Besides the inclusion of historical maps and photos, stunning array of audio and video footage, excellent writing, editing, and voice recording, there is also the generally positive and wholesome community in the comments. Hurrah for Jago and their Hazzards!
My wife and I married in 1971. She worked in the Inner London Education Authority (ILEA), and part of her job involved running the annual recruitment drive for newly qualified teachers to work in London schools. In those days these were largely young aspiring middle class gels who dreamt of living in the fashionable parts of west and south west london. Of course the vacancies were often in the less desirable parts of north and east London; hipsters etc. were at that time not even twinkles in their fathers’ eyes. She became expert in explaining how the North London and other lines running into Broad Street allowed commutes between Kew and similar to the grim redoubts in which the vacancies for teachers needed filling.
Interestingly, when Broad Street was finally shut in June 1986, the Graham Curve from the North London line (about a kilometre east of Dalston) was rebuilt to the West Anglia Main Line allowing a few peak train services from Watford access to Liverpool Street instead of Broad Street, but journey time was a bit longer. That service ended in September 1992, with Primrose Hill station on the Watford route closing as well. The Graham Curve still exists, being used occasionally for stock movements, weedkilling trains and diversions.
I recall the early days with Jago, the beer and model railways, and am really pleased with how well the channel has done. I agree with another comment here that the channel always produces excellent videos and the people making the comments are supportive and courteous. Definitely one of the very best RUclips channels and long may it remain so.
You meet the nicest people on rail....although my repatriated daughter formerly and briefly in SE25 might vehemently disagree..: "This isnt NZ....you Don't Talk to people."....
As a young trainee architect with the Historic Buildings Division of the GLC, I was sent to spend weeks surveying and drawing up Broad Street Station for their records. The joy of the Station was its unique (for this country) Beaux Art style. It was a great shame when it was replaced by the Broadgate development, which in turn has been redeveloped. By coincidence I was working for TfL as an architect and was involved in protecting the bus station on the same site during the redevelopment.
It says something about the 83 stock that it never even made it to the IOW. The OAP retirement home for old tube stock, if it's reliable. Narrow doors are a bonus for open air operation, one gets less of a blast of icy air everytime they open in winter.
At the time the 83 Stock were withdrawn, the 1938 stock (BR Class 483) had only been on the Island for 10 years, and were only 60 years old at that point. Plenty of life left :)
They used to cut up defunct London tube trains in the scrapyards that surrounded Rotherham United's old Millmoor ground,bringing an influx of trainspotters to go with the football crowds. There could have been some 1983s that met their final demise there.
@@kruador Ironic that the 1938 stock have now finally been replaced by ... the Vivarail rebuilds of the 1978 D stock, with single leaf doors, the subsurface equivalent of the 1983 stock. Still only 44 years old, spring chickens by IOW standards.
As a regular commuter on the Jubilee line I love the sound the motors make, I just wish the tunnels weren't filled with wailing hell hounds that break my ears
@@JP_TaVeryMuch The technology does exist to counter this: People in Munich objected to the trams screeching around the curves and now they don't, so where there's a will there's a way. Probably the DfT thinks it's too dear.
apropos of nothing, I recorded our local DLR (no not that kind) the LRT (Light Rail Transport). the train wheel shriek was bad, it was combined with a sort of lurching motion. The following day, coincidentally, wheels on some of the carriages were examined and found to be cracked. Yes, this is the middle of a sad and sorry tale, which has not reached its conclusion. food for thought
I’m a big fan of the ‘72s. They have a nostalgic charm the other deep-level stock doesn’t. And of course there’s nothing to be nostalgic about with the subsurface S Stock; they’re modern and excellent, mind.
The 72 stock looks like there was thought given to styling. The 83 stock looks utilitarian in comparison, and the interior design matched the D78 stock, which was a 1970s fashion victim in my opinion...
Hi Jago / Tom, thanks for another great train video. In Melbourne (Aus) we have 3 x Hitachi trains on top of a pub. It’s a burger restaurant. It’s called Easey’s.
I’m from another European country and a few months ago, I had a 10 day trip to London to see some of the - to me - random and obscure stuff I’ve enjoyed you covering on this channel over the past year. Well were I surprised to stumble upon this spot!! Somehow my aimless RUclips research had not warned me of the Village Underground (but I almost knew the name of the Kingsland viaduct, go figure…). I went to a club night there later in the week and holy moly some talent playing there, right up my alley! Anyway, just oversharing a bit - Thank you Jago!!
"Are we sure about this stock?" "Well its a bit up in the air at the moment" While at Uni (in Colchester) and waiting for a train out of Liverpool street, I took the opportunity to have a look round Broad Street station. I wish I had had a camera at the time. It was clear the station was being run down and it seemed only two platforms were in use. (late 70s). It was pretty depressing. Clearly British Rail didnt have the money to do it up and in the 60s & 70s the 'knock it down and start again' brigade of developers were in the ascendancy. (Euston!) Fortunately for St Pancras and Liverpool street, the reuse and recycle philosophy had taken over but I was sad to see Broad street go.
