Giving up your family and phone for life as a monk - BBC News
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- Опубликовано: 23 авг 2019
- Hundreds of young people belonging to India's Jain community have begun renouncing the material world to become monks who always walk barefoot, eat only what they receive as alms and never bathe or use modern technology. The BBC's Priyanka Pathak explores why.
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My jain friend is going to do something similar. Only problem is, he's doing this after having a child. Second baby on the way. I feel its unfair to them.
Very selfish of them to abandon kids
It means he or she might not have strength to face this society.
If leave your kids like this. God wont accept your prayers. selfish man
@@ambition9698 for your kind information Every jain is too much wealthy and healthy but still they do this as its our way of life
Something is beyond normal human imagination so better not to judge Atleast in the path of spiritual
You clearly don’t understand and are blinded to the facts
I am not being critical to any renunciation of the world, in any religion in search of God.
But my personal opinion is it is very easy to stay in a monastery, with like minded people like you, doing the same things over & over again, a daily set routine, where all are humble & without any materialistic inclination, all are just like you, no one is jealous or provoking you to anger, or misbehaving.
Initially its difficult but in due course it gets easier, with time they adjust. Buddhist monks, sadhus, nuns & many such people leave their life to be with God.
Difficult is staying pure in this world where your surrounded with daily temptations of greed, lust, gluttony, luxury, jealousy, anger, & you manage to control it & stay pure. Thats the challenge.
Totally agree with you
It's definately not easy to renounce world whether alone or in company of like minded individuals
@@AshShrawane True
Living in a monastery is not as easy as it is said here in this comment.
It's easy to fight with outside world.. it not easy to confront the inside world.. confronting and accepts the inner reality is much difficult.
Spirituality is an individual journey.. we cannot generalize every seekers journey.. its a unique path and for every seeker the journey is different.
For some people earning money is more easy than meditating. For some it's other way round. It depends on the baggage that the person is made of...
There's no such thing as pure and impure...there's only one thing and that is called "The Truth".. when we have not realized what it is then better not say that it is easy..
@@ramyathimmisetty8800 How is it not easy staying in a monastery, have you heard of people getting raped,
killed, looted jealousy, vengeance or being lustful, ambitious, competetive or prideful, there?
Being is a monstery is just you vs you.. being the world is you vs you vs the world.
How is it easy to fight with outside world, where you have to get by soo many personalities & indivudalistic traits of the people you meet in daily life, & still be in sainthood kind of state, dealing with people who are not abiding by a norm or rule set laid by some religious sect.
Being in the society you have to take care of your mental health, & deal with the joys & sorrows of this life, birth, death, sickness, pain, gains, losses, & all
emotions of staying in a society.
Seclusion has to deal with only self.
Meditation for 10days or life long can master the inner self eventually cause there is no provocation watsoever.
What traits a person imbibes in renunciation, humility, tolerance, love, peace, joy self-lesness let that good part come when your provoked by society, then we will all have it made.
Mother lied when she said “I feel luckiest person”. Her eyes telling the truth. Daily stress se bachne ke liye ye rasta thik hoga? at this young age?!
Shyd Khushi k waqt v aansu Aate h
Or shadi k bad v rote h parents
Or rahi bat stress ki to materialistic world k tension s dur rhne k lie or saadhana k lie e ye raasta Lia jaata h
Ya
I feel bad for those kids..government didn't give right to vote till 18..how can they think of their journey just yet..hope they have choice to return back if they change their minds ever..hope they are not just running away from our ever demanding education system and they truly understand the implications of this decision...
No they are not,guru are very much intelligent,and they choose them after many exams
@@Krishna66889 I sincerely mean no offense,but most of what they said (10000 microbes dying when we use electricity,etc.) is a baseless and pseudoscientific claim. I am not saying that older citizens who are more experienced of this world,should not take monkhood if they want to,but a kid's mind can be easily manipulated. There must be atleast some age limit for choosing the path. It is what I think,atleast.
@@jellypickle4499 u may say their is age limit for thus path but their knowledge isn't baseless at all even all knowledge is scientifically even now science also accepting it . If don't know then gain knowledge and find out turth, don't think everything in this religion is baseless , first find out truth then comment
@@Krishna66889 I am not saying that everything in religion is baseless,but the claim that 10000 microbes die when you use electricity,is false. There is no scientific proof for it. You can google it,search for it in a library,or ask any person talented in the field of Biology.
@@jellypickle4499 science still didn't find so many things which our scriptures already told and describe precisely it doesn't mean it doesn't exist and now they find it...so it's proof..... science is just give some enough proof of something by already their and they beall are still serching many things
1st point take care of your parents
2 nd help poor people
3 becoming monk is not important
Helping others is important they can do it in normal life also
Becoming a monk is not important to you but it is important to them. You can't control whether someone chooses that path or not. It's entirely upto them
If you think on a deeper level.....helpimg someone as per your understanding is not necessarily helping concerned person .for example - you save someone from accident but next day onwards he suffers from a horrible disease and dies painfully. So you think you have helper him but reality is different. So monks generally thi k this way I suppose
@@pratriciadewan7396 Agreed mam...but these society driven people wouldn't understand this ..
First one should know who he/she is ??? That should be the firsr step. She has made her decision may be no one can change her mind
Good answer 👍
Don't be monk be environmentalist, don't waste your energy to save microbes, use your energy to make poor and sick people life meaning ful. Save this mother nature by cleaning streets, proper use of technology. In this time I think to be a monk means you are getting away from stress and tension from this life.
Era
Everyone is not cut out for the same thing. Some people are recluse. And like to renounce. But yes, Jains are the most successful community in India. Because their sense of discipline and abstinence is very high.
Easy to say. How much of the things you mentioned you have done till now?
Have you done those??
Still u are here wasting ur life and commenting
@Ambition same here 🙂
To be honest caring for your parents is the greatest thing you can ever do..
