I’ve been to the Negro Baseball HOF in Kansas City. Really cool place. Made me want to cry. I would’ve loved to see these incredible players/athletes like Josh be remembered and reap the rewards of an incredible MLB career.
I've wanted to do a tour of it but every time I drive across the country it's always at night or the day it is closed. It's on my bucket list of things I would love to see before I die.
For those commentaries dismissing Josh Gibson's value due to unreliable record keeping during his Negro League career, consider this: Hall Of Fame players Hank Aaron, Willie Mays, Roberto Clemente, Cal Ripken Jr, Tony Gwynn, Wade Boggs, Frank Robinson, Edgar Martínez, Reggie Jackson, Tany Pérez, Eddie Murray, Rickey Henderson, Johnny Bench, Orlando Cepeda, Mike Schmidt, Roberto Alomar, Monte Irvin, Gary Carter, Robin Yount, Willard Brown, Iván Rodríguez and many others played in the Puerto Rico Winter Baseball League. Do you know who holds the highest batting average in the history of the league ? Josh Gibson, .480. Duly documented. How about that ?
Bob fellers 98 mph fashfall& curve vs josh gibson ; carl hubbell super great screwball vs josh gibson ; bob feller & josh gibson put a hole in josh gilson bat
Lefty gomez& lefty Grove would've ❤️ pitching & putting a hole 🕳 in josh Gibson bat, Cleveland Alexander would've ❤️ pitching to josh Gibson& leave josh Gibson dizzy at the 🍽 plate , laugh, laugh
My father played against Josh Gibson and Satchel Paige when they were barnstorming in Butler Pennsylvania. He said Gibson walked up to him, handed him a ton of cash, and said "Hey kid, go buy me 18 hot dogs." I never even knew about this until I asked him one day who is the fastest pitcher he ever faced. He said Satchel Paige. He said he ever even saw the fastball and his big hitting goal that day was to just get out there alive.
This is apart of my history, I’m only 24 but my dads side of the family was originated in South Carolina and came to Pittsburgh also in the migration. I’ve lived in Pittsburgh Kansas City and now Georgia which are all rich in history and I love.
My Father told me about the Negro League ,and Josh Gibson and he told me he was the best hitting catcher for power of all time ,no one black white ,red of green or yellow was ever close to Jose Gibson .
I never knew about this man until watching the jacky Robinson movie. One picture of him looks like it was taken yesterday like he was ahead of his time. He also looked sad/broken. It’s so sad to think this poor guy wasn’t able to be a major league player because the color of his skin. Rip
Wish Josh gilbson would've hit against Josh Gilson nightmare ;; Bob feller bullet 98mph plus & great curve would've put in a 🕳 hole in Josh gilbson bat
Dec.21st: Happy birthday Negro League Baseball's Joshua "Josh" Gibson / The Black Babe Ruth (1911-1947) 359 Batting average, 800-1,000 HRs, 2 x Negro League World Series Champion, 12 x All Star...beautifully portrayed by Mykelti Williamson in the movie "Soul of the Game." Thank you and God bless. RIP Legend. Thanks for the upload, Same Passage. Blessings
@@charleswilliams8248 I agree, no disrespect meant, albeit, many did refer to him when making comparison to two great players; at a time when Black players were not allowed to, afforded the opportunity to play in the majors; when they (Black players) were even mentioned, recognized it was that way. The other side of the coin, and (maybe it's jus' me) but think of how many White players then might be flattered being compared to Satchel Paige, Josh Gibson, Cool Papa Bell, just to name a few...they (White players) might not own it, but they knew. Thank you for your reply, Mr. Williams. Blessings...
Josh is probably a top 5-10 all-time catcher. You must remember that a lot of their games occurred with sub-standard pitching and players (certainly not all). There is no way to know what his numbers would have looked like in the MLB, however I suspect he would have been better than 90% of MLB players in his prime.
There are several reasons I think Judge Landis was actually bad for baseball but the number one reason is he personally refused to allow any black or even dark skinned Hispanics in major league baseball & deprived many talented players from competing on the biggest stage. Gibson was one of many overly qualified men that couldn't play just because of they're skin .
You're another know-nothing, know-it-all. Landis had nothing to do with the ban on black players and there isn't a single shred of evidence that he did. Not one. It's just sloppy, lazy people like you who can't wait to label a dead white man a racist. The ban on black players was implemented many years before Landis became commissioner. He died in 1945. At the first owners meeting after Rickey signed Robinson the other 15 owners voted on the issue: 14-0 against with one abstention. And, the end of the 1950 season only 5 of the 16 teams had signed black players
I would have liked to seen him play ya know no matter black white yellow or pink or red u always gotta give credit where credit is due and this man was a hero as well as one of the best that they ever was. I would have given anything to see josh pay ball.. Love baseball...
Using the same logic that some use against the great "white" players, sorry, Josh only played against HALF the population. He never had to face the best of the Major Leagues so how could he be the "greatest?"
You start out making a logical statement then you lose it by letting your emotions rule you. Yes, the obvious restrictions against allowing black players into the major leagues was made by bigoted white men. Oh, wow! Alert the media. Yes, they were of course afraid to be shown up by black players who could really play. Anyone who is bigoted is frightened. They are pathetic. Scared. Cowards. Nothing new here. Then you make the leap to "Josh Gibson would hae destroyed the pitchers in the majors...." Oh, really? What is your evidence? You have none, as he never faced any. (a sad fact). "As far as I'm concerned," is a statement that means, proves, demonstrates NOTHING. If you have evidence produce it. None of this has anything to do with my original point. One criticism always hurled against white players of the time is that, "we don't really know how great they were, because they never played against the black teams." Well, if that makes sense (which I believe it doesn't) then the same logic would apply to the black players who never proved their mettle against the white teams. Personally, of course, there were many black players who would have excelled in ANY league. Do I have proof of that? Not really. I have only to go by what those (both black and white) were there and saw them play. It seems obvious that Satchel Paige would have dominated any league, for example. But don't just throw out a statement about Josh Gibson, as great as he was, (Oscar Charleston was better, IMO) "destroying" anything. It just sounds silly and you have no proof.