I have two 'online comfort zones' that I use almost on a daily basis; long cab rides on Swiss trains (...for really chilling-out) and Jago Hazzard; whose informative, witty and humble style of reportage is akin to a well loved TV program of old... Dad's Army? For instance... Always a pleasure to watch and for someone born in Wimbledon, used the tubes often when growing-up until the age of 13 when the family upsticks and reclocated to the Preseli Hills of Dyfed in Wales; where a considerable amount of old railbed exploratory missions were undertaken by myself until I joined the RN at natal +16.5... Where I then used the tubes between 1975-81 when crossing 'Smoke' on various drafts, or excursions. The Tube system of London is an incredible, but mostly convoluted, piece-meal, hotpotch of a transit system. With quite remarkable history and its own - almost socilistiks - uniformity and dependability. Instantly recognisable over any other kind of MTS. It is about the only thing I could honestly say I feel proud of, as a Homecounties born, Englishman... Well... Maybe the great liners... And the once proud and ubiquitous national railway network.... And of course - '...Those So Few.'
Yes, Broad St station was unpopular at the end. Even the Paul McCartney film "Give my Regards to Broad Street", part shot there, flopped and seems to have disappeared completely nowadays. I quite liked it when doing some lunchtime walks (often to pubs) when working at Aldgate and took some photos of its run-down state including the doors to the lifts that hadn't operated for years.
Again you have taken the obscure and made it thoroughly interesting. It is a pity that the station was demolished. New York City lost its beautiful Pennsylvania Station years ago. The outcry was huge, and ultimately saved and restored Grand Central Terminal.
I knew the guy who did this. It was at the start of my career and he offered me and my friend mates rates for 2 desk spaces (he was going to turn them into offices. We declined as it looked like it would be sweltering in there in summer. He threw a good party though in the building below.. I did some 3d animation to advertise the trains. I think, I can't actually remember exactly what I did for him. Nice guy but out there. He had his fingers in a lot of pies.
I've often wondered how and why those carriages ended up up there. I assumed it wasn't that they took a wrong turn, crashed in an Italian Job style and were just left there forever. haha
@@charmedx3219 I miss read that as a Vimto video, thinking how did that get in there. I worked around Curtain Road (site apparently of the Curtain Theatre which I did not know), saw them sort of appear in the area (I tended to walk down Old Street so missed any specific arrival), and thought , oh, yeah, interesting but so what. For some reason , maybe its living in London , that most things leave me seriously unimpressed - except when I went to France and found the bridge at Rouen and the valleys in Normandy were just a bit bigger than what I was used to even in Wales or the 3rd Dartford Crossing.
The Village Underground website has some excellent photos of the journey from track to rooftop of those trains. Also one of the residents of the trains is "University of the Underground" who disappointingly do not offer any academic courses in the tube. In fact having looked at their website for a while I'm still not sure what they do, other than it's all very arty.
You know something? I was raised very close to the old Shoreditch station, just the other side of Bethnal Green Road, and it was a source of frustration that it only opened in the rush hours. Still, it was a short walk from home to both Brick Lane Beigel Bakes. I tell you something... in my youth the area was not fashionable at all. It wasn't exactly grim, it was just very working class and OK. I've not been "home" for some time now, so I haven't seen these trains, can you tell me which street you can view them from? And... can you still see the quote from the late Bob Crow among the rooftops, from the westbound bus stop in Bethnal Green Road near Brick Lane? It read: "If we all spit together we'll drown the bastards".
Where the Broadstreet line used to seperate from the currently operating Dalston Junction line, creating a triangle, there's a garden there called The Curve Garden, named after the track that used to curve through it.
The 1983 TS Trains were one of my all-time favourite Underground trains, I liked them even more when their bodies were still aluminium coloured, this was later changed to white through a natural process over time. A unusual aspect of the 1983 TS trains is that when travelling through tunnels and if the glazed ventilators of the emergency exit doors were lowered, one often got a whiff of what smelled like smoked barbecued and chargrilled meat, perhaps rodents being cooked on the electrified track as the trains went over them.
Excellent video, I have heard and wondered about these old tube trains, I think I’ll pay a visit, and get some shots of them, thanks for posting. Your channel is fantastic, so varied, and constantly high quality. I think you mentioned some time back, about Chalk Farm Station, and it being on an album cover (Madness Absolutely), I’m sure there are some others vaguely rail/tube related, be fantastic if you did a video on these. Keep up the wonderful work Jago 😊🤍
I loved the 83 Stock trains. They might have been unreliable, but they were (in my opinion) one of the best looking tube trains to ever run on the LU. Also they were way more comfortable than the 96 Stock trains to me. I'm glad those trains are now kind of a secret tourist attraction, but obviously i would have loved to see them in operation to this day. Why didn't they just put them on the W&C? On a line like that single doors wouldn't have been so much of a problem.
That reminds me - a few years ago I was at Abbey Dore in Herefordshire. Across the valley a couple of underground cars/carriages could clearly be seen on the hillside. I learned that this was a SAS training area. The woods had been an armament depot with a network of railway lines.
I do adore your films and commentary and always have a little frisson of excitement to try and second guess your tribute to your patrion supporters sat the end and to date I have never got it right! You are the tease to my anticipation.
Just seeing this viaduct makes me sad, because Broad Street was treated very badly by British Rail. Actually the ticket office of Broad Street was kept as a restaurant inside the Broadgate Center, but with plans to rebuild, it may be or have already been and gone. Until the Elizabeth Line was built, Broad Street was another way to get to Liverpool Street, from North West London. Looking at a Google Street view of Watford Junction recently, I noticed that the track bed and platform, that was used by Bakerloo line trains, until 1979, had simply been abandoned, perhaps the gap should have been filled in, as there were no tracks there, not unlike what was done to the Croxley Green platform at Watford High Street, so I suppose at least the viaduct had an afterlife.
I seem to recall that they were actually used as studio space, but apparently they got extremely cold in winter. Ngl would love to have one for a workshop.