This!!
And the most mind numbingly boring.
Thank u for such a "great" post..heh
Yes absolutely unlike abandoning them
@@jamesncraigrocjames2092 Yes, when you live only for this world.
My heart breaks for the mother whose hand was pushed away when she was touching her daughter and showing affection for the last time in their lives!
Our country needs youth. One can also gain spiritual growth living with family. Getting rid of responsibility can't take you to moksh.
So true
Ek Omkar Satnam. Where is responsibillity here why u hv to impose responsibility every where???
Definition of "Responsibility" differs from person to person.
For you, responsibility must be to become financially literate, for Jain Samudaya, the responsibility they bind themselves towards society and the wellbeing of society. They're not enforcing their moralities /responsibility on you, and they also expect the same from you.
The greatest responsibility is salvation.
When time will come these monks will renunciate even monkhood for the country. Because they have no weakness is heart. But we will settle away to America or other places to find our needs. Not countries needs.
In epidemics and floods these monks provide so much. Please mention that. This will be a disservice to the society of we do not thank them.
Well said
Saw the pain on her mother's face and felt the pain of her father. Of course this is one way, but there are other ways as well. You need not have to harm anybody, just take care of somebody. Care is of utmost importance. The Lord takes care of us. We take care of someone else. Man for man, life for life.
Every Person, who wants to take Jain diksha, has to take permission from parennts and elders. And, if they permit, then only diksha is given. So there is no point of talking about pain. And those tears are just instantenous and temporary.
Bad extreme practices
Yeah... Nd if u r telling not to hurt even a single microorganism, how can u hurt your parents!! And parents should be our first priority....no hate to any religion just my opinion
Parents are considered above gods in Jainism. As said earlier, parents' permission is must for jain diksha. No parents unwillingly give permission.
@@shankheshnahta4899 ... Yeah ofcs parents are not above God... But what I am just saying is.. U can still please god without taking diksha and hurting ur parents....
No need to become a Monk.. just be a good individual, support your family, pay taxes and support Nation, society...in multiple ways
Oh
These are weirdos
Pay taxes so government officials and politicians can enjoy on our money....
@@shashi3072 hii Sana ji
@@kingnole4237 sad
Never leave our parents alone they are also our bhagvan
Pehle bhagwan ka concept thik karvalo. Jisse fayda ho wo bhagwan nahi hota. Devta, bhagwan, pujniya ye alag shabd hai
Ek omkar Satnam
Don't bring responsibility in the path of God
And in their old age... Ask for their property and send them in old age home... Showing off on its peak.. this is what i have seen in many hindus family...
@@selmonbhoi1282 sab nhi krte asa
@@selmonbhoi1282 ... Marry a woman and then send her to do halala to the maulvi. I have seen it in many muslim families...
This is what monks do in many religions. Also Catholic and Buddhist. Regular Jain people are more "down to Earth" and have a beautiful understanding of their impact as a human on this world.
@Oliver Goldberg The monastic life isn't quite "middle ages". It would probably behoove the West to have a bit of that here.
@Oliver Goldberg your arrogance shows your ignorance
Another eco-lunatic.
@@AlanWattResistance I'd rather be an eco-lunatic than set my own house on fire
@@AlanWattResistance Eco-lunatics worship nature and ecology. That is their god and religion. In contrast, Jains seek spiritual enlightenment. Respect for nature and the ecosystem is merely an overflow of their spiritual path.
2:08 wow ... Not looking at your dad again in the eye again I would cry...
😢😢she can't hug her dad again.
My brother everyone has to go from this earth one day love anger pity are human expressions and we are bounded in it in Jainism it is mentioned that if you want to meditate your mind must be stable a sanyasi must be stable minded his mind must not be affected by any feelings .
"Family and Phone" Yes, both are equally important.
I have closely lived with one such family and it's hypocrisy at its peak! This might offend the community but there is no one as double faced as them. Spent a crore rupee in the ceremony of turning into a monk, and then using a common phone within a group of 3 still post turning into a monk. She used to use it and still interfere in the family matters. All Jain Marwaris must not be so but the one I came across were bad people, impacting my life too to an extent.
not all of them are this way, you may have a bad experience sorry for that but there are monks you are very genuine
yes they lie a lot
Leave them alone if they are happy with it ,they are known as jains .they are pure vegetarian people and I am sure they are not harming anybody so stop criticizing.
@Some Thing I don't know where you are from? But I live with them I have lot of Jain friends ,they are brainwashed from there childhood about there religion and when they grow up they believe their religion very deeply and practice the same.
So how can we help them?
@@utpalbarman2274 who gets the money for the live stream on RUclips ???
J.Michael Jefferson hmm I was thinking about this and they speak of not using electricity because it harms all living things... do they burn rocks because wood comes from living trees .... I’m not hating on them ... just letting them know that they are lying to themselves and all the brainwashing to not even see their family ... colt moving and sad world of deception 😢
@@j.michaeljefferson60 No Money
OH REALLY THEY CLAIM THAT THEY DONT WANT TO HARM A LIVING THING BUT ISNT PLANT LIFE A LIVING THING WHAT A BUNCH OF HIPPERCRITS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Better than 99% of humans, but a bit extreme renouncing family.
All connections are fake. The real connection is with oneself.
I think this is so Powerful and Amazing. Beautiful even. I want to become a Monk so much... But i am a transgender ...does a transgender woman, or Would i have to live as a a man to be a Monk...do women still live as woman.,, Or do they have to become genderless.
@@saffiyehbrandhijaffer-mcne2800 if you being monk then your sexual identity doesn't matter...❤️🔥🙏
@@ShoppersL who told you, we all are connected thus becoming 1 and United with God. So your point is debunked.