LazlosPlane It's very logical and my emotions didn't get the best of me , I spoke that way because what reason does anyone have to keep people of color from doing anything . You wouldn't understand that.
We are obviously speaking different languages here because you completely are off the point. And do not judge me. You are not superior in understanding. You have not understood anything I have written.
LazlosPlane The only language I am speaking is the truth , it's not hard to understand , it's just that you don't want to . I am not judging anyone and it is you that comes off as being superior in understanding which is why I first commented to you . You came down on a guy that said Gibson was the greatest with your well he only played half ( meaning the black half ) . I just made sure you realized white racism kept these men out of the majors . These great black players deserve the same respect as great white players who had a easy path to the majors . Nothing i said was off topic . Just don't shoot down our heros with condescending comments over situations that were out of their control for them to legitimize their greatness in the game of baseball .
Babe ruth, ty cobb, lou gehrig, roger Hornsby was God gift to hitting, josh gilbson vs Bob feller fastball 98mph 4, Carl Hubbell crewball vs Josh gibson
Not really ruth is still the all time home run king 714 at about 8500 times at bat. He pitched for 6 years hank Aaron took 12000 times at bat to break the record. Did he break the record no..
@@kennmiller3278 And the best pitcher the Toledo Fire Department All Stars could find. How about the Ebenezer Baptist team out of Joplin, MO, who pitched for them? Josh lit him up.
Of all the old school players in either league, Josh Gibson and Satchel Page could absolutely play well today. Satchel was like Justin Verlander on the mound. Gibson averaged 50+ HR per 162 games played. He had seasons where his HR average was 1 every 2 games.
@@1lover633 no because I hate to say this but everyone loved satchel and Jackie people have short memorys think about all the "lost footage" that's been found there would be a lot more if the film wasn't flammable
Ruth batted 524 against the very best of black pitchers. Paign was quote that ruth was the hardest player to get out. Ruth was a left handed catcher then became a pitcher and the outfield. He was capable of playing all positions. Ruth was an advocate for black players.
@@lloydkline7245 We will never know because owners who were cowards and players afraid of talent that would over shadow them. That is a fact. He was a legend who died of a broken heart.
@@caseywalker1714 it was a different time period white fans wanted to see all white baseball teams too, it like the all white nba and Harlem gobbaltrotter i love to read articles about the first two games when they finally met, baseball had to let black players in because of new money in the 1940s , when the Harlem gobbaltrotter beat the Minneapolis Lakers very close games the first two games they played
@@lloydkline7245 So your telling me that black money or people with an influx of new money & their desire to see black ball players is the reason they broke in... If so do a little be of historical research on an American history. Please not the watered down version you get in these fake text books just go look, hunt, dig for some truth yourself.
The gambler in me says that Clemens would strike him out 9 times out of 10. The gambler in me says that Bonds beats Gibson in home run derby, the 40 yard dash and every other aspect of the game. Thanks for uploading. It was a good bio doc.
What bugs me is this: MLB has kept meticulous records of the history of this game since it's beginning. Yet, no long term or credible records were ever truly kept of the Negro Leagues, barnstorming leagues, etc. Now maybe some could say "well, they were racist & didn't care." To them I say this: How the fuck did they know so much about Negro players when they started 'allowing' them into MLB? Yes, I would like proof, not legends or stories, hard proof like recorded statistics. HOWEVER, to discount the credibility &/or talent of men like Gibson/Paige/Bell is pure crap. They obviously did some of the things they did because it made the "white" papers all the time. I think they do, or did, have the records of some of these players at one time. It's time MLB launched an ACTUAL investigation to finally put this to rest. Because there is NO reason to not believe Gibson hit 800 HR.
@@davidgerald133 I hear what you're saying, they wouldn't have. But 'Negro' papers and sports writers were at the games, had box scores, etc, there's gotta be records somewhere that someone has. I'm just saying they now recognize these leagues stats as "professional" according to the HoF. What bugs me is they know that despite this, because I believe no true investigation has been done, the stats are not entirely accurate/full. Because of this, their precious MLB records are intact. Sorry I went on a rant there, I just figure, we have the WHA (hockey) stats in the NHL record books, the old ABA (basketball) stats are available in full. I say MLB needs to step up & Do the digging needed to give those players who never were apart of the Show the true status they deserve, statistically.
@@jimdraven2432 i agree with you the problem is even the box scores where wrong back then and yes the aba and nhl kept records which is wonderful i think the mlb will work on this i hear there even trying to get the records from Cuba from all the mlb games played there
@Angry Grizzly Babe didn’t play against top tier athletes, Satchel Paige was the greatest ever! Even the white Hall Of fame players say Satchel was the best. Hank Aaron for sure broke his record and even he said Babe Ruth threatened him saying he would kill him if he broke his record...We (Blacks) dominate in everything! White Fragility knows Blacks are the Superior Athletes, u know it as well lol. Josh Gibson was way better than Babe Ruth that’s why they couldn’t let him in the big leagues, they knew what was up.💯💯💯💯🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣✌🏿✌🏿✌🏿✌🏿✌🏿
@Angry Grizzly And speaking of high school and minor leaguers...if you watched the documentary u would see that white baseball historians even said Negro League Baseball was a Pro League & That the only reason they played in those conditions were cause of Jim Crow Laws, The MLB even acknowledged this Year The Negro League was a Pro League.LOOK IT UP! But You Know Damn Well If Integration were allowed then, Babe Ruth Wouldn't Be Shit. Josh Gibson had over 2,000 home runs said by Satchel Paige they didn't take record of it until late. So your statement is discredited but you have a White Supremacists agenda to keep up so I know you would never admit it, But The Historians Did.💯📚⚾
@@angelsynn6615 And Ruth first demonstrated his greatness on the mound. The Babe was a two-time 20-game winner and had more wins in ever single season he pitched than Bonds, Gibson, Mays, and Aaron had in their careers combined.
McQuiggles- He Played In High School Stadiums With 250 Foot CF Fences,Batting Off Of Primarily Minor League Pitchers.Maybe He Is The Best Negro Leagues Player,But Hardly The Best Player.He Did Not Prove Hisself In Major League Ballparks In Major League Stadiums.Give Him Props For Best Negro League,But That's It.