I visited them in the summer some years back and they were very hot inside. I was offered a desk actually but instantly realised how tiny and impractical it would have been so turned it down. Still was pretty fun sitting in the drivers seat with a view looking out into space with no rails in front of me.
Great video Jago. You do love that distinctive D-Stock noise, don't you? So do I! 👏🏾 I too wish the Broad Street railway station had not been demolished. I never got the chance to travel to/from it.
I love the melodious 1996 stock. Anything with GTO thyristors really. If you're open to mainline stock, class 323 is quite pleasant. And the class 365 happy train.
Another very interesting video, thank you for uploading. The icing on the cake was at 6:25 where you pronounce, and use, 'beloved' correctly: An increasingly rare occurrence on You Tube.
@@Aengus42 I can think of too, depends if you put an accent on the E, often poetically used for additional rhyming opportunities. Unless you are past buying bread from the bakeries in Brick Lane then its Be Loaved. ( I suppose Brummies have a 4th way too )
Couple of comments, if my geography is right the new 'Lantern' entrance to the Elizabeth Line at Liv St is practically in front of the old Broad St station location and I'm sure I read somewhere that someone was converting some of those old carriages into housing units.
Great stuff, Mr H, with oodles of interesting facts. Well done, and thanks. PS: I understand that there's a vacancy for a Prime Minister. I think you'd be ideal. It's the 'oodles of interesting facts' that clinches it. Anyone else going to support this spiffing wheeze? Simon T
4:33 The closest thing in reality I'm aware of to this tongue-in-cheek design are some of Boston's 01800 Series Red Line cars. Called "Big Reds", these cars had no seats when first delivered and were used mostly during rush hour. Nowadays they have some seats but are mostly standing room only
Interesting; I wasn't aware of cars with no seats at all, though it makes sense. The nearest I'd seen before were pictures of cars for transporting workers within mines. They had no sides (or roof) and seats which faced out from the center.
So Jago, what actually causes that staggered upward slide in pitch on the 1996 stock as it pulls away? Few noises say 'shiny metropolis' quite so evocatively!
In Melbourne there are some suburban train carriages deposited on top of a building and they are used as a cafe. They are located in an area with such a controversial name that many people are offended by the mention of it, so I'll just say they are in the suburb between Abbotsford and Fitzroy.
Hmm, I saw a man a few days ago walking towards Shoreditch High Street station who was filming from chest height while walking. Now I wonder if that man was the elusive Jago Hazzard 🤔
You really know your audience, what with playing the clip of the '96 stock departing even though they were only tangentially related to the video at hand.
If you are fast there is the reservoir opposite Angel Station, and maybe the Canal Museum near Kings Cross (depends where you start from and are staying)
The Broad Street station building may have been saved if it closed a few years later. A lot of historic buildings were listed in the late 80's after it was demolished.
Abandoned Rails: a question of scope for your excellent channel. I'm currently working in Florida and very struck by the almost abandonment of their railroads. Henry Flagler opened the entire state thru railroads, all the way to Key West. The world awaits your excellent historical narratives. Try Deland Station for authenticity.
Another strange aerial sight thereabouts was the tree of shoes beside the little cottage-like Shoreditch station in the old Met days, before Shoreditch High Street replaced it. A special service ran on Sunday mornings for the rather disgusting market where small live animals were on sale.
So so sad. Broad St Station, the Bishopsgate Goods Yard and the original Shoreditch station. A crying shame. I was born in London Hospital and bred in Bethnal Green. I shan't be returning anytime soon. Except for maybe a beigal or two. Then run for the hills.
The roof of the Eastern block of the Broadgate development, on Bishopsgate north of the entrance to Liverpool Street mainline station, echoes the distinctive shape of the roof of Broad Street station. And Shoreditch High Street station is just south of the area once known as the Jago.
I remember the old Broad Street Station as being very imposing, certainly when compared to Liverpool Street from which I exited to pass it every morning. British Rail killed it by a 'thousand cuts', reducing it to two platforms and making passengers walk a mile along those platforms to board a train. I don't think British Rail were ever concerned about heritage (see the Euston Arch, etc.) and were more than happy to sell the site to the Broadgate developers with no strings attached. I then went to work in the new Broadgate offices in 1986, and I note with interest that it has already outlived its usefulness in a generation, so the old Broadgate Station probably could and should have had a future.
@A. Fox I am young compared to someone in their 70s who worked in the City, however I have always been fascinated by its history. From talking to colleagues much older than me, it seems everything changed after Natwest tower.
Hi Jago Hazzard, in 1969 our family moved to Australia but we used to live at Haggerston so on a couple of occasions my brother and I got on the train at Dalston Junction and went to Broad Street Station on the original line I am now 65 years old
Interesting video as always. May I make a suggestion that might make a good subject for you? The redevelopment of Chatham Dockyard. It's a bit out of London but strongly related and after the excellent videos you did on Docklands and Thamesmead it would make an interesting counterpoint. There's a lot of history to the Dockyard itself (The Victory was built there) and when it closed the redevelopment it was a massive project - the Napoleonic part was preserved and contains many interesting things to see and active businesses, but the large housing development on St Mary's Island was done completely differently to Thamesmead and seems to have been much more successful, although there were some quite interesting mistakes. I know it well and can give you some signposts if you'd be interested.
