Jeremy does nothing with it and than dies first 😅
Only thing I don't like about this episode is the Cedric Tokens as not a fan of his lately (I have my reasons). But all in all a good episode even with minor mistakes on Zada. Good job guys
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Why was everyone going after Jeremy? That was the only deck I wanted to see run.
Did I miss something? Why did Ashling go up by 2 counters each time?
EDIT: Oh, the cost to activate the ability was -1 so each 2 red mana could activate it twice. OK. I did miss that.
Why do the other players hate on Justin so much? Jon is so cocky and Jeremy seems to have contempt for the entire table, don't get why Justin is always hated out?
Probably because Justin usually does nothing all game, then suddenly wins. Maybe they're tired of ganging up on Jeremy for the time being? I honestly don't know why they don't hate Jon out of the game more, though. He's the only person at the table that's actively trying to do things, is often the highest threat at any given moment, and talks down to them a lot. Not that any of these players are any good with how many mistakes they make every single game but Jon is certainly the most annoying one at the table.
@@ForeverLaxx if you watch them play elsewhere justin and stephen are both scary good players. Jeremy is great specifically with value decks from what I've seen. And jon is decent with a lot of decks but I've never seen him play at the level I've seen the other 3 play. Justin is by far the most strategic player which makes him the most dangerous. It makes sense that he is attacked first. And you cant say they are bad players because they dont know every ruling for every card. There are misplays in the featured matches of pro tours. Its part of magic
@@androsredwolf900
I think your definition of "scary good" must be a custom definition. While I'm aware that shows like this necessitate the desire to spread the damage in order to make the game as long as possible, the level of misplays just screams that they're average players at best or perhaps slightly above average when piloting decks they've used a million times. Stephen doesn't even read his cards so I refuse to believe he's much better than he lets on here. Justin tries to talk a lot of strategy, but most of what he says is of no bearing to what's going on and oftentimes just a bad assumption.
Now, while I find this series entertaining, I'm not disillusioned about them as players. Yes, mistakes can happen even at the pro level which is why judges exist, but the number of mistakes that happen at this table every single game are so numerous that it can't just be simple chance. These are the kinds of mistakes people who don't read cards and assume half the rules make.
@@ForeverLaxx so what you are saying is that if you sit down at a kitchen table with friends and pick up a low power level deck you have never played before, all of the mistakes you make and how weak the deck is shows your actual skill at the game. Thats what you are saying about them. Justin even admits that they arent trying to play perfect here. Justin and stephen both have set decks they play. That meams they are used to knowing every card they play and dont need a great knowledge of fringe or unused cards (which they use a lot of cards on this show you wont see in any other commander game). Those two Ive seen play outside of this series plenty and they are far better than everyone thinks. I will admit my only experience seeing jon or jeremy play other than this show was when i attended an scg con. Jeremy was really fun to watch play. His personal decks are awesome and he is quite a bit more aggressive but also a lot more confident. Jon was better than he is here and made no misplays with his personal decks but i admit i wasnt impressed by him.
@@androsredwolf900
The power of the deck has nothing to do with the argument. Reading the card explains the card, and none of them want to read the card. Especially Stephen, the most egregious offender in this regard. Jeremy constantly misses triggers, so much so that it's a running joke at the table. I don't expect them to pick up on every line of play available because that takes a good amount of familiarity with the deck you're using but when simple plays are bungled so badly and so consistently, that tells me they don't bother to read more than half the card.
I don't expect perfect play, but the amount of misplays is just absurd. Most of these stem from not understanding the card due to lack of willingness to read the thing.
The ending this week is spicy