I will say it AGAIN for those who didn't see it the 1st time....GREATEST player ANY LEAGUE!!! Josh Gibson!!! And Oscar Charleston is standing right beside Josh!!
LMAO where did you get that info from the storm front times???? You are amusing though keep the hypocrisy coming. You know good n dam well if Josh and the other players played on the same stage as Ruth and Gehrig Barry Bonds would STILL be chasing Josh Gibson's record. You need to learn more about both histories and not just the HIStory that fits your narrative. Good try...LOL
Sorry but Josh did not pitch and yes ruth played left handed catcher before he became a pro. There is a photo of ruth in catcher outfit at his school. He was able to play any position. That's a fact not hearsay.
Bill Jenkinson has documented 16 exhibition games in which Ruth played against black pitchers. He also mentions 3 other games for which there isn't any contemporary primary sources. Below is a summary of how he performed in the documented games per Jenkinson: AB - 55 1B - 11 2B - 2 3B - 0 HR - 12 BA - .455 SA - 1.145 This includes his 3 jacks in one game off "Cannonball" Dick Redding in 1927. Before I read his book I had independently collected many of the same games and a few others from ProQuest, and John Holway's book. The sample size isn't large but he his rate stats against black pitchers is much better than the best hitting stats of the best black players of the time in Negro League play. *Note that Jenkinson gives Ruth credit for two homers that were ruled ground rule doubles. In an exhibition game in 1926, Ruth crushed two balls that would have been homers in any major league park. The game was played at a field with a short right field fence so any ball hit over the fence, regardless of the distance, was ruled a ground rule double. Technically he hit .455 with 10 homers 4 doubles and a 1.073 slugging average.
T. Rex I stated facts sir. Deal with that. The first 15 years after integration the major leagues were dominated by former Negro Leagues players. Willie Mays, Hank Aaron, Frank Robinson, Ernie Banks, Roy Campanella, Larry Doby. Sorry sir but I know my baseball. My dad played minor league baseball
Just got his jersey. Best baseball player in Pittsburgh history, but Roberto Clemente is a close 2nd. Two men who gave everything they had to baseball.
They didn't have to join the MLB matter of fact MLB was so concerned about the rising and popularity of the Negro League they started to pay attention to the number of whites in attendance according to players such as Buck O'neil,Satchel Paige,Jackie Robinsson,all memberes of the Kansas City Royals they signed a veteran cuban by the name of Jose Mendez to mange the club they would travel1st class stayed in the best hotels and ate at the best restaurants black owned
It would have been just the opposite cuz all those better pictures would have been in major leagues Hilton Smith Satchel Paige Smokey Joe Williams Cannonball Redding you want me to go on
@@latouselatrec As I noted in a prior comment, Ruth never had any problem with Negro League pitching. In exhibition games his record was 55 ABs, 12 home runs and a B.Ave of .455. He hit three home runs in one of these games (Ibelieve off of Dick Redding). He also faced Satchel Paige in a one-on-one exhibition late in his career. The results: one strike out and one 500 foot home run.
the jeloues prople cuts hard in their hearts like poison you should be ashame of that hate and you say you love you dont know how to love onley hate thats called a hipocrate
Best player to play baseball 1000 homerun Josh had more home run than Babes Ruth And Hank Aaron Josh had more than 800 home run do ur homework there lying
@@daddyeyez740 hes wrong but so are you. With all due respect mr. Gibson did not have a documented 84 home runs. And many of those so claimed documented home runs were against substandard teams
@@latouselatrec The Negro Leagues were not substandard at all. Prior to Jackie Robinson, Barry bonds, Frank Thomas, Bob Gibson, Willie Mays, CC Sabathia and many more greats would've been Negro Leaguers. Joe DiMaggio called Satchel Paige the greatest pitcher that he ever faced.
A shame to hear that so many of these incredible players are either forgotten or not remembered at all. That's just how racist whitey wanted it. Superior athletes pushed into obscurity before finally given their chance. Had it not been for Branch Rickey and Jackie Robinson integration might have been pushed into the 1960s and longer. Gibson is probably the greatest player that ever lived. By consensus those that witnessed him say he was a greater hitter than Ted Williams, Hank Aaron or Willie May's! The conditions black players toiled under made their accomplishments even greater. Constant travel under harassment by law enforcement. If you could call it that! Unable to use restaurants, rest rooms or in some cases even to bathe. Black pitchers doctored the baseball with everything but engine oil. As the great Roy Campanella observed, " I never knew what the ball would do next." Learning to play under conditions no white player could imagine. This is what Josh Gibson and these fabulous athletes faced. Even after integration. That renders what these men did all the more remarkable. And why Josh Gibson is probably the greatest player that ever lived.
"Chester Battle 3 years ago He actually finished with 969 career homers. And a homerun is a homerun whether it was good pitcher or bad. I am sure Babe Ruth faced some terrible pitchers during his career. And when Ruth played some of the fields did not have fences so the ball was hit far and continued to roll while the outfielder chased it down." Babe Ruth must of actually finished with 1500 career homers.
I don't believe there are many players who would have thrived regardless of the area they were born in. Josh gibson I think is one. He would have dominated in literally any Era, going up against any picther
i feel the end guy is a product of his era. ofc they chose baseball over working in the fields, or factories etc. Who wants to bust their ass day after day? Mind you especialy then and up north as this video stated. Anyone could get job, home. and not be in massive debt doing it. to the banks all money was green.
Damn. He died RIGHT before Jackie Robinson broke the color barrier. He averaged 47 HR per 162 games. The pitching probably wasn't as good as MLB, but still. He mashed.
@@davidwindsor798 There is a lot of WHITE history that can be proven. There is a lot of black history that has been eliminated or buried. Of course you have an argument when the white media back then glorified their heroes and downplayed probably the "Michael Jordan" of that time in baseball.
I have a firm belief that Josh should've been the one who played for the Dodgers, and not Jackie Robinson. Mr. Gibson was better then the rest!!! RIP 🙏
BULLSHIT !! Those SUPPOSED 800 HOMERS included Carribean league games AND Barnstorming games . He WAS GREAT but 800 homers IN THE NEGRO LEAGUES IS COMPLETE BALONEY !!