It certainly caught my eye the first time I drove past this curiosity whilst driving en route to Angel for a gig one summer’s evening. The carriages were decidedly less colourful at that point, what one might call a blank canvass (albeit a metal one), something I suspect changed quite rapidly in the new studio’s evolution! 😄 I didn’t realise they were pretty much a knock off of the D stock, though now pointed out of course there is an obvious resemblance. I must admit I remember on first encountering the then ‘new’ Jube Tube trains that I felt they looked a bit boxy and awkward, so this confirms it really. The new purpose built trains were so much better and one can understand why they decided to scrap the old ones, albeit it is always a shame when something has such a short working life 🤷🏻♂️ Cheers Jago, a great summary as ever 👍🍀🍻
Wondered how I managed to miss those when I lived in the area many years ago until you mentioned that they were sold after 1998 when I had left London the year before! Thanks for the vid - very interesting! I do remember using those train carriages on the tube when I was young
Thank you, Jago, for another, witty and insightful video on the curiosities of London, and the London Underground and rail network. I've often wondered what those two train carriages were doing there - now I know!
We have a similar thing here in Melbourne, Australia in trendy part of the city. However the train carriages are on top of a burger restaurant called Easey's and you can dine in them and get a good view of the city.
It's cool how the internet has shown me how much some people love something. It really inspires me to be better at my own hobbies! This channel is a joy to watch.
JAGO;history time-US style! There were several Broad Streets,in the railroad lore in the United States! I'll just give a precis of the notable ones,and the status,of same! 1) Broad Street-BRT/BMT subway station- still active! 2) Broad Street- CNJ station-Jersey City,abandoned!3)Broad Street- Philadelphia,PA,PRR,station- abandoned,and 4) Broad Street,Richmond,Virginia,RF&P,C&O,station- abandoned! Note please,hopefully my memory is good,and I didn't goof up,so anyone out there,who has better knowledge than mine,don't hesitate to chime in!! Thank you 😇,and Jago,excellent as always!! Thanks again 👍 ☺️ 😊 😘 🤗!
Thanks Mr J for this. I was following in the footsteps of jack the ripper just the other day (better clarify that, virtual on Google Earth) when these caught my eye. Mystery solved.
There used to be an old Brighton Belle Pullman car next to Finsbury Park station; it belonged to a storefitting company. I think it’s now being restored to use somewhere. Not in London, but a station once served by the London Passenger Transport Board, there’s an old New York Subway car at Quainton Road.
Thanks for including the sound of the 1996 stock - very distinctive and memorable. Much nicer than the similar trains on the Northern Line, they just go 'Eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee'
I recall catching a glimpse of those carriages in the air whilst driving through that area. If I remember correctly I was delivering a van to a client of the van hire company I was working for at the time, which was around 2008/09 time, so not long after they were installed.
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Besides the inclusion of historical maps and photos, stunning array of audio and video footage, excellent writing, editing, and voice recording, there is also the generally positive and wholesome community in the comments. Hurrah for Jago and their Hazzards!
I am now officially a Hazzard. Thanks, I think.
Hurrah!
Does the community of Hazzards include any Dukes?
@@rjjcms1 Only Daisy 😛😋😘
@@DJ_K666 Of course!
"Let's listen to some 1996 stock" he says randomly in the middle of the video - LOVE it :)
My wife and I married in 1971. She worked in the Inner London Education Authority (ILEA), and part of her job involved running the annual recruitment drive for newly qualified teachers to work in London schools. In those days these were largely young aspiring middle class gels who dreamt of living in the fashionable parts of west and south west london. Of course the vacancies were often in the less desirable parts of north and east London; hipsters etc. were at that time not even twinkles in their fathers’ eyes.
She became expert in explaining how the North London and other lines running into Broad Street allowed commutes between Kew and similar to the grim redoubts in which the vacancies for teachers needed filling.
Interestingly, when Broad Street was finally shut in June 1986, the Graham Curve from the North London line (about a kilometre east of Dalston) was rebuilt to the West Anglia Main Line allowing a few peak train services from Watford access to Liverpool Street instead of Broad Street, but journey time was a bit longer. That service ended in September 1992, with Primrose Hill station on the Watford route closing as well. The Graham Curve still exists, being used occasionally for stock movements, weedkilling trains and diversions.
I recall the early days with Jago, the beer and model railways, and am really pleased with how well the channel has done. I agree with another comment here that the channel always produces excellent videos and the people making the comments are supportive and courteous. Definitely one of the very best RUclips channels and long may it remain so.
We need a brief return the beer reviews, and maybe the model trains.....
You meet the nicest people on rail....although my repatriated daughter formerly and briefly in SE25 might vehemently disagree..: "This isnt NZ....you Don't Talk to people."....
You get a thumbs up for the traction motor noise. Music to my ears!
As a young trainee architect with the Historic Buildings Division of the GLC, I was sent to spend weeks surveying and drawing up Broad Street Station for their records. The joy of the Station was its unique (for this country) Beaux Art style. It was a great shame when it was replaced by the Broadgate development, which in turn has been redeveloped. By coincidence I was working for TfL as an architect and was involved in protecting the bus station on the same site during the redevelopment.
It says something about the 83 stock that it never even made it to the IOW. The OAP retirement home for old tube stock, if it's reliable. Narrow doors are a bonus for open air operation, one gets less of a blast of icy air everytime they open in winter.
I've read that the idea was considered but was rejected.
At the time the 83 Stock were withdrawn, the 1938 stock (BR Class 483) had only been on the Island for 10 years, and were only 60 years old at that point. Plenty of life left :)
They used to cut up defunct London tube trains in the scrapyards that surrounded Rotherham United's old Millmoor ground,bringing an influx of trainspotters to go with the football crowds. There could have been some 1983s that met their final demise there.