@@andreamessiasgomes7118 Advaita vedanta philosophy, Adi Shankaracharya would approve👍. Ironically this was exactly what he said 100s of years ago against Buddhists and Jain's in debates
What a unnecessary oppression on oneself.
She says wealthy people are not happy and yet she goes the other way to the extreme and while cutting ties with her family. 🧐
True
You need to learn alot more before commenting .
@@bhavjain9560 i used to think that Jainism is better religion after watching the problems in other religion around... Jainism also stupid like any others
It always happen at a retreat when you are a kid. At least, this girl is an adult when she finally decided to do this. There are many kids who are pushed into doing it. That is wrong. Why would one want to do it? Whatever reason is claimed, it is really hard to not also take into consideration the really high status that it grants the person and their family. Another reason cannot be ignored is to gain virtue in the savings bank of karma. And no, they don't have to do it forever. They can revert to normal life again.
No one push anyone to take diksha.. nd it not easy for everyone.. jt requires lot of strength to leave all materialistic things and live such life.. They all are really great who choose such path
@@megharani2955 OK, so you think you don't have effect of the environment ....
Don't talk like as if you are born in a brothel...
@@saurabhsingh5263 sorry 😔. I don't want to hurt your feelings I apologise and I take my comment back🙏
At least, the followers of Jainism are peace-lovers. If there are more of the people like these, the world will become more peaceful. My respect to them all.
What is their appreciation of 'colonialism'? Also,is Jainism a 'religion' , a 'sect' or 'a way of life'?
so what exactly is the reason for driving a wedge of zero contact between the father and the daughter? Does that generate peace? Looks to be causing discord, pain, and division to me and NOT peace.
You wouldn't have been using phones if there were more and more people like those.
Jai shree ram
There will be no world.
People who don't have wealth
Strive for it, & those who have
Are denouncing it.
Humanity is weird.
The grass is really greener on the other side I guess..
Just like Gandi gee.
G U R U we all want happiness and assume we’ll receive it by going towards what we don’t have
because that not the ulitamate n most important thing
And people like you still doesn't get a message that materialistic world cannot give you happiness
This form of renunciation is a common practice in Hinduism, Buddhism and Jainism. Although in Hindu beliefs, Dharma, Artha and Kama form the stepping stones to Moksha. The stage of giving everything up (Sanyasa) is only preferred by a very few people because the scriptures provide Karma and Bhakti as alternate pathways for eternal salvation.
True❤️
You don't know entire process or phenomenon of moksha in terms of Jainism ..!!
@@Sagarpawar-ix7ky Yes and you have attained it all, so you know :D
Even among Jains, it’s few people who choose this path. Let her make her choice
Not hugging ur parents is extreme
Jains are most sensitive person on earth ...daru piyo ,daru 😊
@@saurabhsingh5263 you are so wrong.
If that's what makes them happy!as long as it's hurting no one... Who are we to judge?...pro Life
We judge because many of them return and this is actually a waste of life...if they believe in reincarnation they should also believe that the microorganisms they kill they also free them from this birth and they can be even a higher self after that...
@@fantasyteamshorts6112 Do you have any proof to back up your claim? I'm a Jain by birth and have heard of just about 4-5 people in my life returning, while there are about 16,000 Jain monks.
You have likely never known a Jain monk so saying this is a waste of life is a very baseless, senseless and foolish thing to say. I personally know tens of Jain monks (and have been in contact with probably hundreds of them) and have found that they make the most out of their life like no one else.
You can't make microorganisms a higher self by killing them, neither has the universe given anyone the right, responsibility or power to do that. So, no, anyone believing in reincarnation shouldn't believe that they can make microorganisms a higher self by killing them.
If someone suicide we should stop him
We can't say he is not harming others just killing himself.same these people destroying thiere life for nothing
@@Lateefkhanbishami It's not literal suicide mate. Figuratively, maybe, but no.
@@Lateefkhanbishami it's their believe what's wrong with that at least our religion doesn't lead to rise of terrorism or mass killing and I am a jain who eat onions etc it's our choice that we want to follow this procedure or not if that is the case then in Islam people are allowed to marry their own sisters or have 3 wives is it ok according to you
I respect people's decisions however extremists of any kind can be worrisome.
GYAN DARSHAN thank you!
Have they harm you so how could you pass your judgment.
This is not as worrisome as terrorists you idiot.
In true sense its not exterismism its about becoming more simple n inner oriented
you don't have to respect this religious idiocy
Imagine on the day of judgement , they found out what they did on earth was a complete lie,l..just imagine
Still they'll go to heaven (if one exists) as God will see their struggle.
My neighbour took diksha too. Its quite disheartening for the family but they have to look happy from outside. I had seen her grow and after she went, it was so difficult to even take off the pictures they had used for the decorations while sending her off
Buddha had tried Jain method to reach enlightenment but he debated with Jain monks that their methods were too extreme. So he created and followed his own method the Eightfold Path aka "the Middle Way".
Avoid harming living beings but do not become to extreme either side. Follow the middle Path
@Abol Tabol chill dude.. you don't need to be rude to him.
@Abol Tabol A healthy discussion is a very good thing for our societies. Our ancestors loved SHASHTRARTH !
It's good that we are living in such a multicultural society. Thank God I'm Indian
@Abol Tabol calm down dude it seems you have taken it in a very wrong way!
Middle path is awesome as long as you know what is the middle path...
What the Buddha called the "middle way". The parable used to illustrate the point was of a musician telling his students how to tune their string instruments, too tight and the strings may snap and too loose and you will not be able to make music. Even with the difference between Jainism and Buddhism there does seem to be a lot in common between the 2 religions.
They say they don't want to kill any living being but they have masses of dead flowers for the Deeksha decorations.
yeah
They’ve been misled and brain washed to living through astray path...hope they won’t breed so the situation stops when they die.
you dont understand the difference?
They only take those flowers, which already fall on the ground ...