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I’ve been to the Negro Baseball HOF in Kansas City. Really cool place. Made me want to cry. I would’ve loved to see these incredible players/athletes like Josh be remembered and reap the rewards of an incredible MLB career.
I got to check out that place
They opened the door for a lot of African American players
I've wanted to do a tour of it but every time I drive across the country it's always at night or the day it is closed. It's on my bucket list of things I would love to see before I die.
Definitely going there before I leave here
Bob feller 98mph fastball vs josh gibson
For those commentaries dismissing Josh Gibson's value due to unreliable record keeping during his Negro League career, consider this: Hall Of Fame players Hank Aaron, Willie Mays, Roberto Clemente, Cal Ripken Jr, Tony Gwynn, Wade Boggs, Frank Robinson, Edgar Martínez, Reggie Jackson, Tany Pérez, Eddie Murray, Rickey Henderson, Johnny Bench, Orlando Cepeda, Mike Schmidt, Roberto Alomar, Monte Irvin, Gary Carter, Robin Yount, Willard Brown, Iván Rodríguez and many others played in the Puerto Rico Winter Baseball League. Do you know who holds the highest batting average in the history of the league ?
Josh Gibson, .480. Duly documented. How about that ?
Bob fellers 98 mph fashfall& curve vs josh gibson ; carl hubbell super great screwball vs josh gibson ; bob feller & josh gibson put a hole in josh gilson bat
@@lloydkline1518 Imagine those matches, legends stuff !!!
@@lloydkline1518 speak english
He's the affirmative action GOAT.
Look out Jack Nicklaus, you're about to lose 4 majors.
Lefty gomez& lefty Grove would've ❤️ pitching & putting a hole 🕳 in josh Gibson bat, Cleveland Alexander would've ❤️ pitching to josh Gibson& leave josh Gibson dizzy at the 🍽 plate , laugh, laugh
My father played against Josh Gibson and Satchel Paige when they were barnstorming in Butler Pennsylvania. He said Gibson walked up to him, handed him a ton of cash, and said "Hey kid, go buy me 18 hot dogs." I never even knew about this until I asked him one day who is the fastest pitcher he ever faced. He said Satchel Paige. He said he ever even saw the fastball and his big hitting goal that day was to just get out there alive.
Faster than Bob feller98mph fastball & curve : Bob feller98mph fastball would've put a hole in Josh gilbson bat
Bullshit
This is apart of my history, I’m only 24 but my dads side of the family was originated in South Carolina and came to Pittsburgh also in the migration. I’ve lived in Pittsburgh Kansas City and now Georgia which are all rich in history and I love.
My Father told me about the Negro League ,and Josh Gibson and he told me he was the best hitting catcher for power of all time ,no one black white ,red of green or yellow was ever close to Jose Gibson .
Still heartbreaking he died before the color barrier was broken in baseball
I never knew about this man until watching the jacky Robinson movie. One picture of him looks like it was taken yesterday like he was ahead of his time. He also looked sad/broken. It’s so sad to think this poor guy wasn’t able to be a major league player because the color of his skin. Rip
True not being able to play in the majors broke him damn he was a great one 92 home runs
Wish Josh gilbson would've hit against Josh Gilson nightmare ;; Bob feller bullet 98mph plus & great curve would've put in a 🕳 hole in Josh gilbson bat
Said he died just 3 months after Jackie Robinson broke the color barrier
Dec.21st: Happy birthday Negro League Baseball's Joshua "Josh" Gibson / The Black Babe Ruth (1911-1947) 359 Batting average, 800-1,000 HRs, 2 x Negro League World Series Champion, 12 x All Star...beautifully portrayed by Mykelti Williamson in the movie "Soul of the Game." Thank you and God bless. RIP Legend. Thanks for the upload, Same Passage. Blessings
Need to see that movie #salute
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No not the black Babe Ruth! He was uniquely qualified to be himself!
@@charleswilliams8248 I agree, no disrespect meant, albeit, many did refer to him when making comparison to two great players; at a time when Black players were not allowed to, afforded the opportunity to play in the majors; when they (Black players) were even mentioned, recognized it was that way. The other side of the coin, and (maybe it's jus' me) but think of how many White players then might be flattered being compared to Satchel Paige, Josh Gibson, Cool Papa Bell, just to name a few...they (White players) might not own it, but they knew. Thank you for your reply, Mr. Williams. Blessings...
@@charleswilliams8248
Black Babe Ruth.
Black Babe Ruth.
Black Babe Ruth.
Black Babe Ruth.
Black Babe Ruth.
Babe Ruth was the white Josh Gibson
Eric Johnson facts
Lol n1
Eric Johnson- You Must Be Delusional.
Naw. Babe Ruth was Babe Ruth. Josh Gibson was Josh Gibson
We will never know.
The only player to ever hit a fair ball out of Yankee Stadium.
Fax
Even Gibson said it never happened.
Not only did Gibson hit the ball out of Yankee Stadium, but he hit the ball out of the Bronx!
Not only that, Josh Gibson could fly. 😅
@mikegrebe536 Josh could literally fly like a bird. In fact, Josh once flew out of Yankee Stadium after he hit a ball out of the stadium.
Certainly the greatest catcher of all time.
Wow!?!?! Numbers dont lie & he just doesn't have the numbers to back it up. Just in case, you can find numbers from Japanese players.
No
Johnny bench, bat with power, arm like a cannon, etc etc
No Robert, Mickey Cochrane is.
Josh is probably a top 5-10 all-time catcher. You must remember that a lot of their games occurred with sub-standard pitching and players (certainly not all). There is no way to know what his numbers would have looked like in the MLB, however I suspect he would have been better than 90% of MLB players in his prime.
One of the Greatest ballplayer that ever played the game, rather Negro League or MLB.
There are several reasons I think Judge Landis was actually bad for baseball but the number one reason is he personally refused to allow any black or even dark skinned Hispanics in major league baseball & deprived many talented players from competing on the biggest stage. Gibson was one of many overly qualified men that couldn't play just because of they're skin .