@@kruador Ironic that the 1938 stock have now finally been replaced by ... the Vivarail rebuilds of the 1978 D stock, with single leaf doors, the subsurface equivalent of the 1983 stock. Still only 44 years old, spring chickens by IOW standards.
As a regular commuter on the Jubilee line I love the sound the motors make, I just wish the tunnels weren't filled with wailing hell hounds that break my ears
Absolutely deafening in places.
It should be illegal and I think some drivers have protested as they've been most exposed
A German friend of mine described that as "Körperverletzung" (bodily harm).
@@JP_TaVeryMuch The technology does exist to counter this: People in Munich objected to the trams screeching around the curves and now they don't, so where there's a will there's a way. Probably the DfT thinks it's too dear.
apropos of nothing, I recorded our local DLR (no not that kind) the LRT (Light Rail Transport). the train wheel shriek was bad, it was combined with a sort of lurching motion. The following day, coincidentally, wheels on some of the carriages were examined and found to be cracked. Yes, this is the middle of a sad and sorry tale, which has not reached its conclusion. food for thought
The 1972 trains are burned into my memory, since those are the first I saw as a 6 year old in 1977. They honestly look better to me than the others.
The 1980 District line stock is now being refurbed to the isle of wight stock or battery powered stock from Bedford to.i.think Milton Keynes
@@michaelcampin1464 Bedford to Bletchley, I think - the Marston Vale line.
I’m a big fan of the ‘72s. They have a nostalgic charm the other deep-level stock doesn’t. And of course there’s nothing to be nostalgic about with the subsurface S Stock; they’re modern and excellent, mind.
The 72 stock looks like there was thought given to styling. The 83 stock looks utilitarian in comparison, and the interior design matched the D78 stock, which was a 1970s fashion victim in my opinion...
Hi Jago / Tom, thanks for another great train video. In Melbourne (Aus) we have 3 x Hitachi trains on top of a pub. It’s a burger restaurant. It’s called Easey’s.
I’m from another European country and a few months ago, I had a 10 day trip to London to see some of the - to me - random and obscure stuff I’ve enjoyed you covering on this channel over the past year. Well were I surprised to stumble upon this spot!! Somehow my aimless RUclips research had not warned me of the Village Underground (but I almost knew the name of the Kingsland viaduct, go figure…). I went to a club night there later in the week and holy moly some talent playing there, right up my alley! Anyway, just oversharing a bit - Thank you Jago!!
"Are we sure about this stock?" "Well its a bit up in the air at the moment"
While at Uni (in Colchester) and waiting for a train out of Liverpool street, I took the opportunity to have a look round Broad Street station. I wish I had had a camera at the time. It was clear the station was being run down and it seemed only two platforms were in use. (late 70s). It was pretty depressing. Clearly British Rail didnt have the money to do it up and in the 60s & 70s the 'knock it down and start again' brigade of developers were in the ascendancy. (Euston!) Fortunately for St Pancras and Liverpool street, the reuse and recycle philosophy had taken over but I was sad to see Broad street go.
Great video jago, love the sound of 96 stock, nothing compares apart from a jet engine start up 👌😀👍
I have two 'online comfort zones' that I use almost on a daily basis; long cab rides on Swiss trains (...for really chilling-out) and Jago Hazzard; whose informative, witty and humble style of reportage is akin to a well loved TV program of old... Dad's Army? For instance... Always a pleasure to watch and for someone born in Wimbledon, used the tubes often when growing-up until the age of 13 when the family upsticks and reclocated to the Preseli Hills of Dyfed in Wales; where a considerable amount of old railbed exploratory missions were undertaken by myself until I joined the RN at natal +16.5... Where I then used the tubes between 1975-81 when crossing 'Smoke' on various drafts, or excursions.
The Tube system of London is an incredible, but mostly convoluted, piece-meal, hotpotch of a transit system. With quite remarkable history and its own - almost socilistiks - uniformity and dependability. Instantly recognisable over any other kind of MTS. It is about the only thing I could honestly say I feel proud of, as a Homecounties born, Englishman... Well... Maybe the great liners... And the once proud and ubiquitous national railway network.... And of course - '...Those So Few.'
Yes, Broad St station was unpopular at the end. Even the Paul McCartney film "Give my Regards to Broad Street", part shot there, flopped and seems to have disappeared completely nowadays.
I quite liked it when doing some lunchtime walks (often to pubs) when working at Aldgate and took some photos of its run-down state including the doors to the lifts that hadn't operated for years.
Again you have taken the obscure and made it thoroughly interesting. It is a pity that the station was demolished. New York City lost its beautiful Pennsylvania Station years ago. The outcry was huge, and ultimately saved and restored Grand Central Terminal.
6:28 That's because it's not a case of addition but of multiplication. If you multiply two negatives you get a positive.
I knew the guy who did this. It was at the start of my career and he offered me and my friend mates rates for 2 desk spaces (he was going to turn them into offices. We declined as it looked like it would be sweltering in there in summer. He threw a good party though in the building below..
I did some 3d animation to advertise the trains. I think, I can't actually remember exactly what I did for him.
Nice guy but out there. He had his fingers in a lot of pies.
I've often wondered how and why those carriages ended up up there. I assumed it wasn't that they took a wrong turn, crashed in an Italian Job style and were just left there forever. haha
I think Geoff Marshall did something on them too
@@highpath4776 - Did He? The dirty boy!