Many negative comment on this ...give me a chance to prove they doing great job.
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I'm not jain , just if thought I'm taking there side or something. I'm with science : they are trying tell world that " we don't need all those things like phone /money /anything that's not required for life..they saving environment ..yes here big part of their faith come..they believe in
God and that's only reason they can live that life without hurting nature and with peace.
If go with you calculative mind many comment were there like -
" Body immune system kill many micro organisams or there taking bath kill skin cell or something "
- try focus on positive side , it's ok if don't believe in spirituality .go with science then they try tell one simple msg - if wd live naturaly we can save earth ."
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If your intelligence
Has that much depth to see positive side of this , " you will never comment bad things to prove your self right "
#im not jain just don't think I'm try to influence you or make my self right
Think you self ...you already know thr ans , you just have to accept it.
This is the most ironical “luckiest” mum I’ve seen so far! She herself did not choose such a life for herself but is happy to let her son live it! You dont have to be a monk or take deeksha to become a good human being. If you believe in karma, then, God gave you this human life to live it to its full potential and experience the life of a human being which is beautiful. No need for all this, seriously...
So true
You have no idea what we are missing out in the name of "living life". May be this mom knows what she missed out on. Try spending few days with a monk and you will never say this again.
Totally agree !
@@meghaparmar691 have u taken diksha
True.
Weirdest thing to do, never thought this still exists. Leaving education, dreams, family to be a monk. Even without being a monk one can stay without hurting living things. Anyway it's their call 🙏
Are they disturbing your peace of mind? No, right? Then dont judge
Being a monk is the hardest decision one takes in life. And that's done by only those who understand the cycle of karma. It's not something that u r capable of understanding right now
True
These are Jain's ...only Jain's can do this....with wealth and education
Dreams education family do you think don't they hurt. Even your mother father many times make you cry . Your dream if not fulfilled make you cry. You can't be happy with all this around these things increase your desires and desires always hurt , pain . You can't stay in peace with all these things around . NEVER. So to be happy limit things to only which are necessary for survival like eat foos bot do not feast. Wear clothes but not designer or fashion , live under rootlf for protection but do not use electricity , fans gyser , furniture because if you use them and for some reason they won't be available you will feel sad. That's why living with family , dream, ambitions , luxury will NEVER give you peace of mind , saticfaction , contentment and fulfilment . Wl
I'll die of boredom within days
You have much intereste in world.
@@Mcthindi ...
Well you have interest in different things some have interest in spirituality it's depend person to person
No you won't
@@yashduggad9966 i would
BBC should renounce media too.
Yes
This is extremely concerning to say the least. I can't even imagine putting little 12 year old children through it. I feel this video should have included comments from child rights workers and psychologists. How is it legal to put young children into this kind of a cult-like organisation! This video seems like promotion of these practices rather than their critical evaluation. One expects more from a news outlet like the BBC.
I wouldn't go as far to say they are a cult but yes, the senior monks shouldn't indoctrinate kids. One can take such a severe decision in their twenties or thirties , not before that
I totally agree with your answer... That's exactly what I have felt after watching this video
Cult-like? There are numerous children in Maths and Ashrams of Hinduism as well. What's that then?
@@peacenlove I generally do not answer to replies on my RUclips comments, but I am making an exception this time. I assure you that my reaction would be exactly the same irrespective of which religion practiced such things. I did not write the above comment from a place of religious intolerance and bigotry rather I am concerned about protecting the rights of such young children. I am also concerned whenever I see young people unquestioningly following anyone/anything.
I dont think it's right to put children through this. But when this practice began, they were considered as young adults not children. But today with a lifespan of 80 years, one must do better.
This is escapism honestly. It might be a fit 200 years back but not now when people around are suffering and they need each other 🙄
Thanks for your judgment, you should learn how to say something in nicer way at least it will not hurt someone's heart and escapism is when you run from your responsibilities and they are becoming monks! You know what monks do? If you don't know anything just don't comment.
@@rishabjain6840 Last i remember, India is a democratic country where people are free to express their opinion. With all respect, it looks like a convenient escapism to me !!!! If you don't like, ignore... Simple!!
@@mishtibanerjee8148 India is a Democratic country but is it good to say something against someone's belief in the name of Azaadi? Don't take Azaadi in that way. I can't ignore that because am just requesting you to respect other beliefs too
@@rishabjain6840 ignore her
Must be some woke Bengali Bhadralok trash talking nonsense about others
In our scriptures Even lord Dhruv renounced everything to seek god.
Meera renounced everything for lord Krishna
This girl in video did nothing wrong
As a sanatani she is inspiration to many who want to seek path to ishwar
@@Pravar yea but they didn't join any Monkhood.
The pain of separation from your love one,,,,,, OMG cannot even imagine.
0:25 , I’m an indian jain and i like to walk in street full of trash but blame electricity for the wrongdoings in my society.
Tim Crawford lol
Tim Crawford right about that, most of the india is dirty and unhygienic. And when they lecture about spirituality and culture i just laugh.
Haran Sivasambu fuk that supposed to mean ?
Educated people leaving society 😕
People needs you
Brain washed by their guru. Children at the age of 10 , 13,20 are talking about the problems of life ......... seriously ???
They believe what they listen.
Don't ruin their life we have just 1 life .
Atleast don't do with the children and youngsters.
They are brainwashed and you are a Lusty ....enjoy don't use brain ...
Children are young not their parents 😂
YOU ARE NOT FORCED!
If you’re fed up with life do some travelling and then decide how you want to live rest of your life!
Bay Of Bengal totally agree with u
May be they already did. They are all from well to families.
How does one travel w/o money?
Then what about your soul?
That's your identity & goal is moksha
Well I guess i rather have more people in this world trying to make less of a negative impact... Even if this is kinda cult-y.