Their wasn't that many Latinos playing back then
@@Shel230 they had to be fair skinned with anglo saxon facial features
@@melbea03 yes I know but still there wasn't any Latinos playing in the MLB back then
You're another know-nothing, know-it-all. Landis had nothing to do with the ban on black players and there isn't a single shred of evidence that he did. Not one. It's just sloppy, lazy people like you who can't wait to label a dead white man a racist. The ban on black players was implemented many years before Landis became commissioner. He died in 1945. At the first owners meeting after Rickey signed Robinson the other 15 owners voted on the issue: 14-0 against with one abstention. And, the end of the 1950 season only 5 of the 16 teams had signed black players
Not The " Black Babe Ruth " He is The Great Joshua Gibson!
I agree, thanks for watching
So happy I found this video after the mlb announcement
Thank you, glad to have found it
5 days before his Birthday 🥳
I would have liked to seen him play ya know no matter black white yellow or pink or red u always gotta give credit where credit is due and this man was a hero as well as one of the best that they ever was. I would have given anything to see josh pay ball.. Love baseball...
I'm sick of hearing about Gibson's fake stats, long live "The Babe"
Like josh gibson hit a homerun out of yankee stadium, babe ruth would have told josh gibson homerun derby contest ,, any time josh gibson
Greatest hitter Josh Gibson Greatest pitcher Satchel Paige IN ANY LEAGUE!!!
Thomas Booker okaaaaaaaaaay 😂
Heck yea
Walter Johnson was a helluva pitcher and Mays/Aaron are up there though.
Nope
Unfortunately, we’ll never know what might have been
THE GREATEST EVEN IN ANY LEAGUE!!
Using the same logic that some use against the great "white" players, sorry, Josh only played against HALF the population. He never had to face the best of the Major Leagues so how could he be the "greatest?"
You start out making a logical statement then you lose it by letting your emotions rule you. Yes, the obvious restrictions against allowing black players into the major leagues was made by bigoted white men. Oh, wow! Alert the media. Yes, they were of course afraid to be shown up by black players who could really play. Anyone who is bigoted is frightened. They are pathetic. Scared. Cowards.
Nothing new here.
Then you make the leap to "Josh Gibson would hae destroyed the pitchers in the majors...." Oh, really? What is your evidence? You have none, as he never faced any. (a sad fact).
"As far as I'm concerned," is a statement that means, proves, demonstrates NOTHING. If you have evidence produce it.
None of this has anything to do with my original point. One criticism always hurled against white players of the time is that, "we don't really know how great they were, because they never played against the black teams." Well, if that makes sense (which I believe it doesn't) then the same logic would apply to the black players who never proved their mettle against the white teams.
Personally, of course, there were many black players who would have excelled in ANY league. Do I have proof of that? Not really. I have only to go by what those (both black and white) were there and saw them play. It seems obvious that Satchel Paige would have dominated any league, for example. But don't just throw out a statement about Josh Gibson, as great as he was, (Oscar Charleston was better, IMO) "destroying" anything. It just sounds silly and you have no proof.
LazlosPlane It's very logical and my emotions didn't get the best of me , I spoke that way because what reason does anyone have to keep people of color from doing anything . You wouldn't understand that.
We are obviously speaking different languages here because you completely are off the point. And do not judge me. You are not superior in understanding. You have not understood anything I have written.
LazlosPlane The only language I am speaking is the truth , it's not hard to understand , it's just that you don't want to . I am not judging anyone and it is you that comes off as being superior in understanding which is why I first commented to you . You came down on a guy that said Gibson was the greatest with your well he only played half ( meaning the black half ) . I just made sure you realized white racism kept these men out of the majors . These great black players deserve the same respect as great white players who had a easy path to the majors . Nothing i said was off topic . Just don't shoot down our heros with condescending comments over situations that were out of their control for them to legitimize their greatness in the game of baseball .
When I was 17 I met an older man who had been a groundskeeper at Forbes field in Pittsburgh he talked about the long home runs Josh Gibson hit
Josh gibson is officially the batting average leader in baseball ⚾️ history.rip Legend
Josh was God's gift to baseball.
It's a darn shame all those great Players missed your calling because of the color of your skin in the could not do anything about it
Babe ruth, ty cobb, lou gehrig, roger Hornsby was God gift to hitting, josh gilbson vs Bob feller fastball 98mph 4, Carl Hubbell crewball vs Josh gibson
@@lloydkline6946 they never hit the ball as far as Josh. Learn some history.
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Home runs against Goober Pyle don't count, frankie.
Babe ruth ; bob feller 98 plus mph fastball & curveball vs josh gibson.: three strikeout : carl hubbel screwball ball vs josh gibsin three strike out
Baseball’s All-Time Greatest Home Run Hitter!
THE TRUE G.O.A.T. IN BASEBALL!
Nope
Not really ruth is still the all time home run king 714 at about 8500 times at bat. He pitched for 6 years hank Aaron took 12000 times at bat to break the record. Did he break the record no..
Babe ruth would have told josh gibson homerun derby contest ,, anytime ,,,josh gibson
Clark Griffith made the biggest mistake of his life not signing these men to play baseball for the senators...
My father got to witness Josh smash a tremendous home run that hit a garage wall at Page Park in Monessen, PA . 575 feet !
No he didn’t
SIR46661 I wished that there was footage of his great feats.
Babe Ruth never could hit that far!! 😮⚾️😮⚾️😮
@@jon-paulhill7786
Yes he did.
@@treywilliams7223
Ruth could and did.
Be quiet.
Josh Gibson did not have 800 HR's
Bob feller& glover cleveland alexander, lefty gomez three pitch strike out for josh gibson
Big Josh is the GOAT of pro baseball. He hit over 400 HRs against pitchers like Satchel Page and Jim “Lefty” Lamarque.
@@kennmiller3278 And the best pitcher the Toledo Fire Department All Stars could find. How about the Ebenezer Baptist team out of Joplin, MO, who pitched for them? Josh lit him up.
Too bad there is no footage of this great man!!!!!!
Too bad indeed
Of all the old school players in either league, Josh Gibson and Satchel Page could absolutely play well today.
Satchel was like Justin Verlander on the mound.
Gibson averaged 50+ HR per 162 games played. He had seasons where his HR average was 1 every 2 games.
look at those arms tho!!