There's a Vimeo video I saw a white ago that shows the move with a big truck and crane.
@@charmedx3219 I miss read that as a Vimto video, thinking how did that get in there. I worked around Curtain Road (site apparently of the Curtain Theatre which I did not know), saw them sort of appear in the area (I tended to walk down Old Street so missed any specific arrival), and thought , oh, yeah, interesting but so what. For some reason , maybe its living in London , that most things leave me seriously unimpressed - except when I went to France and found the bridge at Rouen and the valleys in Normandy were just a bit bigger than what I was used to even in Wales or the 3rd Dartford Crossing.
They were only supposed to blow the doors off.
The Village Underground website has some excellent photos of the journey from track to rooftop of those trains. Also one of the residents of the trains is "University of the Underground" who disappointingly do not offer any academic courses in the tube. In fact having looked at their website for a while I'm still not sure what they do, other than it's all very arty.
Excellent. The consistency of this channel is staggering.
You know something? I was raised very close to the old Shoreditch station, just the other side of Bethnal Green Road, and it was a source of frustration that it only opened in the rush hours. Still, it was a short walk from home to both Brick Lane Beigel Bakes. I tell you something... in my youth the area was not fashionable at all. It wasn't exactly grim, it was just very working class and OK. I've not been "home" for some time now, so I haven't seen these trains, can you tell me which street you can view them from?
And... can you still see the quote from the late Bob Crow among the rooftops, from the westbound bus stop in Bethnal Green Road near Brick Lane? It read: "If we all spit together we'll drown the bastards".
The trains can be seen from Great Eastern Street, near the junction with Holywell Lane
The Bob Crow quote is still there
Where the Broadstreet line used to seperate from the currently operating Dalston Junction line, creating a triangle, there's a garden there called The Curve Garden, named after the track that used to curve through it.
The 1983 TS Trains were one of my all-time favourite Underground trains, I liked them even more when their bodies were still aluminium coloured, this was later changed to white through a natural process over time. A unusual aspect of the 1983 TS trains is that when travelling through tunnels and if the glazed ventilators of the emergency exit doors were lowered, one often got a whiff of what smelled like smoked barbecued and chargrilled meat, perhaps rodents being cooked on the electrified track as the trains went over them.
@2:03, what was subsequently built on the site has also been torn down and rebuilt for seemingly no good reason.
Sunday has just improved.
Thanks Mr H
Excellent video, I have heard and wondered about these old tube trains, I think I’ll pay a visit, and get some shots of them, thanks for posting. Your channel is fantastic, so varied, and constantly high quality.
I think you mentioned some time back, about Chalk Farm Station, and it being on an album cover (Madness Absolutely), I’m sure there are some others vaguely rail/tube related, be fantastic if you did a video on these.
Keep up the wonderful work Jago 😊🤍
Every single video on this channel leaves me fascinated and with a huge smile thank you jago :)
I loved the 83 Stock trains. They might have been unreliable, but they were (in my opinion) one of the best looking tube trains to ever run on the LU. Also they were way more comfortable than the 96 Stock trains to me. I'm glad those trains are now kind of a secret tourist attraction, but obviously i would have loved to see them in operation to this day. Why didn't they just put them on the W&C? On a line like that single doors wouldn't have been so much of a problem.
That reminds me - a few years ago I was at Abbey Dore in Herefordshire. Across the valley a couple of underground cars/carriages could clearly be seen on the hillside. I learned that this was a SAS training area. The woods had been an armament depot with a network of railway lines.
Thank you so much for this video! I have driven past those two trains a few times and never got round to look up what they were all about.
I've actually been up there and inside one of those carriages. Nice little hidden secret
Not exactly hidden, stand out like a sore whatsit.
I do adore your films and commentary and always have a little frisson of excitement to try and second guess your tribute to your patrion supporters sat the end and to date I have never got it right! You are the tease to my anticipation.
Just seeing this viaduct makes me sad, because Broad Street was treated very badly by British Rail.
Actually the ticket office of Broad Street was kept as a restaurant inside the Broadgate Center, but with plans to rebuild, it may be or have already been and gone.
Until the Elizabeth Line was built, Broad Street was another way to get to Liverpool Street, from North West London.
Looking at a Google Street view of Watford Junction recently, I noticed that the track bed and platform, that was used by Bakerloo line trains, until 1979, had simply been abandoned, perhaps the gap should have been filled in, as there were no tracks there, not unlike what was done to the Croxley Green platform at Watford High Street, so I suppose at least the viaduct had an afterlife.
Thank-you for including the Jubilee train taking off. I did really appreciate it. I have no idea why that sound always brings a smile to my face.
I seem to recall that they were actually used as studio space, but apparently they got extremely cold in winter. Ngl would love to have one for a workshop.
I visited them in the summer some years back and they were very hot inside. I was offered a desk actually but instantly realised how tiny and impractical it would have been so turned it down. Still was pretty fun sitting in the drivers seat with a view looking out into space with no rails in front of me.
@@FredBloggsTheThird thanks for sharing. Sounds awesome. I can imagine them being abit pokey inside. Haha
Great video Jago. You do love that distinctive D-Stock noise, don't you? So do I! 👏🏾 I too wish the Broad Street railway station had not been demolished. I never got the chance to travel to/from it.
Was lucky enough to go inside the carriages one year during the London Open Doors thing... some lovely people worked there
I love the melodious 1996 stock. Anything with GTO thyristors really. If you're open to mainline stock, class 323 is quite pleasant. And the class 365 happy train.