@Abol Tabol that's what he meant by culty
@Abol Tabol you are talking about the cult based on an individual. Cult in general sense means a fringe group of people who diverged from an orthodox religion because of their extreme belief in some teachings of that religion.
@Abol Tabol yes... Hinduism is not a religion by any definition. It's just that religions like Islam, Christianity came to india and Britishers called everyone else as Hindus. There is no commonality within Hindus, not everyone believes same gods ,not same traditions, doesn't see everyone within Hindus as equal,No definite rules to be followed based on any book.
@@9535310131 go and read what the previous Jain person said I wish here to send screenshot because that Jain just search above, they said Jain is not part of Hinduism it was a seperate belief from very beginning.
The hair plucking, still gives me goosebumps.
If you are thinking you life is hard you are wrong
I got goosebumps only by imagining this
How hard is to take decision for this
Maa,Baap se bada koi bhagwan nhi hme unki sewa krni chahiye ❤❤
Laakho maa baap apne baccho ke sabse zyada dukho ka kaaran bhi hotey hai. Kindly stop generalising! Acchai buraai har taraf hai. Isliye naa har maa baap hamesha sahi hota hai naa har baccha naa har boodha. Zindagi ko balance karke samjhogey toh galat faimiyo se bachey rahogey. Good day!
Cutting off family ties is a huge no no for me. Dunno why i ever watched this video.
Then don't watch! You've watched that by your own right?
@@rishabjain6840 what's your problem she's expressing her feelings, maybe you should do this Diksha more than anyone cause your being mean.
@@andreamessiasgomes7118 commenting on other religion's practice and then expecting to not be dragged oh my god. That's pathetic. Expressing and commenting both are different, i will defend my religion's practice as you can defend Baptism and Church practices.
This is cruelty
I guess being monk is better than blowing up yourself
Human life is so complex.... my best wishes to her and her loved ones. This made me feel sad ☹️☹️
One can live a normal life and yet still do good deeds!
One does not need to run away from family and life.
There are many in this world who need care, support and love.
If you really want to do something good, go and help those in need. Live your life for others in need
True 👍
Davemausami I suggest U to jus have a chat with a Jain Monk if possible.. & ask all ur doubts..I hope your perspective will change forever about them..Peac6
@@mehra764 it is more harder than fulfiling worldly responsibilities.
Why will anyone go to a more harder path to free oneself from less harder responsibilities?
Choice matters
@@mehra764 ye ek atheist ki soch hai
What i think about this is that children should not be put into this untill they understand what they are doing. Let them grow first and then take this decision.
He's her child, who are we to teach her parenting?
@@poojajain1631 no one but a general human rule says this.
@@poojajain1631so why have child protective laws in this country? Who are we to stop any parent
4:44 "because he can't use RUclips/electricity, he can't post. So his followers post on behalf of him" wth he doesn't use electricity because he doesn't want to kill any microbes but he makes others to use 😅
Jainism is a very interesting religion. It is extreme in some ways but respectable in most. Even Lord Buddha practiced it for some years before going for the middle way. All the best to these young people who are willing to give up everything for a spiritual clean life.
Extreme in what sense..?
@@darshanats1481 Extreme is gazwe e hind. Jo islam ka sabse bada mission hai. I feel pity on people who are islamist and they believe non believers should be killed or converted. It is nothing new happening since birth of islam.
@@abhijeetkumar2204 yesss this is called extreme
if you read what the life of a monk is , allowing a little child to experience that is extreme
Supian even our tirthankars does not preach extremism .It all depends upon your inner will power and power of your body.It has been said in jain granthas that Tirthankars have a very powerful body and born with special body traits not found in normal human beings. so for e.g if Lord Mahavira the last Tirthankara of Jainism for example can stay without food for few months it is normal as per his capacity and power but it's extreme for us.Tirthankars always said that do penance as per your body capacity.Unnecesaarily torcuring your body is Violence with yourself.
5:56 OMG! I wish that kid could have lived his life ..... I think it is the parents' fault in this.....wish these kids could take more education and lived there life 😶
Why do u think as if it's a bad thing even In other religion like Buddhism it's normal to see kids becoming monks they are there to learn spirituality I'm not sure maybe they allow them to do their further education if their parents are also ok with it who are we to judge
@@sushmajain7228 To begin with, madam I have no problem with Diksha but the statement made by kids ...Life is beautiful.... the perception of kids about life is wrong and they should be guided correctly and should give a chance to educate .... their parenting is wrong and furthermore, im the citizen of this country I have right to speak up on such practice... I have the freedom to speak ... it's not ur personal matter that I'm giving my view on...
@@prachiyadav3893 he got it early. Life has nothing good to offer, people perceive/make it better or worse. So he's right, brave than others.
I don't think its necessary..we can simply adopt a simple life without luxury and help as much as we can to needy people and animals.. cutting ourselves from parents is not a right thing according to me
True
This entire ideology is super debatable! 😣
It's a very very personal choice and all praise to this girl for choosing what she has.. Renouncing all world' pleasures is indeed very difficult..
I am not disrespectful to the religion, but truely unfair to the youngsters. Imagine if whole world turn in to Jainism and become monks, who will do work and produce food ? Can some answer this! Look at the parents, I flooded with tears and felt the religions does emotional blackmail. If the community think about harmless living, better leave money lending businesses. I grew up with the same community around, majority of them doing money lending business and sucking blood of poor and vulnerable. .........It is enough, please stop these practices.
100 trillion microbesare in human body, what we can avoid taking in is nothing, please breath normally. Sanatana dharma say " Tatvamasi (god is with in you)" practise that. Don't think too extreme. I am sorry if anyone offended, but I mean it.
I agree with u ,giving a good and happy life to their parents is every child's responsibility ,and this is something which i felt is very meaningless
When you don't know then you should not speak and show your illiteracy 😁😁😁....zahil
@@GurpreetSingh-mt9ck OK, sikhs should not bring knife with them..govt of india should ban sikhs from having kripan ....