In the damn 40s? 🔥🔥🔥💪🏾
JOSH IS THE G.O.A.T OF BASEBALL
The affirmative action GOAT
This is not the version that was created by the Josh Gibson Foundation
This is exactly why I take the early major league records with a grain a salt. They never played against the best!!
I lol when people talk about ty Cobb or babe Ruth being the best hitter. It’s like there’s no way you can say that
YesTheyDid
They did played the best wtf you talking about
TOO SHORT! JOSH Gibson , we want more !!!!!
Washington screwed that up BAD!!!!!
If this guy was so great, why is there no footage that he even existed!
Why is there no video footage of Josh playing?
tony gilbert it should of hit television at some point don't you think?
@@1lover633 no because I hate to say this but everyone loved satchel and Jackie people have short memorys think about all the "lost footage" that's been found there would be a lot more if the film wasn't flammable
@@TonyGilbert1 And he died kinda young
Agree and was wondering the same. There’s a lot of talk about the legend, but no film, at least that I’d ever seen.
The true home run King 👑! Way before Babe Ruth, and U know this!
You are wrong.
Lol even if you disregard josh which i don't hank is the homerun king period
Ruth batted 524 against the very best of black pitchers. Paign was quote that ruth was the hardest player to get out. Ruth was a left handed catcher then became a pitcher and the outfield. He was capable of playing all positions. Ruth was an advocate for black players.
What doesn't kill you makes you stronger. It's really as simple as that. He was living proof.
I would have loved to seen him play ball.
THE GREATEST HOME RUN HITTER OF ALL TIME......RIGHT UP TO TODAY....2017.
Yes, I am a white man......speaking the truth.
Joey john Gibson was super great homerun hitter,but it to believe what is real statistic like batting average vs major league players
@@lloydkline7245 We will never know because owners who were cowards and players afraid of talent that would over shadow them. That is a fact. He was a legend who died of a broken heart.
Thank You
@@caseywalker1714 it was a different time period white fans wanted to see all white baseball teams too, it like the all white nba and Harlem gobbaltrotter i love to read articles about the first two games when they finally met, baseball had to let black players in because of new money in the 1940s , when the Harlem gobbaltrotter beat the Minneapolis Lakers very close games the first two games they played
@@lloydkline7245 So your telling me that black money or people with an influx of new money & their desire to see black ball players is the reason they broke in... If so do a little be of historical research on an American history. Please not the watered down version you get in these fake text books just go look, hunt, dig for some truth yourself.
They never even kept track of what they did. GTFO!
The gambler in me says that Clemens would strike him out 9 times out of 10. The gambler in me says that Bonds beats Gibson in home run derby, the 40 yard dash and every other aspect of the game. Thanks for uploading. It was a good bio doc.
Lol your crazy
@@Shel230 Lol! Good one pal.
@@rockinyouallnight hank Aaron and Josh Gibson
@@rockinyouallnight lol the fact you put bonds in goes to show your off
Bob feller 98mpn& curve fastball vs josh gibson ; strikeput
Babe Ruth was the white Josh Gibson.
IMHO…GOAT catcher… Sorry, Johnny Bench, you’re #2⚾️⚾️⚾️
Gibson was a true American hero✊🏿I know it was very difficult being black back then and making in life much respect
There is only 250 hr recorded the rest is here say never babe ruth
Comparing a ribeye streak ( babe ruth) to mcdonald hamburger (josh gibson )
What bugs me is this: MLB has kept meticulous records of the history of this game since it's beginning. Yet, no long term or credible records were ever truly kept of the Negro Leagues, barnstorming leagues, etc. Now maybe some could say "well, they were racist & didn't care." To them I say this:
How the fuck did they know so much about Negro players when they started 'allowing' them into MLB?
Yes, I would like proof, not legends or stories, hard proof like recorded statistics. HOWEVER, to discount the credibility &/or talent of men like Gibson/Paige/Bell is pure crap. They obviously did some of the things they did because it made the "white" papers all the time.
I think they do, or did, have the records of some of these players at one time. It's time MLB launched an ACTUAL investigation to finally put this to rest. Because there is NO reason to not believe Gibson hit 800 HR.
They knew. Y word of mouth and seeing the men play. Keeping stats was not thought to be of great importance at the time unfortunately.
Why would MLB have kept records of another league?.. especially a league they dismissed and had no intention of incorporating them into their league
@@davidgerald133 I hear what you're saying, they wouldn't have. But 'Negro' papers and sports writers were at the games, had box scores, etc, there's gotta be records somewhere that someone has. I'm just saying they now recognize these leagues stats as "professional" according to the HoF. What bugs me is they know that despite this, because I believe no true investigation has been done, the stats are not entirely accurate/full. Because of this, their precious MLB records are intact. Sorry I went on a rant there, I just figure, we have the WHA (hockey) stats in the NHL record books, the old ABA (basketball) stats are available in full. I say MLB needs to step up & Do the digging needed to give those players who never were apart of the Show the true status they deserve, statistically.
@@jimdraven2432 i agree with you the problem is even the box scores where wrong back then and yes the aba and nhl kept records which is wonderful i think the mlb will work on this i hear there even trying to get the records from Cuba from all the mlb games played there
He really hit 1,240 HR's and hit one out of Yankee stadium hit track said the ball traveled 706 feet
The big leagues knew how good he was and had to keep him out of the MLB, he would of beat Babes Ruth record
@Angry Grizzly he was better than babe Ruth...RIGHT!