Another very interesting video, thank you for uploading. The icing on the cake was at 6:25 where you pronounce, and use, 'beloved' correctly: An increasingly rare occurrence on You Tube.
How else would you say "beloved"?
... No! Surely not! Heathens!
@@Aengus42 I can think of too, depends if you put an accent on the E, often poetically used for additional rhyming opportunities. Unless you are past buying bread from the bakeries in Brick Lane then its Be Loaved. ( I suppose Brummies have a 4th way too )
I think it’s the American influence. They tend to say “Be-loved” rather than the correct “Belove-ed”.
@@AtheistOrphan Yup, I think the "ed" suffix must be an old English way of granting a quality to something. As in "Help the Aged"
@@Aengus42 - Agreed. Good example.
Couple of comments, if my geography is right the new 'Lantern' entrance to the Elizabeth Line at Liv St is practically in front of the old Broad St station location and I'm sure I read somewhere that someone was converting some of those old carriages into housing units.
Great stuff, Mr H, with oodles of interesting facts. Well done, and thanks. PS: I understand that there's a vacancy for a Prime Minister. I think you'd be ideal. It's the 'oodles of interesting facts' that clinches it. Anyone else going to support this spiffing wheeze? Simon T
4:33 The closest thing in reality I'm aware of to this tongue-in-cheek design are some of Boston's 01800 Series Red Line cars. Called "Big Reds", these cars had no seats when first delivered and were used mostly during rush hour. Nowadays they have some seats but are mostly standing room only
Interesting; I wasn't aware of cars with no seats at all, though it makes sense. The nearest I'd seen before were pictures of cars for transporting workers within mines. They had no sides (or roof) and seats which faced out from the center.
Those maps finally helped me make sense of how the Overground connected the old ELL and the Broad Street line. Great work
You did promise a video on those carriages a while back, glad to see it’s arrival! Thanks for another great video!
So Jago, what actually causes that staggered upward slide in pitch on the 1996 stock as it pulls away? Few noises say 'shiny metropolis' quite so evocatively!
Three-phase motors. Mainline class 323 units do something similar.
Look up videos of the Taurus locomotives in Austria; they're quite musical.
I’m always curious what the “you are my… to my…” quote will be and the always, at least, make me chuckle.
Great Video, really enjoyed that, your knowledge and narrating style makes good watching and listening.
As someone who left London a few years back I love your little '96 stock audio interlude. Unbelievably evocative
In Melbourne there are some suburban train carriages deposited on top of a building and they are used as a cafe. They are located in an area with such a controversial name that many people are offended by the mention of it, so I'll just say they are in the suburb between Abbotsford and Fitzroy.
Hmm, I saw a man a few days ago walking towards Shoreditch High Street station who was filming from chest height while walking. Now I wonder if that man was the elusive Jago Hazzard 🤔
You will never know.
You really know your audience, what with playing the clip of the '96 stock departing even though they were only tangentially related to the video at hand.
Always wondered about them. Now I know. Nice bit of pure underground sound in the middle.
Village underground! I've enjoyed a few gigs there, what a venue! Top work sir.
Staying in a hotel nearby next month and going to make a video on 10 things to see within 10 minutes walk of my hotel. This is one of them!!!
If you are fast there is the reservoir opposite Angel Station, and maybe the Canal Museum near Kings Cross (depends where you start from and are staying)
@@highpath4776 that Plan A in Shoreditch. I do have 10 planned but will look at these as well
The Broad Street station building may have been saved if it closed a few years later. A lot of historic buildings were listed in the late 80's after it was demolished.
Abandoned Rails: a question of scope for your excellent channel. I'm currently working in Florida and very struck by the almost abandonment of their railroads. Henry Flagler opened the entire state thru railroads, all the way to Key West. The world awaits your excellent historical narratives. Try Deland Station for authenticity.
Thank you Jago for making this wonderful episode today , Cheers from California !
Ah how I miss seeing those tube chariots, on my way to Chariots.
Love the sound of the 1996 stock. Nothing quite like it!
Jago what a channel been subbed for a long time now always enjoy your videos buddy well in!
Another strange aerial sight thereabouts was the tree of shoes beside the little cottage-like Shoreditch station in the old Met days, before Shoreditch High Street replaced it.
A special service ran on Sunday mornings for the rather disgusting market where small live animals were on sale.
So so sad. Broad St Station, the Bishopsgate Goods Yard and the original Shoreditch station. A crying shame. I was born in London Hospital and bred in Bethnal Green. I shan't be returning anytime soon. Except for maybe a beigal or two. Then run for the hills.
The roof of the Eastern block of the Broadgate development, on Bishopsgate north of the entrance to Liverpool Street mainline station, echoes the distinctive shape of the roof of Broad Street station.
And Shoreditch High Street station is just south of the area once known as the Jago.
I remember the old Broad Street Station as being very imposing, certainly when compared to Liverpool Street from which I exited to pass it every morning.
British Rail killed it by a 'thousand cuts', reducing it to two platforms and making passengers walk a mile along those platforms to board a train.
I don't think British Rail were ever concerned about heritage (see the Euston Arch, etc.) and were more than happy to sell the site to the Broadgate developers with no strings attached.
I then went to work in the new Broadgate offices in 1986, and I note with interest that it has already outlived its usefulness in a generation, so the old Broadgate Station probably could and should have had a future.
@A. Fox I am young compared to someone in their 70s who worked in the City, however I have always been fascinated by its history.
From talking to colleagues much older than me, it seems everything changed after Natwest tower.