@@saurabhsingh5263 I think you need to think before giving such statements, sikhs have kirpans for their own protection not for killing someone, the five signs are given to us by our guru gobind singh ji for protecting others whether the person is sikh Or belongs to any other religions, go and read history how sikhs helped people of others religion without any selfishness, the statement you made is totally out of context and below the belt bcoz I have not said something which against any other religion, this show how respect do u have for other religion, grow up dude
@@GurpreetSingh-mt9ck you have used the word "meaningless" if you want to get respect then learn how to give respect ....otherwise I can say a lot about sikhs which definitely hurt you ....
This is madness. Who is paying for them to live there as a monk? Don't want to use phone but allows others to film him. Not hurting microorganisms? Do they not take antibiotics when they get sick?
Exactly 💯
Lol top 2 richest person of India and Asia are Jain we people have enough money
@@indianfeminist8831 are you implying that their parents are paying for them to live as a monk? In that case their whole life would be a hypocrisy! Otherwise i don't see how your comment is relevant to mine.
@@azia316 atleast their belief is better then Muslims lol
@@AkshayKumar-nk8dw it is easy to say these thing and judge the whole community on basis of few people.
Keep going
If you give up your inner demons and bad thoughts that's the best renouncation you can make instead of being a monk...
Wow...it is a big step. But look around...how many people are really happy and fulfilled today even though they may have everything in a material way. Perhaps this is a sign of our times. We have satiated ourselves to the point of finally realizing the material will never satisfy. Nothing wrong with material, but it has become our God and thus the world is now a total mess. Time to balance that out. Much respect for these kids.
Who would renounce there’s family that sounds like some cult stuff
It’s a religion. So yeah, a cult indeed.
.. Are there any Indian Muslims converting to Jainism? I would like to know. ..
It is cult
bimmjim there’s no way for people to convert to Hinduism or Jainism. U can adopt the methods and follow the principles etc. but no official way of ‘converting’ per say. That only exists in Abrahamic religions.
These are all man made things. Hindus didn’t care to expand their numbers and bring people on their side or any such thing. So that part was never created.
@@bimmjim Whoa. . deja vu
This cell phone is evil than why this video is shown on evil platform??
This cellphone has alot of best things which changes life's of people.
I find this very disturbing !!!!! One just need to have a pure heart ..and focus on doing good karmas .....there's absolutely no need to live a life like this to follow spirituality .......they r just wasting their life ...and wat is the benefit ??? Nothing.
Exactly. U don't have to live like a monk to think like a monk
THEY DID THIS TO ATTAIN NIRVANA, IT IS USUALLY DONE TO FREE YOURSELF FROM THE CYCLE OF LIFE AND DEATH
@@vishalsantoshdubey683 it doesn't work that way, experiencing life on earth is like a school , in 1 life you cannot experience everything so you will come again and again, the trick is to learn and not repeat mistakes(like doing crime or intentionally hurting someone or anything of that sort.) And then you move on to different levels, many people thought am crack but this is written in Garuda Purana too, we choose our parents country race and things we want to be in, it's all us then when born all that we chose is erased so that we live our lives .
@@andreamessiasgomes7118 u get multiple lives to learn from your mistakes???
Can you tell me what mistakes did I did in my previous life? So I don't make those mistakes again
Can you tell me which things I experienced in my previous life?
So I don't repeat those things
Can you tell me cause I don't remember
Just few months ago one my friend posted on Instagram about one of her cousin becoming monk, she and her whole family was crying hysterically ...
Attachment, hrunanubandha
They should not cry, everyone has his own path to tread.
People getting stuck on not killing organisms are missing the point. I'm 34, work is a grind, the days are long the nights are short. Constantly on the go. Throwing my phone away and being a nomad sounds like heaven on earth.
Yeah but it doesnt come with free meals... It means everyday for the rest of ur life you are eating boiled vegetables and rice which you beg for... Sleep on the floor without ac, fan etc... Relinquishing all relationships, human touch, sex...it is very very tough.. And as the video talked about most of them revoke their vows.. I mean i cn appreciate the ideals in moderation though..
Being a nomad sounds great, for about a week. The extreme of refusing to kill even that which is bad for you would only cause the proliferation and spread of deadly diseases, the consequences of this are very serious. However, this is a works/righteousness system, bootstrap theology.
No sex, no family, no jacking off, no netflix. You still good to go ?
@@anurupabhowmick6087 are they cooking those boiled vegetables and rice? If not it's free right. Hello many people who are single live like this especially of previous generations, it's only Modern kids who are like this materialistic, there's no need of becoming a monk. Many people live off the grid , secluded and live a minimal life and yes without gadgets and sex, in nature. This monk thing is for the weak! I've seen it in Christianity Buddhists and Hindus .
I read the comment section and realized that a lot of people are being so judgemental about becoming a monk. It's not an issue of morality. It's an issue of choice. If someone wants to renounce, that doesn't make them selfish. Also, it very selfish of the soicety to force an individual to not renounce by giving examples of morality. This is just one life and becoming a monk is a life choice. Whether an individual wants to marry, be single, be a social worker, a business person, a gypsy, or a monk is their choice. And judging the life choices of other people is extremely disrespectful. Also, most of these monks are viewing life in a mystical way. The people judging are analyzing life from a different perspective. Surely, you have the right to choose your lifestyle. But judging other people's life choice just isn't fair. Also, becoming a monk is not escapism it involves a higher level of spiritual responsibility.
For all those geniuses who have commented that they're running away from responsibilities: it takes immense courage and will power to lead a life like that. Monkhood is a privilege that is accessible only by a select few (due to their merit / karma in their previous births according to Hindus, I believe it's the same for Jains).