@Angry Grizzly In Reality, Never Dreams...IM RIGHT! ✊🏿😂✊🏿😂✊🏿😂
@Angry Grizzly Babe didn’t play against top tier athletes, Satchel Paige was the greatest ever! Even the white Hall Of fame players say Satchel was the best. Hank Aaron for sure broke his record and even he said Babe Ruth threatened him saying he would kill him if he broke his record...We (Blacks) dominate in everything! White Fragility knows Blacks are the Superior Athletes, u know it as well lol. Josh Gibson was way better than Babe Ruth that’s why they couldn’t let him in the big leagues, they knew what was up.💯💯💯💯🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣✌🏿✌🏿✌🏿✌🏿✌🏿
@Angry Grizzly Black Excellence.🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪💯💯💯💯💯
@Angry Grizzly And speaking of high school and minor leaguers...if you watched the documentary u would see that white baseball historians even said Negro League Baseball was a Pro League & That the only reason they played in those conditions were cause of Jim Crow Laws, The MLB even acknowledged this Year The Negro League was a Pro League.LOOK IT UP! But You Know Damn Well If Integration were allowed then, Babe Ruth Wouldn't Be Shit. Josh Gibson had over 2,000 home runs said by Satchel Paige they didn't take record of it until late. So your statement is discredited but you have a White Supremacists agenda to keep up so I know you would never admit it, But The Historians Did.💯📚⚾
Reminds of the X-files baseball episode. His feats were super human....alien
Babes home runs are all proven. Hit in major league parks against major league pitchers. Prove Josh Gibsons.
Bob fellers 98mph fastball & curve vs josh gibson ??
THAT'S BAD MAN
Check out the movie Soul of the Game great movie I remember watching when I was a kid.
Man I remember that movie. Great film
I heard he may have hit over 900 HR's can anybody prove this or disprove it
Soon it will be known that he hit more than 1000 homeruns in a 17 year career
A catcher, hitting 800 home runs?! Yeah right!
Babe ruth was a left handed catcher prior becoming a pro. There is a picture of him in catcher outfit with his team .
Put him in MLB the show 24.
I agree
Did he face MLB pitching?
Nope.
@@daddyeyez740 Mays had 500 more games and 3,000 more at bats than Ruth,and still could not get his numbers.He hit 350 foot hrs.Ruth hit 450 foot hrs.
flip arachi no
Josh gibson vs bob feller 98mph fastball,,, josh gilbson vs walter Johnson legendary fastball
@@angelsynn6615 And Ruth first demonstrated his greatness on the mound. The Babe was a two-time 20-game winner and had more wins in ever single season he pitched than Bonds, Gibson, Mays, and Aaron had in their careers combined.
He is the best
McQuiggles Not Even Close.
What do u mean
McQuiggles- He Played In High School Stadiums With 250 Foot CF Fences,Batting Off Of Primarily Minor League Pitchers.Maybe He Is The Best Negro Leagues Player,But Hardly The Best Player.He Did Not Prove Hisself In Major League Ballparks In Major League Stadiums.Give Him Props For Best Negro League,But That's It.
@@rogershornsby6837 LOL
That’s Gucci Manes Grandad. on everything.
They say Josh hit more HRs out of Griffith Stadium than the Washington Senators one year. The LF foul line was 400+ feet!
Black Excellence!
I will say it AGAIN for those who didn't see it the 1st time....GREATEST player ANY LEAGUE!!! Josh Gibson!!! And Oscar Charleston is standing right beside Josh!!
Thomas Booker you blacks don't like documented stats. A whole 2 dingers against white pitchers in 54 at bats 😂
LMAO where did you get that info from the storm front times???? You are amusing though keep the hypocrisy coming. You know good n dam well if Josh and the other players played on the same stage as Ruth and Gehrig Barry Bonds would STILL be chasing Josh Gibson's record. You need to learn more about both histories and not just the HIStory that fits your narrative. Good try...LOL
Sorry but Josh did not pitch and yes ruth played left handed catcher before he became a pro. There is a photo of ruth in catcher outfit at his school. He was able to play any position. That's a fact not hearsay.
Bill Jenkinson has documented 16 exhibition games in which Ruth played against black pitchers. He also mentions 3 other games for which there isn't any contemporary primary sources. Below is a summary of how he performed in the documented games per Jenkinson:
AB - 55
1B - 11
2B - 2
3B - 0
HR - 12
BA - .455
SA - 1.145
This includes his 3 jacks in one game off "Cannonball" Dick Redding in 1927.
Before I read his book I had independently collected many of the same games and a few others from ProQuest, and John Holway's book. The sample size isn't large but he his rate stats against black pitchers is much better than the best hitting stats of the best black players of the time in Negro League play.
*Note that Jenkinson gives Ruth credit for two homers that were ruled ground rule doubles. In an exhibition game in 1926, Ruth crushed two balls that would have been homers in any major league park. The game was played at a field with a short right field fence so any ball hit over the fence, regardless of the distance, was ruled a ground rule double. Technically he hit .455 with 10 homers 4 doubles and a 1.073 slugging average.
Ruth was an advocate for black players. He was not allowed to manage a team because of this.
"Hitler's Love Life Revealed." too funny -- 1:55
cool to see him and Ruth battle it out. Ruth was still the best of all time due to the fact Ruth almost had 100 wins as a pitcher.
Josh was the greatest power hitter of all time
T. Rex I stated facts sir. Deal with that. The first 15 years after integration the major leagues were dominated by former Negro Leagues players. Willie Mays, Hank Aaron, Frank Robinson, Ernie Banks, Roy Campanella, Larry Doby. Sorry sir but I know my baseball. My dad played minor league baseball
T. Rex Joe DiMaggio and Lou Gehrig called Satchel Paige the best pitcher they ever faced
T. Rex Pete Rose wasn’t even the best player on the Reds. Frank Robinson was. He won a triple crown and MVP in both leagues
T. Rex Willie Mays was better than Mantle by Mantles own admission
The best EVER!
Just got his jersey.
Best baseball player in Pittsburgh history, but Roberto Clemente is a close 2nd.
Two men who gave everything they had to baseball.
3:17 that’s Rob Ruck, had him as a professor at pitt.
Cool Papa Bell went into the Hall of Fame the same day as Mickey Mantle and Whitey Ford. I was there. What a great day.
Catcher also. That takes a toll on your body. Remarkable player.
They didn't have to join the MLB matter of fact MLB was so concerned about the rising and popularity of the Negro League they started to pay attention to the number of whites in attendance according to players such as Buck O'neil,Satchel Paige,Jackie Robinsson,all memberes of the Kansas City Royals they signed a veteran cuban by the name of Jose Mendez to mange the club they would travel1st class stayed in the best hotels and ate at the best restaurants black owned
JOSH GIBSON .
Babe Ruth said John beckwith was the hardest home run hitter he ever saw
Liar!