I must've looked up at these hundreds of times over the years.
Hi Jago Hazzard, in 1969 our family moved to Australia but we used to live at Haggerston so on a couple of occasions my brother and I got on the train at Dalston Junction and went to Broad Street Station on the original line
I am now 65 years old
Thank you for including the 96 stock noises
Great stuff!
I did a gig under those with Julian Cope, at The Village underground in 2015…it was an awesome place.
Gratuitous Jubilee Line noises, is always a good thing !
As per usual what a great tale you told :)
Love the adore and endure reference - brilliant Jago…
Had to refresh this 6 times to get past the nonsense adverts - Thank you again Jago, this is stellar
I love that old rolling stock! Thanks Jago🤩🤩
Interesting video as always. May I make a suggestion that might make a good subject for you? The redevelopment of Chatham Dockyard. It's a bit out of London but strongly related and after the excellent videos you did on Docklands and Thamesmead it would make an interesting counterpoint. There's a lot of history to the Dockyard itself (The Victory was built there) and when it closed the redevelopment it was a massive project - the Napoleonic part was preserved and contains many interesting things to see and active businesses, but the large housing development on St Mary's Island was done completely differently to Thamesmead and seems to have been much more successful, although there were some quite interesting mistakes. I know it well and can give you some signposts if you'd be interested.
Always wondered the story behind those train cars
Thank you again for more of ‘96 audio goodness
I use to go to college in Shoreditch in 1993 when Shoreditch was swanky without the S. I'm sure that there were two carriage on the viaduct back then.
I did love it. No endurance required! thanks Jago!
you've just solved the mystery of the memory i have of travelling on a tube train with single doors.
I like that the arrival of the Overground made Village Underground put a couple of Underground carriages high over ground.
Who doesn’t love the melodious tunes of the 96 stock?
Another excellent and informative video :)
It certainly caught my eye the first time I drove past this curiosity whilst driving en route to Angel for a gig one summer’s evening. The carriages were decidedly less colourful at that point, what one might call a blank canvass (albeit a metal one), something I suspect changed quite rapidly in the new studio’s evolution! 😄
I didn’t realise they were pretty much a knock off of the D stock, though now pointed out of course there is an obvious resemblance. I must admit I remember on first encountering the then ‘new’ Jube Tube trains that I felt they looked a bit boxy and awkward, so this confirms it really. The new purpose built trains were so much better and one can understand why they decided to scrap the old ones, albeit it is always a shame when something has such a short working life 🤷🏻♂️
Cheers Jago, a great summary as ever 👍🍀🍻
Wondered how I managed to miss those when I lived in the area many years ago until you mentioned that they were sold after 1998 when I had left London the year before! Thanks for the vid - very interesting! I do remember using those train carriages on the tube when I was young
Broad Street Station. Now that’s a blast from the past. 👍😀
Thank you, Jago, for another, witty and insightful video on the curiosities of London, and the London Underground and rail network. I've often wondered what those two train carriages were doing there - now I know!
We have a similar thing here in Melbourne, Australia in trendy part of the city. However the train carriages are on top of a burger restaurant called Easey's and you can dine in them and get a good view of the city.
It's cool how the internet has shown me how much some people love something. It really inspires me to be better at my own hobbies! This channel is a joy to watch.
People used to walk their dogs on some of that elevated unused track at the southern end of kingsland road
JAGO;history time-US style! There were several Broad Streets,in the railroad lore in the United States! I'll just give a precis of the notable ones,and the status,of same! 1) Broad Street-BRT/BMT subway station- still active! 2) Broad Street- CNJ station-Jersey City,abandoned!3)Broad Street- Philadelphia,PA,PRR,station- abandoned,and 4) Broad Street,Richmond,Virginia,RF&P,C&O,station- abandoned! Note please,hopefully my memory is good,and I didn't goof up,so anyone out there,who has better knowledge than mine,don't hesitate to chime in!! Thank you 😇,and Jago,excellent as always!! Thanks again 👍 ☺️ 😊 😘 🤗!
Newark Broad Street on NJ Transit an now also served by an extension to the Newark Light Rail.
Thanks Mr J for this. I was following in the footsteps of jack the ripper just the other day (better clarify that, virtual on Google Earth) when these caught my eye. Mystery solved.
4:59 ahhhhhhh, the Star-Ship 'Enterprise' starting it's motor up!
And now I feel compelled to tell you how much I adore your humour. No need to endure it, you are a wise and funny man.
Now that has got me thinking about if there are any other out of place tube or train carriages in London
Sort of , there is something of the wrong type in a yard out east cannot remember which station yard it is.
There used to be an old Brighton Belle Pullman car next to Finsbury Park station; it belonged to a storefitting company. I think it’s now being restored to use somewhere.
Not in London, but a station once served by the London Passenger Transport Board, there’s an old New York Subway car at Quainton Road.
Thanks for including the sound of the 1996 stock - very distinctive and memorable. Much nicer than the similar trains on the Northern Line, they just go 'Eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee'
I recall catching a glimpse of those carriages in the air whilst driving through that area. If I remember correctly I was delivering a van to a client of the van hire company I was working for at the time, which was around 2008/09 time, so not long after they were installed.
I am also a hip thing, bit more hip-op than hip-hop, but still... Lovely video as always Mr Hazzard, bravo etc.
Great Video Jago… More on the 1983 stock is on Village U‘s RUclips. They Interview Musicians in the Drivers cab.
Only London (and New York) seems to LOVE their old subway trains. 😆
I like your videos jago