However decisions like these must be well thought out (atleast people featured here have thought about it). I've read about a Jain couple with a 1 year baby wanting to take Diksha and were instantly called out (and rightly so) which led to only the husband taking Diksha, while the wife decided to stay back and take Diksha after the child turns 18.
not just jains or hindus, for any human being
Who provide them free food?
Where do they get free shelter?( No worry of paying rent)
What about illness and hospitalisation cost? Nursing cost if they got sick and completely bedridden? ( Who pays insurance for them?)
Where they brush, toilet, bath?( All free? Who pays for them)
Who buy them sanitary napkins during period? ( Who pays)
They're getting all for free.
No pressure of studying to get a job then paying rent, taking care of parents.
@@Payelcrispercas9 just for your information, jain monk do not stay at one place for whole life, they don’t have ashram, they keep moving from one place to other, one state to other walking. As for food, jain families do provide food, but they don’t eat at your home, they go house to house with their set of few bowls, if they get less food they divide between all equally, if no food they fast. No they don’t get food served to them on plate everyday, they too have to work for it. For brush toilet bath, they don’t use them, no electricity too. They don’t use any worldly things. Sanitary pads they don’t use that, they use clothes ( not rags). Also they only use cotton white clothes to wear and every sadhu have only 2-3 pairs of clothes, nothing which needs money they don’t own anything. Please if you don’t know about Jainism, don’t go mudslinging. It’s even harder to go without all the conveniences in this day and age. No pressure studying? Then let me tell you there are many sadhu sadhvi doing PHD after Diksha, and for the purpose of doing pratikaman, vyakhyan you need to study religious books and scriptures everyday. They still have to study. And they study hard.
@@mom_on_a_mission3059 How does " Not staying at one place and roaming one state to another" make the free food justified i don't know.
But not taking care of parents, not taking them to doctor, not taking responsibility does not make anyone great. It's kind of escapism that is glorified.
Those who are doing phd and studying without any tension of getting job or placement or paying fees to authorities are just lucky guys.
Common man has to do real work for food and education.
@@Payelcrispercas9 not taking care of parents and not taking them to doctors, if that’s the reason to take diksha that’s laughable. Don’t tell me all who don’t take Diksha always take care of their parents and never run away from responsibility! Not taking responsibility? How? When you become jain sadhu you have many responsibilities attached to that title. Jain sadhu follow very strict diet and they can not find food even in jain home at times. Let me just explain about free food, when you as a person do not mind eating whatever you get like a beggar, from some house they will get 1 roti one house 2 spoonful of one sabji and from other 3 spoonful of other sabji all kept in a bowl mixed by the end of their daily food foraging journey of couple hours twice a day, you eat that. Even beggars sometimes have better free food. Completely missing point here that is food is requirement of human body, what they are doing is for soul.
Ohh and case of no worries about getting a job, you worry about not even touching normal water, not putting a foot in puddle and thinking and trying to not hurt even microscopic organisms at best of your capabilities, you have more to worry about than common man like us. Ohh and why do you have to worry about job? Because you need money to get all they worldly things you need, like phone or car may be. Or home to call it your own. They travel one place to other with many days sleeping on floor, in makeshift tent, even when they stay at temple they sleep on floor, no personal room for anyone, just one hall for 30-40 people.
Free education? They provide free education too. It’s called vyakhyan, they teach jain scripture, they preserve jain granthas ( how do you think Jains being so minority survived as a religion without loosing their roots for this long! ) nothing is free in this world and they certainly don’t own anything which needs money, so getting your favorite sabji, your favorite fruit or for that matter anything is completely out. If you still feel they are mooching off free stuff and living life of luxury then I would suggest please get more knowledge before accusing a religious minority. We already have been laughed about being ahimsa followers, but now if you become vegan you are hip. We have been laughed about eating only between sunrise and sunset, but now you do it it’s intermittent fasting, we have been laughed about drinking boiled water but now you do it you are hygienic. So well as jain I would assume give benefit of doubt to other community too.
I cant stop my self from crying...you people are really great....it is very hard...
Emotional drama
@@ralph6417 u have 0 emotions psychopath.......
Humanity itself emotions not dramas
@@kitchens222
Another emotional queen.
Your comment got deleted,even the video creator knows I'm right.
@@ralph6417 excuse me drama queen...
Hope ur drama don't work.....
My comment is not deleted.......i got late notification
Save your microscopic bugs but to hell with family and the torment they feel right? Can't there be a happy middle-ground?
I really believe that all this should happen once you have lived your life I don't know I just feel everybody is brain washed into this
I so agree 🙈
I am sure, You are a thurkey ...😊😊😊
What live life ? To succumb to immorality, commit sins, prosper in material gains like Hindu girls do even boys ?
Goal of life is to attain moksha of soul that's your true identity. Seems Hindus don't know basic of own Dharma..
@@saurabhsingh5263 what's that?
One of my classmates got married 3 years ago and after 2 years she decided to live like this. She is gonna stay in marrige but will reject her husband just coz she is becoming a monk like this girl. It's so unfair to her husband. If she wanted to be a monk she should've told the guy before getting married. Her parents shouldn't have forced her into marriage. 💔💔
Many people divorce after 2 years of marriage. I dont know why she should continue.
She'll become only after consulting her husband
She should divorce him them
Some of the most gentle people in the world. I admire them, though I do not believe in their religion.
It is okay to us. God gave us the ability to question, so you don't need to.
@@russiakavladmir3531 we also have ability to question so please don't think you are of some high sort.
This is the beauty of dharmic religions.....Vairagya from the worldly pleasures to attain moksha....
Ironically, Jain community is one of the richest in India
Please dont feel offended. Being a monk in such young age... but the country needs the youth. Yes diksha and sanyas after 60 above.. i understand
Once again ... sorry if anyone felt bad.
The problem that no one is saying here is that a cult is converting children and pressuring that they be removed from their families. It is ridiculous.