@@angelsynn6615 you assholes don't no what the hell your talking about. You probably don't even no who john beckwith is
the 800 home runs is a myth. He was a great player, but the 800 home runs is baloney.
This is very ironic but if the Negro League and MLB were integrated during Bab's Ruth's playing years, the Babe would've had even better stats...
True.
How do you figure that?
It would have been just the opposite cuz all those better pictures would have been in major leagues Hilton Smith Satchel Paige Smokey Joe Williams Cannonball Redding you want me to go on
No it wasn't.
@@latouselatrec As I noted in a prior comment, Ruth never had any problem with Negro League pitching. In exhibition games his record was 55 ABs, 12 home runs and a B.Ave of .455. He hit three home runs in one of these games (Ibelieve off of Dick Redding). He also faced Satchel Paige in a one-on-one exhibition late in his career. The results: one strike out and one 500 foot home run.
the jeloues prople cuts hard in their hearts like poison you should be ashame of that hate and you say you love you dont know how to love onley hate thats called a hipocrate
Babe ruth was Dominican
Made up bullcrud stories do not a great ballplayer make.
Rest like the best great uncle
Best player to play baseball 1000 homerun Josh had more home run than Babes Ruth And Hank Aaron Josh had more than 800 home run do ur homework there lying
Do yours. Many of his home runs were in minor leagues and exhibition games
Ruth did not start out as a home run hitter for his first 6 years was a pitcher. Add another 300 homeruns to his 714 that 1014
Read this book for a real monster of consistent monster shots actually documented and not bollocks
The Year Babe Ruth Hit 104 Home Runs
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@Ben DC4L never. He's just trying to one up Gibson's DOCUMENTED 84.
@@daddyeyez740 hes wrong but so are you. With all due respect mr. Gibson did not have a documented 84 home runs. And many of those so claimed documented home runs were against substandard teams
@@latouselatrec The Negro Leagues were not substandard at all. Prior to Jackie Robinson, Barry bonds, Frank Thomas, Bob Gibson, Willie Mays, CC Sabathia and many more greats would've been Negro Leaguers. Joe DiMaggio called Satchel Paige the greatest pitcher that he ever faced.
Babe Ruth was Babe Ruth. Josh Gibson was Josh Gibson < I know, its going to upset you racists... Sorry, facts are facts...
“800” lol
A shame to hear that so many of these incredible players are either forgotten or not remembered at all. That's just how racist whitey wanted it. Superior athletes pushed into obscurity before finally given their chance. Had it not been for Branch Rickey and Jackie Robinson integration might have been pushed into the 1960s and longer. Gibson is probably the greatest player that ever lived. By consensus those that witnessed him say he was a greater hitter than Ted Williams, Hank Aaron or Willie May's! The conditions black players toiled under made their accomplishments even greater. Constant travel under harassment by law enforcement. If you could call it that! Unable to use restaurants, rest rooms or in some cases even to bathe. Black pitchers doctored the baseball with everything but engine oil. As the great Roy Campanella observed, " I never knew what the ball would do next." Learning to play under conditions no white player could imagine. This is what Josh Gibson and these fabulous athletes faced. Even after integration. That renders what these men did all the more remarkable. And why Josh Gibson is probably the greatest player that ever lived.
Long live the king
Unfortunately he only hit 145 HR in the Negro Leagues, so I have no idea where these statistics come from.
145? Why because racist dickheads like YOU said so? STFU.
@@daddyeyez740 no because seamhead.com negro database says 177 documented home runs
@@latouselatrec Careful, This is a fact-free zone. The racists, when they're not burning down cities, try to win arguments with accusations of racism.
Integrating the Leagues is long overdue
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He actually finished with 969 career homers. And a homerun is a homerun whether it was good pitcher or bad. I am sure Babe Ruth faced some terrible pitchers during his career. And when Ruth played some of the fields did not have fences so the ball was hit far and continued to roll while the outfielder chased it down." Babe Ruth must of actually finished with 1500 career homers.
Home runs against Floyd the barber don't count, buck.
Hes a better regular hr swinger than Mickey Mantle ! Because from his physics and positioning to control a bat at the plate area !
Micky mantle legendary power homerun hitter, face better pitching
He'll yeah
I don't believe there are many players who would have thrived regardless of the area they were born in. Josh gibson I think is one. He would have dominated in literally any Era, going up against any picther
i feel the end guy is a product of his era. ofc they chose baseball over working in the fields, or factories etc. Who wants to bust their ass day after day? Mind you especialy then and up north as this video stated. Anyone could get job, home. and not be in massive debt doing it. to the banks all money was green.
Damn. He died RIGHT before Jackie Robinson broke the color barrier. He averaged 47 HR per 162 games. The pitching probably wasn't as good as MLB, but still. He mashed.
100% baller!
800?!?! Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha aha ha ha a ha ha ha !!!!!!! 🤣😂😅😆😁😆😅😅🤣🤣😂😅😆
No catcher hits 800 hrs.No way.The position itself debilitates the athlete.No way,at all.Lies.
Cant handle a black outdoing your white god babe ruth
@@cathleenpowell9236 Ruth's home runs can be proven,Josh's cannot,because it did not happen,did it racist pig?!
@Cathleen Powell : Where does Sadaharu Oh(868) rank among Josh Gibson(113) & Babe Ruth(714)? Sorry to say, numbers dont lie. :(
@@davidwindsor798 There is a lot of WHITE history that can be proven. There is a lot of black history that has been eliminated or buried. Of course you have an argument when the white media back then glorified their heroes and downplayed probably the "Michael Jordan" of that time in baseball.
@@davidwindsor798 LOL
I have a firm belief that Josh should've been the one who played for the Dodgers, and not Jackie Robinson. Mr. Gibson was better then the rest!!! RIP 🙏
They thought he was crazy and an alcoholic. He drank to numb the pain of a growing brain tumor that made him act erratic. That’s why he died so young.
@@Biggdoom344no
BULLSHIT !! Those SUPPOSED 800 HOMERS included Carribean league games AND Barnstorming games . He WAS GREAT but 800 homers IN THE NEGRO LEAGUES IS COMPLETE BALONEY !!
800 my ass!
Bad pitching: Bob feller 98mph fastball would've put a hole in Josh gilbson bat