They have no problems with it
@@sheeltushar798 that's the big problem.
I have listened to Osho a lot. He has cleared a lot of my doubts.
Not using electricity and then filming everything to post it on youtube, irony.
I can leave my family but phone. Hell no
Being a jain myself and have my cousins taken Dikshas…it’s brings tears and joy, it’s a feeling no other person can feel other then oneself.
Yes ...
Chal nikal yahan say tu bhiksha dikhsha lay lay jaake
@@smay4045 don't u have any manners to speak...someone is sharing their holy experience about cousins, u are abusing it and making fun ....have some basic sense of respect otherwise people will also not respect people like u....just the way u respect your religion, let others respect theirs ...!
@@apurvajain2435 it like escaping for work and responsibilities....
@@smay4045 i think u don't have any idea about our Jain monks....their life is harder beyond imagination...!!!
you get hapiness in life from helping others , not by running away from life and respnsiblities
Sir, that is what shravaks do, jains in day to day life. Monks have done it and left real world.
What's happiness & sadness? By doing such material pleasures that are temporary & vary as per individual it's not real happiness of soul.
Seems you don't know that basic of Hindu Dharma is soul attaining moksha where it's real goal
You don't become a good person by running away from reality but by facing it
Leading a life serving ur family too is a responsibility man.Y dont people understand it.
Practicing Jainism the way it was meant to be, is not for the faint of heart.
And not for kids. Leave the kids alone, what I say to all parents.
If becoming a monk is a good thing then it should be prescribed for everyone.
Imagine if the whole world is full of monks...
I understand this is ones own choice so we can't judge but certainly God won't want people to get away from families, abandoning them.. or discriminating between gender, changing our names and identities!! We were sent here into families for a reason. To love, live and spend lifetimes trying to find God within ourselves and within the chaos in this world. That's the real Moksha we need to seek. Getting away from everything and living this way in isolation is great to turn into a monk but I think living life the way we have and making the best out of it is the biggest challenge as well as the biggest reward.
Also, it's just my own opinion.
jains dont believe in god
It is like you have talked with God...😁😁😁😁
@Arkangel Flights then you would come under atheist category, don't say you don't believe because y'all pray to bhagwan Mahavir.
You mentioned hair being plucked from scalp!?!is it so!!!madness
Rather than giving up everything in the name of religion...i would do it to help the needy
...one of my partners is Jain. I am in Chicago...I am a vegetarian because of his spirit and, most importantly, being shown wonderful cooking techniques. I do not look for perfection, but to all in that community...your presence in Chicago is not unappreciated...a little voice from here
ONE of your partners?? How many do you have?
@@JasonSmith709 4
@@JasonSmith709 Patan, Gujarat; Madison WI, Bangalore (his wife handles the reals estate), and Quebec - Patan has a great underground well; like a temple; and I have visited the Hindu temple and Jain Temple in Chicago with him. (at 2 pm you have to keep quiet)
he came over with the person who founded the Patel Brothers (groceries etc) in Chicago (I can never remember his name)...the largest donner to the Jain Temple; although he is not Jain
@@JasonSmith709 Rani Ki Vav - Patan
People who all are frustrated from their life only take diksha. They just want to get out from this life. Your own life is okay it’s ur life your choice is okay but ur naming as we are doing it for our soul and to improve the society then I disagree. It’s just a escape from life. God has sent us to change the world if u r becoming monk doing nothing then it’s a useless thing. Please read Bhagavat Gita first then take decisions. Rather than becoming a monk your guru should teach how to handle life with kind and love without leaving the generation.
India is great.... Hindus n Jainism teach us that all lives are important.... N we should not hurt anyone.. .its noy easy to to left everything... And look at their viewed about life n soul.... Soooo amazing...
you cant renounce the modern world with an electric fan in the room
I think you don't know that Jain monks don't use any electronic device
Generate an electricity kills many microorganisms. They don’t use any materialistic products.
@@sanskarchhajed1329 what about at night light is required, you telling me they use Diyas?
@@sanskarchhajed1329 what about at night light is required, you telling me they use Diyas?
It’s called social sucide, we know Jain’s are the most peaceful sect in the world. But renouncing family and all is bit extreme, we are not living in Stone Age anymore.. society need productive people inorder to survive. Anyway wish you all the best, peace ✌️
Escapism.
One has to fight tooth and nail to survive in this world. Resorting to this is tough in the beginning but extremely easy later. Zero responsibilities. Why have a brain and be an evolved being then? Even the Early Man had to struggle for survival.
Really gone case people. Educated people must understand what is right and wrong as per today's world . I personally feel it's not worth at young age as we have lot to learn and see in world . Community must restrict age for this then it will have a meaning to it. Once a person is developed physically and mentally to decide i can say after 21-22 years it's ok to become a monk.
If its raining you don't tell sky to stop it, instead you take an Umbrella. Life is a test you can never escape from it. Either you be in a cave or live in a luxury hotel, you are still consuming resources. Is it logical to follow sustainability rather than choose complete isolation?
Jainism followers are actually one of most peaceful people on earth.
Jainism is one of the beautiful part of Sanatan Dharm branches. Other 'Panths' include Sikhism, Buddhism and the 'regular' (Hinduism) Sanatan Dharma
Sikhism is never part of Hinduism or sanatna sharma... Sikhism is anti-Hinduism/sanatana. Against Ritualism, casteism, class, creed, superstitions and in case here against renouncing World/family/marital bliss.
We are living in 21st century
Enjoying life >>>>
Would have loved to hear from the ones who revoked their vows. To understand what made them come back.
Also, no issues with sane adults taking deeksha at their own will. But children!!!
That should be banned.
Salute to all..it takes a lot of courage to do all this. We abnormal people gets so in pain if our ph battery is 1% ...here u have to leave all materialiatix things.